Berlin is ready to supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with obsolete Leopard 1 tanks for which there is no ammunition

The government of the Federal Republic is looking for shells for armored vehicles, which is going to be delivered to Ukraine. The problem with those intended for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is especially acute. tanks Leopard 1.

This is reported by the German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung, citing sources in the federal government.

Berlin is ready to supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with 1 obsolete Leopard 88 tanks, for which there is no ammunition. This was the idea of ​​​​the leadership of the German company Rheinmetall, which intends to repair and send these old combat vehicles to Ukraine. And the German government approves this decision.

But there is an obstacle preventing the implementation of this plan.

This causes some problems as the Leopard 1s are no longer in production and their projectiles are of a different caliber than the newer Leopard 2s.

- the interlocutor of German journalists explains the essence of the problem.

The German-made Gepard self-propelled air defense systems intended for delivery to Ukraine, which Berlin intends to buy from Qatar, also have a problem with ammunition. Their ammunition is produced in Switzerland, which prohibits the re-export of its military products to Ukraine.

Earlier, the German government announced its intention to supply Kyiv with 14 Leopard 2 tanks. The delivery package, in addition to the combat vehicles themselves, includes ammunition, maintenance and training of Ukrainian military personnel by Bundeswehr specialists. In addition, Berlin will allow such equipment to be sent to Ukraine to other countries that previously purchased it from a German manufacturer.

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[white fall]

And here is the rival of our 62 - damn it, that means they are not doing so well either

[fuffi]

Quote from Whitefall

And here is the rival of our 62 - damn it, that means they are not doing so well either

yes everything is fine there. it’s just that the Americans decided, as always, to throw their allies. the foshizds said that they would supply tanks if there were abrams. the Americans announced and these fit in and even started cooking, and then the Americans said that the abrams would be delivered in 9 months, read later, someday. in the meantime, you drive your tanks. here foshizdy and got junk out of the closet. fucked Europeans as always

[credo]

Draining through the press of various "problems" for one or another sponsoring country of the Nazi Kyiv regime may have several reasons:
- disinformation, designed for the population of the sponsoring countries or Russia,
- the sponsors did not agree on who will be the first to start supplying tanks and other high-tech "goods" to Ukraine and who will pay for these "gifts",
- the Yankees slowed down and are negotiating with Russia.

[Orange Bigg]

They saw this as a Nazi sign.

. “Still, the Germans are handing over 88 tanks to Ukraine! And the British - 14. So the Nazi symbol 14/88 is reproduced. Coincidence? Don't think!" Kornilov wrote.
This combination of numbers was used by white nationalists as a code slogan, as well as a greeting or signature. Each number had its own reference and meaning. Now, in order to avoid ambiguity, authorities are trying to exclude such a sequence. In Russia, the numerical combination is included in the Federal List of Extremist Materials.

https://politexpert.net/23877886-_sovpadenie_politolog_kornilov_nashel_natsistskii_znak_v_peredache_ukraine_tankov

[dmi.pris1]

Desa of pure water. Look, and Switzerland is reconsidering its attitude to what is happening. From there, shells will be found for Oerlikon on Cheetah. As for these first Leopards, not in Switzerland, so they will get them somewhere

[hrych]

Quote from Whitefall

our 62

Don't fall for fakes. The Ministry of Defense did not even have them in storage, where there were 13 thousand tanks. There is also the Rosrezerv, there can be anything. Now we have at least four thousand combat-ready tanks. If there were 62, then nonsense with a caliber, there is a 115 mm gun. What is it, to supply personal shells when everyone else has 125 mm. Trophy at LDNR is doubtful.

[Alf]

Quote: hrych

The Ministry of Defense did not even have them in storage,

Actually, a couple of years ago they showed big exercises in which the T-62 was removed from conservation ...

[DenD]

Not understood. There are tanks on conservation, but there are no shells for them. Wonderful are thy works, Lord. And these are practical Germans?

[spirit]

They are mothballed by Rheinmetal (a private company) and not by the armed forces, so there are no shells. Apparently they were left for sale for spare parts to countries where they still exist, like Spain. Here they probably have shells

[Vyacheslav57]

Quote from dend

Your deeds are wonderful.

[mmaxx]

Bullshit 100%. The English 105 mm gun was the main one for a long time. Even on the first Abrams stood. Where did they put the shells for her? And enough of these guns are still in operation.
The nemchura is smeared.

[lexseyOGK]

The author gave birth to a hedgehog. Do you seriously think that there is no ammunition for 105 L7 guns in the world? Go to Israel at least

[tralflot1832]

Indeed, wherever this gun was not put, there should be mountains of shells. Even the Indians and Chinese had this gun in tanks.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: lexseyOGK

The author gave birth to a hedgehog. Do you seriously think that there is no ammunition for 105 L7 guns in the world? Go to Israel at least

Where do we get them from? 105 mm for 15 years already, even the reservists have run out.
If, which was in the warehouses, they sold out a long time ago.

[Arigin]

This is correct. What are they, salt, or what?

[Dart2027]

Quote: lexseyOGK

there is no ammunition for 105 L7 guns in the world

In the world and in Germany - this is not the same thing. The same Israel is not eager to arm Ukraine.

[Grandfather Mozai]

And here are the German pork ovens approved

[cold wind]

There are no shells on the L7? Do not make me laugh. This is the most massive NATO gun, if not in the world, which is produced and installed on various self-propelled guns so far. The production of shells goes from Israel to China, not to mention the surviving warehouses from the Cold War.

[tihonmarine]

Quote from cold wind

There are no shells on the L7? Do not make me laugh. This is the most massive NATO gun, if not in the world.

If you search well, you can find it, but as I understand it, Germany reserves this right for an independent - "You need, you are looking for shells."

Federal Republic of Germany L7A3
Cannon modification in West Germany, designed for the Leopard 1 tank.

Sweden L74
The Swedish version was created for installation in Strv 103 tanks. It was produced by Bofors and had a barrel length of 62 calibers (6,51 m).

United States of America M68
Created in the USA for the M60 MBT. Also used on the M1 Abrams until it was replaced by the M256.

Turkey M68T
Turkish variant of the M68 to rearm the M48 tanks.

United States of America M68A1E4
US variant of the M68, designed for use on the M1128 MGS Stryker fire support vehicle.

Republic of Korea KM68A1
Korean version of the M68 gun. Used on M48A5K and K1.

China/Austria Type 79/81/83
Chinese copy of L7 sent to Austria.

Argentina FM K.4 Modelo 1L.

[vikie1778]

the frontal armor of Leopard 1 is only 70 mm thick and is made of simple steel, even WWII Panzerfausts will penetrate from all sides, let alone RPGs, sending museum exhibits to the front is a clear sigh of despair!

[2 Level Advisor]

and if the angle of inclination is 60 degrees to calculate? and you know that the t-72 has 70-85mm in places? The PF is relatively good and now it could be in theory, up to 200mm armor penetration .. but the range of application, reliability and accuracy with the RPG-7 are absolutely incomparable ... in addition, there was no DZ then

[Woroshilow]

Is rolled homogeneous armor steel simple in your opinion?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote from Woroshilow

Is rolled homogeneous armor steel simple in your opinion?

Are you talking about Leopard or T-72? Tank body - welded from rolled armor plates, the upper frontal sheet had a slope of 60 °. The maximum thickness of the armor in the frontal part of the hull is 70 mm .. leo-1 is also not a whipping boy, as some people try to imagine it .. but nothing like modern of course ..

[tihonmarine]

Berlin is ready to supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with 1 obsolete Leopard 88 tanks, for which there is no ammunition.

Or maybe there are no engines on these Leaperds.
You can't refuse the ingenuity of the Germans - "We supply you with tanks, but the shells are your problems." Cheshi turnip Zelya.

[rotmistr60]

Berlin is ready to supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with 1 obsolete Leopard 88 tanks, for which there is no ammunition.

This is some kind of European sur. Or are they trolling Ukraine for "liver sausage"? Or there is no desire to scrape through the barrels of different countries.

[Dart2027]

Quote: rotmistr60

Or there is no desire to scrape through the barrels of different countries.

Of course not. Why is it for the Germans? They don't want to supply tanks either.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

My friends, here you are laughing at the Germans and trolling the forelocks, but in fact this tank can do such troubles that it won’t seem enough. And so - we throw out the cannon nafig (we free up space for half the tower). We change the muzzle armor plate for a hemisphere and put a pair of two 12,7 machine guns. We put blocks of 6 anti-tank grenade launchers on the sides of the tower - and here you have a fucking disposable breakthrough machine. And to find a kamikaze in it with the help of military chemistry is not a problem at all. So I'm sorry, but it's not funny...

[withoutreverse]

Well, right! Let them imitate shots for now. NATO was promised tanks, but not shells for them !!

[Woroshilow]

In general, the news is not funny. In Europe and Canada, there are hundreds if not thousands of Leopard 1s in storage, if the Germans have the opportunity to upgrade them to version 1A5, there are DM 23/33 BOPS in warehouses, they also have buckshot and HE shells, then they can cause problems. again, the Yankees can throw their M60

[hostel]

To what extent do you need to degrade in order to look for ammunition from the British L7? This is one of the NATO tank guns

[Romanenko]

Come on, a 90 mm caliber gun, wandered around NATO for many years, they won’t find it in Germany, they’ll send it from England or Pin-do-stan, Israel will secretly plant it.
There are these shells.
The second question is how relevant they are today against modern tanks?

[Alf]

Quote: Romanenko

gun caliber 90 mm,

And from what moment did the L7 gun begin to have a caliber of 90 mm? Was it 105 mm from birth or did it dry out in warehouses?