Corruption in GLONASS: where are the perpetrators?

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One of the most mysterious corruption scandals of recent weeks is the scandal around Russian Space Systems OJSC associated with the GLONASS project. The fact is that if the suspects and perpetrators of the plundering of state property from the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Regional Development were called to the country, then in the case of the RCC everything looks far less clear. But, judging by the latest statements by law enforcement officials, the sums that appear in the case of corruption in the implementation of the GLONASS project look just astronomical - 6,5 billion rubles. This amount, by the way, is equal to one third of what was needed to be spent on the creation of the GLONASS satellite constellation, which has already taken its place in near-Earth space.

The extent of the embezzlement has been named, schemes for the withdrawal of budget funds have been drawn, even information has been received that the investigation has been working in this direction for about 2,5 years, but so far, at least at the time of preparing the publication, not a single suspect has been named. is named. No one embezzlement on such a large scale is incriminated. Strange ...

However, news agencies have replicated information that, by the order of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, such person as Yury Urlichich was removed from his post as general designer of OJSC RCS and the GLONASS project. He was appointed General Designer for the GLONASS project in 2006. However, the very removal of Urlichich from the post of the general designer of the outraged department and project is unlikely to fit in directly with the corruption scandal. After all, Yuriy Matevich Urlichich was deprived of the post of general designer, but he retained the post of general director of the company. It turns out that no special complaints about the management of Urlichich have yet arisen, which means that either he does not belong to the main persons involved in the case, or, as they say, it’s just not over yet ...

It should also be noted that the resignation of Yuri Urlichich from the post of general designer of the Russian Space Systems OJSC, judging by the comments of representatives of the Russian Government, was planned. It turns out that the head of Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, specifically on this occasion, addressed Dmitry Rogozin, explaining that the positions of the manager and chief creative officer at OJSC RCS should be separated in order for the work to be carried out more efficiently. In addition, there is information that the same Vladimir Popovkin, but already in conjunction with Anatoly Serdyukov (at that time still the Minister of Defense) in his letter explained to Dmitry Medvedev that there should be two general designers in GLONASS: one - responsible for the military component, and the other, respectively, for the civilian version of the use of the global positioning system.

After that, it turned out that the Ministry of Communications and Communications will be responsible for the civilian component, and the military cluster will be supervised by Nikolai Testoedov, who is the general designer (and director, by the way, too) of Information Satellite Systems. It turns out that Urlichich will manage both directions in the work of GLONASS.

But these are all matters, let's say, organizational, but what about corruption and embezzlement? So far, high-ranking Russian politicians have time to speak out on this topic, without mentioning any names, passwords or turnout. In particular, the head of the presidential administration, Sergey Ivanov, in one of his interviews recently announced that he was aware of the theft during the implementation of the GLONASS project as early as 2009-2010. According to Sergey Ivanov, it was at that time that the quotation: “at the level of sensations, suspicions began to arise that something was wrong ...” Then Ivanov, again, according to his own words, decided to hold a closed meeting with representatives of the investigating authorities, at which The schemes of withdrawal of funds from the environment for the direct implementation of the GLONASS project were provided. Ivanov himself asked the investigators to step up work.

On the one hand, it seems, everything is correct - a high-ranking government official gives the installation to law enforcement officers to take up investigations into the corruption case. But at the same time, the question arises: why did it take more than two years to wait to declare that the funds were being stolen ... Looking ahead of such claims, Sergey Ivanov himself explains that he simply tried, let's say, not to frighten the "big bird", which sang sweet grains coming from the state budget. Recall that the GLONASS project is estimated at 326 billion rubles, and in the stolen 6,5 billion are the classic 2% by now ...

If the “big bird” was tried not to be frightened, then all this becomes even more strange. story. Indeed, for many months the competent structures have been following the withdrawal of funds from the GLONASS budget, summed up the level of damage, however, even when the scandal became public knowledge, no criminal cases were brought ... Somehow, everything is not quite intelligible. If the same bird that allowed itself to peck too much, is now, then it knows for sure that the threads of the investigation will lead to its nest, and if it does, it can fly away in an unknown direction. Was it worth it to wait for 2,5 of the year and see how other people's wallets were full, and the satellites suspiciously often did not go into the proper orbit? The situation would be quite different in nature if the name of at least one person involved in the case were called out loudly, because to say that the investigation has not yet decided on the suspects is very, very strange.

In the meantime, the only “victims” in the department responsible for the implementation of the GLONASS project turned out to be far from the most important person in the RKS - press secretary Zubakhin. This is the same gentleman who charged all law enforcement officers with regard to the RKS about plundering funds from the GLONASS budget, said that “soon the police and police officers will make statements on the RKS and GLONASS”, and added to the law enforcement authorities ... , Mr. Zubakhin did not expect from himself, and therefore, after pulling out the press secretary from the Kremlin, the (secretary) had to write a statement on his own.

And during the establishment of a corruption scandal in the RCS, in which they still cannot find suspects, information comes from the RCS itself that there was no embezzlement of funds at all. It turns out that RKS allocated this money to its own employees, who were attached to other firms (such outsourcing) and simply agreed to work overtime. Why tax authorities didn’t know about this is still not clear ...

The data on the absolute purity of transactions came from lawyers of the RCC, who reported that claims to the work of the department regarding the use of funds had been made before, but only the Arbitration Court managed to make a dozen decisions that such claims were deprived of any basis. It turns out that the very one-day firms through which billions of companies went through were companies that were used exclusively to increase the productivity of OJSC RKS without hiring new employees ... It only remains to be clarified whether, with such intensive implementation of the project, ordinary employees of RKS even there would be lunch breaks (there is no speech at all on weekends and vacations). And in that case it is impossible to talk with any of the employees - everything is secret ...

In general, the “Russian space systems” are space-based, in order to reveal the secrets of their boundless distances to not all interested persons. And after all, what good, it will be possible to comprehend the essence of this interdepartmental universe ...
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  1. 0
    14 November 2012 08: 50
    Taburetkin Ivanov’s revenge the whole story with GLONASS)
    1. +10
      14 November 2012 08: 55
      Quote: Civil
      Taburetkin Ivanov’s revenge the whole story with GLONASS)

      Serdyukov is not in the right position to run and take revenge on someone. He is in disgrace and now everyone is at a distance from him, like I didn’t know, I didn’t see, I don’t know. There are a lot of corruption schemes, try to find all that was stolen, a bunch of one-day companies on the dummies, what, what, and they know how to steal. When will they learn to squeeze?
      1. +5
        14 November 2012 09: 31
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        When will they learn to squeeze?

        Judging by the frequency and scale of the schemes being uncovered, Putin decided to seriously concern himself with this issue. In any case, the untouchables are clearly reduced and this cannot but rejoice.
        1. +8
          14 November 2012 10: 48
          “Judging by the frequency and scale of the opened schemes, Putin decided to seriously attend to this issue. In any case, the number of untouchables has obviously diminished and this cannot but rejoice.

          Come on ... Putin cared .... He nurtured, cherished and cherished this bureaucratic oligarchy for many years and is not going to destroy it ... so, he’ll scold him a little. Already in the media, opinions are actively imposed that the resignation of Serdyukov was caused by disagreements and disagreements within the camarilla, and the reason for the resignation was the irrepressible craving for the women of Mr. Serdyukov. And then we, fools, thought that they took off for theft ...

          The president’s latest statements that officials need to be more modest are generally an indulgence to all thieves. In Russia, officials can be stolen, but you don’t need to stick out your wealth, and everything will be fine ...
          1. 0
            14 November 2012 21: 29
            Having taken this step with the promulgation of such bureaucratic abuse of GDP, you should be well aware that if you say A you will have to speak B and further in alphabetical order. It will not be possible to lower this matter on the brakes without the orginal damage to its image. And his statement - officials need to be more modest - is clearly unsuccessful, if taken seriously, and can be interpreted exactly as you write. But I really want to hope that this is the beginning of the long-awaited CLEANING process!
            1. 0
              15 November 2012 11: 10
              Quote: Goldmitro
              But I really want to hope that this is the beginning of the long-awaited CLEANING process!


              I'd like very much, colleague, very ...! But, judging by the latest news, hopes will not come true. Serdyukov has already been given a new place, dusty, so as not to shine ... The defendants of the Oboronservis case, it seems, will remain wicks in skirts ... The Kremlin godfather does not give up her ... I feel that everything will end quietly soon, just like with the Moscow Region prosecutors ...
        2. VLADIMIR700
          0
          14 November 2012 11: 35
          There is a castling lol
      2. +1
        14 November 2012 09: 48
        Serdyukov is not in the right position to run and take revenge on someone. He is in disgrace and now everyone is keeping his distance, like I didn’t know, I didn’t see, I don’t know


        well, before that, all he only sang laudatory odes))) as always, well, all the same, there is a war of incriminating evidence, no need to tell tales that they did not know before)
      3. 0
        14 November 2012 10: 31
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        When will they learn to squeeze?

        We always knew how to plant.
        But there was a trend - the more with *****, the shorter the suspended sentence. And vice versa, the main thing is to find the extreme.
      4. 0
        14 November 2012 21: 44
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Serdyukov is now in the wrong position


        Former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov has been appointed Advisor to the General Director of the Russian Technologies State Corporation.
        The appointment of Anatoly Serdyukov has already taken place. In the near future he will take up the duties of adviser to the general director of the state corporation "Russian Technologies"
      5. +1
        14 November 2012 21: 51
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Serdyukov is not in the right position to run and take revenge on someone. He is in disgrace and now everyone is keeping his distance, like I didn’t know, I didn’t see, I don’t know.

        Why so naive? Serdyukov jumped from one chair to another and that's all ............... again in chocolate !!!! Here is the latest info:
        Former Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov received a new appointment - he became an adviser to the general director of the state corporation Rostekhnologii, a source close to the state corporation told Interfax-AVN on Wednesday.

        According to him, the appointment has already taken place, in the near future Serdyukov will begin to perform duties.
    2. +3
      14 November 2012 09: 03
      In connection with the foregoing, the question arises: is it not too often?

      In December 2010, three GLONASS navigation satellites were lost. In February of this year, due to improper operation of the upper stage, the Geo-IK-2 military geodetic satellite was lost in August of this year. On August 18, the new Russian communications satellite Express-AM4 launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome did not enter the target geostationary orbit. Almost a week after this incident, the Soyuz-U launch vehicle with the Progress cargo transport ship was launched M-12M ". However, at start-up, the launch vehicle installation engines were disconnected. As a result, the spacecraft crashed in the territory of the Altai Republic.
    3. traveler
      +1
      14 November 2012 09: 28
      They are trying to lower the case "on the brakes" !!! Theft is out of the question, abuse is accused, which means those who stole 6 rubles. in the worst case (for them) they will receive suspended sentences
      The GLONASS case, which is being investigated by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, qualifies under the heading “abuse of authority in a commercial organization” rather than “theft”, they write "Vedomosti" with reference to a representative of the capital’s headquarters of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

      According to the representative of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Moscow, there are no detainees and defendants in this case yet.


      “In early June, a criminal case was initiated under the article“ Abuse of authority in a commercial organization ”
      “Operational development was conducted for three years, and in early June, the investigative part of the 4th Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs opened a criminal case under article 201 of the Criminal Code (abuse of authority in a commercial organization). On July 3 and November 7, searches were conducted in the case, ”a Vedomosti source said.
      1. +4
        14 November 2012 09: 36
        Quote: traveler
        Already there is no question of theft, they are charged with abuse, which means those who stole 6 rubles. in the worst case scenario (for them) they will receive conditional terms

        Normally, stole 6.500 rubles, get 6 years in total, stole 6.5 billion, get conditional what
        1. traveler
          0
          14 November 2012 09: 40
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Normally, stole 6.500 rubles, get 6 years in total, stole 6.5 billion, get conditional

          Well, that’s the way it is, stole 1 rub in jail, stole 1 000 000 000 rub - you are an effective manager
          Former head of one of the departments of the Rosatom department of the company Sergey Kolobaev, accused of involvement in the theft of more than 46 million rubles, left the pre-trial detention center, lawyer Irina Poverinova said on Tuesday.

          According to her, Kolobaev was released on Tuesday evening after the documents for the release of the defendant on the security entered the pre-trial detention center. “Now he's free,” said Poverinova, Interfax reports.


          The main thing is to steal so that enough for a pledge and a comfortable life
          1. +1
            14 November 2012 10: 07
            traveler
            Quote: traveler
            accused of involvement in the theft of more than 46 million rubles,

            I’ll add a little. Yesterday there was information that in several cases the amount was about 100 million rubles. A pledge of 5 million. wink
    4. Lucky
      0
      14 November 2012 10: 49
      Large-scale corruption is equated with treason to the motherland !! Well, the appropriate period, up to a lifelong one, that was!
    5. Nickname
      0
      14 November 2012 12: 56
      Yes, no revenge. Just scheduled cleaning. Then everything settles down and goes the old way.
      And Ivan the bug is one! What a pitchfork all his career.
      1. 0
        14 November 2012 19: 01
        Quote: Nickname
        Just scheduled cleaning

        And who is the main cleaner? Who is this hero?
        1. 0
          14 November 2012 23: 44
          Quote: Karabin
          Who is this hero?


          And who is he, that hero?
          The subject of popular faith.
          Who is this "Prometheus"?
          Someone who ... yes a horse in a coat!
          Under the hat of the horn and smells of sulfur.
          But recommended to us as a saint.

          T. Shaov.
  2. borisst64
    +8
    14 November 2012 08: 55
    "a high-ranking government official instructs law enforcement officers to start investigating a corruption case"

    Because if they are indignant without a team, they will indignant for them. I wonder if there are prosecutors in the country who have no business behind them?
    1. +1
      14 November 2012 09: 11
      borisst64,
      There is no national control, there is no work. One scheme of kickbacks and cuts in the head of current managers. Then decide these puzzles! Once again, they will find one scapegoat and calm down. Who will be the only ones in this industry?
      I think that they themselves do not know yet! Laws have been created for yourself for 20 years by yourself!
  3. zampoli63
    +2
    14 November 2012 09: 09
    Of course, as always, he did not know anything, being the head of the company)))) and the money was withdrawn without his participation00))). how do you imagine that? The country of imposed idiocy.
    1. +3
      14 November 2012 10: 18
      Quote: zampoli63

      Of course, as always, he did not know anything, being the head of the company)))) and the money was withdrawn without his participation00))). how do you imagine that?

      Yes, here's how we present it. The most amazing thing is that not a single law enforcement agency says a word
      The "untouchable" ex-subordinate of Serdyukov was under investigation

      publication time: 09: 24
      last update: 10: 01





      Law enforcement agencies have come to grips with people from the environment of the former Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov, who worked with him in the Federal Tax Service, and then transferred to the structure of the defense department. Under investigation was another of his former subordinates - Olga Stepanova. Until the summer of 2011, she served as an adviser to the head of Rosoboronpostavka, the federal agency for the supply of weapons, military, special equipment and materiel.

      Stepanova is a notorious person. The name of the former head of the 28th Tax Inspectorate of Moscow five years ago was mentioned in connection with the case of embezzlement of 5,4 billion rubles from the budget. Hermitage Capital lawyer Sergei Magnitsky was one of those who accused Stepanova of embezzlement by illegally recovering income tax paid by companies under the management of the fund.

      - "Corruption" on federal TV: experts are guessing about the consequences for Serdyukov
      - A new episode has appeared in the Oboronservis case: the damage has grown to 5 billion. am
  4. vylvyn
    +6
    14 November 2012 09: 13
    Quote - "Then Ivanov, again in his own words, decided to hold a closed meeting with representatives of the investigating authorities, at which schemes for the withdrawal of funds from the environment for the direct implementation of the GLONASS project were presented. Ivanov himself asked the investigators to intensify their work."

    It strongly reminded the story of how a couple of days ago Serdyukov asked the investigation to conduct the most objective and comprehensive investigation into the Rosoboronservis case, standing in family shorts next to naked Vasilyeva.
    1. +1
      14 November 2012 09: 51
      vylvyn,


      Silent for 2 years))))
  5. +1
    14 November 2012 09: 51
    Space is a dark matter. And if in Roskosmos they say that the money flew away, then this is literal. And the question "where?" everyone there is considered absurd. In general, it is a gold mine for officials. And government money is flying, just not into space, but to other accounts in offshore areas. And there are no guilty ones, what is most important - space is a dark matter!
  6. lakt2008
    0
    14 November 2012 09: 54
    The point will be set when someone is planted and this event would be covered in the same bright light as the volumes of theft - and many were planted?
  7. +6
    14 November 2012 09: 54
    "The head of the Kremlin administration, Sergei Ivanov, learned about the theft of budget funds for the development of GLONASS two years ago.
    But he was silent to corrupt officials ...
    "

    Silence is gold .. For some ..
    1. +2
      14 November 2012 10: 03
      Quote: sanyabasik
      Head of the Kremlin Administration Sergey Ivanov ,,,
      was silent ... "


      In the United States, he would have been a couple of lifelong "kept silent"in China would have been shot "for silence ...", we will be awarded ..
  8. merkel1961
    +3
    14 November 2012 09: 57
    It is interesting to compare the rampant corruption schemes and "reform" of the Armed Forces with the deployment in the media of the process of de-Stalinization, launched at the behest of Medvedev. The more indignation and criticism aroused by Serdyukov's actions to give a "new" appearance among our citizens in uniform and without, the wider the scale of false historical crafts in the film industry, Posner, Mlechin and Svanidze worked hard in denigrating our history. Belolentochniki and their patrons in power sensed the approach of change, the entire anti-Russian gang consolidated in a jerk and was blown away. state wheels will not be cleaned out, there will be no complete victory over the pro-Western wing in the country.
    1. 0
      14 November 2012 19: 06
      Quote: merkel1961
      It is interesting to compare the rampant corruption schemes and the "reform" of the Armed Forces with the unfolding of the de-Stalinization process in the media, launched at the suggestion of Medvedev.


      Damn, again the State Department!
  9. Igor
    +7
    14 November 2012 09: 58
    at the time of preparation of the publication, not a single name has been named as a suspect. No one is robbed of embezzlement on such a large scale. Strange ...


    There is nothing strange in this, just now there is the appointment of the guilty person on top, who needs to be transferred to another position, who needs to be retired, and the pension should be several hundred thousand rubles so that he does not talk too much.

    Yes it is everywhere like this:

    The governor of the Astrakhan region, Alexander Zhilkin, in his "Live Journal" responded to the accusations of Alexei Navalny of the intention of the regional leadership to purchase two luxury cars "Mercedes" for their needs.

    Zhilkin stressed that budget funds were not allocated for the purchase of these cars, and this is "easy to check." "Yes, I would not give it," the governor noted, specifying that extrabudgetary funds have been attracted to renew the fleet of the regional authorities.

    Let us remind you that on the website of the State Procurement Agency, the Transport Department of the Government of the Astrakhan Region, JSC placed an order for the purchase of two Mercedes cars worth 5,5 and 6,2 million rubles.



    The plundered Russian Agricultural Bank will again be saved at the expense of dear Russians
    The Agricultural Bank again asks for money from the state - 40 billion rubles allocated from the budget to the capital of the agrarian bank did not last long - its capital will again have to be increased by the same amount by the end of the year, Vedomosti writes. The situation of the RSHB has recently been actively discussed in the government, a White House official said. Based on the discussion, officials concluded that the bank would have to help. By the end of the year, the state will contribute 40 billion rubles to its capital, three participants in the discussion and a source close to another participant in the discussion told the publication.

    For this, amendments to the 2012 budget are now being prepared, three interlocutors of the newspaper were assured. They will be adopted closer to the end of the year, funds were found thanks to the surplus that appeared in the treasury. In addition to additional capital, RSHB needs a balance clearing, one of the publication’s sources claims: “The Bank also insists on transferring part of the troubled assets from its balance sheet to an amount significantly exceeding these 40 billion. There are troubled assets, but the bank itself does not know their size, another participant in the meeting devoted to RSHB noted. Decisions about who exactly will buy the bad assets of the RSHB have not yet been made, an employee of the government apparatus assured.

    Ha ha ha! That is, they themselves do not even imagine the scale of how many joint ventures they have .... whether (a more correct equivalent of the term "bad assets") all sorts of "agricultural crooks" in a share with the top managers of the bank. Only one thing is the Krasnodar Mayak. 26 billion rubles of the issued loans disappeared irretrievably. And in the RSHB there are such "beacons" - like mud. http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2021175

    And now they again climb into the pockets of taxpayers to cover up their own theft and "efficiency". And they will. How not to give, when the son of Patrushev now rules, Dmitry Nikolaevich. But dad has nothing to do with you. Just such a talented guy. 35 years. In 2004 he came to work at VTB, and after 3 years he was already a senior vice president. And after five more - the CEO of the largest state bank with assets of almost 1 trillion. rubles.
    1. +2
      14 November 2012 11: 19
      That's right, but I had a concrete example of a collective farm, which needed to take out a loan of 100 million for the development of the meat direction (in principle, a small amount, especially since they scraped up some of them, as they say), the development plan was ideal, since it was not managers who made up, but people who have worked in the countryside for decades, the result after 6 months of collecting documents, running through the authorities, some girl of about 25 years old told us by phone from Moscow, your project is risky and we cannot give you, but if we got 20% percent and it turned out, this is our Rosselkhoz bank, it helps the village as "can" ..... The situation in general is such that Stalin's methods will only help, here, as they say, there is no one to re-educate ...
  10. +8
    14 November 2012 10: 01
    Article and author +.
    Why? Very true and correct, showed what is happening with us.
    HERE - YARD, IN THE YARD - COLLE, ON THE COLLA - BORROW ... START AT FIRST.
    In short: "Fuck YOU (we) will figure it out."
    Or like Vysotsky:
    "He said breaking his hands,
    Krasnobay and balamut.
    About the powerlessness of science,
    Before the secret of Bermuda.
    He broke all brains into pieces,
    He crept all the gyrus
    And the Kanatchikovs (you can - pro-Putin) authorities
    Kolyut us second injection. "

    The author, as I understand it, only tried to voice, having gathered together, the entire ABSURD of the situation.
    To the author +. Thank.
    1. +1
      14 November 2012 19: 09
      Quote: Z.A.M.
      And the Kanatchikovs (you can - pro-Putin) authorities,
      They give us a second injection. "

      +, but the fourth injection.
  11. Igor
    +6
    14 November 2012 10: 04
    The total amount of losses due to violations during the design and construction of facilities for the APEC summit in Vladivostok amounted to more than 15 billion rubles. Such conclusions were made following an audit of the targeted and effective use of public funds, conducted by the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation.

    According to the press service of the department, during the audit, facts were revealed of the inefficient use of funds allocated from the state budget - payment for outstanding work, unpaid advances, gross miscalculations of designers and builders.

    By the opening of the summit, which took place on September 2, 2012, only 23 out of 67 objects were commissioned. However, most of them were built in the absence of part of the necessary documentation.

    Two five-star hotels, an opera and ballet theater, and other facilities were not delivered on time. The responsibility for their readiness lies with the customer - the administration of Primorsky Krai.

    “The total amount of violations identified as a result of inspections in 2008-2012 amounted to more than 15 billion rubles,” the Accounts Chamber said in a statement.



    In the Voronezh region, a criminal case has been opened against the former chairman of the City Duma, suspected of abuse of power.

    According to the investigation, he "acting contrary to the interests of the service out of selfish and personal interest", together with his wife, went to rest in France, using for this purpose local budget funds of almost a million rubles.

    The total value of the official’s voyage amounted to almost a million rubles. The incident itself happened back in 2008, when Alexander Shipulin served as chairman of the City Duma.

    After the scandal and the initiation of the case, the United Russia party removed Shipulin from the post of chairman of the city Duma and appointed him deputy chairman of the city Duma. laughing
    1. 0
      14 November 2012 10: 16
      Quote: Igorek
      "United Russia" removed Shipulin from the post of chairman of the city Duma and appointed him deputy chairman of the city Duma


      good laughing
    2. +1
      14 November 2012 10: 17
      Igor

      + To you for your comments ...
      And I will be banal - their name is LEGION ... and examples and people ...
  12. cool.ya-nikola
    +1
    14 November 2012 10: 27
    According to the caustic remark of Mikhail Zhvanetsky: "The Russian navigation system GLONASS - leads to prison!"
  13. +3
    14 November 2012 10: 35
    here Igor cited official data, not some rumors. Then my question is, where are the lifelong plantings, at least according to these data? Or are dismissals considered to be sufficient punishment now?
    1. 0
      14 November 2012 12: 35
      That is the whole point that they play their own games, only they understand. There is an assumption that we will either find out about the goals of these "games" when everything will "take place", or we will never know at all ...
  14. +1
    14 November 2012 10: 54
    Cockroaches began to devour each other.

    Everyone is knocking on everyone with terrible force, and then they will scream - Stalin is to blame for the fact that 37 has arranged, tfu - Putin has set up another Holocaust ....
    "Russia has entered a decisive phase in the struggle of two power groups"
    http://klin.ucoz.net/news/rossija_vstupila_v_reshajushhuju_fazu_borby_dvukh_vlas
    tnykh_gruppirovok / 2012-11-14-366
  15. +7
    14 November 2012 11: 16
    It is difficult to work within the framework of existing budget laws and in conditions where 2..3 reviewing officials are accounted for by each engineer.
    Do you want to buy some app. part - conduct a tender. And if the manufacturer of this part is one?
    Money came under defense orders in December - I am obliged to use it by December 31. Otherwise, they will have to be returned.
    There are many more such examples.
    In such conditions, absolutely all defense enterprises create intermediary firms that allow avoiding budget deadlocks. Naturally someone steals, you need to check the facts. But one cannot definitely say that the presence of such companies as Sinertek is corruption.
  16. AK-47
    +3
    14 November 2012 11: 32
    according to recent statements by law enforcement officials, the amounts that appear in the case of corruption components during the implementation of the GLONASS project look simply astronomical - 6,5 billion rubles

    The article is interesting, but a bit premature. Judge for yourselves: the investigation is not completed, the defendants have not been established, there was no trial. A fly in the ointment already. And if tomorrow law enforcement agencies recognize the fallacy of the charges, the more the damage is not big - only 2% of the project amount. It is well within production costs.
    Here is another interesting phrase
    schemes for withdrawing funds from the environment for the direct implementation of the GLONASS project

    I would like to know what withdrawal schemes can take place in this case?
    If this is corruption in the form of a bribe, then this is practically unprovable, but what else?

    An old joke about this:
    Recoilless gun
    Recently, a draft of a new recoilless gun was presented.
    And rejected by officials of the Ministry of Defense.
    The name itself did not like.
  17. +11
    14 November 2012 11: 34
    sweet seeds coming from the state budget. Recall that the GLONASS project is estimated at 326 billion rubles, while 6,5 billion are stolen yes all the hens of the country can be fed !!!!!!!! fig-imagine grains !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said, Joseph Vissarionovich - To shoot (and in deed) I apologize in advance for the picture - well, it hurts already in the subject
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    1. Mikado
      +6
      14 November 2012 12: 56
      There are few shootings here - shooting with confiscation of the property of the whole family, all my relatives in the cold, who managed to escape for the cordon to find and eliminate, before that, having tested the numbers of bank accounts, etc. So win!
  18. Tylerdurden
    +2
    14 November 2012 12: 34
    To the wall of such for high treason.
  19. +10
    14 November 2012 12: 55
    Gone off ....
    After Serdyukov's resignation, everyone is demanding "landings." And where did we all get that resignation due to theft? Did they write to us in the media? And did we believe?
    Now Glonas, Roscosmos, the Summit in Vladik, and again in the comments - "plant!", "Shoot", "only Stalin's methods." Yes, not for planting all this. In my opinion, this is another "PR" - campaign. Well, judge for yourself; who does not know or did not know what is being stolen? Yes, everyone knew, from the last homeless person to the president (or is our president less informed than a homeless person?) For years they knew, so what? No reaction from the authorities.
    So it was intended. Khazin is right, they did not strive for power in order to be responsible for their actions. Our elite is above the law. All bureaucrats and semi-state merchants sacredly observe the "no attack pact" with the president. They are loyal to the higher authorities - the higher authorities are loyal to corruption and theft. Everyone is happy, everyone is laughing. So don't wait for landings. As soon as serious, real landings begin, the President will lose his support among the elite and bureaucracy. And this is not permissible.
    So what should the president do? As always; the consequences of their own inaction turn to their own benefit. People demand the fight against theft and corruption? You are welcome! In the media, we are inflating the company about this very struggle and we are shooting completely odious and presumptuous characters. We will not plant anyone, (with our courts, their money and clever lawyers, this is still not possible) there is enough hype in the press and three or four switchmen to calm the masses. The effect is achieved. We have a good president again.
    1. +1
      14 November 2012 13: 55
      Normal
      Comment +.
      You really are normal. I would even say sane. drinks
      1. +3
        14 November 2012 14: 06
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        You really are normal

        Yes, I know .... But the thing ... The thing is where to put it? laughing
  20. 0
    14 November 2012 13: 58
    Quote: AK-47
    Recoilless gun

    laughing you can’t imagine any worse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! long rzhall !!!!!!!!! BRAVO! laughing
  21. 0
    14 November 2012 14: 43
    "Normal" and "Z.AM." - there are enough positive aspects in your posts, but ... let's wait at least a quarter, or half a year for the actions of the newly formed team, and corruption scandals will acquire the desired "sharpness" or even lose "focus" - a very interesting mosaic begins to take shape. drinks
    1. TekhnarMAF
      0
      14 November 2012 16: 51
      Well, "where can the poor peasant go?" - wait and see.
      1. +1
        14 November 2012 19: 33
        Quote: TehnarMAF
        wait and see

        stolen yet - replenish the budget with taxes, live with the same salaries.
    2. dmb
      +2
      14 November 2012 20: 30
      It is not entirely clear what "new team" you are talking about. Is this Shoigu a new team? Or, a new team moved from ministers to advisers to Fursenko and company? Explain to everyone and to yourself, first of all, why Mrs. Vasilyeva is so seriously ill? An hour not venereal? I think that Kvachkov, who has been in jail for more than a year, has accumulated much more ailments for his service than this lovely lady. However, this did not prevent either his interrogation or his arrest.
  22. +3
    14 November 2012 20: 52
    Events, first in the Moscow Region, then with GLONASS showed what military-space heights in Russia theft reached. Is a full-fledged investigation profitable for the authorities, with the identification of the main defendants? Definitely - no, otherwise the self-liquidation of the system. Putin is not the initiator of all these proceedings. Finding Serdyukov in a searched apartment, this is confirmation. I don’t think that the head of state, being aware of the events, would allow such a passage with the Minister of Defense, if only he did not intend to destroy it. The destruction was clearly not planned, followed, after the Moscow pause, only resignation with thanks. The promulgation of the Glonassian frauds also looked somewhat strange, because the first was widely told about this by the police rank ... of the Moscow metro.
    There is only one conclusion from all this - Putin was not aware of the impending mess. The porridge was brewed by the nearest neighbors on their own. And the versions that the furniture problems happened not without Ivanov’s participation, but the Glonassian incident - a farewell bite of a heart, have a right to exist.
    All of Putin’s real actions are aimed at fixing his tarnished reputation. Hence, Shoigu and PR in the media about the alleged creation of something new and effective. And no one explains why in a country with almost a million employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, about 100 thousand FSB officers (without border guards) and 63 thousand prosecutors, over the years, such things happen in areas whose strategic importance can not be overestimated.
    1. Igor
      0
      15 November 2012 06: 30
      Quote: Karabin
      And no one explains why in a country with almost a million employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, about 100 thousand FSB officers (without border guards) and 63 thousand prosecutors, over the years, such things happen in areas whose strategic importance can not be overestimated.


      There is still an investigative committee and FSKN. In my opinion, the only one who opens such thefts in spite of party affiliation is the Accounts Chamber, but it does not have the right to initiate proceedings based on the results of the audit.
  23. Brother Sarych
    0
    14 November 2012 21: 07
    Uh, at these smart people someone cut the cable to the MCC - and nothing! They cannot find a place, but the satellites themselves, as well as the ISS ...
    One hope that the Americans will hedge ...
    And if so someone connects cables to strategic missiles - then what?
  24. 0
    23 November 2012 07: 07
    Who does not know - Shoigu until mid-2011 was one of the curators of Glonass ... the mafia is immeasurable ...

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