Sergey Ryabkov: After the decision on the supply of tanks, it is pointless to talk not only with puppets from Kyiv, but also with puppeteers from the USA

Russia is ready for a reasonable dialogue, this position of Moscow has remained unchanged, but at present there is nothing to talk about with the West, said Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov.

The US decision to supply Ukraine Tanks showed the senselessness of dialogue not only with the Kyiv regime, but also with its masters from Washington. The United States only declares the need for dialogue, but does the opposite, pumping up the regime weapons, emphasizing that only the supply of arms can stop the conflict. So there is nothing to talk about with the puppets from Kyiv, or with their puppeteers from Washington. The role of an intermediary that the West wants to play in possible negotiations between Russia and Ukraine is also not suitable for Moscow, since we already know the price of the Western word very well according to the same Minsk agreements. Moscow has no illusions about this.

In the current conditions, when Washington has announced its decision to supply tanks, and its vassals, including Ottawa, are competing to see who and how much will supply armored vehicles to Ukraine, especially old ones, it is pointless to talk not only with the Ukronazis, but also with their puppeteers. Many of them are just caricatures in their ignorance

- leads RIA News words of a Russian diplomat.

The United States intends to defeat Russia in all strategic areas, and then dictate its conditions to Moscow, this is the main task of Washington. Ukraine in this confrontation acts as a weapon with which to strike. How many Ukrainians will die in this case and whether this state will continue to exist in the future, the Americans are not interested. Feeding from the hands of the United States, Zelensky will not stop the war, it is unprofitable for him, without handouts from the West, today's Ukraine can no longer exist.

So, in order for some kind of dialogue to take place, it is necessary to put Kyiv in a stalemate, then the owners of Zelensky themselves will come running with a proposal to negotiate. But Russia will set the conditions there.

Comments

[Silver99]

Unfortunately, the world is heading towards a real nuclear war, it will not be possible to destroy a nuclear Power such as Russia with conventional weapons, and now too much is at stake and said. Apparently, a limited nuclear conflict cannot be avoided due to the fact that the loss of a local conflict in Ukraine will put an end to the United States as well (((((((Bolivar (Earth) will not withstand two ((((((((Russia was sentenced to destruction, any it doesn’t matter whether it’s physical or economic, it’s a war and it has already begun, maybe not everyone understands all this behind songs and holidays.No one is ready to take a step back.

[The black]

"What a horror," thought Stephen King and turned off the news.

[ivan1979nkl]

The USSR has gone to the same place

In the USSR, everything belonged to the people, who did not particularly value all this. The ownerless property was seized by clever swindlers - privatized under the talk of freedom and democracy

[Myths]

So in the West, the same rhetoric as before, the effect of vaccination has ended for some:

Pani Anna Elzbieta Fotyga - held the highest positions up to the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, since 2014 an influential member of the European Parliament (security and defense):
Russia is an existential evil, this evil does not change, regardless of time and form of government. Russia is not a state, but a terrorist organization, and after the defeat, which is inevitable, it must be "refaced" and "defederalized" as an "existential threat to humanity and the international order", that is, divided into "national states". Unfortunately, it cannot be said that the population of the "national outskirts" wants this, but we are working on it.

"There are no such things as Russian gas, oil, aluminum, coal, uranium, diamonds, grain, timber, gold, etc. All such resources are Tatar, Bashkir, Siberian, Karelian, Oirat, Circassian, Buryat, Sakha, Ural, Kuban, Nogais, etc." Even culture is stolen from indigenous peoples, for example, through Lermontov they stole the culture of the Circassians, and through Gogol - the culture of the Little Russians. Already now it is necessary to work with the leaders of the "indigenous", to promote the "true history"

People, the ideas of freedom of speech and personality, morality and something else there are all lies. Resources are what it's all about.

[Reptiloid]

Quote from Mitos

So in the West it’s all the same rhetoric ...... People, the ideas of freedom of speech and personality, morality, and something else, it’s all liesЬ ......

All these beautiful words went into use under the USSR. In order for capitacism to compete with the good, and accessible to everyone, that the USSR had. As soon as the USSR was destroyed, the need for beautiful words disappeared and they gradually began to take away "freedoms" and others achievements

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

The USSR has gone to the same place.

Alas .... We, the people, slammed him! We briskly rushed to "Happiness" in the form of a banal chewing gum, films about Stallone, snickers and hamburgers .... We pooped the USSR under the conduction of our gaidarchiks, chubaisiks, ebn-chiks, who in their turn were taxied by uncles from overseas.
And we did it with unprecedented enthusiasm - ten years and kirdyk, but not in America, but in the USSR.
What is happening in our society today does not inspire me with much optimism either ...

[Trapp1st]

We slammed him, the people!

The people do not decide where or what. They held a referendum and still did as they wanted.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

The people decide everything! If then they had taken by the collar these number cats - Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk, then no Union would have collapsed! But we blindly scourged our history, demolished all moral and other barriers - we wanted twenty varieties of sausage - we got it.

[VladMirU]

Sitting on the couch, yes, it does not solve. We have to get out of our burrows and demand. Together, and not only to those units who were offended in some way. And here is the problem. There are few brains left from that sausage, which was strongly wanted in the USSR.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira

.... We pumped the USSR under the conduction of our gaydarchiks, Chubaisiks, ebn-chiks, who, in turn, were steered by uncles from overseas.
And we did it with unprecedented enthusiasm for ten years ...

The fact is that even then many understood that something was wrong, but they were not listened to. And it all started much earlier. Talk about how good it is there.....and not a word about printing $$$$ as a commodity. Or about exploited countries. This anti-advertising of socialism has been going on since the 80s, or maybe a little earlier. If you remember, the cartoons of that time! For example, 2 cartoons where the hare denoted our superiors. In one of them, the Hare takes pity on the Fox, and she eats him. On the other, where the Hare --- copy
Brezhnev, and he commits suicide. This is for kids!!! And the cartoon about Colors... Blue and Pink, in love with each other, defeat the Dictatorship of Black Colors, and... die. What is this?
The ridicule of Socialism and the USSR began.
The destruction of the USSR took place under Gorbachev's slogans --- "more socialism!" ... and cooperatives? Here is an advertisement for capitalism and an anti-advertisement for Socialism! Rasputina's song ... And then what about the cooperatives???????? Much can be said on this subject. The destruction of the USSR is the result of a long preparation.

[Invoce]

Quote: Trapp1st

destroying a nuclear Power such as Russia with conventional weapons will not work

The USSR has gone to the same place.

Russia is ready for reasonable dialogue

Our Foreign Ministry never ceases to amaze HELLO...! no one is going to talk to you [i][/i] Humble yourself, your foreign bank accounts, yachts, palaces are over...

Fell from an oak
Why would you write that no one is going to talk to the Foreign Ministry? And what kind of accounts, yachts and palaces are we talking about?
Either I'm not catching up with something, or the writer Trapp1st foam rose and pressed hard on the cerebellum!
I would ban such an extremist.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote from Silver99

Unfortunately, the world is heading towards a real nuclear war, destroy the nuclear Power

One hope "we won't go to heaven, and they won't die" is the "Caribbean crisis 2.0", when not days, and perhaps not hours, will decide. minutes.

After that, for a while, the West will calm down.
Without this, the Big West will not calm down, and the petty-Western mongrels will simply become insolent to the point that they will soon start to bite off our soles.

[saigon]

Nuclear weapons the decision to use the edge is heavy, purely humanly a huge responsibility.
But having understood whether the western regions of the former outskirts (wild field) with an alien population are needed for Russia, it is worth deciding specifically.
And if our country doesn’t need them, it’s worth taking out everything and everything simply. The enemy in the face of the Poles should get ruins.
The ruins in that region will also work as an obstacle to supplies from the west (a plowed area without a transport network is a normal barrier) and an example to others.
Yes, this is without humanity.

[Sauron80]

War is not a jousting tournament. You don't destroy, they destroy you. I hope now, after realizing that there is no way back, our political leaders will give the command to fight for real, with the destruction of infrastructure, energy, supply routes, and it is in Western Ukraine in the first place!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Sauron80

our political leaders will give the command to fight for real, with the destruction of infrastructure, energy, supply routes, and it is in Western Ukraine in the first place!

And what about - infrastructure, energy, supply routes in Western Ukraine have ceased to be profitable for WHOM we need? Did you find a way to send titanium to America by e-mail?
If so, then yes, you can destroy ...

[ohtsistem]

Yeah, where are we going, the big question??? But there is no need to be dramatic, in my opinion.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Unfortunately, the world is heading towards a real nuclear war.

It is possible to break the track by resolute behavior, with our friability we only bring the war closer. Nothing would have happened if we showed character in 2014.

[Uprun]

Istanbul 2022 and the latest revelations of the guarantors of Minsk have shown everything, who still has illusions?

[Egeny]

"The US decision to supply tanks to Ukraine showed the futility of dialogue..."
... then you can not read the note, because it is useless to negotiate with idiots of any level.

[Trapp1st]

because it is useless to negotiate with idiots of any level.

It's not the US at war with Canada, and it's not us supplying weapons, so who the idiots is is a big question.

[Egeny]

Do you want to negotiate with the Biden administration or the clown's office? Good luck.
Or do you think our leadership is idiots?
Do you even understand what you typed?
By the way, Trap is a trap, but what kind of nickname do you have, strapper, or what?)

[rusich]

In general, there is nothing to talk about with the West. Until they get kumpol, they won't calm down

[megadeth]

Until we carry out a demonstration single nuclear strike (with a willingness to continue working with an atom on a geyrop), somewhere in a field near Lvov, no one will talk to us. By the way, you can use a ballistic missile without specials. Warheads, with TNT, how much it will pull (PGRK Topol - M), specialists in the west will understand right off the bat. IMHO

[rotmistr60]

Moscow has no illusions about this.

Yes, it's probably time to take up the mind and discard even the thought of any negotiations, especially on the terms of the West.

[Azim77]

If you supply North Korea and / or Iran with tanks, aircraft, air defense - according to the "rules" is this only for their defense? To have world peace. Still to Cuba, Venezuela ..

[Kuziming]

Let's compare what the "Onslaught on the East" was like in the past, and what are the prospects for the onslaught now.
1. In the past, pressure has relied on a surplus of healthy, war-motivated male populations.
Now in Germany and Poland there is no such excess. We are not even talking about the Baltic countries.
2. In the past, the onslaught was provided by the fundamental superiority of the West in metalworking. The iron and coal of the Rhine created the civilizational core around which the military power of Europe was formed.
Now the superiority has shifted to the area of ​​high technologies, and the situation looks close to equilibrium.
3. Successful conquests of the past gave Europe the opportunity to build up its industrial potential.
Now Europe has fallen into a crisis, and it already needs a dozen years to recover. The continuation of the confrontation will lead to the sending of entire production facilities to the United States.
4. In the past, conquests led to an expansion of the agricultural base, an improvement in the food supply.
Now food supply is tied to the price of fuel, and this price is rising.
The continuation of the conflict does not promise food abundance.
5. In the past, the conquest of new lands led to the emergence of castles, cities, and the movement of settlers to the conquered territories.
Now it is difficult to imagine how Germans or even Poles can be seduced on the territory of the former Ukraine. (Or Russia, which is associated only with the post-apocalypse.)
6. In the past, the onslaught has led to an increase in the flow of cheap raw materials, and stimulated the development of the economy.
Now the first phase of the onslaught has become the rejection of cheap raw materials, and it will only get worse. Continued pressure will only increase costs.
7. The suicidal war of Ukrainians against Russia is financially unprofitable for the countries of Europe.
For the United States, a short victorious war could bring big profits. Its goal could be complete financial control of the territory of Russia.
But now the dollar is losing the function of world money. Instead of total economic control, there is a loss of presence in the most important economic zones of the world.

Conclusion:
The Ukrainian adventure is destroying the economy of Europe. Its delay is unprofitable for the United States.
Now the Americans want to try to decisively change the situation in order to achieve a military victory. If there is no quick victory, they will launch "humanitarian initiatives".

Russia needs to endure the 2023 campaign with minimal losses, develop its own economy, master modern technologies, and continue exiting the dollar system.

[Sfurei]

In principle, I completely agree.
And those who shout that it is also necessary to use nuclear weapons to speed up the finale of the war, in principle, are not right. The use of nuclear weapons by either side will aggravate the general crisis, depriving all participants (the West and the Russian Federation) of any benefit from the outcome of the war.

[decimalegio]

I notice that there are a lot of characters on the site who have wet dreams at night about long, straight rockets exploding in a mushroom cloud. A clear sign of problems in the intimate sphere. Maybe they live in some terrible city, like there are so many around the world, where it makes no sense to use nuclear weapons, since not even a dove will give a damn about them. Or they're like those crazy Americans who dream of nuclear war so they can crawl like rats in a self-built bunker dreaming of adventure in a post-apocalyptic world. At least that's my humble analysis.

[Ivan Ivanov]

And those who shout that it is also necessary to use nuclear weapons to speed up the finale of the war, in principle, are not right.
I notice that there are a lot of characters on the site who have wet dreams at night about long, straight rockets exploding in a mushroom cloud.

Nuclear weapons should be a weapon of mutual deterrence, now nuclear weapons are only weapons of our deterrence. If we decided in advance that only we have the instinct of self-preservation and the enemy does not have it, we lose, because we give the opportunity to endlessly raise the stakes and their deck is definitely thicker. This is obvious, see 8 years of conflict and 11 months of NWO.
Or do you think that a protracted war with a continuous increase in the quality of weapons and an endless, in fact, contingent from the other side can be won?

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: IvanIvanov

Or do you think that a protracted war with a continuous increase in the quality of weapons and an endless, in fact, contingent from the other side can be won?

Can. The RSFSR won the civil one just like that. Moreover, the whites were not only supplied with the most modern weapons, tanks, aircraft and an inexhaustible resource and material and technical base. Yes, and besides, the occupation forces of the Entente - the interventionists - the British, French, Romanians, Americans openly fought on the side of the Whites ... and so a good two dozen countries!
And in the RSFSR - hunger, devastation, poverty, confusion, chaos, internal strife, internal enemies ... well, as in the song of Lebedev-Kumach:

Ten rifles for the whole battalion,
In each rifle the last cartridge.
In torn overcoats, in holey bast shoes
We beat the German on different paths. (With)

And after all - they broke it!

[decimalegio]

Before starting a nuclear war, can we wait until the end of the Italian football championship???? my team is first in the standings, I've waited 30 years to celebrate a new championship, I don't want to spoil the party. After that, I can even die peacefully.

[Epaulettes]

Ну и что?
What can Ryabkov do?
In order for us to be reckoned with again, it is necessary not to beat Ukraine, but England and the USA.

But Russia does not have iron Faberge for this, it has papier-mâché ...

So in vain our leadership expects that even if by some miracle they manage to defeat Ukraine, they will start talking to us on an equal footing. No, they won't start.

Either start inflicting real damage on the West, or nothing will come of it.

[Former soldier]

So in vain our leadership expects that even if by some miracle they manage to defeat Ukraine, they will start talking to us on an equal footing. No, they won't start.

Do we need their conversations? Let them go through the forest with their conversations.

[Boris Sergeev]

If you cause real damage to the West, then the daughter of the Minister of Defense will not be allowed into Dubai.

[Epaulettes]

Quote: Boris Sergeev

If you cause real damage to the West, then the daughter of the Minister of Defense will not be allowed into Dubai.

Or won't they let you out?

[VladMirU]

Personally, I impress the patriots of Russia. And the daughter of MO ...., a bitter plant in her hands.

[your1970]

Quote: Shoulder straps

Either start inflicting real damage on the West, or nothing will come of it.

What real did Stalin inflict damage over the Dry River? For 7 burned aircraft and dead personnel?

[zloybond]

Chatter is two-faced. If it were as they say, then Russia would have had to expel the German and French ambassadors a long time ago, Cancel all possible transit deliveries of raw materials and its own also to Germany and France. And so - it's just two-faced huckstering. And then the metals going through Russia and from Russia to Europe go to the production of weapons that shoot at the soldiers and citizens of Russia. I don't believe in double words. We do not have a firm position. Two-faced merchant's insides.

[Dedok]

Quote: zloybond

Two-faced merchant's insides.

as it was said in the movie "The Fifth Element" - "... so you are warriors? Or traders?"

[zloybond]

And an excellent marker of this is Lukoil's "secret" supplies of fuel from Bulgaria for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. So the whole world laughs at our duplicity.

[VladMirU]

Not with us. Putin, the Government, the Duma... . I personally am ready to lower my standard of living.

[tihonmarine]

How many Ukrainians will die in this case and whether this state will continue to exist in the future, the Americans are not interested. Feeding from the hand of the United States, Zelensky will not stop the war

An analysis of the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine after 11 months of the war was distributed at NATO headquarters. One of the main conclusions is that the quality of the personnel of the Ukrainian army is constantly falling. The main reason is the high losses suffered by personnel units in the period from March to September, which actually "knocked out" the most trained fighters, especially in infantry, airborne and "special forces" units.

If in March the ratio of professional (served for more than a year) contract soldiers in infantry brigades was up to 50% percent, and among the mobilized combat experience of participating in battles in the Donbass or simply experience of serving in the army was more than 65%, then by August the professional core was reduced to 20 %, and among the mobilized up to 35%. And by December, up to 15% - 20% of battle-hardened fighters remained in infantry brigades, and, among other things, due to those who received combat experience, mobilized, and among freshly mobilized, the percentage of those with service experience fell to 10%, moreover, most served in the Soviet army.

For 11 months of fighting, some infantry brigades have already changed three compositions (they rotated after losing more than 50% of the killed and wounded) and today they retain the professional backbone at the level of brigade command and battalion command. The soldiers have become a variable composition and this leads to a noticeable drop in the motivation of the rank and file.

If in the spring up to 70% were highly motivated fighters, then the latest polls show that no more than 25% of soldiers can be considered motivated. In the officer corps, the number is higher and reaches 50%. At the same time, in the current wave of mobilization, the percentage of those who are ready to serve and deliberately go to recruiting stations does not exceed 10%, both among privates and among officers called up from the reserve. There is a general apathy of the replenishment, disbelief in the victory of Ukraine and outright fear. The number of deviators, those who are hiding from mobilization, is enormous.
http://новости-украины.ru-an.info/новости/как-всу-приведут-украину-к-военному-поражению/

[your1970]

Quote: tihonmarine

and among the newly mobilized, the percentage of those with service experience fell to 10%, moreover, the majority served in the Soviet army.

Are you taking this campaign seriously? They expanded the boundaries of mobilization to 55-60 years old?
Otherwise, they could not serve in the SA in any way - age does not allow finding the USSR

[Reptiloid]

Quote: tihonmarine

..... If in the spring up to 70% were highly motivated fighters ........... in the current wave of mobilization, the percentage of those who are ready to serve and consciously go to recruiting stations does not exceed 10% .....

It turns out that those who were older --- were highly motivated, and the current ---- younger?

[Bolt cutter]

recent polls show that no more than 25% of soldiers can be considered motivated.

Bravely defending Londoner-on-Thames, the Ukrovoen told me this - "no matter how much you feed the wolf, the bear is fatter."

[BorzRio]

I have doubts about the mental health of the leaders and diplomats of the Kremlin. According to their logic, it turns out that killing our military and civilians with the help of Soviet armored vehicles supplied by the West to Ukraine, with the help of artillery and MLRS, Western-style small arms is acceptable and can be negotiated. But Western-made tanks - they are special, they kill twice ?! Doesn't a projectile from Abrams bring the same death to our citizens as a Chimera rocket brings?

[Bully]

Russia is ready for a reasonable dialogue, this position of Moscow has remained unchanged, but at present there is nothing to talk about with the West, said Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov

Another local behind-the-scenes statement (puffing out the cheeks) of a Foreign Ministry employee, designed exclusively for an internal user

[rocket757]

Sergey Ryabkov: After the decision on the supply of tanks, it is pointless to talk not only with puppets from Kyiv, but also with puppeteers from the USA

. And then, here he is such a "partner", Sam Brook.

[Reptiloid]

Greetings Victor I wonder if Merkle hadn’t blabbed, would ours have hoped so?

Quote: rocket757

...., here he is such a "partner", Sam Brook.

[VladMirU]

It seems like ..
Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment

[Former soldier]

Feeding from the hands of the United States, Zelensky will not stop the war, it is unprofitable for him.

Not just unprofitable, but simply life-threatening.

[JonnyT]

All these arguments are similar to phantom pains about past diplomatic gatherings with Western partners ....

And so, yes, it's time to cut off the supply of any raw materials and dual-use goods to unfriendly countries

[epicurean]

Quote: JonnyT

And so, yes, it's time to cut off the supply of any raw materials and dual-use goods to unfriendly countries

Russia has nothing that allows it to keep other countries behind Faberge. It has already become completely clear that the West manages quite well without Russian raw materials. And some super-technologies, without which some industry will stall in the West, simply do not exist.

Personally, I see only two advantages in this

1) The looting of Russian raw materials stopped, which went anywhere and to anyone, but not for the development of the country

2) Russia will have a chance to recover from the "Dutch disease" and there will be an incentive to produce something from the intellectual sphere.
Over the past 25 years of the oil and gas boom, when we were promised that this money would help us learn how to produce intellectual goods, it turned out to be just a myth and a fodder base for all sorts of thieves.

[your1970]

Quote: epicurean

1) The looting of Russian raw materials stopped, which went anywhere and to anyone, but not for the development of the country

how to pay salaries at factories producing titanium until additional aircraft factories are built to consume excess titanium?
Titanium workers don't eat...

Quote: epicurean

During the last 25 years of the oil and gas boom, when we were promised that this money would help us learn how to produce an intellectual product,

lengthen the term a little, until 1972. Then they also promised a lot of things ... well, the truth is they didn’t plunder, they just pooped .....

[BorzRio]

Russian raw materials have now begun to sell for next to nothing to those who are ready to buy them - China, India and the like.

[VladMirU]

Tell Manturov that it is necessary to develop and increase the added value of this raw material through high processing.

[Epaulettes]

Quote: Former soldier

Do we need their conversations?

And you read the article.
Ryabkov says Russia is ready for dialogue.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

I don’t really understand this endless chewing of the prevailing evidence by our Foreign Ministry and another statement of the obvious ....
Any negotiations take place in two cases: either the victory of one of the parties, or the defeat of one of the parties. Accordingly, the positions in these negotiations are determined by the presence of tactical and strategic victories!
That is why the military should help the diplomat with weighty and reinforced concrete arguments!
At the moment we don't have many of them.

[your1970]

Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira

Any negotiations take place in two cases: either victory one of the parties, or defeat one of the parties.

Oh how ......
I’m embarrassed to ask, when Khrushch sent 2 islands to the Japanese, who defeated whom?
Or when in Potsdam at the negotiations of the Allies Germany was skinned, did we defeat the Allies or vice versa?

[kor1vet1974]

So, in order for some kind of dialogue to take place, it is necessary to put Kyiv in a stalemate, then the owners of Zelensky themselves will come running with a proposal to negotiate.

For 11 months we put Kyiv in a stalemate, a grain deal, for example, the surrender of Kherson, so that the port would function and import and export would be carried out through it .. Supply of gas, oil to the same Ukraine ..

[Anatoly Proskurin]

What did you think? After they crap with Mazepia, they crap with the preparation of the country for war! A bunch of generals, but NO FIGHTERS! Generals parquet. Armats, Warriors, Centuries-show-off parade !!!!... What do you think they look at us now? ... After the Finnish War, Adolf, who was afraid of the Red Army for the amount of weapons, saw what our military leaders were really capable of ... And development of the Barbarossa began. Happened June 22, 41! The negligence of our leadership, again, is compensated by the heroism and lives of RUSSIAN soldiers.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

After the Finnish war, Hitler saw that it was possible to break into defensive lines even in very rough terrain. After that, he began to spit on the Maginot line.
And he got into the USSR because his analysts turned out to be fools. They did not take into account what a planned economy is capable of.

[Foul skeptic]

After the Finnish War, Hitler saw that it is possible to break into defensive lines even in conditions of rugged terrain. After that, he began to spit on the Maginot line

And that's why he didn't hack it, but bypassed it through the Benelux? )))

And he got into the USSR because his analysts turned out to be fools.

Analysts openly said that Germany would lose if hostilities dragged on longer than 2 months. And in the first month, Moscow, Leningrad and Kyiv must be captured. Stalin previously personally ordered the German attache to organize a trip around the industry of the Urals in order to show the futility of military operations. Therefore, everyone in Germany understood. Hitler was shot down by the disinformation launched by the British through the German embassy in the United States that the USSR was planning to start hostilities against Germany, while trying the last landing on the islands.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

And that's why he didn't hack it, but bypassed it through the Benelux? )))

So you don’t even know that in addition to bypassing the Maginot Line, there was also a breakthrough.
Very revealing, however, characterizes the depth of your knowledge. Get enlightened.

Analysts openly said that Germany would lose if hostilities dragged on longer than 2 months. And in the first month, Moscow, Leningrad and Kyiv must be captured. Stalin previously personally ordered the German attache to organize a trip around the industry of the Urals in order to show the futility of military operations. Therefore, everyone in Germany understood. Hitler was shot down by the disinformation launched by the British through the German embassy in the United States that the USSR was planning to start hostilities against Germany, while trying the last landing on the islands.

Have you read Rezun? It happens. German analysts evaluated industrial facilities according to market standards. They still did not know how military production could increase in a planned economy.

[Foul skeptic]

So you don’t even know that in addition to bypassing the Maginot Line, there was also a breakthrough.

Pictures from Wikipedia are certainly good, but you can find normal literature about the construction of the Maginot Line and read what it was like on the Franco-Belgian border.

Have you read Rezun? It happens.

Sudoplatov.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Will you still argue and continue to demonstrate your ignorance?
For starters, ask at least what it meant for the Germans to "ring the bell."
Hints.

[Foul skeptic]

For starters, ask at least what it meant for the Germans to "ring the bell"

The fact that your "knowledge" is a superficial search of Internet articles is not new to me. In this case, the information migrated to the network from the GAME site, with pictures from there. You can't even name the location of the photo. And that means confirming that this is the Franco-German border, and not the Franco-Belgian. If you want to know about the Maginot line, read the books of Kaufman and Bruge.
Let us return to the question whether the Germans bypassed or broke through the Maginot Line.
And for this we need to talk about the Gelb plan, and not show photos of armored caps. You cited a map above, but you didn’t bother to think that it showed you. At least look at the dates - June 13-25. On the territory of France, German units were already on May 13 - a month before the situation that your map shows. And if you take the trouble to take maps for previous periods, you will discover that through the Maginot line on the German-French border ... there are no arrows, because you concluded from them that there was a breakthrough
I'll say more the isolation of the garrisons, that's right, and not the breakthrough of the Maginot line - part of the Gelb plan, called the Tiger and the Bear, launched by 16-19 corps on June 14, the day PARIS WAS TAKEN. On June 17, the operation was completed. All military operations on the Franco-German border on the part of the Germans were limited to fettering 500 people of the garrison until the capture of key strategic points, so that the French could not use this abyss of people in other directions.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

So, according to your version, was there a breakthrough of the Maginot line, or not?

[Foul skeptic]

It is written clearly enough to make it possible to draw a conclusion yourself, which is not "my version", but an undisputed historical fact.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

So you continue to dispute the fact of the breakthrough of the Maginot line?

[Foul skeptic]

So you continue to dispute the fact of the breakthrough of the Maginot line?

I keep arguing this

After the Finnish war, Hitler saw that it was possible to break into defensive lines even in very rough terrain. After that, he began to spit on the Maginot line

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Your attempt to get out failed. Here are your words:

And therefore he didn't break it, but bypassed through the Benelux? )))

Do you keep insisting on it?

[Foul skeptic]

And where did you see the twisting - I just repeated what I specifically consider stupidity.

Do you keep insisting on it?

Naturally. Try to prove otherwise. Just read the definition of a "fortified line" beforehand to understand its purpose. Perhaps this will help prevent further unpromising conversation.
PS Have you at least familiarized yourself with the content of excerpts from specialized literature? If a foreign language caused difficulties, do not be shy, ask, I will translate for you.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

So let's write it down, the vile skeptic insists that the Germans did not break through the Maginot line.

[Foul skeptic]

So let's write it down, the vile skeptic insists that the Germans did not break through the Maginot line.

Yes, you can at least get a tattoo on your forehead, if again there is nothing to say about the essence of the issue, again they could not confirm the point of view.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

It remains only to quote.

Here is my rhetorician, giving free rein to the flow,
Did not find the end of moralizing,
But what? While he sang him,
Vaska’s cat ate all the fries.

And I would cook differently
He ordered to hack on the wall:
So that there is no waste of speeches,
Where you need the power to use.

[tatarin1972]

We ourselves started the NWO, why try to negotiate with someone? War is already the last argument when diplomacy has exhausted itself. What do our guides and tongues hope for? That they will listen and everything will return to normal? This is vryatli. Until we destroy someone indicatively, nuclear weapons (I think England should be a priority) will never be considered with us, they will crush and shit.

[AdAstra]

Will we supply resources silently?""""

[Nikolay Malyugin]

I wonder what the diplomats are going to receive money for? There is no need to talk here, there, too, only puff out your cheeks. Name at least one war where there would be no supply of foreign weapons. But at the same time, they did not announce the termination of diplomatic negotiations. This is just a shadow on the wattle fence.

[VladMirU]

And this is our Foreign Ministry .... He only understood .. And only after the mention of tanks. And for some reason, I always knew about it. (Followed by the thoughtful expression of Lavrov)

[Petr_Koldunov]

Everything is correct and clearly you say there in the Foreign Ministry. And everything is on point.
The question is: well, WHY are you still talking to them and checking your foreign policy with how they look there - isn't it too askew and displeased?