Tungsten and uranium: NATO tank munitions in Ukraine

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Tungsten and uranium: NATO tank munitions in Ukraine
Challenger 2. Source: wikipedia.org


NATO "crowbars"


Equipment concept tank ammunition in the West is somewhat different from the Russian approach.



For example: the T-90 tank gun can work on targets with four types of ammunition - a sub-caliber armor-piercing feathered projectile (BOPS), a cumulative, high-explosive fragmentation and an Invar-M guided missile. NATO armored vehicles in different variations are equipped with BOPS, multi-purpose cumulative, buckshot, full-fledged high-explosive fragmentation, high-explosive fragmentation with plastic explosives and, in some models, guided anti-tank missiles.

Let's start with the most dangerous ammunition from the tank arsenal - highly specialized sub-caliber anti-tank shells.

The main difference between Western "crowbars" is the presence of two-base leading devices resembling a coil, while the Russian analogues are characterized by a single-base device. Automatic loading of domestic tanks imposes restrictions on the length of the sub-caliber projectile. For example, the length of the tungsten cores 3BM-42 "Mango" - 547 mm, 3BM-60 "Lead-2" - 640 mm, and the length of the uranium "scrap" M829A3 from the Abrams ammunition reaches almost 800 mm. However, export restrictions apply to this ammunition model, and they are unlikely to appear in Ukraine.

The Americans developed the M829A3 to combat the Kontakt-5 DZ - for this, 100 mm of the leading part of the core are made of steel. According to the idea, the steel destroys and absorbs the energy of the explosion of dynamic protection units, and the uranium rod pierces the already cleaned tank armor.

The armor penetration of the projectile, according to experts of the Moscow State Technical University. N. E. Bauman, at a distance of 2 km is 830 mm along the normal and 420 mm at an angle of 60 degrees. At the same time, the “scrap” does not have an outstanding initial flight speed at all - only about 1 m / s. For comparison, the Leopard 640A2 sub-caliber DM6 accelerates to 53 m/s, and the Russian Mango to 1 m/s.

The Americans did not have the opportunity to lengthen the gun barrel, like the Germans, up to 55 calibers, so they had to increase the length and weight of the rod. Abrams delivers an eight-kilogram rod to enemy armor, DM53 pulls 5 kg, and the active part of the Mango is even less - 4,85 kg.

Again, the appearance in Ukraine of the М829А3, one of the best ammunition in the world in its class, is unlikely. At the same time, there is an even more powerful version of the A4, but this ammunition is not yet widely distributed even in the United States.


Source: rostislavddd.livejournal.com

Armor-piercing shells with a depleted uranium core pose the greatest danger to domestic armored vehicles. Despite all assurances, there is no guarantee that such a highly effective weapon will not appear in the ammunition of tanks supplied to Ukraine.

Stabilla depleted uranium alloy cores are present in the M829A1 and A2 sub-caliber projectiles from the Abrams ammunition load. These are "crowbars" in terms of lethal force a couple of steps lower than the A3 version described above - no more than 500-700 mm of armor at a distance of 2 meters. According to some reports, most of this ammunition has been withdrawn from service and disposed of.

Uranium in armor-piercing rods is good due to its high density and tensile strength, as well as reactive activity. Squeezing through the thickness of the armor, the rod enters into a chemical reaction with the metal, accompanied by a significant release of heat.

But uranium, albeit depleted, remains a radioactive metal. When hitting a tank, contamination of the area with fine particles is inevitable.


Export American BOPS. Source: rostislavddd.livejournal.com

In the export version, Abrams are equipped with armor-piercing shells with tungsten cores. They developed ammunition for the Egyptian army back in the mid-90s - early 2000s. For example, KEW-A2 (KEW - Tungsten Kinetic Energy round for Egyp) is an analogue of the uranium BOPS М829А2.


German tungsten cores.

In the list of announced NATO tanks for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Leopard 2A6 stands out, primarily due to the 120-mm gun with a length of 55 calibers. As mentioned above, this allows you to shoot sub-caliber DM53 with an initial speed of 1 m / s. Normally, at a two-kilometer distance, the projectile strikes up to 750 mm of armor, at an angle of 730 degrees - up to 60 mm.

The Leopard 2A4, promised to Ukraine from Poland, performs more modestly in this discipline. The tank has a 44-caliber gun and the muzzle velocity of the DM53 drops to 1 m/s, respectively, and armor penetration is also reduced. The German “scrap” has a WSM IV tungsten alloy core, and it is highly likely to appear in Ukraine. More advanced armor-piercing shells DM670 and DM63 increase the power on the target mainly due to a more powerful propelling charge.


British tungsten "scrap" L28A1 for Challenger 2. Source: wikipedia.org

British Challenger 2s are equipped with 120-mm rifled guns, which the Royal Armed Forces intend to abandon in the near future. The use of feathered sub-caliber projectiles on such guns is associated with a more complicated design - in particular, the leading belt is made to rotate so that the barrel rifling does not transmit rotation to the armor-piercing rod.

The most modern BOPS for the Challenger 2 is the L28A2 APFSDS. The abbreviation APFSDS stands for Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot or Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot. This is a common name for all NATO "crowbars".

Like the earlier L28A1 design, the projectile core is made of tungsten. For internal consumption, depleted uranium L26 and L27 sub-caliber projectiles are used, which are more suitable for destroying modern combined armor. The armor penetration of these ammunition is comparable to similar shells of the 120 mm Abrams M1A2 and Leopard 2A4 smoothbore guns.

Universal soldiers


As mentioned above, a distinctive feature of the NATO tank ammunition is the presence of cumulative fragmentation ammunition. A number of domestic authors believe that in such universal projectiles, high-explosive fragmentation is in the background. Nevertheless, the appearance of combined action shells is not accidental.

In short-term combat, especially in urban areas, it is preferable to always keep a tank gun loaded. In order to suppress a machine-gun point or a sniper prone in a building, an OFS is needed, but another tank can jump out from around the corner, against which such ammunition is practically useless. That is why NATO tanks are equipped with cumulative fragmentation projectiles that can effectively work both on buildings and on tanks. They are called HEAT (High-Explosive Anti-Tank Warhead).

Considering the low probability of a meeting between NATO tanks and Russian tanks in battle, it is the HEAT series of ammunition that will play the main role in Ukraine.


M830. Source: rostislavddd.livejournal.com

Abrams is equipped with three types of HEAT. The first and oldest is the M830, which is a copy of the German DM12A1 projectile and, unlike the original, is equipped with a fuse capable of being triggered by a tangential hit. To the target, he carries a cumulative warhead and 1,95 kg of explosives. For comparison, the classic OFS of Russian tanks 30F26 is equipped with 3,4 kg of explosives.

The M830A1 projectile is more compact and is actually made in a sub-caliber format, due to which its initial speed has increased to 1 m/s. The Russian OFS is much slower - at the muzzle no more than 400 m / s. But you have to pay for everything, and the American cumulative fragmentation projectile is equipped with only 850 kg of explosives.

Among the undoubted advantages is a proximity fuse capable of shooting down helicopters in Air mode even with a slight miss.

Thus, Abrams gets the opportunity to work not only on armored vehicles and manpower, but on slow air targets. In the M908 model, the head fuse is replaced with a steel tip - this allows the projectile to play the role of a concrete-piercing one. It is good when you need to make a neat passage for the infantry in the wall and at the same time not kill the infantry themselves nearby.




The universal M830A1 can hit both tanks and helicopters. Source: rostislavddd.livejournal.com

The Germans with cumulative-fragmentation shells are simpler - in fact, only the DM12A1 is represented with an initial speed of 1 m / s and nearly two kilograms of explosives.

One thing can be said about the armor penetration of shells - the frontal armor of domestic tanks with a high degree of probability will withstand the blow of "universal soldiers".


DM11. Source: topwar.ru

The relatively new DM11 projectile from Rheinmetall, from which the cumulative funnel was seized, can compete with the Russian OFS. They added 6 thousand tungsten balls, explosives and a three-mode fuse capable of detonating in the air over sheltered infantry.

In addition, DM11 can explode in front of the target, as well as with some slowdown in walls and shelters. This high-tech projectile is very expensive, and if it appears in Ukraine, it will be in small quantities.


Satisfied British tankers with shells (from left to right) - BOPS, smoke with white phosphorus and armor-piercing with plastic explosives.

The British, as always, are original.

HEAT ammunition for a rifled gun is highly undesirable - rotation creates harmful centrifugal force, and the cumulative jet does not focus well on armor. You can, of course, organize compensating rotation of the bearings, but this will complicate the design and eat up the useful volume of the projectile.

Therefore, it was decided to create, as it seemed to the British, an effective analogue under the name HESH (High-Explosive Squash Head), better known to us as a projectile with plastic explosives. Here, the rotation from the rifling of the barrel plays into the hands of the armor-piercers - upon impact, the centrifugal force gently spreads a pancake of plastic explosives over the armor. Then detonation follows, a compression and tension wave passes through the armor, and a mass of fragments is formed on the inner surface. In this case, no penetration is observed.

Only now the combined armor of modern tanks dampens the compression wave well - HESH has chances only against the frontal projection of the T-62. The sides of the tanks, although devoid of damping layers, are reliably protected from the British "armor-piercing" shells L31A7 HESH by bulwarks.


M1028. Source: pngkit.com

NATO smoothbore guns have one very dangerous ammunition for manpower under the symbol M1028, better known as Canister. This is a shotgun projectile that hits a maximum of 600 meters and creates a deadly field of 1 tungsten balls. Given the ubiquity of anti-tank weapons, an Abrams or Leopard would still have to approach infantry unharmed within effective range of the Canister. The developers claim that the M150 can effectively mow down excess vegetation and make passages in brick walls.

NATO tanks, the appearance of which was announced in Ukraine, are, first of all, a good anti-tank weapon and only then a universal armored gun, so valuable at the front. The specific ammunition load of tanks has only recently begun to be replenished with ammunition that is truly effective against manpower and shelters.

In any case, the best NATO tank in Ukraine should not burn on the battlefield, but on a railway platform or on a tanker somewhere west of the Dnieper. As well as ammunition for them.
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  1. -5
    1 February 2023 04: 32
    In addition to the latest BOPS, nothing special, moreover, "universal" cumulative ones are not just weaker than full-bodied high-explosive fragmentation ones, but much weaker.
    At the same time, it must be remembered that an isolated ammunition rack in the turret niche of Western tanks works tolerably only with such "universal" shells;
    1. +12
      1 February 2023 04: 47
      a NATO tank in Ukraine should not burn on the battlefield, but on a railway platform
      And after reviewing the shells - this is the best recommendation!
      1. 0
        1 February 2023 07: 31
        So far, in the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR, no serious tank battles have been noticed in 11 months of fighting. Both sides use tanks according to their purpose, and not as anti-tank weapons. Therefore, the presence / absence of uranium "scrap" is not of fundamental importance. But the armor and protection of tanks from the same ATGMs are decided.
    2. 0
      1 February 2023 05: 05
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      moreover, "universal" cumulative ones are not just weaker than full-bodied high-explosive fragmentation ones, but much weaker.

      Moreover, this was shown by the Americans, who fought head-on for Mosul for a month, where the Abrams ended up during the storming of the city with 4000 infantry with riflemen - stupidly unnecessary nafig. Moreover, 2, the author, without noticing himself, confirmed the idiocy of such an ersatz:
      In order to suppress a machine-gun point or a sniper prone in a building, an OFS is needed, but another tank can jump out from around the corner, against which such ammunition is practically useless.

      Considering the low probability of a meeting between NATO tanks and Russian tanks in battle

      And in general, it seems to me that the author is a little ... He got excited about the POSSIBILITY of a tank battle in a building. The author, take a breath and think - how will it look like in real life?
      Here to the author, you know, how in the Donbass the tank from what the hell is the infantry calling? "Big Sniper". And why? So think about what is used from shells
      A "fragmentation shirt" of 600 grams (how much does a lemon weigh there, does anyone remember?) - what a striking effect! BB too much! And about the projectile with the GGE - the author was not mistaken for an hour ON THE ORDER? Let me tell you - in the buckshot there is a piece with a small ball, in the cumulative former funnel 6 thousand? Urezh sturgeon, 600 were there! By the way, the standard OUR tank is said to give about 2,5 thousand fragments when it is blown up.
      Firsov writes that all this shaking (n) diya they went precisely from the lack of an automatic loader ... The OFS projectile is heavy ...
      1. 0
        1 February 2023 05: 33
        Quote from Bingo
        Firsov writes that all this shaking (n) diya they went precisely from the lack of an automatic loader ... The OFS projectile is heavy ...

        Well, yes, with separate loading it’s like this (HASH for the Angles), but with a unitary, that’s it, our powers are over! laughing But let me remind you about the ammo rack with knockout panels, it will not endure the detonation of the HE.
        1. +8
          1 February 2023 05: 38
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          but with the unitary everything, our powers are over!

          Well, he made a joke, put on a video ... There, "very wise" Jews, female tank crews recruited for Merkavas ... Look ...
          1. +4
            1 February 2023 06: 24
            Amazing loading speed good
            1. +5
              1 February 2023 11: 12
              Quote: Kolobochek
              Amazing loading speed

              What will be the speed after 10 reloads in battle?
              1. +1
                1 February 2023 15: 26
                What about critical days?
                Obviously, this feature of physiology was not taken into account.
              2. +1
                3 February 2023 18: 53
                Quote: APASUS
                Quote: Kolobochek
                Amazing loading speed

                What will be the speed after 10 reloads in battle?

                In real combat operations, no one will put a woman in a tank, otherwise let them study just in case soldier
                1. 0
                  4 February 2023 17: 37
                  And where will they pick up a replacement for her? Trained?
          2. +7
            1 February 2023 07: 05
            Hug and cry! lol
            You can't bully women like that!
            1. +1
              2 February 2023 12: 56
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Hug and cry!
              You can't bully women like that!


              Little funny. With a torn back, I don’t know how the conditional pregnancy will go, I’m generally silent about childbirth.

              The Israelis didn’t think of something many times when they put a woman in charge.
        2. +1
          1 February 2023 10: 18
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          that's it with the unitary, our powers are over!

          M908 HE-OR-T. Ordinary land mines for 3 kg of explosives. Turkish MOD 300 HE-T even 4+kg explosives.
          1. 0
            1 February 2023 13: 28
            Quote: Negro
            M908 HE-OR-T. Ordinary land mines for 3 kg of explosives. Turkish MOD 300 HE-T even 4+kg explosives.

            The 908 cannot have 3 kg of explosives, because this is a modification of the 830A1 with a kilo of explosives. The Turk can, but the Americans do not use HE shells, for the reason indicated above.
            1. -1
              1 February 2023 15: 22
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              908 cannot have 3 kg of explosives, because this is a modification of 830A1 with a kilo of explosives

              Nevertheless, it is precisely this weight of explosives that is indicated. Perhaps something is not being told to you about the M830.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Americans do not use HE shells, for the reason indicated above.

              Which one? Are you talking about your idea that the curtain does not withstand the detonation of a land mine? Well, if the facts don't match your theory, so much the worse for the facts.
              1. +1
                1 February 2023 16: 28
                Quote: Negro
                Nevertheless, it is precisely this weight of explosives that is indicated. Perhaps something is not being told to you about the M830.

                Maybe you can't open your eyes
                ▪120mm M908 HE-OR-T (High Explosive Obstacle Reduction Tracer)

                https://topwar.ru/63113-pravilnyy-snaryad-dlya-pravilnoy-celi.html


                Quote: Negro
                Which one? Are you talking about your idea that the curtain does not withstand the detonation of a land mine? Well, if the facts don't match your theory, so much the worse for the facts.
                What are the facts? That there is no full-bodied HE shell in the Abrams BC?
                1. -3
                  1 February 2023 19: 50
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  https://topwar.ru/63113-pravilnyy-snaryad-dlya-pravilnoy-celi.html

                  As always sad to read VO 2014.

                  And why did you remember it? Does it say how many explosives are in the M908 projectile?
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  That there is no full-bodied HE shell in the Abrams BC?

                  Full bodied? What does it matter?
                  1. 0
                    2 February 2023 06: 50
                    Quote: Negro
                    As always sad to read VO 2014.

                    And why did you remember it? Does it say how many explosives are in the M908 projectile?

                    This is a photo for you to open your eyes and compare the sizes. And by the way, give a link to the mass of explosives in the 908 shell?
                    Quote: Negro
                    Full bodied? What does it matter?
                    The fact that 3-4 kg of explosives gives a completely different effect, unlike 1 kg, and even with a cumulative funnel. Is that what doesn't let you understand?
                    1. -1
                      2 February 2023 08: 25
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      This is a photo for you to open your eyes and compare the sizes

                      You see, I do not determine the amount of explosives in a projectile by eye.
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      By the way, give a link to the mass of explosives in the 908 shell?

                      https://arconpartners.net/products/ammunition/large-caliber/120-mm-round-m-908-he-or-t-with-high-explosive-obstacle-reduction-tracer-for-120-mm-m256-smoothbore-gun/
                      Near the answer with a link to the English language.
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      The fact that 3-4 kg of explosives give a completely different effect

                      And how many explosives are in this projectile?
                      1. 0
                        2 February 2023 14: 35
                        Quote: Negro
                        You see, I do not determine the amount of explosives in a projectile by eye.

                        That's right, because you are clearly at odds with elementary geometry, because you imagine that you can stuff three kilos of explosives into a 90-80 mm (and it is) medium-high ballistics projectile.

                        966
                        Quote: Negro
                        https://arconpartners.net/products/ammunition/large-caliber/120-mm-round-m-908-he-or-t-with-high-explosive-obstacle-reduction-tracer-for-120-mm-m256-smoothbore-gun/
                        Near the answer with a link to the English language.

                        And what do we see:


                        Projectile type:HEOR-T
                        Weight, (kg): 22,7
                        Length, (mm): 983
                        Main parameters of projectile
                        Weight, (kg): 11,4
                        Weight of explosive charge, (kg): 3.2

                        Projectile type: HE-T
                        Weight, (kg): 26,7
                        Length, (mm): 943
                        Main parameters of projectile
                        Weight, (kg): 16
                        Weight of explosive charge, (kg): 3.2


                        One and a half times lighter projectile has the same amount of explosives as in a full-weight one? How to explain it? And the curvature of wikiexperts and Bulgarian site builders.
                        And here is what people who understand the matter write
                        The M908 is produced by replacing the proximity switch nose of existing M830A1 rounds with a hard steel nose. The round is similar in appearance to the M830A1 MPAT round. The weight of the round and center of gravity are nearly identical to the M830A1 MPAT round. Major differences include:

                        https://inetres.com/gp/military/cv/weapon/M256.html



                        Quote: Negro
                        And how many explosives are in this projectile?

                        If memory is bad, then let me remind you:
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        The 908 cannot have 3 kg of explosives, because this is a modification of the 830A1 with a kilo of explosives.

                        Content and brand BB- 0,966kg Composition A3 Type II ... ..... representing the M830A1 case, with the replacement of the head proximity fuse with a high-strength concrete-piercing tip. The shells do not differ in anything else, as a result of which any M830A1 can be modified into M908

                        https://rostislavddd.livejournal.com/303089.html
                      2. 0
                        3 February 2023 09: 22
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And what do we see:


                        Projectile type:HEOR-T
                        Weight, (kg): 22,7
                        Length, (mm): 983
                        Main parameters of projectile
                        Weight, (kg): 11,4
                        Weight of explosive charge, (kg): 3.2

                        Projectile type: HE-T
                        Weight, (kg): 26,7
                        Length, (mm): 943
                        Main parameters of projectile
                        Weight, (kg): 16
                        Weight of explosive charge, (kg): 3.2

                        So you're quoting exactly what I'm saying. And what does that mean?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        That's right, because you are clearly at odds with elementary geometry, because you imagine that you can stuff three kilos of explosives into a 90-80 mm (and it is) medium-high ballistics projectile.

                        That is, I give the site of the shell manufacturer, where he writes how many explosives are in the shell, and you give me your OPINION whether it is possible or not. I myself can state my opinion - and argue it more convincingly. But we are looking for facts, not opinions. More precisely, I'm looking for, not "we".
                      3. 0
                        3 February 2023 14: 25
                        Quote: Negro
                        So you're quoting exactly what I'm saying. And what does that mean?
                        This means that you are not mentally developed, otherwise you would not have missed these words:
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        One and a half times lighter projectile has the same amount of explosives as in a full-weight one? How to explain it?


                        And your level of mental development is confirmed by you:
                        Quote: Negro
                        That is, I give the site of the shell manufacturer, where he writes how many explosives are in the shell, and you give me your OPINION whether it is possible or not. I myself can state my opinion - and argue it more convincingly. But we are looking for facts, not opinions. More precisely, I'm looking for, not "we".

                        This is a Bulgarian site of resellers, which American shells certainly do not manufacture. But just as thoughtlessly as you quote, they copy the wiki, if only it was in stock.

                        Once again I poke your nose
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        The shells do not differ in anything else, as a result of which any M830A1 can be modified into M908
                      4. 0
                        3 February 2023 17: 36
                        By the way, the M830A1, according to the wiki, has a projectile diameter of 80 mm. But you continue to shove 3 kg of explosives there. There is power, you don’t need a mind, che.
      2. +1
        1 February 2023 09: 01
        Quote from Bingo
        Firsov writes that all this shaking (n) diya they went precisely from the lack of an automatic loader ... The OFS projectile is heavy ...

        And now, instead of experts from LiveJournal, we are studying materiel.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/120%C3%97570mm_NATO
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    3. +1
      1 February 2023 09: 39
      We also need to remember about the perfect SLAs of Western tanks. In addition to BOPS, they hit more accurately and farther than ours. The L55 gun is between 2A46M and 2A82 in power
  2. +1
    1 February 2023 05: 51
    RF does not supply uranium to the USA, by any chance? Isn't he going into the shells?
    1. 0
      1 February 2023 07: 06
      The Americans themselves have huge reserves of uranium 236, free metal, mining from nuclear power plants.
      1. +2
        1 February 2023 13: 35
        238
        236th isotope in trace amounts... hi
        1. 0
          4 February 2023 18: 04
          And not working out from nuclear power plants, but waste from enrichment plants.
  3. -4
    1 February 2023 05: 54
    They should still burn in Poland. Stop sacrificing our soldiers.
    1. 0
      3 February 2023 12: 21
      Do the minus ones like that the war is going on on our territory and our people are dying?
      1. 0
        20 March 2023 10: 43
        The minus ones understand that the transfer of the database to Poland is the beginning of a nuclear war.
  4. -8
    1 February 2023 06: 08
    Article from the category:
    how good, humane, kind, moronic we are ....
    The task of the BC: to destroy. And the more effective, the fewer victims of our personnel.
    Only those "" in the Kremlin think about their "bubble" and "sanctions".
    The main thing: to please the "Master".
  5. +1
    1 February 2023 06: 35
    In any case, the best NATO tank in Ukraine should not burn on the battlefield, but on a railway platform or on a tanker somewhere west of the Dnieper. As well as ammunition for them.

    This is the main and fundamental idea of ​​the publication! Thanks to the author.
    I hope that the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Russian Federation also understand this and implement it.
  6. 0
    1 February 2023 06: 36
    Alas! As "evil", there was no time to read this article carefully! Only "ran through the eyes"! It immediately caught my eye ... the author confused the "fork with the bottle"; and BOPS 3BM-46 "Lead" with 3BM-60 "Lead-2", "designating" ... < 3BM-46 "Lead-2" >! These are completely different shells! angry
  7. +3
    1 February 2023 09: 39
    Quote from: Derbes19
    The Americans themselves have huge reserves of uranium 236, free metal, mining from nuclear power plants.


    There is no isotope of uranium 236 in nature.
    There is an isotope 238. Depleted - after the extraction of the isotope 235 (which is used to make nuclear weapons).
    And uranium, as a rule, is still obtained from ore. laughing
    1. 0
      1 February 2023 09: 50
      Yes, I was wrong. Uranium 238. But uranium is extracted from ore for the sake of the 235th isotope. But after enrichment, the 238 isotope goes to the warehouse. And there has been a lot of it.
      1. 0
        1 February 2023 14: 45
        Now Rosatom is testing it and is going to build a fast neutron reactor that will process the stored uranium residues.
  8. 0
    1 February 2023 09: 41
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    At the same time, it must be remembered that an isolated ammunition rack in the turret niche of Western tanks works tolerably only with such "universal" shells;


    And these explosion-proof doors are kept closed during the battle? Yeah, open and close every time...
    1. +2
      1 February 2023 10: 12
      Quote: Illanatol
      And these explosion-proof doors are kept closed during the battle?

      Americans closed, Arabs open. Different tank schools, so to speak.
      The result is a bit predictable.
  9. 0
    1 February 2023 11: 17
    I read that in the USSR they also tried to make the funnel itself on cumulative shells from such Uranium. Instead of copper and other metals.
  10. +2
    1 February 2023 14: 51
    About the fact that nothing will happen to the tank if a full-fledged landmine is poured into it almost point-blank, it’s you in vain. This, of course, is not an Orthodox suitcase 152mm ... But it will not seem enough there either.
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  12. 0
    1 February 2023 21: 18
    In any case, the best NATO tank in Ukraine should not burn on the battlefield, but on a railway platform or on a tanker somewhere west of the Dnieper. As well as ammunition for them.


    And there’s nothing to add ...
    It only remains that this was not only in the wishes of the author, or with us, but also in Laos)
  13. +1
    2 February 2023 08: 30
    In order to ensure a "low probability" of a meeting between NATO and our tanks in battle, it is necessary to provide the troops with other means of destroying NATO tanks in abundance. For example, drones. To reduce the number of required ATGMs and drones, they must all be put on mobile chassis. And, undoubtedly, cumulative ATGMs should be able to hit enemy manpower. For example, having a second fuse. Then the transition from the cumulative mode to the high-explosive mode will occur by simply switching the fuses before launch. With current spending on SVO, spending on each ATGM ukrovoin looks economically justified. The control of such ATGMs should be made remote, including from the tank.
    Otherwise, holes in the defense will have to be plugged with tanks with live crews.
  14. -1
    2 February 2023 09: 14
    The trouble is that armor penetration is determined by the material and length of the rod. Our tanks have an automatic loader and load the projectile and charge separately. The length of the rod is limited by the projectile. At the enemy, the Negro puts a unitary projectile, at the cat. the rod is immersed deep in the charge (see fig.) and therefore gains in breakdown. That's why the T-90M has a stern niche on the turret, and there are a dozen shells in it.
  15. 0
    3 February 2023 09: 13
    Quote from Vashek
    The trouble is that armor penetration is determined by the material and length of the rod. Our tanks have an automatic loader and load the projectile and charge separately. The length of the rod is limited by the projectile. At the enemy, the Negro puts a unitary projectile, at the cat. the rod is immersed deep in the charge (see fig.) and therefore gains in breakdown.


    Not really important. The length of the rod of our BOPS is enough. The thickness of the armor of Western tanks still does not reach half a meter.
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    3 February 2023 09: 16
    Quote from: Derbes19
    Yes, I was wrong. Uranium 238. But uranium is extracted from ore for the sake of the 235th isotope. But after enrichment, the 238 isotope goes to the warehouse. And there has been a lot of it.


    Uranium 238 goes not only to the warehouse, but also to nuclear power plants. Yes, there are many more where and why it is used.
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    3 February 2023 09: 19
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Now Rosatom is testing it and is going to build a fast neutron reactor that will process the stored uranium residues.


    Testing ... breeders (fast neutron reactors) worked half a century ago.
    It's just that some restrictions applied to them earlier, since it is precisely such reactors that make it possible to produce weapons-grade plutonium. Maybe they invented one that does not produce plutonium and is purely civilian (that's why it is possible to build / sell to foreigners).
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