NATO official said about the complexity of the logistics of supplying tanks to Ukraine

Graphic author: Ekaterina Chernova

The Western edition of the Financial Times came out with an article that talks about the imminent start of training for Ukrainian tank crews to control German-made Leopard 2 tanks. According to the sources of this magazine, Ukrainian military personnel will begin training from next week. The publication does not name the country in which such training will be held, but with a high degree of probability we can say that this is Poland. Previously, it was Polish officials who announced "the imminent start of training for Ukrainian tankers."

The publication, citing an unnamed source, writes that NATO tankers who have “skills in operating Leopard 2 combat vehicles” are involved in the training.

And the same publication, again referring to an unnamed official in the structures of the North Atlantic Alliance, writes that the biggest problem for NATO is not even the training of Ukrainian crews, but the delivery of a large batch of heavy armored vehicles to Ukraine.

The official says literally the following:

If we want to deliver them on time, at least by April, imagine how many trains will be needed to do this. This is problem. Difficulties of logistics. And now I'm talking only about tanks. And this is also spare parts, ammunition. Time is extremely limited.

Recall that so far Britain and Germany are ready to send their tanks to Ukraine, not counting those who will ensure the re-export of German Leopards (Poland, for example). The United States, led by President Biden, announcing their readiness to put their "Abrams" while they washed their hands. Information comes from American sources that if they deliver the M1 Abrams, then not earlier than the end of 2023.

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[1razvgod]

. need for trains

the key phrase, apparently a lot will be needed, and since a lot is a prominent target ...

[Luka Nord]

Quote from: 1razvgod

. need for trains

the key phrase, apparently a lot will be needed, and since a lot is a prominent target ...

The key phrase, or maybe it’s not worth delivering and waiting .. The money is paid, and Ukraine can fall apart at any moment and in general there doesn’t seem to be such a country, so a colony of Anglo-Saxons and Jews ..
And the Russians are very angry and are celebrating the Battle of Stalingrad, how many Germans and Romanians froze and destroyed there .. Suddenly they want to repeat?

Russia is a kind soul, but it also knows how to take revenge if it feels injustice

[Orange Bigg]

Instructions for the destruction of the German tank "Leopard 2". See the link below for more detailed pictures.

For tankers and anti-tankers - German cat reservation schemes. The upper number is the equivalent of armor from kinetic projectiles, the lower one is from HEAT warheads.

. On the forehead: the body, preferably in the NLD: the driver sits on the right side, on the left is the compartment with the main ammo. Tanks in practice may not fill this compartment with shells - hit the center.

Turret - around the mask with a tandem warhead.

Do not aim at the cheeks, there is a composite of 1200 mm equivalent.

On the sides: the front of the hull under the forehead of the turret, under the shoulder strap of the turret, in the hull under the stern of the turret - the driver / crew, crew, engine are affected.

.Tower - under the hatches of the crew, in the aft compartment - there is a BC.

Attention! The tank is equipped with knock-out panels of the BC compartment - a hit does not guarantee the destruction of the crew and complete incapacitation.

ATGM "Metis-M" and "Kornet" make their way into the forehead, into the side - by any cumulative warheads (for RPG-7, use PG-7VS shots and better).

https://newsfrol.ru/24/10752/

Model Leopard 2A4, although the Germans promised Ukraine more advanced Leopard 2A6. However, their difference is in the best combat striking power of the last of these modifications. In terms of protection, they are almost identical. Therefore, we will not focus on this. Moreover, other European countries are likely to transfer Leopard 2A4 to Ukraine.

[topol717]

Quote from: 1razvgod

the key phrase, apparently a lot will be needed, and since a lot is a prominent target ...

You listen to them more. Inflated out of a molehill.
who is stopping them from sending tanks now, and crews and so on in March ???

[28st region]

Exactly. Thousands of vehicles, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles were sent, several hundred Soviet-style tanks were handed over, hundreds of artillery pieces, both barreled and self-propelled, ammunition was coming in echelons and suddenly there was a problem with the transfer of tanks, logistics did not allow. They just do not want to transfer, they are looking for ways to delay the transfer of tanks. So that's great. Good luck guys in finding logistical problems.

[your1970]

In general, the situation is strange to the point of madness ... transferring the unfortunate 100 tanks is a logistical problem .... God bless him today ..
How were they going to fight with the USSR ???

[Orange Bigg]

They are forced to send tanks, but they don’t want to, so they are playing for time. They themselves don’t have anything, but here the arrogant Zelensky wants to leave them without pants.

[Sith]

Here is the question of logistics nodes ... they will try to smear them as much as possible and bring tanks from different sides into 404th
They will be transferred at night by trailers across the border ... under cover of night
It needs eyes and ears among the locals to know where they bunch them
We cannot strike at neighboring states ... we can, but so far they are not in a hurry ... because this will brew another deadly mess on the whole

[Andron78]

Enlightenment has come. Add to the logistical complexities the cost of all this logistics and maintenance. It’s easier to make gold tanks on the spot or just throw gold bars. Well, this is their business ... and ours is to provide a warm welcome to all this and quick disposal along with the crews.

[Sith]

Quote: Andron78

Enlightenment has come. Add to the logistical complexities the cost of all this logistics and maintenance. It’s easier to make gold tanks on the spot or just throw gold bars. Well, this is their business ... and ours is to provide a warm welcome to all this and quick disposal along with the crews.

And this is the most interesting ... because logistics + maintenance + fuel + personnel for that + spare parts + some kind of mobile repair stations ... it's all awesome money ... why Western partners weren't in a hurry and now herds of tanks are not running at a gallop don't drive
Not to mention that this is not Soviet equipment and dill must be retrained at different levels, from management to even easy troubleshooting, not counting complex repairs ... due to which the equipment will have to be exported to a neighboring state

[Krivobokoff]

Why would logistics cost so much? They’ve been driving kaklam equipment all this time without stopping and no one has gone bankrupt.

[Guran33 Sergey]

The wheeled one came under its own power, equipment and non-self-propelled art in the cars among the passenger ones, and these need to be carried on the platform, you can’t attach it to a passenger, only an idiot will agree to ride in such a train

[ivan1979nkl]

it is Europe that should supply tanks to the Ukrainians, because they defend European democracy and other values, and the United States defends its own democracy

[Third district]

If we want to deliver them on time, at least by April, imagine how many trains will be needed to do this. This is problem. Difficulties of logistics.

And the fact that Russia can defeat these echelons or not let them pass at all by destroying bridges and railway infrastructure at the stations, no one even mentions. They are not afraid, they do not want to believe in it. There are some guarantees. And
our powers that be, long and stubbornly silent about this. They would say that we cannot do this, because, here ... It might be easier for the people.

[agoran]

And why smash the echelons?
The Sumerians themselves deliver to the targeted positions.
Today the video really gouged a column of Sumerians.

[Third district]

Quote: agoran

And why smash the echelons?
The Sumerians themselves deliver to the targeted positions.

Well, of course, there are only worthless fools, drug addicts and drunkards. They themselves will exhibit these tanks as in a shooting range. Tell me this in Donetsk, they probably don’t think so, according to which the Bandera people are hammering out of everything that is. And they have not been able to drive them away for a year now. Although at the beginning of the NWO there were no Hymers, no other modern NATO weapons. It's time to end with hat-taking for a long time. It did not bring anything good, only troubles from him.

[topol717]

Quote: Third District

And the fact that Russia can defeat these trains or not let them pass at all

Tell us not far from the army, how to do it without resorting to nuclear weapons?

[Third district]

Quote from: topol717

Tell us not far from the army, how to do it without resorting to nuclear weapons?

And when should one resort to nuclear weapons, when will there be such tanks near Moscow? The war is on the territory of Russia. I remind you that Donetsk, Lugansk and Zaporozhye regions are part of the Russian Federation. And you need to defend your citizens and territories by any means.

[Sasha1979]

"NATO official said about the complexity of the logistics of supplying tanks to Ukraine." I can console the official. In Poland, logistics will be easier. But not for long.

[75 Sergey]

They will deliver it, don’t go to the grandmother, and it would be fine on your own, otherwise you can say by mail, without a run across Ukraine.

[agoran]

But what Ukrainian crews?
There was infa with billboards in the Warsaw metro about the call of tankers to Ukraine.
"Solid" gouged along with the crew, prepare new ones.

[Dimachrus]

Some of these deliveries remind me of the 14th year
It was - "remove the president, we will take it to the European Union and NATO"
Now it’s simpler - “fight more actively, kill and die more, and we will give you tanks and stuff”

[spirit]

This is problem. Difficulties of logistics. And now I'm talking only about tanks. And this is also spare parts, ammunition

What nonsense! He generally hears what he is talking about. Ukraine is not far from Germany. And where will there be no problems? Only if you fight on a leopard next to the manufacturer's plant? During the wars in Iraq, the Americans threw thousands of tanks across half the planet in a short time and norms. In Europe, I look at everything like ours) Retired tankers talk about aviation, and Pilots about tanks, officials who do not understand anything, talk about everything and straightaway
These officials hang noodles. Or just self-promotion like ours

[agoran]

You try to go by car from Kyiv to Berlin.
This is where your nonsense will end. Well, if you have money, pay 2 euros per liter 95.

[your1970]

Quote: agoran

You try to go by car from Kyiv to Berlin.
This is where your nonsense will end. Well, if you have money, pay 2 euros per liter 95.

Actually, when the tanks drove off, it was already a little late to count the money ....

[Dart2027]

Quote: spirit

During the wars in Iraq, the Americans threw thousands of tanks across the floor of the planet in a short time and norms.

So it is on ships.

[Fangaro]

If we want to deliver them on time, at least by April, imagine how many trains will be needed to do this. This is problem. Difficulties of logistics. And now I'm talking only about tanks. And this is also spare parts, ammunition. Time is extremely limited.

From an amateur...
Railway composition - platforms 40 ?
Many compositions - is 20? thirty? 30?
If 20 trains with 40 platforms - 800 platforms. And it will reach the APU??? If this is 800 tanks, then why are we talking about red lines here, that we need to drive out internal enemies?
Or a lot of railway trains - is it more than two?

[Su-25]

Karl 12: "Russia is a dwarf. I will bring her to her knees." 1707
After the battle of Poltava, Sweden forever lost the status of a great power.

Friedrich 2: "I will conquer backward Russia." Mid 18th century.
In 1759 the Russians entered Berlin.

Napoleon: "Russia is a colossus with feet of clay. I will destroy it." 1812
In 1814 the Russians took Paris.

Hitler: "I will conquer the USSR by the end of the summer of 41." 1941
In 1945, Hitler committed suicide when the Red Army entered Berlin.

History repeats itself. They don't teach anything....

[tihonmarine]

Well, here's some interesting news from Vovan and Lexus.
Russian pranksters Vladimir Kuznetsov (Vovan) and Aleksey Stolyarov (Lexus) published on February 2 on the ViL Show channel. The conversation with him was conducted on behalf of the former President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.
Bolton announced his desire to run for President of the United States. To do this, he intends to use the Ukrainian agenda. He also ruled out a victory for incumbent US President Joe Biden or his predecessor, Donald Trump.

“This has its own difficulties, because people will talk about the internal problems of the country. But I think there is an opportunity to get people involved in the conversation about Russian aggression and related topics. So I hope that you will continue to come to the US and meet with some of the Republican presidential candidates, people who are being talked about as likely to run. My personal opinion: The Republican Party will not nominate Trump. If he runs, he will lose in November 2024. I think Biden won't run either. I guess it has to do with his age." Bolton concluded.

[75 Sergey]

They calm our vigilance - we will supply tanks, but it will be so hard for us, so hard!

[evgen1221]

Of all these revelations, only the passage about the extremely limited time is interesting to me. And what is it so suddenly? Here they themselves constantly say that there are still a lot of Papuans, they also supply a lot of weapons with everything else, they don’t pay the population almost like they don’t really feed them, all the loot goes into guns, it seems like they should defend well even before Lviv, and then suddenly they don't have time. It's not for nothing that I'm buzzing.

[yuriy1863]

Help the partisan. Mining and subversive business for partisans [Text] / Military Publishing House of the NPO of the USSR. - [Moscow]: 1942.

Urgently in the press and in the special forces.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: yuriy1863

Urgently in the press and in the special forces.

1942, you say?...
In the 80s, in the classroom, books with the same pictures were given with the signature stamp "DSP" and with the stamp "Do not take out of the room, hand over after class." We didn’t have copiers, as you know, and we didn’t have phones with cameras (). Abstracts were forbidden.
I think that everything has been printed for a long time and those who need it are studying it.

And in the children's regional library, such books hardly need to be kept.
Although...
It was we who made "explosives" from sulfur from matches, not to mention more sophisticated methods. Yes, such that "particularly talented", it happened, and fingers were torn off. I buried a school friend in the fifth grade - I experimented. Although we did not have such books.
And now they don't read anything. There will be such a textbook in the district library on the shelf, collecting dust - no one will notice. Better go, big money, given by parents for soda, bought for firecrackers.

[evgen1221]

To have partisans, you need the support of the locals. Without this, the partisans will quickly run out, you can’t sit in the forest endlessly without food and lighting the situation. And there is no support from the locals en masse, one or two per thousand of the population will not make the weather.

[Landwarrior]

Again, chatter. Previously, they had no problems with deliveries, how many Soviet tanks they brought.

[withoutreverse]

The NATO official does not finish speaking. all the most difficult ahead for them.

[ratoborets]

In Ukraine, about 80% of all cargo is now transported using electric traction.

News of 2019 from the Ukrainian site. Since then, that percentage has only grown.

Burshtynskaya, Ladyzhynska, Dobrotvorskaya - these three thermal power plants generate half of the electricity in Western Ukraine and must be destroyed. Not to hit the substations, but to completely disable these thermal power plants so that they cannot be repaired or the repairs take years.

The second half is given by the Khmelnytsky and Rivne nuclear power plants, the Dniester hydroelectric power station - to do maximum harm there by destroying substations in the district.

All Western Ukraine should be left without light from the word "absolutely". It is impossible to simply redirect electricity from the Center or the South, since there is limited bandwidth between regions. This will make it possible to "neutralize" 80% of cargo transportation by rail and concentrate efforts on diesel locomotives. Accordingly, there will be fewer targets to hit, there will be a higher probability of destroying them or stopping them before they reach the front.

[Vladimir80]

One question - how can you trust the words of enemies ??? All these statements "about complexity" for fools and ordinary people in front of TV. Everything will be delivered in just a few days. I assume all the tanks are already in Poland, waiting for orders.

[Alien From]

"As long as there is oil in Russia, there is me in Milan" is a song from the Comedy Club. Further, let the entire VO community think about where "" to drown, steer, remember, etc. "" tired of pouring from empty to empty!

[Alex242]

If we want to deliver them on time, at least by April, imagine how many trains will be needed to do this. This is problem. Difficulties of logistics. And now I'm talking only about tanks. And this is also spare parts, ammunition. Time is extremely limited.

while they are thinking about their logistics, ours will think about how to destroy the echelons more .....

[Alex242]

Quote from: ratoborets

In Ukraine, about 80% of all cargo is now transported using electric traction.

News of 2019 from the Ukrainian site. Since then, that percentage has only grown.

Burshtynskaya, Ladyzhynska, Dobrotvorskaya - these three thermal power plants generate half of the electricity in Western Ukraine and must be destroyed. Not to hit the substations, but to completely disable these thermal power plants so that they cannot be repaired or the repairs take years.

The second half is given by the Khmelnytsky and Rivne nuclear power plants, the Dniester hydroelectric power station - to do maximum harm there by destroying substations in the district.

All Western Ukraine should be left without light from the word "absolutely". It is impossible to simply redirect electricity from the Center or the South, since there is limited bandwidth between regions. This will make it possible to "neutralize" 80% of cargo transportation by rail and concentrate efforts on diesel locomotives. Accordingly, there will be fewer targets to hit, there will be a higher probability of destroying them or stopping them before they reach the front.

Well, firstly, they feel sorry for the hard workers, they hit the substations (as a version), and secondly, they already have more than half already on diesel traction .....

[Ivanushka Ivanov]

A bureaucrat is a bureaucrat. He sees problems everywhere. Simplicity.
This means that tanks are already being transported with might and main under the guise of soda from Poland.

[tolmachiev51]

The "image" of the "Abrams" is more precious than the life of the "saloeds" - Fashington understands perfectly well that this is not a "festival" in the Middle East - they need autobahns ....

[Bingo]

Ukraine met another "Maidan" of 2014 with 700 tanks in service and 1 at storage bases

And where are they now, and how will 100 tanks help where 2+ thousand have been burned?
For example, only officially and only Twardykh, Poland gave away 250 pieces - so they have already run out, in a couple of months ...

[flyer]

Ukraine becomes a suitcase without a handle. And this suitcase with an explosive device. If you throw it away, investigations will begin about the fin. assistance to the Kyiv regime + citizens will ask where the money went, and carry a suitcase ... it is not clear when it will explode.

[Sasha from Uralmash]

You should not believe them! They cast a shadow on the wattle fence ... They are already somewhere nearby ...

[Amateur]

The only logistical problem will arise if Russia does bomb the railway bridges and tunnels on the borders with Poland and Hungary.
But if it doesn’t bomb (due to humanitarians going to a meeting and other fictitious nonsense), then our fighters at the front will have problems.
No matter how they paint the pictures, this is a GERMAN tank and jokes with it are bad.