Fighters attached a drone to a fishing rod to protect against interception

Active use by both sides of the conflict in Ukraine drones changes the rules of warfare and forces to make amendments to military affairs on the go. So, it is already difficult to imagine effective work of artillery against advancing enemy battle formations or enemy defensive positions without intelligence from UAVs.

Accordingly, there was a need to neutralize drones. Both the RF Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are building up their arsenals of electronic warfare equipment against UAVs, in particular through the supply of anti-drone guns. Increasing cases of drone hijacking are making us think about a way to counter the effects of electronic warfare systems.

The initiative in resolving this problem again comes from the fighters from the front line, as is the case with the handicraft equipment of reconnaissance UAVs with shock weapons (grenades, VOGs, mines).

So, a video has been published on the network, which shows a drone attached to a fishing rod with a fishing line. This trick allows you to physically control the movement of the UAV, preventing it from flying to enemy positions in the event that the enemy intercepts control over the "bird".

This technique makes sense if the drone is equipped with a camera with a long range of view, since the limited length of the fishing line will not allow it to go far from the front line.

Comments

[Adrian28]

With a second loosening of the fishing line, it will wind around the propeller.

[cold wind]

Hmm ... The electronic warfare system that we deserve ...

[Orange Bigg]

Quote from cold wind

Hmm ... The electronic warfare system that we deserve ...

What's more. Sun: The nuclear reactor of the British submarine Vanguard was repaired with bolts and glue.

.MOSCOW, January 31 - RIA Novosti. In the UK, an investigation will be held after bolts fixed with glue were found on the vessel of a nuclear reactor during an inspection of a Trident submarine, The Sun newspaper writes.
The flaws in the repair of the cooling pipes were revealed when one of these parts fell out during technical checks aboard the Vanguard submarine.

“The glued bolts, there were at least seven of them, held the insulation in the coolant pipes necessary to prevent an accident with a meltdown of the nuclear reactor core like the Chernobyl (catastrophe),” the journalists said.

https://ria.ru/20230131/podlodka-1848700045.html

[Andrey NM]

Quote from Orange Bigg

What's more. Sun: The nuclear reactor of the British submarine Vanguard was repaired with bolts and glue.

They just didn't have blue duct tape...

[Aag]

Quote: Andrew NM

Quote from Orange Bigg

What's more. Sun: The nuclear reactor of the British submarine Vanguard was repaired with bolts and glue.

They just didn't have blue duct tape...

As a joke, IMHO: Quite!
As the level of technical literacy of performance, it leads to depressing thoughts.
Have you ever seen bolts from different manufacturers? Even at the level of the consumer goods car industry? (No, I don’t boast at all!). Toyota, - Honda, - Rovers ((this, IMHO, in ascending order. And we buy self-tapping screws in China! ... - Matvienko, ....., woke up).
So, about the bolts ... About those that we hammered those same bolts on ... I understand that nanometers, matrices, IT technologies are relevant now (by the way, is this not discrimination based on professional grounds? Well, on the basis of age, - we have already got used to - such as loans up to a certain age, etc. ....).
So why is the bolt from the islands so remarkable (Japanese, or British, I note, not abundant in minerals)?
He's damn solid! Less prone to corrosion (if it works in an appropriate place that does not create a galvanized pair). This is for material scientists ... Even the Germans, IMHO, are lagging behind in this regard ... But they indicate the tightening torque on the bolt head.
Yapi, in addition to a high-quality, wear-resistant bolt head, offers slots for a screwdriver, a head according to size.
A trifle, but nice. Sometimes it's critical...
And, - perhaps the most important thing - the working part - the thread, the profile of the body.
If you twist in warmth, in the light, fresh details - well, like a designer in childhood - then, perhaps, you won’t really notice the difference. Nah, - notice (!), - if you need more than one, two, - twenty, two hundred connections!
And this is in greenhouse conditions.
And now about the bolts working (like standing sleeping))) under the bottom of the car, in aggressive environments, in conditions of alternating temperatures, efforts, and other nasty things. As an example, - fastening bushings of anti-roll bars to the body, suspension beams - do not move for years, if replacement is necessary, they break more often, drill out, ... - in short, - problematic ...
Toyota, in most cases, is limited to a lead-in, centering narrowing of the bolt body.
Honda often adds a beveled longitudinal cut, as on a tap (sometimes it helps a lot when twisting, or, "swinging" - back and forth of the thread).
The Angles, in this regard, are out of competition (from what I have seen), - except for the above, the body of the bolt, - the threaded part, - the spiral.
That is, - if you look at the drawing of our GOST bolt, we will see a cylinder, and here we will see the Archimedes spiral (the step is approximately equal to three diameters).
Difficult to perform? Perhaps.
But, not a single bolt was broken during the work!))).
To be fair, there were not many English women.
Why opus?
About the blue electrical tape!)))
Of course, it’s good when there is an opportunity to repair in the field, with small calculations of forces and means, operating crews ...
But!!! The culture of production is what it is!)))

[Kurganets-45]

I agree about the bolts, on my Japanese the original bolts are of high quality (2004 car), but you can buy an analogue (not made in Russia, by the way), they either spoil the thread, or stretch out, or break off. The fact that the Japanese = the quality of this cannot be taken away from them.

[Andrey NM]

Quote: AAG

Have you ever seen bolts from different manufacturers? Even at the level of the consumer goods car industry?

I have often seen bolts in the reactor compartment. And in combat service, in general, 2 times a day at least, because. you can’t get past the reactor into the aft compartments. The watch in this compartment is not carried, the watch compartment performs periodic inspection. The bolts are all clean and shiny. I won’t say what specific steel grade, I’m not a mechanic, and to be honest, I didn’t even think about it, but no one asked at the test. The pipelines are made of stainless steel, they shine, although you can look. Everything is clean, like a surgeon in an operating room.
I do not know the device of the English reactor, but I think that it is not fundamentally different from ours. Insulation (most likely thermal) does not carry any strong mechanical loads, and therefore was kept even on glue. Another question is, on what contour were these "shells"? There, after all, the temperatures are decent, over 300 degrees, and even the pressure is from 150 to 200 atmospheres. How they have pipelines of all circuits, who knows? Well, thank God that these bolts are not on the covers, it would not seem enough.

[igorbrsv]

. But, not a single bolt was broken during the work!))).

The slots, even on strong 12,3 bolts, were constantly knocked down. And great keys.
I like German bolts. Artless.
And so we have a bolt with a diameter of 16 with a left-hand thread, they managed to unscrew it to the left side. The bolt is intact. Then they also put him on a fixator.
The power is there - no need

[Dost]

Electrical tape is our prerogative, and they have tape

[krot]

If this scheme works, drones can be powered from the ground through a wire and it will hang in the air forever.

[Andy_nsk]

If this scheme works, drones can be powered from the ground through a wire and it will hang in the air forever.

in fact, such quadcopters already exist and were even discussed on this forum, in addition to power supply via cable, you can also drive information via coaxial or twisted pair. A very sound idea, I don’t understand why such quadcopters are not made in large batches. The simplest product and very effective. Those who are worried about the operator that they will supposedly find him, I hasten to reassure: the operator can be at a great distance, it is enough not to regret a few tens or hundreds of meters of cable. In addition to the fact that such a UAV can "forever" hang in the air, it is also absolutely not affected by electronic warfare equipment and it will be extremely difficult to detect it due to the lack of a radio signal. and since it does not require a battery, it will still be both small and cheap, the most expensive thing on it will be optics.

[Adrey]

Quote from Andy_nsk

in fact, such quadrocopters already exist and were even discussed on this forum,

The cable has weight. The more information you pass on it, and most importantly nutrition, the more it weighs. And the copter carries it all. Hence the increasing size, power and range limitation

[vkfriendly]

That is, according to your drone, a very thick cable is required that the drone cannot withstand? Isn't it funny yourself? The drone needs 3 - 5 volts for the motors and one and a half for the electronics, coupled with the camera, and how thick do you think the cable is needed for this? All this can be transmitted through a wire with a diameter of headphones for the phone.

[KyzymsIzymovich]

Hmm. Electricity is not yours. It looks like you have never come across it, and school electrical engineering, apparently, is hopelessly lost.

[Andy_nsk]

The cable has weight.

Cables are different, in this case a large section is not needed to transmit the required power and at an acceptable current (approximately taken at the rate of 15A / sq. mm), it is almost always possible to use a voltage increase to 100..200 V DC. For example, we take a cable cross section of 0,2 square meters. mm, allowable current 3 A, voltage 200 V, maximum transmitted power 600 W (which with a large margin, this is already a BIG UAV, most likely 60 W will be enough, so the current will be only 300 mA). The required voltage from 200 V can be obtained on the UAV using a converter, for an electronics engineer it is like sending two bytes

[single-n]

Such weight can be used ONLY in an open field. For unraveling the wire that catches on the branch will not be very easy :))
But as an analogue of a periscope on a very long rod, why not?

[Andy_nsk]

Everything is much simpler: a cable reel with automatic winding and a collector are installed, so that the cable will always be directed vertically upwards and only in this particular place there should not be a tree. The barbell is a very bulky product with a long length.

[Tor Vic]

optical fiber, 300 meters is enough to power

[Andrey NM]

Quote: krot

If this scheme works, drones can be powered from the ground through a wire and it will hang in the air forever.

We take a balloon, and it is no longer necessary to power the engines for the propellers. And much cheaper. :)

[Aviator_]

What's more. Sun: The nuclear reactor of the British submarine Vanguard was repaired with bolts and glue.

A screw driven in with a hammer holds better than a nail driven in with a screwdriver.

[topol717]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Trident on the vessel of a nuclear reactor, bolts fixed with glue were found, The Sun newspaper writes.

It's normal, Made in the UK is usually all of this quality, the cars just prove it.

[ivan1979nkl]

the fishing line is quite heavy, if the copter flies far, it will hang down

[topol717]

Quote from ivan1979nkl

the fishing line is quite heavy, if the copter flies far, it will hang down

Yeah, a reel of le5sky weighs as much as 100 grams, and of course a mine is much less, right?

[Dost]

Depends on diameter. And there are coils for tuna or shark up to 500m Choose a balance between the diameter and the effort with which the copter pulls. The fact is that they will do the same from the other side.

[Andreichik]

The air from the screws moves down and repels the line

[Svetlana]

It's in theory. But any theory is tested by practice, which sometimes forces us to reconsider it. In short, the men there, you know better.

With a second loosening of the fishing line, it will wind around the propeller.

[bath]

But your enemies will send projectiles based on fishing lines at you.

[Last centurion]

The main thing is not to launch near thunderclouds :)

[Dobrenko]

And will they see a lot from 300-400 meters, provided they have a carp meat grinder?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Dobrenko

And will they see a lot from 300-400 meters, provided they have a carp meat grinder?

You need more fishing line, you can tie several coils together.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You don't need to link anything. There are large-capacity fishing reels, which fit 0,5-1 km of thin and strong fishing line.

[Leshak]

Quote: Dobrenko

And will they see a lot from 300-400 meters, provided they have a carp meat grinder?

It is written - this technique makes sense if the drone is equipped with a camera with a long viewing range. The whole point here is to get up and look around and not lose the quadcopter. There, on the front line, the fighters know better whether such know-how is needed or not.

[Dobrenko]

Of course, the peasants know better, but carry a stick + meat grinder with you, and even in a combat situation, wind up these 1,5-2 meters for 300-400 minutes ... well, that's it, IMHO.

[topol717]

Quote: Dobrenko

and even in a combat situation, wind up these 1,5-2 meters for 300-400 minutes.

Yes, at least 10 minutes. and it's better than, firstly, losing a single eye, and secondly, this eye allows you to see even from a height of 200 meters where they are shooting at you, and where you need to give back.

[Dost]

Is it not fate to attach a screwdriver? So they wind up faster.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Dost

Is it not fate to attach a screwdriver? So they wind up faster.

It's funny, but no. There is sometimes a problem to charge a walkie-talkie ... So the best screwdriver is one that works from a manual drive!

[Dost]

This is no longer a screwdriver, but a drill. But I heard that it is not a very big problem to charge the walkie-talkie. Every small division has generators.

[BARKAS]

Cool fun can be useful for engineers to have an idea of ​​how many such inventions have been in history.

[PVV66]

The Russian soldier has always been famous for his ingenuity! )))

[digger]

Well, there are torpedoes on wire control as well here.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Digger

Well, there are torpedoes on wire control as well here.

There is also an anti-tank system with wire control: Konkurs, Fagot, Metis.

[K-36]

SW. Lt. Air Force reserve. I confirm about the competition and Fagot. At one time, he himself cut off pieces of these twin wires from a landfill in Seltsy (summer camps of the Ryazan Airborne School). There were many tens of kilometers of these wires. The thickness of each of the paired wires, according to my visual estimates, is about 0.2 mm. placing this glued 1 km is pretty easy. Solder wires: 0.4 pair - for powering engines and equipment; 0.7 pair - to control the movement of the quadric; 1 pair - for the transmission of video or thermal imager by wire (ie without going on the air).
Raise the quadric to a height from which it cannot be seen or heard. And watch the picture in 7/24 mode. At the same time, without fear of any radio countermeasures (or counter-battery arrival), because there is complete silence on the air. How's the idea?
From SW.

[Poplar]

The idea is good overall. It's all about the appropriate optics. But too high is also not very good: low clouds, precipitation, etc. In my opinion, such a system is more suitable for solving tactical tasks within a radius of 2-3 km.

[common man]

Quote: K-36

1 pair - for powering engines and equipment;

In order to power the quadric through a thin wire, high voltage must be applied. What would be a small current strength. Therefore, either high-voltage motors or voltage converters are needed. In short, a quadric of special construction.

[Nikolaevich I]

Alas! Handicraft is handicraft! Last resort! The concept of UAVs (drones) controlled by FOCL has long been known! Within the framework of a similar concept, missiles belonging to different types were also developed in the "West"! Calculations within the framework of the concept confirmed that FOCL control is possible up to 60 km, at least! That is, this is enough for use in tactical drones for various purposes: reconnaissance, strike, reconnaissance and strike, target designation, artillery corrections!

[Nikolaevich I]

PS There is an interesting "cinema"! Out of stock , is not excluded ! , a considerable number of "Baby" ATGMs can still be stored! Each "Baby" is wound with 3200 m of 3-wire microcable! Through this cable, not only control (guidance) commands were transmitted to the rocket, but also the power supply of the "electronics" of the rocket! I think a 3km micro cable is enough for some tactical drones!

[malyvalv]

These wires from Malyutka are just super. They are also shielded. A quadric with a wire from Malyutka should be on each armored vehicle.

[bath]

The drone does not need a fishing line, it will return automatically.

If an enemy creates electromagnetic interference, it will make it fall straight down and you won't be able to reach it with fishing line.

A very long line will increase the load on the drone and catch on something.

[Evgenijus]

A very long line will increase the load on the drone and catch on something.

For example, for a cloud or a flock of geese...
To a greater extent, the problem will be due to the windage of the fishing line. The side wind will load the copter's blades, which react to the lateral pressure of the "sail" with position correction signals. Maintaining the aircraft at a trajectory or shooting point will drain the battery. And maneuvers to correct the position of the copter will distort the shooting angle. In weather with no wind, there are fewer problems. But there are situations when there is no wind near the ground, but at a height of 200 meters there is a strong wind.

[bath]

In the spring, if you go out into nature to play Kite, you'll realize how bad an idea it is when you string one string. Quadcopter drones rely on sensitive programming and algorithms, and it is impossible to use the drone effectively with such a line. Why don't you make a kite or a hydrogen balloon?

[svp67]

Well, now that side of the "spinning" will begin to apply ...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: svp67

Well, now that side of the "spinning" will begin to apply ...

And there, and before the competition in sports catching drones for spinning, one step.

[igorbrsv]

And they will peck at the batteries

[Luka Nord]

Well, immediately the men scoff then .. Well, Russian ingenuity in action!
Although I heard from specialists these civilian quadras are very dangerous for operators .. Arrivals on them are made via NATO satellites
There they need to be stitched and then it’s not that everything will turn out ..
Now, all over the country, supposedly, our SVO needs quadras and send the devil knows what in large quantities
And the enemy does not sleep! Be careful with those quads, check 'em out and better out of the trench
PS Civilian quadrocopter and military, two big differences !!!!!
Remember this guys

[bath]

Well, immediately the men scoff then .. Well, Russian ingenuity in action!

However, this behavior can reveal where you are hiding and also seriously affect the tactical movements of the drone. Now you just haven't violated the quadcopter drone flight control program, because the drone control algorithm has redundancy, and the drone itself has a nominal load. It will "pull out" your wires and work. But the price is that you don't want to load the bomb to bomb the enemy. You don't want to constantly track the enemy in difficult terrain.

[donavi49]

Arrivals on them are made by NATO satellites

What kind of satellites? Vectoring on the operator with the Mavik remote control is provided by RER tools. But only. And to find where he sits is already the main problem.

If we talk about "quads" - now FPV drones have shown high strike efficiency in the front zone. Minus - extremely small range. However, he flies into the dugout, flies into the unprotected part of the tank, flies into the troop compartment of the BMP. Two types of ammunition - PG7

And homemade high-explosive for cleaning dugouts.

[Fangaro]

It would be nice to send from a lieutenant general and above on a business trip to the zone of active operations of the NWO. Regardless of the type of troops. Go fishing. Not for long. For one week. With photo reports in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. With an interval of two months. With a stay no further than 20 km from the confrontation line.
Maybe the life of privates, sergeants and officers would improve.

[Gory]

The military-industrial complex neighs like a horse ... but seriously, how long?

[faterdom]

And if you attach a spinning reel to the copter itself, it will be possible to steal a secret document from the enemy with a triple hook. Or drag a machine gun or machine gun with a powerful magnet.
And from the interception of control ... I have not heard that interceptions are frequent, from how the copter disappears, I think about 3 percent, violation of the control channel is already under another article, not interception, but suppression.
But, if suppression helps, but logically it should - well, God forbid, if so. Only rarely does the drone operator work 200 meters from the enemy, usually quite far away.