The work of the mortar 2B9 "Vasilek" in a mobile version is shown

Russian artillery throughout the entire period of the special operation is the main means of defeating the enemy. In this regard, Western strategists in charge of the Armed Forces of Ukraine attach particular importance to equipping the Ukrainian army with counter-battery weapons.

In particular, the supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with AN / TPQ-36 radars has been put on stream. In its latest modification, these radars are capable of detecting firing positions located in the frontline zone. Thus, the location of howitzers is determined at a depth of up to 15 km, MLRS - up to 24 km, mortars - up to 18 km. An important role in the detection of artillery is also played by enemy Drones.

The risk of being hit by enemy return fire forces gunners to look for ways to quickly change position, especially if they are working on targets from the front line. In the 110th brigade of the Donetsk Corps, the mobility of the 2B9 "Vasilek" crew was increased by installing a gun on the platform of a truck.

As they approach the firing position, the gunners prepare the 82-mm mortar for firing, uncovering and bringing the gun into combat position, installing sighting equipment and taking out cartridges with ammunition.

We work as quickly as possible, because they are hunting for us

- explains the calculation, consisting of only two people, not counting the driver.

The mortar successfully worked on targets previously identified by drones in the Nevelskoye area (west of Pesok), after which it left the position, avoiding, thanks to its mobility, the enemy’s ability to strike back.

Comments

[cold wind]

They also install 120 mm mortars. While the military-industrial complex is not clear what it is designing, real needs have to be covered by artisanal methods.

[Eugene 62]

Something I have big doubts that a 120mm mortar can fire from a car body. It is necessary to strengthen the frame and springs, and maybe the wheels. It's still not a tool. In a mortar, the recoil from the shot is taken over by the plate. During the firing, our firing position was in the forest. So after the first shot, the slab burrowed into the ground so that it cut the roots of centuries-old pines. No truck will survive. True, it was back in the days of the USSR. Maybe since then some design has been invented to be placed in the body in order to dampen the recoil.

[cold wind]

You have doubts, but normal men take it and do it.

[Bogalex]

And they crumble everything in the target area, except for the target.
Seen, we know.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Your knowledge and integrity, but for the good! Despite the literacy and relevance of most of your comments, in general, you do more harm than good. But, I can be wrong. Pros here on your comments from me.

[Bogalex]

My knowledge, skills and abilities, adherence to principles and other features are used in the area under discussion for their intended purpose. Whether this is beneficial is not for me to judge. I dare to hope that it does.
If, however, you personally see harm in my activities for the most part, then, although such an assessment surprises me, I will not condemn it or argue on this score - everyone has the right to a personal opinion.

[Egeny]

Bad guys, that's for sure. Well done. Mortar in the body ... and then they started to trend about the frame, wheels, but how is it possible ... But you can, if there is no other way.

[Bogalex]

It can't, no doubt about it. More precisely, it can shoot, and even, perhaps, more than once. But to hit the target - no.
The load on the base plate of a 120-mm mortar when fired is more than 40 tons, if anything.
How such "craftsmen" expect to survive to victory - I do not know.

[cold wind]

If the native military-industrial complex and the Moscow Region do not provide the necessary weapons, but cut budgets on meaningless projects, you have to at least somehow get rid of it. It is clear that there is no accuracy, only there is no other.
Here Azerbaijan has soldiers and there they fight comfortably and joyfully. Their MO took care of them and the victory.

[stankow]

40 tons at full charge. With a reduced one, it should be much less. And yet - destroy the car. The mortar was born to shoot from the ground.

[APASUS]

Quote: Eugen 62

During the firing, our firing position was in the forest. So after the first shot, the stove burrowed into the ground so that it cut the roots of centuries-old pines.

For mobility, we welded a cup on an armored personnel carrier and tried to shoot. So the recoil broke through the armor

[Old_wars]

Shoot then he can, a matter of accuracy and survival of the frame. Such handicraft decisions are not applied from a good life. We have a lot of developments and other things, but they are not and will not be on the battlefield. Therefore, we will fight like this until the Soviet one ends.

Here in the comments a lot of things have been written, but that would really help a little. The solution for the mobility of existing mortars while maintaining all the characteristics is quite simple. It is necessary to install a hydraulic rear lift on the truck and mount a mortar to it. The solution is extremely cheap and simple.

[Muromczev-2015]

And what does it mean "while the military-industrial complex is not clear what they are designing"? The military-industrial complex designs what is needed. In this case, such a "closing the need in a makeshift way" has its advantages, but it also has big disadvantages. The vehicle is designed to tow a mortar, and if the mortar itself is hit, the vehicle can remain intact and be used to transport the crew. And in this version - when a mortar is hit, both the crew and the car are affected ...

[air wolf]

When will the carpet bombing of the front line of the Bandera scum begin?

[topol717]

as soon as the air defense is suppressed, but our Air Force does not do this. they like to let NURSs roll up.

[Romanenko]

Back in Afghanistan, they began to put cornflower in the back, because it makes it even better. But why so far it has not been adapted to MTLB or BMP is completely incomprehensible, because a good couple will turn out, and if you put it in a tower, even if it is of a half-open type.
There is ZUShka (ZU-23) riding an MTLB and BTRD - a picture familiar to the eye, it's time to "marry" a guy with a larger caliber.

[cold wind]

Adapted ... True in Kazakhstan ...

[Romanenko]

It's kind of like 120 mm, but since this one fits, then Vasya will fit

[Nikolaevich I]

In the USSR, a self-propelled 120-mm mortar "Tundzha" was developed! True, he received this name in Bulgaria; in connection with the development of "Nona", the mortar complex was not accepted into service with the SA and the production documentation was transferred to Bulgaria! There he was in service and supplied to other armies of the Warsaw bloc!

[decimalegio]

Thanks for the info, never noticed this version of MT-LB. Can you tell me which mortar is installed ????

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Romanenko

why so far it has not been adapted to MTLB or BMP is completely incomprehensible

And why are you sure that you did not adapt? In the NM LNR / DNR, if memory serves, "Cornflowers" were put in the back of trucks or on the "roof" of MT-LB since 2014!

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

They set it, how they set it. However, there are problems. These were low-intensity conflicts in the absence of effective counteraction from the enemy, in particular in the form of Himars missile attacks on weapons depots. How many mines and equipped cassettes can fit in the cramped hull of a tracked armored personnel carrier? And how justified is such a heavy chassis for not the most long-range and lethal weapons?
It is simply inconvenient to work with cassettes from the roof of an armored personnel carrier, and with "Vasilok", in the same Afghanistan, there was often a Ural with ammunition.
So these excesses, and similar solutions, either you put a voracious mortar on a chassis capable of carrying a significant ammunition load at the same time, or you shouldn’t even bother.

[Krivobokoff]

It's funny. Ural weighing 8 tons is a suitable chassis, and a 9.7 motor league is too heavy

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

How many mines and equipped cassettes can fit in the cramped hull of a tracked armored personnel carrier?

You are confusing cause and effect! What for to drag behind "Cornflower" "Kamaz" with mines? Now the tactics are as follows: fired the "series" and ... tick! And in order to do this successfully and quickly, you need a "self-propelled" chassis (!) ... and preferably passable when there is "mud in the yard"!

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

And you confuse 2B9 with conventional mortars. Why do you need "Cornflower" if you are going to release a series and tick? It is possible in such cases to get by with an ordinary 82-mm mortar, where the rate of fire is up to 15-22 rounds per minute. Or even use a 120mm mortar. It has a rate of fire of up to 10 rounds per minute and a range of up to 7100 meters.

[Adrian28]

Sweden, America, South Africa, Spain, Italy.

[james]

And we have

[stankow]

Bulgaria, Syria, Poland, Afghanistan. In Russia, Nona takes his place.

[Michael]

You need a 120mm mortar on a tracked chassis, you can even without corrected ammunition, just saturate a kilometer of the front with fifty vehicles. Five minutes of rapid fire, legs in hand and run until it flies back.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

No need for a 120mm tracked mortar. On the tracked chassis there are 152 and 203 mm howitzers, including cluster munitions, far superior to short-range mortars. And on the tracked chassis there are heavy flamethrower systems. The choice, I think, is obviously not in favor of the mortar. On a tracked chassis, even the self-propelled guns "Khosta" and "Vienna" were abandoned, only the "Lotos" was set aside for the Airborne Forces.

[cold wind]

Well, yes, well, yes, they are unnecessary, all the leading armies have them, but we don’t need them ... Then we have to build ersatz self-propelled mortars on our knees. Lotus and other rubbish is a separate cutting topic, how to remove a rub from a 3 penny weapon.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I would like to ask, which of some modern armies faced such large-scale hostilities? Who has a 120-mm and especially an 82-mm mortar mounted on a tracked chassis?

[cold wind]

Who bets? Seriously? Don't know and talk about it? All NATO, Israel, both Koreas, India, dozens and dozens of other countries of the world Those who are really preparing to fight, and not to flaunt in parades.

P.S. naturally, Ukraine also has them. They've been putting it on for about half a year now. And we have fantasy projects and real products a la Syria.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

"Dreams, dreams where is your sweetness,
dreams are gone, disgusting remains .. "
This conflict is of incredible intensity and its development is unpredictable.
What kind of economy can withstand the installation of weak weapons on an expensive chassis?
These are all non-belligerent countries that never dreamed of confrontation with all of Europe and the United States.

[cold wind]

MT-LB, BMP-1, M113 expensive chassis? well you are a joker

[hrych]

Will this suit a mortar?

Did you forget about Nonna or did you not know? Have you seen this one?

And such a mortar
Defeated allusions to our army, cited military amateurs as an example to us? Manually shove a mine from the muzzle and you think they are cool
Here's a promising one for you. Few?

[cold wind]

Nons praise both sides, only they have the Airborne Forces, the army has nothing of the kind. There is no new production. Naturally, they are much more expensive and longer in the production of 120 mortars installed in MTLB / BMP-1, which can really saturate the army without any problems.
Projections from the military-industrial complex are of little interest, cut on cut. They are paid for the design and not the production of a series of weapons.

[hrych]

And the airborne type is no longer an army? And is it a problem to transfer to another branch of the military? By the way, Cornflower is towed, has wheels and can cling to a truck, SUV, ATV and even a passenger car. Yes, even to the same armored personnel carrier. It is not necessary to carry it in the back. Excellent automatic mortar. Already from the muzzle, like the "supergrands" does not charge.

And this is our "charm"

[alexoff]

The military-industrial complex offers a large choice, it’s just that the ground forces are not a priority, artillery in other branches of the military too, purchases are made in homeopathic quantities for what is left. Welding a mortar into a MTLB is not serious, in our army we have not been doing such nonsense en masse for 80 years already. It is necessary to conduct tests, draw tables, add all sorts of calculators, it’s already difficult, Comrade General’s head starts to hurt!

[cold wind]

The main reason is the low rollback capacity of the project. To take a ready-made chassis, digest the cargo compartment, strengthen the chassis, weld a ready-made mortar - a locksmith's workshop can handle it, no R&D for you, no R&D. It will not look at parades, new stars do not shine either.

No one is embarrassed that the army with the largest budget in the world puts mortars on Humvees, Strikers and M113s simply by placing them in the back. They have mortars in every company, in every battalion separately in the brigade, except for three artillery batteries.

[Andriuha077]

mortar 120mm on tracked chassis

In the period from 1972 to 1975, Department No. 25 of the Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering under the leadership of A.G. Novozhilov conducted research with the code “Shot gun”, the 120-mm caliber version with the ballistics of the French RT-61 mortar was recognized as optimal. In 1974, a prototype ACS 2S2 was demonstrated to the commander of the Airborne Forces V.F. Margelov, after which it was decided to start work. The studies obtained formed the basis of the R&D under the name "Nona-S" (GRAU index - 2C9).
In addition to standard projectiles, SAO 2S9 can use all types of mines for smoothbore and rifled mortars, including lighting, smoke and incendiary. When using the APCM active-rocket projectile for the French RT-61 rifled mortar, the firing range of the SAO 2S9 can be increased to 17 km.
Number issued, pcs. Xnumx
2S9-1M is equipped with an automated guidance and fire control system, a satellite navigation system.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

If you were attentive to my text, you might have noticed that it was for the Airborne Forces that they made an exception in the form of a light tracked chassis for a 120-mm mortar-gun in the form of "Nona". For motorized riflemen, having a mortar on an expensive tracked chassis was considered unnecessary.

[Andriuha077]

Airborne made an exception

Everything is true, but half a century has passed, and besides, just this summer, progress in application was accentuated.
For example
https://topwar.ru/201636-reforma-vdv-v-svete-opyta-boev-na-ukraine-i-predshestvujuschih-vojn.html

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Too voluminous article. And where is there about 120-mm mortars? I find the Nona concept itself quite successful for the Airborne Forces, as well as its development in the Lotus project. Moreover, I consider it necessary to transfer the Phlox SAO to motorized rifle battalions, this development is so relevant, which allows transporting a large ammunition load.

[topol717]

82 mm mortar, you can even push it into an UAZ.
there the weight is only 700 kg, plus a few min.
a couple of hydraulic jacks with supports and forward, a shahid mobile, but instead of a machine gun, an automatic grenade launcher.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

An 82-mm mortar was stuffed into the Drok project. It is a pity that "Drok", "Phlox" and "Malva" did not have time for this conflict. Very thoughtful machines, although the manufacture and appearance of the Phlox has already been announced, we are waiting for the results of their use in combat conditions.

[stankow]

Weight 70 kg, apparently a technical error, only zero.

[Michael]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

If you were attentive to my text, you might have noticed that it was for the Airborne Forces that they made an exception in the form of a light tracked chassis for a 120-mm mortar-gun in the form of "Nona". For motorized riflemen, having a mortar on an expensive tracked chassis was considered unnecessary.

And I didn’t write about the mortar and the chassis at all, I myself can “screw” the mortar onto the vehicle in the collective farm workshop. About saturation my comment.

[Adrian28]

Need a 120mm mortar on a tracked chassis

[ailcat]

It's called NONA.
But the transportable ammunition, alas, is incomparable with what can be stuffed into the back of the Urals

[ivan1979nkl]

The handsome guys certainly do a great job, but they are absolutely not protected, but actually work on the front end. The only defense is agility

[stankow]

Judging by the minimum (for MM) elevation angle and full charge, they are 6-7 km from the front line ... And giving interviews after completing a fire mission is so-so agility.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

? The "Vasilok" has a range of 4200 m. How can they be 6-7 km from the front line during firing?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

"Vasilek" must be placed on the chassis of the 120-mm Phlox mortar project.

Then there will be an emphasis on the ground for accuracy and saving the running gear, racks for storing mines and cartridges, a large portable ammunition load, protection of the calculation, ease of operation of the calculation, and the possibility of automating guidance.
Work from the body of Kamaz has disadvantages in the form of a decrease in accuracy due to the fragility of the chassis, dampening of charges during the transportation of finished cassettes and other minor inconveniences.
And also "Cornflower" is desirable modernization to increase the range of fire on the Chinese model and a cumulative fragmentation mine for work on field fortifications and armored vehicles.

[topol717]

I agree with you, but KAMAZ is too big. We need a TIGR-M type car and a mortar in the back, and always with hydraulic stops. With modern intelligence, they won’t let you shoot a lot, 2-3 cassettes and bring down. Well, the range needs to be 7-8 km.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Well, what is the "Tiger" for "Cornflower"? What are you, really! The value of "Cornflower" is the ability to release 20 cassettes of four mines in a couple of minutes. No "Tiger" will take away so much. In addition, it is necessary to realize the ability of 2B9 to shoot with direct fire as well.
On the basis of the "Tiger" there is a project "Highlander" with a 120-mm mortar and an emphasis on the ground.

[Andron78]

I remember there were several developments of mobile mortar systems, apparently they never went into production. Sadly. Apparently the concept of using this weapon did not fit into the vision of some of the armed forces. It would be nice now to raise these papers and see who and how justified such decisions. Well, the release was already at least six months ago, at least in small batches, but it was necessary to establish.

[Kapany3]

Quote from: topol717

I agree with you, but KAMAZ is too big. We need a TIGR-M type car and a mortar in the back, and always with hydraulic stops. With modern intelligence, they won’t let you shoot a lot, 2-3 cassettes and bring down. Well, the range needs to be 7-8 km.

We had cornflowers paired with shishiga, and I think. 66 is the best option for installing a mortar on it. Just think about hydraulic seals. IMHO.

[Eugene 62]

Quote from cold wind

You have doubts, but normal men take it and do it.

Clear. there are sandbags at the bottom of the body. In one frame, you can even see that the bag has torn and sand is pouring into the body. Judging by the fact that three beams are hung on a mine at once, the shooting goes on a long distance.

[Radical]

Quote from: topol717

as soon as the air defense is suppressed, but our Air Force does not do this. they like to let NURSs roll up.

...and "dig up" the fields. Whatever the video or photo of some field, we see a huge area of ​​​​land completely pecked with craters, and without any signs of the location of broken, destroyed enemy equipment, or engineering-equipped defensive structures / positions.

[Krivobokoff]

I have a dream to make a combat module with two cornflowers for a motorcycle league. The rate of fire will be like that of a machine gun .... 82 mm machine gun

[AlOrg]

It is also possible to make a launcher for lancets on the basis of a cargo gazelle and cruise along the front line, working out for identified targets

[single-n]

And you say "Armata". Here they cannot build what is in the armies of a dozen countries. Although, of course, they probably did a couple of things for the parade, but why do soldiers need such expensive weapons. They'll still break. Here are the peasants collective farms from the threshing floor and sticks. A pair of regiments of normal mobile mortars with a pair of radars and a dozen UAVs for SVO is much more useful than all these Rogozinsky killer robots and other unparalleled bullshit in the world ..
But how happily they neighed from the APU-shnyh shahid-mobiles and shushpanzers. They vied with each other and competed in wit on the topic: "poor diggers of the sea and salo-eaters. They can't do elementary things. They only fight on carts"
You can start joking over this squalor of the military-industrial complex.