In China, presented the concept of a new generation of a fighter without a tail during the presentation of airborne radar

According to the Chinese edition of Global Times, China has presented the concept of a new generation of fighters.

The concept was presented by a Chinese state-owned corporation aviation Industry of China (AVIC). The presentation itself was aimed at demonstrating the development of Chinese airborne radars. A computer model of three unknown aircraft flying in formation was depicted, writes a Chinese edition.

According to a number of Chinese experts, the video is likely to show the concept of the next, sixth generation fighter, which reflects China's determination to get ahead of the United States in the development of new combat aircraft.

The presented aircraft vaguely resembled the Chinese J-20 fighter, but without a tail and with some other features.

Recall that something similar was already presented in November 2022 at the Airshow China 2022 in Zhuhai. Then AVIC demonstrated a concept model of a new generation fighter, which also had a tailless design.

According to Chinese military expert Fu Qianshao, the United States is also already developing such a fighter with might and main, but China has every chance to get ahead of the United States.

Comments

[voyaka uh]

Tailless is super-stealth.
The tail unit can be hidden in the centimeter-decimeter range, but meter-long radars cut it.
The Chinese are on the right track.
The Americans also have a tailless concept of the 6th generation.
Rather, the keels are folded on the wings during a cruising flight, and rise only during air combat.

[Andrey Moskvin]

As I understand it, without a tail, there is no maneuverability, even with UVT. This is the first time I hear about folding keels.

[cold wind]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

As I understand it, without a tail, there is no maneuverability, even with UVT. This is the first time I hear about folding keels.

The United States shone the concept of such an option "6th generation" (they themselves do not call it that). To remove the keels while having the maneuverability of the "4th generation" will give a qualitative superiority over the "5th generation".

[ivan1979nkl]

Tailless is super stealth

one step left to the flying saucer

[lucul]

The tail unit can be hidden in the centimeter-decimeter range, but meter-long radars cut it.
The Chinese are on the right track.

Without a tail, this is a flying iron, not an airplane, that is, low maneuverability - there is essentially no yaw. You can compensate with all-angle OBT, but only Russians can do this.

[spirit]

this is a flying iron, not an airplane, that is, low maneuverability - there is essentially no yaw.

For some reason, maneuverability does not really help the su35 to get away from the old missiles from 300 in Ukraine. Probably the Chinese and Americans, planning 6 generations, know something)

[And Us Rat]

Quote: lucul

all-angle OBT, but only Russians can do this.

[silberwolf88]

From thought and concept it is very, very far from implementation ... let's see what will happen and how ... and the most interesting thing is what the 6th generation is ... what is the main feature of an AI-controlled drone capable of network-centric use (this is in addition to various other stealth ... 360 view in all planes ... possibly quantum radars, etc.)

[lucul]

and the most interesting - what is the 6th generation

In fact, now the second generation of aircraft, the first propeller, the second - jet, everything else is from the evil one))))

[Sergey Valov]

Tu-95 and Il-18 jet aircraft. As for generations, all this is from the evil one.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Sergey Valov

As for generations, all this is from the evil one.

Not quite so, in fact, initially versioning was useful, but later PR managers came and ripped off all the benefits. In a nutshell, it was originally:

https://semver.org/lang/ru/
Semantic Versioning 2.0.0
Briefly

Given a MAJOR version number.MINOR.PATCH, should increase:
A MAJOR version when backward incompatible API changes are made.
A MINOR version, when you add new functionality without breaking backwards compatibility.
PATCH version when you make backward compatible fixes.

Additional designations for pre-release and build metadata are possible as additions to MAJOR.MINOR.PATCH format.

That is, versioning has always been about changing the external interface, but now it has begun to fall apart even in software.

[Zefr]

But all this can be hung on an existing carcass, as a modernization. Even the An-2 can fly without a pilot, but this does not make it the 6th generation. These are not significant differences.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Crap!!! Don't mind me[email protected]))) "in China" .. and I read - "in Kyiv"!))))

[MONEY]

And what do we have with this??? Everything as usual? Weaving in the tail??!!

[yho]

Calm down, don't panic. Ours invent a wingless aircraft.

[novel66]

Quote from Yoho

wingless

It's a rocket

[MONEY]

Where is the evidence? We already see squadrons of Su-57. Armadas ,, Armat ,, And all that ... Funny!!))) PS Minus!!

[Mishka78]

Kill me, I don’t understand how you can fly an airplane in battle without a tail .. But physics is my frankly weak point, I got a three at the school, because. I scraped all the floors on the pulpit and painted the windows ..

[yho]

There are drones of the "flying wing" type. They are quite manoeuvrable and drvolno well controlled.

[Sergey Romanchenko]

I am engaged in aircraft modeling, there are aircraft of both classical configuration and flying wings, and even according to the duck pattern.
Flying wings give maximum efficiency at subsonic speeds, but their controllability is not what if the flight controller does not have special software that you can keep them in the air at all, if you go out of the allowed maneuvering parameters (twist your nose too much), then there is a breakdown of the air flow throughout the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe aircraft is a kapets to the aircraft, and it is almost impossible to get it out of a spin.
If the task is, for example, a hypersonic aircraft, then better efficiency is given by aircraft of the "carrying body" layout, in fact, without the wing-mounted design of the airframe. There, the lift force is formed essentially by the fuselage body.
In general, airplanes are just compromises, you want slow clumsy and long flying wings. Do you want to have this and that variable sweep, faster than Mach 3, a thin small wing, on the MiG-9 sver25vuk forms about 40% of the lift it creates due to the fuselage.

So I see the Chinese plane as a quiet plane, capable of making its way far beyond the radar, hitting targets from great distances and not engaging in contact combat at all.

That is why the presentation itself was suspended not so much by an aircraft, but by a radar, so that it could see far and shoot at the F-22 outside its radius of destruction.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

But vague doubts creep into my ingenuous soul that this is a cardboard fool, aimed at making the Americans waste an incredible amount of money. At one time, we were so bred into the Star Wars program, although by the time Buran flew it was already clear that each launch of a reusable ship costs more than a one-time one, and all these lasers, mirrors and nuclear bombardments from space are not very science fiction. For some reason, there is a very strong feeling that the time has come for the Americans to step on this rake.

[Eug]

Yes, when an ordinary BR in the orbital version throws a "useful" load into orbit, and then this load "descends" to the desired object - it's much cheaper than using a reusable .. there should have been Satan in the orbital version, but the project was closed .

[Vladimir80]

And why is the lack of a tail embarrassing (a vertical keel, birds don’t have it either) ??? B2 has been flying for 40 years, B21 will soon fly, our “hunter” flies conditionally. The main thing here is a developed autopilot, which helps to control these aircraft.

[evgen1221]

Tailless radio models also fly well, and even those made of stick and paper with a weight. So this one, with a bunch of control electronics and engines with the necessary nozzles, should fly.

[Armen Sologyan]

I think that Russia already has the 6th generation, and the serial production will be announced when leopards and other evil spirits come to Ukraine. And in the project, an orbital-type fighter-bomber with an appropriate system for dampening the force of gravity and inertia. Perhaps the system will not be needed if it is already an android with artificial intelligence. In Russia, everything is possible, there would only be a desire to show!

[Vladimir80]

Are you writing from this spaceplane by any chance?

[yho]

Yep, there is. They are hidden in an underground hangar in the Altai mountains.

[Eug]

It is possible that elevons obliquely located along the trailing edge of the wing "work" to control the course,
when heeling, they give a projection of at least a small, but "course" force. Plus cross-coupling from roll through the inertia tensor. But all the same, for stabilization and course control, especially at low speeds, an all-angle OVT is needed. Yes, and during landing, it seems that the elevons will be in the aerodynamic shadow of the delta wing, but at what speeds and angles of attack and will there be shading
in general, only purges can tell for sure.

[ASM]

For a fighter, this is theoretically possible if the tail is folded in the fuselage. Such a thing flies up to the operation zone, the tail (s) rises and into battle. Maneuverability increases dramatically, but the folded tail niches spoil the aerodynamics. It is possible, as for the chassis, to cover with covers, but what will such a miracle have in the "hold" and how much can it fly? Not how the concept works.

[Vladimir80]

Maneuvering battles of fighters remained in the last century. Now the main thing is radar and explosive missiles

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

That's not what maneuverability is for.
How does a long range missile work? The aircraft analyzes the movement of the enemy, its trajectory is predicted, and a rocket flies to the estimated position of the enemy, flying up to this place, it turns on the GOS, it searches for a target and aims at it. A missile launched from 300 km cannot itself capture a target at such a distance. Super-maneuverability is needed, just so that while the missile is flying into the intended area, change its position in space so that its seeker cannot capture the aircraft.
Well, for shock functions, this is a faster approach to the target and a faster lapel, so that you either do not enter the air defense zone at all or stay in it for the minimum possible time.

[Sergey Valov]

Supermaneuverability is the maneuverability of meager speeds, reducing speed to near zero for a sharp turn in the air is a great gift to the enemy. The first missile will fly into milk, so he will finish off the target of the second, medium or short range, and for sure. Thirdly, I'm not sure that a modern fighter has equipment capable of detecting the launch of an explosive missile at it from a distance of 200 - 300 km.

[Herman 4223]

Well, let's just say that the old Su-27 can detect a target in the form of an explosive missile from a distance of 60 km.

[Sergey Valov]

“The maneuverable battles of fighters remained in the last century” - if this were so, then no one would put guns on fighters. Second - only a war with equal opponents can show the true state of things.

[75 Sergey]

Well, guns are needed - to shoot some kind of probe, again, the Reapers and other rubbish.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

It is naive to believe that the absence of keels is immediately the next generation ...
The Turkish ultra-sonic multifunctional drone is much closer to the 6th generation ...

[75 Sergey]

Well, they can be made retractable in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe engines, and the pair extends up and the pair down

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Here is a similar plastic airplane was in Soviet childhood

[Herman 4223]

He only has a tail on a dog, but on an airplane it's kind of called a keel. Video of course turbidity, and even in Spanish. But at the beginning of the video you can see the plane, obviously a fighter and he has keels. No front and rear plumage. Next, you can see a drone, obviously a strike drone. It probably means that he is paired with that fighter.

[Marat Lyalin]

The Mirage was with a rear wing .. Viggen with slats ...