“In the Ukrainian army, Soviet-style machine guns are almost over”: Wagner PMC fighters are increasingly encountering MG-42

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“In the Ukrainian army, Soviet-style machine guns are almost over”: Wagner PMC fighters are increasingly encountering MG-42

The Ukrainian army is inexorably approaching the “NATO standards”, losing in battles the materiel inherited from the USSR and switching instead to Western models of weapons, which are sometimes seriously inferior in combat effectiveness to the former Soviet systems.

As the Wagner PMC fighters, who are the main assault force in the Artyomovsky direction, say, in battles with Ukrainian troops they are increasingly confronted with German machine guns.



Mainly used MG-42. In the Ukrainian army, our (Soviet-style) machine guns are almost over. Russian machine guns [PK, PKM] come across, but more often, the last month and a half, mainly MG-42

- indicate the "Wagnerites" in interview RIA News.

We are talking about the product MG-42/59. This is a product of a post-war conversion of the original Wehrmacht MG-42 machine guns to NATO standards, during which the barrel and parts of the tape feed unit were replaced to use 7.62x51 mm ammunition (instead of 7.92x57).

MG-42/59 loses to the Soviet PKM in terms of weight (11,5 kg versus 7,5 kg excluding ammunition). The German product has a belt feed, which, perhaps, somewhat improves the conduct of a defensive battle, however, the placement of PKM cartridges in the box makes it easier to operate the Soviet machine gun on the move, for example, when changing positions. The MG-42 has a high rate of fire, but in the post-war period, all Western machine guns of the same type, on the contrary, took the path of its reduction, as this made it possible to reduce the rate of heating of the barrel and the consumption of ammunition.

The MG-42/59 is an anachronism in the armies of Germany and Italy, which they easily get rid of by handing over obsolete machine guns to the Kyiv regime.

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  1. +20
    31 January 2023 06: 00
    MG suits them better, especially those who wear national symbols, they are proud of it.
    1. +4
      31 January 2023 06: 03
      Yeah, back in 14-15 they were kidding, but they were single. Still wondering where. Well, now, let's say, supplies, but then where did they come across? Really from the Carpathian caches?
      1. +5
        31 January 2023 06: 06
        Bingo hi, rather leftist schemes through 3 countries. Wait, it’s clear everything is centralized.
        1. +14
          31 January 2023 06: 29
          There will be tens of thousands of these MGs around the world in service and storage. After World War II, Western countries recognized the high efficiency of this machine gun at that time and put it into service. Mainly for armored vehicles .. It was also in service in the countries of the socialist camp
        2. +2
          31 January 2023 13: 34
          I think the Czechs got banged up ... they drove the "Messer" to Israel after the war, so I won't be surprised ...
      2. +4
        31 January 2023 06: 16
        Quote from Bingo
        Still wondering where.

        In the area of ​​Artemovsk, in the old salt mines, arsenals with captured weapons and old Soviet ones, dating back to the times of the USSR, were opened.
        "Maxims", DP-27 .... it didn't come from them out of thin air
        1. 0
          31 January 2023 06: 23
          Warehouses in the USSR were full of such weapons. In the 90s, gun lovers could purchase both Maxims and various Degtyarev machine guns, Mosinki, 1944 carbines, etc. Naturally emasculated.
          1. +2
            31 January 2023 07: 54
            ZiD and Molot at one time protected both diesel fuel, and Maxim from the stocks of the Moscow Region, as well as PPSh, AK, SKS and mosquitoes, could be freely bought as a hunting carbine under a rifled license. They just put rim marks, and automatic fire was removed from automatic fire machines and machine guns
            1. +10
              31 January 2023 14: 41
              Quote: svp67
              In the area of ​​Artemovsk, in the old salt mines, arsenals with captured weapons and old Soviet ones, dating back to the times of the USSR, were opened.

              In post-war warehouses, MG-42 machine guns chambered for 7,92 × 57 mm Mauser could lie,
              and in Ukraine now, as it was said, they are fighting with machine guns chambered for 7,62x51 mm adopted by NATO, which means that they are fighting with machine guns not MG-42, but MG1, MG2, MG3, MG42 / 59, etc. Ie - deliveries from abroad.
              1. +2
                1 February 2023 12: 00
                When I served in the GSVG, I personally saw a warehouse stuffed to the ceiling with uniforms from the times of the Second World War.
                I'm sure there were similar armories soldier
          2. -2
            1 February 2023 08: 45
            Quote: AlexVas44
            Warehouses in the USSR were full of such weapons. In the 90s, gun lovers could purchase both Maxims and various Degtyarev machine guns, Mosinki, 1944 carbines, etc. Naturally emasculated.

            I thought most of them were handed over to all sorts of rebels during the Soviet era.
        2. +10
          31 January 2023 09: 00
          Well, actually, I somehow got used to the fact that MG-42s converted to a cartridge (7,62x51 mm) are called MG-3s ...! winked
          1. +14
            31 January 2023 10: 26
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            MG-42s converted to a cartridge (7,62x51 mm) are called MG-3s...!

            support! good in addition, the MG-3 is a fairly recent modification. that is, it is not a 42 MG-1945 with a replacement barrel.
            there is manipulation. an attempt to create the illusion that parasei have weapons from the time of the Great Patriotic War, but this is not so. No.
            1. +4
              1 February 2023 14: 01
              Quote: SanichSan
              there is manipulation.

              I agree, there is no reason to belittle, besides, the MG-42 machine gun is excellent.
          2. +5
            1 February 2023 08: 49
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Well, actually, I somehow got used to the fact that MG-42s converted to a cartridge (7,62x51 mm) are called MG-3s ...! winked

            At the end of the war, the career of the MG 42, widely recognized as one of the best machine guns not only in World War II, but in general in the unified class, continued. So, since the late 1950s, West Germany has been adopting variants of the MG 42, with changes chambered for 7,62 × 51 mm NATO (and others, including 7,5 mm), first under the designation MG 42/59, later - MG3. A single MG3 machine gun received an improved flash suppressor, a set of two bolts - light and heavy, more reliable barrels, and a mount for sniper scopes [2]. The same machine gun is still in service in Serbia, Croatia, Israel, Turkey, Greece, the USA (where it is also produced in a small series), India, Egypt, Poland, and in a number of NATO member countries (and not only). In Yugoslavia, the MG 42, under the name Zastava M53, was in service until the 2000s in the version chambered for the original 7,92x57 mm cartridge. Switzerland adopted a machine gun variant under the MG 51 index chambered for its 7,5 × 55 mm cartridge in 1951, and a few years later SIG Sauer developed several commercial (export) variants based on it chambered for 6,5 × 55 mm and 7,92 ×57 mm, but a lighter analogue of the Rheinmetall MG3, the SIG MG 710-3 chambered for the NATO cartridge, went into production.
      3. -1
        31 January 2023 06: 43
        The note clearly says: Germany and Italy.
      4. +3
        1 February 2023 11: 33
        Mg 42 is an anachronism? Rate of fire, reliability, interchangeable barrel, accuracy. If you also put 4x optics on a stationary machine and attach XNUMXx optics
    2. Mwg
      -6
      31 January 2023 09: 00
      Yeah, but if they get the "tiger" tank, they will generally be happy until loose stools
      1. AAC
        0
        31 January 2023 09: 16
        He alone remained. Historically, it is of great value.
  2. 0
    31 January 2023 06: 10
    I wonder where, with such an intensity of fighting and consumption of B.K., they take 5,45 × 39 cartridges, is it possible that the countries of the Warsaw Pact are still supplying.
    1. 0
      31 January 2023 07: 38
      Bulgarians were recently fired by the Germans about the supply of ammunition to Svidomites
  3. +9
    31 January 2023 06: 23
    but more often, the last month and a half, mostly MG-42
    Let's be objective - the machine gun is not bad, although outdated. But like any foreign weapon entails problems. And the first of them is cartridges, which also need to be supplied from abroad. Other shortcomings in comparison with the PC are described by the author.
    MG-42 / 59 is an anachronism in the armies of Germany and Italy, from which they easily get rid of,
    That is why these machine guns are increasingly found in Ukraine.
    1. +3
      31 January 2023 06: 44
      Don't tell. MG 43 and its modifications are still in service with the Turkish army. This is where most likely the cartridges come from
    2. +5
      31 January 2023 08: 47
      What is there to become obsolete! Reliable car! They are crammed all over the world under different names ... a lot.
      Browning 1919 remember...
  4. Eug
    +8
    31 January 2023 06: 25
    According to the memoirs of front-line soldiers, our scouts preferred to provide the actions of reconnaissance groups with just such a machine gun - despite the strict requirement of special officers to hand over all captured weapons. As for me, this is a clear evidence of his high fighting qualities. And it turns out a "smooth" transition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to NATO caliber cartridges, and they, especially 7.62x51, are scattered around the world with a cart and a small cart .....
    1. -2
      31 January 2023 07: 07
      According to the memoirs of front-line soldiers, our scouts preferred to provide the actions of reconnaissance groups with just such a machine gun

      And how were these machine guns provided to the actions of reconnaissance groups? What actions?
    2. +4
      31 January 2023 07: 14
      According to the memoirs of veterans,

      My father's favorite weapon. In divisional intelligence from the beginning of 43 until the end of the war with Japan ...
      They took away the trophy constantly, however ... PPSh, Walter (father preferred parabelum and something small, mostly Mausar) and MG - that's what they preferred ... despite the weight of the PPSh. And the rate of fire - for this they loved MG and PPSh, and not PPS ...
      As for the very outdated one - not so much ... AK47 is also not very outdated, although it is considered an anachronism in our (and not only) army.
      Yes, and cartridges - why suddenly rely on Soviet calibers with broken (I hope) cartridge factories? It is high time for them to switch to NATO.
    3. -1
      31 January 2023 12: 54
      Can you post a link to your memories? Something is doubtful that the scouts would carry a 12 kg fool in search.
      1. 0
        1 February 2023 19: 23
        Quote from xunno
        it is doubtful that the scouts would carry a 12 kg fool in search.

        Well, now the DRG, both ours and the Ukrainians, are carrying a PC with them ...
      2. +1
        2 February 2023 01: 11
        Can you post a link to your memories? Something is doubtful that the scouts would carry a 12 kg fool in search.

        I don’t know about other scouts, but for my father and a couple of his front-line friends whom I knew, carrying 12 kilograms with their height, weight and strength was not at all a problem ... Even at the age of 60.
  5. +4
    31 January 2023 06: 46
    The fact that the MG-42 is overkill. Quite a normal weapon, anything is better than the American M-60.
  6. +3
    31 January 2023 06: 49
    The legendary MG-42. "Hitler's sewing machine". Let it be converted to the standard of cartridges
    NATO. It remains to remember (a curious video came under viewing) "The executioner of Omaha Beach."
    Where 12000 rounds of ammunition were shot from it, of course, changing the swap, and then another 400 rounds
    from the Mauser carbine.
    1. AAC
      0
      31 January 2023 09: 22
      "Hitler's sewing machine"

      the more common name is "Hitler's Circular Saw" or simply "Hitler's Saw"
  7. -2
    31 January 2023 07: 52
    Thor, have you ever fired any MG?
    why write this nonsense - to us?
  8. +6
    31 January 2023 08: 23
    I think you should not pour mud on one of the best infantry machine guns of the 20th century.
    The machine is certainly old, but universal and shoots well and reliably.
    A box store for him, by the way, is also available in the standard kit, as well as for a PC, why the Nazis do not use it, this is another question.
    A high rate of fire is not a drawback, it is an increased density of fire, and a mass of 11 kg allows you to maintain acceptable accuracy. In addition, references to barrel overheating are also of little relevance, since the MG-42, as it is now fashionable to say, in stock, is equipped with two barrels, and the barrel is changed almost instantly in 3-5 seconds.
    Ammunition is another matter, MG-42/59 under 7,62x51 requires NATO cartridges, and this is serious. And here his gluttony is not at all into the hands of the Nazis.
    Orthodox cartridges 7,62x54 flange and on dill in bulk, and these must be carried and carried, their "partners" do it.
    Well, as for the fact that the Nazis have less and less Soviet weapons, this is of course the success of our military group and its actions, keep it up.
    1. +2
      31 January 2023 09: 17
      7,62x51 requires NATO ammo
      Near the EU and warehouses, these cartridges are in bulk and there are more capacities for their production than ours.
      They are running out of Soviet weapons in commercial quantities in 404 and Eastern Europe, Bulgaria is not able to make a big war .... and the transition to the NATO standard is forced here and will go for all weapons.
    2. +1
      31 January 2023 11: 09
      Quote: Romanenko
      Orthodox cartridges 7,62x54 flange and on dill in bulk, and these must be carried and carried, their "partners" do it.

      Who doesn't make them. From Poland, the Czech Republic and Romania to carry very close. These 308WIN even we do in full.
  9. +3
    31 January 2023 09: 14
    MG What is the anachronism here? There, everything that can be stamped, in terms of weight and dimensions and machine tool, is a completely modern machine gun. Not all the world's unified machine guns can compare with it in terms of reliability (which are much younger). Pakistan is also armed with them and Spain (SETME). There is an even more recent machine gun based on the G-3. They, too, were removed from production in Germany.
  10. +1
    31 January 2023 11: 24
    Non-existent technical analysis and, as usual, another article from the series "Useless and obsolete"""
  11. +1
    31 January 2023 12: 15
    Good machine gun.
    Quick-change barrel, rate of fire can be changed by changing the bolt and spring, different types of tapes, a box is also available.
    Very reliable. In Germany, after the war, they did not reinvent the wheel, they finalized the well-proven MG-42, including the transition to the standard NATO cartridge, plus other improvements, and began to produce it under the name MG-3 (at the very beginning of the new production, the old ones were re-barreled for some time under the name MG -2)
  12. +2
    31 January 2023 12: 38
    I wonder why the symbolism of "Wagner" is blurry in the video ..? Like PMC did not pay the media for advertising? If so, this is generally the bottom. winked
  13. -1
    31 January 2023 21: 10
    How can MG-42/59 (I didn’t really understand why the author came up with this designation - MG under the NATO cartridge is called MG3), be "morally obsolete" if it is still widely used in the German army - not the most backward, if what?
    1. 0
      1 February 2023 16: 34
      The Germans killed him in the Second World War, this is the main reason, the heavy weight is morally obsolete. smile
  14. 0
    1 February 2023 09: 52
    I heard that Maxims are also being used, but the resource of a machine gun in the war is 2-3 months, soon there will be one import, perhaps they will bring DShK and RPK with cartridges from China, well, let's see, according to the reports, the war is positional and artillery.
    1. +1
      1 February 2023 10: 02
      Ukraine is a paradise for black market arms suppliers from all over the world.
  15. +1
    1 February 2023 10: 01
    The scale of the supply of weapons, which is not talked about, I think will amaze the most sophisticated propagandists. Such a number of equipment that was delivered, destroyed, which will be delivered and will be destroyed is insanity. Many European politicians spoke with a forced smile about the need to disarm, but as a result, another noodles on the ears.
  16. -1
    1 February 2023 10: 20
    Well, we are waiting for German wartime rifles and German MP 38/40 submachine guns, the same ones with a long straight magazine

    ... and a German uniform with German helmets
  17. +2
    1 February 2023 11: 15
    And the author of this opus could not comment on which models of Soviet systems the mg-42 (mg-3) is inferior to, otherwise there was an article the other day that it’s just the opposite, the Russian Federation does not have a normal single machine gun.
    1. kaa
      0
      1 February 2023 12: 41
      Is this one the only one? the rest in the squad / platoon do not have 7,62 in the same way.
      PKM and Pecheneg are at least easier.
  18. 0
    1 February 2023 11: 19
    Mg has reached to this day is in service with the army of the Bundeswehr, this says a lot!
  19. +2
    1 February 2023 12: 29
    MG-42 is a serious machine! soldier Another thing is, do the Nazis have a lot of cartridges for it? stop
  20. +2
    1 February 2023 16: 31
    These MG42 / 59 chambered for caliber 7,62x51 (MG3) and they are in production after the Second World War, the original was chambered for 7,9x57 quite effective, quickly change the barrel in battle, it weighs about 12kg, plus a reserve barrel a few kg. It is served by 2 fighters. Who fired the MG42/59 in caliber 7,62x51? , from there and delivery in Ukraine
    Otherwise, MG is capricious, often stagnant and stopped, quite accurate, but for a heavy fighter, a person gets tired quickly if you need to change place.
    And today we see an effective weapon, but heavy and capricious.
  21. +2
    1 February 2023 16: 46
    MG-42? Maybe .... More like MG-3. There is essentially no difference. Good machine gun. If you don't run with it.
    1. 0
      1 February 2023 16: 59
      Yes, and MG = MG (MachinGever in German)
      1. 0
        1 February 2023 17: 00
        Or a machine gun or a mitrailleuse, etc ..... smile
  22. 0
    1 February 2023 18: 45
    Quote: Bad_gr
    they fight with machine guns chambered for 7,62x51 mm adopted by NATO, which means that they fight with machine guns not MG-42, but MG1, MG2, MG3, MG42 / 59, etc. Ie - deliveries from abroad.

    Right.
    It’s just that on our site it’s not customary to study the issue, but it’s customary to immediately scribble posts.
    MG42 / 59 is in service with many, including the "developed" countries of the world.
    An excellent RP, trouble-free like an AK, with more significant "second" characteristics (gr. Lead per second) than most of the RP in the world.
    No one removes them of their own free will.
    1. 0
      1 February 2023 20: 34
      He is capricious and more than a stop far from AK47.
  23. 0
    1 February 2023 22: 52
    Well, they are now on the defensive, so MG is approaching the current situation.

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