The Polish command has decided to reduce the training of crews of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Leopard 2 tanks

The Polish authorities have decided to cut education tank APU crews on Leopard 2 tanks from 10 to 5 weeks. This is reported by the Reuters news agency, referring to the data of the Polish military command.

As Major Maciej Banashinsky, head of the training center for tank crews, noted, the reduction in the training time for Ukrainian tank crews will be achieved through the intensification of training and the involvement of additional instructors. True, it is not very clear whether Ukrainian tankers will be able to master a new technique for themselves in five weeks.

However, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have no other choice, since any delay, according to Kyiv, will contribute to the deterioration of the position of the Ukrainian army at the front. The Ukrainian leadership requires Western countries to hand over the tanks as soon as possible. Earlier, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky even stated that if the transfer of tanks takes place in the summer, it will be too late. He made this comment about the American Abrams tanks, but in relation to the German Leopard tanks it is quite appropriate.

Also, one cannot rule out the possibility that tank crews could be manned by mercenaries from Western countries who were trained on the Leopard while serving in European armies.

However, given the high casualties suffered by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass, it is unlikely that a large number of Western mercenaries could be recruited to control German tanks. But even poorly trained Ukrainian tankers are unlikely to be able to manage equipment that is new to them, so the hopes of Zelensky and his entourage for German tanks may not come true.

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[The black]

The Polish authorities decided to reduce the training of tank crews of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Leopard 2 tanks from 10 to 5 weeks

For "kamikaze, you don't need more .... takeoff and landing ...

Also, one cannot exclude the version that tank crews can be equipped with mercenaries from Western countries who have been trained on the Leopard while serving in European armies.

This is most likely. So it will be..

[Orange Bigg]

They have a mission left-received. For this, a couple of days of training is enough.

[skeptic]

Quote from Orange Bigg

They have a mission left-received. For this, a couple of days of training is enough.

Don't underestimate the enemy. The driver, commander, gunner are professionals, and for the role of loader, two weeks of intensive training is enough. Also, the attendants will be from Ukrainians.
Otherwise, deliveries in the near future, tanks, aircraft, will be meaningless. Let's assume that there are not idiots.

[Olegi1]

Also, the attendants will be from Ukrainians.

A couple of weeks for the loader - maybe, but preparing technicians in two weeks is unrealistic, IMHO.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Olegi1

A couple of weeks for the loader - maybe, but preparing technicians in two weeks is unrealistic, IMHO.

There is no need to train technicians so that they can make repairs, anyway, there is no base for this on the Outskirts. And in order to check the oil level, track tension, etc., two weeks is enough. Even with a poorly trained crew, Leo is a formidable adversary. And our fighters need to seriously prepare for a meeting with him. Strengthen reconnaissance assets and more Krasnopoles Underestimation can cost us dearly.

[Ruslan Badardinov]

There, the crew can be reduced to two people. Mechvod (in order to drive the tank to Russian territory) and gunner (in order to turn the tower out of harm's way). Next is business. Lam to the fighter of the Moscow Region for capturing a tank, lam to the mechanic driver and gunner, lam to the commander, so that he doesn’t fire at the office and lam to Kyiv, so that they would explain the evil ...

[ivan1979nkl]

compensate with love for nenka and hatred for damned Muscovites

[Cananecat]

Quote: Black

For "kamikaze, you don't need more .... takeoff and landing ...

So the tanks in the 404th will be in a month ...

[The black]

So the tanks will be in the 404th in a month.

If they're not already there.....

[credo]

Most likely, the first fit Leopards in the east of Ukraine will already appear in the first ten days of February with foreign crews, and then the replenishment will go on increasing as the Ukrainian crews are trained.
One should not believe the information from the West about the unavailability of the tanks themselves and the absence of Ukrainian crews. As a rule, they work out future deliveries in advance, and not after the fact, therefore, most likely, the selection in Ukraine of suitable flight crews for training on aircraft of NATO countries is already underway.

[Tor Vic]

with foreign crews, yes more !!!

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Or maybe the training has already ended, they just pretend that they are going

[Rusfaner]

"For" kamikaze, you don't need more .... takeoff and landing ... laughing "(c)

For a kamikaze, just takeoff is enough. And for the "panzers" the best thing is to go to the river, along with the train and the bridge.

[Bingo]

Quote: Black

For "kamikaze, you don't need more .... takeoff and landing ...

Landing - no longer needed So they are taught - QUICKLY get into the tank and fasten the collar so that it does not drip when the hatches are brewed

[isv000]

Quote: Black

For "kamikaze, you don't need more .... takeoff and landing ...

Rather, "crawled in and crawled out", although the second one is how lucky ...

[Alan81]

there is enough for them to take off behind their eyes ... saucepans (c)

[ch28k38]

Wrong! Landing was not provided for kamikaze.

[yho]

Naturally, in 5 weeks you can only retrain a tanker trained for another
technology, whether it be T-64 or T-80. That is not from scratch.
Pokryshkin, so immediately flew on the Messer, without training. And Devyatayev was able to steal the Henkel, without training. In the Second World War, Soviet tankers used captured German tanks, and the Germans used Soviet ones. Who taught them?

[air wolf]

Everything is clear, the Ukrainian is the loader, the rest are the Poles

[Cananecat]

Quote: air wolf

Everything is clear, the Ukrainian is the loader, the rest are the Poles

African American Ukrainian

[alexander 66]

Damn, the crews have been training for a long time, it's time to stop considering enemies as fools. This is all misinformation, and the pilots are already trained. It’s just that they have now legitimized the deliveries, they will announce the planes and the pilots will appear.

[4ekist]

alexandr 66 ....... and the pilots are already being trained.

Pilots are definitely trained and have been for quite a long time.

[your1970]

Quote: alexandr 66

Damn, the crews have been training for a long time, it's time to stop considering enemies as fools. This is all misinformation, and the pilots are already trained. It’s just that they have now legitimized the deliveries, they will announce the planes and the pilots will appear.

Are you sure that you can quickly train the crew to work with someone else's equipment with nameplates in German / Polish?
Do you think it’s just that in the Second World War, both the Wehrmacht and the spacecraft practically did not use tanks, and even more so enemy aircraft?
What do you need to develop motor skills of movements, and not look at the brochure "How do we shoot on the go"?

[isv000]

Quote: your1970

Do you think it’s just that in the Second World War, both the Wehrmacht and the spacecraft practically did not use tanks, and even more so enemy aircraft?

They used everything and everything, the example of Devyataev is only worth something!

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Well, it’s one thing to take off and fly away, and another to fight ... You can put any driver on the F1 steering wheel, maybe he will move off and drive a little, but it doesn’t mean that he will be able to participate in races

[Andy_nsk]

Do you think it’s just that in the Second World War, both the Wehrmacht and the spacecraft practically did not use tanks, and even more so enemy aircraft?

Tanks were used quite widely, and the Germans improved our tanks - first of all, they improved visibility (commander's turrets) and installed walkie-talkies, some tanks were converted into self-propelled guns (they had a whole zoo). Ours rarely managed to capture German equipment, but of course they used it during the capture, for example, I read about the "Tiger", which our tankers used while it was on the move.

[dfk-80]

In the Red Army there was a brigade on the T-3 / things while the Germans also had them in commercial quantities. The main problem of occasional use is repairs (well, the Germans also have a problem with a solarium).

[your1970]

Quote: dfk-80

The Red Army had a brigade on the T-3

Quote from Andy_nsk

Tanks were used and quite widely,

Quote: isv000

They used everything and everything, the example of Devyataev is only worth something!

A total of 100 tanks throughout the war - out of several thousand lost only in 1941. When serviceable tanks were abandoned due to fuel or negligence ...
And then there was 1942 - when at least a couple of thousand were lost ...
SINGLE units and single tanks - both for the Germans and for us

[Stanislav0009]

Why someone else's technology? Why do you think that they train tankers who used to drive Russian tanks.
Most likely from scratch. You definitely don't need to retrain. Need to learn.

[Lumberjack_2]

Yes, it’s clear there that the Poles will govern ... they just created the illusion that the Ukrainians came and study. Taking into account the fact that for a destroyed or captured leopard they will give $ 80 thousand, the dillers themselves will start fighting among themselves, who will surrender first! Therefore, the Poles will sit

[Prisoner]

They want to live, they will get upset. Whoever survives will learn later, who doesn't - hohls are not sorry for the logs. The main thing is that Kyiv would pay them for the burned "leopards".

[Vladimir80]

1. the authors of the article are very worried about hoh.lov

poorly trained Ukrainian tankers are unlikely to be able to manage the equipment that is new to them

2. five weeks is more than enough for modern technology - almost everything is automated, and they won’t waste time on charters and drills

[your1970]

Quote: Vladimir80

1. the authors of the article are very worried about hoh.lov

poorly trained Ukrainian tankers are unlikely to be able to manage the equipment that is new to them

2. five weeks is more than enough for modern technology - almost everything is automated, and they won’t waste time on charters and drills

Yes?
That is, a year of service for a conscript is a wild overabundance and can it easily fit in 2 months?
And in military schools to reduce training to a year? Why, a month on a tank, six months for commander training, 2-3 months for military facilities and guards, and -alga !! Ready Lieutenant!!!
So according to you???

[dfk-80]

You have just described wartime preparations. They planned to send those mobilized with me to the LBS on the 10th day, they sent them on the 12th. After one shot. War + irresponsibility + capitalism = a terrible time.

[skeptic]

Quote: Vladimir80

2. five weeks is more than enough for modern technology - almost everything is automated, and they won’t waste time on charters and drills

How long did our tankers study to control Western equipment in WWII? And as for electronics, then Ukraine has its own nuggets. They will catch up with students - they will figure it out.

[I dare to_notice_]

And it’s better to immediately brew them there (in a tank ... as usual) and on the front!
Actually a couple of days...

[Daishi]

It doesn't matter who's driving there.
The question is how living technology will reach the front.
Apparently, until the tanks stand near Moscow, the General Staff will chew snot

[skeptic]

Quote from Daishi

It doesn't matter who's driving there.
The question is how living technology will reach the front.
Apparently, until the tanks stand near Moscow, the General Staff will chew snot

If only with a loaf and white flags, they would not come out to meet.

[Nastia makarova]

another idiot.............................................. ..

[Cobra]

5 weeks is enough for crew training. The driver, who previously worked on the T-72, will master driving in a few days. The preparation of the gunner and the commander takes more time. They have excellent exercise equipment made in Poland, which significantly reduce the training process. Another thing is combat coordination and interaction in a platoon / battalion, you won’t master it in 5 weeks, but here’s the catch - this drawback can be compensated for by the communication and combat visualization system, which is perfect in these tanks. In general, I think that the T-72 crew after 5 weeks of training will easily master this tank, the only thing you can count on is the lack of coherence in the interaction and actions in a large group.

[yho]

And if the group is already coordinated? If they already have combat experience?

[Uprun]

Five weeks is enough. Groups: fur. - water. - driving, minimum operation and maintenance at the level of checking and refueling fuels and lubricants and technical fluids, changing filters, etc., gunners, loaders, commander - a similar minimum course.
In the 1st year in September, they began to study the main tank - the T-72, while the main shaft of disciplines were civilian (termech, physics, higher mathematics, sopromat and other crap), no one canceled outfits and guards. In December, firing a regular projectile from the T-62, how. For a week at the training ground, from morning to night, we were trained to automatism, and after school we were from 16 to 18 years old (who and what time went to first grade). Nothing, fired.
So, there is enough time for both tactics and combat coordination. We didn't come to the resort. There will be tanks, there will be crews, they will have to fight like adults.

[your1970]

Quote from uprun

Five weeks is enough. Groups: fur. - water. - driving, minimum operation and maintenance at the level of checking and refueling fuels and lubricants and technical fluids, changing filters, etc., gunners, loaders, commander - a similar minimum course.
In the 1st year in September, they began to study the main tank - the T-72, while the main shaft of disciplines were civilian (termech, physics, higher mathematics, sopromat and other crap), no one canceled outfits and guards. In December, firing a regular projectile from the T-62, how. For a week at the training ground, from morning to night, we were trained to automatism, and after school we were from 16 to 18 years old (who and what time went to first grade). Nothing, fired.
So, there is enough time for both tactics and combat coordination. We didn't come to the resort. There will be tanks, there will be crews, they will have to fight like adults.

And the fools in the leadership of the Red Army believed during the Second World War that half a year was not enough for a tanker ...
Well, what can I take from them - they tried to save at least a little l / s ...

[Uprun]

There was training in the SA for 6 months, and "O" gunners and furs came to the troops. drivers, since the chores and the parade ground replaced all training. The question here is what and how to teach. The training school did not care about the training of a fighter after graduation - this is the problem of the troops. Nata instructors will be taught conscientiously, because they were brought up by a capitalist society, but how will heroes absorb knowledge? If the prospect of graves or survival looms before a fighter, he will catch everything on the fly, like anyone else in his place, there will be no instructors at the LBS, at stake: knowledge is life.

[solar]

Leopards were created as tanks for military service in the draft army (unlike the Abrams, for example).
Probably, if you train not from scratch, but with tankers who already have experience, then the period can be reduced.
Moreover, it is quite possible that the training began earlier than announced.
The technical staff may well be civilians from retirees, especially if they are away from the front line.

[Constantine N]

yes, everyone is already trained there, they are most likely already in Ukraine, they are just waiting for the convenient moment of a "sudden" appearance.

[rotmistr60]

Will Ukrainian tank crews be able to master new equipment in five weeks?

By cutting the training period in half, the Poles just want the Ukrainians to quickly get into tanks and move on. But to thoroughly master unfamiliar equipment and instruments, to learn how to shoot from new weapons, and simply to competently drive a tank unfamiliar to you is not so important. And the combat coordination of the crews will probably take place in battle? The Americans are more frank in this regard and say that it takes a year of study and training to master the Abrams.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

According to the program: "Take off, landing". Tankers in Pecs were trained for 6 months; this is for the kill...

[isv000]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

According to the program: "Take off, landing". Tankers in Pecs were trained for 6 months; this is for the kill...

Or a dog and three taxi drivers will speak Polish...

[Landwarrior]

That is, Poles will be driving (yes, there is a steering wheel). expected

[Ezekiel 25-17]

You can also put an Indian, but in order for him to feel: the weight, dimensions of the car, you need 6 months of intensive training.

[Landwarrior]

I'm talking about the fact that Lupy from Podsha will go to UA with the very crews that serve on them, therefore, the training of Ukrainian crews can be neglected

[runway-1]

the reduction of training time for Ukrainian tankers will be achieved through the intensification of training and the involvement of additional instructors. True, it is not very clear whether Ukrainian tankers will be able to master new equipment for themselves in five weeks.

If tankers are not trained, but retrained for new equipment, then there will be no particular problem with its development at the minimum sufficient level.

Also, one cannot exclude the version that tank crews can be equipped with mercenaries from Western countries who have been trained on the Leopard while serving in European armies.

This is more from the field of consoling and justifying explanations, and not from reality ...

[Petr_Koldunov]

And rightly so, Polonaise! Handsome! Nefig! All the same, burn in hell - so why spend money on the natives?
A glass of rice vodka, half an hour of prayer on the mat, a white hachimaki bandage on the forehead... and go, go, go!

[Incvizitor]

They don’t need to know much, get there and burn out.

[yuriy1863]

As Major Maciej Banashinsky, head of the training center for tank crews, noted, the reduction in the training time for Ukrainian tank crews will be achieved through the intensification of training and the involvement of additional instructors. True, it is not very clear whether Ukrainian tankers will be able to master a new technique for themselves in five weeks.

Most likely, experienced tankers were sent to study first. This is logical: you can not teach from the primer. Everything will be shown by the first clashes involving these crews. The main thing is that as few tanks and these experienced crews as possible reach the front and be disposed of even before they arrive at the line of contact. Military good luck to our guys! Let them please our grandfathers and great-grandfathers with victories over the German "menagerie"!

[Fitter65]

The Polish authorities have decided to reduce the training of tank crews of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Leopard 2 tanks from 10 to 5 weeks.

We read the memoirs of Soviet tankers, They master the tank for a month at the factory, study for 3 months in the rear, then train for another month in the second echelon ... And then the Banderites were put in an armored coffin for 5 months ... even their former owners, their tankers, on the ancestor Leopard-Tiger, and then they trained for at least 3 months ...

[Andron78]

Everything is correct. A mechanic driver must not only skillfully drive a tank, but also be able to maintain it, perform minor repairs if necessary, a gunner must be able to hit designated targets preferably from the first shot, a commander must be able to monitor the battlefield, manage the crew and interact within the unit and with support. I understand as a netanker. And all this must be done in any conditions, without haste and fuss, but quickly, and in a state of enormous mental stress and under fire from an enemy who does not shoot at you from a slingshot. Meter left-right - undermining, arrival; delayed aiming, missed - arrival; did not see the enemy, made a mistake in assessing the situation - arrival; lost connection, interaction - left alone, well, if not arrival. Remember our tank biathlon. Not everything goes smoothly for crews that have been training for a single month. Maybe non-brothers and outstanding students, maybe they have good teachers, but more than 50 percent of success in battle with comparable characteristics of equipment will depend on the training of the crew, which confidently knows the capabilities of its combat vehicle, whose actions are brought to automaticity, and psychological preparation allows you to maintain composure . The first two conditions to fulfill in a month are not realistic. But to operate from ambushes, to shoot along a hinged trajectory without making contact with the enemy, they will be fully taught this.
By the way, it is likely that these crews will also operate in the second echelon, covering the offensive of units on Soviet vehicles. Just like that, they will most likely not be thrown into the attack in order to test their resistance to our anti-tank weapons.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Why teach corpses? The main thing is to be able to get into the tank, bring it in and deliver it to the disposal site.

[opposite28]

There was not even a shadow of a doubt that the Polish national idea would justify itself... someday...

[dfk-80]

The version of three Poles and a Ukrainian dog played with new colors. I really hope that this time the story will present a farce or a comedy. I don’t know how on the offensive, but on the defensive, the leopard can be very dangerous: strong frontal armor, the birds will not reach or cover the smoke. If they are still equipped with active Trophy protection, all rockets / grenades may become useless.
And most importantly, all attention to tanks, but in the supply of self-propelled guns and artillery many times more.

[former soldier]

The Polish authorities have decided to reduce the training of tank crews of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Leopard 2 tanks from 10 to 5 weeks.

We need to keep an eye on the rest of the training centers. Maybe they're in a hurry. For impacts with large masses of BT, there are two directions. Luhansk region along the border for the purpose of cutting off. Zaporozhye region to the south to Azov. IMHO.

[Guran33 Sergey]

And why don't you notice such a tasty prize - the mother territory of the Russian Federation in the Kharkov direction - This is what kind of political effect will cause, for example, a picture of a leopard near the Russian road sign "the end of the settlement of such and such" and a banner - "to (Bryansk, Belgorod, Orel - underline the necessary ) so many kilometers "!

[Noah Lamech]

There will be three instructors per crew, each will work 8 hours with the crew. And the crews do not climb out of the tank around the clock.

[Guran33 Sergey]

Poland is recruiting leopard tankers and specialists in general, and twice as many soldiers were fired from the Polish army than usual .. so you don’t need to learn much ukrovoyak - 5-6 thousand former Polish military personnel will completely replace them

[Fangaro]

Again, news that does not have an author, but there is a link to foreign photographic materials. (

Personal ...
So that learning to use Leopards, Challengers and Abrams would be difficult for you, so that you don’t pass the exams, and so that you don’t see a single such tank up close!

[AlexWar]

Apparently, the hatches will be welded again and thrown into battle like a kamikaze
Yesterday I read about the mob reserve that Russia has mobilized only 1% so far.
Zelensky wants to destroy the entire nation?

[AlexWar]

With so many tanks that they will be given this suicide. In order to resist Russia, they had to transfer up to 1000 tanks, but no one except America will transfer such a number
Having been blown up by mines, these tanks will be abandoned, I think so
In addition to driving, tanks need to be repaired, pulled out of the battle