The US command has concerns that the Russian Armed Forces will use Iraqi data on Abrams and Iraqi experience in combating these tanks

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The US command has concerns that the Russian Armed Forces will use Iraqi data on Abrams and Iraqi experience in combating these tanks

In the American expert community, they continue to talk about why the administration of President Biden is "dragling" supplies tanks Abrams to Ukraine. A variety of points of view are expressed, including one that attracts special attention.

According to a number of sources who have contacts with the command of the armored and cavalry brigades of the US Army, the Pentagon, and, accordingly, the US administration, "there are certain concerns about Ukraine in connection with the practice of using Abrams tanks during the Desert Storm operations" , as well as "Iraqi freedom", March 20, 2023 from the moment of which it will be 20 years old.



During these operations, American troops regularly lost their Abrams. During the "Desert Storm" there were cases when the US Army lost 3-4 of its tanks per day. Moreover, what American experts are paying special attention to today, the loss of Abrams tanks was often associated not only with hitting anti-tank mines, but also with the Iraqi army firing from Soviet-made T-72 tanks. Thus, a case of a tank confrontation between the American "Abrams" with the number A-22 and T-72 of the Iraqi Armed Forces was documented. A Soviet-made tank, having entered the line of fire, attacked a heavy American vehicle, as a result of which the ammunition of the "American" was detonated. Then the press service of the Pentagon noted a statement about "wounding one of the crew members."

During the next American invasion of Iraq - in March 2003 - the losses of the US army in Abrams tanks continued. At the beginning of 2005, an article was published in the United States, in which, with reference to a representative of the American command, it was said that since the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom, the troops had lost at least 80 Abrams, of which about 60 vehicles remained repairable.

The Iraqi military, who discovered the main vulnerabilities of the Abrams tanks, mainly used options for striking at the stern. So, after receiving intelligence, ambushes were arranged, the participants of which used anti-tank missile systems, and often hand-held anti-tank grenades, to hit the location of the fuel tank. In such cases, fuel was often spilled, eventually igniting, which led to the loss of the tank's combat capability.

Numerous mine traps were also used, once in which the Abrams were additionally fired upon by ATGMs, which in some cases led to the death of the crew and the complete destruction of the tank as a result of the detonation of its ammunition.

Iraqi artillery also worked effectively on the Abrams.

In this regard, the military in the United States is considering the possibility that the Russian Armed Forces are studying Iraqi experience in combating Abrams tanks, and will also receive “certain data” from modern Iraqi military personnel, to whom the United States at one time transferred several Abrams. The greatest risks in Ukraine are associated with the use of Russian MLRS, as well as with the use of the experience of the Iraqi military in the use of "anti-tank ambushes-traps" by the RF Armed Forces.
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    1. +16
      31 January 2023 09: 27
      He will definitely use, and also develop new methods and distribute them around the world - for free!
      1. +11
        31 January 2023 09: 46
        Damn, why are they clinging to this tank? Well, it's a good tank. But in principle, he does not have an outrageous superiority over his opponents. And he is also afraid of ATGMs, otherwise they would not integrate KAZ on them.

        By the way, cars without KAZ seem to go to Ukraine.
        1. +12
          31 January 2023 10: 00
          Let's get back to the attack on Iran, after all, Israel admitted its direct participation, but how did you avert suspicion here, oh, how you averted ((((((((((((
          1. -4
            31 January 2023 10: 03
            Quote from Silver99
            Let's get back to the attack on Iran, after all, Israel admitted its direct participation, but how did you avert suspicion here, oh, how you averted ((((((((((((

            Firstly, official Israel did not recognize anything. And secondly, what?
            1. +14
              31 January 2023 10: 09
              Recognized, read the news, the Israeli government announced the full achievement of the goals of the attack, is this not a recognition? it’s hard to argue about “sho”, no one in the world will blather.
              1. +9
                31 January 2023 12: 18
                Let's get back to Abrams. Although during the invasion of Lebanon, it was the unacceptable losses of the Merkav that led to the shameful flight of the Tsakhal. After this shame, when our Kornets lowered them, the Israeli Ministry of Defense generally wanted to abandon the concept of a heavy tank, they wanted to make it smaller and lighter with an automatic loader ... like our tanks. They argued, argued, while they pushed the development of the heavy Merkava-5 as unpromising, while the beaten Merkava-4 was slapped. Cornet take them. And plans to seize the Lebanese superfield had to be put on hold until the fall of Syria, which did not happen. Also, the departure of the Americans from Iraq is due to the large losses of armored vehicles and vaunted Abrams. As a result, Iraq became a protectorate of Iran. They themselves overthrew the worst enemy - Saddam, who waged the Iran-Iraq war. Beaten imperialist dogs
                As it came down to it, the NATO concept of tanks had already failed. Merkava managed in Lebanon, Abrams in Iraq, so the Kurds also burned Turkish Leopards.
                1. -9
                  31 January 2023 12: 51
                  stupidity, the use of tanks in cities b.v. and in the steppes of the outskirts these are completely different things ... the main losses of tanks in the B.V. from ambush, in the steppe there simply will not be such an opportunity !!! but you continue to reassure the gullible...
                  1. +11
                    31 January 2023 13: 39
                    Oh, you don't like geography. In the photo from Iraq, the tanks are not in the city. There, the desert terrain and conditions are much better for tanks than in Ukraine. But most importantly, neither the Lebanese Hezbollah fighters, nor the Iraqi partisans, nor the Kurds had attack aircraft, nor had tanks and large-caliber artillery, did not have Tornado-S, did not have cruise missiles, etc. Now your metal trash will rake off from all branches of the military, and not just from guys in sandals with grenade launchers. Then we'll see who's talking nonsense. And you were going to fight on the fields of Donbass? But settlements, Soledar doesn’t count there, forest belts don’t count? Crossings, ravines, waste heaps are completely absent there? And let's see how these troughs behave in liquid clay and black soil, but in snow. Viditeli did not like the hermitage, they beat the filthy imperialists from an ambush. And we will not plant the type. Until recently, both sides fought with the same weapon and genetically close fighters, and hundreds of thousands of Vushniks had combat experience in the ATO. Now they have been knocked out, and we have hundreds of thousands of shelled. Here they creaked, and here they sang.
                    1. +3
                      1 February 2023 08: 23
                      Vladimir apparently just never saw the steppe, it is easier to hide there than in the city, and the most dangerous thing is that there is a false feeling of good visibility and "evenness" of the steppe. This means that the crew will not be on their guard and will not even have time to understand what and where it came from.
                    2. 0
                      4 February 2023 08: 54
                      You answered yourself. Partisans. Iraq had no front line. The Americans entered there and found themselves essentially surrounded on all sides by partisan formations. The task of a heavy tank is to be at the forefront of the attack when breaking through the front line, when it realizes its advantage - the invulnerability of the frontal projection to tank ammunition. All. He has no other superpowers. It's not a superweapon. This is a specialized breakout / counter-breakout tool and in its role it surpasses the more versatile less heavy MBTs - in fact, it counters them. And its sides / feed / roof are the same cardboard as any armored vehicles. For non-tank ATGMs, it is already vulnerable even in the forehead - hence the decision to install KAZ on Abrams and Merkavas. The latter have not encountered tanks at all for a long time, but infantry ATGMs are their main and deadly enemy.
                2. +1
                  31 January 2023 13: 50
                  The concept of a heavy tank from the Second World War (equivalent booking of the forehead, sides and stern) is really outdated, but the Western concept of the tank is quite working - the concentration of armor in the frontal projection. As a result, modern Western MBTs in the forehead for tank ammunition is practically invulnerable at a distance of more than 1 km. Everything has a price (mobility and load capacity of bridges), but they decided that it was worth it. At the same time, the USSR also had tanks weighing 60 tons (IS-4), but, unfortunately, a strong-willed decision was made to abandon such vehicles.
                  1. +9
                    31 January 2023 14: 13
                    The West, except for the Germans, never knew how to fight in large-scale battles on land, and even more so with armored vehicles. A tank for a breakthrough, for a raid on the rear, etc., which was previously done by the cavalry. Therefore, it was the medium T-34 that became a symbol of victory, and the enemy reached Moscow with medium tanks T-3 and T-4. When the Wehrmacht stepped back, they thought more about defensive battles and heavy tanks like the Tiger were more like a hybrid self-propelled guns. Our anti-tank work was not done by tanks, but by anti-tank artillery, including self-propelled St. John's wolves. Have our self-propelled guns, including those based on thirty-fours, abandoned the turret? Therefore, NATO adopted the calibers of the Reich, and the concept of tanks of the decline of the Reich. And we have not only a successful practice of using tanks, but also a victorious practice. Therefore, our tanks, not inferior in combat power, have a mass of +/- 40 tons. But even having armor-piercing ammunition, the main task is not anti-tank, but for breakthroughs and raids in the rear. In the head of NATO, it’s a tank in a tank, in the forehead. Therefore, on land they are beaten and will be beaten. And anti-tank weapons are always stronger. DZ appeared, a tandem projectile appeared. And the Reich was already ill with gigantomania, Mouse in your feed.
                    1. -8
                      31 January 2023 14: 45
                      In the head of NATO, it’s a tank in a tank, in the forehead

                      what a delusion, and what difference does it make what is in their head ... it is important that the United States is constantly training, organizing wars all over the planet, and accordingly modernizing its equipment, and we all think in categories "80 years ago and we can repeat" - and the result of this thinking was visible at the beginning of its own - dozens of Russian wrecked, abandoned, blown up tanks ...
                      1. +4
                        31 January 2023 14: 59
                        Quote: Vladimir80
                        it was visible at the beginning of its own - dozens of Russian wrecked, abandoned, blown up tanks ...

                        At the expense of the West, why are you attributing this? I repeat once again, the same equipment and fighters of the same ethnic group opposed each other there. Plus, the numerical superiority of the Armed Forces, fortified areas and civilian cover, when we are constrained in the use of means, the availability of which do not even doubt. In many respects, the experience of the ATO had an effect, when the Vushniks surpassed us in experience and motivation. Now everything is exactly the opposite. And the fact that you are moaning about the supply of tanks and says that they were knocked out. They also knocked out the equipment supplied by the Bolsheviks for the Nazi countries that were part of the Reich. Poland, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Romania, where the locals most distinguished themselves in the atrocities of the Holocaust, like Bandera itself.
                        1. -1
                          31 January 2023 17: 19
                          They also knocked out the equipment supplied by the Bolsheviks for the Nazi countries that were part of the Reich

                          what is this all about?
                        2. +2
                          31 January 2023 17: 25
                          Quote: Vladimir80
                          what is this all about?

                          About the equipment delivered to the enemies
                    2. 0
                      31 January 2023 19: 36
                      Well, it’s not quite so, and I consider the hysteria St. John’s wort stupid, because the SU / ISU -122/152 were created to break into enemy fortifications, and the anti-tank guns are the SU-85 and SU-100, the latter, by the way, took part in battles only in early 1945
                      A full-fledged mass self-propelled gun began to be produced in our country in 1943, this is the SU-76M, which was used at the same time as an armored personnel carrier, often stuffed into the wheelhouse to hell with fighters. Here they massively liberated the Crimea in the spring of 1944, and there were 4 of your St. John's wort for the entire 15th Ukrainian Front.
                      1. +2
                        31 January 2023 21: 29
                        Read me right. Keyword "including"
                        Quote: hrych
                        including self-propelled St. John's wort
                        If you don’t accept the common name, but only mean the Su-152, then they released 670 of them. And if you have all 4 fronts on the Ukrainian front, then where did the rest of the 670 vehicles go, apparently on Three Belarusian wassat
                    3. +3
                      1 February 2023 08: 32
                      Finally, one of those infrequent commentators who really understand that the tank is not intended for battles against tanks. A battle against a tank is an extreme case, when there is either an opportunity for a shot with a guaranteed incapacitation, or if you are cornered.
                    4. 0
                      1 February 2023 18: 52
                      Quote: hrych
                      The West, except for the Germans, never knew how to fight in large-scale battles on land, and even more so with armored vehicles

                      "West" is who exactly? And what historical period are we talking about?
                      Quote: hrych
                      Therefore, NATO adopted the calibers of the Reich

                      And this statement is, of course, utter nonsense. The first is that the "tank gun of the NATO military bloc" is the British 105-mm tank gun L7. And its numerous copies from other countries of this same NATO military-political bloc.
                      And anti-tank weapons are always stronger.

                      Stronger than what? The stage when, due to the development of anti-tank guided missiles with cumulative warheads, some (for example, specifically the tank builders of West Germany) generally believed that the tank no longer needed strong anti-ballistic armor (hello to Leopard-1, which did not have one) they seem to have passed. Gone back in the 1960s and 1970s.
                      1. +4
                        1 February 2023 23: 59
                        Quote from ValhallanSharpshooter
                        What historical period are we talking about?

                        Consider when cars and armored vehicles became the main means of transportation for ground armies. When the Germans crushed the Belgians, French and Poles. When Dunkirk was arranged for them, etc. When Russia turned its neck to the Reich, the allies screwed up. With the Japanese as well, the war at sea, but the islands were stormed. The Kwantungs were crushed by the Red Army. In Korea, the West could not do anything. In Vietnam, the French raked, then the Americans. As a result, they fled from Iraq and Afghanistan. And these are not such huge countries. For example, the Kwantung controlled more territories than Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam and Korea combined.
                        Quote from ValhallanSharpshooter
                        And this statement is, of course, utter nonsense.

                        Remember the Luger cartridge and calm down.
                        Quote from ValhallanSharpshooter
                        Stronger than what?

                        Than the protection of tanks. Idiots have reached the point of using uranium in armor. At least that city, but hit the unfortunate caterpillar track with a low-power charge and that's it, the tank is no longer a tank, but a mountain of iron. When you come up with a different way to move the tank, come in.
                        1. +2
                          2 February 2023 08: 21
                          When Dunkirk was arranged for them, etc. When Russia turned its neck to the Reich, the allies screwed up. With the Japanese as well, the war at sea, but the islands were stormed. The Kwantungs were crushed by the Red Army.
                          But they shout louder than anyone that they allegedly turned the neck of the Reich.
                        2. 0
                          2 February 2023 09: 56
                          Quote: hrych
                          When Russia turned its neck to the Reich, the allies screwed up.

                          The victory in the Great Patriotic War was won by the people of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, in which Russia (RSFSR) was only one of several equal union republics. What was, by the way, written in plain text in the then-acting Constitution of the USSR of 1936.
                          Quote: hrych
                          In Korea, the West could not do anything

                          Again - who is this "West"?
                          If you are talking about the troops of the United States and their allied countries, then how can you tell. Let's start with the backstory...
                          The Korean War of 1950-1953 began ... with an act of military aggression by the North. Korea vs South Korea.
                          (as proof that it was exactly like this, here is a link to an authoritative source - https://historyrussia.org/sobytiya/25-iyunya-1950-goda-nachalas-korejskaya-vojna.html , Quote: "June 25, 1950 North Korean troops crossed the 38th parallel and launched a full-scale offensive to the south in several directions. The Korean War began.")
                          The troops of South Korea and the allied troops of the United States and the allied countries of the United States (the latter, by the way, acted on the basis of the UN Security Council resolution of 25.06.1950/XNUMX/XNUMX) very successfully repelled the North Korean military aggression. But apply Sev. Indeed, the United States and its allies did not give Korea a crushing defeat and achieve its surrender. Specifically, China's intervention in the conflict did not work. The then US government did not want a full-scale war with the PRC.
                          Quote: hrych
                          Remember the Luger cartridge and calm down.

                          And what about the PISTOL cartridge and tank guns?
                          PS: Well, yes. By the time the NATO military-political bloc was created in 1949, what kind of pistol caliber would be there was already of extremely little importance.
                          hit the unfortunate caterpillar track with a low-power charge and that's it, the tank is no longer a tank, but a mountain of iron

                          Firstly, you must first get into this caterpillar track with this very charge.
                          And secondly, such damage does not prevent the tank itself from firing at the enemy.
                          Schneider, in turn, hid the development of the Russian guns produced by the Putilovites.

                          How the French company "Schneider", which owned a controlling stake in the Putilov plant, could "steal" the development from him - "this is a great secret." You can't steal what already belongs to you.
                          In addition, the final design of the Russian 107-mm gun mod. 1910, that the French 105-mm cannon of the 1913 model is the result of a joint development of the Putilov plant and the French company Schneider.
                          Therefore ears grow from

                          Ears of 105-mm caliber (that is, stupidly of such a barrel diameter), as we see, are still "growing" from a French artillery gun.
                        3. -3
                          2 February 2023 13: 47
                          Quote from ValhallanSharpshooter
                          Russia (RSFSR) was only one of several equal union republics.

                          Firstly, the largest republic, both in terms of area and population. Secondly, all the Western republics were captured by the Wehrmacht, and the Central Asian ones were agrarian, industrially undeveloped. Tanks were made in the Urals, riflemen were made by Tula, Izhevsk, etc. Steel was made by the RSFSR for this, so there is no need for la-la.
                          Quote from ValhallanSharpshooter
                          You are talking about the troops of the United States and their allied countries

                          Exactly. They showed nothing, and not aggression, but the civil war of the Koreans. Such a hegemon, with such equipment, achieved only a truce, and then thanks to the will of the USSR.
                          Quote from ValhallanSharpshooter
                          And what about the PISTOL cartridge and tank guns?

                          Despite the fact that I wrote about the calibers of the Reich, which the NATO inherited, and not specifically the tanks. And if now the regular pistol and submachine guns of the US Army and NATO as a whole are under the Luger, then this is the legacy of the Reich. But the tank caliber 105 adopted by NATO was still inherited from the Reich. I also wrote about the inherited concept of tank building from the decline of the Reich, i.e. heavy tanks with anti-tank specialization. The Germans themselves used the T-3 and T-4, and not the tigers, to break through and raid the rear.
                          The truck is affected primarily by mines and guided land mines. On what the Americans got burned in Iraq. Now Lancets and small kamikazes may well work on tracks. More than a dozen million down the drain. No one will fire, they will leave the car and run. The most heroic will shoot the BC and also run away. This is the front line and the enemy will not wait until the BC is evacuated or brought up, but will peel from everything that is.
                          The caliber 107 was designed before Schneider and was forced to downsize. Putilov factories is a gigantic network that also produced cruisers, if the snoop was invited to work, he didn’t have much rights, therefore they weren’t allowed to make 107 in France. They forced them to reduce it a little. But the beginning of the history of the caliber is not important, and even its trophy history in the Reich is not important, but it is important that the Reich began to use the caliber for the production of field and mountain howitzers, anti-aircraft and naval guns, as well as for heavy guns, where the comparable barrel length and caliber are licked by the British and NATO tank guns still inherited the caliber common in the Reich.
                        4. 0
                          3 February 2023 09: 57
                          Quote: hrych
                          therefore do not la-la

                          Mmm ... well, let's turn again to authoritative sources recognized by historical science
                          http://militera.lib.ru/h/gpwsh1/index.html
                          Quote: "the leading and inspiring role of the Communist Party in the struggle of the Soviet people and its Armed Forces for the freedom and independence of the socialist Motherland, for the liberation of the peoples enslaved by fascism"
                          Quote: "the world-historical significance of the victory of the Soviet Union, manifested primarily in the strengthening of the democratic forces of the world, in the formation of the world socialist system"
                          Quote: hrych
                          not aggression, but a Korean civil war

                          It is that the act of military aggression from the North. Korea. Established by UN Security Council resolution.
                          https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/065/17/PDF/NR006517.pdf?OpenElement
                          regular pistol and submachine guns of the US Army and NATO as a whole under the Luger

                          By the time the NATO military-political bloc was created, it didn’t matter at all what cartridge the pistol was chambered in. From the word "absolutely". The 9x19mm "Parabellum" became the standard for the NATO military-political bloc simply because by 1949 it WAS the standard pistol cartridge for most countries participating in this same military-political bloc for at least a decade. With one, but very important exception.
                          What were actually ... "suddenly" the United States. Used as a standard pistol cartridge .45 caliber (11,43mm) right up to the second half of the 1980s.
                          What did the Americans get burned in Iraq

                          And who told you that during the military intervention in Iraq, arranged by the then US government in 2003, American troops "burned out"?
                          On the contrary, they inflicted a military defeat on the troops of the Saddam government and forced its surrender. That is, they achieved a military victory. The American government then, in fact, also, in general, achieved a political victory. Saddam's tyranny over Iraq was ended, the former tyrant Saddam Hussein himself was put on trial (Iraqi, if anything), and a democratic government was established in Iraq.
                          There is really one "small" (no) nuance. The majority of the Iraqi population are Shia Muslims. And so the democratic government of Iraq will almost certainly gravitate toward Iran as its natural ally. Which is what happened in the end. "Be afraid of your desires, because they .. can come true" (c)
                          Quote: hrych
                          The Putilov factories are a gigantic network that also produced cruisers, if the snoop was invited to work, he didn’t have much rights, and therefore they weren’t allowed to make 107 in France

                          Uuu ... "how everything is running" (c). They weren't "invited to work", but the French company "Schneider" at that time owned a controlling stake in the Putilov plant.
                          About "they were not allowed to make 107 mm" is also funny. The 107-mm Russian gun is because it is 4,2 inches in the inch system (42 lines). The French, at that time, already had a centimeter caliber system. Therefore, 105mm (10,5 cm).
                          "It is not necessary to multiply entities without the need for it" (c)
                        5. -1
                          3 February 2023 14: 26
                          Quote from ValhallanSharpshooter
                          Oooh ...

                          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/107-мм_пушка_образца_1910_года
                          Read attentively.
                          At the beginning of the 107th century, the French company Schneider gained control of the Russian Putilov factory. Among the projects that were being created at the plant at that moment was the project of a XNUMX-mm field gun, which was supposed as a replacement for the old 107 mm and 152 mm guns.
                          Replacement of old 107 mm guns. Those. there was already a caliber and a gun for the already existing ammunition. We dig further. And what old 107 mm gun was replaced? This is a 42-line battery gun of the 1877 model, which Russia ordered from Krupp, i.e. Second Reich, but in the end she began to release herself.
                          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/42-линейная_батарейная_пушка_образца_1877_года
                          but, as we can see, our gun had a caliber even earlier
                          With the transition to rifled artillery, a decrease in calibers occurred: the battery became 9-pound. (107 mm) gun mod. 1867

                          Do not talk about a controlling stake in factories. You just misunderstood the word got control wassat There was a tender between Krupp and Schneider, the latter won, because. lobbyist Vel intervened. Knese Sergei Mikhailovich. And Schneider's company did not own a controlling stake in the Putilov plant, but owned a controlling stake in the shameful place of Matilda Kshesinskaya wassat
                          https://nvo.ng.ru/history/2012-09-07/12_emperors.html
                          I will quote:
                          The Russian-Asian Bank. Since 1910, Aleksey Ivanovich Putilov, a distant relative of the founder of the Putilov Plant, Nikolai Ivanovich Putilov, who died in 1880, has always been at the head of the bank ... A secret agreement was concluded between the board of the Putilov Plant and the board of the Schneider plant. According to him, the board of the Putilov Plant, and in fact, the Russian-Asian Bank, had to do everything so that only the guns of the Schneider system were accepted into service with the Russian army. In turn, the French promised to transfer their technical know-how to the Putilov plant.
                          And Schneider received an order for 107 mm, and sold 105 mm to the French government. Those. a cunning thief, the Russian order was slightly changed and resold. That's the whole story. My words are confirmed. As a tank gun 105 L-7 stupidly comes from the Reich, converted 10,5 cm schwere Kanone 18 model 1918, the same caliber and length. so is the caliber stupidly Russian-Kruppovsky. And if there are Koreans on both sides, then the civil war does not care about the UN, however, that the DPRK and the Republic of Korea became members of the UN only in 1991. Until 1991, there was historically one Korea, with a truce in the civil war.
                          In general, I smeared you in a dispute wassat
                        6. -3
                          3 February 2023 08: 01
                          Take the gun of the British L-7 tank and see: caliber 107mm, barrel length 5460mm
                          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ordnance_L7
                          And now take the German heavy gun - 18: caliber 105mm and both dza, barrel length 5460 mm
                          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,5_cm_schwere_Kanone_18
                          Those. the British did not even develop a Reich caliber cannon, but simply stole a German, Rheinmetal cannon. Even the number of cuts is the same.
                      2. +1
                        2 February 2023 02: 39
                        Quote from ValhallanSharpshooter
                        British 105mm L7 tank gun

                        By the way, this caliber is the 105-mm Schneider gun of the 1913 model. Schneider, in turn, hid the development of the Russian guns produced by the Putilovites. The Germans got thousands of them during the capture of France, and also to whom they were supplied, such as Poland and Belgium. These guns were used specifically for the pillboxes of the Atlantic Wall, etc. Fascist Italy produced such a caliber of guns. This caliber went to the NATO and the British and was used to develop tank guns. Therefore, the ears grow from the Reich one hell, although they stole everything from the Russians.
                      3. +2
                        2 February 2023 03: 14
                        But these are German 105 mm guns. Field and mountain howitzers, ship and anti-aircraft guns.
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,5_cm_FlaK_38/39
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,5_cm_Gebirgshaubitze_40
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,5_cm_leFH_18M
                        And this is a German heavy weapon.
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,5_cm_schwere_Kanone_18
                        1. 0
                          6 February 2023 09: 30
                          The presence of one caliber does not mean that this is one gun. More important is the weapon-projectile complex. Or a barrel - a breech. A field howitzer and anti-aircraft guns have different shells and shells. With an equal length of barrels and caliber - suddenly the rifling and their number coincide. And why did the Britons take not the wow 88 mm from the Reich, but the incomprehensible 105? And if they did, what's wrong with that?
                  2. +3
                    31 January 2023 19: 32
                    And why, unfortunately? A tank is also an economic unit. For example, in the Second World War we say yes, about IS, KV, T-34, and often remember those whom the Germans called indestructible locusts? Almost 60 T-20s with a 6mm gun were built alone, and much more T-70s with 45mm.
                    To the question of what is the best tank I received not so long ago, the answer is the one that is here and now. And if it’s not there, well, it doesn’t matter what its characteristics are
                    Weight and size characteristics affect the mass of procedures with the tank before it just reaches the front line, and how much and who costs for its maintenance. And the price of the issue is also important, since the tiger cost about 3 T-34s, or two IS-2s
                    1. +1
                      1 February 2023 08: 35
                      And if it’s not there, well, it doesn’t matter what its characteristics are

                      Good philosophy, right.
                      how he just gets to the front line, and how much and who is behind his service.

                      Or if it arrives at all, like some of our equipment with a "chumadan" 5tdf, for example.
            2. +4
              31 January 2023 13: 44
              nothing personal, BUT ... then you shouldn’t shout to the whole world that Israel is a peaceful country, and acts exclusively in a defensive plan ... that's all
            3. 0
              6 February 2023 21: 41
              How is SHO??? And the answer??? Not really serious. I think that for a small share the patriots of the square have already sold both javelins and stingers, the question is when all this will blow up ???
          2. +6
            31 January 2023 10: 13
            Quote from Silver99
            Israel admitted its direct participation, but how did you avert suspicion here, oh how they averted ((((((((((((

            Duc, the Jewish "habit" (!) ... that is, tradition! (“I am not me, and the horse is not mine!”, “It’s not my fault! They came to me themselves!”)
          3. -11
            31 January 2023 11: 00
            It's all bullshit! Calm down daddy! If Israel had launched the attack, things would have been much more serious and would not have been limited to minor damage to a few buildings. So Israel went into complete denial! :)
          4. +1
            31 January 2023 11: 03
            By the way, I heard that it was Ukraine, I decided to avenge "Gerani"! :)))
            1. +1
              31 January 2023 19: 39
              Does she have such powerful intelligence to light up in Persia? It is clear that Podlyak was bzdanul there, but this is clearly too tough for them.
          5. +3
            31 January 2023 11: 43
            On VO, the influence of kosher is too great. And these comrades, sitting at home, are polishing Russian sites from and to. Apparently they miss their homeland))))
        2. +4
          31 January 2023 10: 03
          Hello, the training manuals are already at the forefront, Nightingale has already talked on the air about the readiness of the fighters for the "meeting" of the Abrams. Another question is why this overseas "miracle" should get to the front line.
          1. +3
            31 January 2023 10: 13
            Quote from Egeni
            Hello, the training manuals are already at the forefront, Nightingale has already talked on the air about the readiness of the fighters for the "meeting" of the Abrams. Another question is why this overseas "miracle" should get to the front line.


            The Internet is full of instructions on how to deal with Abrams.
          2. +1
            31 January 2023 10: 14
            The nightingale again angrily blew bubbles with his nose, and pounded his palm on the table in anger or in courage? laughing
          3. +9
            31 January 2023 10: 37
            Quote from Egeni
            already talked on the air about the readiness of the fighters for the "meeting" of the Abrams.

            So, isn't it too early in this article to fixate on the "abrams"? It seems to be like, the "leopards" should arrive first, and then the "challenges"! Therefore, isn't it better to "train on cats" first!?
            1. +4
              31 January 2023 11: 29
              "
              Isn't it too early in this article to fixate on "Abrams"

              As a publicity stunt, scorched Abram is much more interesting than a scorched cat.
          4. +2
            31 January 2023 19: 40
            Biden has the same question, he also voiced what he would put but did not specify when exactly. By the way, the self-propelled grandfather passed the liver sausage with the supply of tanks.
        3. Hog
          +4
          31 January 2023 10: 26
          Abrams has all the armor in his forehead, well, also the sides of the turret, but the side of the hull is a 30mm + 60mm screen, that's all. That's why the Yankees sculpt DZ on the body, at least some kind of protection against RPGs.
          Export tanks with weakened armor will go to Ukraine, without any DZ there, and even more so KAZ.
          PS: Hello Tundra, at least some benefit from it in the form of armor schemes for Abrams / Leopards 2.
          1. +1
            2 February 2023 09: 12
            Yeah, hello)) In the lure of the tower, the abrasha even breaks through the Derivation with a bops there))
        4. +1
          31 January 2023 11: 42
          RPG-30 hook solves the issue of KAZ type TROPHY.
        5. +3
          1 February 2023 22: 55
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          By the way, cars without KAZ seem to go to Ukraine

          The Amerzavs are well aware of the stupidity of the defense of the Abrashi. Therefore, they are "laying an information straw" that, due to "secrecy", they will not supply protection from depleted uranium. And so, after the mass combustion of their boxes, there is an opportunity to shake off.
          Although, under some kind of pretext, they can generally get by with promises. request
        6. +1
          2 February 2023 12: 08
          If the "abrams" come to Ukraine, then they will be in the export version, and this is a completely different matter. In this configuration, there are not many "nishtyaks" that were in 2003 in Iraq.
      2. +8
        31 January 2023 09: 51
        You can't drink away the Iraqi experience.






        Figure 3. The distribution of armor tank M1A2 "Abrams"
        Green - booking from 20 to 70 mm.
        Red - booking from 600 to 770 mm.
        Yellow - armor up to 80 mm (when firing at a right angle).

        Based on the experience of previous conflicts, to combat enemy tanks, it is recommended:

        1. Create special teams of armor-piercers, which should include a machine gunner and a sniper to protect against infantry covering an enemy tank.

        2. Places for ambushes should be selected in areas that restrict the movement of tanks.

        3. The location of the ambush should ensure cutting off escape routes and locking vehicles in the destruction sector.

        4. When conducting military operations in the city, it is necessary to use several teams, placing them at different levels - in basements, on the first or third floors of buildings. For a reliable destruction of the tank, it is recommended to simultaneously fire up to 5 - 6 shots from RPGs from various directions.

        5. It is recommended to fire at armored objects from above, from the flanks and from the rear. Shots on the frontal armor are ineffective and can only unmask the grenade launcher.

        The Second Iraqi War exposed the weaknesses of the American M1A1 Abrams tanks and finally dispelled the myth about its invulnerability, which had been carefully propagated over the past decade. The frontal armor of the Abrams turret and hull still provide good protection against anti-tank weapons used by the Iraqi army. However, the side and rear projections remain vulnerable even to grenade launchers developed in the 60s of the last century. There were also cases of tanks being disabled by fire from the stern of both the 25-mm cannons of "their own" BMP "Bradley" and the 30-mm cannons of the BMP-2. It is no secret that, not keeping within the allotted weight restrictions, American designers were forced to sacrifice the armor of the hull sides, which provides protection against armor-piercing shells of a 30-mm cannon only at a heading angle of +/- 30 degrees, where side screens 70 mm thick are installed. The remaining sections of the board are made of 5 mm mild steel, followed by 30 mm armor steel of the hull. Such a barrier is hit by 30 mm BMP-2 cannons from 2000 m (when using armor-piercing sub-caliber shells), when using conventional armor-piercing shells, this distance is somewhat lower.
        According to foreign experts, PG-7V rocket-propelled grenades hit the Abrams with a 55% probability on the side of the turret and on the side of the hull above the rollers. With a probability of 70% - into the roof of the tower.


        According to the US Army Armored Command (TACOM) and the US Army Experience Learning Center (CALL), the 3rd Mechanized Division over the 21 days of the operation, only 23 M1A1 Abrams tanks and M2 / M3 infantry fighting vehicles were hit by enemy fire or friendly fire "Bradley". Fifteen of them (including nine Abrams and six Bradleys) were hit by RPG-7s.

        https://turbo.pikabu.ru/story/kak_unichtozhit_amerikanskiy_boevoy_tank_abrams_5570680

        So, for example, on October 27, 10, 2003 km from Baghdad, northeast of the city of Ballad, the latest modification of the Abrams M40A1 SEP (System Enhanced Package) tank from the US 2th Mechanized Division was blown up. The tank was blown up by a homemade land mine, which consisted of several artillery shells. As a result of the explosion, the tank tower flew off by 4 meters.


        1. +2
          31 January 2023 22: 18
          2. Places for ambushes should be chosen in areas that restrict the movement of tanks
          so it’s for them to move off the asphalt and that’s it: “overfed predatory fur animal 5 letters”
        2. +2
          1 February 2023 18: 58
          finally dispelled the myth of his invulnerability, carefully propagated over the past decade

          It is absolutely incomprehensible by whom exactly for "a whole decade" the "myth of invulnerability" of the American tank "Abrams" was implanted.
          There are no invulnerable tanks. None at all.
          Moreover, I don’t remember at all that the Americans themselves would say such things about Abrams. On the contrary, since the adoption of the M1A1 model, the tank has been constantly upgraded, including strengthening armor protection and other protective equipment (for example, the same TUSK (Tank Urban Survival Kit) upgrade kit)
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      4. +2
        31 January 2023 10: 21
        I will say one thing, even the Americans understand that the Russian army is far from the Iraqi army, oh how far. It's not for you to fight the Arabs.
      5. +2
        31 January 2023 10: 36
        The US command has concerns that the Russian Armed Forces will use Iraqi data on Abrams and Iraqi experience in combating these tanks
        Will definitely use
        Which one exactly? Bury FAB-250 - 500 into the roadway with detonation on command? What did the Iraqi Armed Forces and the rebels demonstrate that would become an anti-tank revelation for ours?
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      6. -4
        31 January 2023 13: 42
        They also "forgot" about the presence of attack aircraft in the Russian Armed Forces. Incl. army ...

        Which Iraq, previously bled dry by the three-year destruction of all the remnants of its air defense system, simply "did not have." For it, having completely lost its cover, did not rise into the air ...
        1. -1
          31 January 2023 13: 55
          they "forgot" about the presence of attack aircraft in the Russian Armed Forces

          are you talking about the su25 and ka52 shooting "nurses from the cabling", well, well ...
          1. +2
            31 January 2023 14: 59
            You guessed right...

            For in the aforementioned Iraq (just in case ...) THE BASIC MASS OF Iraqi tanks (especially in the Basra region ...) were destroyed by "warthogs" ... Along with a number of Abrams, who suffered from "friendly" fire ...

            And they were "buried" in the Iraqi sands, due to the impossibility of their evacuation for repairs (including to the territory of the United States) due to their unacceptably high radiation background, as a result of their destruction by STAFF ammunition of the "warthog" aircraft guns with shells containing low enriched uranium cores...

            The personnel of the repair and evacuation teams, by the way, at the same time, received incurable diseases of the skin, lungs and circulatory system in the future.

            And the struck Iraqi tanks, in general, "didn't bury themselves in the sand" ...

            So, when destroying enemy air defense, which I IMMEDIATELY MENTIONED, about the best "medicine" for destroying enemy armored vehicles than attack and army aviation, and it's "harmful" to dream ...
            1. +1
              31 January 2023 15: 12
              Just in case...

              When it "comes" to mass deliveries of heavy armored vehicles to the Kyiv Nazis, including the Abrams, they will be beaten, MOSTLY, already in the OPEN "steppes of the Kherson region" in not at all in the "dense industrial-residential buildings" of the Donetsk agglomerations ...

              Well, in URBAN battles, say in Kyiv, for example, the Russians, with the help of RPGs and ATGMs, will do well with them ...
              1. 0
                31 January 2023 22: 22
                MLRS to help them. and purely to the specialists, the question is: Pinocchio, having covered with his volumetric detonating ones, will he be able to send Abram to Adam? or around?
            2. -4
              31 January 2023 17: 21
              when destroying enemy air defenses, about the best "medicine" for destroying enemy armored vehicles than strike and army aviation and dreaming is "harmful"

              I agree, it remains to destroy the air defenses
          2. -1
            31 January 2023 15: 29
            Quote: Vladimir80
            are you talking about the su25 and ka52 shooting "nurses from the cabling", well, well ...

            Don't shove, first attack aircraft shoot guided munitions, and the area target, primarily infantry, is hit by nose-up. The main tasks are demilitarization and denazification. The first is the destruction of weapons and soldiers, and the second is what? If Nazism-Ukrainianism in heads? It is treated along with removal of the head. And this is a terrible term, but no one thinks. Judging by NATO data, a whole generation of young, ideological Nazis has already been destroyed. Therefore, the task is carried out without entering the MANPADS coverage area, the areal target is covered with the use of cheap ammunition. The Ukrainians, by the way, began to try to copy this tactic. Here, look and imagine if your infantry and not only unit covers this. Not well, well, but on-on will be. And yet, the most insidious defeat by mines from above, a canopy. It’s hard to hide behind cover, it flies right into the trench, etc. And the armored vehicles are hit from above, where the armor is lousy. Before you sarcasm, figure out what it is.

            1. -3
              31 January 2023 17: 28
              Judging by NATO data, a whole generation of young, ideological Nazis has already been destroyed.
              I repeat, war is the art of deception, and believing this "data" is not very smart, the "data" are voiced simply in order to continue pumping out weapons because "they have heavy losses from the insidious Russians"
              an area target is covered using cheap ammunition

              these are the tasks of the RSZO, the effectiveness of firing from a roll-up has not been confirmed, at least by the fact that the United States, as far as I know, does not use such tactics
              1. +2
                31 January 2023 18: 10
                Quote: Vladimir80
                these are the tasks of the RSZO

                This is the task of all branches of the armed forces, in this case as an air-based MLRS, when a salvo of two helicopters covers a decent area. Fire rain brothers. Each branch of the military has its own strengths in similar tasks. Attack aviation, of course, has mobility, the time it takes to detect and hit a target. Russia is ahead of the curve in methods of using conventional munitions with precision commensurate with high-precision ones. This is how the SVP-24 "Hephaestus" complex, etc., works. Tornado-S can fire precision-guided munitions with a seeker, or, under computer control, position itself and the target, automatically direct guides in azimuth and angle of inclination, and cover a couple of football fields with blanks, and here or wash off. Tornado-G also works, unlike Tornadoes and Gradov. It is a pity and ineffective to spend expensive, high-precision ammunition on the accumulation of bandos, but here they also covered a lot of lightly fried meat. Cabriolet attack aircraft have learned to relatively safely cover the target perfectly. And this is no longer a reason to laugh.
    2. +14
      31 January 2023 09: 28
      Eeeee something new in the fact that you need to put minefields and hit the sides / stern of the tank?
      1. +4
        31 January 2023 09: 32
        How they took it off the tongue, I just wanted to write it)
        It looks like universal methods of dealing with any armored vehicles
      2. +11
        31 January 2023 09: 34
        Nothing new
        When landing in Sicily, American tankers were enriched with new combat experience, which said that anyone could be knocked up in the ass, and also that it was a real pleasure to attack an enemy who did not have normal anti-tank defense.
        1. +4
          31 January 2023 10: 02
          Quote: novel xnumx
          Nothing new
          When landing in Sicily, American tankers were enriched with new combat experience, which said that anyone could be knocked up in the ass, and also that it was a real pleasure to attack an enemy who did not have normal anti-tank defense.

          In the 90s, when our people were treated not by doctors, but by the Kashpirovsky-Chumakovs and other "miracles", they spread a rumor that Churchill first planned to plant his brave guys on the Balkan Peninsula. But then he consulted with "his personal astrologer", who, accordingly, with the stars, and, as a result, the astrologer advised Churchill to land the allied troops in Italy.

          Firstly, the astrologer, probably really powerful, since he bothered to read the newspapers and guessed to "advise" not to throw troops into the "Balkan meat grinder", but instead send them with a glass of "Chianti" to take a walk around Italy.
          And, secondly, somehow I hardly believe that such a hardened cynic like Churchill would keep an astrologer with him. Well, if only for laughter - after a couple of glasses of cognac to leave it with a bull from a cigar ...
          I consider this a stupid self-promotion of our post-Soviet astrologers.
      3. +8
        31 January 2023 09: 51
        I didn’t have to fight with enemy armored vehicles due to the enemy’s lack of such at that time, but I immediately realized that
        Quote from cold wind
        you need to put minefields and hit the sides / stern of the tank
        - this is, really, a new word in anti-tank warfare! drinks

        I don’t understand one thing - why do we need the Iraqi experience? We are not Americans, so that "strictly according to the training manual, not a step aside." Let's get our experience.
        Will it just work? Something tells me that Grandfather "threw" Europe big with his "Abrams" and our boys will have to gain experience on "Leopards" and "Challengers".
      4. +1
        1 February 2023 12: 47
        I believe that ammunition could become a fundamentally new means of anti-tank combat, cutting in the last section of the trajectory of approaching a tank (armored vehicles), sharply making a "slide" and hitting a tank from the upper hemisphere. Mainly in the tower...

        In this case, there is a high probability that no "armored capsule" will help the crew ...
    3. +7
      31 January 2023 09: 29
      A suspicious coincidence: just yesterday at Solovyov's, Semyon Bagdasarov directly suggested using not only the experience, but also the teams themselves for the destruction of American armored vehicles, which now have nothing to do in the Middle East and who have got their hands on "spoiling" American scrap metal. This is specific. And "certain sources" are more like fantasies on the topic of Bagdasarov. Moreover, Semyon Arkadievich said not just the names of the detachments, but also the names of the leaders with whom one could discuss this topic. As he rightly said, "there people live in war, for a very long time, they will no longer go to dig beds" ... if they are given protection, then it is quite realistic to create several hundred mobile groups for the destruction of foreign equipment, because the Leopards burned so well among the Turks in the North of Syria , in batches!
      1. -6
        31 January 2023 09: 40
        Baglasarov's wild fantasies, people in their right mind do not watch these pseudo-experts, pseudo-potreots ...
        1. -2
          31 January 2023 19: 48
          And you’re in vain like that, personally, of course, Bagdasarov’s manner of communication annoys me, but in those shows certain thoughts are voiced and the same Bagdasarov is not, so there’s no need to speak for people. I’m interested in what our state broadcasts and, don’t believe me, I still sometimes watch Ukrainian TV, since I know the language.
      2. +1
        31 January 2023 22: 28
        it is time to invite the Chinese comrades to gain experience in their future work in Taiwan. at the same time, they will be able to run their ATGMs and write manuals
    4. +5
      31 January 2023 09: 30
      The US command has concerns that the Russian Armed Forces will use Iraqi data on Abrams and Iraqi experience in combating these tanks
      Walk quietly. Already, and for a long time. Any theater of the VD is considered by specialists, appropriate conclusions are made with the issuance of recommendations "to the top", both for the military and for the defense industry.
    5. +3
      31 January 2023 09: 31
      In this regard, the US military is considering the possibility that the Russian Armed Forces are studying Iraqi experience in combating Abrams tanks.

      Interestingly, but there, well, in the Pentagon, did they not think that the Russian military did not study the features of the fight against the Abrams at the time of the Gulf War?
      They weren’t interested in how the T-72s were opposed to American heavyweights?
      So, let them not be afraid, but just sit behind their puddle and not stick out.
      1. 0
        31 January 2023 09: 44
        As they say - They removed it from the tongue, read the opus and immediately the thought arose about it ...
    6. +4
      31 January 2023 09: 33
      The US command has concerns that the Russian Armed Forces will use Iraqi data on Abrams and Iraqi experience in combating these tanks
      . Everything is clear ... they do not want to give abrashi, they DO NOT WANT!!!
      Not only impudent, so thoughtful.
      The operation on "breeding rabbits" ... ugh, they bred "liver sausage", and then there will be cunning Van maneuvers. As many as you need! soldier
      1. +2
        31 January 2023 09: 45
        Quote: rocket757
        Everything is clear ... they do not want to give abrashi, they DO NOT WANT!!!

        I agree.

        Quote: rocket757
        "liver sausage" they bred,

        Lever sausages, following the amers, also turn on the back, they say we don’t have enough tanks
        1. +1
          31 January 2023 10: 05
          So everything is right ... everyone who is still able to think decided to dance, preferably away from the fire ... let the most zealous and others climb into the fire, and then they stink of scorched well, if they survive, in general. Nobody cares about them.
        2. +1
          31 January 2023 22: 31
          now tigers will roll out from museums. kind of cat? cat! was in Russia? was! take Ukrainians and turn on genetic memory ...
    7. AAC
      +2
      31 January 2023 09: 34
      They are not embarrassed that in a month word of mouth will indicate all the weak points and available methods of destruction? But I would get upset and change my mind about supplying miracle equipment to the bottomless fields of Ukraine.
    8. +2
      31 January 2023 09: 34
      The US command has concerns that the Russian Armed Forces will use Iraqi data on Abrams and Iraqi experience in combating these tanks
      belay Well....? The experiment will not be clean enough? fool But the result of recycling will be maximum.
      2. Iraqi data on Abrams and Iraqi experience in combating these tanks. recourse There was no aircraft or UAV in Iraq, what an experience. Yes, and artillery with tanks of the 60s. In addition, check the resistance to Jewelins, thanks, you supplied. feel Maybe you can still throw batteries to them, otherwise China and China .... request
    9. -14
      31 January 2023 09: 37
      Interestingly, is the Russian Federation studying the Iraqi experience of losing the war and plunging for 10 years into a confrontation of all against all with daily terrorist attacks ???
      1. +2
        31 January 2023 13: 31
        This experience is more relevant for Ukraine.
      2. -2
        1 February 2023 23: 39
        Based on the ingeniously carved wooden sculptures and their number .... Probably not before
    10. 0
      31 January 2023 09: 43
      There are a lot of pictures of the destroyed Abrams ... so our fighters will burn and destroy them just like any other enemy tank in the NWO.
    11. 0
      31 January 2023 09: 43
      ̶B̶ Stripes, keep the Abrams at home and no one will know their secrets
    12. +2
      31 January 2023 09: 47
      . in the United States, they are considering the possibility that the Russian Armed Forces are studying the Iraqi experience in combating Abrams tanks,

      How the Americans do not want to supply their over-praised tanks to Ukraine, but what can you do, you have to. And it will be even more interesting when the German Leopards (in any case, Ukraine will receive them earlier) will burn en masse and the whole world will see these videos. Then the leadership of General Dynamics will begin to have heart attacks.
    13. 0
      31 January 2023 09: 50
      They leave time and maneuver to turn on the back ......, it can blow .......
    14. +3
      31 January 2023 09: 51
      Let them have no doubts, they will use all the experiences.
    15. -2
      31 January 2023 09: 56
      Recently, the level of thinking of American experts has slipped into some incredible primitivism. Zadornov was right a thousand times, they are stupid!
    16. +2
      31 January 2023 09: 56
      "Iraqi Freedom", March 20, 2023 from the moment of which it will be 20 years old.

      Slavery in America is now called >Black lives are more important than white lives" and then in order - "Iraqi freedom", "Syrian freedom", "Democracy in Afghanistan" and so on.
      But American slavery, begun in the 18th century, did not stop for a minute, only the monster grew and appetites increased.
    17. 0
      31 January 2023 10: 11
      And until today, one might think that Russian military science has not sorted out the military operations of NATO in the Middle East, incl. and anti-tank warfare? Yes, and about the weaknesses of the "Abrams" and not only known.
      the Pentagon, and, accordingly, the US administration, “has certain concerns about Ukraine in connection with the practice of using Abrams tanks during operations Desert Storm, as well as Iraqi Freedom”
      So fears should be about any conflict, because. before it begins, it is not completely known what "surprises" the enemy has prepared.
    18. -7
      31 January 2023 10: 23
      And these Abrams sink well.
      Somewhere out there... far away... in the Atlantic... on the way to Kyyov.
    19. -2
      31 January 2023 10: 29
      Is it so obvious that it needs to be reported?! Moreover, the experience of burning the Abrams, and not only, has long been generalized and studied.
    20. +1
      31 January 2023 10: 30
      When they publish footage of an ATGM hit from 5-8 km, there is only the "silhouette" of the tank and the projectile hits "in the center" ..... What secrets will we use? For this, they make a penetration of 1 meter. For the Lancets, maybe more, but they themselves will find holes in the roof. From the third time.
    21. +5
      31 January 2023 10: 31
      Any military equipment, during active hostilities, is destroyed, regardless of its quality. You need to ask the question differently! How much will be spent on one destroyed tank of Western production of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation: mines, shells, ATGMs, etc., and most importantly, soldiers' lives!
    22. 0
      31 January 2023 10: 31
      there is nothing perfect, he is a tank and a tank in Africa

      And who said that they are afraid of reputational risks? the NATO bloc seems to have no special alternatives in the purchase of tanks, and secondly, they will announce to the whole world that there are 1 t3 for 90 abrams, that's all, the kindergarten was bred
      it would be nice to grab a couple for the museum
      but the fact that we will watch how the tanks will cross the border like water through a colander is already a question to which there is no answer
    23. 0
      31 January 2023 10: 49
      Does Israel not plan to transfer its Merkavas? I wonder what the prize would be for the destruction?
      1. +1
        31 January 2023 11: 22
        Quote from Kalvadar
        I wonder what the prize would be for the destruction?

        Well, this tank would be more interesting than any Leclercs. Especially if the Merkava Mk.4.
        The National Interest predicted that he was able to defeat Armata as well. So the premium should be higher.
      2. +1
        1 February 2023 23: 41
        For all the time of its existence, not 1 Merkava has been exported. There were talks about Singapore, but apparently not fate. Georgia was not given. The tank under the AOI is made.
    24. BAI
      -1
      31 January 2023 11: 23
      there was a detonation of the ammunition of the "American". Then the press service of the Pentagon noted a statement about "wounding one of the crew members."
      and only 1 wounded? Yes, everything should turn to ashes.
      I hope the experience will be taken into account. Yesterday Solovyov showed several videos with the destruction of the Abrams. In the side they burn and explode for a sweet soul. Only our ingenious military command is sure to arrange a frontal attack.
      And on Zvezda they showed helicopters. Mi-28 burns any tank for 10 km. All you need is freedom of action in the air. Mi-28 - anti-tank helicopter. And it was designed to deal specifically with Western tanks
    25. 0
      31 January 2023 11: 39
      What is the best scrap we have?
      What is the abrams?
      1. -4
        31 January 2023 12: 53
        there are almost no scraps (if you are talking about anti-tank shells) worthy in our army
    26. +3
      31 January 2023 11: 46
      But the thing is, you hit these vulnerable spots, firstly the tank is on the move, and besides, everything can be at an uncomfortable angle. Therefore, it beats more often if only it doesn’t go past.
    27. +4
      31 January 2023 12: 00
      The Houthis in Yemen also effectively destroyed Abrams, not only Iraqis, and Abrams' new models.




      1. -1
        31 January 2023 13: 15
        unfortunately I see only one "destroyed" in the picture, the rest are "disabled" - just valiant crews abandoned damaged equipment
    28. +1
      31 January 2023 13: 27
      Quote: Vladimir80
      stupidity, the use of tanks in cities b.v. and in the steppes of the outskirts these are completely different things ... the main losses of tanks in the B.V. from ambush, in the steppe there simply will not be such an opportunity !!! but you continue to reassure the gullible ..


      In Ukraine, databases are kept only in the steppes? However, there are more cities there than in Iraq or Syria.
      1. -8
        31 January 2023 13: 57
        there are more cities there than in Iraq

        Are you talking about the upcoming defense of Simferopol, Donetsk or Luhansk???
    29. +1
      31 January 2023 13: 29
      Quote: Vladimir80
      unfortunately I see only one "destroyed" in the picture, the rest are "disabled" - just valiant crews abandoned damaged equipment


      If no less "valiant" Ukrainian crews do the same, let's say a friendly "thank you" to them.
      Like Jewelins and Stingers.
    30. +4
      31 January 2023 15: 45
      And if you don’t feed the Negro, who will be the automatic loading system ((
    31. +1
      31 January 2023 16: 16
      The Americans are sure that the Abrams cannot burn
    32. +2
      31 January 2023 16: 31
      Quote: hrych
      The first is the destruction of weapons and soldiers, and the second is what? If Nazism-Ukrainianism in the heads? Treated with head removal

      What do you specifically propose? Total destruction of the population of Ukraine?
      Because the idea of ​​Ukrainianism (nationalism) is there for everyone. And from nationalism to Nazism - less than one step.
      1. +3
        31 January 2023 17: 03
        I do not propose, but our army is already doing this. A stoned, incorrigible Ukronazi is ready to go kill and die for this idea. Those who left for Poland and yapping are not dangerous, let them hang out there, wash shocks, etc. Therefore, the stubborn ones are practically destroyed. This is an irreparable loss. We will retrain children, we will console widows. How else?
        1. -1
          31 January 2023 17: 31
          stubborn almost destroyed

          well, if so, then we are waiting for the towers to announce the achievement of their goals hi
        2. -4
          31 January 2023 17: 32
          Genocide? No, have not heard...
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          1. 0
            31 January 2023 18: 21
            On the contrary, the elimination of those who are engaged in genocide and preach it. We do not touch women, old people and children, the generation of stoned, young male Ukranazis is being destroyed. About the same amount and take Kyiv, Lvov, etc. Such is the tactic. Kutuzov and Barclay in general, only retreated, but surrendered the cities, but completely destroyed the Great Army, and then entered Paris without any problems and the Cossacks consoled the Frankish widows. Here I see a similar approach, where the goal is not the storming of cities and the offensive, but the utilization of enemy personnel.
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            2. -5
              31 January 2023 19: 43
              a generation of stubborn, young male Ukranazis is being destroyed.

              and the Cossacks consoled the Frankish widows

              You just now literally proposed to destroy all young Ukrainian men and rape all women. Don't you think you are sick?
              1. +1
                31 January 2023 21: 20
                Quote: Skeptik3
                rape all women

                Don't grind. It's you who is sick. No violence under fear of a tribunal. These are our lost sisters. Of course, objectively there will be a lack of men, they will find husbands in Russia.
                1. +1
                  2 February 2023 10: 59
                  Yes, that's for sure, it would be nice for Vladimir Vladimirovich to lift the legal ban on polygamy. At least for Muslims. (Although someone told me in the Bible, there is no direct prohibition)
                  1. 0
                    2 February 2023 14: 00
                    This is decided by mistresses and civil marriages. Also by divorce, a new wife is taken, but elements are paid. Plus, men will take the younger ones to the bedchamber.
                    1. 0
                      6 February 2023 14: 17
                      Chu, what kind of wife will tolerate mistresses? Moreover, our legislation is structured in such a way that a wife can leave a man with a bare ass. And then there would be the status of an official marriage with all the consequences.
                2. +1
                  4 February 2023 23: 37
                  Most Ukrainian women are worse nationalists than men, so they will have to be ... denazified. This is someone who didn’t take off in Europe, many of them defected to the DPR and LPR, there are also many ideological ones in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and they also ran to Russia.
            3. +1
              2 February 2023 10: 57
              If they had not rowed mainly from the eastern regions.
              1. +2
                2 February 2023 13: 57
                only now, regulars were recruited from ragul and giant cemeteries in the west
                1. 0
                  6 February 2023 14: 15
                  Your words would be in the ears of God, so that there would only be westerners with Poles and fight, and even better among themselves, then it’s generally beautiful.
    33. +2
      31 January 2023 19: 25
      Quote: hrych
      Let's get back to Abrams. Although during the invasion of Lebanon, it was the unacceptable losses of the Merkav that led to the shameful flight of the Tsakhal. After this shame, when our Kornets lowered them, the Israeli Ministry of Defense generally wanted to abandon the concept of a heavy tank, they wanted to make it smaller and lighter with an automatic loader ... like our tanks. They argued, argued, while they pushed the development of the heavy Merkava-5 as unpromising, while the beaten Merkava-4 was slapped. Cornet take them. And plans to seize the Lebanese superfield had to be put on hold until the fall of Syria, which did not happen. Also, the departure of the Americans from Iraq is due to the large losses of armored vehicles and vaunted Abrams. As a result, Iraq became a protectorate of Iran. They themselves overthrew the worst enemy - Saddam, who waged the Iran-Iraq war. Beaten imperialist dogs
      As it came down to it, the NATO concept of tanks had already failed. Merkava managed in Lebanon, Abrams in Iraq, so the Kurds also burned Turkish Leopards.

      Aren't you ashamed to write such nonsense?
      1. -1
        31 January 2023 21: 25
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Aren't you ashamed to write such nonsense?

        You write nonsense and you should be ashamed.
    34. +1
      31 January 2023 20: 10
      The US command has concerns that the Russian Armed Forces will use Iraqi data on Abrams and Iraqi experience in combating these tanks

      What for? It is necessary to tell the Ukrainians what reward they pay for this scrap metal, in parentheses you can immediately convert it into hryvnia and indicate the addresses of the collection points. laughing
      1. +1
        31 January 2023 23: 51
        We need to tell the bastards

        Oh, yes, they knew about it even before they told you about it. So the big question is who will report to whom. Bidding is already going on there, although the tanks have not yet arrived.
    35. +3
      1 February 2023 08: 44
      Why don't they want to send Abrams, but because they want to send German cats. all European armies should be armed with American tanks, it is a matter of making a profit, under any pretext it is necessary to replace leopards and then the leopard producer can wave his hand, a banal substitution of products, from one manufacturer to another. They have a supply, so they form demand, as with the Indians :)
    36. 0
      1 February 2023 09: 18
      That is, such an option as the fact that the Russian military will be able to figure out how to fight the Abrams themselves - will the American military sweep aside completely?
      Yes, even if you study experience - what's wrong with that? This is correct and logical, and it would be foolish to refuse it. And there is nothing to worry about this. Russia, on the other hand, is not very worried that you bought its weapons all over the world, disassembled them by screws, studied and identified the strengths and weaknesses of our weapons ...
    37. 0
      1 February 2023 22: 39
      According to a number of sources who have contacts with the command of the armored and cavalry brigades of the US Army, the Pentagon, and, accordingly, the US administration, "there are certain concerns about Ukraine in connection with the practice of using Abrams tanks during the Desert Storm operations" , as well as "Iraqi freedom", March 20, 2023 from the moment of which it will be 20 years old.

      let them be afraid, now time is working for us ....
    38. 0
      3 February 2023 22: 14
      The Iraqis do have experience. In the 9th armored division, by the way, there is a brigade on the M1A2, and there are brigades on the T-72M1 and T-90. They have the ability to compare.
    39. 0
      6 February 2023 10: 25
      Abrashi, Leopolds and others will not necessarily go on the attack. And in defense, this is a very dangerous enemy, heavily armored in front with a strong and accurate gun. I see here already 5-6 anti-tank groups will be typed.
      The second danger is the further supply of aircraft, air defense and further on the rise, red ribbons - like at a commissioning facility or at the Olympics, are torn with honor and special desire.
      Well, and most importantly, along the way, the goals of the amers and the Kremlin are still not clear to the masses. From the word at all.

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