Voenkor: Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kremennaya tried to use tactics, as in the attack on Balakleya

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Voenkor: Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kremennaya tried to use tactics, as in the attack on Balakleya

While all public attention is focused on Artemovsk and Vgledar in the DPR, clashes continue in other directions in the NVO zone.

In particular, in the last week, the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked the positions of the Guards 144th Motor Rifle Division almost every day, trying to dislodge Russian fighters from their positions in the direction of Kremennaya (LPR). For 5 days, the enemy, with forces up to a battalion, almost continuously tried to attack the positions of those mobilized from the Bryansk and Smolensk regions, writes the military commander Senior Edda in his TG channel.



According to the expert, the Ukrainian military used a tactic similar to that which they used during the offensive on Balakliya - an attack by mobile units on armored vehicles.

Meanwhile, as the military correspondent writes, such maneuvers bring results only when the enemy flees or at least retreats from their positions. In the case of the Guards 144th Motor Rifle Division, the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot “push back” our fighters even a meter and in the course of each of their attacks they suffer significant losses in manpower and equipment.

At the same time, the expert emphasized that in some cases the battle with the enemy takes place at a distance of a pistol shot, adding that such situations are extremely rare for modern warfare.

Military correspondents note that the mobilized fighters not only successfully repulse the attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the direction of Kremennaya, but also move forward themselves, “unwinding” the enemy’s infantry, occupying its strongholds and destroying supply routes.
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  1. -2
    1 February 2023 17: 41
    So, those mobilized near Kremennaya did not give in to the tactics of mobile groups. Why did the Ukrainians succeed near Izyum, when there were no mobilized, but there were contract soldiers?
    1. +43
      1 February 2023 17: 45
      Quote from Gpn27
      So, those mobilized near Kremennaya did not give in to the tactics of mobile groups. Why did the Ukrainians succeed near Izyum, when there were no mobilized, but there were contract soldiers?

      The problem is quantity. The guys were not enough. The same Bars fought like gods. But when asked by the leadership why it was impossible to pull up and reorganize the reserves in advance, no one answered. As a result, reserves were pulled up only for emergency evacuation.
      1. +2
        2 February 2023 07: 27
        There were simply no reserves. The peacetime army was all at the forefront. And this is after six months of war, with all 200s, 300s, 400s, and 500s .....
    2. +33
      1 February 2023 17: 51
      Because not a full platoon defended the line for more than 3 km.
      1. +8
        1 February 2023 18: 01
        Is it not possible to quickly organize minefields to prevent the movement of such mobile groups on light vehicles? The same "petals" from the MLRS do an excellent job of immobilizing vehicles, and it is much more convenient to work on slow-moving infantry (dismounted force) artillery.
        1. -2
          3 February 2023 07: 52
          Petal anti-personnel mine. We don't have them. In Ukraine, the Soviet past. But, if the enemy is moving in armored vehicles, the petals will not help!
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      2. +3
        1 February 2023 19: 07
        barbiturate, you have a forelock sticking out behind your nickname
    4. +10
      1 February 2023 18: 20
      This malicious question is easy to answer. Because there were very few troops, as we have repeatedly warned on this military portal.
      1. +8
        1 February 2023 19: 23
        It’s true, there were few troops, but on this and on a bunch of other canal portals they shouted about the impending offensive, about the concentration of troops, about echelons of equipment at night with unloading, radio intercepts, etc. Everyone knew everything, but there were few or no troops.
        And if there are so few of them, why didn't everyone run? The same Bars were cut to death, and someone threw tanks and ran on what they could from reconnaissance in pickup trucks with machine guns ... maybe the enemy pestered and shot from the air? Also no! Then why do the cadres flee, and the volunteers fight and not just die, so that at any cost they would delay the enemy for an hour or two, but calmly stop him in their front sectors and hold him for a day, a week, two weeks? Maybe the enemy was not so strong, how much the command is weak and maybe weak on purpose? And we obviously won’t find out how it really happened, only from eyewitnesses of the drape
        1. +9
          1 February 2023 20: 58
          Quote: barbiturate
          Maybe the enemy was not so strong, how much the command is weak and maybe weak on purpose? And we obviously won’t find out how it really happened, only from eyewitnesses of the drape

          Most likely, ours specially handed over Kharkov, because the option as with Kherson and Zaporozhye did not work in Kharkov. So they rolled back to the border of the LPR. For you can retreat 10 km, and even 20 km, but 80-100, this is not a retreat.
          1. +5
            2 February 2023 07: 32
            The option with Kherson in the Kharkiv region COULD NOT work, since this option with Kherson at that time did not exist in nature
          2. +3
            2 February 2023 10: 26
            We surrendered the territory in the Kharkov region, and not Kharkov, which was not controlled by us.
            1. +4
              2 February 2023 12: 35
              Yes, the first throw made it possible to capture 50%, and in some places 70% of the city of Kharkov. And then the lack of flowers and reserves resulted in the beating of our units and, as a result, a retreat. There was no escape, there was confusion and bungling, different command levels (Rosguard, Moscow Region, volunteers). Which later repeated more than once or twice
              1. -1
                2 February 2023 15: 15
                Yes, the first throw allowed us to capture 50%, and in some places 70% of the city of Kharkov

                What nonsense. Read about 81 and 131. There, in general, according to you, 99% were captured, the palace was already visible.
          3. +1
            3 February 2023 15: 57
            specially given, throwing a bunch of equipment? including t-90m? ok so special....
        2. +10
          2 February 2023 07: 30
          Personnel - this is a peacetime army. Many of them can serve, but not everyone wants to fight and not everyone succeeds. And volunteers are precisely those who purposefully go to war. Feel the difference..?
    5. +8
      1 February 2023 19: 17
      The article is about the 3rd and 144th divisions of 20 0A. These guys didn't run anywhere in the fall. Many of them were heroes of front-line reports. For example, the commander of a tank company, unfortunately deceased, is Damir Shaimardanov.
      1. +7
        1 February 2023 19: 59
        I agree that these units were not there, it was just about the same tactics that brought a lot of joy to the ukrams, but to us a lot of negativity. Well, no one denies the heroism of our soldiers, questions to the command
    6. +3
      2 February 2023 07: 24
      Because in September we had 7-10 people left in our companies. There were 5 people on one support, a kilometer later another support, also 5 people. And no reserves ....
    7. 0
      2 February 2023 08: 58
      Quote from Gpn27
      Why did the Ukrainians succeed near Izyum, when there were no mobilized, but there were contract soldiers?

      Because in the msdivision, even an unframed one, there are at least 10 thousand infantry with heavy armored vehicles ... and contract soldiers were 600 riot police and national guards without heavy weapons.
      1. +1
        2 February 2023 10: 31
        And why "even in unframed"? Just cropped has a small number. I can't give exact numbers from memory. But, in my opinion, even in the deployed MSD there are less than 10 thousand. Our divisions are traditionally smaller in number compared to the US and FRG divisions. As for the infantry, if we consider motorized rifle companies as such, then the number of their personnel is less than half of the number of personnel of the MSD.
      2. +3
        2 February 2023 10: 33
        The riot police, like the SOBR, are also the National Guard, an integral part of the National Guard.
    8. +2
      2 February 2023 09: 53
      Unwinding enemy infantry"

      Excuse me, how is that?
    9. 0
      3 February 2023 07: 03
      Because there were 15 of these contract soldiers for every 3 km of the front at liquid strongholds, or there were none at all.
    10. +2
      6 February 2023 16: 53
      Because the soldiers were told "Ukrainians will not dare, there is no need to fortify." The Donetsk mobilized did not understand at all what they were doing there near Kharkov. The regular units of the RF Armed Forces generally maneuvered to the side on their own. Donetsk mobs, OMON and BARS took the rap for miscalculations.
      The tactics of armored cars gave success because early autumn with dry soil and the absence of serious defense, both in engineering and organizational terms. Hello zampolitam "we are here forever."
  2. +17
    1 February 2023 17: 42
    Almost every day they attacked the positions of the Guards 144th Motor Rifle Division, trying to dislodge Russian fighters from their positions in the direction of Kremennaya (LPR)

    144th Guards Motorized Rifle Yelninskaya Red Banner, Order of the Suvorov Division. Hang in there guys, we're all rooting for you.
  3. +17
    1 February 2023 17: 47
    well done boys! don’t feel sorry for banderyugs and don’t fill our prisons with them, let them stay at home (better below ground level!)
  4. +5
    1 February 2023 18: 06
    "during the attack on Balakleya" in fact, this tactic was used for the first time: Guderian.
    In America, Guderian's tactics were brought to automatism. It has already become a pattern.
    Here Zalyuzhny acts like, "as uncles tell"
  5. +8
    1 February 2023 18: 12
    In fact, such a regrouping should be a criminal matter. For a month or more they talked about the accumulation of the Ukrainian, so what? Well, against defense on the principle of strong points when there is not complete control of the front line, there is not enough HP, just such a method works. And now everything, the lafa ends, there are only stars left.
  6. +9
    1 February 2023 18: 22
    The mobilized fighters, if they are properly trained and armed and, above all, if they are sent professionally, as we see, fight well, as the Russian soldier traditionally did.
  7. -1
    1 February 2023 18: 23
    Taking into account what was written in the article about small arms combat at a distance of 50-100m, we can conclude that nothing has changed in our army - there is no intelligence, no communications, no air support and artillery ... And we all dream about the Polish border.
  8. +7
    1 February 2023 18: 56
    Quote: barbiturate
    (according to him) - our general (generals) were simply given money and they gave the appropriate orders,

    It seems to me, or does it really "pull" on the Article of the Criminal Code for discrimination of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ?!
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    2. +1
      1 February 2023 20: 24
      not just "pulls", but specifically under such statements this article was written)
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  9. +5
    2 February 2023 09: 50
    Mobilized are heroes! But where are our personnel 5 million "siloviki" ?! Even Ramzan Kadyrov has repeatedly called for at least some of them to be sent to the Donbass - maybe then they would not have had to flee from Izyum and Kherson?
    1. +2
      2 February 2023 10: 38
      Five million where? The largest part is the sun. The number is going to be brought up to one and a half million, now it is less. The Russian Guard is 340 thousand, and this includes private security. FSO a couple of tens of thousands. And what else? Police and FSIN? But they have a different training, they are not army structures.
      1. +1
        2 February 2023 13: 12
        The Russian Guard is 340 thousand, and this includes private security. FSO a couple of tens of thousands. And what else? Police and FSIN? But they have a different training, they are not army structures.

        Fighting "glasses"? Oh, yes - this is very serious and dangerous, special "preparation" is needed here ... wink By the way, plus 340 thousand if you count with those listed below, it will be at least 3 times more ... Yes Even Kadyrov expressed bewilderment, where are more than 1 million different types of security officials and policemen...
        1. +2
          2 February 2023 15: 01
          About the police, the problem is that there are a lot of nasyalnikof in uniform with special ranks.
          There is a lack of work at the lower level, but there are rear guards, scribes of instructions for checking, supervising hoo.
          That's just from most of these carriers of epaulettes, as from soldiers, there is zero sense.
          Moreover, it is already time to bow to those dismissed from the Ministry of Internal Affairs during the reforms and ask, namely, ask people with work experience to return to service, because the Ministry of Internal Affairs will have a sea without edges to work on the liberated lands. But a shoulder strap porter without useful features knows what to do with.
          1. +1
            3 February 2023 03: 46
            So after all, it’s earlier to get into the police, you had to serve in the army ... And now they go to the police to get out of the army service ... And those who served in the army are no higher than a sergeant .... And in the police they are majors and colonels.
  10. +1
    2 February 2023 13: 23
    The battalion advances on the division, the division fiercely beats back. Maybe one company is fighting from the division. Or, as always, there are no analogues. There are no words for the courage of our soldiers, but the authorities are below the plinth.
  11. +1
    3 February 2023 15: 55
    positions of those mobilized from the Bryansk and Smolensk regions, writes the military commander Senior Edda in his TG channel.
    __________<<<<


    Once again, they want to tell us that the mobilized are not divided into units that know how to fight, but separate mobilized units are assembled, which, of course, do not know how to fight????

    fall down don't get up...

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