The Russian holding is preparing to produce semiconductor silicon wafers as part of import substitution

The Russian holding Shvabe, which belongs to the state corporation Rostec, is preparing a project for the production of silicon semiconductor wafers at the enterprises of the holding.

Work in this direction is carried out in order to reduce dependence on foreign supplies of Russian manufacturers of microelectronic modules. In other words, it will help import substitution in this area.

As reported on the official website of the holding, the Germanium enterprise, which is located in Krasnoyarsk, will be involved in the production of plates. The plates themselves will be 150-200 mm in diameter.

The concept of creating such semiconductors was presented by a young scientist Daria Kolosova, who worked as part of the Vector program. Recall that this program was launched in August 2018 and aims to improve the skills of employees of defense industry enterprises in the field of creation and development of civilian technological products.

According to Germania General Director Tatyana Pavlyuk, the implementation of this idea will allow delivering high-quality products to Russian consumers of microcircuits in the shortest possible time and at an affordable price.

The Germanium enterprise is engaged in the production, respectively, of germanium and has a technology for processing semiconductor wafers.

Since the technologies for processing germanium and silicon wafers are similar, the idea arose to implement a separate, import-substituting project

Pavlyuk noted.

Comments

[PVV66]

This should have been done yesterday! And do not rely on "partners".

[Sith]

It's never too late, because even the old technical process in the area of ​​\u32b\uXNUMXbconsumer XNUMXnm or so will already cover many "Wishlists" of industrial electronics

[lucul]

It's never too late, because even the old technical process in the area of ​​\u32b\uXNUMXbconsumer XNUMXnm or so will already cover many "Wishlists" of industrial electronics

I beg you, 65nm covers all household needs in the economy, except for the production of CPU / VGA, yes, 65nm is long outdated there)))
If my memory serves me, the newest automotive chips in the world are 90nm.

[Shurik70]

If we are talking about silicon crystals, then at the Kaluga radio-tube plant Voskhod, back in Soviet times, they learned how to make meter-diameter plates.
And microprocessors were made on them.
The famous toy "Just you wait" was made here.
And now they have not forgotten how, as far as I know. In any case, on the site of the plant, photomasks of a meter diameter are offered to be made to order.
True, the dimension of the photomask remained still Soviet times - ± 0,3 microns. You can't make a modern microprocessor. But in the article, we are not talking about photomasks, but about a silicon wafer. There is such a production in Russia.

[valek97]

The plant is currently operating in 3 shifts. But this does not negate the fact that we still haven’t launched even the 28 nm that we wanted to produce in 2016 and we won’t see it for 2-3 years yet ... Few people say that lithographic equipment and the industry have lost. China does not sell us, and the West imposed sanctions.

[stelltok]

If my memory serves me, the newest automotive chips in the world are 90nm.

If the car contains an autopilot.
There you already need a GPU, and this is already 7 nm.

[vadimtt]

The only problem is that at the moment in Russia 180nm, 90nm is relatively (commercially) available only in the pilot production version, with the appropriate rejection and the corresponding price. You need an EFI chip for a car at a wholesale price from the manufacturer of 300000+ rubles. ? Rhetorical question.

[Argon]

32nM will be more reliable for defense products. And for super powerful processors, you can think of something quantum. For good, we need powerful transistors, that is, field and IGBT.

[topol717]

Quote: Argon

32nM will be more reliable for defense products.

What are you???? For military-industrial complex not less than 180nm. For we need reliability and resistance to X-ray and other high-frequency radiation.

[stelltok]

For military-industrial complex not less than 180nm. For we need reliability and resistance to X-ray and other high-frequency radiation.

Is a quadrocopter or UAV Orlan a military-industrial complex?
If this is a military-industrial complex, then for a quadrocopter you need about 28 nm.
Specifications Quadric:
Quadcopter DJI Mavic Processor 2 Cores Cortex-A17 28nm 1,5Hz

[topol717]

Quote from stelltok

Quadcopter DJI Mavic Processor 2 Cores Cortex-A17 28nm 1,5Hz

It tells me nothing at all. this processor is not needed there, although it can be for some kind of super video, but they put such ones because they are corny cheaper than the old ones, and the old ones are no longer easy to find. Well, it looks cooler like more modern.

[stelltok]

this processor is not needed there, although it can be for some kind of super video

It is necessary.
FullHD + signal processing + motor control + gps + built-in OS + all sorts of accelerometers, etc.

[ivan1979nkl]

do not rely on "partners"

I think no one was relying on anyone - it was simply "not allowed", they had to buy everything high-tech from the West for gas and petrodollars. Now that relations with the West have deteriorated (and for me, it only got better)), a lot has become POSSIBLE

[nov_tech.vrn]

There is a structure in the USA that monitors all attempts to buy high-tech equipment and a ban is imposed on all attempts to buy something more modern in the field of processor production, and not only in the USA, but in any country, and even in those days when our government licked their feet By the way, the ban also applies to the Chinese. I hope they managed to steal enough technology.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Nothing modern and serious has been sold since Soviet times and will not be sold, there is such an office - the Bureau of Industry and Security (eng. Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS)) - an agency of the US Department of Commerce. Activities include regulating the export of dual-use goods and technology, enforcing export control laws, monitoring the viability of the U.S. military industrial base, establishing public-private linkages to protect the nation's infrastructure

[sagitovich]

It will be in demand tomorrow and the day after tomorrow and even before the end of the world.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: PVV66

This should have been done yesterday! And do not rely on "partners".

they did not hope, they just lived from it

[FIR FIR]

Quote: PVV66

This should have been done yesterday!

Twenty years ago.

[Nexcom]

and similar work was carried out "the day before yesterday." it's just that they, like Gaidar and those like him, were extinguished. practically destroyed. and it's all stuck at 50 - 100 nm. but plus this - do not care such technologies for most external influences. but! it is certainly not a panacea.

PS Syabry - well done. They almost completely preserved their Integral. And now ours buy chips from them. Laugh!

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Nexcom

and similar work was carried out "the day before yesterday." it's just that they, like Gaidar and those like him, were extinguished. practically destroyed. and all of this is stuck at the level of 50 - 100 nm. but plus this - do not care such technologies for most external influences. but! it is certainly not a panacea.

It seems that Baikal-C has a 16nm process technology, but crystals were still purchased abroad, for comparison, in mobile chips it is already 3nm.

[Nexcom]

I voiced what we can ourselves and not abroad. it was not crystals that were purchased abroad, but the topology of the microcircuit produced entirely abroad. we can develop. create - . and unfortunately it's true

[Nexcom]

not 3 but 5.
tttttttttttttttttttttttt

[topol717]

Quote: Nexcom

practically destroyed. and it's all stuck at 50 - 100 nm

If we had everything stuck at the level of 130nm-90-65nm, we would have no problems at all now. but we are stuck in 1993. and then 800 nanometers were in fashion, and then only in the USA, and we were 2 generations behind, i.e. actually we had somewhere around 2.5 microns. Yes, yes, in 30 years microelectronics has made a breakthrough 1000 times. But one thing pleases, it is easier to catch up.

[Luminman]

And where to get lithographic machines?

[Orange Bigg]

Do it yourself. In the meantime, those that are available will fit.

[Nexcom]

Well, do it. Especially for those funds that give. At the same time, academics and other bosses make such salaries for themselves, but with almost zero output.


PS Until you extinguish the bosses who make half a million salaries from the state budget - they won’t produce shit for you. and this is not idle talk - I work in this area.

[lucul]

Well, do it.

They are already doing it, the possibility of producing wafers up to 32nm is being worked out, and 65nm were purchased used lines from AMD 5 years ago.

[B-15]

The purchase of the line was in 2007. And because of the System, afraid to be left without orders, the line was not installed. And five years later, Micron snatched off some of the equipment he needed for a pittance. And he hung the debt from the penalty on a competitor.

[Beregovic_1]

Shy. In shipbuilding, general directors have from a million, and in some places they have all 3. In a state corporation, it is even higher.

[shikin]

Prospective developments of industrial lithographs are being carried out, in 2-3 years the pilot plants should start working. Wait and see. Information: https://dzen.ru/a/Y7Lj-ud0w2iIQN74, https://dzen.ru/a/Y7MQG77X9ndYn1UM

[Emperor_Alive]

Great news! Surely the Yankees always made sure that we could not develop anything like that.
And specialists were lured away and acted through the 5th column.
Today, even China does not have its own lithographers.

[Goto]

It seems to me that China has already made its own. It just doesn't advertise.

[parusnik]

i.e. sanctions were required, and without them, well, it was impossible to produce. Here it is necessary that the "fried rooster" peck .. The news is good .. but why take it to extremes? We can do a lot..

[lucul]

i.e. sanctions were required, and without them, well, it was impossible to produce. Here it is necessary that the "fried rooster" peck ..

They have been a colony since 1991. And the colony should not have a developed processing industry, only mining.
The development of Russia until 2022 proceeded from this doctrine. ))))

[Sanichsan]

Quote: parusnik

i.e. sanctions were required, and without them, well, it was impossible to produce.

specify, do you produce products for yourself or buy in a store? What about household appliances? Or do you need sanctions so that you can’t buy food or household appliances anywhere, so that you can start producing it yourself?

[Dmitry Rigov]

So, before the sanctions, the situation in microelectronics was much better. At least they could buy Dutch machines (the whole world buys from them), and as a result, the gap from the leaders in the industry was insignificant (10 years maximum). Now the most advanced technical process is 90nm only thanks to the ASML steppers purchased before the sanctions in 2012, they have been trying to run the same notorious 65nm on the same equipment for many years, but so far things have not gone further than memory chips.

[acetophenone]

Nanometers have nothing to do with the production of plates. Lithography - an individual article. By the way, the photo is a strange plate. Two inches? Where are these?

[RED_ICE]

Shvabe, Germanium ... are these Russian enterprises?)))

[Skorin]

As far as I know, silicon wafers for military microelectronics were mass-produced in the USSR, and they were made in Russia a few years before the 2010s. It is strange that now it is passed off as an achievement. Growing silicon is not a problem at all, processing is also a soft material. And about the size of 150-200 mm - this is generally a laugh. In Taiwan, etc., they are made almost half a meter in diameter, and for a very long time.

[vadimtt]

Is it easy to grow a single crystal with a diameter of 300 mm without defects?
Oh well. And then sawing plates at 775 microns - yeah, even easier.
It's not just that everyone can do it. Here, as everywhere, someone grabbed the winning parameters of the technology and everything works out for him, but someone couldn’t (they didn’t have enough brains, money, desire or just luck) - and that’s all. As the most obvious example - centrifuges for uranium enrichment - the technology is the simplest, but again, not only everyone can do it.
And all this directly applies to pure chemical reagents and specific products - the photoresist is the same.

[Ural resident]

These developments were in the early 90s. I know firsthand that there have been certain advances in this area. Then it simply became unclaimed and the developers either left or died, and the technologies were used by those who think far and strategically. It's amazing to read this now, almost 30 years later.

[SerbianChetnik]

On the website of the Germanium company, everything about germanium plates. For normal microcircuits, silicon is needed. Microelectronics from germanium is cool, but only for special industries. The standard is silicon.

[Alex242]

We spent a long time getting ready, now we have to do it both on the run and in three shifts .....

[Alex242]

Quote: Skorin

As far as I know, silicon wafers for military microelectronics were mass-produced in the USSR, and they were made in Russia a few years before the 2010s. It is strange that now it is passed off as an achievement. Growing silicon is not a problem at all, processing is also a soft material. And about the size of 150-200 mm - this is generally a laugh. In Taiwan, etc., they are made almost half a meter in diameter, and for a very long time.

such large ones are not needed, they are cut anyway .....

[Alex242]

Quote: RED_ICE

Shvabe, Germanium ... are these Russian enterprises?)))

joint venture when it was ....

[Pravodel]

prepares to produce semiconductor silicon wafers...

For reference.
In the USSR, there was a full cycle of production of semiconductor silicon wafers and chips - microcircuits at factories in Leningrad. All this was ruined in the 90s by bastards ... Now we are hardly restoring it.

[Ross xnumx]

According to Germania General Director Tatyana Pavlyuk, the implementation of this idea will allow delivering high-quality products to Russian consumers of microcircuits in the shortest possible time and at an affordable price.

I’m just wondering - are these the consequences of the “magic pendles” or was someone clamped their personal belongings in a vise, removed the handle and went to set fire to the barn ?!
Interesting information passed through the media. It turns out that graphene can be made from the bark of a tree and EVEN from the well-known hogweed Sosnowski. You just need to heat it up to 200 ° C and add substances unknown to anyone, which is what they do in Novosibirsk (if I'm not mistaken). This is what "life-giving" sanctions do.
* * *
You know, such information reassures me that not everything is sold and lost. There is still an opportunity to see the Phoenix effect.

[Dmitry Rigov]

Specifically, that Novosibirsk (now Luxembourg) company OCSiAl, which made graphene, has already fled to Serbia.
https://www.lkmportal.com/news/15100

[Goto]

There are many inventions, but here is the practical application - read production. We unfortunately do not have. Therefore, the developments go where they pay.

[75 Sergey]

Well, at least something is being done in this direction.

[fiv]

For all the importance of the issue, the topic of chips and components is dealt with only by a department in the Ministry of Industry and Trade, someone in the Ministry of Digital Development and someone in the Ministry of Education and Science. Seven nannies have a child without an eye. We need at least a state committee or something like Rosatom

[nov_tech.vrn]

Some kind of nonsense, there were no problems with the plates and the cleanliness of the processing. The question is about the production of high-tech products. Moreover, 65 nanometers, as far as I know, is in operation, and this is space and other products experiencing large overloads, and further technological development does not allow us to know that all licenses are owned by former star-striped "partners".