Three "d" of China and the USA: we press, we are friends, we reach


I. Not the recession, but the road to the rise

Some analysts say that the fate of China is a rapid decline in growth rates, then just a recession and economic collapse in the very near future - unless this authoritarian state comes to its senses and carries out political and economic reforms (which, however, these analysts do not believe). Other experts are confident that China will overtake the EU economy already in 2012, and by the year of 2016 it will become the largest economy of the planet.

Dariush Kovalchyk, Senior Economist, Credit Agricole Bank, saysthat the slowdown in the growth of the Chinese economy lasts seven quarters. In the second quarter of 2012, the growth rate of the economy was 7,6%, and in the third quarter - 7,4%. Industrial production is declining - instead of the projected 9,8%, the increase was 9,5%. Analysts add to these "gloomy" indicators: "... only." How about the fact that in the US GDP growth in 2012 will not be even two percent?

Head of the Laboratory of the Quantitative and Technical Economics Institute of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences Fan Mingtai notesthat the recession of the economy of his native country will not be long. The state is now on the verge of new reforms, and the country is about to return to a leading position in the global market. (Yes, she didn’t leave them, we’ll add from herself).

In the OECD report “A look at 2060 year: long-term growth prospects” it is saidthat by 2060, the share of China and India in global GDP will surpass all the 34 countries that are members of the OECD, although now it is just over a third. China will overtake the EU by the end of the year, and four years later will become the largest economy in the world.

He will retain the status of world economic leader until 2020. Until this time, the PRC will grow faster than everyone else, and then India and Indonesia will explode ahead: after all, the working-age population in China is decreasing. According to the OECD forecast, by 2060, the coefficient of the demographic load in China (the ratio of the elderly and the working-age population) will increase fourfold. China now benefits from strong productivity growth and large investments in the past ten years.

According to experts, by 2025, the aggregate GDP of China and India will exceed the total economies of the G7 countries, and by 2060, the economies of the countries taken together will be one and a half times larger than the economies of the G7.

As for China’s per capita income, by 2060 it will be 25% higher than the current equivalent in the United States.

At the CPC congress, it was said that the Chinese economy would keep from recession, measures will be takenensuring sustainable development of the economy, in particular, measures to increase domestic consumption, increase incomes of the population, control inflation and restructure investments. In China, the fight against corruption is intensifying. Model officials appear. Recently, support for the introduction of strict control over the actions of officials expressed at the congress at the meeting of the Shanghai delegation, the secretary of the party committee of this metropolis and one of the likely candidates for the future Standing Committee of the Politburo of the CPC Central Committee Yu Zhengsheng:

“How do I control? My wife left all posts, completely gone. That is, she does not have any posts, and she does not occupy any posts in combination. She has nothing. Therefore, it seems I should not seriously control it. My son has his own business, he is energetically and intensely working. However, I told him this: you should not do business in Shanghai, with Shanghai organizations that I do and which are within my remit, you should not communicate with Shanghai officials. ”

Comrade Yu Zhengsheng is ready to publish full information about his property if the Central Committee makes such a decision.

At the congress of the CPC Hu Jintao presented ambitious development plan for China. Among other things, it says about the planned doubling of per capita income by 2020 year. Such a goal reflects China’s attitude towards achieving a high standard of living, similar to the Western one, and at the same time reducing social tensions. In solving these problems, not only will higher incomes be provided for the population, but also domestic demand will grow, which the PRC lacks. At the same time, it becomes obvious that the ambitious goal for China, in addition to economic recovery, is also a challenge - financially, economically, and politically - to Western domination of the planet.

The new generation of Chinese leaders will be headed by Xi Jinping. Deng Xiaoping before him outlined a dual policy: to carry out economic reforms, while maintaining the communist regime. The press often repeated his statement:

“It doesn’t matter whether a white cat or a black cat: it still catches the mouse.”

The new leader will face the difficult task of managing the Chinese economy and making Chinese politics for a full ten years. Barack Obama opened his cards at the pre-election debate with Romney, saying bluntly that the PRC is the main reason for the US strategic reorientation to the Asia-Pacific region. Obama said he wants to show China that the United States is still the Pacific state.

Comrade Xi, experts suggest, will turn the locomotive of the Chinese economy into the country: after all, the "great Chinese machine" is losing steam in vain. In Europe, purchasing power declined sharply, and trade relations with the US are deteriorating. Therefore, China must maintain a huge economic growth due to domestic demand.

In addition, Xi Jinping believes that China needs to compensate for the fall in exports to developed countries by expanding trade on the Asian continent: after all, there is still some economic dynamics.

Further, the Chinese currency, the yuan, will become part of the new regional financial architecture, and opportunities will be found for the yuan to become an international reserve currency.

China hopes to further strengthen the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

ASEAN will transform the Chinese from a dollar into a yuan block and will try to transfer this regional group of countries from the traditional alliance with the West to an alliance with the PRC.

Such grandiose plans will not do without China’s strengthening of its armed forces, and at the same time not preparing them for any attempts by the United States to encircle the PRC.

In general, Xi Jinping will never “relax”. Geopolitical confrontation is inevitable. Global military strategic challenges to China are all the more likely if the OECD forecasts prove correct.

Ii. "Malignant tumor"

Other analysts believe that there will be not so much confrontation as cooperation - inevitably not only and not so much competition and even “cold war”, as partnership. It really can not be avoided: the economies of China and the United States are interdependent.

Experts are set The question is: if China’s sustained economic growth eventually closes the gap with the United States, which has so far been unsuccessfully struggling with the domestic economic recession and is experiencing growing pressure on the labor market, will the Chinese anti-Chinese sentiment in the current largest economy in the world not spoil the final bilateral relations?

Indeed, today the relationship between China and the United States seems to be one of the most important issues in the world, since a definite answer to it will have far-reaching consequences for the entire world order.

There is an opinion on this matter of Hu Jintao: maintaining healthy and stable development of Sino-US relations is in the fundamental interests of both peoples and is conducive to peace, stability and development in the Asia-Pacific region and in the world as a whole. Comrade Hu recently congratulated Mr. Obama on his re-election, saying that China is ready to go along with the United States on the path of further progress in bilateral relations, which will be useful for both the Chinese and the American people, as well as people around the world.

The Chinese expect the Obama administration to have a more balanced and less confrontational policy toward China. After all, today, in a globalizing world, the two largest world economies are very closely related, which speaks of the primacy of partner China-US relations. Yes, there are trade disputes, yes, there are disagreements about exchange rates, there are problems in the field of intellectual property rights and a number of other issues, but both parties could solve them through a joint search for answer options, through consultations.

Experts believe that cooperation between China and the United States is a panacea not only against economic shocks, but also the road to maintaining world order, as well as a way to overcome such challenges as terrorism, climate change, etc.

There is, however, a slightly different opinion. Professor Jeffrey Garrett, Dean of the Business School of the University of Sydney and Professor of Political Science at the Center for United States Studies, sureA: China and the United States will never be friends. And yet ... and yet he believes that these enemies

"... desperately need each other."

The election in the United States, the analyst writes, did not change the balance of power in Washington, so the continuity in politics is taken for granted. Obama's strategic direction abroad will be to restore the balance of US foreign policy in Asia, precisely with the goal of influencing China’s growth path.

However, Obama cannot be unaware of the interdependence of the American and Chinese economies. And the strengthening of the American presence in Asia will coincide with the growth of tensions in relations with China, which at one point may even get out of control. So what should Mr. Obama do?

Professor Jeffrey Garrett agrees that

“... the US economic future depends on the rise of China. The US benefits from cheap Chinese imports, cheap Chinese loans and the explosive growth of the Chinese market. But China also needs the USA equally - in order not only to sell its goods, but also to get technology and know-how from American transnational corporations ... ”

Hence, the professor concludes: such economic interdependence means that China and the United States will never go to the second cold war. And at the same time, Sino-US relations, the analyst returns to his main topic, will always be tense - because of the very different ideologies of the two superpowers.

So here's where the dog is buried, let's add on our own: different worldviews! One stubbornly wants to be a hegemon, and does not allow them to become the second. After all, there is only one value: American.

At the same time, the expert adds, the United States believes that they are still strong enough to get involved in such a game.

For example, the professor takes Australia, Korea and Japan. What do they have in common? And the fact that China is their leading economic partner. But there is one more thing: their alliance with the USA is the basis of their national security.

Hence, Obama's strategy is aimed at reminding China: yes, you Chinese have many major trading partners, but the US also has many good partners, as well as allies. Obama makes it clear to Beijing in the following way: more marines in Darwin, holding joint naval exercises with Japan, including the situation in the South China Sea on the agenda of the East Asia summit, and a lot more.

Jeffrey Garrett declares: the United States cannot restrain China’s growth, but neither does it try. They want to continue to cooperate with China, but are worried about their risks: as if growing up China did not turn out to be a "malignant tumor" on the body of the globe.

Most likely, let us add, the United States is ready to tolerate the presence of China behind itself, somewhere in second place, and even in third place. These are the “rules of the road” that we are happy to adhere to in Washington.

The US today has 12 aircraft carriers, Russia has 1 (“Admiral Kuznetsov”), and China will soon have 7: Varyag, bought from Ukraine and modernized, and 6, which are still in the plans (and plans are made in China). This cannot be liked by the United States, because it is very similar to “catch up and overtake” and is not at all like the desire to go second or even third. That would suggest who the United States go third - they would agree?

USA пишет Natalia Serova, we can congratulate on the fact that they managed to draw China into the arms race. We must agree with the analyst: after all, it is not America that is chasing the Chinese, but the Chinese behind America.

Americans do not have the moral right to reproach China with hostility. The United States itself generates a large share of military hysteria: after all, the increase in tensions between America and China is connected, among other things, with the adoption of the strategic document in Washington by Washington 3 in January: “Sustaining US Global Leadership: Priorities for 2012 Century Defense”. This strategy states that the strengthening of the PRC in the long term may affect the economy and security of the United States. The key points in the adopted US military strategy are reduced to a reduction in the number of American armed forces while simultaneously concentrating budget resources on the development of satellites and unmanned aircraft. The strategy also implies a reorientation of resources to the APR.

Obama starts and wins - that's the plan for the White House. The Chinese, of course, cannot agree with this. They cannot retreat from development plans either.

What for?

Thus, the key components of the mutual policy of the United States and China will remain three "d": pressure, friendship, achievement. Both powers will continue to put pressure on each other, they will also sing a duet about the planned friendship, but let's wait for 2016 of the year about achievements. If the United States is fighting for China to remain in second place, then Beijing, having unwillingly accepted the challenge, at the CCP congress seriously thought about circumventing the hegemon at the turn.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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    1. YARY
      15 November 2012 08: 35
      China is the future (I hope far enough) of the whole planet.
      I say this with regret and sadness.
      1. 0
        15 November 2012 09: 29
        On the other hand, this is a big incomprehensible something. There are three development paths:
        - the tense situation in the country itself will tear the country apart (break up). Prerequisites: large social problems associated with overpopulation and future economy. the crisis.
        -military expansion associated with the economy. the crisis. Most likely Kazakhstan or the Far East (large territories).
        -Can become the second "USA", due to the fact that all the great brands go there for cheap labor (or slave?) Power and other features.
      2. +1
        15 November 2012 10: 27
        no need to rush to the extreme, everything will be in balance
      3. slas
        15 November 2012 12: 49
        Quote: Ardent
        China is the future

        Nothing - let China go for 10-20 years
      4. +6
        15 November 2012 15: 45
        Tsarist Russia was prophesied a lot, and according to Mendeleev’s estimates, the number of Russians by 2000 should have amounted to half a billion, but in reality, as you yourself know, this is without taking into account possible natural disasters, because Russians live in the safest place on the planet ..
        1. 755962
          15 November 2012 16: 06
          Napoleon I Bonaparte once said: “China is sleeping. Let him sleep further. And God forbid we live to see the day when China wakes up. " The French conquering emperor himself did not live to see his prophecy fulfilled. But we survived. China woke up. So ...
          1. +1
            15 November 2012 16: 19
            Eugene, at the time of Buanoparte there was no thermonuclear weapon and there was much more that could be put to sleep (forever).
      5. 0
        15 November 2012 16: 23
        What is this conviction based on?
      6. +2
        15 November 2012 18: 46
        oh how disgusting to me is such a future. I have never been a racist, but the Chinese are not pleasant to me. studied at the university, lived in a hostel with them. extremely dirty, unscrupulous people. maybe at home and keep order, but outside the country just like cockroaches. all with black hair (sorry blondes will not be because of them), small. for many, the scars on the body are not clear. it feels like mother nature no longer has enough imagination to rivet these guys))). scary girls, do not look after themselves. not a fan of dense makeup, but at least something for beauty ....

        in short, amers are better than the Chinese. amers did not intervene in the war, but these definitely climb. if they were yapping at the USSR, then they would definitely climb into the Russian Federation, because then our country was stronger, and China weaker .... in general, not simple times are ahead of us, comrades!
        1. -1
          16 November 2012 01: 36
          I've never been a racist

          Yes? And in my opinion you are a latent racist
          1. +1
            16 November 2012 09: 31
            Well, do you think ....
            I just came across this and say in fact, well, I insult the "yellow nation", but I just say those negative aspects of it that I noticed.

            Naturally, I can bring positive ones, but it will not be entirely in the subject ...
      7. 0
        16 November 2012 19: 50
        If the Chinese continue to plow like they do today, then no chance of the and no geyropeytsev in the future and can not be ... But! As soon as the welfare of the Chinese becomes at the western level, then most likely they will want something like this ... some kind of ... experiment ... this is at the same time hope and danger for the West and the whole world ... But this is not a quick future. .. We obviously cannot see this ...
        1. Leshy
          22 November 2012 00: 33
          If the Chinese have welfare at the Western level ... In the West, such welfare is because they milk (through currencies and debts) 80% of the rest of the world, including China. So SUCH Chinese welfare is impossible ...
    2. predator.2
      15 November 2012 08: 48
      The other day, support for the introduction of strict control over the actions of officials was expressed at the congress at a meeting of the delegation of Shanghai by the party committee secretary of this metropolis and one of the likely candidates to the future Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee Yu Zhengsheng:

      “How do I control? My wife left all posts, completely gone. That is, she does not have any posts, and she does not occupy any posts in combination. She has nothing. Therefore, it seems I should not seriously control it. My son has his own business, he is energetically and intensely working. However, I told him this: you should not do business in Shanghai, with Shanghai organizations that I do and which are within my remit, you should not communicate with Shanghai officials. ”

      And everything is exactly the opposite, the children of our officials already at birth become big businessmen and company owners, naturally under the strict control of the parent!
      1. Petrospek
        15 November 2012 17: 17
        Yes, you don’t understand, this comrade let go. How so, so honest, and Toko will reveal his income if the party orders, and what’s the matter - take it and open it, you have nothing to fear?
        And as for the son - well, here in general in the sediment - do they have no national corporations in China? That is, a company operating, well, let's say in Beijing - does it work in Shanghai? what nonsense is that? in my opinion this bureaucrat is just a one hundred percent copy of ours, and sings also - "if the homeland orders, then I'm here ... uuuhh!" until the motherland ordered ....... then mono and shout, yazh honest ...
    3. +7
      15 November 2012 08: 53
      This is probably bad, but it gives me pleasure to follow the development of China. There is some beauty in it, as if you are witnessing the birth of something new and great, but with the soul of the USSR.
      1. +3
        15 November 2012 09: 31
        Nevertheless, it is already a semi-capitalist state.
        1. +2
          15 November 2012 15: 49
          With a billion slaves who are not supposed to be a social worker who kill newborn girls, etc.
      2. +1
        15 November 2012 15: 50
        A terrible freak is born ...
    4. Kaa
      15 November 2012 10: 12
      Having unwittingly accepted the challenge, Beijing seriously conceived at the CCP congress to circumvent the hegemon in a bend.
      In addition to aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, nuclear weapons and missiles, China has a more effective "strategic weapon" for America - "It is believed that America is sorely lacking capital today. Then the question arises?" Where did it go? Today, in terms of accumulated gold and foreign exchange reserves, China ranks first in the world, their total volume is estimated at $ 1,8 trillion, and according to economists, this amount is growing at the rate of $ 100 million per hour.
      And only now, after the first collapse with the crisis of American real estate, China began to secretly throw American securities into the securities market. That is why no measures of the American authorities with 700 billion dollars., And now, and then will not lead to anything. The Chinese simply pocket this money, returning their securities to the Americans, only more expensive than at acquisition prices, since the papers managed to take off from the original cost. And there are enough securities in China for everyone. So that the central banks of various countries also have enough work. If China could sell all of its US bonds and then convert the dollars it received into other currencies, it simply would have nowhere to invest the gigantic amount earned.
      But, China will find where to invest, freed from the sale of securities, funds. - Again, in devalued securities. When the American market fails completely, China will buy out all of America's depreciated securities and the world will become unipolar again. The Times of India newspaper talks about a secret plan for the development of foreign and economic relations of the Russian state for the next decade, which was developed by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. The plan underlines the need for an alliance with China and India and the importance of this strategic turn in Russian foreign policy in view of the imminent recession that Western countries will plunge into as a result of the current economic crisis. Citing an anonymous Kremlin official, the newspaper emphasizes that most of the plan is "completely confidential". Http:// 13260
      The article is old, but relevant ...
      After that, China will calmly produce goods both for domestic consumption and for payments for the yuan ...
      1. +2
        15 November 2012 10: 32
        Quote: Kaa
        Today, China holds the first place in the world in the accumulated gold and foreign exchange reserves. Their total volume is estimated at 1,8 trillion dollars ...

        Already more than 3.3 trillion dollars.
        The amount is simply huge, the Chinese are clearly doing something unkind with such funds in their hands.
        1. Suvorov000
          15 November 2012 11: 57
          Unambiguously having such resources in their hands, they don’t even need to fight with America, they will economically lower them to the toilet, the amers won't even have time to say MOM, they’ll have a two or two more years to pull a concrete noose around America’s neck and they will manage it in their interests
          1. Petrospek
            15 November 2012 17: 27
            But can you find out how they do it? economies are connected.
            Type iPhones will stop doing? so the Americans won’t die from it, but 40 thousand Chinese collectors, here’s the question
        2. +2
          15 November 2012 17: 50
          Fixed assets in securities such as "Lemon Brothers", for which the US government is not responsible, as well as in green papers, which the US government does not print (FRS) and ... is not responsible.
          In 1982, the California Central District Court ruled in John Lewis v. United States, which determined that the Federal Reserve Banks that are part of the Fed are not institutions that can be sued by individuals under lawsuit lawsuits. to government organizations and employees. In general, 3,3 trillion., Only there is no one to show, if only the Jews are pulled up, well, the Chinese have a bunchuk in their hands.
          The capital of the federal reserve banks has a shareholder ownership and is formed by the sale of shares of these banks. The main buyers are commercial banks, which do not receive voting rights, but can elect 6 out of 9 managers of the local regional branch, as well as receive dividends. In this regard, the United States differs from countries where the capital of the central bank is wholly owned by the state (Great Britain, Canada) or is joint-stock with a state share in it (Belgium, Japan).

          Ben Shalom Bernanke (Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Fed)
    5. ATY
      15 November 2012 11: 00
      It seems to me very likely that soon a conflict and possibly armed between China on the one hand and America with Europe on the other, as they will not calmly look at the fact that they remain on the sidelines of history and economic collapse.
    6. +2
      15 November 2012 11: 39
      Other experts are sure that the PRC will overtake the EU economy already in 2012, and by 2016 it will become the largest economy on the planet.
      usa will do everything to prevent this
      1. 0
        15 November 2012 16: 56
        They may decide to war. Although I do not really believe that, becoming No. 1 in the world, China will differ from the USA for the better in its manners.
    7. Yankuz
      15 November 2012 11: 57
      Of course, at such a pace, everyone will soon understand who the Chinese are! But it will be too late ...
    8. CARBON
      15 November 2012 12: 58
      There are 7 aircraft carriers in the plans, probably not for hunting Somali pirates. Larger prey will be found. The whole world must be "friends" against China, otherwise soon there will be no one to be friends)
    9. not good
      15 November 2012 13: 45
      China’s war with the USA is a fantasy, but China and Russia are close reality. It is necessary to be friends with China, the question of what China considers friendship is also tried to be friends with Hitler. And Russia is closer and weaker to China, A. Khramchikhin gave a good analysis of the situation, and the leadership of our country looks through the rose-colored glasses and does not see the obvious. China is a totalitarian state, a change of leader is likely to lead to an adjustment in the political course and what will happen in half a year no one can be guaranteed to predict. The new leader, Russia-friend, will share the territory and the Chinese army without question, they will go where they order. And our nuclear bombs do not care for China, 100 million losses against the background of one and a half billion people are only good. And we are the only Chinese missile that has flown to Moscow for many years to come. God forbid us from such friends.
      1. CARBON
        15 November 2012 13: 54
        And who doubts that China is enemy No. 1? Therefore, today we must look for allies in the fight against it. The same India, Indonesia and Japan can find a common language., And soon soon there will be little space for everyone.
      2. damba
        15 November 2012 14: 48
        And you didn’t think that 100 missiles of 10 kilotons of ammunition would destroy 150 only by an explosion and radiation and a shock wave in the end, the radiation from the first explosion will turn China into a dead desert.
        1. Petrospek
          15 November 2012 17: 32
          it seems to me that the situation here is even simpler - ordinary Chinese will quickly perish, but here everyone can ... even their bosses from the Central Committee, but if the comrades from the Central Committee know that they are EXACTLY covered with a vigorous bomb, no one will fight like that, because the guys from the Central Committee want to live to death at their pleasure, and they are not going to die, even in the name of communism.
      3. 0
        15 November 2012 17: 17
        "And China does not care about our nuclear bombs," - in the event of a full-scale war with nuclear weapons, China NOW has ZERO chances of winning. He has a large part of the population and economy - river valleys and southern regions + coast. He is very vulnerable to nuclear weapons
        1. WW3
          16 November 2012 23: 57
          Quote: Mairos
          in the event of a full-scale war with nuclear weapons in China NOW a ZERO chance to win.

          Chance - he is not a paycheck and not an advance ....
          Quote: Mairos
          It has a large part of the population and economy - river valleys and southern regions + coast.

          The Chinese army is also all there?
          Quote: Mairos
          He is very vulnerable to nuclear weapons

          And who is not vulnerable?
    10. Stary oper
      15 November 2012 13: 47
      It seems to me somewhat untimely to talk about China's hegemony on the world stage. The times when its basis was, figuratively speaking, quantity, are long gone. Yes, there is a significant growth in the economy, as well as a certain increase in the income of the population. But then one big BUT begins ... The bulk of Chinese enterprises producing high-tech products are, in fact, "assembly shops" of Western corporations, which are there only as long as it is economically profitable. Therefore, the CPC's stated goal of raising the standard of living of the population (which primarily implies an increase in wages) will soon come into conflict with the economic interests of these companies. And therefore it is very likely that with the same success they may soon move to other countries in the region. This, among other things, as a catalyst can be influenced by China's ambitious plans on the world stage.
      The second one. And the most important. What determines the leadership of a country in the world today? The main advantage is the possession of modern technology. Is it possible to consider China as a leader in this regard, even if its fifth generation aircraft with Russian engines? In which country are the main research centers concentrated? Where does most of the Nobel laureates (different nationalities, by the way) work? In China? Are Chinese programmers, in particular, keen to get to work in the USA, or vice versa? I will also say that pragmatism, namely, it is the basis of relations between the West and China, will end as soon as the latter tries to get around its partners. And in the West they are very closely following this. Can China make a technological breakthrough on its own in the near future? I personally doubt it very much. Moreover, those interested in this, except for himself, are clearly not observed.
      1. Petrospek
        15 November 2012 17: 36
        the most sensible and complete commentary at the moment. I wanted to write something like this - but I'm not Chinese and therefore I'm too lazy))))
      2. akbarr
        15 November 2012 18: 17
        Strongly support the comrade. Of course, China shows a fucking dynamic. The plans for the CCP voiced at the congress are impressive, but so far the slaves are ready to work hard for $ 3 a day. When they want to eat not only rice, but also meat - then we'll see.
        The skyscrapers of China are just a beautiful facade, behind which lies a poor village (about 730 million peasants).
        A method to reduce the flight of such eagles in Tana has long been worked out.
    11. WW3
      15 November 2012 23: 09
      China is preparing for war and only the blind can not see it ... And the fact that China possesses nuclear weapons ... begins to demonstrate muscles as in the recent conflict with Japan over the island ... this is only the beginning ... where the edge of its aggression will be turned , that is the question....
    12. -3
      16 November 2012 10: 46
      China does not have normal nuclear weapons delivery vehicles. And while they just lie in the warehouses, it’s not much worse than the baby scarecrow.

      No wonder the new S-400 will be including in Primorye.
    13. 8 company
      16 November 2012 15: 07
      Lord, in our time, give 9,5 GDP growth and someone is talking about a decline in China ?! You, gentlemen, are the capitalists of the USA and Europe, everyone needs to plump down at the feet of the Chinese Communists, so that they teach you how to deal with the economy. With your 0,5-1,5% growth.
    14. 0
      16 November 2012 19: 28
      There are prophecies about the war with China. The bottom line is that China will seize part of Russia's territory without war, such as it is now, they will simply calmly cross the border. Russia will respond with a nuclear strike, but not against China, but from its territory occupied by the Chinese. That is, there will be no reason for a retaliatory strike. A belt of scorched earth that does not belong to anyone is formed.
      And they also say: as the Chinese go, the world will end.
      Believe it or not.
    15. 0
      16 November 2012 20: 19
      When China launches its eleventh AUG, consisting of: an aircraft carrier, three cruisers, one strike submarine, the United States plans to jointly grow the economy and divide the world will be a kapets. Soon.

      [quote = Uncle] There are prophecies about the war with China. The bottom line is that China will seize part of Russia's territory without war, such as it is now, they will simply calmly cross the border. Russia will respond with a nuclear strike, but not against China, but from its territory occupied by the Chinese. That [/ quote]
      You quote Wang. Will be more convincing. And be baptized more often.

      [quote = Uncle] There are prophecies about the war with China. The bottom line is that China will seize part of Russia's territory without war, such as it is now, they will simply calmly cross the border. Russia will respond with a nuclear strike, but not against China, but from its territory occupied by the Chinese. [/ Quote
      Wang cite. Get baptized more often. It will pass.
    16. MG42
      19 November 2012 23: 10
      China already has missile carriers that can carry nuclear weapons.
      According to estimates by the Federation of American Scientists, China’s nuclear potential for 2009 has about 180 combat-ready nuclear warheads and 240 conventional warheads, making it the fourth largest nuclear arsenal among the five major nuclear powers.
    17. Leshy
      22 November 2012 00: 44
      China has no oil. Enough (like Japan during the 2nd morale) cut off oil supplies. It’s not necessary to fight China, you can argue with neighbors, or provoke Iran ... China without oil is a dull sight ...

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