And if poverty is really not a vice

Demography and democracy in Russian

Earlier, we discussed demographic problems and forecasts of a decrease in the population of Russia in general and a decrease in Russians in particular. But, as is clear, in the end, an increase in the birth rate is inextricably linked with an increase in living standards and an increase in the well-being of the country's citizens.

Rosstat estimated the level of poverty in Russia in January-September 2022. According to statistical estimates, 17,2 million people in the country live with incomes below the subsistence level. And they are unlikely to want to have many children or even one child.

But the improvement of well-being is not only the growth of wages and pensions, it is also a good system of healthcare and education, improvement of living conditions, universal gasification of the country... We will talk about this later. In the meantime, we note that the President of the Russian Federation understands the problem. Thus, Vladimir Putin set the task of achieving in 2023 an increase in real wages, a reduction in poverty, as well as an increase in the birth rate and life expectancy.

This is stated in the list of instructions to the government of the Russian Federation, published on the Kremlin website on January 26 this year. Instructions from the head of state were given following the meeting of the Council for Strategic Development and National Projects, held on December 15, 2022. And on December 19, the head of state signed a federal law that establishes a minimum wage of 2023 rubles for 16.

As reported, the law will increase the salaries of about 3,5 million public sector employees. Recall that the fight against poverty as a task for the state was named in the Address of the President of the Russian Federation to the Federal Assembly back in January 2020. By the way, the poverty line is now considered in a new way. They decided to introduce a new indicator due to the fact that since 2021 a new model for calculating the living wage and the minimum wage (SMIC) has been used.

Their calculation is now based on the average per capita median income and median wages (previously - the food basket). And as you may have guessed, as a result of the new methodology, "life has become better, life has become more fun."

But to understand the situation with poverty, a little theory.

Some theory

After the collapse of the Soviet Union in Russia, as you know, the ideas of building a market economy triumphed. And our new managers began to say that the poor in Russia are those who simply did not fit into the market. It's a pity of course. But nothing can be done!

Here is an excerpt from the treatise of the still young Chubais (dated March 30, 1990):

“The immediate social consequences of accelerated market reform include: a general decline in living standards; growth of differentiation of prices and incomes of the population; the emergence of mass unemployment ... "

Chairman of the State Committee for State Property Management and Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation (1994–1995) Vladimir Polevanov recalled:

“When I came to the State Property Committee and tried to change the privatization strategy, Chubais told me openly: “Why are you worried about these people? Well, thirty million will die. They didn't fit into the market. Don't think about it - new ones will grow."

What is this if not "ordinary fascism"?

But at the same time, no one tried Chubais, he continued to hold high positions in Russia, he was given the leadership of Rosnano. During the years when he ruled it, a lot of money fell into his pocket and the pockets of his friends. Until one day he just ran away from Russia. But his students, the Chubais, remained. And they still live in Russia, sucking money out of it. And not only money.

Remembering the Union

It is no coincidence that today many citizens of the USSR recall socialism with nostalgia. Let me just remind you that the basic economic law of socialism was that

"The goal of the socialist economy is to ensure the well-being and comprehensive development of all members of society through the most complete satisfaction of their constantly growing material and cultural needs, achieved through the continuous growth and improvement of socialist production on the basis of scientific and technological progress."

Exactly this was written down in the Program of the CPSU.

At the same time, the basic economic law of capitalism was and remains the law of surplus value. Not surprisingly, Marx wrote:

“The production of surplus value or profit is the absolute law of this mode of production.”

But in Russia now just capitalism.

The charter said: it is necessary!

In Europe, back in 1996, the "European Social Charter" was adopted. The State Duma of the Russian Federation ratified this Charter in 2009. The then Minister of Health and Social Development Tatyana Golikova, who presented the document, said that the articles and clauses of the Charter signed on behalf of the Russian Federation in Strasbourg on September 14, 2000, proposed for ratification,

"do not contain rules other than those provided for by the legislation of the Russian Federation."

She particularly emphasized that

"their implementation will not entail additional budgetary expenditures."

In addition, the Charter does not require the immediate adoption of all articles. Only 9 articles out of 31 are mandatory.

And Russia is ready to accept obligations in relation to 19 articles. Of the mandatory, 6 articles will be recognized: on the right to work, the right to association, the right to collective bargaining, the right of children and young people to protection, the right of the family to social, legal and economic protection, the right to equal opportunities and equal treatment in employment and professional activities without discrimination on the basis of sex…

Like this. You see, these articles of the Charter did not require additional budget funding!

From interesting.

During the discussion of the bill, Deputy Nikolai Kolomeytsev (KPRF) asked whether the ratification of the Charter would increase the retirement age. T. Golikova noted that the Charter was ratified by 40 European states and in all these states the retirement age is different. The minister assured the deputies that "in the near and medium term" an increase in the retirement age is not expected.

But, as we can see, after 10 years in Russia, a gradual increase in the retirement age began. By the way, almost all factions supported the ratification. Only Zhirinovsky spoke out against, saying that the provisions of the Charter "are not feasible." And right-wing Russian Alexander Lomakin-Rumyantsev noted that the provisions on the social integration of disabled people, on the right to housing, to medical care, the right of the elderly to social protection, and the right to protection from poverty should also be ratified.

But these words of the deputy remained just a wish.

We also note that in Article 75.5. The Constitution of the Russian Federation states that

“The Russian Federation respects the work of citizens and ensures the protection of their rights. The state guarantees a minimum wage not less than the subsistence minimum for the able-bodied population as a whole in the Russian Federation.

Compare with the Program of the CPSU, in which it was written that the task of the party is "increasing welfare, improving working and living conditions of Soviet people". Of course, after the collapse of the USSR, all this simply remained in stories.

But, we note that today medicine is becoming more and more paid, as well as a good education. And now one can only dream of free vouchers to pioneer camps and rest homes. But in the USSR they were really free.

About other features of poverty statistics - in my next note.

Comments

[Dmitry_Kress]

Injecting money into women does nothing to improve the demographics. This money will simply settle in Turkish resorts. Without the rights of fathers to a family and children, Russia is doomed to extinction. In Afghanistan, there is no materkapital, no decree, no other payments. The country ranks fourth in the world in terms of...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Dmitry_Kress

Injecting money into women does nothing to improve the demographics. This money will simply settle in Turkish resorts.

Well, actually, the capital is still issued after the birth of a child, so not really in "women".

Quote: Dmitry_Kress

Without the rights of fathers to a family and children, Russia is doomed to extinction.

Not everything is so bad, but there is a healthy grain.

Quote: Dmitry_Kress

In Afghanistan, there is no materkapital, no decree, no other payments. The country ranks fourth in the world in terms of...

Well, how would a woman be a little higher in status than a dog ... Personally, I think that we need aggressive propaganda of large families and family values ​​among the Slavs, well, and support for such families.

By the way, almost all factions supported the ratification. Only Zhirinovsky spoke out against, saying that the provisions of the Charter "are not feasible."

Yeah, the Communist Party is like that, mimocrocodiles ...

[Non-fighter]

Personally, I think that we need aggressive propaganda of large families and family values ​​among the Slavs, well, and support for such families.

And how to determine who to support and who not? What language is spoken in the family? And how will you define it? Or are there other signs?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Not the fighter

And how to determine who to support and who not? What language is spoken in the family? And how will you define it? Or are there other signs?

In general, it is not bad to use language as a criterion, one of the criteria, but not as in the naturalization of "specialists". Russian language in the family - federal support, national - republican. You have to think shorter. But this is not for "our" Duma, unfortunately.
And propaganda on the federal channels and other media.

[Plover]

Personally, I think that we need aggressive propaganda of large families and family values ​​among the Slavs, well, and support for such families

High birth rates are characteristic of traditional, patriarchal societies, which is Afghanistan. In societies that have moved into modernity
the birth rate is always falling - look at the same China. In order for the birth rate to make up for the natural decline, a high-quality health care system, education and a high per capita income are needed. The second term should be the maximum resettlement of people in their homes - in cities the number of children is many times less than in the suburbs. This is evidenced by the experience of the USA, New Zealand, and Australia.

[nickname7]

in cities, the number of children is several times less than in the suburbs

Quite right. Saburbia in the west are industrially built on a turnkey basis, complete with roads and storm drains, so they have a neat appearance. In our country, the private sector often carries out sluggish repairs, the roads are not paved and in bad weather the roads turn into a mess, young people do not like this, they leave for the city.
Fragmentation also stimulates the development of road transport.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Plover

In order for the birth rate to make up for the natural decline, a high-quality health care system, education and a high per capita income are needed. The second term should be the maximum resettlement of people in their homes - in cities the number of children is many times less than in the suburbs. This is evidenced by the experience of the USA, New Zealand, and Australia.

I can't argue, but don't forget about propaganda either.

[Plover]

Propaganda must be based on the truth. As long as there is no "material" basis (at least in the form of privileged conditions for business in terms of building comfortable houses near the city and normal transport infrastructure), they will only laugh at propaganda. And here (in St. Petersburg), if the authorities "promote" anything, it is the construction of "human settlements", because they report for the built square meters. And what is easier - to build a house with 10 apartments, of which 000% are studios, or to plan development? In the conditions of "humans" it is ridiculous to propagandize.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Plover

And here (in St. Petersburg), if the authorities "promote" anything, it is the construction of "human settlements", because they report for the built square meters.

No offense, but in my opinion "millionaires" is evil. Although there are not bad buildings in Novosibirsk, in my U-U (half a million people))) the outskirts are built up with their own houses, clumsy, but they are built up.
And propaganda should be aimed at forming a stereotype: - two children - at least, three - the norm.

[Plover]

I do not agree. Look at any city in the USA (except maybe New York and Chicago, I guess). What is their millionaire? This is a compact down-town and a HUGE suburbia. And not everyone goes to the center - places of work are scattered throughout the area, the center is conditionally the administration and some top offices. Moreover, this is universal, as I understand it, for the "Anglo-Saxons" (with the exception of Great Britain itself - it has its own history), because in 2019 I was in New Zealand, in Auckland - and everything is the same: a compact center and a huge suburbia. But well-designed - microdistricts. And the population is 1.5 million. Living there is more comfortable than in Nsk (Novosibirsk is not a foreign city to me - I have been there many times, and my relatives live there), although the population is approximately the same.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Plover

Look at any city in the USA (except maybe New York and Chicago, I guess). What is their millionaire? This is a compact down-town and a HUGE suburbia.

In my opinion, you are forgetting about such a "little thing" as heating.

[Fabrizio]

Modern construction technologies have come a long way, and Russia seems to take first place in terms of gas reserves.

[Plover]

Why? Energy-efficient houses, a supply and exhaust system with recuperation, a heat pump (which is now mandatory in all new Finnish industrial houses), real gasification of Gazprom, finally. Well, as far as the United States and Canada are concerned, there is nothing there that in "cold" regions they live in cities, and in warm regions they live in the suburbs.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Plover

Well, as far as the United States and Canada are concerned, there is nothing there that in "cold" regions they live in cities, and in warm regions they live in the suburbs.

Of course there are - just their "cold" regions are exactly what is in quotation marks cold. By our standards - they are warm, and their "warm" - by ours - hot. The fact that to the north of Ottawa are cities, small ones, moreover, in our style.

Quote: Plover

Energy-efficient houses, a supply and exhaust system with recuperation, a heat pump (which is now mandatory in all new Finnish industrial houses), real gasification of Gazprom, finally.

It's all great, and I'm all for it, but it will drive up the cost of real estate dramatically, and the suburban suburbs will become unaffordable. No, in my opinion, it is small cities with low-rise, but apartment buildings that are the way out for our country, including in social terms.
Although Mukhin described an interesting concept - a linear one-two-story microdistrict in the manner of a townhouse, but with a common extended basement and, accordingly, communications.

[Petya Kuzmin]

Correctly, a state program of de-urbanization, development of villages, villages and small towns is needed.
Although, as a rule, in developed countries, the birth rate is falling, but if you look at countries such as Israel, Kazakhstan, then there is a total birth rate of about 3 children, fairly developed countries, and in Russia 1,5. It is necessary to learn from their experience.

[Sergej1972]

These suburbs are often part of large cities or satellite cities. Their inhabitants also consider themselves city dwellers, not rural dwellers. And they work in the "urban" areas of activity.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Dmitry_Kress

In Afghanistan, there is no materkapital, no decree, no other payments. The country ranks fourth in the world in terms of...

Islam in Afghanistan, and that says it all.

Quote: Dmitry_Kress

Injecting money into women does nothing to improve the demographics.

Both true and false at the same time.
On the one hand, for example, the closure of mortgages by the state with the birth of a third child would seriously contribute to an increase in the number of families with three children, on the other hand, we are unlikely to see many families with four or more children, regardless of financial capabilities. Many examples prove that the financial well-being of a family does not affect its large number of children in any way. The problem here is much deeper. For many decades, the very foundation of the family was methodically destroyed. Such concepts as "freedom", "independence", "self-realization" and "success" were put forward in the first place, career and "desire to live for oneself" took the leading place. All this became a fatal disease for the family and demographics. But all this is practically absent in countries where there is Islam, where the family is the basis for everything, where children are the future of the family, they are an "investment" and not a "burden", "the more children, the stronger the family"...

[populist]

Quote: Doccor18

For many decades, the very foundation of the family was methodically destroyed. Such concepts as "freedom", "independence", "self-realization" and "success" were put forward in the first place, career and "desire to live for oneself" took the leading place. All this became a fatal disease for the family and demographics.

It's right. Family ideology has changed in society.

Quote: Doccor18

But all this is practically absent in countries where there is Islam, where the family is the basis for everything.

I hope you are not campaigning for Islam.

[Doccor18]

Quote: populist

I hope you are not campaigning for Islam.

I just write about why it is not like here, I try to be attentive to everything that surrounds me.
And there are enough agitators, in my opinion, but it’s not so much about Islam, once in Rus' families were big, they were the basis of everything ....

[Blacksmith 55]

The article raises a very important issue.
And a lot of different and good ideas.
But one thing is not said at all, and I did not see it in the comments either.
I mean the childlessness tax.
It existed in the Union, now no one remembers it.
It is possible and necessary to support families, but those who do not have children should be punished with a long ruble.
It is also possible, for example, with an increase in the number of children to reduce income tax.
And without an increase, and a sharp and significant increase, Russia has no future.
Huge territories need to be developed and protected, and without the people it is simply unrealistic.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

but those who do not have children should be punished with a long ruble.

What if for medical reasons?
Then, apparently, they will demand a certificate, which will be so difficult to do in a country with a flourishing commercial medicine ...

Quote: Blacksmith 55

It is also possible, for example, with an increase in the number of children to reduce income tax.

Yes, it can be canceled altogether, but it is unlikely that this will solve the problem. A person with a salary of 25 thousand is doubtful, because what is with him, what is without him ... With a salary of 500 thousand - the same, she will not give birth, because it is very difficult to combine the post of deputy deputies and five children .. .

Quote: Blacksmith 55

Huge territories need to be developed and protected, and without the people it is simply unrealistic.

Need to learn. And the people are needed. But this problem is so complex and multifaceted that today it cannot be solved in any state of "decaying democracy", but they follow a simple and understandable path - emigration from less successful countries ...

[Blacksmith 55]

Dear Doccor, this was also the case in the Soviet Union, so those who could not have children were exempt from the tax on childlessness.
On the other points, I meant that this is one of the ways to increase the population.
It's better to do something than to do nothing.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

It's better to do something than to do nothing.

said the woodpecker and began to hammer an iron pole.. now life in the Russian Federation is similar to life in the USSR? if yes, I support your proposal with both hands .. and if not, read above ..

[Epaulettes]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

I mean the childlessness tax.

Are you out of your mind?
And what about a child who will be neither desired nor loved, in such a family, have you thought?
Or would you just follow the plan?

[bk0010]

Quote: Doccor18

Many examples prove that the financial well-being of a family does not affect its large number of children in any way. The problem here is much deeper. For many decades, the very foundation of the family was methodically destroyed.

The problem is that divorce is financially beneficial to the woman. After the birth of the child, she can squeeze out a large chunk of the income and housing of her ex-husband. As a result, 80% of marriages break up, and the initiator of divorces in 90% is a woman (the numbers are not exact: I write from memory, but they are of high quality). As a result, the man is left homeless, with a sharp drop in income (alimony, rental costs, etc.), often the former brings up the child in hatred of the father. And he approaches retirement without savings, without housing (with such additional expenses, a new mortgage cannot be pulled), and often, with a child who hates him. Previously, a peasant's family was _his_ family, but now - why is this necessary? A divorced woman also does not have new children. What need to do? 1. The child stays with someone who has housing. 2. Both parties deposit the same amount into the child's account. Purchases for a child are paid for by a card, reports on which are received by both former spouses. Her purchase of non-child items and food is considered theft. As a result, divorce will become financially meaningless, families will be preserved.

Quote: Doccor18

But all this is practically absent in countries where there is Islam, where the family is the basis for everything.

The point here is not the "basis of everything", but the fact that in non-Europeanized Islamic countries a woman who leaves her husband goes to her parents in what she is wearing, and that's it.

[Doccor18]

Quote: bk0010

1. The child stays with someone who has housing. 2. Both parties deposit equal amounts into the child's account.

Everything that you wrote before is stupid to deny, but this is not a reason, but only a consequence of the long-term destruction of the family institution in all developed countries of the world.
But at the expense of "a child, housing and the same amount" - this, excuse me, is a utopia that not only will not solve the problem, but will only aggravate it. Why? Yes, because a woman, in this case, will have to work and earn even more, which means she will think about the family even later, and there will be even fewer children ... And nature itself has prepared a woman to be only a mother and keeper of the hearth, and not an equal budget organizer. Having many children for a woman is simply incompatible with a serious career and a well-paid job.

Quote: bk0010

that in non-Europeanized Islamic countries, a woman who leaves her husband goes to her parents in what she is wearing, and that's it.

Only you forgot about the kalym, which the groom must give to the bride's family. It is he who, in which case, will help (facilitate) the woman's maintenance for the family. We don't have it. Imagine if my mother-in-law and father-in-law gave me a round bill before the wedding ...

[Plover]

Islam in Afghanistan, and that says it all

Not true. Afghanistan has a traditional patriarchal society. As in India (in the majority), as in South Sudan. And Islam, animalistic religions or something else is just a specificity.

[boni592807]

Zuek (Peter). Yesterday, 19:57. NEW - "... Afghanistan has a traditional patriarchal society. As in India (in the majority), as in South Sudan. And Islam, animalistic religions or something else is just a specificity ...."


This is NOT specific . and NOT knowledge of YOUR history, and incl. World.
so:
1. Not all of the above are related to Islam.
2. If we talk about Orthodox CHRISTIANS. That. there is a very interesting part of ITS - OLD BRIEFERS. It's good for families and kids too. Question. what is supported by the state or at least not interfered with ... . Yes, and Islam. Buddhism, etc. RF to help for the indigenous. As long as there is. what to pass on to children and grandchildren. And "freeloaders" to deprive of citizenship and verification. how and with what they "earned" property. US experience to help!
3. All indigenous peoples of the Russian Federation have every REASON to solve the issue of demography. Not by the NOW launched method - by the delivery of those. who sees in the Russian Federation only a fodder base and a free freebie from the budget of the Russian Federation. "Banquet" at the expense of INDIGENOUS. : And who we feed and grow on our mountain, see the reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB and just the media (birth, kindergartens and schools, education, entire sectors of the economy farmed out to "brothers" from the CIS and the CSTO. But. how do they respond to the Russian Federation? Level Russophobia (all Russia) Military alliance with the US and NATO Placement of biolaboratories with our "allies" Run on the Internet Who has provoked what diseases and what epidemics, for example, in Moscow and recently in other subjects?
Need a plumber - called paid for the work done and goodbye . And then - registration. family import. relatives of their bandustans, see the media and beyond. What is the demographic here? Again for the last year - 500. The guests have 000 ml in plus .We have SVO they have the development of our social budget and "settlement" R F. It would be good for the indigenous people to count how many of THEM according to the census and which of the "visitors" will already be MORE PORE by the number of THEM. And then - "I want the Kemp volost" and the status of the national king of Kosovo to help !!!. Here is THIS contribution!

[parma]

Quote: Doccor18

Quote: Dmitry_Kress

In Afghanistan, there is no materkapital, no decree, no other payments. The country ranks fourth in the world in terms of...

Islam in Afghanistan, and that says it all.

Quote: Dmitry_Kress

Injecting money into women does nothing to improve the demographics.

Both true and false at the same time.
On the one hand, for example, the closure of mortgages by the state with the birth of a third child would seriously contribute to an increase in the number of families with three children, on the other hand, we are unlikely to see many families with four or more children, regardless of financial capabilities. Many examples prove that the financial well-being of a family does not affect its large number of children in any way. The problem here is much deeper. For many decades, the very foundation of the family was methodically destroyed. Such concepts as "freedom", "independence", "self-realization" and "success" were put forward in the first place, career and "desire to live for oneself" took the leading place. All this became a fatal disease for the family and demographics. But all this is practically absent in countries where there is Islam, where the family is the basis for everything, where children are the future of the family, they are an "investment" and not a "burden", "the more children, the stronger the family"...

That's why you are again trying to accuse the inhabitants of our country that they are somehow not as they should be, not like their ancestors in Rus'? Take a closer look at what volume 5/10 countries in terms of fertility have in common?
Let's go:
1) Congo is a poor predominantly Christian (!) country with a low level of education
2) Guinea is a poor country with a low level of education, the religion is approximately equal in proportion to Islam and local beliefs
3) Liberia is a poor predominantly Christian (!) country with a low level of education
4) Niger is a poor predominantly Muslim country with a low level of education
5) Afghanistan - see item 4
6) Mali - see item 4
7) Angola is a poor predominantly Christian (!) country with a low level of education
8) Burundi - see item 7
9) Uganda - see item 7
10) Sierra Leone is a poor country with a low level of education, the religion is approximately equal in proportion to Islam and local beliefs
What do we have in total? The highest birth rate in poor countries with low levels of education. Religious or cultural preferences of the population do not particularly play a role. This is caused by a fairly simple connection - the poverty of countries (well, or the destructiveness of the state in this matter) leads to a low level of education of citizens, which in turn leads to low labor efficiency, therefore, in order to ensure the possibility of family survival in a subsistence economy, it is necessary to increase the number. In other words, if the father of the family works at a high-tech enterprise (let's conditionally call any enterprise of the 20th century a high-tech enterprise), he is able to feed his family without much difficulty. If the father of the family is conditionally busy collecting difficulties in this matter much more, any crisis situation can lead to the death of the family, therefore, an increase in the size of this very family is required in order to smooth out difficult peaks. This is exactly what can be seen if we consider as an example the more successful countries of the region - in Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, the birth rate is below 2 children per woman (commensurate with our country, in the countries mentioned above there are more than 5 children per woman, even in Paraguay the birth rate is slightly more than 2 children per woman) ... it is higher labor efficiency that leads to a decrease in the birth rate, because children give birth "for themselves" (fulfillment of a psychological need), and not for survival. This is a global process. In fact, this can be influenced not by money (in general, it is customary in our country to either ignore or flood with money), but by soft propaganda and the creation of the image of a “Russian family” (as in the states, in almost all films, an “American family” has two children) ....

[Sergej1972]

In Iran, the birth rate among the Persians and Azerbaijanis has drastically decreased, it is more or less high among the more backward Balochs, Kurds, etc. In Turkey, the birth rate has also dropped significantly, with a higher level among the Kurds. In general, adherence to Islam does not mean the predominance of large families. In our Tatars, Bashkirs, the birth rate is not much different from the birth rate among Russians. The birth rate is low among urban Uzbeks and Kazakhs.

[Stas157]

Quote: Dmitry_Kress

Injecting money into women does nothing to improve the demographics. This money will simply settle in Turkish resorts.

And you tie with prostitutes something. I'm sure your outlook will change!

In Russia, there are a huge number of divorces and single mothers who are not at all up to the resorts. To raise a child in the absence of money is another concern. We have a third of the population, not like in Turkey, have not been to the sea at all.

[Dmitry_Kress]

Name me one country where pumping money into women has improved demographics.

[Nastia makarova]

mat capital is not swelling into a woman, but into a child

[Stas157]

Quote: Dmitry_Kress

pumping money into women

Not just in women, but in mothers, it is necessary to swell into what is connected with children. Free medicine (normal, and not the kind in which mothers with children run to paid clinics), free sections, swimming pools, accessible kindergartens, schools not overcrowded with first-graders ... And if there are more than 3 children, then in general the salary is only for childcare need to pay.

[nickname7]

First, there are organizations for demographics and family planning supervised by Western funds, these are harmful organizations that need to be dissolved. And to promote large families to change the mentality to live for yourself.
It is also necessary to support the countryside where large families have remained, for example, in Siberia there is a narrow-gauge railway, but it is in an emergency condition, meanwhile, this road is important for the connectivity of the region.

Narrow-gauge railways need to be repaired, bridges need to be repaired, primers cleared, asphalt laid in places. Provide interest-free loans for the repair of houses. Also, the villagers need to be helped with feed and sell milk, meat, honey. Or we need a state program to replace milestone housing. The oligarchs could give money for the village pumping program, by analogy "pimping a wheelbarrow". It is necessary to invest in infrastructure, not in foreign exchange reserves. It is not clear why there are no analogues of saburbium in the Russian Federation.

Their villagers create a type of cooperative for the sale of village products on the market, and expel dealers who underestimate prices from the market.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Dmitry_Kress

Injecting money into women does nothing to improve the demographics.

It's a pity people are allowed on the Internet without any iq control. Do not write nonsense, disappear from here, there are already enough fools. The demographic situation is connected exclusively with the economic situation.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

The demographic situation is related exclusively with the economic situation.

Tell about the USSR or google it yourself?
And in the Republic of Ingushetia, in the villages, the children didn’t even have clothes ... And there were also “Children of the Underground” ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Dmitry_Kress

In Afghanistan, there is no materkapital, no decree, no other payments. The country ranks fourth in the world in terms of...

And in the DPRK there is nothing at all ... However, the population is growing due to the birth rate, and not, as in Russia, due to migration and joining ...

[Gedall]

In a society where a person's labor is alienated and he himself is a commodity for the employer, in the form of a sold labor force, it is hardly possible to achieve social justice and improve living standards and fertility. When you work for food, and someone appropriates most of what you produce, and then says that his talent is given by God and he deigns to give you a job, you don’t really want to make children, you want to spit in this goat’s face.

[Nikolay Malyugin]

I will not write about the advantage of living in the USSR. It is enough to read about the life of those people in the bourgeois world who got the crumbs from prosperous capitalism. In the 60s, when everyone had already forgotten about hunger, they had to go without food for several days. And all this in the light of full counters. Now about our existence. Our most vulnerable spot is untold wealth. The wealth that belongs to large owners. This is the most vulnerable link from the attacks of the West. If the involvement of ordinary people in the state is great. That the involvement of the affairs of the oligarchs is simply zero. They should share exactly half with the state. After all, it is their wealth that seduces the West. It is difficult for the West to do anything with state property. From this, the results in medicine, education ... It does not matter when a sick child is collected from the world by a string, while others live in Dubai.

[Alister kroulegg]

The country with the highest birth rate is Niger. If we want to improve it in Russia, then we need to adopt the demographic policy of this particular country

[Lech from Android.]

If I were a Sultan, I would have three wives...
And triple beauty would be surrounded.
But on the other hand, if you look...
How many troubles and worries ah save Allah.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Lech from Android.

If I were a Sultan, I would have three wives...
And triple beauty would be surrounded.
But on the other hand, if you look...
How many troubles and worries ah save Allah.

Let's start with the original:

If I were a Sultan, I would have three wives
And triple beauty would be surrounded.
But on the other hand, in such cases
So many troubles and worries. Ah, save Allah!

It is possible otherwise:
If I were a Sultan, I would have three wives
And triple beauty would be surrounded.
But on the other hand, if you look
Every day, all three should have been used to "have".

[Sergej1972]

Does it even exist in Niger? I suspect not.

[parusnik]

But at the same time, no one judged Chubais,

They don't leave their own..

[B]

Vladimir Putin set the goal of achieving in 2023 an increase in real wages, a reduction in poverty, as well as an increase in the birth rate and life expectancy.[

/ B]

If you set a task and it will grow and decrease and increase. "If you understand the order - Follow this hour! - Do not hesitate, Chai, it's not the first time!" (c) ...

[dmi.pris1]

GDP understands the problem. And instructed .. By the way, how are the "May decrees" doing there? Oh, well, yes. They have already been ordered to be forgotten

[parusnik]

I don’t remember such that in a country that is fighting in the adjacent and its own territory, real wages would grow, poverty would decrease, and the birth rate and life expectancy would also increase.

[Bolt cutter]

Do not remember that

You don't need to remember, just look at Israel.

[bk0010]

Quote: parusnik

I don’t remember such that in a country that is fighting in the adjacent and its own territory, real wages would grow, poverty would decrease, and the birth rate and life expectancy would also increase.

Take an interest in life in Nazi Germany before 1942. Do you think Hitler was just supported like that?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: parusnik

I don’t remember such that in a country that is fighting in the adjacent and its own territory, real wages would grow, poverty would decrease, and the birth rate and life expectancy would also increase.

We will probably be the first in the history of mankind.

[Taimen]

If he understood, then there would be no chaos and irresponsibility in the country. Enemies of the people sat in jail, or stood at the wall. And he gives them a new position. One Nabiullina cost the country. Again, the ruble lowers, but the currency for export was again allowed. These are the "concepts". Author from a series of storytellers, or with Staver in the sect of "witnesses".

[Non-fighter]

Well, I don’t know about Nabiulina, but our analogue of Swift, and Mir, was also introduced at her suggestion. I remind you that after the start of the NWO, Visa and Mastercard immediately left us, and with the ends, without Mir, we would have rolled back to the 90s.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Not the fighter

Well, I don’t know about Nabiulina, but our analogue of Swift, and Mir, was also introduced at her suggestion. I remind you that after the start of the NWO, Visa and Mastercard immediately left us, and with the ends, without Mir, we would have rolled back to the 90s.

With the current hands of the drivers, we are gradually rolling back to the 19th century. And individual small successes do not change anything drastically.

[2 Level Advisor]

a whole computer program was written in 8 years, yes, this is a project - the level of launching a person into space ..

[Unknown]

Quote: parusnik

But at the same time, no one judged Chubais,
They don't leave their own..

That's for sure! .... they asked Putin, who headed the President's Control Department, whether it is true that he and other people from the Sobchak team consider Chubais as their leader, because he is unelected and will never be able to become president after Yeltsin. And Putin quite seriously replied that yes, Chubais is the most worthy leader "from our team." That is, in 1999, Putin considered himself a member of the Chubais team. And he went to the polls as "one of". Now even political scientists have a mess in their heads, and even more so for journalists, especially Ukrainian ones, who are quite far from insiders. Putin is not a dictator, not a usurper, not the head of the mafia, not a "godfather". He is still "one of the Chubais team." Of those who seized power in Russia in the early 90s and still hold it.......

[parusnik]

Chubais is the most worthy leader "from our team."

And now, he is fattening in the West. And the most interesting thing is that he is not under sanctions .. Along the way, does he suit the West? Also his own, "bourgeois"?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: parusnik

Don't hesitate, Chai, it's not the first time!

Everything kills me the progressiveness of the personal income tax scale in the Russian Federation. As much as 15% for those from whom only 45% would have been withdrawn in China ...
See for yourself. Someone:
Anti-Corruption Declaration 2019
General Director - Chairman of the Board of Russian Railways
Russian Railways
He managed to extract 2019 rubles in 449, paying 668% of taxes.
And with a real progressive scale, an uncle in a state corporation could scrape together only 284 rubles, leaving the state not 273 rubles, but as much as 386,26 rubles ... And such uncles and aunts with incomes above reasonable are very a lot and the state, thanks to unheard of generosity, only from these "indispensable" and "effective" loses several trillion rubles annually. But AI or some other “not prone to money-grubbing” person could successfully replace more than one such leader.
* * *
I was struck by a case when, during the times of the USSR, a woman was detained at the airport, who tried to smuggle 800 grams of gold in the body of her own infant, who had been killed by her...
This is me to the fact that today we are looking for sympathy (no longer compassion) from such people who got into power during the time of EBN.

[ivan2022]

Capitalism is full-fledged with a developed trade union movement and the presence of large teams of many thousands with a wide variety of workers and engineering professions.

In Russia, capitalism was under socialism.

And now more industrial feudalism. With enterprises such as Demidov factories and a huge number of merchants and intermediaries. Look at him - they will put him on a chain .....

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: ivan2022

Capitalism is full-fledged with a developed trade union movement and the presence of large teams of many thousands with a wide variety of workers and engineering professions.

And in the presence of a "social scarecrow for the bourgeois" - an example for the rest in the form of the USSR.

[ivan2022]

This is true. Billions of people benefited from the existence of the USSR. Both East and West. One people only learned nothing and understood nothing. Wanted "again the King."

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: ivan2022

One people only learned nothing and understood nothing. Wanted "again the King."

What is this? "Yes, Yes, No, Yes" - you know what I mean?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

What is this? "Yes, Yes, No, Yes" - you know what I mean?

And how many of them were in reality, if under the protocols they were able to collect hardly half of those who had the right to vote ...
But how they danced and sang ...

[Vladimir80]

Yeah, they got all sorts of benefits from the USSR, and when it began to fall apart, they pushed it to fall apart faster ... And people are always the same, they want to eat well ... And who is at the top is not so important to them - the king or the Central Committee.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And in the presence of a "social scarecrow for the bourgeois" - an example for the rest in the form of the USSR.

Yes, yes, as the Union disappeared, the bourgeois social sphere, trade unions and other benefits of the peoples began to die ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Doccor18

Yes, yes, as the Union disappeared, the bourgeois social sphere, trade unions and other benefits of the peoples began to die ...

Actually, yes, I started ... They just profited well due to the death of the USSR, which is why they didn’t turn off this business, for the time being.

[Bolt cutter]

so the bourgeois social sphere began to die

Alive and well in all developed countries.

[parusnik]

In Russia, capitalism was under socialism.

Socialism is just a transitional period, from capitalism to communism, and in its form provides for a multistructural economy and social guarantees for the population in various fields. It was so multi-structural under Stalin, but Khrushchev destroyed this multi-structural structure to dust. As a result, we received state capitalism with social guarantees, there was a rollback, as a result of which an uncontrolled, parallel shadow economy arose, representatives of this economy merged with the authorities, demands grew, social guarantees did not suit, hindered the further development of this economy and, as a result, the results on the face, counter-revolutionary coups and now we have what we have.

[Non-fighter]

Capitalism is full-fledged with a developed trade union movement

He worked in one office "You are a member (of a trade union) - YOU ARE FIRED!!!"

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: ivan2022

Capitalism is complete

Was about 150 years ago. And now it's rotten shit that is leading the whole world to disaster. And no union will change that.

[rotmistr60]

at the same time, no one tried Chubais

First, in the 90s, Chubais was necessary for the collapse of the country, later, as a lightning rod for the population, and when he worked out his "resource" they let him leave in peace - he deserved it. And how many more such "Chubais" are there in the country so far?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: rotmistr60

And how many more such "Chubais" are there in the country so far?

There are few of them in the country ... they are all in Moscow ...

[Boris55]

Quote: A. Kozyreva

And on December 19, the head of state signed a federal law that establishes a minimum wage of 2023 rubles for 16.

Tell me, does this law, adopted by the Duma and approved by the Federation Council, contradict the Constitution? No.
So what are your claims to the president? Why don't you blame the Duma and the Federation Council for this? There is a specific person (fraction, committee) who introduced a bill on this topic - what is his full name?

The Constitution of the Russian Federation. Art. 105.
"1. Federal laws are adopted by the State Duma.
2. Federal laws are adopted by a majority of votes of the total number of deputies of the State Duma, unless otherwise provided by the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
3. The federal laws adopted by the State Duma shall be submitted within five days to the Federation Council for consideration.
4. A federal law is considered approved by the Federation Council if more than half of the total number of members of this chamber voted for it, or if ...."

The President does not pass Laws - this is done by the Duma. The President issues Decrees.

The President's signature under the Law means only that it (the Law) does not contradict the Constitution.
The law enters into force only after its publication in the media. Do you have any complaints about the media?

[parusnik]

The President does not pass Laws - this is done by the Duma. The President issues Decrees.

Flies, (Decrees) separately, meatballs (federal laws) separately? That is, according to your statements, in the Russian Federation there are two branches of the legislature? Do the President and the Duma act independently, independently from each other?

[Boris55]

Quote: parusnik

Are there two branches of the legislature in Russia?

Legislative (the one that adopts laws) - one. The President, like any other member of the Duma, has the right to initiate legislation. There is a Duma, which was elected by the people, and there is a president, whom the same people elected. In this regard, they are equivalent - they act on behalf of the people. Presidential decrees are subject to execution.

[Sergej1972]

Decrees of the President must comply with the Constitution and laws of the Russian Federation. The hierarchy is as follows: the Constitution of the Russian Federation, constitutional laws, laws, Decrees of the President.

[Sergej1972]

The President of the Russian Federation has the right to veto the law and send it for reconsideration. The veto is overridden by two-thirds of the votes of the deputies. The President cannot reject only constitutional laws, because they are, by definition, adopted by at least a two-thirds majority.

[Ivan Ivanov_7]

All the time I am surprised at the "authors", have they never traveled to the people? Yes, children are now just poor and give birth! They don’t even think about what they will feed because of! They get money for them ... But the rich, on the other hand ...

[awdrgy]

They give birth, but there are "penny" - one large family for two or three Khrushchevs.

[awdrgy]

It is not clear what the article is for. Everyone already knows about this. Much more interesting than it all ends.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: awdrgy

Much more interesting than it all ends.

It will end in disaster. Anyway. There are too few of us left and the age groups are too skewed towards the elderly for things to be different.

[awdrgy]

Already a disaster. Apparently I didn't express myself correctly. -How will it end?

[bandabas]

Surprisingly, the terms of retirement on harmful lists were left at the same level, and five years earlier when working in the "norths". But, as they say, "it's not yet evening." Under the mute they will get to this.

[bober1982]

By the way, poverty is a gift of God, but one should not rely on one's poverty, in the sense that poverty supposedly will guarantee salvation.
Poverty is nothing but moderation in everythingso teach the great Fathers of the Church.

[Maks1995]

Write, don't write - Putin said, there will be no USSR 2. And point.
Putin has also been fighting poverty for 23 years. Orders and Orders...
And despite the decline in the country's population, poverty of 17,5%? like it was recently 12%? and in 0x -20%??
Sobyanin: There are 15 million extra people in Russia - I also remembered. But at least not 30, like the approximate GDP of Chubais.

Alas. "The piglet is small, not enough for everyone." folk wisdom. An unprecedented increase in wages was announced several times only in Moscow (it is clear to whom), and "there is no life outside the Moscow Ring Road" is a well-known wisdom.
but food and housing and communal services for 2 years have risen in price by one and a half times. But... that's off topic.

[depressant]

The country with the highest birth rate is Niger. If we want to improve it in Russia, then we need to adopt the demographic policy of this particular country

Is this a bad joke?
Just look at the map! The average annual temperature in Niger is +33 degrees! There, people go around all year round lightly dressed, and small children run around naked! ..
We, the Slavs, have half a year - a cold winter, another three months - dank weather, and only three summer months more or less. Based on this, compare the costs of the most modest clothes for a child in Russia and in Niger. Not to mention the most modest clothing for adults. Given our miserable wages. In a young family, in order to survive and not walk around in cast-offs from a garbage dump (and people who understand our situation regularly leave such cast-offs near garbage cans), both the wife and husband should work, even if their parents can help them, who in turn also in a tense financial situation. And this I noted only one of the reasons for the low birth rate among the Slavs - too high costs for a child in a cold climate, creating an irreparable gap in the budget of a family in which the mother is still in childbearing age.

[nickname7]

Niger +33

The eternal summer in the poor villages of Nigeria also creates problems, swarms of flies and unsanitary conditions.

We, the Slavs, have a cold winter for half a year.
Based on this, compare the costs of the most modest clothes for a child in Russia and in Niger.

No, la, la, but where did the Slavs 100 and 500 years ago take warm clothes during a long winter? Considering that families had 7-15 children. A whole kindergarten for each family. Something in your statements does not converge.

both wife and husband must work, even if their parents can help them,

First, they take out a loan to go to Thailand and another loan to buy an iPhone and start squealing that it’s hard to repay loans, they say, we live badly.
It's a matter of mentality, not money, the Slavs in the past did not suffer from materialism, they had enough of a little, the elders first nursed the brothers, and when they got married, they switched to nurse their children without interruption. And the current person suffers that last year's iPhone is outdated.

[AdAstra]

If there were enough funds, they would suffer no worse than us. They just lived in subsistence farming "you can't go to the store for bread and a new dress", and in order to cultivate the field, you still need more people than one, plus the survival rate of children was not so good, so I had to give birth to 5 so that at least 2 survived. And the climate, oh, how it plays its role, whatever you say there.

[Fabrizio]

And the climate, oh, how it plays its role, whatever you say there.

In Nigeria, with their summer all year round, infant mortality is high.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: nickname7

Considering that families had 7-15 children.

It is a myth. With a high mortality rate of shitty medicine and shitty food, most families did not have so many children.

[Thrush]

In fairness, in 1 photo a fairly non-poor family, in 2 photos it is very prosperous.
As far as I remember, in Sholokhov's novel "Virgin Soil Upturned" there is a description of a poor family with many children, where there is not only warm clothes, but in principle there were not enough clothes for everyone. The little children stayed at home all winter.
Another example is my grandmother, born in 1937 from the village of Pyanda, Arkhangelsk region. There were more than 5 children in the family. The first boots were bought to her only at the age of 6. Before that, she also either sat at home, or in bast shoes, or took from the elders to take a walk in the winter.
So, as you noted, "no need for la-la." Anything happened.

[AdAstra]

It's true, but some people don't understand it.

[Bolt cutter]

only one of the reasons for the low birth rate among the Slavs

What about the Anglo-Saxons and Scandinavians? And the Celts? And the Italians, where the climate is quite good? No, the reasons are different. Yes, and in Niger, solar heat is not at all divine grace - there is no water, not to mention the fact that only plants can feed on sunlight.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: depressant

In a young family, in order to survive and not walk around in cast-offs from a garbage dump (and people who understand our situation regularly leave such cast-offs near garbage cans), both the wife and husband should work, even if their parents can help them, who in turn also in a tense financial situation.

I gave you a plus despite the fact that you still do not understand the real reason for the shitty demographics.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: depressant

And this I noted only one of the reasons for the low birth rate among the Slavs - too high costs for a child in a cold climate

And the main reason is the lack of positive prospects for the future, the lack of confidence that TOMORROW will be AT LEAST NOT WORSE THAN TODAY!

[Skorin]

Ross 42, namely, positive prospects for the future for the majority of the country's population, and I would add, the impossibility of influencing current events in any way. Moreover, events occur in general, in fact, unexpectedly for the population ... you don’t have to look far for examples: the same emergency increase in the retirement age, SVO, etc., etc., etc. All this, coupled with declining incomes, does not contribute to solving the country's demographic problems.

[AVESSALOM]

You can talk a lot, promise, order, but the essence of this will not change. Capitalism, a system that is inherently vicious. All these "incentives" and so on are poultices for a terminally ill person. Who cursed the damned communists at rallies in the late 80s? you are now?

[Knell wardenheart]

"the goal of the socialist economy is to ensure the well-being and comprehensive development of all members of society through the most complete satisfaction of their constantly growing material and cultural needs, achieved through the continuous growth and improvement of socialist production on the basis of scientific and technological progress"

BookAffic. So many bukaffok spawned leftists in their time that I'm far from them.
Their well-being was ensured by a shortage and separate supply, different from their point of view of the usefulness of the population. Let some of this be formed "de facto", but the progress of such development indicates that a powerful system does not interfere with such trends - and therefore these are words on a piece of paper.

all-round development of all members of society through the most complete satisfaction of their ever-growing material and cultural needs

And the needs were either "drawn" in the direction necessary for the party, or absolutely not caught up with the planning institutions. Otherwise, I cannot explain the growing shortage of book production, the inability to phase out temporary houses and communal apartments on a state scale (even in the era of maximum economic and industrial power), the inability to adequately cover the needs of the population in modern technology and well-organized production of Western "copy-paste" like products consumer goods (I mean the line of action that "reached" the Turks, Vietnamese, Chinese, but stubbornly did not reach the USSR sages)

achieved through the continuous growth and improvement of socialist production

Meanwhile, labor productivity was steadily falling (relative to the level of developed states), production technologies either degraded or developed in the wrong directions from an economic point of view. In 1989, the economy of the USSR was overtaken and overtaken by the economy of Japan - a country with more than half the population and an insignificant (relative to the size of the USSR) territory.
It's also about the

based on scientific and technological progress

. The base by that time, although it outwardly showed fierce potency, was thoroughly dilapidated from an organizational point of view, and often from a technological one. A progressive stagnation has settled in the science of the USSR, coming from the archaism of the structures of its relations with industry and the economy, the complexity and twisting of the system for exchanging data and technologies within the state, taken out of the framework of reasonable hierarchy and counterproductive dominance of party-political approaches to things.
A number of areas were affected by these trends to a lesser extent, but the complex problem was taking catastrophic turns. Huge research institutes lost flexibility or even the ability to solve scientific problems within a reasonable time - or within the system, dissonance arose in the work of the chains of such research institutes, unable to organize themselves to solve large problems within a reasonable framework according to plans (also, by the way, more and more mediocre).
Fierce cramps arose more and more often in the direction of the development of microelectronics and space - from the 70s and until the collapse.

I do not like to savor all this - I only point out that the leftists have not coped with the tasks that they themselves put at the forefront. The second economy of the planet became the third, and its inhabitants did not have enough razors, toilet paper and relevant printed products, comfortable housing.
Their needs were in no way inferior to those of the West, but the gap and then the separation of the dynamics of their coverage indicated that the system was "nishmogl", without even really understanding for almost 20 years that it was "nishmogl" and that problems were growing.
In the end, the USSR completely ceased to understand what was happening and where it was going - half a million KGB states let an array of malware into politics and humbly looked at their subversive activities.
It all ended badly.

[AVESSALOM]

Not mythical "leftists", but real Trotskyists after the 1953 coup. And such degenerates, like you, whose parents the Soviet Power pulled from the bottom (and you don't need to write that you are a descendant of nobles, wealthy kulaks or technical intelligentsia) and gave them everything, including the opportunity to raise you, and give you an education, I can’t stand it. It was you and people like you who brought down the country for the opportunity to wipe your ass with soft paper.

[Petya Kuzmin]

The demographic hole really began with Khrushch, since 1964 the total birth rate in the RSFSR fell below the reproduction mark of 2,1, and since then Russia has been dying out.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

without even really understanding for almost 20 years that she was "nishmogla" and that the problems were growing.

The system understood this. No need la-la. And she tried to do something. But it turned out not to be so simple. It is always difficult to go first, and when you are pulled back by the remnants of previous social formations and external enemies are strong, then in the end everything ends badly. But we do not live the last day. And yet I hope the communist idea will win before the supporters of correct capitalism ruin humanity.

[Knell wardenheart]

Let's go point by point..

The system understood this.

- The Soviet system did not understand shit! Tools that promote understanding as such and analysis and encouragement to make chains of decisions were blotted out by Stalin and, for the most part, blotted out. Because the comrade loved absolute power. What did it result in? The fact that under Stalin everyone "smiled and waved", supporting "Lysenkoshchina", "Yezhovshchina", various execution processes and other nonsense and immorality. If Iosif Vissarionovich wished to exterminate all the redheads in the USSR (for example) - and then they would have digested it wonderfully, without a shadow of criticism and taking it for granted. As a result, when Stalin ended - "SUDDENLY" it turned out that all those in power were incredibly oppressed by the "crimes of Stalinism" - but they didn't do a damn thing about it, of course. This is an example of the "Soviet-style understanding" you indicated. When it seems to be kumar, but everyone has happy faces and nothing happens in the field of combating what is kumar.
The second example is Mr. Khrushchev with his operation "Anadyr" and corn-rocket-milk-meat-virgin experiments. He got everyone to the region and put the economy in the pose of a river dweller. And again - everyone "understood" everything. So much so that under Khrushchev everyone sat in silence and supported. As it ended, he became such and such, a "voluntarist". But sit another 10 years - and everyone would be "satisfied."
Next, we have the Brezhnev stagnation, where everyone also "understood" everything, then everyone "understood" under Gorbachev, well, they understood it as a result. So there were problems with the understanding of what was happening in the USSR, at least with that part of the understanding that encourages the correction of idiotic or harmful directions.

Don't la la

- my task is not to trample relish on the bones of the USSR, but to point out the TRADITIONAL ERRORS of our "assemblies" that sink the ship over and over again. Here, the commentator above you does not even understand what exactly ruined the country, and there are millions of them. These people firmly believe that a healthy system full of potency could be "filled up" by a group of some kind of muddy uncles, but not giant holes and jambs over which no one has worked for years.

And she tried to do something. But it wasn't all that simple.

-
the mantra about "not everything is so simple" is our traditional excuse for all occasions. Difficult things can be decomposed into simple components and explained articulately. If a person cannot do this, he is unable to work with it in principle. Our authorities never bothered to justify their decisions to ordinary people - and as a result, growing chaos and voluntarism always stood behind this, which some "devout believers" as a rule always explained by some kind of cunning "multi-move".

It is always difficult to go first, and even when you are pulled back by the remnants of previous social formations

- The USSR was destroyed by people who did not see the "previous" formations in that country. Often these were even the children of those who did not find it themselves. So this is a weak argument.

And about the "communist idea" - the general idea is good, but as soon as it gets to the details, it becomes gloomier and gloomier. "Reforging a man" is magical, but what if he doesn't want to be "reforged"? If he has a life that suits him, with what he inherited from his ancestors and what he earned himself? It is the question of what to do with those who disagree puts all the most beautiful and delicate leftist ideas on the same level as others, such as "capitalism". Because there is also a dull line "to take away", "to force", "to force", "to oblige".

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

- The Soviet system did not understand shit!

And that is why it was reformed all the time, starting with Lenin and ending with Gorbachev?

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Here, the commentator above you does not even understand what exactly ruined the country, and there are millions of them.

You don't understand either. Even I don't understand much.

[Knell wardenheart]

And that is why it was reformed all the time, starting with Lenin and ending with Gorbachev?

Remind me the final result of these reforms) Intermediate ones were also impressive, given that the gap in living standards between us and the West grew and did not decrease or did not remain stable.

You don't understand either. Even I don't understand much.

I understand the principle because of which everything eventually "reached the handle." Of course, the details and many nuances are unknown to me, but the essence lies at the very top - the second or third economy of the planet with an almost complete cycle of industrial production and a powerful scientific school, has brought itself to a state of denial of reality and related things, plunging into insanity and verbiage. And that the prerequisites for this were still under Stalin. This is what is called a "growing systemic crisis." In my opinion, these phenomena are connected with the deliberate cutting off of the discussion-opposition mechanisms for controlling the adequacy of decisions and the desire for hyper-centralization. As a result, a system was built, in which people who were unable to "embrace and be in time" possessed ABSOLUTE completeness of power. Their modest abilities and personal "peculiarities" were definitely not enough both for this and for the formation of a circle of "special representatives" responsible for directions and at the same time competent. In turn, these representatives, not being comprehensively talented, did not have the opportunity and / or the will to qualitatively reform the areas delegated to them with sufficient quality, or individual capable representatives found themselves inside a bone and generally indifferent-demagogic environment that fettered their work (and the fate of individual representatives of this directions like Furtseva show this very well).
Over time, the situation worsened - these people firmly occupied their places and, being incapable for the most part, started a whole zoo of careerist deputies, each of whom also tried to stabilize his position, while being "squeezed" into a system that did not shine with intellect and highly inertial. Negative selection in such conditions did its job - and those who most closely corresponded to survival in such an environment (strictly according to Darwin's laws) were "delayed" - unscrupulousness, the ability to grind the right speeches and solve tactical, "momentary" tasks, without pressing at the same time " up".

The collapse came when these metastatic phenomena reached certain managerial strata, completely devoid of "internal feedback". It was probably a layer "four handshakes before the head of state." Their power was enough to “tear” their piece in abundance, but it was absolutely not enough for some kind of cardinal reformation of “inconveniences”, because their signals did not reach the top (through 2 higher layers). When, thus, a critical part of these managers was replaced by kleptocrats and unsubscribers, the system lost the "eyes" and "hands" of the bureaucracy, its actual uncontrollability set in.

As for a certain point at which the system was the most "healthy" (and what the Stalinists love to lead to) - the system was not healthy there either. Stalin really managed to build a fairly rigid structure, he really, often, relied on deputies capable of interacting and making decisions to maintain it. Stalin + the immediate environment "more or less" represented what they were building and what state the system was in "at the moment." However, the depravity of all this lay in the depths - he created a system full of internal tension and discontent (in technical terms, a certain strength limit of the structure was reached), it was the power of fear and lawlessness, squeezing the personal initiative of lower-level managers, accustoming them to act when a SPECIFIC signal arrives above and only then.
Most of the participants (who had some kind of power) did NOT like the system, and the "manual mode" itself began to sag hard over the years of the "supreme". With its end, the disadvantages of such a system remained, and the "pros" were gradually corroded by the process that I wrote about above.
As a result, a vertically sharpened structure was built and, moreover, annoying most of the participants in any way possessing power. Under Stalin, this was laid down and created, under Khrushchev it was fixed as a vector, under Brezhnev it was brought to the absolute.

[Foul skeptic]

Remind me the final result of these reforms) Intermediate ones were also impressive, given that the gap in living standards between us and the West grew and did not decrease or did not remain stable.

1) Not a very good argument - with this approach, human life is also meaningless, since the end result is the same.
2) And how do you calculate the gap (especially in such a heterogeneous "west")?

[Knell wardenheart]

The gap is calculated according to the laws similar to physical ones. There is a system A and a system B - and if something flows from system A into system B - then level B is lower than the level of system A. If the pressure during such a flow is downright horse, then the difference, respectively, is more significant.

This analogy roughly describes the disproportion of the human flow FROM the USSR (outside) and IN the USSR, as well as the growing disproportion of the commodity flow, on which the hosts of black marketeers rose fiercely.

The USSR did not create a COLLECTIVELY more attractive system for life than the Western one. On separate elements yes, I admit. But TOTALLY - no, and that is what created the disproportion of pressure. It is long and tedious to list the factors influencing this disparity, I only point out the certainty of the phenomenon itself. Scientists, athletes, artists left - the part that could do it one way or another. Someone could not and loosened the system from the inside, like a teapot with a sealed spout.

By the word "west" I mean the USA-Europe - the flagships of the capitalist world of those years. For reasons of national mentality, Japan cannot be included in this list, and it is not in the west either :-)

[Foul skeptic]

The gap is calculated according to the laws similar to those of physics.

Is that allowed? After all, every law of physics, even in what is directly related to physics, has limits of applicability and boundary conditions of applicability, since the law is just a model. In general, you decided to draw an analogy with another sphere of being - sociological.

There is system A and system B - and if something flows from system A to system B - then the level of B is lower than the level of system A.

And why do you consider a higher level of "substance" transfer between systems to be a higher level of the system?

The USSR did not create a COLLECTIVELY more attractive system for life than the Western one.

Attractiveness is a subjective concept. Which again, for some reason, is presented as a more competent social development.

By the word "west" I mean the USA-Europe - the flagships of the capitalist world of those years.

That is, here you decided to forget about "laws similar to physical ones."

[cpls22]

Demography has nothing to do with the standard of living.
Fertility depends only on the mentality, aimed either at the interests of society / community, or at individual interests.
When the values ​​​​of individualism are at the forefront - they will slow down the birth rate, because the child is a competitor, an obstacle to individual plans - he demands to sacrifice them.
Therefore, in the West and in our country (until we give up its values) there will be no increase in the birth rate, no matter how you make hothouse conditions for it. This does not mean that you have to be poor. You just need to change the hierarchy of values.

[Alexander Evgenievich F]

Rosstat estimated the level of poverty in Russia in January-September 2022. According to statistical estimates, 17,2 million people in the country live with incomes below the subsistence level. And they are unlikely to want to have many children or even one child.
Nonsense, not speculation. author, why is the highest birth rate in the poorest countries of Asia, Africa and Latin America, and the lowest birth rate in the richest countries such as Great Britain, Switzerland, Sweden and the Benelux countries? As for poverty, around the world, from 15-20% of the population of rich countries live below the poverty line, and from 30 to 70% in the poorest countries, in Russia this figure is 12-13%

[Vadim Topal Pasha]

The author, in general, in a rush to lick the anus of the authorities, broke away, like the authorities themselves, from reality.

If you follow the thoughts of the author, then the Russian peasants, in principle, should not have given birth, because there was hunger at least once every five years, health care is not available a priori, and so on. However, the population was growing.

And the birth rate is directly dependent on the ability to give birth to a female who has forgotten about her biological duty. Where feminism and the oppression of men under the slogans of "equality", there is the extinction of society.

And there are no examples of the opposite from the word "absolutely".

If the peasants were given at least equal rights in terms of the rights to children, then simple reproduction could somehow be obtained.

[VLR]

You may be surprised, but one of the negative demographic factors is the widespread introduction of Barbie dolls. Because old Soviet dolls and traditional dolls of all countries in general are babies that need to be taken care of. And girls associate Barbie with themselves: dressing up, dressing her, "buying" a house for her, a car, "finding" Ken for her, they, in fact, mentally do all this for themselves. Since kindergarten, they have been building a consumer model of the future, where there is no place for children (they will interfere with a beautiful life), but there is a place for expensive resorts, iPhones of the latest brands, diamonds - as a reward for aggressive-bitchy .. knowledgeable behavior. In "Comedy Wumen" there was a successful miniature on this occasion: one woman says - I learned how to cook a new pie, the second - I learned to sew something, and the third declares: "And I made myself s...ski". And that's it - you don't need any pies or sewing, that's enough.

[FromTheOtherSide]

Corruption + sanctions + mobilization + thousands of men killed in sensless war + no hope for economical grow, cos Russia was marked as "bad guy" in the west = more poverty, more crime = it doesn't make Russia the best place to have children.
You should invest in infrastructure, hospitals, schools, factories, fighting corruption, not starting war.

[runway-1]

How did the vote in the third reading on raising the retirement age go:

The Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Just Russia and the Liberal Democratic Party opposed the adoption of the law and agreed that it is aimed at taking money from the poor

[16112014nk]

Valuev about 4 years ago answered a pensioner who complained of poverty:
"There is no shame in being poor"...
In his own words, he expressed the opinion of the deputies, and of the entire government of the home-grown bourgeois.

[Fangaro]

From 2000 to present...
In the provinces in the North-West of the Russian Federation it was different. And the artificial privatization of the initially regional vodka plant, and the victory of the Liberal Democratic Party in the elections, and the emergence of the "correct" Governor, and the creation of the SEZ with the recent remote opening of the first plant, which is still being completed ...
Poverty, in and of itself, is not a vice.
The contrast between poverty and power, a drunkard lying in one of the parks of the regional center and a minibus with an employee of the Regional Administration passing by - this is where not a vice begins, but a threshold.
Between the population and those who govern the population.
Although... Managers can do what they can. The Federal Center did not finance the creation of new enterprises and jobs - so another citizen appeared who, instead of going to work, went and drank vodka in the morning.

[All_Good]

The main author hates Chubais, but there is no Putin and the team. One brigade then, but the author believes that since Putin instructed to achieve that, then everything will be fine. But he did not instruct how to achieve it, so nothing will happen. Reasoning is, of course, primitive.

[Petya Kuzmin]

If you believe the data of Rosstat, then the average salary in Russia for 2022. about 62t.r.
Probably cheating, issuing beautiful reports.

[Yaroslavl]

And with such simply shameful indicators as a minimum wage of $ 300, a complete failure in social policy, but in everything .... we went somewhere to clean up) bravo!

[Illanatol]

Quote: Doccor18

Many examples prove that the financial well-being of a family does not affect its large number of children in any way.

Actually, it does. Our oligarchs are quite large, by the way.
In short, an increase in the material standard of living does not in itself contribute to an increase in the number of children in the family, but it can give full play to the factors that lead to an increase in the birth rate (and survival rate) of children. So to say, the condition is necessary, but in itself insufficient.
And it is necessary to achieve not only the number of children, but also the quality of this offspring. Those. children should receive full-fledged upbringing, education, etc. To follow the "Afghan scenario" is to go to a dead end. Since Afghanistan, despite the demographic dynamics, the predominance of young people, is not noticed in the successes of technological, scientific, cultural. Classic "bad land", stuck in the century before last.

[Alexander_Dneprovsky]

Mat. capital is good, but very little. We need a full-fledged state. program. For example, a family enters the program with one child, temporarily receives support with housing and benefits, has another child, support continues and increases. To receive maximum assistance, for example, after 10 years of participation in the program, you need to have 4 children. Funds for the program will be taken from the progressive tax and the tax on childlessness.
We also need high-quality and aggressive propaganda against large families and censorship of childlessness.

[evgen1221]

Mat capital is a good tool and it helped a lot of mothers to move to the second third. It's a strange thing that he will play to the fullest when there are kindergartens designed for such a horde of children and staff, and this has been for 15 years of continuous distribution of capital and construction. And without money, poor students will not multiply.

[seacap]

The question immediately arises, who was responsible for the nonsense and the coronation scam, which caused damage to both demography and the economy comparable to a good war? The issue of investigations, etc., is not even considered, all these priests with Golikovs, Sobyanins, Grefs, etc., who, with their insanely wild measures and orders, essentially arranged the genocide of the people, direct sabotage in the economy to the applause of the gates and du Ponts, they all continue sleep softly and eat sweetly, in honor and glory, having received their "silver pieces". And, I forgot, in our inherited class society, the upper class, the so-called. the elites are freed from any responsibility for the results of their decisions and actions, the "vertical" where they do not hand over their own. For them, the model of statehood is the Republic of Ingushetia from the time of Nicholas II, but it would not be superfluous for them to remember, and whoever doesn’t know, to find out how the Emperor’s family and many more of his entourage ended up and eventually paid for such a model.
For such activities, mediocrity and insolvency of the "gifted" from the elite, and more often direct betrayal, for its intellectual degradation, in our country for thousands of years, for some reason, the people always end up paying, despised by their own elites, and the lands are abundantly shed with blood Russian soldier. Every 100 years we destroy our state to the ground, the whole world at our expense and the plunder of our resources solves its problems, and we, having reached the edge of the abyss, begin, breaking off the navels, getting rid of the "self-proclaimed tsars and boyars", raise our almost lost country.

[evgen1221]

From an evolutionary point of view, for the progress of science and the population as a whole, basic and other needs must always be slightly undersatisfied. And the availability of resources will also be on this list. Prosperity and any whim on the target gives rise to universal boredom and lack of pleasure from achieving the goal (endorphins), which, in turn, pulls you to search for perversions and sharp moments in order to get this pleasure and endorphins, and the farther the more perverted if you give the green light. Also, prosperity generates stagnation in thinking until its complete degradation. So healthy asceticism did no harm to anyone.

[Illanatol]

Quote: evgen1221

Mat capital is a good tool and it helped a lot of mothers to move to the second third. It’s a crazy thing that he will play to the fullest when there are kindergartens designed for such a horde of children and staff,

In the Russian Federation, a quite predictable decline in the birth rate is already taking place. The generation of the 90s entered the reproductive period ... and what happened to the birth rate then? Then there were fewer children, now they have grown up and we have fewer potential parents. I'm afraid the new kindergartens are no longer so relevant ...

[OLEG CZIGANOV]

What is the point of discussing this, on all sites, on all forums people complain, criticize, express a negative opinion, but no one takes into account that the president knows about all these problems and the authorities are making efforts and providing assistance to the population. The fact that the president knows, he has known it for 22 years, before that Yeltsin also knew what was done for this, and a lot was done, 117 oligarchs appeared and huge efforts were made over 30 years and in the end they successfully coped with this to destroy the Soviet heritage, the destruction of enterprises, social, educational spheres, health care, in addition, billions of dollars have been successfully withdrawn to other countries, the country's gold and foreign exchange reserves, this is all done as the great Chubais bequeathed. We have been complaining and complaining for 30 years, and like zombies we again choose this government. So who is to blame for all this, we ourselves are to blame. The president's rating is now in the order of 80%, everyone is happy with everything, what the hell are you complaining about. In the year 23, the presidential elections in Russia should take place and the majority will again vote for this government, than a flock of sheep

[Artashes]

There is NOTHING new in these arguments. Almost crying Yaroslavna, and "as old as the world." France ALL AGAIN stood up (and its overseas regions) against their pennies. reforms. Probably because the majority of the people there are aware of themselves as a nation and have their own dignity. Plus, the opposition there is REAL, unites when it is needed. There is something and with whom to compare ...

[Illanatol]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

The USSR did not create a COLLECTIVELY more attractive system for life than the Western one. On separate elements yes, I admit. But TOTALLY - no, and this is what created the disproportion of pressure.

The problem is that your comparison is not correct.
You cannot compare a whole system with a part of a (privileged) other system.
The Soviet system is precisely a system; it is integral and completely independent. The USA, Western Europe, Japan (and a number of others) are only part of the world capitalist system. So to speak, the tip of the iceberg. And for a small part of the iceberg to be above water, most of it must be under water. In order for a selected part of the capitalist (imperialist) countries to prosper, enjoying all the benefits of civilization, the rest of the world capital system ("Third World") must live in poverty, providing the privileged with cheap resources (raw materials, energy, labor force).
And the way and standard of living in the countries of underdeveloped capitalism is such that the inhabitants there could well envy Soviet citizens.

In general, comparing the USSR with any Western country would not be correct.
Let me remind you the rule of correct comparison: "It is correct to compare two systems according to a given parameter only if the other parameters of the systems are similar or differ within the statistical error."
What did we have in common with Western countries? Starting conditions? Climate with geography? The similarity of historical processes (equally suffered from wars, for example)?

Well, how we became more successful by changing the "ism" - there is no point in discussing it. Brezhnev's "stagnation" in comparison with the current "revival" is beginning to be perceived as a "Golden Era".