The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation plans to order six frigates at the upcoming Army-2023 forum

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation plans to order six frigates at the upcoming Army-2023 forum

The Russian Ministry of Defense is considering the possibility of signing a contract for the construction of six warships. Contracts can be concluded at the upcoming Army-2023 forum. We are talking about six frigates of the 22350 and 22350M types.

As the TASS, referring to a source in the military-industrial complex, the order is likely to be received by the Amur Shipbuilding Plant.



The frigates are designed for operations in the far sea zone and will be part of the Pacific fleet The Russian Navy.

The Amur Shipbuilding Plant specializes in the construction of corvettes and small missile ships. Frigates were not dealt with here, and therefore, large-scale preparations are underway at the plant for the possible construction of warships of this class.

According to some reports, the first frigate of Project 22350M will be built this year. In total, the RF Ministry of Defense plans to replenish the domestic Navy with 12 modernized 22350M frigates. It is expected that these warships will receive an impressive combat payload - about 50 Zircon, Onyx or Caliber cruise missiles; SAM "Polyment-Redut"; anti-submarine and torpedo weapons.

The frigate type 22350 began to be developed in 2003, and in 2010 the first ship of this series, the Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov, was launched.
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  1. +14
    2 February 2023 08: 43
    And without a forum, in the working order, there is no way to do this? All the time some pompous occasions are needed ...
    1. +5
      2 February 2023 08: 47
      for the construction of six warships
      A very necessary thing! Totally agree ! good
      1. 0
        2 February 2023 09: 09
        Right now, the edge is right? Do we have land-based communications simply the best of all? We have no place to put all sorts of modern shells and drones? We are all just chocolate at the DB theater and money and capacities of free shaft?
        Does our fleet on the Black Sea help the army and is it already ready to liberate Odessa, or are they just shooting rockets from the piers?
        Well, you need to pull a piece of the naval blanket over yourself, how can admirals live without battleships and oh frigates? Here are just the Ushakovs and the Nakhimovs, and even Kolchak is not visible.
        And why at the moment the frigates are not clear.
        1. +11
          2 February 2023 09: 28
          Shipyards can build a limited set of vehicles.
          Russia is largely surrounded by the ocean, ships are needed
          You can’t just close a plant and dismiss specialists in order to redirect money to more necessary areas. Specialists can simply go abroad.
          1. 0
            2 February 2023 14: 44
            Let hovercraft be built now urgently. They have never built frigates yet, it will take decades to prepare and build, and landing hovercraft may already be needed this year for landing in Odessa, Nikolaev and forcing the Dnieper in the Kherson region. What the hell is going on with our military planning?
            1. +1
              2 February 2023 19: 04
              It is corrected, planning. Finally, they will begin to build a balanced fleet. Why do you need a boat? So that when the Americans start sinking or slowing down Russian tankers, bulk carriers and gas carriers, you and people like you shout about the shame of the Russian fleet?
        2. Hog
          +1
          2 February 2023 11: 15
          Well, yes, why should shipyards be loaded with orders, let them remake production for the production of "modern shells and drones" of business then, and then after a couple of years, remake everything in the opposite direction again. But there will be no one to work there.
          PS: Thanks to such "effective managers" our life is not boring.
          1. +2
            2 February 2023 12: 44
            Yes, there will definitely be no one to work soon, there will definitely not be managers, there will be no technicians and locksmiths, turners and other machine operators.
            Finding a normal master in the workshop is a problem. They look at the drawing (not even the assembly part, just what kind of part) with round eyes, the designations are a mystery behind seven seals.
            1. +1
              3 February 2023 01: 13
              Locksmiths are now paid more in factories than managers. Unfortunately, engineers are sometimes paid 2-3 times less than locksmiths. Apparently, an army of programmers will have to be retrained ...
          2. 0
            2 February 2023 14: 46
            In general, you need to engage in production of what is needed in the first place and not what will be needed in decades. We can’t last decades if we don’t close the current needs
            1. +1
              2 February 2023 20: 32
              Quote from Alorg
              What the hell is going on with our military planning?

              Quote from Alorg
              production needs what is needed in the first place and not what will be needed in decades.

              Young man, do you really think that we will not need a Navy for a landing operation in the Odessa region ?? smile
              True ? lol
              Quote from Alorg
              hovercraft landing craft may already be needed this year for landing in Odessa,

              laughing Will you inflate these boats with air right now? How many such ships do you think the construction cycle is? And when was the last time we built them? No.
              Ships on our stocks of propulsion systems waited for several years. And so, we waited. therefore, new contracts, and those that the engines were waiting for, are being completed at an accelerated pace. In March, "Admiral Golovko" was handed over to the Navy. And they are preparing another 22350 for launching.
              The contract with the Amur Shipyard was long awaited, there for more than a year the stocks and equipment were being prepared for the laying of frigates. Now they will build there too - for the Pacific Fleet.
              Quote from Alorg
              We may not last decades

              Well, you pull as much as you can ... are you sick or what?
              The normal construction cycle of such ships (22350) is four to five years. Frigates 11356 - 3,5 years. From bookmarking to delivery to the customer. This is when everything is there, cooperation is established, funding is complete and without delay.
              And we have solved all the problems with the construction of such ships - and the air defense has long been brought to mind, and the serial power plants have gone rhythmically. And there were no other problems with their construction. And there is ENOUGH money in the country. So everything that is now contracted will be in service until the end of the decade. And Russia will still have a combat-ready Fleet.
        3. +3
          2 February 2023 11: 44
          Here are just the Ushakovs and the Nakhimovs, and even Kolchak is not visible
          - so without ships they will not be ...
          Shipyards will not make land communications for you, as well as shells with drones ...
        4. 0
          2 February 2023 12: 51
          Quote: saigon
          And why at the moment the frigates are not clear.

          And what, everything is fine with us? And in which case we will meet them on our shore? Do you know what is the distance between Russia and the USA in the Far East? Live one day comrade!
        5. +1
          2 February 2023 12: 58
          Quote: saigon
          And which one at the moment?
          For TOF! What is incomprehensible here!
        6. +4
          2 February 2023 14: 38
          Quote: saigon
          Does our fleet on the Black Sea help the army and is it already ready to liberate Odessa, or are they just shooting rockets from the piers?

          smile
          Quote: saigon
          And why at the moment the frigates are not clear.

          lol Isn't it funny yourself? Did your head spin from your own contradictions? laughing It’s necessary - to blame the Black Sea Fleet for its weakness and inability to conduct and ensure a landing operation ... as he didn’t mention about “Moscow” with outdated air defense ...
          And indeed - "why do we need frigates at the moment?" . laughing fool
          Or maybe the current problems of the Navy are precisely in the absence of modern ships of the main classes in service?
          And how to deal with it? winked
          Really ... they need to ... BUILD ?? belay

          And now seriously.
          The other day, it was announced that the first frigate pr. 22350 "Admiral Golovko" from the domestic power plant was put into service in March of this year.
          This power plant is the whole reason - why we have not built new ships for so many years, and why new contracts will be signed right now. And immediately to the frigates pr. 22350 and pr. 22350M.
          Just for the construction of such ships, power plants finally appeared.
          And this is good .
          By the way, the preparation of the Amur Shipyard for the construction of frigates 22350 and 22350M began more than a year ago, and now the signing of contracts has been announced.
          Quote: saigon
          Right now, the edge is right? Do we have land-based communications simply the best of all?

          And how does the construction of the Fleet relate to sloppiness and corruption in the Ground Forces?
          Quote: saigon
          money and capacities of free shaft?

          Money - ENOUGH.
          Capacities - ALSO. Our shipyards were not loaded even at half capacity, because without propulsion systems to build ships ... request it doesn’t work ... Or perhaps under sail.
          Quote: saigon
          We have no place to put all sorts of modern shells and drones?

          Send "modern shells" (guided) to the troops. As for drones...
          About the UAV. Strike and reconnaissance-strike.
          By mid-February, the troops will receive the second batch of reconnaissance and strike complexes "Pacer" this year. The first batch in January consisted of 8 (eight) complexes of 6 attack UAVs "Orion" in each. A total of 48 percussion "Orions". The second batch is expected in mid-February and will amount to 12 (twelve) reconnaissance and strike complexes "Pacer", a total of 72 strike "Orions". In total, by the end of February, the troops will have 20 Inokhodets complexes with 120 Orions as part of deliveries this year alone.
          If further monthly deliveries of the plant in Dubna will be 12 complexes (72 "Orions"), then you can do the arithmetic exercises yourself.
          I hope it’s not necessary to clarify the meaning of SUCH strike UAVs in offensive operations? About their role in identifying and destroying enemy military air defense systems, long-range artillery, self-propelled guns, tanks, operational and tactical level headquarters, warehouses, etc., etc., etc.
          Quote: saigon
          Well, you need to pull a piece of the blanket over yourself

          The production of ammunition, means of communication and equipment does not depend on the construction of ships, and more shells will not be added from the disarmament of the Fleet .... But to expose the sea areas, leave the areas of combat deployment of strategic nuclear forces naval assets without cover, let the enemy bring their ships for a salvo from the dagger range of the KR ... it's easy.
          If the Fleet is abandoned.
          And answer me Victor, why the hell are we then "Zircon" in service, if there are no carriers for it? No.
          Quote: saigon
          Here are just the Ushakovs and the Nakhimovs, and even Kolchak is not visible.

          And there will be smile then what? How many will they fight without warships?
          Need to think.
          1. 0
            2 February 2023 14: 51
            Have you come up with information about the number of Orions yourself? There isn't that many. They have been allegedly mass-producing for two years, but in fact they only make the appearance of production. There are no engines. Last year, due to the inability to establish production, the general director and general designer were fired
            1. +3
              2 February 2023 15: 40
              Quote from Alorg
              Last year, due to the inability to establish production, the general director and general designer were fired

              So maybe this is the reason for the current success?
              Quote from Alorg
              No engines.

              There are engines, and a whole line. Specially commissioned by the Russian Federation, it was developed in Germany by our former compatriots and transferred to the Russian Federation with the entire technical process and the right to own it. Factories in Russia have already been deployed and are working, production is getting better.
              This is a line of diesel aircraft engines for a whole line of UAVs and light aircraft. It’s just that production (both engines and UAVs) was just deployed and apparently there were delays in the issuance of serial products. You simply missed this news (including the transfer of the first batch of Inohodets (8 complexes) to the RF Armed Forces and the delivery of the next batch of 12 complexes in mid-February.
              For the Orion, it seems that the ammunition load was also finished (guided bombs, missiles). In the spring we will probably see them already in action.
              Quote from Alorg
              Two years have already been allegedly mass-produced,

              It is not true , there were no such statements . Less than a year ago, the plant in Dubna was completed. Setting up equipment, training recruited personnel, and here is the result.
        7. +2
          2 February 2023 19: 08
          Right now they are needed. You see, a large fleet is needed to protect maritime trade. And literally in the last 2 months our merchant fleet has increased by about 500 gas and oil carriers. Suddenly. Who will protect them from inspection, blocking and capture by the Americans? Soviet BODs, which will write everything off in 5 years? Or are you personally on a yacht with a gun?
        8. +2
          2 February 2023 23: 54
          Pologayu really need ocean carriers of Zircons. She needs to scare the American fleet in the ocean, and not from the coast or near it. Without such frigates, Zircon poses little threat.
      2. -2
        2 February 2023 10: 21
        [quote = Uncle Lee] [quote] for the construction of six warships [/ quote] A very necessary thing! Totally agree ! good[/ Quote
        What a bold, I would say - non-obvious conclusion! Bravo!!! Waiting for opponents... what
    2. 0
      2 February 2023 08: 50
      Amur Shipbuilding Plant is not ready. It is directly written to you in the text, and you whine
      1. 0
        3 February 2023 08: 01
        Quote from Avesev
        Amur Shipbuilding Plant is not ready.

        Amur Shipyard is PREPARING. Or what do you think is the readiness to lay down such ships? Have you seen his boathouses? Do you know what "Sarychi" (destroyers) were building there before?
        For the re-equipment of the CVD and the preparation of the plant for construction, a firm contract is required. And funding. Then tooling is made at the plant, equipment is purchased, additional specialists are recruited ... metal is ordered, contracts are concluded with suppliers of all components and accessories, metal cutting begins ... embedded sections are welded Yes ... and only after that does the official laying of the first ships and the solemn screwing of the mortgage board take place.
        And construction begins.

        On one of the slipways in the boathouse of the Amur Shipyard, an unfinished MAPL pr. 971 has been stuck since post-Soviet times. what It takes up space, does not bring any benefit, and the readiness is at least 70%.
        A good MAPL ... But the Navy lacks multi-purpose submarines. angry
        How so ?
        They didn’t pay for it with the plant ... the Fleet needs a boat ... it takes up space ... and not a single "wise" head thought that it would be necessary to COMPLETE it. And pass the Pacific Fleet! At the same time, the plant will receive MONEY, which, incl. will be able to use it for re-equipment and re-equipment of production ... pay off debts ... and free up (!!) space on the slipway for laying new ships - those very pr. 22350 and 22350M.
        And why it hasn't been done STILL... only Ahura Mazda knows.
        Maybe that ... it's time?
    3. +2
      2 February 2023 09: 05
      PR and propaganda with us are at a really high level .. and the authorities are very important .. in the same USSR, there was no strong need for them, therefore there wasn’t much news like that .. and we even only have a plan, it seems like already a result .. and then a bookmark, a hull, etc., etc. .. news from fifty can be drawn for one reason, as if they launched a squadron into the water ..
      1. +4
        2 February 2023 15: 51
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        PR and propaganda with us are at a really high level .. and the authorities are very important.

        This is yes, their PR runs ahead of every cart.
        But still, for the sake of justice - in March they hand over the "Golovko" to the Fleet, and this is surprising, because it only went out to the factory running gear ... and already finished the state. This year, the next frigate from the domestic power plant should be launched. And the rest of the buildings that were waiting on the stocks also went to the propulsion systems. Therefore, the conclusion of new contracts is not surprising - since their engines have appeared. I think that out of the six frigates announced, four will be 22350 with the Amur Shipyard, and two more 22350M will be laid in the new St. Petersburg boathouse.
        After all, there will be Zircon carriers, so each ship counts.
        Total 22350s ordered 10 pieces. Of these, two are in service, another in March, five corps on the stocks are waiting and receiving their power plants, two more frigates have been ordered, but not laid down - they are waiting for the vacancy on the stocks. And after the signing of new contracts, the Amur Shipyard will also start building them. So despite the PR, the news is encouraging and encouraging.
        hi
    4. +7
      2 February 2023 09: 11
      The contract is signed on the forum only formally.
      In fact, all the preparatory work has already been done, everything has been agreed upon, and so on.
      And the forum is just a beautiful platform where the Defense Ministry and the military-industrial complex will promote. Everything is absolutely correct.
      1. Hog
        +1
        2 February 2023 11: 26
        The contract is signed on the forum only formally

        Quietly, do not break a harmonious theory to a person, he tried so hard to invent it so that he would like it.
    5. +5
      2 February 2023 09: 21
      Quote: Gvardeetz77
      And without a forum, in the working order, there is no way to do this? All the time some pompous occasions are needed ...

      Like it or not, the order of six frigates of the 22350 and 22350M types is not an ordinary event for our country ... Although the USSR silently built, and even kept the increased secrecy, heavy nuclear missile cruisers of the 1144 Orlan project. For the first time I heard from my father that they were building such warships, wow! He spoke with admiration, the former commander of the destroyer type 30 bis. There was no information in the press or in the public domain. It's a pity .. Such were the times. But now is a different time. The people should know that the country lives, builds excellent fighting ships, roads, schools, factories, and at that time is fighting ... What information was widely available about Afghanistan, Angola, Korea, Vietnam, Syria, Egypt, Nicagarua .. Only rumors .. Whispers in the kitchen .. And if there was wide information for society, maybe the USSR would not collapse ... They didn’t reduce everything to a lack of chewing gum and jeans.
      1. +8
        2 February 2023 10: 29
        Quote: 30 vis
        Although they silently built in the USSR, and even kept the increased secrecy

        Moreover, secrecy exclusively for citizens of the USSR, in the Western special periodicals, sketches and performance characteristics of Soviet ships under construction appeared long before launching!
  2. +3
    2 February 2023 08: 44
    This is good news. good Cold War 2.0 has just begun. We must push the Eurofascists away from our shores.
  3. 0
    2 February 2023 08: 45
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation plans to order six frigates at the upcoming Army-2023 forum

    Here ... We can’t do it without “window dressing” ... But it’s IMPOSSIBLE to simply order and appoint six personal responsible persons from among the presidential retinue for each frigate to monitor the progress of work and the fulfillment of deadlines ?!
    1. +5
      2 February 2023 08: 49
      And you can not think that the date is not chosen because of the forum? And for example, because the Amur Shipbuilding Plant will be ready only by that time? Why are you all whiners
      1. +4
        2 February 2023 10: 32
        Quote from Avesev
        Why are you all whiners

        So why are you screaming like that? People are working, chopping cabbage ... and you are all good for them, but you strive to hand them ... ayayay!
      2. 0
        2 February 2023 11: 57
        Quote from Avesev
        And you can not think that the date is not chosen because of the forum?

        I'm not a whore from the boulevard for you to poke at me!
        Quote from Avesev
        And for example, because the Amur Shipbuilding Plant will be ready only by that time?

        Here is a neighbor who is in the southeast, does not make presentations and holds a parade once every ten years, and the pace of construction of the FLEET (in particular) is simply amazing ... I'm not talking about the development of other industries and the development of road infrastructure ...
        Quote from Avesev
        Why are you all whiners

        Look for whiners in the mirror (between classes in Russian). It is you who continue to tear button accordions and clap your hands - leavened patriots (clackers) - where there is NOTHING YET !!! where it is empty, as on the head of ... Well, you understand ...
        1. 0
          3 February 2023 07: 10
          I'll poke you as much as I want. And think of yourself as whoever you want. You you you.

          More about the neighbor. Don't you want to ask this neighbor for a couple of million souls so that industry begins to flourish in the Far East?
          In terms of the construction of the navy, Russia is third in the world, and it is not correct to compare with countries with more population and many times more money.

          I'll let you in on a secret. This is done on the forums, not only because it is a convenient date for which everything can be prepared in time. But also because it will attract a lot of attention. And the forum is primarily aimed at export.
    2. Hog
      +1
      2 February 2023 11: 30
      Here ... We cannot do without "window dressing" ...

      Well, probably the fact is that now information technologies are very developed and you need to report about any event yourself, otherwise your enemies will report it, while distorting everything.
      PS: What is the connection between window dressing and the appointment of those responsible? That's just the appointment and it would be window dressing.
      1. -1
        2 February 2023 12: 01
        Quote: Hog
        What is the connection between window dressing and the appointment of those responsible?

        The appointment of comrade Beria in charge of (...) helped to SHOW the USA what thermonuclear weapons are ...
        Quote: Hog
        That's just the appointment and it would be window dressing.

        Hell yeah there. It is irresponsibility and impunity that gives rise to PERMISSIBILITY!
    3. -1
      2 February 2023 12: 45
      You can’t appoint those responsible, because you need to answer, and they are afraid of it like the devil incense!
    4. 0
      2 February 2023 15: 29
      Quote: ROSS 42
      .But simply ordering and appointing six personal responsible persons from among the presidential retinue for each frigate to monitor the progress of work and meeting deadlines - IMPOSSIBLE ?!

      I would develop your idea - to consolidate the obligation to every oligarch, billionaire, for every large state corporation the obligation to finance the construction of one ship of the main classes (frigate \ destroyer \ cruiser) ... and appoint responsible from the administration of the guarantor for the execution of this. With personal - personal responsibility for compliance with this.
      Otherwise, the Law ... which has already been corrected ... as a liability for non-fulfillment and sabotage of the state defense order.
      1. 0
        3 February 2023 00: 10
        We have the law of the jungle, that's the trouble.
  4. -2
    2 February 2023 08: 49
    Amursky is not ready for this order. Who is ready - loaded with work. So bullshit is on the news...
  5. +2
    2 February 2023 08: 52
    What are you whining about? Work is underway. Factories are preparing for the construction of frigates. Well, they will contract all orders on the forum. What is the problem?
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    1. +5
      2 February 2023 09: 01
      Quote from Eva Star
      At the moment, this is not at all the necessary area of ​​\u80b\uXNUMXbspending for the army. Now there is a ground war, XNUMX% of the budget should be spent on it. For Russia now, the most important area is communications, satellite reconnaissance and heavy missiles of short and medium range. The ship is now useless, it is better to build a thousand missiles and a hundred ground-based launchers. Missiles are needed to knock out enemy infrastructure, such as bridges.

      It’s not clear ... why, with such a brilliant understanding of the problem, you are still not the Minister of Defense, if at least not Russia, then the Principality of Monaco for sure! request
      1. 0
        3 February 2023 00: 13
        The Principality of Monaco lives and does not buzz!
    2. -2
      2 February 2023 09: 16
      It’s also incomprehensible spending now, all the same, ships will not be built for a single year, in fact, modern land technology is more needed now. But probably there is enough money in abundance for all times the ships were going to build.
      1. +4
        2 February 2023 09: 36
        on the other hand, if there are free slipways, it is necessary to build, although the NEA has screwed up more than once. About money. I think if you now dump grandmas into the same UVZ, the output of equipment is unlikely to increase by a multiple, and it was serial plants that were produced back in the 2000s. After all, we like to do something "not having .......". but there is no industrial series, often even an installation
      2. Hog
        +1
        2 February 2023 11: 36
        Also not understandable spending now

        anyway, ships will be built not a single year

        You yourself answered your question.
        modern land technology is more needed now

        Are you going to build land equipment at shipyards ???
        But probably there is enough money in abundance for all times the ships were going to build.

        How did you guess)))
  7. +1
    2 February 2023 09: 19
    Again they are engaged in window dressing in front of the brightest.
    It's just like a litmus test, whoever does this is a careerist and a sycophant, they should be driven with a filthy broom into janitors and not transferred to other positions, Serdyukov will not let you lie.
  8. -4
    2 February 2023 09: 51
    And why as many as 50 zircons on a frigate. Is he going to let the entire enemy fleet sink to the bottom alone?
    1. +1
      2 February 2023 10: 40
      Quote: igorbrsv
      Is he going to let the entire enemy fleet sink to the bottom alone?

      Why a fleet? Let Warsaw go to rubble!
    2. +2
      2 February 2023 11: 02
      Quote: igorbrsv
      And why as many as 50 zircons on a frigate.

      From the fifth building there should be 32 cells, before it - 16. What is "50" ask the author.
      1. +1
        2 February 2023 14: 34
        Quote: sub307
        What is "50" ask the author.

        Comrades are talking about pr. 22350M!
    3. Hog
      +3
      2 February 2023 11: 40
      about 50 Zircon, Onyx or Caliber cruise missiles

      Well, probably because there are not only Zircons?
  9. -1
    2 February 2023 09: 52
    at the upcoming forum "Army-2023"

    The main thing is that Sergei Kozhugetovich and Valery Vasilyevich, because of the hassle from the SVO, do not forget to plan, and then hold a tank biathlon. Otherwise, there is no way to determine the best tank crew of the RF Armed Forces.
    War is nonsense, the main thing is maneuvers
    (A.V.Suvorov)
  10. -6
    2 February 2023 10: 14
    Outfit. Connection . UAVs with a range of 5-10 km (there are simply no such on the fronts now). Guidance GLONASS for artillery and MLRS. Or we are preparing for Minsk-Istanbul with Abramovich-negotiators and "arm-twisting" by the "brotherly partners" of our wisest. . For "urya-urya-we will win all the day" - the budget deficit for 22 amounted to 1.3 trillion rubles instead of 3.3. And this is before the introduction of the "ceiling". Pipeline gas exports will fall by 40 percent in the 23rd. What frigates? Deal first with the NWO, since "everything has been calculated", figures. Or then - "we were deceived" and Medvedev's posts on the Internet that inspire panic in the United States?
    1. +5
      2 February 2023 10: 54
      Quote: Serge9901
      Deal first with the NWO, since "everything has been calculated", figures

      Tomorrow show up with your passport and military ID at Frunzenskaya Embankment 22, fourth entrance by 11.00. We enroll you as a senior specialist in the Department for Planning the Procurement of Haberdashery Accessories for the personnel of the RF Armed Forces.
      Please don't be late!
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  11. -4
    2 February 2023 10: 18
    It will take a very long time to build (8-12 years), but it should be yesterday ... Can China order the construction of iron (skeleton), and even mount the energy, ABU, ASBU and weapons themselves? IMHO
    1. +5
      2 February 2023 10: 48
      Quote: megadeth
      It will take a very long time to build (8-12 years), but it is necessary yesterday

      Citizens and comrades, gentlemen and boys, God himself will not please you! What for to build, then yesterday it was necessary to build everything .... Altar, how are you with women?
      IMHO, why did these bells and whistles, all my life on oars and a flag semophore in battle cost!
      1. -1
        3 February 2023 00: 23
        And without you it will cost, they look like strangers wassat
  12. +2
    2 February 2023 11: 46
    Good news. Such ships are needed yesterday. I wish them not to become protracted.
  13. -2
    2 February 2023 12: 58
    And corvettes? Cruisers and destroyers? Repair Kuznetsov's vessel?
  14. -2
    2 February 2023 17: 54
    The frigate type 22350 began to be developed in 2003, and in 2010 the first ship of this series was launched.

    We read between the lines. Twenty years of development. That is, they will only sign a contract for the construction of ships, the ideas that are embedded in them by the time they are put into operation, at best, in the 30s will be three decades old! Yes, Zircon is new. But if earlier they tried to create a single "aircraft carrier killer" cruiser with 16-20 supersonic anti-ship missiles, now will we try to solve the same problem in the far sea zone with a single destroyer frigate with hypersonic anti-ship missiles? There is no real domestic power plant according to the CODAG or COGAG scheme for ships of this class yet. The Far East plant, I hope, is not yet ready for such an order either in terms of personnel or production capacity. Well, the raw and unfired "Polyment-Redut" without the DB missiles on the ship of a larger VI, as it seems 22350M, will be approximately like the "Hurricane" on the "Sarychi". Pr 22350M, if we build it, will be new, but already outdated from the moment it was put into operation. Unfortunately, the story is not new to our fleet.
    1. 0
      2 February 2023 19: 37
      And why use your schemes on them? Why is there a diesel at all? For savings? 2 turbines (manufactured in an assortment) and a summing gearbox (for example, as on BOD 1155) for each shaft and voila. "Hurricane" at Sarah shot great, despite single-beam launchers with a reload time of 12 seconds. At the Pacific Fleet, firing was carried out to repel a missile attack on the KUG. 7 missiles out of 9 were shot down by the destroyer. "Polyment" is being brought and will be brought. Now they are teaching 9m96d to shoot at maximum range. For review and detection, they can put a "frigate" radar. Fortunately, the displacement is planned at 10-11 thousand tons. By the way, from under the "frigate" a familiar RTV-shnik (kbch 7) aimed missiles and the ship took prize shooting.
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    2 February 2023 20: 29
    The main question that arises for me is: how do they plan to transport frigates along the Amur to the Tatar Strait. Now, for the transportation of corvettes 20380 along the Amur, the transport and launch dock "Zeya" is used. If the frigate 22350 fits in it (but this is not certain), then for the larger 22350M a new transport dock needs to be built.
    But the diversification of the construction of frigates 22350 is frankly pleasing. Still to start building them at the Kaliningrad "Yantar" and in the Crimea

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