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“Abrams can become a problem for the Armed Forces”: the foreign press called the American tank a whimsical machine

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“Abrams can become a problem for the Armed Forces”: the foreign press called the American tank a whimsical machine

Exploitation of American tanks showed the high complexity of their use and maintenance, and without proper skills, the use of these machines at the front will become a big problem for the Ukrainian army.


Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, but the problem is to keep these "horses" in fighting condition.

- it is noted in the publication Pucará Defensa, unreasonably believing that the West is supplying independent military equipment free of charge.

As indicated, the Abrams M1 has a power plant, which consists of a Honeywell gas turbine connected to an Allison transmission.

This power plant and the tank as a whole are not easy to operate and maintain and require an established supply of spare parts, special equipment for their maintenance and a lot of time for personnel to acquire the necessary skills.

- explained in the foreign press, pointing out that even during their first combat use during the Persian Gulf War, M1 demonstrated whimsicality and low reliability during operation and difficulty in carrying out repairs.

The Leopard 2 is powered by an MTU 873 engine and a Renk transmission. As noted, the MTU-RENK combination has proven itself and is widely used in many other armored vehicles (for example, on the Argentine TAM medium tank):

This power plant and the tank as a whole are easier to operate and maintain than the M1, which, in particular, reduces the time for crew training.


In addition, as the author points out, the body of the Leopard 2 is lower, which makes it easier to disguise it, the tank consumes almost 6 times less energy than the M1, has a better power density, greater autonomy and, at the same time, similar weapons.

Logistics plays a fundamental role in the war in Ukraine. Therefore, in this situation, Abrams, but not Leopard 2, can become a headache for the APU

- the author concludes.

For our part, we note that, apparently, this concern is shared by the Pentagon, supplying the Armed Forces of Ukraine with 31 tanks along with 8 ARVs. That is, there are 8 repair vehicles for three companies, while in the US Army one ARV is intended for each company.

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  1. Orange Bigg
    Orange Bigg 29 January 2023 12: 15
    0
    Yes, the Abrams will not reach Ukraine. The Americans have already said that not this year. Because they don’t want to spoil the myth of the invincible Abrams. our Abrams. So buy them.
    1. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 29 January 2023 12: 30
      +5
      Quote from Orange Bigg
      Yes, the Abrams will not reach Ukraine. The Americans have already said that not this year. Because they don’t want to spoil the myth of the invincible Abrams. our Abrams. So buy them.

      It's that simple, right?
      What if it turns out the way he says? What will you say then? How's the perspective, do you like it?
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 29 January 2023 12: 34
        -5
        Hooray patriots ahead of the rest, you've been here for years.......)
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 29 January 2023 13: 01
          -6
          Quote: Alien From
          Hooray patriots ahead of the rest,

          Often the dream of reason is compensated by cheers for patriotism and hatred. )))
          1. Egeny
            Egeny 29 January 2023 18: 41
            +4
            Of course, it would be nice to meet this multi-ton "miracle" on the Polish border ... so that it remains there as a monument ...
            Duma general Kartapolov at Solovyov's office stated that the Taliban in the Afghan province of Helmand burned these "mastodons" from conventional RPG-7 grenade launchers.
            Smiling, he said that they burned well. Yes, and the Kurds in Syria ... also added their five cents. No wonder now these "abrams" are all in the screen grilles.
        2. Luka Nord
          Luka Nord 29 January 2023 13: 13
          +8
          Quote: Alien From
          Hooray patriots ahead of the rest, you've been here for years.......)

          There are quite a few of us here, no matter how we were banned and whined by young libra .. I like Stalin and Peter the Great with Ivan the Terrible I love vodka and parades!
          We old farts remember everything and are trying to remind young people who their grandfathers and great-grandfathers were hi

          Now everyone will be trivialized, but that’s exactly what happened .. And your States were terribly afraid of the Soviet Union. They were literally shaking when we conducted exercises and especially warmed up tanks in the GDR ..

          Oh youth and pride for the country rolled over
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 29 January 2023 13: 23
            +4
            Quote from Luka Nord
            We old farts remember everything and are trying to remind young people who their grandfathers and great-grandfathers were

            Yes, we are trying, and we are raising our children this way! But along with this, it is necessary to clearly know and give children an understanding that the merits of the USSR do not concern the Russian Federation in any way. The Russian Federation is the antagonist state of the USSR, the Russian Federation buried all those gains of socialism for which our grandfathers fought in the Great Patriotic War!
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 29 January 2023 14: 41
              +1
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              the merits of the USSR do not concern the Russian Federation in any way. RF - state antagonist of the USSR

              In this case, by what right did the USSR attach itself to the glory of the Russian Empire?
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 29 January 2023 15: 29
                -1
                Quote: Dart2027
                In this case, by what right did the USSR attach itself to the glory of the Russian Empire?

                And when did the USSR attach itself to the glory of the Republic of Ingushetia? Something I don’t remember that Stalin would say that we defeated Napoleon or the Polovtsians with the Pechenegs. )))
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 29 January 2023 16: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  And when did the USSR attach itself to the glory of the Republic of Ingushetia?

                  Suvorov, Kutuzov, Ushakov - whose generals are these?
                  1. alekseykabanets
                    alekseykabanets 29 January 2023 17: 48
                    -3
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Suvorov, Kutuzov, Ushakov - whose generals are these?

                    Do you have any problems with reading comprehension?
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Something I don’t remember that Stalin would say that we defeated Napoleon or the Polovtsians with the Pechenegs. )))

                    And today they say that we defeated fascism, diligently draping the mausoleum, taking away from the people all the gains of Soviet power.
                    1. Repellent
                      Repellent 29 January 2023 18: 16
                      -3
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      today they say that we defeated fascism

                      Please clarify:

                      Who exactly are "they"?
                      Who exactly is "we"?
                      - and a reference to where "they say so."

                      Otherwise, the chatter turns out request yes
                    2. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 29 January 2023 19: 07
                      -1
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      And today they say that we defeated fascism

                      I would like to see where Putin ascribes to himself the victory over Hitler.
            2. Luka Nord
              Luka Nord 29 January 2023 14: 44
              -3
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Quote from Luka Nord
              We old farts remember everything and are trying to remind young people who their grandfathers and great-grandfathers were

              Yes, we are trying, and we are raising our children this way! But along with this, it is necessary to clearly know and give children an understanding that the merits of the USSR do not concern the Russian Federation in any way. The Russian Federation is the antagonist state of the USSR, the Russian Federation buried all those gains of socialism for which our grandfathers fought in the Great Patriotic War!

              Our children and grandchildren will soon have to fight. They should have a sitmul For what and why! Here is a very serious question. hi
              Well, everything is clear with PMCs there .. But for the Russian Army, someone should fight for our families and children hi
              Anglo-Saxon welfare states usually destroy Libya, Iraq, etc.
              Next in line is Russia with its resources and free education and treatment hehe
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 29 January 2023 15: 35
                0
                Quote from Luka Nord
                Our children and grandchildren will soon have to fight. They should have a sitmul For what and why! Here is a very serious question.

                And under what slogan will you invite my children to fight? Just asking out of curiosity? Will we defend Potanin's factories, Abramovich's factories, long live paid medicine, paid education, endless price increases? It will be difficult for me to convince my children to fight under these slogans.)))
                1. frei67
                  frei67 29 January 2023 16: 06
                  +1
                  and do not fight for slogans. You need to fight for your homeland, for fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, for a neighbor's girl.
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 30 January 2023 15: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: frei67
                    We must fight for our country

                    so it is not yours, but the Usmanovs and Abromovichs. wink it turns out interesting ... how to distribute the results of labor so it is their (Usmanovo-Obramov’s) factories, firms, agricultural land, oil, gas, etc., and you are just a hired worker who was allowed to work hard and earn some money from a master’s shoulder, but how to defend your homeland, so it is suddenly "ours" and you go to war, and not the oligarchs and their offspring. what
              2. Skeptic3
                Skeptic3 29 January 2023 18: 55
                -3
                Our children and grandchildren will soon have to fight


                In case you haven't noticed, your grandchildren and children are already at war. Unfortunately.
          2. Alien From
            Alien From 29 January 2023 13: 36
            0
            "" And your States "" are you to whom ????
            1. Luka Nord
              Luka Nord 29 January 2023 14: 32
              0
              Quote: Alien From
              "" And your States "" are you to whom ????

              Yes, to you, sorry, you had such a comment hi
              I'm very angry now .. Perhaps I was mistaken!
              1. Alien From
                Alien From 29 January 2023 14: 49
                +3
                Accepted! hi though the Union has sunk into oblivion more than 30 years ago ...... and your video is beautiful.
                1. Luka Nord
                  Luka Nord 29 January 2023 14: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Alien From
                  Accepted! hi though the Union has sunk into oblivion more than 30 years ago ...... and your video is beautiful.

                  Thank you for understanding my friend..
                  And the Union can’t be returned, and thank God, there they are, how the devils behave, they demand freebies .. well, well
                  We will kill EVERYONE who tries to extort from Russia, etc.
                  We will clean up Moscow !!! And then everything else ..

                  We all remember Soviet officers. soldier

          3. Ryaruav
            Ryaruav 29 January 2023 16: 41
            +1
            Yes, there was a country, there was an army, there was a navy (and not only the navy) it’s nice to look at these shots where, as Pupkin says, there are only galoshes, damn shit
          4. Skeptic3
            Skeptic3 29 January 2023 18: 52
            -3
            Now everyone will vulgarize, but that's exactly what happened

            When military pensioners from garages watch such cartoons and shed a mean tear for their youth, this is normal. Earlier, as you know, the sun shone brighter and the girls were younger.

            And when such pensioners get power in the country - expect trouble ...
        3. Shamil88
          Shamil88 29 January 2023 15: 34
          +5
          This is the only thing that the authorities have learned to do well, build bot farms, create the illusion that we have not even started anything, NATO tanks will drown in the mud, belittle the enemy’s abilities, in fact this is sabotage, not propaganda, here they are at least limited to a minus, but in a cart, VK, etc., they immediately blacklist and triple the mother with insults in the comments and no one blocks them.
      2. carpenter
        carpenter 29 January 2023 12: 50
        +5
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        What if it turns out the way he says? What will you say then? How's the perspective, do you like it?

        As always - "do not believe your eyes, but believe my words."
        Sbrehat to the states, that a bald girl, braid a braid.
        1. dorz
          dorz 29 January 2023 13: 19
          0
          When the states say no to arms sales, you need to start worrying right away.
      3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 29 January 2023 13: 01
        +1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        What if it turns out the way he says? What will you say then? How's the perspective, do you like it?

        They already sent their self-propelled guns, I think the mechanics too, the deployment of repair zones for the abrams in this context can only be if they themselves are going to fight on them, no one will raise kipish because of the mechanics who themselves went there, but they already wrote about f-16, that it is necessary to seriously straighten airfields, or be based in a neighboring country ... but whether they have all this time is a big question. hi
      4. Dart2027
        Dart2027 29 January 2023 13: 20
        -3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        What if it turns out the way he says?

        Well, what does he say? That the US military is participating in the database on the side of Ukraine? So everyone has known this for a long time. That the United States "maybe" has already prepared some centers in Ukraine? So, foreign advisers have already flown in more than once, which, by the way, was also written about. About the "no-fly zone"? So if they could, then they would not wait for any reasons. About nuclear weapons? Well, nothing depends on us here, if we don't follow Katz's advice.
      5. Novichek
        Novichek 29 January 2023 14: 10
        -2
        . What if it turns out the way he says?
        . There will definitely not be a nuclear war, simply because the instigators of all this mess themselves (that is, the richest people on the planet) will not allow this. Simply by the fact that for the time being, they are a "spare planet" for themselves - they have not acquired loved ones. As for the Russian oligarchs, if they can bargain for more or less acceptable conditions, then not only Crimea, but the whole of Russia can go "payment account"
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 29 January 2023 14: 36
          +2
          Quote: Novichek)
          There won't be a nuclear war

          I would like your confidence.)))
          Quote: Novichek)
          As for the Russian oligarchs, if they can bargain for more or less acceptable conditions, then not only Crimea, but the whole of Russia can go "payment account"

          Such an attempt is sure to take place. Let's wait and see, the fun is just beginning.
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      7. _simply
        _simply 30 January 2023 07: 16
        0
        This is in harmony with the statement of one current big shot from NATO, who said that the Alliance is ready for a clash with Russia ... True, some weapons need to be updated. he said. So it goes.
      8. mototun
        mototun 30 January 2023 18: 29
        +1
        he lied twice in this video; therefore, the rest of his "analysts" of faith, alas, also can not wait
  2. Andy_nsk
    Andy_nsk 29 January 2023 12: 15
    -2
    Just today I read that the Abrams supplied to the outskirts will be re-equipped: the uranium inserts protecting the tank will be replaced with other materials, and I will also remove the most modern electronic equipment. So the security of the tank will be at the level of the 80s of the last century (no higher than that of the T-72B and T-90). Therefore deliveries - not earlier than summer.
    1. Orange Bigg
      Orange Bigg 29 January 2023 12: 20
      -1
      Well, that is, the level of the Abrams during the war in Iraq. Here they are. Admire.


      1. skeptick2
        skeptick2 29 January 2023 12: 50
        +4
        Pretty.
        And once again I breathed a sigh of relief.
        And once again I was convinced that everything that the West supplies to the Armed Forces of Ukraine is obsolete rubbish, rusty iron, junk, which does not pose any danger to Russia.
        One thing is not clear - why, then, in connection with these deliveries, such a terrible howl and screech rose on our talk shows? Why is everyone so concerned all of a sudden?
        1. Repellent
          Repellent 29 January 2023 13: 01
          -11
          Quote from: skeptick2
          One thing is not clear - why, then, in connection with these deliveries, such a terrible howl and screech rose on our talk shows?

          Bablo forge. Suckers are huddled. You are doing the same here - what are you asking?
      2. carpenter
        carpenter 29 January 2023 13: 28
        0
        Quote from Orange Bigg
        Well, that is, the level of the Abrams during the war in Iraq. Here they are. Admire.

        I love when the stream murmurs
        When, like a fire in the night "Abrams" burns,
        When grass grows, flowers.
    2. Mikhail Maslov
      Mikhail Maslov 29 January 2023 12: 23
      -1
      Of course, there in the USA they understand what their tanks are waiting for. So they will send if they still send tanks of the first issues and at the same time they will accuse the Banderlogs themselves of incorrect command, use, assignment, and in general when you just die.
  3. Argon
    Argon 29 January 2023 12: 17
    -2
    The ground is already being prepared, and most importantly, through fake media.
  4. Mikhail Maslov
    Mikhail Maslov 29 January 2023 12: 20
    -1
    They can’t become, and they have already become before they got to the banderlogs. Wait and "Leopards and other animals" will become a headache, first of all, the banderlogs themselves
  5. paul3390
    paul3390 29 January 2023 12: 20
    +9
    Why use them properly? As I understand it, formations armed with Western equipment will be used once and in one place. Let's say - for a breakthrough to the Crimea or Mariupol. If this fails, it will not matter at all how many of them will remain in service after the operation .. Yes, at least they will kill everyone in the steppes of the Kherson region - the main thing is that the result will be achieved. Already with something - but the junta does not consider losses and is not going to reckon with them.
    1. Bingo
      Bingo 29 January 2023 12: 24
      +7
      So I’ve been amazed for days on this site - right away, without equivocation, it was said - under attack. And in NATO, and in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and in the United States right away - about the attack on the Crimea. Another, obvious, PR action, such as an offensive before the US elections, obviously failed simply because the enemy is ready for it. But I see that not everyone even understood what was said and repeated in plain text ... Well, what for kamikaze bells and whistles and a competent crew?
      1. skeptick2
        skeptick2 29 January 2023 12: 55
        -1
        Attacking the Crimea is utter stupidity.
        I do not know who gave the command to our media to promote this topic.
        The problem with the Crimea for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is being solved in a different plane, no one will climb there through the isthmus, exposing themselves to a blow. We went through using the element of surprise and Ukraine's disbelief that the war would start. But now the situation is different.
        It is enough for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to cut the land corridor and neutralize traffic on the Crimean bridge.
        And that's it. Problem solved. And the Crimea will be in the position of Kherson.
        Why does everyone think that if we stupidly break into the frontal, then the enemy will do the same?
        1. Bingo
          Bingo 29 January 2023 13: 56
          -1
          And I'm sorry, the autumn pre-election offensive for the victory of the Democrats in the USA - was it not a frontal one? How many were there near Kherson and Liman only grinded with artillery? That in the same Transcarpathia they still can’t bury everyone - they lie in the wagons, they give them out gradually, so that the region, already fucked up from coffins, doesn’t dug out and doesn’t run away into the forest? So here too - the father had already ordered - they did not give the serf a word. Tramp, it is on the Crimea, and it is in the forehead. Because it was already promised to their voters in the USA
          1. skeptick2
            skeptick2 29 January 2023 16: 04
            +1
            Did you even follow the course of hostilities then? At least on a map?
            What the hell are frontal ones?
            If we "regrouped" at such a speed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not keep up with us?
    2. Stepan S
      Stepan S 29 January 2023 12: 28
      +1
      Why use them properly?

      Yes, absolutely right. Still not mine, sorry. Even if the task is not completed, it does not matter - what is the demand from them? They will also demand and accuse partners that the tank was "of the wrong system."
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 29 January 2023 12: 38
        +1
        Here everyone forgets a simple thing: the Western freaks of tanks of all stripes dofiga, this is the problem.
        1. Orange Bigg
          Orange Bigg 29 January 2023 12: 51
          -2
          Quote: Alien From
          Here everyone forgets a simple thing: the Western freaks of tanks of all stripes dofiga, this is the problem.


          The German Ministry of Defense says that they themselves do not have enough tanks. Therefore, it gives only 14 pieces. If this is a dofig for you, of course.
          1. Alien From
            Alien From 29 January 2023 13: 40
            +2
            Everyone respected, everyone, the entire Western world! We have no allies, we need to clearly understand this.
          2. skeptick2
            skeptick2 29 January 2023 13: 45
            +4
            In Soviet times, the children's song "A river begins from a blue stream" was very popular ... Do you remember this one?
            The main thing is that the precedent has been set. The reaction of Russia is tracked, it is none. Further, the river will only expand.
            By the way, why do you focus only on deliveries from Germany? "Leopards" are not only there. And Germany will not object to deliveries by other countries. She has already made this clear.
            And than. Do not forget that there was no Lend-Lease as such. Have you forgotten about him? Hard to believe...
            1. NOMADE
              NOMADE 29 January 2023 15: 30
              -1
              There is an interesting parallel with lend-lease. Only, now the states are no longer the same as Europe. By the way, there is no operating tank building plant in the USA. And it was amazing to find out that they are sending Abrams. As for aviation, they can theoretically greatly saturate the troops of Ukraine, but again, there are questions with the pilots.
  6. Stepan S
    Stepan S 29 January 2023 12: 26
    +3
    The United States is in a hurry to transfer the Abrams to Ukraine - the statement was made for the Germans, so that they could not make a decision on the transfer "supposedly not the first."
    After the transfer of the Leopards, the United States will see if it makes sense to transfer the Abrams - fortunately, he provided a notable reserve of time for himself, more than six months. Well, if they have to be transferred, then the tanks may not go to the front line. they will circle around Kyiv and Lvov so that they can take selfies and upload photos.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 January 2023 12: 27
    0
    Pucara Defensa
    Argentine edition if I'm not mistaken. The differences in the power plant of the "Abrams" and "Leopard" were compared, one can say clearly giving preference to the German tank. There is a lot of talk today about tanks planned for delivery to Ukraine in various media. And everywhere the emphasis is on the fact that the American tank is difficult to operate, which suggests the idea that the Americans are actively promoting this idea through various media to "justify" their slowness in their deliveries.
    1. ved_med12
      ved_med12 29 January 2023 13: 02
      -1
      Here are the goofs....
      Instead of leopards, for some reason they buy abrash!!1
      P. s. Further, a quote from Lavrov ...
  8. Egeny
    Egeny 29 January 2023 12: 32
    -3
    Of course, it would be nice to meet this multi-ton "miracle" on the Polish border ... so that it remains there as a monument ...
    Duma general Kartapolov at Solovyov's office stated that the Taliban in the Afghan province of Helmand burned these "mastodons" from conventional RPG-7 grenade launchers.
    Smiling, he said that they burned well. Yes, and the Kurds in Syria ... also added their five cents. No wonder now these "abrams" are all in the screen grilles.
    1. Orange Bigg
      Orange Bigg 29 January 2023 12: 53
      -5
      Most of the Abrams were burned in Iraq from primitive RPG-7.RPG-7! And if you hit something heavier with the same artillery or from a tank, then what will be left of Abrams?
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 January 2023 12: 43
    +1
    Abrams - with a gas turbine, like the T-80.
    Same advantages and disadvantages.
    Sharp jerks from a standstill for several hundred meters are an advantage.
    Fuel consumption is a disadvantage.
    1. Rage66
      Rage66 29 January 2023 14: 12
      -1
      The fuel consumption of the T-80 is 500 liters per 100 km. Abrams' fuel consumption is 1.500 liters per 100 km. Don't thank soldier
      1. Alf
        Alf 29 January 2023 21: 03
        -1
        Quote: Rage66
        The fuel consumption of the T-80 is 500 liters per 100 km.

        On the highway, on the ground more.

        Abrams is about the same on the highway, I didn’t look for it on the ground, if you have it, bring it, I will be grateful.
  10. carpenter
    carpenter 29 January 2023 12: 46
    -1
    It is noted in the publication Pucará Defensa, unreasonably believing that the West supplies military equipment to the independent on a gratuitous basis.

    Where where, but in the West, more and more of us know the saying - that "free cheese is only in a mousetrap." The West will strangle itself for a 10 cent coin, and then "lards of bucks", but into the wind, or rather into the "black square sewer". You will have to pay for everything, the banana republics know this, but in Ukraine "having bananas is dumb", you will have to pay with the land that will remain after the rule of the Semitic clowns.
  11. K-50
    K-50 29 January 2023 12: 54
    -2
    “Abrams can become a problem for the Armed Forces of Ukraine”: an American tank was named in the foreign press whimsical machine

    First read lustful, I tried to imagine what it was, I understood, I read it incorrectly. lol
  12. Expert
    Expert 29 January 2023 12: 58
    0
    The main thing is that these tanks do not become a problem for the RF Armed Forces ..
  13. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 29 January 2023 12: 58
    -2
    A tank running on aviation kerosene ...
    Well, of course, this is the most for Ukraine!
    fool
    1. Alf
      Alf 29 January 2023 21: 04
      +1
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      A tank running on aviation kerosene ...
      Well, of course, this is the most for Ukraine!
      fool

      What's the problem ?
  14. evgen1221
    evgen1221 29 January 2023 13: 27
    0
    And why amers immediately drive their tanks. They are in the second third echelon after the Europeans will go to finish off and seize territories for themselves. And then if Europe does not reset itself to zero, but resets itself to zero, then there is no one to answer to.
  15. ASM
    ASM 29 January 2023 14: 14
    0
    Well, if they can also change the oil on the Abrams on the outskirts, then it is impossible to perform repairs closer to Poland. This is naturally much closer than France with the Leclercs, but also. not at hand. But the fatty Ukrainian chernozems, even in a slightly frozen state, are insurmountable for the abrams. Those. such equipment can be dragged into cover and used as a self-propelled gun, but it will not perform tank work in a breakthrough. And for Sau, shaved challengers with a rifled barrel and crowbars are better suited.
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 29 January 2023 17: 18
      +4
      Quote from A.S.M.
      But the fatty Ukrainian chernozems, even in a slightly frozen state, are insurmountable for the abrams.


      Abrams was initially tested at the Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maroland and tested successfully. And this state is by no means a desert - it is, despite the height of 7 m above sea level, a wet seaside agricultural state, a redneck's dream. And the test site itself is generally located near the river, and, probably, is flooded by it, which made a certain sense, since the test site was originally historically made to test equipment on a landscape similar to German landscapes and then to Soviet ones - wet and swampy (it’s enough to look at the soil map or photos of local landscapes). Therefore, Abrams should not be confused with Merkava - he was invented for movement precisely on wet soils and was successfully tested on them, although he fights in the deserts.
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%9C%D1%8D%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B0
  16. spirit
    spirit 29 January 2023 14: 25
    +6
    It was not in vain that the Americans dragged 101 airborne troops to Poland + near Abramsy, now they are creating repair bases for the Polish M1 there. Here you have the infrastructure and a bunch of instructors at your side. send the stations and send them to Poland for repairs and back. I don’t see any problems at all. We don’t bomb trains and bridges, so everything will be fine with logistics. hi
    1. Repellent
      Repellent 29 January 2023 14: 39
      -5
      Quote: spirit
      what is the problem of dragging a wrecked tank to a bram to the railway station

      The problem is that BREM is not designed for this. He is an evacuation vehicle, and has never been trawled.

      Quote: Alice in Wonderland
      Girl, don't say words just because they are long and beautiful ...

      Quote: spirit
      everything will be fine with logistics. You can not flatter yourself

      Well, so-so analytics, in general yes
      1. Skeptic3
        Skeptic3 29 January 2023 19: 12
        -2
        The problem is that BREM is not designed for this.

        Tank platform tractors have already been transferred before. Just the very ones that were developed under Abrams.
        Why here they stubbornly refuse to admit the obvious thing - military assistance to Ukraine is well thought out and effective. Everything that comes with one way or another works. And many things work for wear and tear, at the limit of their capabilities. And then repaired and working again.
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 29 January 2023 14: 52
    +2
    “Abrams can become a problem for the Armed Forces”: the foreign press called the American tank a whimsical machine
    . When/if it becomes a problem, there will be a topic for discussion, but for now ...
    1. ASM
      ASM 29 January 2023 16: 13
      +1
      In the meantime, so. the most, because they are stupidly absent. Only a talking shop.
  18. Falcon Buster
    Falcon Buster 29 January 2023 16: 14
    +1
    What is shown at the beginning of the video is an exercise when the evacuation team is training to pull out the tank
  19. runway-1
    runway-1 29 January 2023 17: 46
    +1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Alien From
    Hooray patriots ahead of the rest,

    Often the dream of reason is compensated by cheers for patriotism and hatred. )))

    Quote: Shamil88
    This is the only thing that the authorities have learned to do well, build bot farms, create the illusion that we have not even started anything, NATO tanks will drown in the mud, belittle the enemy’s abilities, in fact this is sabotage, not propaganda, here they are at least limited to a minus, but in a cart, VK, etc., they immediately blacklist and triple the mother with insults in the comments and no one blocks them.

    Yes, unfortunately, instead of social justice, as the basis of social harmony and real confident progressive development of the country, organizational and financial resources were thrown at imitation of success in all areas through official and disguised agitprop in the face of journalists / political scientists-propagandists and an army of trolls ...
  20. VladChernui
    VladChernui 29 January 2023 19: 09
    0
    A heavy tank for spring thaw. And such a serious adversary.
  21. Vano Sheri
    Vano Sheri 29 January 2023 20: 23
    0
    Interestingly, will Russia put Armata on Abrams and cornets? Most likely, they will deliver there and there.
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  23. rotfuks
    rotfuks 30 January 2023 01: 47
    0
    The Leopard 2 is powered by an MTU 873 engine and a Renk transmission. As noted, the MTU-RENK combination has proven itself and is widely used in many other armored vehicles (for example, on the Argentine TAM medium tank):


    In fact, the most famous MTU-RENK combination is the Israeli Merkava Mk4 tank. Only there, for humanitarian reasons, they renamed the German MTU883 motor with one stroke of the pen into the American General Dynamics GD883.
  24. rotfuks
    rotfuks 30 January 2023 02: 08
    -1
    Maybe not everyone knows why the Poles strive to fuse their Leopards to Ukraine. For strong friendship with America, the Poles bought 366 Abrams and transfer Leopards to Ukraine not at all free of charge. The Poles have already submitted a claim to the EU for reimbursement of the cost of the Leopards. With all this, Poland is a poor country and is in the EU on subsidies. But here Poland has laid out 9 billion 200 million euros to spend on the purchase of American tanks. The Bundeschancellor needs to learn from his overseas partners how to promote the sale of weapons.
    1. Skeptic3
      Skeptic3 30 January 2023 09: 10
      -1
      You're wrong. The Polish economy is quite successful. GDP per capita in Poland is much higher than in Russia.
  25. Dedok
    Dedok 30 January 2023 10: 26
    +4
    what do you write about how "everything is bad" with them?
    and how are we - everything is rosy and beautiful?
    how many of you are here on the payroll? like flies on g ... e.
  26. Dedok
    Dedok 30 January 2023 10: 31
    +3
    Quote from A.S.M.
    But the fatty Ukrainian chernozems, even in a slightly frozen state, are insurmountable for the abrams.


    in the Great Patriotic War, the Tigers were also not "fluffs" at all, but competent tactics and strategy of use - allowed us to inflict huge damage
    now they all have a common network-centric standard - they even see what is hidden over the horizon, unlike us, which means problems that need to be discussed and demanded to be solved