“Sometimes ammunition comes from very long storage”: artillerymen of the RF Armed Forces deny “shell hunger”

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“Sometimes ammunition comes from very long storage”: artillerymen of the RF Armed Forces deny “shell hunger”

In the context of the armed conflict that unfolded on the territory of Ukraine, artillery acts as the main means of defeating the enemy. At the same time, the intense nature of hostilities is accompanied by a significant consumption of ammunition.

American publications, referring to the statements of the Pentagon, report on the overly active, from their point of view, the work of Ukrainian artillery. So, in Politico it is said about shooting 6 thousand ammunition per day, in NYT - 7 thousand and more. At the same time, it is indicated that the Russian side spends about 20 thousand shells per day.



Such an active use of artillery in the end can lead to a shell "hunger", the threat of which has long been announced in the West. It is not known how full the arsenals of the Russian army are. On the one hand, the Soviet army had many storage bases filled with ammunition to capacity and remained on the territory of the Russian Federation. On the other hand, there was a similar situation in Ukraine, which, nevertheless, has practically used up the reserves it inherited.

In this regard, the statements of Russian artillerymen are of interest. So, according to the fighters of the 150th motorized rifle division, which is actively participating in the NMD, the shell "hunger" is felt only in the lack of "ammunition of a certain type." In all other respects, they do not feel the need, denying the deficit. Sometimes shells come from "very long storage", in which, due to problematic threads, it is difficult to install a fuse.

Our techies have made a device that helps to screw in the fuses without any problems.

the fighters say.

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  1. 0
    1 February 2023 21: 20
    This is also the moment of truth. What is more important is expensive precision-guided munitions, of course, in limited quantities. Or cheap, simple but mass-produced
    1. +2
      1 February 2023 21: 42
      Naturally high-precision which can hit the target than massive and simple and inaccurate.
      1. +25
        1 February 2023 21: 54
        Quote: Kronos
        Naturally high-precision which can hit the target than massive and simple and inaccurate.

        natural for whom? depends on the target
        1. +13
          1 February 2023 23: 22
          Quote: Kronos
          Naturally high-precision which can hit the target than massive and simple and inaccurate.
          Just right to shoot at the forest belt, dug up by trenches ...
          1. +4
            2 February 2023 00: 52
            you need napalm along the forest belt, the Americans in Vietnam ...
        2. +3
          1 February 2023 23: 26
          Quote: poquello

          natural for whom? depends on the target

          I absolutely agree. hi It all depends on the type and purpose of the fire impact. For offensive actions, high-precision ones are certainly important (here the type of guidance is also extremely important).
          1. +9
            2 February 2023 00: 32
            Quote: Arzoo
            For offensive operations, high-precision

            again, it’s ambiguous, why do you need high-precision shells in the trenches when the task is so that the enemy does not dare to raise his head?
            1. -1
              3 February 2023 09: 58
              When firing a 152 mm howitzer at a distance of 10 km with an ordinary projectile, an ellipse of dispersion of 120 m by 70 m is observed. Is this a lot or a little? Old shells made according to old standards and tolerances for accuracy have a maximum spread, which is enhanced by inaccurate weights of gunpowder in charges, not taking into account air temperature, charge, charge humidity, wind, etc. Modern fire control systems take into account many of these factors and only because of this, plus the use of accurate charge sheds and new technologies in the production of charges and projectiles, as well as more accurate barrel processing, made it possible to reduce dispersion by 2,5-3 times. Even without the use of adjustable projectiles. Therefore, firing from guns of the period of the Second World War, and even shells produced in the 50-60s of the last century, well, it’s ... "no fish and cancer-fish."
              1. 0
                3 February 2023 18: 44
                Quote: Monster_Fat
                Modern fire control systems take into account many of these factors, and only thanks to this, plus the use of accurate charge sheds and new technologies in the production of charges and projectiles, as well as more accurate barrel processing, made it possible to reduce dispersion by 2,5-3 times.

                I still don’t understand, these are stories about wonderful Western technologies? )))) so we have better trunks and put our usual ones more accurately, and nobody canceled the sighting, "no fish" is written together, every herring is a fish, but not every fish is a herring
        3. -2
          2 February 2023 02: 53
          Quote: poquello
          depends on the target

          depends on the logistics. Kherson was abandoned because of the Antonovsky bridge through which it was problematic to supply that echelon of 20 thousand shells a day. Digging up an echelon a day with cast iron is as long as there are old stocks.
          the war of the future is for each shell on the processor
          1. 0
            2 February 2023 18: 41
            Quote from Sadam2
            the war of the future is for each shell on the processor

            the war of the future is energy beam technologies, and today, as in the Second World War, the presence of ammunition in general and conventional shells of work is an unplowed field
            1. 0
              3 February 2023 10: 48
              Laser and beam weapons are line of sight weapons. You can't get over the hillock with the flow of energy.
              1. 0
                3 February 2023 18: 46
                Quote: Vahmurka
                Laser and beam weapons are line of sight weapons. You can't get over the hillock with the flow of energy.

                and lays his ears in the trench?
      2. +3
        1 February 2023 21: 59
        In addition, reducing the load on logistics and a quick change of position by crew. It is still possible to hit moving targets, destroy self-propelled guns and tanks with direct hits.
        1. +5
          2 February 2023 01: 01
          But here you already need a link with a gunner on the ground or a drone with the possibility of laser illumination, which is not always possible
        2. +3
          2 February 2023 08: 48
          Quote from C-Real
          In addition, reducing the load on logistics and a quick change of position by crew. It is still possible to hit moving targets, destroy self-propelled guns and tanks with direct hits.

          The rate of fire with the red field is 1 shot in 3 minutes from 2S3. Centimeter 1 shot per minute. With an ordinary blank, 3-4 shots per minute. in 2001 they fired shells of 1956 release. They didn't get in like that.
          One krasnopol takes up places like two ordinary shells in a combat laying in a self-propelled gun.
          There are problems with target illumination, you need to lift it from the ground or UAVs. Communication problems are in short a lot of problems that need to be solved. It is much easier if you attach a 122mm red field to the hail booster and upgrade it with the installation of a Glonass correction module. I loaded the entire pocket and shoot online on request, in principle, we went down a difficult path with Hermes, another prodigy.
          1. 0
            2 February 2023 11: 15
            Much easier if you attach a 122mm redfield
            Is there Krasnopol 122mm?
            1. 0
              2 February 2023 12: 32
              There is. "Kitolov" is only called :).
      3. +29
        1 February 2023 22: 06
        Quote: Kronos
        Naturally high precision
        Yeah, but a sniper is better than a machine gunner. It would seem, but in reality a machine gun is more effective than a sniper rifle. For an elementary reason - if there is no way to aim, then a sniper rifle is no better than a club, but a machine gun still has a chance.
        By the way, the price of a sniper shot is more expensive than a machine-gun burst.
      4. -2
        2 February 2023 03: 49
        Quote: Kronos
        Naturally high-precision which can hit the target than massive and simple and inaccurate.
        Not everything is so clear. It has not yet been blasted with nuclear weapons. An EMP high-precision projectile makes a blank by burning microcircuits. And one high-altitude nuclear explosion will destroy microchips throughout Ukraine. High-precision projectiles come with laser target illumination, with guidance to coordinates by satellites, radio control with television guidance, etc. All these types of guidance are the object of electronic warfare. For every guidance method there is a countermeasure method. The radio signal is jammed, the IR sensor and the camera are blinded. Why ours has not yet been applied is a mystery. There is a version that the main task is to destroy as many enemy personnel as possible, so they are not in a hurry so as not to flee from the territory of Donbass. A little more and a whole generation of young, ideological, stoned male Nazis will be almost completely destroyed. Also, Russia is ahead of the curve in methods of using conventional munitions with accuracy commensurate with high-precision ones. This is how the SVP-24 "Hephaestus" complex, etc., works. Tornado-S can fire precision-guided munitions with a seeker, or, under computer control, position itself and the target using GLONASS, automatically guide the guides in azimuth and inclination, and guarantee to cover a couple of football fields and immediately wash off. Tornado-G also works, unlike its predecessors - Tornadoes and Gradov. It is a pity and ineffective to spend expensive, high-precision ammunition on the accumulation of bandos, but here they also covered a lot of lightly fried meat.
        1. +3
          2 February 2023 05: 27
          [/ quote] There is a version that the main task is to destroy as many enemy personnel as possible, so they are in no hurry so as not to flee from the territory of Donbass. [quote]

          It seems that for a similar reason, equipment is allowed closer to the Donbass ... It’s better to burn it on your territory than to run around Berlin and Paris after it ...
          Logistics with BP, equipment and drugs is shorter again ...
          And the territory will have to rebuild one vegetable after the war, a kind of renovation and scumbags into the ground, and new infrastructure ...
          1. +2
            2 February 2023 06: 55
            Don't extend the front line yet. Barclay and Kutuzov destroyed the Great Army completely, retreating and surrendering the cities. And the task of Borodino was again to lure to Moscow, into a trap, having previously destroyed the elite, primarily the cavalry. That's what Napoleon is for, because he quickly realized that he was trapped and rushed from Moscow back in October. But they drove him along the road ruined by him. Did he manage to save himself? Well, after the death of the Great Army, they entered Paris without great problems. Banderlog is covered by civilians, the cities are used as a fortified area. Therefore, to keep them on the land they devastated, destroying reinforcements, moving slowly, so as not to let them escape for the Dnieper, but to grind. Give the opportunity to believe in yourself, as if retreating and grinding. They didn’t destroy the bridges, so if you destroy them now, the whole group is trapped and doomed, and from White Rus' you can hit both Kyiv and Lvov. Only the Volkssturm is on the way. The West calculated this, the tanks, and apparently with their crews, want to throw a threat from the Republic of Belarus. Do not underestimate our General Staff and the Supreme, they pretend to be simpletons, pretend to be incapable, and then surprise.
            1. 0
              5 February 2023 17: 12
              Well written, nothing to add...
              Analytics, despite the fact that it is understandable (tested on cats) ...
              My respect...
              Is there a place to read, LJ, a cart?
        2. 0
          3 February 2023 10: 51
          And one high-altitude nuclear explosion will destroy microchips throughout Ukraine.

          But the men don't even know! (I'm talking about electronic engineers :)
          High-precision projectiles come with laser target illumination, with guidance to coordinates by satellites, radio control with television guidance, etc. All these types of guidance are the object of electronic warfare. For every guidance method there is a countermeasure method. The radio signal is jammed, the IR sensor and the camera are blinded

          Yeah, our electronic warfare in the area of ​​​​the Antonovsky bridge turned out to be so effective that the non-brothers put missiles from Hymers with a dispersion of 3 ... 4 m.
          About extinguishing television cameras - I have never heard anything about this in practice, this is from the area of ​​\u24b\uXNUMXbstories about the Khibiny, which, by some unknown way, being on the Su-XNUMX, incapacitates destroyers with one of its inclusions.
          1. +1
            3 February 2023 16: 15
            Quote from Andy_nsk
            About extinguishing TV cameras - I haven’t heard anything about this at all in practice,

            Conventional COEP with a laser. In the army, they are used to suppress various optics, which is why the systems walk on the fucking thin ice of a UN ban on weapons that cause permanent blindness to the organs of vision of a person who does not use optical devices. For if by chance it is not the ECO, but the eyes of a person in the spot of the beam, then at the blinding power of the ECO they can be burned out forever - and since 2017 this is already a war crime.
            The main problem for working on flying targets is to get a "spot" of the beam into the seeker. For it is also necessary to direct in elevation, and the speeds of missiles are higher than those of ground vehicles (not to mention stationary observers).
          2. +2
            3 February 2023 16: 29
            Shine a laser pointer in your eye and you will understand what will happen to the TV camera wassat The Antonovsky bridge did not protect the electronic warfare, and if he saw the withdrawal of our troops, then the pantons were under the bridge. The bridge was used as a concrete canopy. They left Kherson not because of problems with the bridge, but because of problems with the population of Kherson and the refusal to attack Nikolaev-Odessa. There's no point holding a foothold if you're not going to use it. Ours were going to kill a generation of stoned youngsters. This is done rigorously. Your men in nuclear technology are not belmes wassat Not everyone should be Kurchatovs, who should clean the toilets wassat
            1. -1
              3 February 2023 17: 13
              Shine a laser pointer in your eye and you will understand what will happen to the TV camera

              First, I don't need to poke. I have worked with p / p lasers and matrix photodetectors, so I know more about their properties than any storyteller. there are no such lasers in service that can burn out the GOS of a projectile or missile.
              Your men in nuclear technology are not belmes wassat

              My men are also versed in nuclear technologies. You clean the toilets yourself, but we have enough work in our specialty.
              1. +1
                3 February 2023 21: 22
                Well, since the men don't know about high-altitude explosions and EMP, it's better to let them deal with shocks.
                Quote from Andy_nsk
                there are no such lasers in service that can burn out the GOS of a projectile or missile.

                You / you don’t, but we have Peresvet in service and protecting ICBMs. wassat
      5. +7
        2 February 2023 08: 32
        Quote: voice of reason
        This is also the moment of truth. What is more important is expensive precision-guided munitions, of course, in limited quantities. Or cheap, simple but mass-produced

        Quote: Kronos
        Naturally high-precision which can hit the target than massive and simple and inaccurate.

        Good afternoon!
        Back in 2001, I pointed a red field and a centimeter from the ground in Shaly, then Barzoy will tell you the following, it’s good when there is both in a ratio of 5 to 1, five blanks per 1 red field and 3 to 1 in a ratio of one centimeter centimeter to three blanks.
        If you need to hit a moving target, then it’s better not to find a red field; if a dugout, then better than a centimeter there is no shell, well, if you jam the infantry in the field, then blanks over the areas are the most. It is better to jam the infantry in the hakob with shells with moderators, so they create a deep blast that crushes the trenches, burying the infantry there, which is at the bottom of the hakob. I look at the work of artillery in the Northern Military District and listen to my relative and understand that the training of artillerymen is lame. Here is an example of HE shells with an RGM-2 fuse coming from the factory with a fragmentation setting. So artillery in the trenches works, as my relative admits, without setting it to a high-explosive action because they are too lazy to turn it or somewhere they lost the key in positions, and this happens from here and the expense and inefficiency of shelling on a dug-in enemy, so the most shameful thing is that the caps are not unscrewed because they have strikers that the shells explode, if you unscrew the cap from the drops of water that they encounter in flight and can also work from branches that can hurt after the shot when they are encountered, as heresy, it can not be called anything else. On the attacking infantry in the field to beat that goes across the field for battle, thereby reducing the effectiveness of fire by 30%.
        In short, you need to drill both officers and soldiers until they lose their pulse until they learn all the ozes of artillery art.
        1. 0
          5 February 2023 17: 42
          Dear text, a bomb, from the point of view of an artilleryman ... With ZERO grammar ... It is difficult to read, but necessary ...
          Decide with the text... Good luck...
          1. 0
            7 February 2023 07: 47
            Yes, I can’t fix it with the text
    2. +14
      1 February 2023 22: 19
      Quote: voice of reason
      What is more important is expensive precision-guided munitions, of course, in limited quantities.

      What is more important is what is here and now near the gun. .
    3. 0
      1 February 2023 22: 40
      Certainly high-precision is more important. There are several reasons for this. One accurate projectile can bring more damage to the enemy than 10 inaccurate ones. Because the fighters are in hiding. Shells bursting somewhere nearby do not bring much harm to them. This is the first. The second is that we declare that we are not at war with civilians. Precise shells in this regard are much safer for civilians. And the third is that there is wear on the artillery barrel. When firing high-precision projectiles, the number of shots is many times less. Accordingly, both the load on the barrel and its wear. And with a worn barrel, you won’t shoot a lot, especially - for sure. That's all. Otherwise, no one would have invented high-precision projectiles. They are much more expensive than simple ones, but justify themselves.
      1. 0
        1 February 2023 22: 59
        One accurate projectile can bring more damage to the enemy than 10 inaccurate ones.

        10 is practically sniping. The number of conventional shells spent to destroy one target is sometimes calculated almost by wagons. It's easy to find pictures on the net with hundreds of craters around each trench.
        1. -1
          2 February 2023 09: 31
          The standard for the destruction of one target, sort of like 150 shells.
      2. +5
        2 February 2023 00: 40
        Quote: Traveler_2
        One accurate projectile can bring more damage to the enemy than 10 inaccurate ones.

        ))))))))))))) in a square with densely advancing infantry? yes 5 will hit the square and put more
        1. -3
          2 February 2023 08: 08
          in a square with densely advancing infantry?

          Do you all think in terms of World War II? What is the densely advancing infantry in the current conflict? Where did you see her?
          1. -1
            2 February 2023 18: 53
            Quote from invisible_man
            in a square with densely advancing infantry?

            Do you all think in terms of World War II? What is the densely advancing infantry in the current conflict? Where did you see her?

            )))))))) assault in the forest
      3. +4
        2 February 2023 01: 08
        Quote: Traveler_2
        And with a worn barrel, you won’t shoot a lot, especially - for sure. That's all. Otherwise, no one would have invented high-precision projectiles. They are much more expensive than simple ones, but justify themselves.

        High-precision projectiles are less demanding on the quality of the barrel. It will fly to the "target area", and then it will hover ...
    4. +1
      1 February 2023 23: 06
      High quality and inexpensive. Who can produce such shells in large quantities, he has more chances to win.
    5. -2
      1 February 2023 23: 35
      If you shoot for warning, then any will do.
      But if to defeat, then high-precision ones are needed.
      For a long time I could not understand from the video from the field - why the fighters sometimes shoot simply in the direction of a possible enemy, without even aiming, obviously past, above the parapet, just at the sound. Is it really not a pity for the cartridges, and is it correct to indicate your location? And then it occurred to me that on both sides they fear the unexpected appearance of the enemy in direct line of sight, where everything can be decided only in a fraction of a second - who pulled the trigger first, who aimed more successfully. And if there is no way to aim, is it more logical not to shoot, to save ammo?
      It turns out that - no, otherwise the enemy may approach a more advantageous position for aiming. And so maybe he won’t dare to shove on the sounds of shots. With cannon artillery, it seems to me that aimless shooting is unprofitable.
      1. +2
        2 February 2023 01: 10
        Why don't all weapons come with a silencer? When I was shooting with PBS, already in the midst of shooting, it was very uncomfortable. The roar of the machine gun, of its own, PROVIDES MORAL SUPPORT TO YOU. Accordingly, when a rifleman rumbles from that side, the thought immediately arises, they are hammering themselves and I want to lie down. Imagine, on the other side, everything with silencers is silence, only whistles, morally the wrong effect. The same when shooting without looking around the corner, parapet. If there is enough bp, everyone shoots and helps, they will bang someone.
    6. +4
      2 February 2023 01: 11
      Quote: voice of reason
      This is also the moment of truth. What is more important is expensive precision-guided munitions, of course, in limited quantities. Or cheap, simple but mass-produced

      Do you think there is a clear answer? We will rivet cheap simple ones and at the same time develop smart ones, and then arrange the production of smart ones. This is the only reasonable approach. To stop in development is a loss.
    7. +1
      2 February 2023 15: 13
      Precision-guided munitions are very necessary for certain purposes and assigned fire missions, as well as standard "ordinary" ones. Both of these must be available in sufficient quantities. All this is called the separation of ammunition, earlier this was done by RAV specialists .....
  2. +8
    1 February 2023 21: 25
    But not only the West speaks about shell hunger, but, for example, Sladkov and Poddubny (and Murz started talking about 3 months before them) ...
    1. -3
      1 February 2023 22: 42
      Yes, it seems that Khodakovsky had a remark that now they are forced to count, but at first there was plenty in Mariupol.
    2. +3
      2 February 2023 03: 58
      When did Sladkov speak about shell hunger?
  3. 0
    1 February 2023 21: 25
    What to do. The main attacks are on 144 MSD. Pretty much everything new goes there.
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  4. +16
    1 February 2023 21: 26
    Sometimes 240 mm mines came in broken caps.
    The tails were deformed.
    Probably stored in the open, how faded they were.
    I had to look closely. Dispose of part immediately
    Chechnya 2000
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      1. +1
        2 February 2023 00: 58
        On the instructions of a mini with a crushed stabilizer, shooting is not allowed :)
    2. +2
      2 February 2023 01: 01
      Yes, they dropped them, so the box broke. But under the open sky and generally without a box in warehouses they do not store. Zto state of emergency. In positions - already as it is necessary.
      1. +1
        2 February 2023 11: 21
        Quote: stankow
        But under the open sky and generally without a box in warehouses they do not store. Zto state of emergency.

        This is not an emergency, but the realities of the late 80s. When they began to withdraw groups of troops with all the supplies, there were not enough warehouses for them - and they had to store boxes in the open air. It was considered temporary... but you know that there is nothing more permanent than temporary.
    3. 0
      2 February 2023 16: 20
      After the exercises with shooting, the return to the places of deployment begins, and the ammunition is surrendered accordingly. But!! How does he give up - if only to put FSE in the box, then I don’t care.
      Therefore, then in the ammunition depot, all the pieces of iron handed over to the necessary boxes and cappings begin. Everything is signed there - each type of shell has its own box and its own charge.
      And therefore, with a possible transfer, ammunition can be damaged.
      Although shells with visible damage are not allowed to fire.

      The requirements for admission to shooting have their own standards of how and what should be. But one thing is for sure - damaged shells are sent to the factory.
  5. -8
    1 February 2023 21: 28
    Good is not enough. The video is just a disgrace.
    1. +12
      1 February 2023 21: 31
      What the heck, this is real life...
      1. -13
        1 February 2023 21: 35
        In threading, at least ....... why shoot this request
        1. +15
          1 February 2023 21: 45
          What is thread cutting? The old conservation grease is removed with a bang.
        2. +16
          1 February 2023 22: 21
          In threading at least

          What thread? Boy, where did you fall from? This is the re-preservation of solidol, they take out the fuse and insert it. So the mines are stored for years, and the fuses have a much shorter time. Lavrov was right.
          1. +1
            2 February 2023 00: 59
            At the end of the service, when it was no longer needed, they were sent to the army art warehouse. So. In the warehouse, in artillery shells, instead of a fuse, a plug is screwed in, which is unscrewed with a special key. And fuses, like cartridges, are stored in sealed tins. But I don't remember mines. I think so. But the mines for the MLRS were stored without boxes in a wooden edging such as a fence in small stacks and even on the street.
            1. 0
              2 February 2023 12: 24
              In the warehouse, in artillery shells, a plug is screwed in instead of a fuse,

              I strongly doubt that you really saw anything, since EVERY shell is stored in a box, but yes there are plugs, but here is part of the instruction for bringing the shells to their final equipped state
              5) Unscrewing the idle plug.


              Nrm5 \u0,39d\u1d XNUMX? XNUMX

              6) Control of the state of the cut of explosives, removing grease from threads

              under the fuse.



              Nrm6=?1

              And I don't need to write any crap. I have already worked on this operation in due time.
            2. 0
              2 February 2023 14: 43
              Not mines. Shells for MLRS. We have 4 pcs for Hurricanes in metal strapping. I haven't seen it in wood. Timber will not withstand loading and unloading.
        3. +5
          2 February 2023 01: 04
          In the video, the thread is not cut, but cleaned. Since the tap there is still a little rust stuck. The manual permits such a technique on AB. And if a very thickened grease, then the calculation will cope. Do not reject a mine because of a trifle.
    2. +4
      1 February 2023 21: 40
      Good is not enough

      your suggestion? so that everything is good and there is nothing bad?
      It was necessary to pay someone for maintenance, and someone not to pay for something or pay less ((The struggle of guns and oil
    3. +21
      1 February 2023 21: 40
      What exactly in the video is distorting your fragile inner world? Did you sincerely believe that robots do everything in war? Did you grow up on computer shooters and tank games?
    4. +13
      1 February 2023 22: 09
      What's shameful about that? Well, yes - they drive the old thread with a tap so that the fuse can be screwed in better. The usual thing. Look how he twists it with two fingers - you can immediately see what exactly is driving it away.
      1. +6
        1 February 2023 22: 24
        Well, yes - they drive the old thread with a tap so that the fuse can be screwed in better.

        It's not that it's old, it's that there's oil in it. Type solidol over time generally hardens. Well, I must say that it is possible to return the fuse anyway, but it’s not supposed to and you have to twist it with all the dope.
        Although we were spinning laughing So for the balabols, this is the observance of technology. laughing
      2. -1
        1 February 2023 23: 02
        I admit, I said it incorrectly about cutting, and not threading! And then, after all, who was not immediately recorded, both as a boy and as a gamer. [ drinks hi
        1. 0
          2 February 2023 02: 53
          Quote: Alien From
          I admit, I said it incorrectly about cutting, and not threading! And then, after all, who was not immediately recorded, both as a boy and as a gamer. [

          Well, what's the shame?
        2. 0
          2 February 2023 12: 27
          And then, after all, who was not immediately recorded, both as a boy and as a gamer.

          This is not because of "cutting" but because of "shame".
          I think I will not reveal state secrets. There is an instruction for bringing shells to their final equipped state. It can even be found on the Internet and there is an item there, withremoving grease from the fuse thread.
  6. +4
    1 February 2023 21: 43
    hmm ... what would they do now without the country of "Galoshes" ... and will the great commander ever have the conscience to apologize to those who made only galoshes, but left such arsenals to the great nanogenius ...
    1. +5
      1 February 2023 21: 51
      Eka you have enough "conscience". Conscience is not a fashionable atavism now ...
    2. +12
      1 February 2023 21: 53
      Quote: Nikolay310
      what to do now without the country "Galoshia"

      About the crisis. Yes, the crisis was deep, and we "fell" more than many countries, absolutely sure. What is it because of? Due to the fact that we have a one-sided economy. And what did she do yesterday? Yes, it has developed like this for 70 years. Because everything we made ...
      Yes, my dears, yes. No need to debate. The fact is that what we produced, and no need to wave your hands, was not needed by anyone, because no one bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who had to walk on the hot sand. That's the whole point.
      We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense industry after the Great Patriotic War.
      Voice from the audience:
      - And the first satellite.
      V. V. Putin:
      - Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet regime, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.
      But consumer goods... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.
      1. -4
        2 February 2023 01: 28
        Yes, this historian gives out lectures one more trenchant than the other
        1. +2
          2 February 2023 06: 25
          Quote: forty-eighth
          lectures are one worse than the other

          And all to the point.
      2. +1
        2 February 2023 02: 46
        Quote: Dart2027
        But consumer goods... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.

        And what is wrong with him? What consumer goods did the USSR make no worse or better than in the West or in Japan, for example?
        To vskidku:
        - cars, motorcycles;
        - household appliances, audio-video equipment;
        - clothes, shoes;
        - PC, office equipment;
        - perfumery;
        - plumbing, etc. down to the gum.
        Which of the listed consumer goods, which every person uses daily, did the USSR do better than its competitors/enemies? And if they did better, THEN why did every inhabitant of the Union dream of everything foreign, which is why the Union collapsed to a large extent? Interesting to hear your arguments.
        And the Soviet military-industrial complex, as you yourself quoted, only praised the GDP:
        We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense industry after the Great Patriotic War.

        So you and Nikolai310 with your sketch:
        what would they do now without the country of "Galoshia".
        look, to put it mildly, stupid.
        1. +1
          2 February 2023 06: 25
          Quote: Vasia
          So you and Nikolai310 with your sketch

          Actually, I mean exactly what you wrote, like Putin himself. I fully agree with him.
          1. -1
            2 February 2023 07: 40
            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: Vasia
            So you and Nikolai310 with your sketch

            Actually, I mean exactly what you wrote, like Putin himself. I fully agree with him.

            Then I apologize. Perhaps not an entirely obvious comment, and judging by the assessment, it was perceived by so manyhi
            1. 0
              2 February 2023 17: 01
              Quote: Vasia
              Then I apologize. Possibly an obscure comment.

              Nothing happens.
    3. -13
      1 February 2023 21: 58
      They traded everything for Snickers and Coca-Cola in the 90s, now there are no galoshes or Coca-Cola. What difference does it make if there is shell hunger or not, with such intensity it is inevitable, we burn the entire ammo for this foolishness, and then what? Never make up again ... As planned, everything ... It's time to roll out the Aurora to Red Square))
      1. +1
        1 February 2023 22: 20
        Remained in memory. as I collected plastic bottles in the 90s, they were still in short supply. Then it was bought in yupi or zuko bags and diluted with water in plastic. At first, of course, I liked it, then it all faded away gradually.
      2. 0
        2 February 2023 08: 46
        Quote: _KGB-USSR_
        KGB-USSR_

        Your nickname is interesting ... is it not the KGB that the USSR destroyed? The Union was ruined, now they have taken up Russia ..... you still can’t calm down!
        1. -1
          2 February 2023 14: 48
          No. This is the KGB that Samych himself brought up.
    4. -5
      1 February 2023 22: 07
      Everything is on point, and I also think ...... If I had the opportunity to put 5+ I would put it for a comment
  7. +10
    1 February 2023 21: 51
    Here, the revival of the military-industrial complex of the West and Russia has long been traced through orders for the NWO front. Or rather, the enrichment of someone from the military-industrial complex. Ukraine and the Northern Military District have become like a testing ground for the disposal of old military equipment, ammunition, and, even worse, men. The strongest nerves and physically. On both sides, moreover.
    But even more terrible is that NOBODY knows the final goals of this SVO - what the Russian army should achieve in this war, what lines, where and in what place victory will be. To release from the Armed Forces of Ukraine new territories accepted into Russia? Let's release. What's next? Stop moving on or stop shooting, declare a unilateral truce? But the war will not end. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will continue to be trained in the West and receive more and more heavy weapons and aircraft, missiles. And they will attack and attack. There will be shelling of our villages, cities, military bases. Not to mention the line of contact. Who can say when and where this war will end??? In the Second World War, it was clear - to reach Germany and occupy it, its capital, to force the Wehrmacht troops to surrender. In Ukraine, this will not work. We do not have 1,5 million infantry for this and 20 thousand tanks. There are no 5 thousand aircraft. We do not even strike at the leadership and the main command. We trade gas with enemies and pay Ukraine for transit. So where and what is the purpose of the NWO!?
    1. -4
      1 February 2023 22: 35
      Quote: BorzRio
      There will be shelling of our villages, cities, military bases. Not to mention the line of contact. Who can say when and where this war will end???

      Everything is very simple.
      Explain to the Ukrainians so that they believe that everything that has departed from them since 2014 is yours. And if you succeed, even their curators will clap their hands....
      For a while, of course, But still, at least some kind of peace, because no one really understands why and for what this war is.
      Maybe because the "world elites" refused to accept the current government of the Russian Federation as "colleagues". And this is despite the fact that the main income of the country did not belong to the citizens of the Russian Federation, but was taken abroad ... to lubricate "friendliness"
      China is more flexible in this regard. .
      1. +2
        2 February 2023 09: 22
        These are strange people.
        You explain to them why the country's elites are still trading "with the enemy" - or the world west. And they sculpt minuses.
        Okay, for the losers, let's repeat it simpler.
        The elites of the Russian Federation wanted and want to be on an equal footing with the elites of the West. That is (simplified) - to have your own currency, to determine international law, to determine and punish someone who is bad ... without consequences for themselves. To have the right of the strong to any controversial and sweet point on the ball ..
        Until the elites agree, or one of the parties does not merge into death, then there will be a war. China will sit and watch who wins, it makes no sense to get in.
        And further. The system of "Western elites" - a group of people, is about 200 years old. The RW elite system is 30 years old.
    2. 0
      3 February 2023 06: 02
      Quote: BorzRio
      disposal of old military equipment, ammunition, and what is even worse - men

      You called demilitarization and denazification in your own words. Disarm and kill the stubborn. With stubborn, unfortunately, and those who have a hut on the edge. No matter where it happens, they thought that in the Donbass, they made fortified areas with an emphasis on impregnable salt mines and factories (Azovstal).
  8. +2
    1 February 2023 22: 05
    in Ukraine, which, nevertheless, has practically used up the reserves it inherited

    A cool euphemism for banal theft .. Otherwise, no one knows where Tsegabonia put the Soviet legacy ..
    1. +5
      1 February 2023 22: 20
      And then no one knows where Tsegabonia put the Soviet legacy ..

      there since 2014 there have been at least three epic fires at the largest ammunition storage bases. There, tens of thousands of tons burned down and exploded. This is very useful to us now.
      1. +1
        1 February 2023 22: 24
        There, tens of thousands of tons burned down and exploded.

        Are you sure? what What exactly burned and exploded? wink
        1. +1
          2 February 2023 04: 11
          There is a video on YouTube, the fireworks are impressive.
      2. kaa
        0
        3 February 2023 05: 51
        It sailed away quickly, with warm seas, and they disguised it with fireworks. In the Gulf of Aden, pirates intercepted bulk carriers with weapons - a piece of an iceberg surfaced, otherwise no one would have noticed anything at all.
  9. +3
    1 February 2023 22: 08
    And that at the storage base during loading, conscripts cannot carry out "pre-sale preparation"?
    1. +3
      2 February 2023 01: 16
      It is forbidden. They don't do that on bases. No time, no one, no place, and very dangerous. Only at the forefront. Which is shown. The final equipment of the BP.
      1. 0
        3 February 2023 16: 34
        Comrade captain .. why should we create a landfill with all the safety attributes and remove the old one and replace it with a fresh preservative? We don’t have choli sappers? I understand your irony wink
        1. 0
          2 December 2023 23: 37
          Final equipment, screwing the fuse, cleaning the preservative, and opening the charge cap are carried out at the firing position. (An annoying thing by the way). So from the warehouses - either to the front, or to recycling bases. They don't open the boxes, they just load them. Sappers have completely different matters.
  10. +5
    1 February 2023 22: 16
    If all storage conditions are met and the shells show the calculated characteristics (when shooting a test batch), then age does not matter.
    But in what condition they were stored is a completely different question.
    1. +1
      3 February 2023 16: 40
      If Soviet stocks were stored in boxes in the fresh air for 20-25 years (nearby 120 kilometers there was such a warehouse from 56 (according to my father) until 1979. He himself took out as a civilian to a closed storage
  11. +2
    1 February 2023 22: 40
    Shell hunger does not threaten. But the guns have a resource, how about it?
    1. +2
      2 February 2023 01: 36
      Approximately 1/5 of all trunks in Russia are still involved in the NWO. And the wear on this part has not even reached half yet. 20,000 rounds per day for all art. there is not much park. 10 shells per day per gun. Yes, not every day ...
  12. +3
    1 February 2023 22: 50
    Quote: bk316
    In threading at least

    What thread? Boy, where did you fall from? This is the re-preservation of solidol, they take out the fuse and insert it. So the mines are stored for years, and the fuses have a much shorter time. Lavrov was right.


    Why get personal?
    On many things you know more than readers / writers.
  13. 0
    1 February 2023 23: 03
    Given the video with lunar landscapes, this hunger will come sooner or later.
    There is hope that there is an accumulation of precision-guided munitions.
    But we need to work on accuracy so that Tornado-S is spoken of as Hymers, or rather, Tornado-S makes it so that they talk about it!
    1. 0
      3 February 2023 16: 53
      Lunar landscape? This is straight to the ancient and still effective "grads" and shells were prepared for them under these "lunar landscapes" and Russian castles are used for the first time after the Afghan so massively. massively and pointwise and for strategic purposes (for example, it is necessary to destroy the wheel pair changing station) a pair of rockets from mines with chemical explosives equivalent to 15,000 kg of TNT each with an accuracy of hitting a stationary object of 20 meters oval ... And please shave !! good good
  14. -3
    1 February 2023 23: 31
    Regarding the shell hunger in our army. I won't go into details. But I have serious doubts about the causes of this phenomenon ...
  15. +5
    1 February 2023 23: 35
    To use high-precision ammunition is not only the presence / absence of the first matters, but also the purposes for which they are used.
    If you need to get enemy soldiers scattered through the forest 20 x 20 km, then using Krasnopoli will somehow be bold.
    And just like in the old joke:
    AMERICAN anecdote of the Normandy landings:
    An American officer on the shore corrects the firing of a squadron of American battleships.
    ---- Square such and such, sight such and such .. Fire.
    Several dozen 406-mm shells are flying at the target.
    ---- The square is the same, the sight is 300 meters more ... Fire!
    And so several times, transferring the fire each time to 300-500 meters.
    Finally, a request from the admiral:
    ---- Spotter, what kind of moving target are we firing at with the entire squadron?
    ---- Yes, Bosch on a horse runs away along the highway. We can't shoot at him.
  16. 0
    1 February 2023 23: 44
    ...since a very long...
    - how much is this? VV also deteriorates over time ...
    1. KCA
      +1
      2 February 2023 01: 15
      I am not a chemist, but even I have never read that hexogen has the effect of aging, it seems like it does not degrade at all, it is hexogen that is contained in shells and bombs, TNT has not been used at all since the beginning of the last century
      1. +1
        2 February 2023 09: 05
        RDX sometimes add in some BPs. And so, tol is our everything. Yes, he's getting old too. But three decades is not old age wink
    2. 0
      2 February 2023 01: 41
      40 years can easily be stored. In a dry place.
  17. 0
    2 February 2023 01: 05
    The shells are okay, but are the barrels themselves eternal or what?
  18. +4
    2 February 2023 08: 18
    Here you are, 122 mm shells for the D-30. There are 73 years, and, attention: shells and charges are 22 years old, which means mass production and provision of troops is getting better.
    1. +2
      2 February 2023 09: 43
      I'm not sure, but how was the batch-year-factory marking. So on the top photo of the shells of 2011, they are quite decent. On the lower 72 and 59th, a little rusty. It is better to reject, but as the shooter screwed up, the intention to shoot. It would be nice to lengthen the rope and pull it out of hiding. In youth, they shot BP from the war. They were 40 years old and more. There were gaps in the trunk. 76 mm ZIS-3, training.
  19. 0
    2 February 2023 14: 36
    Dancing. The boy is dancing with the girl. What is your name? Marusya. Where do you work? In a dump factory. What are you doing over there? Sulfur matches. And how much do you earn? And how much naser. ------- There are shells that do not hit anywhere, they are collected, then they pick up the shells and shoot every once in a while.
  20. 0
    2 February 2023 23: 19
    At least you do not need to dispose of and spend money on it. And also updating the warehouses to a more recent one.

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