Why did Prigozhin invite Strelkov to Wagner PMC

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Why did Prigozhin invite Strelkov to Wagner PMC

The most discussed event of the past week was the public discussion between the ex-minister of defense of the DPR, retired FSB colonel Igor Strelkov (Girkin) and businessman and founder of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin.

The discussion, it must be admitted, is rather strange - at first, E. Prigozhin publicly invited Strelkov to the Wagner PMC, and then, after the colonel expressed his readiness to consider this proposal if it contained specifics, he began to insult him and, moreover, threatened to interrogate council of the commanders of the "musicians" for the "surrender of Slavyansk."



In parallel with this, some other bloggers and public figures, who criticized him before, joined in the “exposing” of Strelkov. Of course, after such a statement by Prigozhin, there could no longer be any talk of Strelkov joining Wagner.

In this regard, a logical question arises - why did Yevgeny Prigozhin invite Igor Strelkov to the PMC, but did everything to make him refuse this offer? This aspect will be considered in this article.

Myths about the "surrender of Slavyansk"


To begin with, it should be noted that the retreat of the DPR people's militia under the leadership of Igor Strelkov (Girkin) from Slavyansk over eight and a half years has been overgrown with various myths and conjectures, some of which have acquired completely ridiculous features.

As you know, the first to criticize Igor Strelkov for retreating from Slavyansk was political scientist Sergei Kurginyan, who said that the leader of the DPR militia unfairly accused Russia of insufficient assistance to the DPR and, moreover, allegedly “agreed with the Ukrainian side to be presented with a corridor” for the exit from the city. Of course, he did not provide any evidence of this and ignored the fact that the successful breakthrough of the militia from Slavyansk was facilitated by a distracting attack by an armored group, most of which died.

Over time, the accusations against Strelkov from Kurginyan kept growing: in 2020, he blamed ex-Minister of Defense of the DPR that he was nothing less than "going to raise a rebellion in southern Russia in order to overthrow Russian President Vladimir Putin." Again, no reasonable arguments were presented in favor of this unfounded accusation.

The head of the Union of Volunteers of Donbass Alexander Boroday and the former commander of the Gorlovka militia Igor Bezler, with whom Strelkov had a conflict in Donbass, subsequently joined the accusations of “surrendering Slavyansk”.

It got to the point that the ex-mayor of Slavyansk, Neli Shtepa, in an interview with the Ukrainian media, began to talk about the fact that Igor Strelkov was "sent to Slavyansk by Ukraine in order to drag Russia into the war." Despite the absurdity of this statement, there were those who believed in this version.

At the same time, Igor Strelkov himself repeatedly explained why the DPR militia was forced to retreat from the city. In an interview with Gennady Dubov , published on the website of the newspaper "Tomorrow" in 2019, he noted:

“I understood that Slavyansk would be surrounded in the near future, and I understood that no one would release it. There are no forces to release the blockade on the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, just not ... The encirclement of Slavyansk, as soon as it takes place, immediately after that, the enemy will occupy entire areas that were behind our front, and which were not covered by anyone, practically without a fight.
On the night when we were leaving the city, the enemy had already entered Artyomovsk in a large column the night before, in a few minutes defeated the militia commandant's office there and occupied the city. That is, it was already about the fact that the second ring of encirclement was already forming, which inevitably cut off us from Gorlovka and Donetsk in just a few days, which, in fact, would have taken place if we had not left the entire Kramatorsk-Druzhkovka-Konstantinovka arc .
Until the very last moment, I hoped that help would be given with weapons that would help hold the city. This help was constantly late, was constantly insufficient, and at the time of the exit, I understood that we would be able to hold the city in the event of a direct assault, but we would not be able to prevent its encirclement, ”

Strelkov noted.

According to him, the militia had three mortar batteries, there were only 57 mines in the warehouse for all these batteries, there were two serviceable tank with one and a half ammunition, three infantry fighting vehicles, two infantry fighting vehicles, one armored personnel carrier and two serviceable Nonas. At the same time, critical ammunition for the Nons was not enough.

In another interview, Strelkov noted that there were 2 shells for 40 serviceable Nonas.

Subsequently, he repeatedly repeatedthat the main reason for the retreat from Slavyansk was an acute shortage of ammunition and equipment and a direct threat of encirclement.

And now about the fact that Igor Strelkov allegedly received money from the Ukrainian oligarch Rinat Akhmetov for the surrender of Slavyansk (there are rumors about “several trucks”), for which Yevgeny Prigozhin accused him, among other things. Several questions immediately arise: if Igor Strelkov received so much money for surrendering the city, then why didn’t he buy expensive real estate, why doesn’t he have his own car, but travels by metro, where ordinary Muscovites have repeatedly seen him? Where did the money go, if there was any?

Paradoxical as it may seem, but the more time passes from the moment Strelkov left Slavyansk, the more accusations about this are being poured against him. While the abandonment of the Russian city of Kherson, which happened quite recently, and the city was not threatened with encirclement, especially active patriotic bloggers prefer either not to mention it, or call it a forced and necessary measure.

Strelkov-Prigozhin conflict: how did it all start?


Returning to the public discussion between Prigogine and Strelkov, we should remember how it began. After Igor Strelkov In an interview "National Service News"(NSN) criticized the leadership of the PMC" Wagner ", which "excellent assault infantry in the most mediocre way put in frontal attacks", and made several attacks on Yevgeny Prigozhin (noting that he "should not be allowed into public space because of the background of a criminal" ), the founder of "Wagner" decided to invite him to the "musicians".

“As the senior head of Wagner PMC, I invite Mr. Girkin to the front. I suggest that he arrive on the territory of the LPR to be appointed to a senior position, according to his competence, in one of the assault units, ”

Prigogine said.

Igor Strelkov, in response, was not at a loss, and noted that if a specific proposal follows from Wagner PMC, he will be ready to consider it.

“I am ready to consider such a proposal if it is properly executed and does not look like a mockery or a special set-up against me ...
I believe that such proposals should not be made through the public media. Or, since they have already been announced, they should be backed up and developed by negotiations in the normal mode, i.e. through official representatives of Wagner PMC. Which in Moscow (or at least in St. Petersburg), I believe, are more than enough, ”

Strelkov answered.

Such an answer was more than correct, given that the assault unit is still not the specifics of Igor Strelkov, as military commander Yuri Kotenok rightly noted.

“As for whether Girkin will go to the front. I think that he is given a real chance to recover on the front line, especially since last time he was deprived of such an opportunity due to cowardice or stupidity (not him). Another thing is that they call him to the assault unit, and this is not exactly Igor's specificity.
Many do not understand who Strelkov is, and what his fighting path is. The man served in the FSB, worked in the gang underground in Chechnya, had success, for which he was awarded, but he never commanded in full-fledged military operations. Yes, he was appointed Minister of Defense of the DPR, but it was a symbol due to the success in Slovyansk and his popularity.
He did not conduct large-scale military operations. This is true. The capture of Slavyansk by a small detachment is a classic operation of saboteurs ...
Without the capture of Slavyansk, the current NWO would have been impossible. But actions in combined arms combat, especially the command of an assault unit, are another specificity, ”

- said Kitten.

And indeed, you see, it is rather strange to invite a person with the rank of colonel, who is already over 50, into an assault unit.

And then there was a speech by Yevgeny Prigozhin, in which, in addition to obscene insults against Strelkov, said that

“In Lugansk, he will fall under the standard procedure – the council of commanders,” where “a couple of dozen people” will tell him: “Why did you come here?”, And then they will ask questions: “Why did you surrender Slavyansk and take money from Akhmetov?”

In fact, this meant that Strelkov had to come to Luhansk for interrogation.

Of course, after the corresponding statement by Prigozhin appeared in the media, Igor Strelkov refused to join the Wagner PMC.

Why was Strelkov called to the Wagner PMC?


After that, a heated discussion began in the public field: some bloggers were quick to accuse Igor Strelkov of cowardice and that he was “looking for a reason to refuse” to participate in hostilities in the NVO zone as part of the “musicians”. However, I would like each reader to answer the question for himself: if you were offered to volunteer in a certain unit, but at the same time accompanied this proposal with insults and threats, would you agree to this proposal?

“The problem is in the level of discussion, in the level of argumentation, and not in vocabulary. A self-respecting person cannot stoop in discussions, face-to-face or in absentia, it doesn’t matter, to the level of Kurginyan’s argumentation, ”

- this is how Andrey Morozov, a fighter of the People's Militia of the LPR, commented on the incident.

It is quite possible to agree with this, but the main question arises - why Yevgeny Prigozhin, who is one of the few businessmen actively helping Russian fighters in the NVO zone, and the owner of a small private army (which, by the way, has a dubious reputation in Lugansk until 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX), quite successfully operating in the LPR and DPR, did this, and not otherwise? After all, it is obvious that no one really invited Strelkov to fight in the zone of a special military operation. The offer was made in such a way that it could not be accepted.

Most likely, this is part of an information attack on Igor Strelkov, which has two components.

Firstly, Strelkov’s criticism of the course of the NWO irritates the political circles of Russia quite strongly, and partially patriotic circles, hence the next denigrating information campaign against him.

In addition, the discrediting of one of the main critics of the military operation on the national-patriotic flank is needed as a diversion of society's attention to an unusable object in order to let off steam. Why discuss the “regrouping” near Kharkov or near Kherson, if you can talk about Strelkov leaving Slavyansk in 2014?

Secondly, it seems that Igor Strelkov is finally “closing the door” to the front - after failing to get into the NVO zone on his own and refusing to join the Wagner PMC, he will be made claims that “if if he wanted to fight, he would have already fought, there was such an opportunity. The fact that in fact Strelkov did not have such an opportunity will not bother the layman - many of us do not like to compare facts and listen to someone's arguments, it is enough that we heard on TV or read in the media.

It is not very clear why Yevgeny Prigozhin took part in this campaign, probably in this way he is trying to clean up competitors on the patriotic flank.

On the whole, it can be stated that instead of starting to solve the real problems of the Russian army, punishing the real perpetrators of the fact that the NMD is going exactly this way and not otherwise, we are watching how people who have no real power become objects of criticism , but on the contrary - striving to ensure that these same changes take place. This is clearly not good for Russia.
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  1. -11
    February 3 2023
    Policy. Strelkov also has serious people behind him.
    1. +43
      February 3 2023
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      Policy. Strelkov also has serious people behind him.


      Perhaps, but the situation in 2014 was such that those forces (serious people / some kind of stratum of patriotic circles) that started actions in the Donbass did not receive support in the Kremlin offices ... i.e. Strelkov's criticism in 2014 regarding the leadership of the Russian Federation is fully justified.

      After all, we all remember how quickly Crimea was annexed, and how the situation with Donetsk/Luhansk stalled, where there was no political will, but there were calls not to hold a referendum on joining Russia and, in general, to wait with any votes on secession from Ukraine ... then there were the Minsk agreements, where our elites tried to return the Donbass back and have sanctions lifted from them (for Crimea), the only trouble is that the West simply did not want to talk, but only played for time .....

      And the main questions arise just in time for the GDP, because it was with his go-ahead that the annexation of Crimea began, and he certainly was aware of the situation in the Donbass ... but for some reason he did not dare to take further action.

      But there are no questions for Strelkov, time shows that he was right in many ways, both in criticism and in assessing the situation on the battlefield .... probably that's why the Kremlin does not like him. There are many questions about Prigozhin and this situation.... I see 3 possible options here: 1) Prigozhin was offended by Strelkov's comments regarding Wagner, and decided to respond in this way. 2) A decree came from above 3) There is already a political struggle between patriotic circles for the best place .... and this whole story with an invitation is from this series.
      1. +15
        February 3 2023
        And then there was a speech by Yevgeny Prigozhin, in which, in addition to obscene insults against Strelkov,

        After
        this
        Prigozhin's speech, where he expressed his attitude using prison jargon and obscenities, he became an unacceptable director of PMCs for many. It's not about hypocrisy, the general's mat was heard in all its manifestations, but not once did the military leaders stoop to public prison slang. The army is about protecting the interests of the Motherland, and not for thieves stuffing their pockets at the expense of "suckers".
      2. -21
        February 3 2023
        Strelkov has become a blogger, nothing more and nothing less.
        He would be more useful if he distinguished himself now in any actual assistance to the NWO.
        And so he turned into a "glamorous person."
        Prigogine is right.
        1. +9
          February 5 2023
          You will not believe it, but he also really helps the CBO, like many "glamourous bloggers". And as a "boger" I personally agree with him. Not that I closely followed his "creativity", but from what I really heard, I did not see a single thesis with which I myself would not agree. Unlike the newfangled "blogger" Prigozhen.
        2. +1
          February 7 2023
          The Moor has done his work - the Moor can rest. I don’t understand why he is in such a media field? For what? He was remembered for those times on the positive side, that's all, his time is gone. Why? Even the Zhukovs were moved. War is such a thing - winning will always fail, and the political tangle is heterogeneous, everyone has their own interests (usually expressed in money and power), so in vain it climbs at all, it will flow around for a long time and strongly. I would sit, but help the front, as a volunteer, and there are no connections.
      3. +18
        February 3 2023
        Yes, most likely the command came to neutralize Strelkov by publicly discrediting him. Igor Ivanovich, among other things, is just a good analyst. And all his predictions are actually being realized. The only pity is that they are being implemented according to the worst option so far.
        1. -20
          February 3 2023
          Yes, what an analyst he is - a talker, of which there are enough on this portal. They kicked his ass - now it burns. Let him come out and say everything to everyone in person. And then like a market woman.
        2. +6
          February 4 2023
          Quote: yuriy1863
          Yes, most likely the command was received to neutralize Strelkov through public discrediting.

          And as a result, Prigozhin discredited both himself and Putin?
          1. +1
            February 5 2023
            And as a result, Prigozhin discredited both himself and Putin?

            Well, he does what he can.
    2. +36
      February 3 2023
      There are no "serious people" behind Strelkov now, otherwise he would have behaved differently. More precisely, the events around him would have been different.
      The problem is that even without "serious people" Strelkov is perceived by a certain part of society as a leader and a reliable source of information.
      At the same time, he is a critic of the current government. This situation requires resolution, therefore: no one "from the Directory of Bonaparte will let the troops into the troops" under any circumstances; other leaders are being created, for example, Prilepin and Rogozin. As you can see, the solutions are so-so, but Strelkov is not "Lesha the blogger" and his question cannot be solved just like that ...

      PS. Suddenly, Viktor Biryukov (Lugansk) appeared among the authors of VO, who has been writing good articles for a year now. What does it mean?
  2. +37
    February 3 2023
    I don’t like all this fuss around Strelkov ... now is not the time to arrange a showdown with each other in the NWO.
    Ukronatsiks only need us to squabble with each other now ... all this must be left until the complete Victory over Bandera.
    1. +39
      February 3 2023
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I don’t like all this fuss around Strelkov ... now is not the time to arrange a showdown with each other in the NWO.

      Yes, it's sad. Prigozhin behaves like an urca, not a person. I think on the other side, palms rubbing with pleasure. But the abscess had to be opened, otherwise there would be gangrene. request People, the best people, volunteers, are put in frontal attacks. This is how we fought in 1941. Our ammunition depots are not endless, Trunks are shot. fool We do not live in the USSR. The factories of the military-industrial complex were thinned out.
      1. +26
        February 3 2023
        With all the effectiveness of Wagner, some facts of the biography of individual characters are very tense. Prigogine, in an interview, notes the special qualities of a certain copy of the black realtors, who killed a family of 4 people and served 15 (!!!) years. So in the mouth of Prigozhin, this killer at the front is worth ten! No, well, there is a big chance that this type of poop will bang, but the fact itself ...
        1. +6
          February 3 2023
          as far as I remember, not in defense, the phrase was said when he compared this "hero" and unfired volunteers or conscripts. This individual has already broken down in relation to the murder, he will not reflect and fall into a stupor ...
        2. -6
          February 3 2023
          Quote: Xenofont
          So in the mouth of Prigozhin, this killer at the front is worth ten!

          And how do you feel about Kotovsky? The same was far from "white and fluffy" before the Revolution and there were enough human lives on his conscience, and most importantly, he was not the only one
          1. +9
            February 3 2023
            The example is unsuccessful, Kotovsky himself went on the attack, and did not "pose for the cameras." Well, Kotovsky still had a good education at that time.
            1. -3
              February 3 2023
              Quote: Churchill
              The example fails

              Wait, so you deny that Kotovsky was a robber and murderer before the Revolution?
              Quote: Churchill
              Kotovsky himself went on the attack, and did not "pose for the cameras"
              Yes????? Are you sure you understand the issue being discussed? In fact, there was a discussion of a man who killed a family of four, who received 15 years for this, and is now rehabilitated and even awarded a state award, personally by Putin. And do you think that he "did not attack, but only promoted"?
              1. +4
                February 5 2023
                Here, too, not from a great mind, such cases are pulled out into the public space. You need a PMC in order to do "dirty deeds" - well, do it, but do it silently. We need convicts at the front - well, do what you need, but at least without such sentimental details.
                I fully support Strelkov in that this Prigozhin should not be released into the public field at all.
          2. +5
            February 4 2023
            Quote: svp67
            And how do you feel about Kotovsky? The same was far from "white and fluffy" before the Revolution and there were enough human lives on his conscience, and most importantly, he was not the only one

            When Kotovsky wrote a petition addressed to General Brusilov to commute the death sentence to a term of imprisonment, he argued that in his entire rich history of robberies he had never committed murders and therefore expected that he would not be executed either. In Moldova, the name of Kotovsky is still highly respected. Usually murderers do not enjoy the respect of the common man. And in Russia, I have not heard accusations against Brusilov of the fallacy of this pardon, even from firm opponents of the Communists.
        3. +9
          February 3 2023
          Quote: Xenofont
          So in the mouth of Prigozhin, this killer at the front is worth ten! No, well, there is a big chance that this type of poop will bang, but the fact itself ...

          Well so ...
          But in the mouth of Roman Skomorokhov, the semi-criminal contingent under the command of Prigozhin is a model of the future Russian army. Her standard.
          And Prigozhin himself needs to be equal to the regular officers of the Russian army and learn from his experience in command and control.
          The Russian officer, of course, acquired his experience in military schools and academies, unlike Prigogine. He did not trample the zone. And in vain, it turns out. Perhaps Prigozhin's combat successes are explained precisely by his earlier camp experience? This point should be considered and recommended.
          1. -2
            February 3 2023
            Quote from: skeptick2
            Perhaps Prigozhin's combat successes are explained precisely by his earlier camp experience?

            Maybe he really understood there that specialists are needed everywhere and all military affairs in Wagner are run by military men with good theoretical, and most importantly, practical training ...
            1. +4
              February 3 2023
              Quote: svp67
              Maybe he really understood there that specialists are needed everywhere

              Well so ...
              What am I talking about?
              A man of the cadet corps did not finish, he specialized in another part - robbery, robbery, theft, fraud and a whole bunch of other articles. I honestly rewound the "chervonets" in the zone, gained invaluable experience.
              Which I recommend to introduce into the Russian army.
              1. +2
                February 3 2023
                Quote from: skeptick2
                A man of the cadet corps did not finish, he specialized in another part - robbery, robbery, theft, fraud and a whole bunch of other articles. I honestly rewound the "chervonets" in the zone, gained invaluable experience.
                Which I recommend to introduce into the Russian army.

                Mr. Prigozhin is only the supply manager of this organization, all military issues, like when and where this PMC will be used, is far from being decided by him
                1. 0
                  February 4 2023
                  Mr. Prigozhin is only the supply manager of this organization, all military issues, like when and where this PMC will be used, is far from being decided by him
                  That's right, in addition to everything else, he is not yet "Putin's cook."
                  But the label is firmly stuck on.
                  1. +1
                    February 4 2023
                    Quote: flicker
                    Mr. Prigozhin is only the supply manager of this organization, all military issues, like when and where this PMC will be used, is far from being decided by him
                    That's right, in addition to everything else, he is not yet "Putin's cook."
                    But the label is firmly stuck on.

                    It is well known that Prigozhin was named "Putin's cook" for the first time in the structures of the bulk carriers. Navalny tried to create a black "PR agency" and receive income from payments to politicians and businessmen in exchange for the termination of investigations by Navalny.
              2. +4
                February 5 2023
                I honestly rewound the "chervonets" in the zone, gained invaluable experience.
                Which I recommend to introduce into the Russian army.

                And I would suggest to implement this experience starting from the top. The Minister of Defense, together with the entire General Staff, should be sent to places not so remote on the same "chervonets". Exclusively for the exchange of experience.
        4. +16
          February 3 2023
          Alexander Tyutin, who previously received 23 years in prison for organizing the murder of a family of four, served in the Wagner PMC and is now a free man.

          Tyutin, 66, was able to serve even without being wounded, and is now on vacation in Turkey: law enforcement officers have no questions for him.

          Bingo! The kid came to success, crushing enemies with RPGs. At 66 years old.
          And the fact that the millions proceeded from the murder of his business partner remained with his wife does not play a role here at all.
        5. +1
          February 4 2023
          It is too early to talk about the strong effectiveness of Wagner. Soledar, of course, is good, dashing, well, a couple of three sat down, but these are by and large trifles ... Artemovsk has not been taken, Maryinka has not been taken, Avdiivka has not been taken ...
          And now he turned sharply to Seversk, leaving all of the above? One gets the impression that we are attacking everything in a row without any coherent plan ...
          Or we attack where it is easier, or something is not clear. But it's too early to praise them.
          1. +1
            February 4 2023
            Quote: Alexey G
            It is too early to talk about the strong effectiveness of Wagner. Soledar, of course, is good, dashing, well, a couple of three sat down, but these are by and large trifles ... Artemovsk has not been taken, Maryinka has not been taken, Avdiivka has not been taken ...

            Palmyra has been taken, a "balance" has been established in Libya, the countries of Africa are actively moving away from France, inviting instructors from Wagner, in South America, somehow the Americans did not work out very well in overthrowing, including the physical Madura, they perked up in Nicaragua, after their arrival "musicians" ... Yes, it's hard to call it "efficiency"
            1. +3
              February 4 2023
              Quote: svp67
              Palmyra has been taken, a "balance" has been established in Libya, African countries are actively moving away from France, inviting instructors from Wagner,

              Military successes are not supported by political and economic ones. The Syrians, for example, tried to purchase equipment for the production of gypsum panels not directly from Russia through the mediation of Russian generals who fought in Syria, but through Tajik businessmen. Strelkov's example shows that Prigozhin's structures are more effective at wiping out Russian businesses that are not under their control from working in Africa, Afghanistan and Syria than the Western Foreign Ministry and special services.
            2. +1
              February 6 2023
              Quote: svp67
              Palmyra has been taken, a "balance" has been established in Libya, the countries of Africa are actively moving away from France, inviting instructors from Wagner, in South America, somehow the Americans did not work out very well in overthrowing, including the physical Madura, they perked up in Nicaragua, after their arrival "musicians" ... Yes, it's hard to call it "efficiency"

              convicts didn’t go there .. it was the professional part of the PMC that worked .. and now + 300% to the number and this is 300% - ZK .. so you shouldn’t mix + data on their losses in the NWO - I think they will never be published .. and the question is, what did the Russian Federation receive from Africa, but from South America? certain preferences were given to companies..and the Russian Federation?
              1. +2
                February 6 2023
                and the question is, what did the Russian Federation receive from Africa, but from South America? certain preferences were given to companies..and the Russian Federation?

                And these companies, one way or another, are the Russian Federation .. The Russian Federation is a capitalist country in the capitalist world.
      2. -1
        February 3 2023
        Prigogine behaves like an urca, not a person


        Actually, it was Strelkov who became personal. It's wrong to get personal. If you dig into your biography, you can also be called names. It is necessary to judge by deeds, Prigozhin has achieved significant success, he is well done, unlike the Moscow Region.
        in frontal attacks.

        So the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a solid defensive line, where you don’t storm everywhere it turns out in the forehead. The Armed Forces of Ukraine do not provide a corridor so that they can be attacked in the flank, sorry. Therefore, you first need to storm in the forehead to break through the corridor and then surround.

        And you yourself are not able to draw conclusions, but only repeat like a parrot.

        Strelkov said a lot of offensive words against Shoigu and the generals, and in many respects correctly, for which he is being poured with mud.
  3. +3
    February 3 2023
    Article on the topic: What about talking? Over a glass of tea .. Now, opinions will be divided, who is for Strelkov, who is for Prigozhin ..
    1. +8
      February 3 2023
      So Yes. But, if, as one blogger said, you read the biography of these characters from open sources, you can think about it.
      1. -15
        February 3 2023
        Quote: Lykases1
        But, if, as one blogger said, you read the biography of these characters from open sources, you can think about it.

        And especially if you read about their deeds after 2014 ... One has already conquered almost half of Africa, expelled France from there, now the result is showing in the Donbass, while the other only groans about "missed victories" and "wrong power", but on enemy information resources "PR".
        With all the denial of Prigozhin's past, I personally cannot help but see that in this situation he is a more significant and strategic figure than Girkin, whose limit is the battalion commander
        1. +2
          February 4 2023
          Quote: svp67
          With all the denial of Prigozhin's past, I personally cannot help but see that in this situation he is a more significant and strategic figure than Girkin, whose limit is the battalion commander


          Girkin was initially assigned the role of battalion commander, so he remained at this level alive, offended, without support. Prigogine, with all this, has a red carpet, apparently. They were originally in different conditions.
    2. 0
      February 3 2023
      Please note that the third option is not offered ..
  4. +16
    February 3 2023
    The author correctly deduced - Strelkov was clearly cut off from the Donbass. For what reason - now is not the time to disassemble. However, after the war, it would be nice to raise many questions.
    For example, about helping Slavyansk - whether or not there was, that there was zero equipment, and in Donetsk, even when a group from Slavyansk broke into Donetsk, there was a framed (one and a half ensign) tank unit in the city, which at that time remained completely Ukrainian - and with serviceable tanks ?! In the city itself?
    1. +15
      February 3 2023
      The author correctly deduced - Strelkov was clearly cut off from the Donbass. For what reason - now is not the time to disassemble.
      I.V. Strelkov, with his appearance in the Donbass in 2014, confused many cards, for which he still cannot be forgiven. But for the whole people, I.V. Strelkov will remain a symbol of the uprising of Donbass, no matter who speaks about him. He has already entered his name in history and only time will judge who is right and who is wrong.
      At VO in 2018 there was already an article about the events of 2014, I give an excerpt from it:
      Donbass oligarchy, knowing that the Russian leadership does not support the idea of ​​creating enclaves outside the control of Kiev in the Donbas, tried to use the protests of the DPR, and then the LPR, controlled by them, the leadership of the DPR.
      Such actions of the oligarchy and the leadership of the republics were also beneficial to the putschists, since Russia's support for the republics drew it into a military conflict in Ukraine. The United States, in complete control of the putschists, was striving for just that. Therefore, after the proclamation of the DPR and LPR, the putschists did not take any measures to eliminate them for a long time, until the Strelkov factor intervened.

      Ссылка на статью:https://topwar.ru/143769-russkaya-vesna-na-ukraine-v-2014-chast-4-proekt-novorossiya-brosok-strelkova-na-slavyansk.html?ysclid=ldo4vnqmrj370723595
      1. -13
        February 3 2023
        Quote: Gomunkul
        The author correctly deduced - Strelkov was clearly cut off from the Donbass. For what reason - now is not the time to disassemble.
        I.V. Strelkov, with his appearance in the Donbass in 2014, confused many cards, for which he still cannot be forgiven. But for the whole people, I.V. Strelkov will remain a symbol of the uprising of Donbass, no matter who speaks about him. He has already entered his name in history and only time will judge who is right and who is wrong.
        At VO in 2018 there was already an article about the events of 2014, I give an excerpt from it:
        Donbass oligarchy, knowing that the Russian leadership does not support the idea of ​​creating enclaves outside the control of Kiev in the Donbas, tried to use the protests of the DPR, and then the LPR, controlled by them, the leadership of the DPR.
        Such actions of the oligarchy and the leadership of the republics were also beneficial to the putschists, since Russia's support for the republics drew it into a military conflict in Ukraine. The United States, in complete control of the putschists, was striving for just that. Therefore, after the proclamation of the DPR and LPR, the putschists did not take any measures to eliminate them for a long time, until the Strelkov factor intervened.

        Ссылка на статью:https://topwar.ru/143769-russkaya-vesna-na-ukraine-v-2014-chast-4-proekt-novorossiya-brosok-strelkova-na-slavyansk.html?ysclid=ldo4vnqmrj370723595

        You tell the Donetsk people that Girkin is a symbol, and not Zakharchenko, Givi, Motorola, Kachura and others.
        And why didn’t anyone see Girkin in Lugansk, or is Lugansk not Donbass?
        1. +14
          February 3 2023
          And why didn’t anyone see Girkin in Lugansk, or is Lugansk not Donbass?
          You have poorly studied materiel, Strelkov could not be in Lugansk, because. was in Slavyansk and was related to the DPR.
          On April 12, 2014, a group of Strelkov, who called themselves supporters of the Donetsk People's Republic, seized administrative buildings (police, city council) in the city of Slovyansk, Donetsk region, announcing the transfer of the city under the control of the DPR

          And in
          On August 14, 2014, Strelkov resigned from the post of Minister of Defense of the DPR "in connection with the transfer to another job." On August 15, the head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko, announced that Strelkov had gone on a month's vacation, and he "will have new assignments on the territory of Novorossia."
          In September of the same year, Igor Strelkov said in an interview that he did not intend to return to the Donbass,
          Igor Ivanovich called the reason for his departure a political decision by the authorities.

          hi
          1. -12
            February 3 2023
            Quote: Gomunkul
            allowed

            If he wasn't there, why the hell would Girkin be the defender of the ENTIRE Donbass?
            You yourself say that he was only in Slavyansk.
            Someone other cities also defended.
            So it’s rather weak for you, with pulling an owl on a globe and Girkin on the entire Donbass. Doesn't fit.
    2. +13
      February 3 2023
      However, after the war, it would be nice to raise many questions.

      Now it is quite clear that the Kremlin did not support the Russian spring and, moreover, began to merge this spring.
      On the Maidan in 14, Bandera raised a wave of hatred and Russophobia, some Ukrainians began to resist Bandera, they began to organize themselves, it was necessary to help this process a little, but the Kremlin gradually merged everything. Because yachts and estates, as well as the fortunes of the oligarchs, estimated in the hundreds of billions (giant amounts) were more important than the interests of the country.

      For example, about helping Slavyansk - it was or was not, that the technology was zero,

      If these were the interests of the states, then be sure that echelons of equipment would go to Slavyansk. oligarchs do not live in the Russian Federation, so they do not care about the country.
      By the way, the fifth column, which is being fed by the authorities, has started a campaign of discrimination against the Russian Federation and espionage against the RF Armed Forces, which in itself is nonsense ...
  5. +18
    February 3 2023
    Evgenia Prigozhina (noting that he "should not be allowed into public space because of the background of a criminal"),
    So who are you going with... request that is what you will become.
    And in general, the frontal attacks of the Wagner not only grind the Nazis, but also our passionate patriots, request objectionable to "our oligarchs" and the West.
    1. -6
      February 3 2023
      the frontal attacks of the Wagner not only grind the Nazis, but also our passionate patriots

      How are you going to win? Sitting on the couch?
  6. +38
    February 3 2023
    The author, one of the most interesting in VO. And now it's going against the "mainstream" again. Didn't see where he was wrong.
    If Strelkov had at least part of Prigozhin's resources, this SVO would not be needed at all.
    1. -23
      February 3 2023
      I'm interested. How would a whiner who was not even at the front, but hung out at the border, and who was kicked out as unnecessary, would help Russia with money? What would this crazy person do, who yelled during the Syrian campaign that "The Syrian war is lost, we are waiting for the collapse of Russia"?
    2. -20
      February 3 2023
      Quote: samarin1969
      If Strelkov had at least part of Prigozhin's resources, this SVO would not be needed at all

      And nothing that they started from the same positions. But one was able to take advantage of the chance that he was given, and the other ... well, you know.
      At the beginning of the creation of Wagner, they did not have anything like they have now, just as there was no special support from the authorities, they were dispersed and arrested abroad, but they were reborn and Prigogine managed to prove that he was capable of great things, but Girkin - no
      1. +13
        February 3 2023
        Quote: svp67
        At the beginning of the creation of Wagner, they had nothing like what they have now, just as there was no special support from the authorities


        Wagner became known as the largest PMC in the Middle East and Africa. Prigozhin lit up in rather high offices. And most of them are not criminals at all. Strelkov's former connections in the FSB and Malafeev's structures are unlikely to have provided significant support. Comparing them is just wrong.
        1. -9
          February 3 2023
          Quote: samarin1969
          Strelkov's former connections in the FSB and Malafeev's structures are unlikely to have provided significant support.

          That is, you think that he just, well, purely "accidentally" wandered into Slavyansk, at the head of a well-trained group of fighters who know how to organize a partisan movement behind enemy lines ... And most importantly, they crossed our border with weapons ... Probably lucky that it was not our border guards from the FSB, not the Ukrainian ones from the Ministry of Internal Affairs who stopped them and did not check ...
          What are you all naive.
  7. +27
    February 3 2023
    I don’t know what about trucks with money for Slavyansk, but after Kherson, 6 billion were unblocked for Abramovich, and restrictions were lifted from a number of Russian embassies.
    1. -15
      February 3 2023
      Quote: lis-ik
      but after Kherson, 6 billion were unblocked for Abramovich, and restrictions were removed from a number of Russian embassies.

      And tell me it’s convenient to sum up some facts under others ... they came to the all-powerful Can with searches, do you want me to link this with the migration of penguins in Antarctica?
      As for Slavyansk, I, like many then, followed the unfolding events in the VO and even then noted for myself the local nature of the clashes. He also noted the superiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in technology and support. Yes, it was possible to fight in Slavyansk, following the example of Grozny in 95. And then? No one would allow the militia to leave the city, as they do now in relation to Banderlogs. Yes, the militia in Slavyansk would have held out for two, three weeks, pulling over very significant forces, giving others the opportunity to build a line of defense ... AT WHAT COST? I suspect that Strelkov did not want to pay this price with the lives of the militias.
      I have never been a fan of Strelkov and I am not a fan of Prigozhin, but my personal opinion is that Strelkov climbs where they don’t ask and with what they don’t ask.
      I want to remind you that Strelkov, before inviting the "musicians", somehow unsuccessfully commanded and formed the N-th division ... to recall his meager excuses for his failures in this field, they raise a lot of unpleasant questions addressed to him. I did not monitor the situation of the S&P conflict, but ... they openly tell you that you will be asked questions "on the advice of commanders" that you will have to answer ... i.e. they warn you about an interview according to which your competence will be judged, since you are so eager to go to the front, and based on the results of this interview, a position will be offered ... agree, this is logical. How logical it is that if you're so eager to take part, GO AND TAKE IT. If you feel the truth behind you, you have nothing to fear.
      And here Strelkov writes about some kind of conversation with Prigozhin, accusing the latter of insults, on the basis of which it was decided not to go anywhere, not to join and not take part ... offended the mouse, wrote to the mink? Agree a comfortable position to jump off? I want to remind all the defenders of Strelkov that all these battles took place ON THE NETWORK. But one of the opponents was in the rear...
      No one will say what really happened there, and over time, all this will become overgrown with conjectures and conjectures ... because some will be silent, not wanting to get dirty, others will be silent for fear of hearing unpleasant questions, but what is certain and without alternative, so it is that "the war will write everything off", although those who fought there, and not on the network, will be remembered.
      P.S. One must be able to return from the war ... a man who was awarded two Orders of the Red Star once told me.
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      2. +24
        February 3 2023
        Quote: Canecat
        I did not monitor the situation of the S&P conflict, but ... they openly tell you that you will be asked questions "on the advice of commanders" that you will have to answer ... i.e. they warn you about an interview according to which your competence will be judged, since you are so eager to go to the front, and based on the results of this interview, a position will be offered ... agree, this is logical.
        It is not logical to promise to relieve a small need in front of the invitee, in case of displeasure.
        1. -14
          February 3 2023
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          It is not logical to promise to relieve a small need

          I'm not making excuses for Prigozhin, but I would like to "lower", I could do it more gracefully ... and so the Internet battle "my kungfu is cooler than yours."
          And yes ... "try to escape" ... and not immediately "posture on his face." Those. somewhere when it was "escape" already.
      3. +3
        February 4 2023
        Quote: Canecat
        you are openly told that you will be asked questions "on the advice of the commanders" that you will have to answer ... i.e. warn of an interview that will judge your competence
        And, as I understand it, the Wagnerites have a standard procedure.
    2. +19
      February 3 2023
      but after Kherson, 6 billion was unblocked for Abramovich,
      Shhh can't talk about it. It's better to scold the alcove with a jackdaw.
      1. -9
        February 3 2023
        Quote: Gardamir
        but after Kherson, 6 billion was unblocked for Abramovich,
        Shhh can't talk about it. It's better to scold the alcove with a jackdaw.

        Yeah ... or about Rogozin and Girkin.
        A win-win option to collect a large number of posts on the article and safely.
  8. +19
    February 3 2023
    we bend our fingers over whom Prigozhin walked - the reindeer breeder Gerasimov himself Lapin Dimon Strelkov ... a merchant who was sitting for robbery with no side to the military ... what a roof he has ..
    he is in one bundle with Armageddon Footman. not a word about the sun...
    while Prigozhin does at least some result, he will be protected ... as the convicts start to run out, he will hang ... about what efficiency is there if we do not know his losses ...
    I agree that the srach was raised to fill the vacuum until changes happen at the front
    although it was never legalized - it will complete the task - they will merge
    1. 0
      February 7 2023
      Wagner is a useful tool in geopolitics. But it was useful in the neat form in which it was before the CBO. I think they will simply clean up Wagner, reveal a bunch of violations of the legislation of the Russian Federation, transplant a bunch of people, and the company will return to fulfilling small foreign orders. At least that's what I would do.
  9. -7
    February 3 2023
    Igor Strelkov, in an interview with the National News Service (NSN), criticized the leadership of the Wagner PMC, which "excellent assault infantry is incompetently laid in frontal attacks"

    A little lower

    given that the assault unit is still not the specifics of Igor Strelkov, as military commander Yuri Kotenok rightly noted.

    The author, so all the same balabol Strelkov or what?
    1. +12
      February 3 2023
      In order to see big losses, it is not necessary to be an expert ... You are fond of labeling, my friend.
      1. +4
        February 3 2023
        Quote: Just_Kvasha
        In order to see big losses, it is not necessary to be an expert ... You are fond of labeling, my friend.

        Let's do it better; You don't have to be a great specialist to see big losses. I agree, but where is the "labeling" here? If there is a fact, then I don’t give a shit about the village, which specialist arranged it. For the fact of large losses, one must answer and justify their necessity, and not threaten. This is where a specialist is needed. And where is he ?

        Better yet, let's remember not only Slavyansk, but also the story of the mass death of Wagnerites in Africa ..... during an attack on an oil field .... who arranged it? Was there a boy named "Ihtamnet"? Everything is deaf, like in a tank.
      2. -8
        February 3 2023
        Oh how. Did he see big losses from the couch? Does he get some information from the Wagnerites?
        As a result: not a specialist, in the absence of reliable information, on a TV channel, accuses people of criminal incompetence, practically of deliberate killing of people. Yeah, he's just a douche.
        1. +3
          February 3 2023
          And your favorite billionaire did not deny that the losses were large. Strelkov was not watching from the sofa. Of course, I can guess what insane admiration a rich gentleman arouses among the servants ...
          1. -2
            February 3 2023
            Strelkov was not watching from the sofa.

            Eeeee. From the trench? From the hospital? From the cemetery?

            Ivan, buy glasses and a goose. It will be easier for you to live. I bought glasses, I'm aiming for a goose ...
      3. -1
        February 4 2023
        Quote: Just_Kvasha
        You don't have to be an expert to see big losses.
        In order to assess losses as large or small, one must see the complexity of the tasks being solved by the Wagnerians, which is not easy to assess from the couch. And the leadership of PMCs, if we are talking about military operations, "frontal attacks", etc., is not Prigozhin, but military specialists with combat experience, whom Strelkov began to pour shit on for some reason.
  10. -13
    February 3 2023
    Subsequently, he repeatedly repeated that the main reason for the retreat from Slavyansk was an acute shortage of ammunition and equipment and a direct threat of encirclement.
    If you look at the chronicle of those days and see footage of captured weapons and ammunition by Ukraine in Slavyansk alone, is it somehow hard to believe in this, or did Girkin not know about these stocks?
    In real life, and not the one that our fantasies and the media paint for us, Prigogine has taken the place where Girkin should have been, and he is clearly not going to leave it. And Girkin MISSED his chance and no one will give him a second
    1. +6
      February 3 2023
      I advise you to watch a video on this topic on the voin ros channel. It completely explains some issues, including the reasons for leaving Slavyansk.
      1. -15
        February 3 2023
        Quote: Lykases1
        I advise you to watch a video on this topic on the voin ros channel.

        Thanks I'll take a look. It is interesting to find answers to those questions that I really do not know or do not guess.
        And Girkin should say "THANK YOU" to Prigozhin for doing everything that he would refuse ... Well, if, of course, he still wants to live
        1. +7
          February 3 2023
          Quote: svp67
          And Girkin should say "THANK YOU" to Prigogine for doing everything that he would refuse ...
          Why invite was then, initially?!
          1. -16
            February 3 2023
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Why invite was then, initially?!

            Then there were some circumstances, then they changed dramatically ... and the rhetoric immediately changed. Mr. Girkin messed up too much, according to the combat commanders of the Wagner, it was not in vain that they wanted to call him to the "court of honor" ...
            1. +28
              February 3 2023
              And who are these Wagner commanders to judge someone? Where do they get such powers from? For example, I have many questions about this PMC, given that in Lugansk (and not only) there have been rumors for a long time that they were involved in the murder of Alexei Mozgovoy. Has anyone judged them for this?
              1. +16
                February 3 2023
                Quote: Viktor Biryukov
                it was they who were involved in the murder of Alexei Mozgovoy. Has anyone judged them for this?
                I would also remember the murder of Bednov (Batman). hi
                Who exactly shot Bednov's motorcade is not known for certain. According to the official version, the execution was carried out by employees of the Ministry of State Security of the LPR in an attempt to detain. There is also a version that people from the people's militia allegedly fired. According to the version of the “Batman” people, the execution was carried out by a PMC of a certain Wagner, who is a retired military / vacationer from the Russian Federation.
                https://topwar.ru/66057-material-ot-obozrevatelya-borisa-rozhina-colonelcassad.html от 5 января 2015
              2. -23
                February 3 2023
                Quote: Viktor Biryukov
                And who are these Wagner commanders to judge someone?

                Well, they generally proved that their words differ little from their deeds, unlike Girkin. They have already squeezed half of Africa from the same France. Or do you think it's not?
                Quote: Viktor Biryukov
                Has anyone judged them for this?

                Did someone catch them?
                Quote: Viktor Biryukov
                given that in Luhansk (and not only) for a long time there were rumors that they were involved in the murder of Alexei Mozgovoy.

                You think that now "they opened their eyes" .... You are a naive person, that's what I want to say. Although he may be happy, you still believe people's words ...
                Girkin is far from being the person they are now trying to make of him ... It was not his scale and the one who entrusted him with it was mistaken.
                1. +18
                  February 3 2023
                  You are right, you were wrong. He was instructed only to distract Bandera from Krymnashi. And Strelkov raised a whole uprising in the Donbass.
                  1. -12
                    February 3 2023
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    And Strelkov raised a whole uprising in the Donbass.

                    It is impossible to raise an uprising where people are not ready to arrange it.
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    . He was instructed only to distract Bandera from Krymnashi.

                    Not only were they instructed, but they also set up both material support and provided personnel ... In which they clearly showed their stupidity and unwillingness, it was not necessary to bring Girkin to the fore, but someone from the locals ... In many ways, the situation could have developed differently if from the first days the "face" of the uprising had been a local, and not a newcomer from Russia. Girkin, it could well have been a "gray eminence" there then
                  2. -15
                    February 3 2023
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    You are right, you were wrong. He was instructed only to distract Bandera from Krymnashi. And Strelkov raised a whole uprising in the Donbass.

                    And in Donetsk and Luhansk, Gorlovka, Kramatorsk, Mariupol?
                    Just your ubiquitous Girkin.
                    There was an uprising there long before Girkin, and people already set up their own administrations and stopped the tanks of the Ukronazis, organized checkpoints.
                    Claiming that Girkin "raised an uprising" in the Donbass, you confirm the version of Kyiv that it was Russia that unleashed the war in the Donbass, and Turchynov allegedly issued a decree on the ATO only in response.
                    Whose mill are you pouring water on?
                    You need to think about what you say.
                    1. -9
                      February 3 2023
                      Quote: Ulan.1812
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      You are right, you were wrong. He was instructed only to distract Bandera from Krymnashi. And Strelkov raised a whole uprising in the Donbass.

                      And in Donetsk and Luhansk, Gorlovka, Kramatorsk, Mariupol?
                      Just your ubiquitous Girkin.
                      There was an uprising there long before Girkin, and people already set up their own administrations and stopped the tanks of the Ukronazis, organized checkpoints.
                      Claiming that Girkin "raised an uprising" in the Donbass, you confirm the version of Kyiv that it was Russia that unleashed the war in the Donbass, and Turchynov allegedly issued a decree on the ATO only in response.
                      Whose mill are you pouring water on?
                      You need to think about what you say.

                      It looks like Bandera tightly saddled VO.
                2. 0
                  February 4 2023
                  You, the guy, it seems, from "those" same? Time will judge us. After SVO...
              3. +5
                February 3 2023
                Quote: Viktor Biryukov
                that they were involved in the murder of Alexei Mozgovoy

                Dremov...
              4. -11
                February 3 2023
                Quote: Viktor Biryukov
                And who are these Wagner commanders to judge someone?

                Well, for example, this is Dmitry Utkin, whose call sign, "Herr Wagner" gave the name to the PMC, this is Konstantin Pikalov with the call sign Mazay. Do these names and surnames mean something to you? They have enough combat experience to have their own opinion about Girkin.
              5. -13
                February 3 2023
                Quote: Viktor Biryukov
                And who are these Wagner commanders to judge someone? Where do they get such powers from? For example, I have many questions about this PMC, given that in Lugansk (and not only) there have been rumors for a long time that they were involved in the murder of Alexei Mozgovoy. Has anyone judged them for this?

                Like flies here and there, rumors circulate in houses, and toothless, old women carry them around the minds. lol
              6. -13
                February 3 2023
                Quote: Viktor Biryukov
                And who are these Wagner commanders to judge someone? Where do they get such powers from? For example, I have many questions about this PMC, given that in Lugansk (and not only) there have been rumors for a long time that they were involved in the murder of Alexei Mozgovoy. Has anyone judged them for this?

                If you have questions for the Wagnerites, then go to the front and ask them there to their faces.
                Not here la-la. What...weak? Trepachi are the same as your Girkin, who betrayed not only the Donbass, but also his parents.
              7. +1
                February 4 2023
                This team is now under the roof of Putin. Who will judge them?
            2. 0
              February 4 2023
              Do former "siders" have honor? He lived not a small life - 64 years. You surprised me ! Apparently, you need another 64 years to have a concept of honor ...
    2. +4
      February 3 2023
      Give a link to what you have seen on this topic.
      1. +1
        February 3 2023
        Type in youtube voin ros. It's right there first, just about the conflict of these characters.
    3. +4
      February 5 2023
      Quote: svp67
      Prigozhin took the place where Girkin should have been, and he is clearly not going to leave him. And Girkin MISSED his chance and no one will give him a second


      You probably need to study the archives of the Russian Spring Internet resource for 2014, at least. Get an idea of ​​what happened in Donetsk, Lugansk and Sloviansk. If the archive is not cleaned, you will find a lot of interesting things. After that, you can evaluate how Strelkov differs from Prigozhin and why Slavyansk was surrendered. If Strelkov had not withdrawn his units from Slavyansk, they would have remained there, only in the ground. Even the tank base of the state reserve in Artemovsk, which was behind Strelkov, there was no one to take care of. Would about 1000 tanks interfere with him and how would events unfold if he received them, along with the crews. Strelkov completed the assigned tasks without even 10% of the resources, capabilities and support that Prigozhin has. Prigozhin's resources, compared to Strelkov's in Slavyansk, can be called limitless, which is why Prigozhin is wrong.
  11. +28
    February 3 2023
    . Why discuss the “regrouping” near Kharkov or near Kherson, if you can talk about Strelkov leaving Slavyansk in 2014?


    100%. For this, everything was started. Plus - the person is uncomfortable. He speaks the truth. He brought out his shooters in an organized manner. From near Kharkov, Kherson, Kyiv, they fled, leaving equipment and ammunition. Our government was not ready for this. To real-time coverage of the war from both sides. I tried to lie stupidly (opponents, however, outdid it in some way, due to stupidity). Well, it did. And let's go from Kherson and ... switch to Strelkov and Slavyansk. It's more convenient and safer. Well, IMHO, without Strelkov there would be no republics. He is the key element. There were no Riflemen in Odessa and Kharkov.
    1. -8
      February 3 2023
      From under Kherson came out quite organized.
    2. +4
      February 3 2023
      In general, you are right, but there is no need to lie about Kherson.
    3. +8
      February 3 2023
      There were no Riflemen in Odessa and Kharkov.
      They were, but the SBU shot them down and imprisoned them. These are the ones who didn't have time to leave. For example, Mikhail Onufrienko, whose leg was broken in Kharkov, managed to get out of Sumeria, while others did not.
    4. -17
      February 3 2023
      Quote: sergo1914
      He brought out his shooters in an organized manner. From near Kharkov, Kherson, Kyiv, they fled, leaving equipment and ammunition.

      But doesn’t it bother you that the RF Armed Forces have not been able to cover the distance that Girkin ran in a day for a YEAR already? Is that what you call normal? Even leaving Slavyansk, he could well cling to other settlements, holding back the advance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and there the "north wind" would have blown out.
      There were no Riflemen in Odessa and Kharkov.
      I will tell you MORE, they were not found ANYWHERE on the territory of Ukraine, he was found in Russia.
      But this does not mean that there were no resistance heroes there. It is enough to look at the assault on the regional administration in Kharkov, at the death of people on the "Kulikov field" in Odessa, at the standing of "300 Cossacks" ... How quickly the deeds of those people are forgotten, and how much they had to go through and many of them are already dead, and not by my death
      1. +17
        February 3 2023
        Even leaving Slavyansk, he could well cling to other settlements, holding back the advance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and there the "north wind" would have blown out.

        Could. And at this time, while Strelkov would have utilized his fighters in the confrontation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Donetsk mice would have divided portfolios and assets in the future new administration. Or have you forgotten what a mess was going on in the DPR? As for the north wind, it appeared only when Strelkov left the post of Minister of Defense and returned to the Russian Federation, and this was even a few months after Slavyansk. Moreover, it seems to me that the very appearance of the "north wind" was largely dictated by the Strelkov factor itself, which became a major political actor, and it was extremely inconvenient and problematic, and therefore it had to be removed as soon as possible. His direct elimination would not have helped here, because it would have turned him into an icon, which would have been immediately adopted by all patriotic forces, both in Russia and in Ukraine, which was even more terrible than a living colonel. In the end, they agreed on an exchange: Strelkov's resignation in exchange for material and military assistance
        1. -15
          February 3 2023
          Quote: Dante
          Could. And at this time, while Strelkov would have utilized his fighters in the confrontation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Donetsk mice would have divided portfolios and assets in the future new administration. Or have you forgotten what a mess was going on in the DPR?

          That is, your hero rushed for the "portfolio", well, at least honestly ....
          Quote: Dante
          As for the north wind, it appeared only when Strelkov left the post of Minister of Defense and returned to the Russian Federation, and this was even a few months after Slavyansk.

          He was already blowing before that, otherwise Chechens and “vacationers” would appear from wherever he “suddenly” appeared there, and Girkin fulfilled the post of “DPR Ministry of Defense” purely nominally for more time, they removed him, as he simply began to interfere. But he could have stayed then, but he didn’t, since he didn’t go to Wagner even now, he was so well “hinted” that he could be called to account for all the “miracles” with the “heroic retreat”. ..
          Well, he was not the person who was then needed there, and this quickly became clear.
          Quote: Dante
          Strelkov, who was becoming a major political actor, and extremely inconvenient and problematic, and therefore he had to be removed as soon as possible.

          "Large political actors" were removed RADICALLY there, do you recall the fate of Mozgovoy?
          Girkin was removed from his post almost immediately, but I remember the video of that time where he is shown, by his behavior, eyes and communication with the "vacationers", it was already clear that he was a "wedding general" there and did not decide anything, and then he They offered to just leave, so as not to get in the way. What did he, don't be a fool, quickly agreed to
          1. +5
            February 3 2023
            oh, there is your hero rushed for the "portfolio", well, at least honestly ....

            Well, firstly, Strelkov, of course, can be a hero, but, unfortunately, not my novel. I am more impressed by the figure of Ernesto Guevara. Secondly, Strelkov rushed not for a briefcase, but for the keys, and from the basement, where for some time a lot of those who hindered the militia sat down, and those who remained at large instantly became much more capable of negotiating. This is to be objective.
            He was already blowing before that, otherwise from where would he "suddenly" appear there Chechens and "vacationers"

            An interesting idea, because if we proceed from such positions, then Strelkov is this very northern wind, otherwise where would he come from in the Donetsk region and in the Crimea? We know where - the wind blew! True, then a reasonable question arises: what other help did he need to wait for, when everyone who wanted and who could at that time had already joined him?

            In fact, you are simply replacing concepts by writing volunteers into the ranks of "vacationers", "north wind" and vice versa, although this is a little different field of berries. As for the Chechens, as far as I remember, it was an informational stuffing, initiated by the then Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov, in order to intimidate the residents of Donetsk and force them not to join the militia. So I advise you to check your sources.
            then for all the "miracles" with the "heroic retreat" he can be called to account here ...

            You would be more careful with such words, otherwise the guys who returned from the SVO will also want to call to account those who devalued their sacrifice with behind-the-scenes agreements.
            "Large political actors" were removed RADICALLY there, do you recall the fate of Mozgovoy?

            Small typo. Not an actЕditch, and the actОmoat - these are slightly different words. Literally a little bit (just don't be offended).

            As for the late Alexei Borisovich, whom I respect immensely to this day, despite all my personal sympathy for him and his convictions, I have to admit that Strelkov at that time had much more authority and fame, which ultimately apparently predetermined such a different outcome. In addition, I cannot rule out the presence of a certain patronage, which throughout this time allows Strelkov to freely explain his position, while other opposition-minded citizens were closed for much smaller political statements (Platoshkin will not let you lie). I strongly suspect the shaggy hand of the "Orthodox" oligarch Malofeev, for whom Girkin worked as head of personal security for a short time after his resignation, and who regularly continues to supply federal channel talk show hosts. To our great regret, Alexei Borisovich apparently did not have such patronage at the right time.
            1. -5
              February 4 2023
              Quote: Dante
              Well, firstly, Strelkov, of course, can be a hero, but, unfortunately, not my novel.

              Yes, it doesn't look like it. You don't even notice the mistakes he made.
              Quote: Dante
              I am more impressed by the figure of Ernesto Guevara

              But at least he ended his life in battle, but this does not seem to threaten Girkin
              Quote: Dante
              Strelkov rushed not for a briefcase, but for keys, moreover, from the basement, where many of those

              But for this it was not necessary to drive his entire "Slavic brigade", it was enough to get by with one unit, and the brigade could at that moment consolidate in the same Artemovsk, holding back the advance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... No, he did not want to
              Quote: Dante
              there is this most northerly wind, otherwise where would it come from in the Donetsk region and in the Crimea?

              Yes, partially yes, and replenishment came to it, a month later the Ukrainians noted the appearance of "vacationers" there from the 45th regiment of the Airborne Forces of the Russian Armed Forces, and this is a very "specific regiment"
              Quote: Dante
              You would be more careful with such words, otherwise the guys who returned from the NWO,

              Thank you for the warning, but I met one such person who recently returned on a visit and is somehow alive, and he does not call me to anything, but do you know why? Yes, because it’s better for you not to know what mood these guys have ... What they are now, a year later, NWO feel and what they are silent about.
              So, let's not, I live in the real world and I am aware of the words that I utter, especially at my age they are already preparing for a meeting with God and death, I'm certainly not afraid.
              Quote: Dante
              Not actors, but actors - these are slightly different words. Literally a little

              Well, not a little bit, but significantly, but you know better. Moreover, I meant "political theater"
              For me, Brain is a more attractive figure and he is closer to your favorite image of Che, and their deaths are similar, the wallpaper died of betrayal
            2. +2
              February 4 2023
              Quote: Dante
              I am more impressed by the figure of Ernesto Guevara. Secondly, Strelkov did not rush for a briefcase

              Castro and Guevara did not get along in Cuba like 2 bears in one den. In addition, Che was very inconvenient for the Soviet communists. His views on the development of the economy and society were not published or commented on either in the USSR or in Cuba. However, Castro gave Che resources for his activities in both Africa and South America. The US CIA had to divert its special forces from the fight against Cuba and Vietnam to the Congo, Colombia, Peru and Bolivia. Putin and Prigozhin, having given Strelkov normal means, could create a nightmare problem for the CIA and the SBU in Ukraine. In addition, the presence of a powerful political radical-monarchist force in the form of the Strelkov movement would force the liberal opposition and the Americans to shift their attention from Putin's circle to Strelkov. And if, in contrast to Strekov’s monarchists, Putin had given the opportunity to form a left-communist movement with its own military structures, then the CIA would have had to change its methods to overthrow it by consolidating the right-liberal wing of opponents of Russian statehood.
          2. +2
            February 5 2023
            You yourself have explained everything in great detail. If Strelkov needed to be alive and healthy in Slavyansk, then the North Wind would have got there in a timely manner and provided the necessary support, up to a replacement. Since this did not happen, then the truth is behind Strelkov, whatever one may say. There is safety in numbers.
      2. -10
        February 3 2023
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: sergo1914
        He brought out his shooters in an organized manner. From near Kharkov, Kherson, Kyiv, they fled, leaving equipment and ammunition.

        But doesn’t it bother you that the RF Armed Forces have not been able to cover the distance that Girkin ran in a day for a YEAR already? Is that what you call normal? Even leaving Slavyansk, he could well cling to other settlements, holding back the advance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and there the "north wind" would have blown out.
        There were no Riflemen in Odessa and Kharkov.
        I will tell you MORE, they were not found ANYWHERE on the territory of Ukraine, he was found in Russia.
        But this does not mean that there were no resistance heroes there. It is enough to look at the assault on the regional administration in Kharkov, at the death of people on the "Kulikov field" in Odessa, at the standing of "300 Cossacks" ... How quickly the deeds of those people are forgotten, and how much they had to go through and many of them are already dead, and not by my death

        I went nuts when I saw you cons. Who cares about the truth?
        On the VO nest of Bandera?
        Who hates those who stood against Bandera in Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Odessa, Mariupol?
        Are there any minus guys? Completely crazy?
        Don't you want to apologize for siding with Banderva?
  12. +17
    February 3 2023
    A very competent article. Fully agree with the author. Yes, the point here is not in the relationship between two people, but much deeper. It is very similar to the fact that the Russian spring scared the oligarchs so much that they are cleaning out everyone who was involved in it in any way. Why Prigogine got involved in this is an interesting question. Although I must say that I do not like the form of Strelkov's statements categorically. Like Prigozhin's latest statements.
  13. +23
    February 3 2023
    it can be assumed that the return of Crimea to Russia was the maximum that the authorities could afford, with the hope that the "partners" for this would not be suspected of wanting to restore the Russian Empire. Even the words "restoration of the USSR" or "restoration of the Empire of Russia" are afraid of the current government, like hell incense. What then speaks of actions, if they are even afraid of words about it ... And therefore, the Donbass, which rebelled against Bandera, was, to put it mildly, an unnecessary and unplanned problem. From here, and all this rigmarole later with the Minsk agreements. Be that as it may, if only Donbass remains a part of Ukraine and if only there was this "independent" Ukraine. It's so good that the Nazi urine hit the Bandera people in such a way that they became exactly like the German Nazis during the Second World War. But they could have deceived the Donbass by starting to take care of the inhabitants there until they laid down their arms, and then they would have tightened the screws to the fullest, as part of Ukraine.
    As for Prigozhin's PMC warring convicts for criminal offenses, I do not accept the thesis that no one is safe from money and prison. For me, a collective, a group, a unit of criminals has always been associated with the idea that these people should be isolated from society. Therefore, I objectively cannot give an unbiased assessment of the personnel of Prigozhin's army. But to imagine how this personnel, after Russia's victory in the NWO, who returned from the front, will spread their fingers like a fan and force everyone to respect the criminal world and life, even they are obliged to him, I imagine it. Can you imagine what new criminal songs from TV screens will be sung to us by Novikov himself and hundreds of
    new Shafutinsky.
    1. 0
      February 3 2023
      Quote: north 2
      But imagine how this personnel, after the victory of Russia in the NWO, who returned from the front, spread their fingers like a fan


      Once upon a time, in another area, the Reconquista smoothly flowed into the Conquista. And people were... similar. But where to find a new mainland? Or again use America for this?
    2. -10
      February 3 2023
      Quote: North 2
      it can be assumed that the return of Crimea to Russia was the maximum that the authorities could afford, with the hope that the "partners" for this would not be suspected of wanting to restore the Russian Empire. Even the words "restoration of the USSR" or "restoration of the Empire of Russia" are afraid of the current government, like hell incense. What then speaks of actions, if they are even afraid of words about it ... And therefore, the Donbass, which rebelled against Bandera, was, to put it mildly, an unnecessary and unplanned problem. From here, and all this rigmarole later with the Minsk agreements. Be that as it may, if only Donbass remains a part of Ukraine and if only there was this "independent" Ukraine. It's so good that the Nazi urine hit the Bandera people in such a way that they became exactly like the German Nazis during the Second World War. But they could have deceived the Donbass by starting to take care of the inhabitants there until they laid down their arms, and then they would have tightened the screws to the fullest, as part of Ukraine.
      As for Prigozhin's PMC warring convicts for criminal offenses, I do not accept the thesis that no one is safe from money and prison. For me, a collective, a group, a unit of criminals has always been associated with the idea that these people should be isolated from society. Therefore, I objectively cannot give an unbiased assessment of the personnel of Prigozhin's army. But to imagine how this personnel, after Russia's victory in the NWO, who returned from the front, will spread their fingers like a fan and force everyone to respect the criminal world and life, even they are obliged to him, I imagine it. Can you imagine what new criminal songs from TV screens will be sung to us by Novikov himself and hundreds of
      new Shafutinsky.

      Why did someone decide that only criminals are fighting in Wagner? Who is trying to create such an image? 80% are ex-military.
  14. -29
    February 3 2023
    The author of the article is a typical Strelkov fan. Some justifications in the text, justifications of the enemy of the people who constantly says that defeat is inevitable, about the collapse of Russia. Strelkov, even during the Syrian campaign, said that "there are not enough people", "the collapse of Russia awaits us", "not a war, but a shame." Just a crazy old grandfather who collects donations to eat, and whines
    1. -18
      February 3 2023
      Quote from Avesev
      The author of the article is a typical Strelkov fan. Some justifications in the text, justifications of the enemy of the people who constantly says that defeat is inevitable, about the collapse of Russia. Strelkov, even during the Syrian campaign, said that "there are not enough people", "the collapse of Russia awaits us", "not a war, but a shame." Just a crazy old grandfather who collects donations to eat, and whines

      I think the minusers of the Strelkov sect fans will be severely disappointed, because they forgot the commandment - do not make yourself an idol.
      The image of Girkin the hero has already burst, after the shameful refusal to go to the front.
      It doesn't matter how he explains it.
      You can always explain cowardice, they say, he has the wrong system grenades.
      But Girkin's fans cannot come to terms with the fact that the image of the hero-truth-teller has burst.
      But are they preparing Igorka for the role of the leader of the opposition, after Lesha the place is empty.
      Girkin is very active against the authorities.
  15. -4
    February 3 2023
    According to him, the militia had three mortar batteries, in the warehouse there were only 57 mines for all these batteries.

    Artemovsk flashed in the text ... if anyone does not know, there have been simply huge warehouses of weapons and ammunition since Soviet times. And I still do not understand how it happened that the militias did not use all this goodness?
    1. +5
      February 3 2023
      Artemovsk flashed in the text ... if anyone does not know, there have been simply huge warehouses of weapons and ammunition since Soviet times.
      Not Artyomovsk, but Soledar. There, in the mines, there were weapons from the times of the Second World War in storage. Separate samples of the PPS type slipped in the photographs of that time.
      1. +1
        February 4 2023
        Quote: Aviator_
        Not Artyomovsk, but Soledar.

        As far as I remember, just in Artemovsk. Somehow I was there back in the USSR, so on the streets there are almost more propors than ordinary people)))
    2. +16
      February 3 2023
      how did it happen that the militias did not use all this goodness?

      Yes, everything is sadly simple - a banal lack of hands. Strelkov came to Slavyansk with a small detachment of like-minded people (mostly volunteers from the Russian Federation), who, after participating in the Crimean events, rightly decided that the time to return home had come not only for the peninsula. Moreover, in this they were warmly supported by Sergei Aksenov, who took upon himself the material support of this detachment and singled out some intelligent people. Later, these modest forces will be joined by local activists (who were by no means few), a small number of volunteers and several detachments of the Ukrainian military, with whom the ranks of the militia will be replenished with 4 self-propelled guns Nona. That's actually all. Moreover, the vast majority did not have any specific military training at all, and therefore even if they were able to get weapons from the warehouses of the mob. reserve, they would still not be able to use it, just like taking it deep into the territory of the DPR, because again there was neither the strength nor the means for this.
      1. +18
        February 3 2023
        Dante, I support. I remember these shots from Artemovsk (there was an almost round-the-clock broadcast of events on TV-24) - a huge yard filled with new tanks. But apparently there were no tankers. Well, it's not easy - I got behind the wheel and drove off, started shooting. I remember everything... The passionate rise of Donbass was not needed and was even harmful, because it was able to make claims against the unsuitable actions of our government and thus excite the population of all of Russia, push them to do the same. This became clear somehow very quickly. The ruling galley was not allowed to rock.
        1. +1
          February 4 2023
          It’s understandable with tanks, but there wasn’t enough banal riflemen ...
      2. +6
        February 3 2023
        When they talk about "huge warehouses" I imagine endless stacks of boxes lying in hangars (adits). And then the question arises: where is it? What to look for, what boxes, with what markings? Are you sure that "almost the same" ammunition will suit you? It’s good if a gray-haired colonel told you about this at the school, but if not? Those mines that Strelkov had approached the Nons, and those from the warehouses, if you still get to them?
        1. +2
          February 4 2023
          Quote: Not the fighter
          When they talk about "huge warehouses" I imagine endless stacks of boxes lying in hangars (adits).

          In this case, rather rows of warehouses behind the usual bunding, or even an open area.
          Well, what lies where ... I personally served as in the naval arsenal. There really were adits in the rock behind thick steel doors. But there were also just open-air playgrounds behind the embankment. And interestingly, any sailor who served there, including your humble servant, knew well in which adit the weapon, and on which site powder charges or shells.
          At the beginning of the events, my friend from Konstantinovka had not only a machine gun, there was no sawn-off shotgun! With bricks and bottles they threw themselves at Ukrainian infantry fighting vehicles, blocking the road with their bodies. (then there was no current bitterness)
          I'm talking about it in general!
    3. +4
      February 5 2023
      In Artemovsk there was a base of the state reserve of armored vehicles (about 1000 tanks). Strelkov himself went to negotiate with the commander of the base, he sent him. It was stupid to open a second front in our rear, and there was no support from the leadership of the base, neither from Donetsk, nor from Russia. In the salt mines of Soledar, there are weapons depots from the times of the civil war and the Great Patriotic War. Even PPSh came from there, but it turned out to be ineffective to go to AK with checkers and revolvers. PPSh and helmets of the Great Patriotic War, without modern means of protection (uniforms) led to unjustified losses of volunteer patriots of Russia. After all this, the cool Prigozhin appeared, who now insults Strelkov? Silent pause...
  16. 0
    February 3 2023
    "We showed the drama "Bang-Bang": a hunter and a hare, who is right - who is wrong? Our credo is laconicism. Convention! Convention! Think, think"! (c)
  17. +22
    February 3 2023
    Good discussion of the conflict. Respect to the author. And to refer to the opinion of Kurginyan is not to respect yourself. Rare flutter.
    1. -21
      February 3 2023
      Quote: Aviator_
      Rare flutter.

      I won’t argue, but thanks to him, the revolution of mink coats did not take place in our country. It was he who organized the anti-Maidan on Poklonnaya (2012).

      1. +8
        February 3 2023
        It was he who organized the anti-Maidan on Poklonnaya (2012).
        In principle, it (this yap) could not organize anything. It was used by power structures for this.
    2. +19
      February 3 2023
      And to refer to the opinion of Kurginyan is not to respect yourself. Rare flutter.

      I still remember how this "tadpole" from toad droppings poured mud on Strelkov, who had just taken his fighters out of a guaranteed environment. Someone even put a machine gun next to him on the sofa, as if it were not Girkin who saved his people from imminent death a few hours ago, but Kurginyan personally covered the retreat of the retreating forces. Theatergoer.
      1. +17
        February 3 2023
        Yes, for some time I went to Kurginyan's telegram "Red Spring". But the adherents did not like my comments, and they banned me. Removed this telegram from the list. In general, they ban me everywhere, even on VO telegrams. People do not like direct questions that go against the direction of the resource.
        1. +4
          February 3 2023
          Yes, for some time I went to Kurginyan's telegram "Red Spring".
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, was it really interesting for you there?
  18. -17
    February 3 2023
    At the same time, Igor Strelkov himself repeatedly explained why the DPR militia was forced to retreat from the city.

    The author, as an excuse for Strelkov, cites the version of Strelkov himself. It would be strange if, in this version, Strelkov would expose himself as guilty. Personally, I am far from accusing Strelkov of anything regarding these events (my current attitude towards Strelkov has developed based on his behavior and statements in the last year or two). But regarding Slavyansk, the author could also cite versions of Strelkov's eyewitnesses / associates. It is unlikely that they have been silent all these years. And just a third-party analysis of the situation.
    Regarding the invitation of Strelkov to Wagner ... Strelkov was invited - Strelkov refused. All. If a person "rushes" to the front, then he will not refuse such invitations. About "interrogations". If Strelkov is not to blame, then this "interrogation" is just an interview before deciding which position to offer Strelkov. With such a "flare" in the media space, Strelkov is simply stupid to be afraid of Wagner.
    1. +2
      February 3 2023
      Information flashed that there was a book from a participant in the events. 85 days of Slavyansk. I haven’t read it myself, but I’ll have free time, I want to look.
    2. +20
      February 3 2023
      But regarding Slavyansk, the author could also cite versions of Strelkov's eyewitnesses / associates. It is unlikely that they have been silent all these years.

      Well, as far as I know, ordinary participants in those events (who are still alive and well) either still fight for their idea, or prefer to live a peaceful life and not "shine", which is understandable in principle, because for the most part this is by no means public figures, not opinion leaders or professional speakers. Personally, in this regard, I am more used to trusting the opinion of the Luhansk militias, who were not seen in "muddy schemes" with the Donetsk prince Renat Akhmetov, like the same Khodakovsky or Bezler. For example, the late Mozgovoy always spoke very well about the personality of Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, although he was very reserved. And I tend to trust the opinion of this person much more than the words of an arrogant cook.
      1. -8
        February 3 2023
        Quote: Dante
        either they still fight for their idea, or they prefer to live a peaceful life and not "shine"

        I understand that it is foolish to expect the authors of VO to communicate with the participants in the events, but I doubt that none of the participants and eyewitnesses publicly expressed their opinion or gave interviews about these events.
        Quote: Dante
        spoke about the personality of Igor Ivanovich Strelkov

        Strelkov can be any person, but I said that you need to look "from the outside" at the situation with the abandonment of Slavyansk.
        Quote: Dante
        than the words of an arrogant cook

        I have never understood people who cynically insult someone behind their backs. It adds neither respect to you nor weight to your words.
        1. +13
          February 3 2023
          I have never understood people who cynically insult someone behind their backs. It adds neither respect to you nor weight to your words.

          I'm not looking for anyone's respect, I don't need it, but I prefer to judge people by their deeds. The Prigozhin case smells bad, it smells of human pain, it smells of blood, it smells of tears, it smells of death. And from both sides of the conflict. This is what underlies his personal well-being, it is on this that he creates his financial and political capital. But there is nothing in this, there is nothing good, nothing constructive, nothing constructive about it. There is nothing that at least one iota corresponds to the glorious Russian spirit, there is nothing that the ancestors would be proud of. He's just a butcher doing his bloody job. There is nothing to heroize him for. He is just not very smart, but a very greedy mercenary in the service of the same masters.

          But if it seems to you that Strelkov is my idol, then you are deeply mistaken. Undoubtedly, he is a good example of an officer who is not alien to such concepts as honor and duty. But there is one caveat - he is a white officer, even in the best sense of the word, which for me is a person of purely proletarian origin and completely left-wing views are decisive. Yes, if you have to choose between him and Prigogine, the choice will not be in favor of the latter. This is true. But for me it's a choice of the lesser evil. But for what I really respect Strelkov is that while others were chewing snot, including our president, whom I do not respect, he got up and went to do what he considered necessary and right. It doesn't matter how the world reacted to it. With his determination, his will, he changed the world. Not everything turned out as we wanted, but at least for a moment he ceased to be a blind and weak-willed object of the historical process. This, in my opinion, is really strong and deserves every kind of imitation.
          1. 0
            February 4 2023
            5 points. ! ................The text of your comment is too
      2. -12
        February 3 2023
        Quote: Dante
        For example, the late Mozgovoy always spoke very well about the personality of Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, although he was very reserved.

        Do you know the difference between the personal qualities of a person and his professional suitability? For me, Girkin, up to a certain point, is generally a solid positive image, but from some point on it is no longer there. It was from where he was not up to par, and then he began to talk his tongue, especially on enemy resources.
        Quote: Dante
        And I tend to trust the opinion of this person much more than the words of an arrogant cook.

        Yes, the trouble is, the "cook" was able to give the result, and the "reenactor" went quiet, no matter how they were people purely in human terms.
        1. -8
          February 3 2023
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Dante
          For example, the late Mozgovoy always spoke very well about the personality of Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, although he was very reserved.

          Do you know the difference between the personal qualities of a person and his professional suitability? For me, Girkin, up to a certain point, is generally a solid positive image, but from some point on it is no longer there. It was from where he was not up to par, and then he began to talk his tongue, especially on enemy resources.
          Quote: Dante
          And I tend to trust the opinion of this person much more than the words of an arrogant cook.

          Yes, the trouble is, the "cook" was able to give the result, and the "reenactor" went quiet, no matter how they were people purely in human terms.

          Yes, Girkin's interview with Gordon's Ukronazi is the bottom.
          1. -7
            February 3 2023
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Dante
            For example, the late Mozgovoy always spoke very well about the personality of Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, although he was very reserved.

            Do you know the difference between the personal qualities of a person and his professional suitability? For me, Girkin, up to a certain point, is generally a solid positive image, but from some point on it is no longer there. It was from where he was not up to par, and then he began to talk his tongue, especially on enemy resources.
            Quote: Dante
            And I tend to trust the opinion of this person much more than the words of an arrogant cook.

            Yes, the trouble is, the "cook" was able to give the result, and the "reenactor" went quiet, no matter how they were people purely in human terms.

            Yes, Girkin's interview with Gordon's Ukronazi is the bottom.

            Oh how! Ukronazi Gordon has fans here in VO. Is this a Russian resource at all?
      3. -9
        February 3 2023
        Quote: Dante
        But regarding Slavyansk, the author could also cite versions of Strelkov's eyewitnesses / associates. It is unlikely that they have been silent all these years.

        Well, as far as I know, ordinary participants in those events (who are still alive and well) either still fight for their idea, or prefer to live a peaceful life and not "shine", which is understandable in principle, because for the most part this is by no means public figures, not opinion leaders or professional speakers. Personally, in this regard, I am more used to trusting the opinion of the Luhansk militias, who were not seen in "muddy schemes" with the Donetsk prince Renat Akhmetov, like the same Khodakovsky or Bezler. For example, the late Mozgovoy always spoke very well about the personality of Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, although he was very reserved. And I tend to trust the opinion of this person much more than the words of an arrogant cook.

        That's right, ordinary participants in the events continue to fight, and Girkin escaped. How right you are.
        By the way, these ordinary members of Girkin do not respect and have long forgotten about him - a downed pilot.
    3. +2
      February 4 2023
      Quote: Lesovik
      The author, as an excuse for Strelkov, cites the version of Strelkov himself.

      And what military sense to remain surrounded? The command height of Mount Karachun is in the hands of Ukrainian artillerymen who see the whole of Slavyansk and have the ability to fire at any target with mortars and howitzers from closed positions. Strelkov has 100 or 50 shells for all barrels. How long will he be able to hold out under massive shelling and during the breakthrough of sabotage groups of Ukrainian special forces into Slavyansk? No one praises General Kirponos, who failed to break out of the Kyiv pocket and died surrounded, and Marshal Bagramyan, who quickly broke through the ring of Germans and, despite the lagging second echelons going to break through, led the unit entrusted to him from the environment and deserved glorious memory and honor. The genetic memory of that war convinces us that we must get out of the encirclement quickly. This is the only way to save both equipment and people. Near Palmyra, Kupyansk, Balakleya, Izyum and Kherson, Commander Gerasimov reasonably gave the order to withdraw, having a less threatened situation and a better balance of power than Strelkov had against the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And Wagner, neither in Syria nor in Ukraine, was able to carry out a swift capture of a large settlement in the style that Strelkov turned out near Slavyansk.
  19. -30
    February 3 2023
    Many people disagree with me, but I will repeat myself. Strelkov is a CIA agent.
    Donbass is their answer to us for Crimea.

    He arrived in the Donbass and until the people there figured it out, he was considered a representative of the Kremlin. In fact, he carried out the task of opposing the Donbass to the rest of Ukraine. The United States has repeatedly tried to tear Ukraine away from Russia, but the pro-Russian Donbass did not allow this, even the third round did not help. After Strelkov organized resistance, the CIA managed to resolve this issue - Ukraine was torn off ... Today, by conducting the NMD, we are reaping the fruits of his labor.

    As soon as the people realized that he was not a representative of the Kremlin, he and his comrades fled, having previously managed to sell the black boxes from the downed Boeing to our enemies, so that we could not prove our non-involvement in this. An attempt to involve us in a war, and the downed Boeing was supposed to play the role of Gleiwitz, failed. But they did everything for this.

    1. +23
      February 3 2023
      This "miracle comment" can be characterized by a quote from the famous Soviet film
      1. +1
        February 5 2023
        Quote: Viktor Biryukov
        This "miracle comment" can be characterized by a quote from the famous Soviet film

        For the SBU and Ukrainian nationalists, Prigogine and Putin are not afraid, but they suffered fear from Strelkov on Mount Karachun, when they covered their brothers-in-arms who died in battles with Strelkov with bleach in order to hide at what cost they got the luck to force him to leave Slavyansk.
    2. +16
      February 3 2023
      By conducting the NWO, we are reaping the fruits of corruption of top officials in the leadership of Russia. Which, in the interests of big business, refused to support Dambas and the occupation of Ukraine in 2014. Which, by the way, has been talked about recently.
      1. -13
        February 3 2023
        Quote: Trofim
        By conducting the NWO, we are reaping the fruits of corruption of top officials in the leadership of Russia. Which, in the interests of big business, refused to support Dambas and the occupation of Ukraine in 2014. Which, by the way, has been talked about recently.

        Who refused? If it were not for the support of Russia, Donbass would not have survived in the 14th.
        Or have you not heard of the "northern wind" and "vacationers"?
    3. +4
      February 3 2023
      As soon as the people realized that he was not a representative of the Kremlin, he and his comrades fled
      Come on?! laughing
      But what about Arsen Sergeevich Pavlov, the legendary Motorola? He, together with I.V. Strelkov, entered the Donbass and defended Slavyansk.
      By the way, it was his birthday yesterday.
  20. +20
    February 3 2023
    Prigozhin, this is Putin's infantryman, he is carrying out the task of discrediting Strelkov, launched from above, he himself is disgusted, but he has no choice. Blaming Strelkov for cowardice is a very thankless task ... when he served in restaurants, Strelkov occupied cities with sabotage groups ...
    1. -20
      February 3 2023
      Quote: Yaroslavsky
      Prigozhin, this is Putin's infantryman,

      And in this case, he saved both Girkin's life and his "face" ... Since there they were going to first commit a "trial" over him, and then offer to atone for all his "sins" real and imaginary with blood in attack aircraft, where he is unlikely would have survived...
      And Prigozhin, or the one who gives him specific commands, apparently did not agree with this, and therefore abruptly changed his tone so as not to leave Girkin any choice but to refuse the "offer"
    2. +10
      February 3 2023
      Quote: Yaroslavsky
      Prigozhin, this is Putin's infantryman, he is carrying out the task of discrediting Strelkov, launched from above, he himself is disgusted, but he has no choice. Blaming Strelkov for cowardice is a very thankless task ... when he served in restaurants, Strelkov occupied cities with sabotage groups ...


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      1. +1
        February 4 2023
        [quote = Yaroslavsky] Prigozhin, this is Putin's infantryman, he is carrying out a task to discredit Strelkov launched from above, he himself is disgusted, but he has no way out. Blaming Strelkov for cowardice is a very thankless task ... when he served in restaurants, Strelkov occupied cities with sabotage groups ... [/ quote]

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        And to the video illustration
    3. +3
      February 4 2023
      Prigozhin, this is Putin's infantryman
      Prigogine is going to choke now)

      What is behind Prigogine, what are certain forces behind Strelkov.

      For Strelkov, there seem to be supporters of the monarchy (they prefer to call Malafeev) in Russia, especially Girkin himself is a White Guard in spirit.
      But who is behind Prigozhin is an open question (according to rumors, this is either Rotenberg or Kovalchuk, and even Kagal is present)?
      And their whole skirmish is a struggle of competing forces for a patriotic electorate, for the accumulation of patriotic energy.
      It is clear where the monarchists will direct this energy.
      But where the forces behind Prigogine will direct this energy is a huge question.

      Z.Y. The successes of PMC Wagner allow patriotic energy (caused by successes at the front) to be collected and connected to Prigozhin.
      Like, when we say Prigozhin, we mean PMC Wagner, which may turn out (given the incomprehensible forces behind Prigozhin) a big and irreparable mistake.
  21. +12
    February 3 2023
    PMC "Wagner", which "excellent assault infantry in the most mediocre way put in frontal attacks"
    A video of the burial places of PMC fighters appeared on YouTube. Horror!!! And at the same time, the Ministry of Defense claims about our insignificant losses. And what, Wagner is not the citizens of Russia, but the police and the militia of the LDNR, are they aliens ??
    Judging by the losses in the Wagner PMC, there is no smell of military leadership talent there. Strelkov is a hundred times right !!
    1. -14
      February 3 2023
      Quote: steel maker
      at the same time, the Ministry of Defense claims our insignificant losses. And what, Wagner is not citizens of Russia

      Citizens of Russia, but not military personnel. Do not confuse the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (state structure) with a publicized private company. By the way, is it really that one private company is fighting for ~ 800 kilometers of the front line? Why are criminals promoted? Who needs it? They even made a film about them ... but not about the heroes of the RF Armed Forces.
      1. +9
        February 3 2023
        Boris, I hope you wrote a statement to the FSB against the CIA agent Girkin? They showed civic responsibility.
        1. -15
          February 3 2023
          Quote: ASAD
          Boris, I hope you wrote a statement to the FSB against the CIA agent Girkin? They showed civic responsibility.

          Share a personal experience with a person? So at least show him the form of denunciation ...
          Sometimes I really wonder how stupid people go to "protect" the Idol created in their brains
          1. -9
            February 3 2023
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: ASAD
            Boris, I hope you wrote a statement to the FSB against the CIA agent Girkin? They showed civic responsibility.

            Share a personal experience with a person? So at least show him the form of denunciation ...
            Sometimes I really wonder how stupid people go to "protect" the Idol created in their brains

            And you don’t admit that the idol is created by those who want to put Girkin in the empty place of Navalny?
            And what, the hero, is popular and so on. It is quite suitable for the leader of the opposition to power.
            No wonder he's been so active lately.
            I think the idea of ​​a change of power in Russia does not leave anyone.
            1. -4
              February 4 2023
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              And you don’t admit that the idol is created by those who want to put Girkin in the empty place of Navalny?

              Igor Vsevolodovich, as a true "White Guard" knows how to talk a lot, has personal courage, but has no talent for organizing, and most importantly, conducting large-scale operations. Yes, he can be used as a media person, but after a year of SVO there are already more charismatic and famed people
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              It is quite suitable for the leader of the opposition to power.

              Certainly not, his candidacy is definitely not suitable ...
            2. -2
              February 5 2023
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: ASAD
              Boris, I hope you wrote a statement to the FSB against the CIA agent Girkin? They showed civic responsibility.

              Share a personal experience with a person? So at least show him the form of denunciation ...
              Sometimes I really wonder how stupid people go to "protect" the Idol created in their brains

              And you don’t admit that the idol is created by those who want to put Girkin in the empty place of Navalny?
              And what, the hero, is popular and so on. It is quite suitable for the leader of the opposition to power.
              No wonder he's been so active lately.
              I think the idea of ​​a change of power in Russia does not leave anyone.

              Still doesn't leave...
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      2. -1
        February 4 2023
        Just above the video. Come back. Putin will tell...
      3. +1
        February 4 2023
        By the way, is it possible that one private company is fighting for ~800 kilometers of the front line?
        Of course not.
        Why are criminals promoted?
        They are promoting not criminals, but exclusively Prigogine. Like, he runs into Beglov (although he himself financed his elective company), and oligarchs (although Wagner himself was most likely put in the place of the PMC manager by an oligarch - he doesn’t have that kind of money to finance PMCs on his own), argues with the State Department , gives instructions to the State Duma, offers to close YouTube, well, he expressed many many other patriotic initiatives.

        It would seem that he is the one who is needed at the head of the country.

        Who needs it?
        But this is the most interesting.
        At least to those forces that lead him up this "patriotic" ladder.
        The formula is the following:
        We need a hero, they create a hero (they create a hero !!!), then a hero - for the presidency.

        But such a take-off is somewhat reminiscent of Zelensky's political take-off - at the beginning of the film, whose hero is for the people, then a presidential candidate very similar to the hero of the film, then promises like the hero of the film, then people's love, then the president, then war, then the collapse of the state .
        And all because the people fell for the CREATED hero.
        ---
        "Do not make yourself an idol"
    2. -12
      February 3 2023
      Quote: steel maker
      Judging by the losses in PMC Wagner

      Do you have their exact data? Or do you trust everything that is written on the fences... oh in social networks and on YouTube? Officially, the “musicians” have only one burial place, this is in the Goryachiy Klyuch of the Krasnodar Territory, but only those who cannot be buried by relatives are buried there, and not only those who died in Ukraine are buried there, there are enough dead from Syria, Libya and many other countries where now fighting "Wagner"
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      2. 0
        February 4 2023
        The concept of sarcasm is unfamiliar to you? -;'
        1. -4
          February 4 2023
          Quote: ASAD
          The concept of sarcasm is unfamiliar to you? -;'

          I am familiar with the whole gamut of human feelings and relationships, and I know that if someone puts a different meaning into his words, then he takes them in quotation marks.
          1. 0
            February 4 2023
            It seems that not everyone has the bell turned off!?
    3. -1
      February 4 2023
      Quote: steel maker
      A video of the burial places of PMC fighters appeared on YouTube

      YouTube is ruthlessly removing ANY more or less pro-Russian content, and in the last couple of months they have begun blocking even just more or less neutral channels. So in this case, you just went on about the enemy propaganda.
  22. +15
    February 3 2023
    Mdya, when a political scientist (that is, a person who can only chat and does not pay attention to inconvenient facts) blames the one who was there and really fought? For this, they used to be called to a duel, and this is one of the few cases when there was a duel that would be deserved.
    Regarding the Wagnerian "council of officers", and other things. Excuse me, it is necessary to evaluate this or that decision of the commander from the point of view of the situation, and most importantly, the information that he had available. In this case, Strelkov was right to refuse this trial. It is unlikely that he would have been able to kill the dirt that was poured on him.
    1. -17
      February 3 2023
      Quote: Not the fighter
      Mdya, when a political scientist (that is, a person who can only chat and does not pay attention to inconvenient facts) blames the one who was there and really fought? For this, they used to be called to a duel, and this is one of the few cases when there was a duel that would be deserved.
      Regarding the Wagnerian "council of officers", and other things. Excuse me, it is necessary to evaluate this or that decision of the commander from the point of view of the situation, and most importantly, the information that he had available. In this case, Strelkov was right to refuse this trial. It is unlikely that he would have been able to kill the dirt that was poured on him.

      To put it simply, Girkin chickened out. Well, let Girkin challenge Bezler to a duel, who was there and accuses Girkin of betrayal. That's the reason for the call.
      Is your Girkin weak?
      He is a coward and will not call anyone and will not go to war, although he was given such an opportunity.
  23. +19
    February 3 2023
    It’s just that Strelkov has been telling the bitter truth since the age of 14, and not a sweet lie like the authorities, that’s why they hate him, he was betrayed in Slavyansk, leaving one with a bitter militia with half-serviceable equipment, when in Donetsk and in the Kremlin they decided to hand over the DPR and LPR, Strelkov should have to die surrounded, and the place of this he escaped from the encirclement and arrived in Donetsk, confusing all the cards for the Kremlin and Kyiv. Evil tongues say that it was Wagner who was involved in the elimination of all the people's commanders of Donbass who were objectionable to the Kremlin and Kyiv, who were against the Minsk treaties. After all, Putin himself has been saying for 8 years that Lugansk and Donetsk are Ukraine, many just have a memory like a fish. We started the NWO just when the Khokhols were ready, and now we see it now, the level of the army, the level of command, etc., and Strelkov was the only one who gave the most correct forecast in 11 months of the NWO back in March-April, did not throw his hats, and Prigozhin stands up for his master, everyone knows whose chef he is, who in a strange way became a business oligarch, for some reason he always advocated the interests of the oligarchs in Mali, in Syria, he makes money on the SVO like any of our oligarchs
    1. +12
      February 3 2023
      NWO is ,, kolondike ,, for all sorts of businessmen. I think it costs nothing for a rich inmate to agree with Wagner for a certain amount not to storm positions, but to sit as a clerk for six months at headquarters.
    2. -19
      February 3 2023
      Quote: Shamil88
      It’s just that Strelkov has been telling the bitter truth since he was 14,

      And from him, not words, but DEED they wanted ... Do you understand the difference? Having good human qualities, an excellent personal combat biography, "reenactor" Girkin, as a strategist, lost to "restaurateur" Prigogine. That's what you don't want to personally admit to yourself.
      The one who attracted Girkin to this case was greatly mistaken in his commanding and strong-willed qualities. War, it's still not a reconstruction, it's reality
  24. -6
    February 3 2023
    The author got a little lost in the chronology, first Strelkov walked through the Wagner PMC, to which Prigogine answered him, then Lotos and away we go.
    1. -11
      February 3 2023
      Quote: strannik1985
      The author got a little lost in the chronology, first Strelkov walked through the Wagner PMC, to which Prigogine answered him, then Lotos and away we go.

      Unfortunately, most here, like the author, put the cart before the horse and simply refuse to see it.
      It was Girkin who started the conflict by getting rude to Prigogine.
      He was silent for a long time, but Girkin continued to be rude, apparently in order to tell about himself, since he had long been forgotten, and only then Prigogine answered and answered with dignity - he offered a command position.
      Well, here Girkin, like an experienced troll, turned around.
      By the way, Girkin is rude to everyone.
      And Bezler and Zakharchenko were rude and others.
  25. +22
    February 3 2023
    If you look from the outside, Prigozhin’s nerves begin to fail !!! And he doesn’t control himself more and more.
    Even Caesar defiantly came to Beglov's sworn enemy of the "Cook" recently, and also praised him.
    A comrade has made a lot of enemies, and if you look at history (especially post-revolutionary) where such characters appear, then he has few chances of survival. So he breaks down on Strelkov to at least somehow maintain his rating. hi
  26. +25
    February 3 2023
    The fact that the proposal made to Strelkov is not worth a damn and was a banal provocation is a no brainer. The calculation was made on Strelkov's refusal and assumed a festive salute on this occasion in the form of a subsequent throwing of poop on him. But this action was planned very incompetently with the expectation that the object of the provocation was a complete cretin (it seems that the authors of this action judge people by themselves). It was not difficult for Igor Ivanovich to beat them. And all that follows is a manifestation of impotent malice, a low level of mental development, a very high self-esteem and an insignificant level of self-discipline and culture, both among Mr. Prigozhin in particular (there also plays a significant role in the petty-criminal past) and among the direct customers of this vaudeville. It’s easy to guess who the customer is, at least based on the one who regularly starred from Igor Ivanovich, well, he can also give the go-ahead to complete the Wagners with prisoners and then sign pardons, thereby actually making it possible for the PMC to exist in its current form .. It’s kind of annoying that the options for the peaceful elimination of Strelkov actually exhausted. and what trick these gentlemen will throw next time only Allah knows. You can expect anything from them, it hurts them Strelkov stood up across the popularity of the electorate.
  27. +4
    February 3 2023
    Sorry, today there is a lot of pathos:

    1.
    "The struggle of the princes with the filthy was interrupted,

    for brother said to brother:

    "This is mine, and that is mine."

    And the princes began about the small

    "this is great" to say

    and forge sedition on themselves,

    and filthy on all sides

    came with victories to the Russian land.

    Oh, the falcon flew far, beating the birds - to the sea!

    But Igor's brave army cannot be resurrected!"

    Any conflicts between Russians are now most beneficial to the United States. This is the basis for everyone who considers himself a patriot of Russia.


    2.
    "And it was under a whisper,
    Just a stock market trick...
    But many, slamming money,
    Were left with almost no pants.

    C a r i n

    Listen, Rassvetov! and what,
    Did the deception bother you?

    R a s s e t o v

    Doesn't it matter
    To what face
    Capital flows into the pocket.
    I hate both of these.
    All of them -
    Class of robbery gangs.
    But it must, my friend, in the world
    Live Rassvetov Nikandr."
    (Yesenin)


    "I have no other oligarchs for you."

    Yes, our "elites" are not perfect. This is a legacy of the late USSR and the 90s.
    - Former Komsomol workers;
    - Representatives of crime;
    - People from circles associated with speculation and financial fraud.

    3.
    "Let it really, Postumus, the chicken is not a bird,
    but with chicken brains enough grief.
    If it fell to the Empire to be born,
    it is better to live in a remote province by the sea.

    And far from Caesar, and from the blizzard.
    There is no need to fawn, to be in a coward, to hurry.
    Are you saying that all governors are thieves?
    But a thief is dearer to me than a bloodsucker."
    (Brodsky)

    The problem of creating a true elite.
    Merchant elites will sell everything and hide with money;
    criminal elites will win once, filling up the enemy with corpses, another, and the country will collapse itself.

    The criminal elite can eat the merchant elite, but this does not guarantee the survival of the country.

    4.
    "Do not hesitate to answer,
    The guy gives change:
    - Do not worry, the German has this -
    Not the last plane...
    (Twardowski)

    Even if the US now surrenders Ukraine, they have a lot of spare players for a proxy war with Russia.
    If they actually sacrificed Germany, then you don’t have to worry about Estonia, Lithuania, and even Finland. I believe they would open a second front right now through Kazakhstan, just normal logistics are not visible.
    If for every small proxy conflict Russia loses half a million young people, even as refugees, such a system is acceptable for the United States.
    The US will encourage proxy conflicts as long as they have technological and financial superiority.

    5.
    "O you who await
    Fatherland from the depths of their
    And to see those wishes,
    What calls from foreign countries,
    Oh, your days are blessed!
    Dare now encouraged
    By your showing,
    What can own Platons
    And fast with the mind of Neutons
    Russian land to give birth. "
    (Lomonosov)

    So, we need a new elite that will ensure the survival of Russia. How to change the existing situation without causing a new civil war?
    There is an option - to change the goal setting.
    Both Strelkov, as a representative of civil society, and Prigozhin, as a representative of the oligarchy, can find common ground. If this is the task of a technological breakthrough in Russia.

    By solving development problems, we will gradually get a development-oriented elite.

    We need to look up to Sergei Korolev and take the best from our experience from the time of the beginning of space exploration.


    6.
    "What could befall us, alas, happened to you:
    You promised heaven to us, but it was destined
    So that the grace of heaven falls on your bald head,
    Leaving you just a wet stain."
    (Hashek)

    We have patriots in our society who are going to throw meat at the enemy, and patriots who are trying to create a worthy weapon. Strelkov obviously belongs to the first type, judging by his statements of the period of spring and autumn.
    He has advocated the mobilization of a million people since the summer. But when he personally was offered to go on a frontal attack, questions arose.
    Yes, the threat of an illegal trial is too much, but in general, Prigogine is at least trying to somehow solve the problem of technological backwardness.
    If we consider Strelkov as part of civil society, then it would be better if he directed his energy towards the technical re-equipment of the country.
    1. +2
      February 4 2023
      Prigogine is at least trying to somehow solve the problem of technological backwardness.

      What examples do you have of this?
  28. -8
    February 3 2023
    Those who criticize the Wagner storm troopers for their "dark" past should, like a man, not only criticize, but replace them at the forefront. Yes, perhaps you wanted to see attack aircraft with several higher educations and the manners of a White Guard officer on the front line, but the three armies of Vlasov, who left the country after the announcement of mobilization, clearly show that a country without an ideology is a communal apartment.
    1. +9
      February 3 2023
      The conversation in this thread is about the leadership of PMCs and not about ordinary attack aircraft.
      1. -10
        February 3 2023
        Quote: ASAD
        The conversation in this thread is about the leadership of PMCs and not about ordinary attack aircraft.

        Let's talk about them... Do you have any complaints about Dmitry Utkin and Konstantin Pikalov?
        Announce
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      2. -14
        February 3 2023
        Quote: ASAD
        The conversation in this thread is about the leadership of PMCs and not about ordinary attack aircraft.

        And in my opinion, talking about a boor named Girkin.
        The conflict began precisely with the fact that Girkin was rude to Prigogine.
        Probably to remind myself.
  29. +6
    February 3 2023
    Strelkov is worthy of respect for 2014 and I think it is important that the authorities thank him and recognize his role in the life of Novorossia, but his streams criticizing the leader Wagner are inappropriate. The fish rots from the head, and Girkin touches the head very carefully, but it was the head that appointed the people who became the "foundation" of the military-political leadership vertical.
    1. -10
      February 3 2023
      Girkin, first of all, is Malofeev's man. It is a fact.
      Malofeev in 2014 - was closely associated with the FT. This is also a fact.
      FT in 2014, two options were beneficial, either Russian tanks in Kyiv, or Ukrainian tanks on the borders of Russia (i.e. the complete capture of the Kyiv junta of the LDNR).
      Girkin worked in the paradigm of these options (either "bring in troops", or planning the surrender of Donetsk).
      Opinion of I. Bezler ("Bes") about Girkin: "I was silent for a long time WHEN THIS MIRACLE Girkin told fairy tales, how he helped me capture Gorlovka; he was silent when this "White Guard" misunderstanding told me that I was taking away his weapons; he was silent when this lover of "antiques" talked about what a "Makhnovist" I was and did not consult his "Great stupid nobility" at all. But after another portion of "verbal slops" I somehow wanted to speak out.
      This stupid in military terms, without a military education, an amoebic-cowardly creature, who graduated from the Historical and Archival Institute, undertook to talk about Russia's actions in Syria, about the operations carried out by me (this inflated empty shell does not even know about many of them). Girkin, take the screws out of your skull and take the crown off your stupid head.
      You are the one who, excuse me, "crap himself" in the topographical parts of the city of Simferopol (I hope your pieces of gray matter will be enough to remember this in detail), the one who, from the moment the capture of Slavyansk until July 5, the moment of the shameful flight, which you are now trying to present as "great maneuver", failed to properly organize the defense of the city. Your great military gift was not enough to understand that it is necessary not to sit in the basement of the SBU, but to occupy and hold Karachun. You, who surrendered most of the DPR, are talking about the effectiveness of my military operations??!!!!
      You, mister fugitive commander, draped to Gorlovka, but then you had a bummer. I had to sit naked in my basement in the bath. I wanted you, the "genius of military thought", now like a military theorist and creator of the "dibilo committee on the 25th", to simply shoot you for your cowardice and cowardice. And believe me, he did it if it were not for Borodai, to whom you now owe your life. It was he who "cut off" my phone and, where by threats, and then simply by persuasion, asked me not to do this. Thanks to Boroday, you now live, scribble libels and engage in "shit-throwing" at everyone who does not agree with your idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXba city madman. That's why I didn't shoot you. True, he sent to Donetsk in the camouflage of his wife and in her T-shirt. Though so, but recouped, you are our Kerensky. And then he laughed at your attempts to whitewash himself, saying that one of the reasons for leaving Slavyansk was the fear that the "Demon" group would hit you, the "star-commander", in the back. It can be seen that a large "wavka" in the head formed after sitting in the basement of the Slavic SBU
      All your military merits, "victoriously draping" the commandant a la Che, is the shameful abandonment of Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Konstantinovka, Druzhkovka. Leaving Karlovka, which my division and the division of the "Vostok" held for more than a month and a half, you, the "genius of military thought", managed to merge it in two days. And what is behind the order to surrender Horlivka if not a betrayal!!! I post a photo of this order below. You don't even know who led the defense of Gorlovka!!! Serega "Boatswain", led the defense only from July 29 to August 5. This is where all your knowledge about the defense of the city ends, as well as all the knowledge about the operations I carried out in Volnovakha, Dobropolye, Malinovka, Dyakovo, Dokuchaevsk, Amvrosievka, Grabsky, Illovaisk, Umansky, Karlovka, Poltava. But you don’t know for only one reason: I did not consider it necessary to consult and inform the “dummy” in military matters - the restorer Girkin. The surrender of Artemovsk is completely on your conscience. It was you, the "unsurpassed" genius of military thought, who removed my people from Artemovsk and placed your garrison there, which fled at the sight of two armored personnel carriers. It is you who are guilty of the death of "Romashka", it is on your conscience that the death of my friend, the commander of the group that took the fight on May 5, 2014 "Volka", and which then went to Gorlovka in full force, and you declared them deserters. I will never forget how one left Slavyansk at night with two pistols after your phrase "Two bears cannot get along in one lair." So, after your "heroic" drape to Gorlovka, I can say with a pure heart: "The bear and you, COCK, in the same den, definitely won't get along"
      I. Bezler
      23.04.2016

      PS Of course, the zombified fans of the traitor Girkin will continue to swear allegiance to their guru, but a little more time will pass and even the most naive will realize that they have been deceived. I want to say the following to such comrades - believe me, there is nothing wrong with that, it’s better to wake up late from sleep than to stay in it forever.

      Fresh interview with I. Bezler about Girkin: https://bloknot.ru/obshhestvo/trus-bezdar-vot-i-vse-komandir-opolcheniya-bezler-rasskazal-o-voennoj-bezdarnosti-igorya-strelkova-1051983.html
      1. -12
        February 3 2023
        Quote: UltraRed
        - _----+-++++++
        PS Of course, the zombified fans of the traitor Girkin will continue to swear allegiance to their guru, but a little more time will pass and even the most naive will realize that they have been deceived. I want to say the following to such comrades - believe me, there is nothing wrong with that, it’s better to wake up late from sleep than to stay in it forever.

        Fresh interview with I. Bezler about Girkin: https://bloknot.ru/obshhestvo/trus-bezdar-vot-i-vse-komandir-opolcheniya-bezler-rasskazal-o-voennoj-bezdarnosti-igorya-strelkova-1051983.html
        1. -10
          February 3 2023
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          Quote: UltraRed
          - _----+-++++++
          PS Of course, the zombified fans of the traitor Girkin will continue to swear allegiance to their guru, but a little more time will pass and even the most naive will realize that they have been deceived. I want to say the following to such comrades - believe me, there is nothing wrong with that, it’s better to wake up late from sleep than to stay in it forever.

          Fresh interview with I. Bezler about Girkin: https://bloknot.ru/obshhestvo/trus-bezdar-vot-i-vse-komandir-opolcheniya-bezler-rasskazal-o-voennoj-bezdarnosti-igorya-strelkova-1051983.html

          _--------I completely agree. I trust the opinion of Bezler, Zakharchenko and others about Girkin, this pseudo-monarchist.
          Girkin, justifying his betrayal, is rude to everyone and throws mud at everyone.
          1. +1
            February 5 2023
            well, you are already completely overheated - take a break - take a day off - you already communicate with yourself and even blame yourself ... it’s hard to write from two accounts in turn ... if the rest of you prevent you from communicating with yourself, say so
      2. -1
        February 4 2023
        Girkin, first of all, is Malofeev's man. It is a fact.

        And Prigozhin, in your opinion, is an independent person?
        I won’t be surprised if it turns out that some kind of kahal is behind him.
        Read his biography. Such take-offs do not occur without very serious support.
        Who stuck the name "Putin's personal chef" to him, to which Putin himself said that all his cooks are employees of the FSO and there are no other cooks.
        Someone launched this lie "Putin's cook" and it took root.
        Who?
  30. +4
    February 3 2023
    [quote] However, I would like each reader to answer the question for himself: if you were offered to volunteer in a certain unit, but at the same time accompanied this proposal with insults and threats, would you agree to this proposal? / Quote] I remember - "Spirits hang yourself!" and there was no choice. The awesome combat capability of our unit was minus to some extent, half of them were not even given weapons for this reason, apparently.
  31. -4
    February 3 2023
    Now is not the time for such conflicts.
    Strelkov warned in 2014 and then they missed the time "to crush the Kyiv junta like a louse." But this is the Kremlin's fault, not Prigogine's. They ate to pacify and come to an agreement with the United States, just as Daladie and Chamberlain once ate to pacify Germany.
    Now the situation is different. In the Kremlin, Churchill has already come to replace Chamberlain. Prigozhin is doing his job well and only the enemies of Russia need his conflict with Strelkov. This is what the Kremlin needs to listen to what Strelkov says and not be late for months and even years with the SVO, mobilization and so on.
    1. -12
      February 3 2023
      Quote: Kostadinov
      Now is not the time for such conflicts.
      Strelkov warned in 2014 and then they missed the time "to crush the Kyiv junta like a louse." But this is the Kremlin's fault, not Prigogine's. They ate to pacify and come to an agreement with the United States, just as Daladie and Chamberlain once ate to pacify Germany.
      Now the situation is different. In the Kremlin, Churchill has already come to replace Chamberlain. Prigozhin is doing his job well and only the enemies of Russia need his conflict with Strelkov. This is what the Kremlin needs to listen to what Strelkov says and not be late for months and even years with the SVO, mobilization and so on.

      So Girkin ignited this conflict, nasty Otkrytt Prigogine.
  32. +9
    February 3 2023
    Well done author, good article. Respect. bully
  33. -14
    February 3 2023
    Shaw again? Again this Girkin?
    The conflict began with the fact that Girkin was rude to Prigogine. He also scored and spoiled others.
    Moreover, he openly nasty openly and was indignant when he was also answered openly. Mol had to write in a personal.
    Nobody owes him anything.
    Girkin behaves like a pathetic, retired, provincial actor who is not invited to the roles and he really needs to be reminded of himself, no matter how. Let it be rudeness and scandal, because for an actor there is nothing worse than oblivion.
    In this way, Girkin reminds Dzhigurda, Panin and others.
    And finish with this "FSB colonel".
    He never was, and nothing confirms this, except for his own assertion.
    That is, an ordinary impostor. Invented to raise his image.
    In general, Girkin's statements should be treated with a great deal of skepticism.
    Including his excuses why he surrendered Slavyansk.
    Girkin is a downed pilot for a long time, his time passed in the 14th year.
    He has no authority either in the Donbass or in the army. Well, except for the witnesses of the Girkin sect, who have created an idol for themselves.
    That is why his attempt to form a brigade of volunteers in the Donbass under his command failed. No one wanted to serve under the command of Girkin, everyone had long forgotten about him there.
    And the FSB officers just laugh at his megalomania. I had to communicate.
    And Girkin has no cool sources of information.
    He simply repeats what other experts write and passes it off as exclusive.
    This can be easily verified by making simple comparisons.
    Not Girkin defended Donetsk, Gorlovka, Lugansk.
    What Kurginyan says can be treated differently, but the fact that he has connections at the very top is a fact. And that means he has information.
    But I believe Bezler more, who was in the thick of things and openly called Girkin a traitor.
    And yet, Prigozhin caught Girkin by his long tongue, and now the cowardly Girkin is spinning like a louse on a comb to refuse.
    You see, they approached him in a wrong way and made a wrong offer.
    And how were they to be addressed, Your Excellency or Your Majesty?
    What position did he want? For Prigogine to obey him?
    They allocated a colonel for negotiations in order to clarify all the points, again not so.
    Maybe he wants Putin to invite him personally? Come, dear Igor Ivanovich, and take charge of us, we are lost without you.
    In general, Girkin behaves exactly according to the saying - who wants to do it is looking for a way, and who does not want to look for a reason.
    Here he is looking for a reason.
    Girkin was blown away. Inflated out of a molehill.
    But for, VO is a very good topic, a lot of comments, not only on other topics.
    Girkin and Rogozin are a win-win for ratings.
  34. +8
    February 3 2023
    In general, it’s disgusting, they drag out dirty laundry into the light of God, they dog ​​like market women, they arrange squabbles. Disgusting and sad. Cock for joy. Involuntarily, once again you will remember Joseph Vissarionovich.
  35. +3
    February 3 2023
    I agree with the author, everything is done so that Strelkov would not accept the offer. I don't care about Strelkov, but these are the facts. Prigozhin does not want his participation and begins to show off.
  36. +16
    February 3 2023
    Girkin did his job and did it well, and did not make money (which, as you know, conquers evil). And this is what irritates and causes hostility among professional "hammerers". Of course, I do not know all the nuances of Girkin's service as Minister of Defense of the DPR, but his opponents do not arouse the slightest sympathy in me. Well, what kind of heroism can there be in PMCs?! Only for banknotes! Capitalism, that's what it is. Mercenary is a hero! For me, this phrase raises doubts about the common sense of propaganda. And if with a criminal smell, then even more so.
  37. +7
    February 3 2023
    Quote: Viktor Biryukov
    And who are these Wagner commanders to judge someone? Where do they get such powers from? For example, I have many questions about this PMC, given that in Lugansk (and not only) there have been rumors for a long time that they were involved in the murder of Alexei Mozgovoy. Has anyone judged them for this?

    You voiced my assumptions, which I already formulated for myself a long time ago, but did not post here. hi
  38. +3
    February 3 2023
    Quote from Avesev
    The author of the article is a typical Strelkov fan. Some justifications in the text, justifications of the enemy of the people who constantly says that defeat is inevitable, about the collapse of Russia. Strelkov, even during the Syrian campaign, said that "there are not enough people", "the collapse of Russia awaits us", "not a war, but a shame." Just a crazy old grandfather who collects donations to eat, and whines

    "Analyst", did you manage to finish high school? belay lol
  39. +2
    February 3 2023
    Maybe you should dance from Prigozhin’s words when he decided to enter the DPR and LPR in 2014-15. When “muddy” personalities grazed around, recruiting and directing volunteers. Prigozhin knows something, but is silent. For whom is the war, for whom is the mother dear. It's not time to find out all the ins and outs.
  40. -2
    February 3 2023
    Igor Strelkov, in response, was not at a loss, and noted that if ...

    Here are all the dots over the "I". He was not taken aback and went into the mire.
  41. +8
    February 3 2023
    For me, Strelkov is the only specialist with a military education regarding Ukraine. I've been watching him for a long time and he's right. He is a combat officer with the rank of . I think that Prigogine should not have touched him at all. Absolutely different poles. In fact, Prigozhin conducts illegal activities ... And he is trying to drag the colonel into it. Yes, it's easy to screw up.
    1. -8
      February 3 2023
      Quote: Anyuta Slavnaya
      For me, Strelkov is the only specialist with a military education regarding Ukraine. I've been watching him for a long time and he's right. He is a combat officer with the rank of . I think that Prigogine should not have touched him at all. Absolutely different poles. In fact, Prigozhin conducts illegal activities ... And he is trying to drag the colonel into it. Yes, it's easy to screw up.

      A sergeant, not a colonel. You say specialist? How long is the front near Slavyansk? 10-20 km?
      And now under a thousand. And what is your Girkin specialist in with such a scope of hostilities, the number of forces and means involved?
      Did you serve in the army or did you leave?
      The level of your "specialist" is maximum battalion commander.
      It's like comparing the Kursk Bulge and the defense of a district city.
  42. +3
    February 3 2023
    All forecasts of the respected Igor Ivanovich come true! In terms of combat. He also clearly and clearly named the reasons for the failures and a true assessment of the lompasniks.
    1. +2
      February 3 2023
      Well, now they write that Prigozhin received a summons for interrogation at the Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine. Curiously, will he go there on the same conditions on which he summoned Strelkov?
      1. -3
        February 3 2023
        Quote: ivan2022
        Well, now they write that Prigozhin received a summons for interrogation at the Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine. Curiously, will he go there on the same conditions on which he summoned Strelkov?

        And Prigozhin is a prosecutor?
        1. +2
          February 3 2023
          Quote: Ulan.1812

          And Prigozhin is a prosecutor?

          Even worse. He's already acting like the Attorney General.
          In order to get a complete kirdyk, we lack only such a Fuhrer ....... And your master is definitely aiming for the place of the future Fuhrer ......
          1. -1
            February 5 2023
            Quote: ivan2022
            And your master is definitely aiming for the place of the future Fuhrer ......

            Putin is a democrat at heart and a gentle person. In a good way. Prikozhin, by his behavior in the conflict with Strelkov, probably broke the development of his political career and excluded himself from the list of persons to whom Putin would entrust political power.
    2. -3
      February 5 2023
      Quote: huntsman650
      All forecasts of the respected Igor Ivanovich come true! In terms of combat. He also clearly and clearly named the reasons for the failures and a true assessment of the lompasniks.

      All right? Remembering, he argued that Popasnaya could not be taken for life ... lol
  43. +3
    February 3 2023
    Alexander Zhuchkovsky https://vk.com/juchkovsky?w=wall151630709_123970%2Fall&ysclid=ldgd24zfqv392244368
    January 28, 2023 at 17:11 pm
    The situation, in my opinion, is obvious. Prigozhin imprudently invited Strelkov to Wagner - he wanted, as they say, "to take on a show off." Expecting that he would refuse under the pretext of unwillingness to personally obey Prigozhin, whom he, Strelkov, does not respect (which was clear from his previous speeches). However, Strelkov showed a willingness to step over a personal relationship and announced his readiness for business negotiations on joining the PMC. At this point, Prigozhin stalled, obviously regretting the proposal he had made (which initially sounded decent), and began to break into obscene language; it is possible that he was contacted by a higher level and informed that it was inadmissible to involve Strelkov. Prigozhin's rude emotional attacks were aimed at making Strelkov "get off topic" first. But he adhered to the chosen line of conduct and, as we learned today, even gave Wagner consent to come to the Donbass. Today, Prigozhin, obviously losing the game, decided to raise the level and descended to completely dirty insults and outright slander (about Akhmetov). As a result, he achieved his goal - Strelkov, of course, refused further negotiations and arrival in Wagner. Now Prigozhin's supporters will say that Strelkov "jumped", etc. In fact, Prigozhin, in an effort to discredit Strelkov, discredited himself, and now he looks indecent - an impulsive bully, a narrow-minded person of criminal culture. Strelkov proved himself as a Russian officer, as a man of honor
  44. +3
    February 3 2023
    If we discard the context of clarifications about old hostilities, then Prigozhin's attack on Girkin is quite understandable.

    PMC Wagner and Prigozhin enters the public field. Despite the fact that Wagner, according to the statements of very many, openly violates both the criminal law of Russia and the "social contract", that only the state has the right to violence, the right to forgive criminals, to recruit them for military service, to have tanks, planes, artillery ....
    And then Girkin, the hero of the "Russian Spring" covered by EDROM, accuses them of something. Apparently, rightly so, not only he said this.
    The bottom line:
    1) It is necessary to discredit both Girkin and the memory of the "Russian Spring"
    2) it is necessary to whitewash and introduce into the public field the PMC, which, due to violations of the Criminal Code, has been acting since the age of 14, as it were, bypassing the laws, quietly ...
    3) It is necessary, indeed, to distract from the fact of leaving the occupied and annexed territories.
    4) It is necessary to pinch too well-known military experts outside the Kremlin pool, and even regularly voicing unpleasant facts from the left (for example, about the financing of Ukrainian nationalists by Russian oligarchs)
    5) And, for sure, something will be typed for the "hero of bygone days" .... (for example, I drew attention to videos about Chechen fighters - "not a speck of dust" ..)
  45. +5
    February 3 2023
    Why did Prigozhin invite Strelkov to Wagner PMC
    As usual, a fairly objective and good article by V. Biryukov. It's funny to watch how the cooks burst into a flood of comments in defense of their master ...
  46. +4
    February 3 2023
    Haven't read the comments yet

    In this regard, a logical question arises - why did Yevgeny Prigozhin invite Igor Strelkov to the PMC, but did everything to make him refuse this offer?


    Prigozhin nafik does not need a competitor - and he "cleaned" him on the "outskirts of the front line" laughing

    They have too different "weight categories" - who is Prigogine? feel And who is Strelkov? fellow
    1. -4
      February 5 2023
      Quote: Crown without virus
      Haven't read the comments yet

      In this regard, a logical question arises - why did Yevgeny Prigozhin invite Igor Strelkov to the PMC, but did everything to make him refuse this offer?


      Prigozhin nafik does not need a competitor - and he "cleaned" him on the "outskirts of the front line" laughing

      They have too different "weight categories" - who is Prigogine? feel And who is Strelkov? fellow

      A competitor, and even at the forefront? Well, you have made fun so far of all the exploits of Girkin over the past year - this grumbling in a cart from Moscow and a few pictures in the Donetsk rear ... a good hero.
  47. +2
    February 3 2023
    Some kind of moral informational ugliness. At a time when the Russian army has so many problems, these guys pour mud on each other to the delight of Ukrainians. Now let's start in order, why the hell did they start talking about the private company Wagner in the newspapers and on TV, this is all from a big not from cleverness or from the sexual impotence of our military commanders and officials dealing with the problem of Ukraine. Why the hell did Mr. Prigozhin suddenly appear like the devil out of a tobacco box, why did he appear with his private company fighting in Ukraine in the media space of Russia - believe me, this is a big mistake of our officials., which still comes back to haunt us all more than once or twice. Well, it’s fighting and let it fight to the joy of our state. And then again, some kind of opposition between heroic musicians and the Russian military, knocked down by no one knows who, it just can’t be because it’s wrong. The main force in everything this operation, these are our Valiant Armed Forces, but not Vladlen Tatarsky and other comrades giving interviewsto the right and to the left some pseudo experts who pollute the brains of gullible Russians with all sorts of information stuffing. The leukmotive of these figures is one The Russian army is bad and its officers are shit and further in the same vein. They wouldn’t give the Russian army and won’t give it. It’s bad that this informational swamp of pseudo-patriots has not yet been taken into the strict framework of control and regulation by our state, from here it’s all a disgrace, that leader sent this one and that one. We need to end this disgrace and introduce some kind of military censorship and regulation of the material in the NMD zone, otherwise we will soon agree with these figures to the devil.
    1. 0
      February 4 2023
      Nanogenius will do business here too, that the people will again have to disentangle ..
  48. +4
    February 3 2023
    This is my personal opinion, one got criminal experience and finances along with it, was able to hire normal analysts, strategists, logistics, financiers, prof. military. And make money on it. The second, thanks to his experience and skills, just wanted to help. And now he is being belittled, is it not funny to you all ?????
  49. +7
    February 3 2023
    It seems that in the power "trenches" they decided to clean up Strelka, who, with his criticism and often justified, pulls the rating of "military successes" of the authorities to the level of the plinth. But to do this, as with General Rokhlin, is rather difficult - the time is not right and there can be a lot of noise. Therefore, Oprichnik was chosen with his Wagner structure and an invitation to the front. Where Strelok was supposed to "heroically die for the glory of power" by receiving a bullet in the back of the head. The appearance of Rogozin, this well-fed Pug from the Kremlin gates, who loves to PR in NATO, makes one think of such a combination outfit in the vastness of the NWO. When this victim of the French howitzer began to incite Strelok to go to Wagner, it became clear that the matter was dark. It just looks like Oprichnik himself did not want Strelok’s death to be associated with his name and broke the combination by blaming him and that most forcing to abandon the trip!
  50. +3
    February 3 2023
    no one really invited Strelkov to fight in the zone of a special military operation. The offer was made in such a way that it could not be accepted.
    It's hard to argue with that.
    why did Yevgeny Prigozhin ... act this way and not otherwise?
    So here is the answer
    It is not very clear why Yevgeny Prigozhin took part in this campaign, probably in this way he is trying to clear competitors on the patriotic flank

    More precisely, Prigogine wants to draw patriotic energy to himself.
    Question: FOR WHAT ?
    ---
    The answer must be sought in the biography of Prigogine himself. And the biography is like in a fairy tale.
    1. In the 90s, a tremendous take-off in the restaurant business and not just anywhere, but in St. Petersburg, which in those years bore the name of the "criminal capital of Russia."
    Who helped
    At the beginning of 2000, Prigozhin was given the name "Putin's personal chef", although Putin himself said in this regard that all his cooks are employees of the FSO and he does not have other cooks. But someone assigned the same name to him. For what?
    After all, such a name allows its bearer to project the trust that Putin has on himself.

    2. Further, the biography unexpectedly makes a restaurateur (!!!) the creator of a private military company (!!!)

    In 1914, Russia needed a detachment of professionals to provide military assistance to the Donbass. Prigogine quickly realized that it was impossible to let things take their course.: money will be stolen, and the guys will be sent under the bullets naked and barefoot. We needed an investor who would not rob, would not engage in fraud, and would be able to consolidate all the participants. And such an investor became a businessman with harmless reputation as a restaurateur and chef Putin.

    In short, in 2014 Russia needed a military detachment outside the Russian Ministry of Defense, which, in addition, had to be financed, and someone (who?) Was ready to finance it privately (otherwise how to understand "the money will be stolen").
    It seems that the one who was ready to finance this detachment (and this should probably be an oligarch close to Putin), offered Putin as a manager (so that "the money would not be stolen") Prigozhin.

    If this is so, then Prigozhin is a very close and trusted person of this oligarch - Prigozhin himself cannot finance such a company (he does not have that kind of money) - which means he only manages this money.
    Question: who is this oligarch?
    One can only guess: the rumors are different, but most often they suggest that this is either Arkady Rotenberg or Yuri Kovalchuk, however, there may be other persons.
    ---
    So why did the protege of the oligarch need to accumulate patriotic energy,
    Yes, so active that even Strelkov got it?
    ---
    After all, energy can be directed both in a creative direction and in a destructive one.
    What is a color revolution? This is a specially accumulated energy, which is aimed at destruction.
    We cannot be defeated in war - but we can be destroyed from within.
  51. +6
    February 3 2023
    Strelkov explained his actions in 2014. He explained what caused the decisions and the circumstances of the situation. It was not worth attacking him for this, it is obvious that he is being pressed, largely for constructive criticism of his own. This man is not a coward. Read at least his biography, from Transnistria to his work during the Chechen period. They decided to “cancel” it, as is now fashionable. Even if leaving Slavyansk was his mistake, (although I believe that this is not a mistake), we are all human and make mistakes.
    Beloved and respected by many, including me, Lev Yakovlevich Rokhlin, before earning a (deservedly!) reputation as an excellent military general, messed up in Afghanistan, losing people and equipment in ambushes that could have been avoided.
    But no one rushes at him, like a dog broken loose from its chain. The main thing is that he learned his lessons and did not allow this to happen again. Is it worth remembering Pulikovsky, or Lebed? Is it worth remembering the recent Kherson? Makeevka? Why is there no news that the culprits have been punished? Convicted. In my opinion, 83 mobs died there, they died out of stupidity. Talk about the 155th brigade of the Pacific Fleet? In someone else's eye, as they say. Anyone can make a mistake, but there is no need to persecute them for it, much less publicly let them down.
    1. 0
      February 4 2023
      Living in Russia, but worried about my loved ones in Ukraine due to the words of expectation of Russian troops, I suggested meeting in Slavyansk (it was the very beginning). I said that I would gather a dozen fighters, all of whom had gone through the Chechen campaign, and we would meet in Slavyansk. To which I heard that they cannot, because they have families and need to be fed. So who surrendered Slavyansk? I? Are my relatives from Ukraine? Or maybe all of us?
  52. 0
    February 3 2023
    On the topic of this article, for some reason I remember “The Tale of Fedot the Archer”:

    Is it good or bad news,
    Report everything to me!
    Better bitter but true
    Than pleasant, but flattery!

    Only if enta news
    It will be again - not God’s message,
    You for that kind of truth
    You can sit down for ten years!
    (C)

    None of them need either the truth or the news... although criticism from Strelkov is sometimes apparently extremely inconvenient and reveals hidden affairs
  53. +4
    February 4 2023
    Strelkov cannot join the army or politics. He is categorical, toxic, too direct in his speeches. There are others needed...
    The time for the Strelkovs has not come. If he comes somewhere, those who do not need an agreement with the West may begin to consolidate around him, and this apparently is not necessary yet.
    The authorities are still grieving that the West abandoned us, just as an abandoned woman grieves for a man. He gets angry, jealous, files for alimony, trashes his mistress on all sides, but waits for peace...
    Otherwise, they would have started building their own production long ago, decoupled from the dollar, left the WTO and developed their own production.
    But this is not the case. And no one even talks about it. Nobody says that after the SVO we will begin to think about the interests of the nation. Each citizen will receive a round sum into their account. Every soldier and officer has a home in the black earth strip of Ukraine. No. Oil and gas continue to flow abroad. The economic scheme is the same. But Strelok will not support this. He will say NO. As long as our economy is controlled by resources, everything will be the same. It’s time to finally understand who benefits from SVO?
    Victory in the war can be achieved if true patriots win within, and not those who give tiny pensions from an oil puddle and carry out pseudo-patriotic actions for reports.
    It is these pseudo-patriots, veneer speakers that the Westerners are counting on.
    Of course, we will defeat Ukraine, but we are not fighting with it, but with those who can be defeated only by completely changing the material and spiritual foundations of Russia.
    Only a producing economy can give Russia a chance to make a breakthrough. The abolition of Western intellectual property rights will enable engineers to create without regard to patents.
    How Kalashnikov worked with 4 different machine guns in front of him.
    But our economy takes good things out of the country and it is destructive, not creative.
    1. 0
      February 4 2023
      I agree! +++++
      The text of your comment is too short and
    2. +2
      February 4 2023
      Agree. Stalin also should not have been allowed into politics. He was also straightforward and categorical. And how toxic was it for the subsequent government!? We even had to spend money on activities to debunk the cult of personality.
  54. 0
    February 4 2023
    Why, I don’t believe in all these “Wagner-DerliWagner”...
  55. 0
    February 4 2023
    Quote from Kuziming
    Prigogine is at least trying to somehow solve the problem of technological backwardness.

    What was that ? Is this some kind of sarcasm? Prigogine, is he a researcher? Or maybe I finished Baumanka?
  56. AUL
    +1
    February 4 2023
    But we don’t like critics! So they spread rot on the inconvenient.
  57. -1
    February 4 2023
    In the words of Prigozhin and to him:
    - I watched your speech and I can say the following: you are running a rotten market, presenting it to the wrong address. Have you been to Slavyansk?
    Prigozhin called Strelkov a stykl, so maybe this confirms that he himself is not like that when he records a video from the front line, commanding an assault brigade? Otherwise it turns out to be shit.
    Having so much money, I would have already taken the Pentagon with hostility; Wagner leaves at the expense of his fighters, and certainly not because of Prigozhin’s unsurpassed mind.
    I am not a fan of Strelkov, but I am for justice. And Prigozhin is definitely not the person who can reproach Girkin with anything. The pipka hasn't grown up yet.
    1. -2
      February 5 2023
      Quote: EvGenSad
      In the words of Prigozhin and to him:
      - I watched your speech and I can say the following: you are running a rotten market, presenting it to the wrong address. Have you been to Slavyansk?
      Prigozhin called Strelkov a stykl, so maybe this confirms that he himself is not like that when he records a video from the front line, commanding an assault brigade? Otherwise it turns out to be shit.
      Having so much money, I would have already taken the Pentagon with hostility; Wagner leaves at the expense of his fighters, and certainly not because of Prigozhin’s unsurpassed mind.
      I am not a fan of Strelkov, but I am for justice. And Prigozhin is definitely not the person who can reproach Girkin with anything. The pipka hasn't grown up yet.

      As for Wagner, Soledar captured several settlements next in line Bakhmut... Successful operations in Syria and Africa... What exploits can Girkin boast of?
      1. +1
        February 6 2023
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        As for Wagner, Soledar captured several settlements next in line Bakhmut... Successful operations in Syria and Africa... What exploits can Girkin boast of?

        What comments did Girkin make to Wagner? By the way, “Wagner” is the call sign of Lieutenant Colonel Utkin.
        To begin with, give Girkin the same means that Prigogine has, then you can open your eyes....about the exploits.. And about Africa, no need! There were moments of such shameful defeat that it is generally not customary to remember now.
  58. +2
    February 5 2023
    political scientist Sergei Kurginyan
    - oh, this “palitolakh” of the Armenian flood...
    From what side did this “theater” and “showman” become a political scientist?
    To be called that does not mean to be one. A very shady personality who rose in 14 on the wave of the liberation of Donbass.
    1. -4
      February 5 2023
      Quote: Deadush
      political scientist Sergei Kurginyan
      - oh, this “palitolakh” of the Armenian flood...
      From what side did this “theater” and “showman” become a political scientist?
      To be called that does not mean to be one. A very shady personality who rose in 14 on the wave of the liberation of Donbass.

      Just like Girkin himself...
      1. +3
        February 5 2023
        Dear, you are not very familiar with Kurginyan’s affairs (except for the information in Wikipedia).
        At the beginning of the movement on Dobass, he lit up and not from the best side. At the beginning I was generally against it. Then he began to rush about first for one, then for another. And when he already sensed the benefit, he began to drown for Donbass. A slippery careerist, and unlike Dugin, who is at least ideological, this one is still a scoundrel.
        At one time he had some kind of society like a sect. He needs money and fame, not ideas and people.
  59. +1
    February 5 2023
    Great article! Everything that I thought about on this issue is laid out like the Lord's Prayer. Thanks to the author!
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    1. -3
      February 5 2023
      Girkin - yes, he’s nobody.. He’s just an expert in countering gangs and worked underground in the frontline zone.. Givi, Motorola, Sotniki - this is after Girkin and his people were forced out of Donbass territory
  61. -2
    February 5 2023
    The fifth column of discrediting is in action, they would find the instigator and stand on the rack, just like Serdyukov’s observers. They shit on one, but aim much higher.
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  63. 0
    February 6 2023
    Quote: yuriy1863
    Igor Ivanovich, among other things, is simply a good analyst.

    Not just good, but the best.
    It’s a pity that his forecasts fall on deaf ears of our Ministry of Defense (or it is bound by orders from above and cannot conduct the military defense as expected).
  64. -2
    February 8 2023
    This is simple discredit in the blogosphere. Without denying Strelkov’s merits, it is logical to reduce his authority as a military analyst a little... as a prophet and saint, we do not need him.
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  66. 0
    February 9 2023
    No matter how they persecute Strelkov now, it was he who stood at the head of the resistance of the people of the LDPR, at a time when the Russian government was only wagging its tongue...
  67. 0
    February 12 2023
    Whatever the quarrel between these two individuals is, it’s all nonsense, I’ll tell you. They, Prigozhin, Strelkov-Girkin don’t solve anything... If we talk about 2014, then building Nord Stream 1 and then 2 was much more profitable than fighting, which is why no one helped Strelkov, because billions were at stake green money, but no one needed a bunch of drunken miners, what was the result? In the end, it turned out that the Russian Federation lost both billions and these same drunken miners, but this is not terrible, the terrible thing is that the Russian Federation has lost in status, the Euro-Geans are frankly already moving in with the Russian Federation, and they are only held back by the presence of a nuclear bomb no more. So, judging by everything that happened over the year, the Russian Federation lost more than it gained, because now it needs to go much deeper territorially on the outskirts than it could have done in 2014. The conclusion is the following - the Russian Federation lost this war, whether we like it or not... remember, where the money is, where people think that everything depends on money, there will be no victory, in the literal sense of the word, because money is not a factor victory, achieving it. I’m sorry, it’s a shame, but it turned out as always.

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