France has lost over 400 million euros due to "Russian" Mistrals

According to the British newspaper Tribune, France missed several hundred million euros due to its refusal to sell Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia.

According to the publication, the French Accounts Chamber calculated the losses and concluded that the French side lost 409 million euros for its refusal.

Recall that back in 2011, a Franco-Russian contract was signed for the construction in France for Russia of two Mistral-type helicopter carriers for a total amount of 1,2 billion euros. However, when they were almost ready, in 2015, France, violating the contract, refused to transfer them to Russia, referring to the events around Ukraine. Two "Russian" helicopter carriers were resold to Egypt in the same year.

The Mistrals are amphibious assault ships that can carry up to 16 helicopters.

The Tribune explains that the sum of more than 400 million euros was formed from the cost of paying compensation to the French defense company Naval Group, as well as re-equipping these ships and their subsequent transfer to Egypt.

It should be noted that Paris quickly forgets her "sins" and does not want to be treated in the same way as she allows herself to be treated by others. So, when earlier Australia terminated the contract with the French company Naval Group for the construction of submarines, Paris called it a stab in the back.

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[alexey_444]

You shouldn’t worry about them, the Americans quickly loaded the shipyard with the construction of other ships, they don’t offend their own so they racket a little. These corporations have a large margin of safety, no one will notice the loss.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: alexey_444

You should not worry about them, the Americans quickly loaded the shipyard with the construction of other ships

In January 2019, the European defense procurement organization Organization for Joint Armament Co-operation (OCCAR), on behalf of the Directorate General of Armaments (Direction Générale de l'Armement - DGA) of the French Ministry of the Armed Forces, signed a contract with the French shipbuilding association Naval Group and the shipyard Chantiers de l 'Atlantique (Saint-Nazaire) for the construction of four next-generation integrated supply ships of the Bâtiments Ravitailleurs de Force (BRF) type for the French Navy, the English designation Logistic Support Ships - LSS is also used. The contract value was 1,7 billion euros (including VAT).

[credo]

How many years have passed, and everyone is doing the counting.
It's somehow strange, either they want to shake off the losses from their government, or I think how to find a reason to compensate them at the expense of Russian reserves arrested in the West.

[Tatyana]

Quote: credo

How many years have passed, and everyone is doing the counting.
It’s somehow strange, either they want to shake off the losses from their government, or they are thinking how to find a reason to compensate them at the expense of Russian reserves arrested in the West.

Most likely, in your conclusions, you are close to this second TRUTH - the French at all levels want to snatch a piece of Russian reserves in a pragmatic raider way and in advance for this they are trying to justify their actions against Russia!

[tihonmarine]

So, when earlier Australia terminated the contract with the French company Naval Group for the construction of submarines, Paris called it a stab in the back.

But when the French broke the contract with Russia, for some reason they did not call it "a stab in the back of Russia." And Macron is still "singing like a nightingale", it would be time to cackle a chicken.

[KCA]

A rooster, like a patriot, will crow, the symbol of France is a rooster

[I dare to_notice_]

Well... stop moaning.
Independence view of Raska is more expensive.
Don't believe? Ask Ukraine.

[I dare to_notice_]

For those in the armored car...
That was sarcasm.

[aakvit]

That was sarcasm.

Duc about this immediately write nada-ah!

[Div Divich]

But they opened the eyes of the Russian Generals to the fact that it is not worth ordering weapons from a potential enemy, it is better to finance your defense industry. France is a member of NATO, and NATO is an alliance of armies of several countries created to destroy the Soviet Union, and Russia is the legal successor of the Soviet Union. Whatever the representatives of France say, while they are in NATO, the plan for the destruction of Russia remains in their heads.

They didn’t build their own Mistrals after that, but judging by the release of ships, funding is coming, and the construction of various ships is carried out with these funds as far as possible (there are no Ukrainian engines).

[Crimean partisan 1974]

They didn’t build their Mistrals after that,

but the icebreaker fleet is fully armed .. but they don’t give a shit ... many still don’t understand .. but why were they needed at all ... the Russian Federation is a continental country

[KolVisin]

Just right near Odessa would come in handy

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Kolvizin

Just right near Odessa would come in handy

Near Odessa, they would only be a target.

[Div Divich]

In my opinion, they wanted to get Mistrals for status. The vulnerability of the ship and the problematic maintenance did not bother anyone. For status, we have ships with calibers and hypersonic missiles.


Russia needs the transportation of aircraft, missiles, tanks by sea, since there are many of its seaports and islands, but not with such monster ships that will get stuck in the straits and run aground near the islands. Dock ships would be just right (Karl Dorman, San Antonio).

[Hagen]

Quote: Divy Divych

In my opinion, they wanted to get Mistrals for status.

It was a political deal with the acquisition of specific technological documentation and experience along the way.

[Sergey39]

The construction of UDC pr. 23900 is underway in Kerch. According to the plan, one will be handed over in 2028, the second in 2029. But, taking into account the activities of our shipbuilders, there will be a shift in time, to the right.
Our UDCs are more modern and they have better armament and they meet the requirements for survivability better than the Mistral "soapboxes". Yes! Even with sanctions against Us, there would be big problems with the operation, maintenance and repair of equipment.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Sergey39

Our UDCs are more modern and they have better armament and they meet the requirements for survivability better than the Mistral "soapboxes".

Mistrals were built according to technologies for civilian ships, so there is no survivability. Yes, the project itself was developed for operation in the southern regions, and therefore, under our climate (at least one of them wanted to be operated in the north) was reworked as much as possible.
In general, thank God that these ships are not with us now.

[Nikolay310]

The French should be thanked. because what all this "international cooperation" and the desire of a nanogenius to be pretty in front of the West led to, everyone now sees ...

still to restore the civil aviation industry, which the Yeltsin-Gaidar destroyed in Russia

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay310

The French should be thanked. because what all this "international cooperation" and the desire of a nanogenius to be pretty in front of the West led to, everyone now sees ...

That's right, the contract included technical support for the ships, the supply of spare parts and training of personnel.
And what would the Russian Navy do then, after the imposition of sanctions by France.

[donavi49]

F-14s fly from Iran - although on purpose, so that there would be no black and gray imports, in the USA the F-14s and spare parts for them were destroyed out of turn, by a separate decision and funding. However, they fly. And the aircraft is much more sensitive to maintenance.

This is the most obvious example. About the F-4, F-5, Cobras and other Chieftains, I will keep quiet. If we take the fleet, then they have 3 Alwald frigates built in Portsmouth for the Shah, they are still running around.

and a large series of Combatants from Cherbourg, some were re-equipped with Chinese Exocets, and some still go with half-rotten French

At key nodes, Mistral is quite realistic to serve when ties with suppliers are broken.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: donavi49

At key nodes, Mistral is quite realistic to serve when ties with suppliers are broken.

Quite right. Because no one canceled rebranding and reverse engineering. What the Chinese comrades use to the fullest ... and not only.

[rotmistr60]

the French side lost 409 million euros for their refusal.

And to this it is also necessary to add a fine (forfeit) for non-fulfillment of contractual obligations, according to some sources, €1,1 billion, according to others - €949,8 million (including the advance paid by Russia). In addition, the French shipbuilding company suffered image damage, partially losing confidence in the world market, a recession began in the company and it was forced to lay off 4 employees. This is the damage caused by one person - French President Hollande, who succumbed to pressure from the United States.

[Reader]

according to some data, €1,1 billion, according to others - €949,8 million (including the advance paid by Russia)

But this is still less than the advance payment of 1.2 billion previously paid by Russia.

The representative of the FSMTC said that the compensation that France paid to the Russian Federation for the failure of the contract includes, among other things, funds for carrying out development work on the development of the K-52K deck helicopter, training specialists in managing the Mistrals, as well as the construction of a mooring wall to base these ships in Vladivostok.

The amount transferred by France to Russia was not announced. At the same time, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian has repeatedly stated that it is less than the 1,2 billion euros that France received as an advance. At the same time, French government spokesman Stephane Le Fol claimed that the amount paid to Moscow "does not exceed one billion euros." Stephane Le Fol explained that an international agreement was concluded between the two countries for the supply of Mistrals, the rupture of which would have consequences for the budget, so the termination agreement should be considered by Parliament.

On August 26, the Council of Ministers of France, at a meeting with the President of the country, considered a draft law on the termination of the implementation of the contract for the supply of Mistrals to Russia. After that, the document was submitted to the country's parliament for consideration.

According to the bill, the exact amount that France paid Russia for the non-delivery of two Mistral-type helicopter carriers amounted to 949 million 754 thousand 849 euros. In addition to the amount of payment, the document stipulated that France did not have the right to transfer the ships to a third party in any way until Russia received all compensation and restitution. Another point of the agreement was that no third party that could suffer losses from the termination of the contract for the supply of Mistrals has the right to claim compensation.

https://news.rambler.ru/troops/40221717-chto-stalo-s-avianostsami-mistral-kotorye-frantsiya-ne-prodala-rossii/
Here is such a business in Russian or Nanai, I xs

[antivirus]

About moral harm and off-topic comments.
Maybe we should say loudly: all cases of mockery of ours, including in / captivity, are investigated and the punishment will not be according to the "Geneva Conventions".
Including without "judicial courts".
To scare, not to scare, but to intimidate the entire Banderia.
The inevitability of an amnesty must be morally suppressed in the minds of the Bandnrovites and their own.
Or is it redundant?

[Vladimir80]

Maybe we need to say loudly: all cases of mockery of ours, including in / captivity, are being investigated and the punishment will not be according to the "Geneva conventions"

already declared, then they gave the Nazis iPhones and sent them to the resorts of Turkey

[APASUS]

Such was the opportunity to strip the French to the skin, and ours again hoped for something, took it and forgave it.

[Reindeer]

You may ask, how exactly did you forgive? Since a person who knows and has information has come across, it’s a sin not to ask ...

[Dedok]

so read the press - their press, for that period and you will understand what it is about

[rotmistr60]

APASUS (Pavo)

And you read my comment with numbers a little higher and then it will be clear if you forgive or not.

[APASUS]

Quote: rotmistr60

And you read my comment with numbers a little higher and then it will be clear if you forgive or not.

You write nonsense.

Initially, France offered to return €785 million to the Russian Federation after the sale of the ships to other customers, while Russia demanded the return of €1,15 billion and the refusal to further sell the ships. At the end, they parted edges to the pleasure of both parties. France returned to the Russian Federation the money it transferred in the amount of €949,8 million, as well as Russian equipment dismantled from the UDC, after which it took ownership of its own ships. Russia, for refusing penalties to the French side, demanded from it the right to agree with it a third party to whom these ships would be sold. Those. re-export of UDC was possible only with the consent of the Russian Federation.

Read carefully !! OUR REFUSED TO DEMAND A PENALTY

[your1970]

Quote: APASUS

Such was the opportunity to strip the French to the skin, and ours again hoped for something, took it and forgave it.

To put it mildly, ours tore off the contractual penalty for not fulfilling the contract + all the technical documentation

[Bad_gr]

Quote: your1970

To put it mildly, ours tore off the contractual penalty for not fulfilling the contract ....

As for the penalty, they regretted it (if they took it, then not a significant part). At one time, this topic was discussed, as well as how much we needed these ships. At that time, we also decided to stock up with Iveks from the Italians. It was just as smart a decision as with the purchase of Mistrals.

[Rostislav]

But what do we care about the losses of the French? Is it warmer in the house?
They received losses for themselves, well, okay, they knew what they were getting into.
And to rejoice, following the example of h.okhlov, "That the neighbor's cow died" does not appeal.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Mistral assembly.

The left (stern) part of both ships was built in the Russian Federation and bought by the French. After that, the Russian Federation was already supposed to buy the ships as a whole.
Considering that the purchase of the ships did not take place, but the stern parts were still bought out, the Russian Federation is in the black.

[Bingo]

There were also cuts at the shipyards after this case, so the exact amount is generally unknown - minus jobs - this is also a minus to the budget

[Mavrikiy]

France has lost over 400 million euros due to "Russian" Mistrals

The usual nonsense, from the Franks and impudent. What losses, the shipyards were standing, and we gave them work and an advance payment that they twirled and twisted in their economy for 3 years.

[Glory1974]

In fairness, it should be noted that Russia also refused to transfer the S-400 to Iran, for which the Persians paid about a billion dollars.
They also lost money and reputation. And subsequent actions showed that there was no point in doing this, no one in the West appreciated it.

[Leshak]

Bent under the US losses are not accepted. The main thing is that the owner has a profit, and serfs are serfs for that - their business is to obey.

[Ghost1]

Right now, many politicians and propagandists say the West has always been against us and our enemy and TD. But look, not even 10 years have passed, and earlier ships were ordered in the west, some were Italian cars for fashion. In fact, our luminaries thought that we were friends with the West and that you could even make military orders there and tried to wedge in and become their own for them.

[I dare to_notice_]

Quote: Divy Divych

But they opened the eyes of the Russian Generals

The fact that all the weapons that they sold to the "partners" will then be turned against them.

[donavi49]

According to the publication, the French Accounts Chamber calculated the losses and concluded that the French side lost 409 million euros for its refusal.

And it acquired about 20 billion euros (the total volume of contracting for military-technical cooperation with Egypt). At the same time, shipbuilding remained in the plus (a total of about 2 billion euros for 4 Govinda, a training center, weapons + it is still unclear how much money to deploy the assembly in Alexandria).

In general, one careless speech about freedom in Cairo from Mr. Macron in January 2019 cost France about 4 billion euros total losses (which could not be compensated by contracts for 21-22 years - because the offended Sisi was stingy in Italy, China and Germany), shipbuilders suffered the most. France flew over 4-6 Egyptian Fremmes, on which papers were already signed. Sisi bought 2 Italian FREMMs and 4 MEKOs in Germany.

[Shiva83483]

like a trifle ... but how nice .... and the reputation is worth a lot

[Zaurbek]

And what is the fate of our UDC, which began to be built in the Crimea?

[Dedok]

The Tribune explains that the sum of more than 400 million euros was formed from the cost of paying compensation to the French defense company Naval Group, as well as re-equipping these ships and their subsequent transfer to Egypt.

the refusal was not spelled out in the contract - but we did not receive / refused the due compensation ...
what is the article about?
what did we get in the bottom line?

[Dedok]

Quote: glory1974

no one in the west appreciated.

how, how: they accepted it in the states and even gave me an iPhone ...
True, and to the Azov people - Abramovich also gave iPhones ...
such diplomacy / pragmatism we have

[PValery53]

Something for France "Atlantic solidarity" regularly and "tits-masiski" (systematically) goes sideways. Well, straight, "it's a shame" for this France.