US press: The Pentagon advocates the speedy transfer of American F-16 fighters to Ukraine

The United States can positively resolve the issue of transferring F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine; a rather powerful lobby has formed in the Pentagon from the US military, pushing this idea. They are opposed by another group that supports the option of increasing the supply of anti-aircraft systems to Kyiv. Politico writes about this, citing unnamed sources in the US Department of Defense.

The option of transferring F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine has many supporters among the US military, who are pushing this decision in every possible way. And the closer the hypothetical spring offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, within which Zelensky and Co. intend to "liberate all of Ukraine", the more actively this decision is being pushed. According to the source, if Kyiv manages to convince Washington that it is the supply of fighters that will "save Ukraine", then it can receive the planes in the near future. The delivery can take place both from the presence of the US Air Force, and from third countries, for example, the Netherlands.

A group of military representatives quietly persuades the Pentagon to approve the sending of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine

- said the source.

However, there is another group of military men who are in favor of providing Kyiv with more air defense systems, as the Ukrainian Armed Forces are running out of anti-aircraft missiles, and Russian missiles and Drones if they end, then only on paper and in the heads of the Kyiv leadership. In general, they are pushing the delivery of more Patriot and NASAMS air defense systems.

Meanwhile, Kyiv has already named the number of fighters they need, declaring a minimum of 180 F-16 aircraft and compiled lists of 50 pilots ready to be trained on American aircraft. As emphasized in the Air Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all of them are fluent in English and have completed "thousands of combat missions."

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[Ross xnumx]

US press: The Pentagon advocates the speedy transfer of American F-16 fighters to Ukraine

The press is not the Pentagon itself ...
Then there is no reason not to bomb Kyiv from the word “generally”!

[evgen1221]

Why? And what about architecture and, in general, the mother of its Russian cities? That's why they are shy.

[Argon]

I wonder if they will take off from Ukrainian territory?! If from Poland and Romania, then that's it!

[Skeptic3]

I wonder where the Ukrainian Air Force is taking off from now?

[g_ae]

Schaz. Somehow they posted a list of "Russian" owners of business projects in Ukraine in the cart. Impressive. Well, as "Russians", there probably at least every second Israeli or British passport.

[Skeptic3]

Do the possibilities to bomb Kyiv remain?

[svp67]

The United States can positively resolve the issue of transferring F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine; a rather powerful lobby has formed in the Pentagon from the US military, pushing this idea.

There is not even any doubt that soon the "Fighting Falcons" will be in service with the Air Force

Meanwhile, Kyiv has already named the number of fighters they need, declaring a minimum of 180 F-16 aircraft and compiled lists of 50 pilots ready to be trained on American aircraft. As emphasized in the Air Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all of them are fluent in English and have completed "thousands of combat missions."

Yeah ... given that for the full use of a combat aircraft, the ratio of pilots to existing aircraft must be at least 3 to 2, then 180 pilots are needed for 270 Sokolov. They already have 50, as I understand it, the remaining 220 should be "supplied" by NATO countries and their "six"

[Uncle lee]

Quote: svp67

soon "Fighting Falcons" will be in service with the Air Force

And it all started with the Javelins .... So it will come to nuclear weapons!

[bath]

it all stems from Russia's initial swift action and then retreat, "chicken pecking rice."

[Skeptic3]

Alarmist! Ukraine receives weapons with limited strike power and in limited quantities. Often - outdated samples.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Quote: svp67

soon "Fighting Falcons" will be in service with the Air Force

And it all started with the Javelins .... So it will come to nuclear weapons!

Deeper, Vladimir, look - not from Javelins, but from first-aid kits and helmets ...
And it will come to nuclear weapons. I would not want to, of course, but EVERYTHING goes either to the "Caribbean Crisis 2.0" or to the fact that "we will go to heaven, and they will die."

[svp67]

Quote from Uncle Lee

And it all started with the Javelins....

It all started with a hysterical cry: "America is with us!!!"

[lwxx]

There is not even any doubt that soon the "Fighting Falcons" will be in service with the Air Force

I'll tell you more - The head of the NATO military committee, Lieutenant Admiral Rob Bauer, said that the alliance is ready for a direct confrontation with Russia, during an interview with the Portuguese television channel RTP. They no longer hide themselves.

[Skeptic3]

The Alliance has always been ready. The military has such a job - to always be ready for a military conflict. The admiral said nothing new.

[Mikhail Drabkin]

... it is possible and necessary to bomb Kyiv ...

--- Kiev is well protected by air defense systems from Caliber and UAVs. Spending them on him, taking into account the tools that have come down, is like a pellet to an elephant.

—-Russia has temporary tactical air superiority. There is no domination by force of air defense systems of Ukraine. So the Russian Armed Forces fly where necessary only when possible - there are not so many flight equipment to lose it for the spectacle of burning Kyiv, for example.

—- The speed of replenishment of flight equipment is insufficient for voluntaristic losses. I hope that the replenishment of UAVs and Calibers is at the required level - more than 30 and 100 per week, respectively.

[svp67]

Quote: Mikhail Drabkin

-Kiev is well protected by air defense systems from Caliber and UAVs. Spending them on him, taking into account the tools that have come down, is like a pellet to an elephant.

Nevertheless, power supply facilities both in the city itself and in its suburbs are affected. And recently there was an infa that in one of the last strikes it was possible to destroy one Iris launcher ...
The fight between "shield and spear" will never stop...

[bayard]

Quote: Mikhail Drabkin

--- Kiev is well protected by air defense systems from Caliber and UAVs. Spending them on him, taking into account the tools that have come down, is like a pellet to an elephant.

UAV "Geran-2" costs 5 - 10 times cheaper than imported or Soviet missiles, so their use is beneficial for the sake of one depletion from the stocks of missiles. And also for the sake of identifying active air defense systems and their destruction.
And in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation there are such OTRKs as the Iskander, in the BC of which there are not only missiles, but also quite quasi-ballistic , and, most surprisingly, indestructible by modern air defense systems. And Kyiv is quite within their reach.
So there is something. There would be a desire. And Will.

Quote: Mikhail Drabkin

not so much flight equipment to lose it for the spectacle of burning Kyiv, for example.

I am sure that many would be satisfied with the burning government quarter of Kyiv. At least for a start.

[Skeptic3]

UAV "Geran-2" is 5 - 10 times cheaper than imported or Soviet missiles

But much more expensive than a projectile from the Gepard and similar anti-aircraft artillery systems.

[svp67]

Quote from andray

those who kill people you call falcons,

F-16 "Fighting Falcon", aka "Fighting Falcon"

[bayard]

Quote: svp67

There is not even any doubt that soon the "Fighting Falcons" will be in service with the Air Force

Exactly . I think by the middle of spring they will already be (maybe not in full force) in / in Ukraine.

Quote: svp67

Yeah ... given that for the full use of a combat aircraft, the ratio of pilots to existing aircraft must be at least 3 to 2, then 180 pilots are needed for 270 Sokolov. They already have 50, as I understand it, the remaining 220 should be "supplied" by NATO countries and their "six"

I think there is some trickery here. In the very first days of the NWO, graduate / senior cadets of the Kharkov Flight ... Institute (now all military schools have become institutes) were taken to the USA and there they intensively study new materiel. I think there are now up to 150 young pilots there (graduates of last year and those who are graduates now). And those 50 pilots in question are apparently those who are now without aircraft and at the same time have experience in combat missions and combat work.
Of course, this is a somewhat optimistic estimate, but I am sure that the total number of F-16s ready for adoption is approximately the same 180 people. That's probably why the number.
Perhaps in the spring the United States will put in / on their old A-10 attack aircraft, this has been discussed since last summer. So some of the pilots were probably preparing for the A-10. So I would not be surprised at the appearance on the theater of operations of both Sokolov and A-10 ... and the appearance of Mirages-2000 and Eurofighters is already quite likely. But the latter will most likely be with NATO pilots, who will be named " volunteers" or employees of some PMCs.

And most of all, NATO is now afraid of a decisive offensive from Belarus with cutting off supply routes to / from Europe. That is why they disperse hysteria in Poland - in order to scare Belarus.

And yes - air defense. Before NATO aircraft appear in / on, a sufficient number of air defense systems must be deployed there - airfields with NATO aircraft must be well covered. And there should be a lot of airfields. Even if you base a squadron (12 fighters each) at each airfield ... you will need 15 of them. What about spares? And the preparation of these airfields is probably already coming to an end. And they are masked.
And the old airfields in / out since the time of the "damned communists" ... MANY.

[Bingo]

And here there are no brakes at all, no one has knocked them down, there are no myths that this is a "superweapon". What they will deliver - no one doubts, the question is in the pilots - they are too disposable there.
And because of the disposability - do not care what will happen. There will be F-16s or, as it is now, continued deliveries of shamanized junk from Soviet stocks. I was VERY surprised why the Congolese, under France, while Su-shki are not yet in Ukraine. All the same - one flight - and into the mud (Another one Bites The Dust, Queen)

[Egeny]

Bingo, "who just didn't shoot down", you are in vain: the F-16 is the same as the MiG-29, in some ways it is better, in some ways it is worse. More than one and a half thousand pieces were made. And "face in the dirt, queen", so it depends on the pilot.

[Nesvoy]

Almost 16 F-5000s were produced. This is the most massive fighter of the 4th generation.

[Egeny]

Alien, but what am I ... against? Did you give the invoice number?
I said that more .. Minus something for what? Not on the case, "not your"

[Bingo]

Quote from Egeni

F-16 is the same as MiG-29

So I wrote - that's absolutely equally, which will be put.
And with your face in the mud, the song of the Queen group - it depends on the fact that they first need to slip through their air defense - the day before yesterday, the dill themselves again filled up their Drying, and then ours, and they hang out at the top with interesting MIG-31 missiles and shoot down 300 km ... Pilot-pilot, but crying in dill blogs that from the release of 2022 pilots 20% survived ... It says something

[rotmistr60]

The United States can positively resolve the issue of the transfer of F-16 fighters to Ukraine,

Confidence that they will supply prevails over doubts about the supply. The Americans have already made too big bets for "victory on the battlefield" to give back today.

compiled lists of 50 pilots

They want 180 aircraft, but the number of pilots is modest and does not correspond to the declared number of aircraft. So we are not sure that the Americans will supply such a quantity. So it’s not easy for the Americans to immediately give 180, they will give a squadron for testing and see how it turns out.

[bayard]

Quote: rotmistr60

So it’s not easy for the Americans to immediately give 180, they will give a squadron for testing and see how it turns out.

NATO allies will help, those that are now switching from F-16 to F-35 - Holland, Denmark, Belgium, Norway, etc. But 180 pieces. they won’t give it right away ... but 80-90 pieces are quite. For the meaning of their delivery will be only with their complex and massive use. With the simultaneous delivery of additional air defense systems (to cover the same airfields) and while providing them with high-quality target designation and control of NATO assets.

[g_ae]

And the red lines are like the horizon line. As the escalation and fight ov closer and closer to the Urals.

[Luka Nord]

On the one hand, all this is alarming, and on the other hand, good training for our fighters and air defense systems in the coming inevitable war with the Anglo-Saxons. There is nowhere to retreat!

[Nesvoy]

Would you like to come to me with a punching bag? I will train for you.

[Luka Nord]

Quote from Nesvoy

Would you like to go to me with a Bucks pear? I will train for you.

This "pear" can choose the moment and tear out the Adam's apple with its teeth .. How do you like that?

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote from Nesvoy

Would you like to come to me with a punching bag? I will train for you.

What, sitting in front of the monitor? Limbs stiff? So don't torture yourself, get out of the cisco bunker and go outside. There, just now, in your streets, everyone is seized indiscriminately - and dragged under the gun. You will quickly get under Artemovsk - there you will practice ...

[Sebostyuan]

What kind of workouts are there? Hybrid war - in all its glory.
And if in infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, artillery, tanks we have + with NATO - parity, then with airplanes, helicopters, armored vehicles, a multiple lag and direct competition is pointless.
In addition to quantity, the danger of NATO aviation lies in the name of the BC. There is a whole scattering of missiles and bombs that allow you to operate without entering the air defense zone.
Ps. One joy. Ukraine doesn't have many pilots and I don't understand why we don't destroy the corps of military schools. There, what is also business interests?

[Skeptic3]

Have you seen enough on TV about parity with NATO? It seems that the same TV channels are also watched in the Kremlin...

[Sebostyuan]

Are you able to read? I listed in which areas + - parity in quantity: Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, Artillery. Data based on open sources.

[Skeptic3]

First, parity is only in quantity, but not in quality.
Secondly, NATO's strategy is fundamentally different. If the USSR / RF has an emphasis on artillery and tanks, then in NATO the emphasis is on aviation and missiles. Hence the difference in the quantities of the respective types of weapons.

[1erWahrheitsMinister_1984]

Mir völlig unverständlich, wieso Sie negativ gevotet werden?!?
ES ist doch wirklich so, dass der Zeitpunkt der direkten Konfrontation
mit dem PACK der NATO immer näher rückt! so what?

Mich würde allerdings weit mehr interessieren, ab wann denn
die russische Führung auch der unabweisbaren Tatsache, dass
man sich im Krieg mit den USA und seinen EU-Stiefelleckern
befindet, endlich auch offiziell, zB durch versenken eines der
Schiffe mit Militärgütern, or der Zerstörung entsprechender
Eisenbahnladungen aus den USA, oder der EU bestätigen wird!?
Man kann so oder so nicht ernsthaft darauf vertrauen, all diese
NATO-Militärgüter erst zu zerstören, wenn sie irgendwo in der
Ukraine, oder in Polen/Rumänien bereits angekommen sind !!!

[megadeth]

Nothing soon and we will get to you (NATO countries in the geyrop), in the case of deploying strike weapons that will work in Russia, we will level the atom with the ground. FSA will not fit in for you, not for that they started all this. IMHO

[megadeth]

Holy Russia
Holy Russia
Jan 27 at 21:00
: * If not for all these catastrophic events, in Russia they would have thought that *

the sample of a man is, say, Danila Kozlovsky, and not the men from the Wagner PMC,

we would never have had Zakharchenko Street and the Arsen Motorola School,

Makarevich would have been the father of Russian rock,

people would think that modern poets are Morgenstern and Aya Astakhova,

we would never have a monument to Fidel Castro, the largest political figure of the XNUMXth century,

the commander in chief would never say that the Soviet leaders - the leaders of Russia are no worse than monarchs and princes,

and Russian cinema would continue to supply serials about detachments and the eternal Leviathan,

there would not even be a hope that at least some changes are possible in the Ministry of Culture, where a third of the theaters are headed by people who hate the country,

and in the Ministry of Defense there would remain individual managers who only know how to saw, and who do not know how, moreover, do not even want to fight,

Danya Milokhin would have advertised the largest bank, and Dudya's huge face, as a symbol of success and knowledge of the essence of things, would have towered over everyone in Sheremetyevo,

By the way, we would not have known that actress Polina Agureeva is a girl, but a man by nature, and director Vyrypaev, even a boy, is worse by character than a woman, and would not even believe about Medvedev that he is a tough guy , who cheerfully formulates important things, and would not be aware that Kadyrov is a real patriot of our country,

half of the Forbes list would stick out in Russia, pretending that they are the best people in the country,

we would not remember how the Buryats, Yakuts, Tuvans, Kalmyks and Bashkirs can fight for Russia, and everyone would repeat this word "multinational",

we would believe that it is necessary to be friends with an enlightened Europe, and not with Iran, North Korea, China and Cuba,

finally, millions of people in Russia would never remember that they are a people.

It would be nice to understand all this without war, but without war we could not.
Now the task is not to forget all of the above, and a thousand more unnamed points.
WHY IN EUROPE ARE AFRAID TO TOUCH THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR?
ALL BECAUSE THEY ALL FIGHTED AGAINST US.
EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THIS!

The facts of history testify that in 1941 not only Germany attacked the USSR.

The rest of Europe also attacked, with the exception of the Serbs and Greeks.

The USSR was attacked by Spanish divisions and French legions, armies of Italy, Romania, Hungary, Finland, parts of Czechoslovakia, Croatia, etc.

So, the Brest Fortress was stormed by the Austrians, and Sevastopol - by the Romanians and Italians.

Even Albania sent the SS Skanderbey division to fight in the USSR.
Romanians, Hungarians, Croats, Slovaks were eager to pinch off a piece of the USSR.

Almost every second driver in Guderian's tanks was Czech.

And they all committed atrocities more abruptly than the Germans. Hungarian punishers were not taken prisoner by Soviet soldiers.

Just like in the Civil War, when they already showed themselves to be monsters.

Near Leningrad and Rzhev, the Dutch SS division "Nord-Land" committed atrocities.

Italians, Spaniards, sixty thousand French volunteers from the SS division "Charlemagne" and security and punitive detachments, Swiss, Flemings,
Walloons...

Denmark and Spain sent their soldiers even without an official declaration of war to the Soviet Union!

In other words, at the time of the attack, constantly
replenishing the "loss", in the army of Hitler, there were about a million soldiers of the allied countries of fascist Germany, which are now part of NATO. This is without taking into account the "mishandled Cossacks" or Khiva.

It remains a historical fact - until 1943, the numerical superiority in manpower on the Soviet-German front was constantly on the side of the states of the fascist bloc!

Together with them, they fought against the USSR entirely formed from traitors, or rather from traitors to the Motherland - the Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian SS divisions, the SS Galicia division, the Georgian, Turkestan legions, etc., in total more than 400 thousand collaborators, of which the Ukrainian Khivs were 250 thousand.

They were not considered prisoners of war; after being caught, they were subjected to a military tribunal.

The national composition of prisoners of war in the USSR
between 1941 and 1945 was:

Germans - 2 people,
Japanese - 639 635,
Hungarians - 513 767,
Romanians - 187 370,
Austrians - 156 682,
Czechs and Slovaks - 129,
Poles - 60 260,
Italians - 48 957,
French - 23,
Dutch - 14 729,
Finns - 2, Belgians - 377,
Luxembourgers - 1,
Danes - 457,
Spaniards - 452,
Norwegians - 101,
Swedes - 72.

At the end of World War II, up to one and a half million Europeans had been in Russian captivity (excluding Germans).
THIS IS WHY, WE CELEBRATE VICTORY DAY MAY 9!
AND THEY 8 MAY - DAY OF RECONCILIATION AND MOURNING.

They grieve over their non-victory in the enduring anger against us!
WE HAVE DIFFERENT HOLIDAYS AND OCCASIONS.

And we will never be friends, do not flatter yourself and do not step on the same rake again and again.
I don’t know who the author is, but our people are talented
You are there - under the arm of the war.
We are here - in the bosom of the world.
Be patient, faithful sons,
Make no mistake, commanders!
While you were saving the Donbass,
on tanks or with a machine gun - here they lit boilers at the checkout
And stormed ATMs.
The war has opened our eyes,
Who is ready to give to the Fatherland:
Someone feels sorry for Instagram
Well, who cares about life.
And the soldier who tears his back
carrying boxes for the front,
Russia loves and saves!
Are you a pop cohort?
Rushed urgently for the cordon,
Saving dollars and villas.
All your songs are empty talk!
From now on, you are not nice to Russians!
Someone's "formidable" is closer to you,
Miami, Latvian paradises.
No, we are not a sinking ship
But you ran away like rats!
Russia will survive without you!
And without ordinary people - hardly.
Soldier, hungry, will not betray!
Well, you, well-fed, betrayed the country!
And behind the back - the expanse of Russia
Expanses of rivers, forests, fields…
Descendants would not forgive us
Treason to my Motherland!!! Holy Rus'
Holy Russia
Jan 27 at 21:00
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[Codett]

An excellent comment, the beginning was especially pleasing, on the other hand, there are a lot of people who have not changed their thinking and the war is far away for them and it is abstract, as for the elites, everything is difficult for them, they earn money here, but their families store and spend there, yes and the children are still citizens of mostly Western countries, apparently that’s why they still want to agree and decide everything, another thing is the fifth column that lurks and waits in the wings and then we can learn about new surprises

[Petr_Koldunov]

They ask for 180 cars and are willing to train 50 pilots for them... strange arithmetic, right?
Apparently, these figures predetermine a threefold downing of each pilot - so that after he is overwhelmed, he ejects and immediately gets a new plane on the ground. And so three times.
And the remaining 30 litaks were originally pledged for sale to ISIS (after all, Ukraine simply does not know how not to steal property from its own warehouses and not to sell this property to the left)

[Cobra]

It doesn't work like that. You officially announce that 50 pilots are being trained. We are glad that there are only 50. Later they report that they will hand over 180 aircraft, we laugh that each pilot will crash 3 times. In fact, 180 pilots have been trained and everyone will have their own car. Do not believe the official data, because this is the case with supplies to Ukraine. Half are officially announced, half go under the table. Even Israel recently admitted that it helps Ukraine a lot, but "unofficially and quietly."

[Skeptic3]

Those. Are you sure that NATO headquarters are so incapable of counting? Not funny.

[Dead duck]

The average man in the street, both in the USA and in Europe, does not need this whole circus.
We need to work closely with the population and conduct dense propaganda about the consequences of the war.
Yes, and that it is better to do your own business (in the country), and not abroad.

[Mikhail Maslov]

And they will take it and put it with pilots and with supplies. What will Comrade Putin say?

[1erWahrheitsMinister_1984]

Offensichtlich sucht man in Moscow nach einem Weg, dem Westen
die nukleare Abschreckung einmal ganz neu in "Natura" und sehr
real und unmissverständlich spürbar vor Augen zu führen...!

https://de.rt.com/meinung/161033-nukleare-abschreckung-in-russland-sucht-wege/

Ich schlage vor, Ramstein and Berlin zu vernichten und damit gleich zwei Fliegen mit einer Klappe zu schlagen:

Wir Deutschen wären die offenkundig geistesgestörten, Wahnsinnigen los,
die uns mit Hurra in den nächsten Weltkriegs-Abgrund stürzen wollen und
auch die USA bekommen endlich einen Warnschuss vor den Bug...!!
US-Stützpunkte in Italien können von mir aus auch sehr gerne
"dabei sein"...!!
DANN werden wir ja sehen, ob den Herrschaften in Warschau,
Washington, London and Paris die Gelüste auf weitere
Waffenlieferungen und Provokationen Russlands nicht endlich im
Halse ihrer großmäuligen Fressen stecken bleiben...!!!?!

Es heißt sowieso ab sofort ohne jeden Zweifel "Entweder oder..." und
ich glaube, der Rest-Werte-Westen wird es sich zweimal überlegen,
mit Russland ein "atomares Tänzchen" zu wagen...! so what?

[cash]

the funny thing is that the win-win Americans have a situation with the supply of f-16s, if they fall like pigs are falling now, they will tell the allies: "buy the f-35, you see that the old ones are no longer exported" if the f-16s show themselves well, they will raise the price for them with the words: "a machine proven in battle, you will have to pay extra"

[Kostadinov]

At the end of World War II, up to one and a half million Europeans had been in Russian captivity (excluding Germans).

Even more Europeans were beaten in German captivity. Moreover, at the beginning of World War II, before the attack on the USSR.
Hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians were captured as Wehrmacht soldiers by the Allies in the West and in the Red Army in the East. There were more Russians in the Wehrmacht than all the Dutch, Norwegians, Danes, Swedes and so on combined.