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In three years, Russia will be completely unarmed in the face of external threats.

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All efforts must be abandoned to create a qualitatively new army, the expert calls

In three years, Russia will be completely unarmed in the face of external threats.

Traces of Anatoly Serdyukov have already cooled down in the corridors of the Ministry of Defense, glasses solemnly in honor of the newly appointed head of the military department Sergei Shoigu have already solemnly echoed, but even the little consecrated in this case is clear: everything is just beginning, and there are still the most important revelations ahead when very interesting facts will surface. relating to the Serdyukov "Five Year Plan".

According to the official version, Vladimir Putin dismissed Anatoly Eduardovich so that he would not interfere with the investigation around the notorious Oboronservis OJSC, where the former minister himself until recently (until 2011) was at the head of the board of directors. However, I confess, few people are satisfied only with this version. Nevertheless, the head of the strategic ministry is not at all the head of the housing department, and somehow all too quickly was suddenly forgotten by everyone that Mr. Serdyukov was a member of the “Putin team”, and Vladimir Vladimirovich, they say, does not give up his . And so it turned out too big a victim in the name of an objective investigation ...

Meanwhile, a few days before historical Serdyukov’s resignation in the Russian government created a special commission to investigate the reasons for the failure of supplies to the army of the Unified Command and Control System weapons in the tactical link (ESU TK). The initiator of the creation of this government commission was Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the defense industry. The commission was headed by Army General Alexander Starovoitov, who created the Federal Agency for Government Communications and Information (FAPSI) at the end of 1991, which he led for seven years. Also, General Starovoitov is the general designer of automated data transmission systems (ACS) by the front forces, he led the development of a federal confidential communication system, as well as a special information and telecommunication system of state authorities. The very fact of the creation of this commission and the fact that it was headed by such a serious and authoritative special can probably be explained by the fact that the Kremlin really took the "bummer" with the Unified Management System too much. It is no longer Tanks and not cruisers.

Meanwhile, the problem of creating an automated system for command and control of forces rested on the same thing: the military could not correctly set the task of industry. Moreover, this story, as usual, is old. So, a year ago, in October 2011, Nezavisimaya Gazeta published an interview with the former Chief of the Main Staff of the Ground Forces, Lieutenant General Sergey Skokov. “For objective reasons, the novelty of the task, we, the military, were not able to correctly and comprehensively set the task for the developers. Even the greatest scientist, if he practically did not command a tank platoon, will not be able to qualitatively describe the tasks solved by this platoon, the functionality of the platoon commander and his subordinates in solving these problems. And without this, it is impossible to create a full-fledged automated control system for a tank platoon, ”the military complained. Moreover, according to the lieutenant general, the developed automation system has no analogues in the world. If these words are not empty bravado, then the failure to introduce this system is all the more offensive. How much do comparisons of Russian and American military potential cost in this context?

Meanwhile, the ESU-TZ, according to the tasks previously assigned to Putin by the military department, was to pass all tests in the 2010 year, and by the 2015 year to be mass-supplied to the troops. By the way, in the USA, similar automation of troops and armaments has been supplied to the army for 15 years ...

Of course, this is a very interesting question, why the ESU commission was collected only on 1 in November of this year, right on the eve of Serdyukov’s resignation: after all, at least a couple of years before that, since the breakdown of the testing and implementation schedule, this issue was particularly acute. Should we hope that this is not just another performance, timed to coincide with Serdyukov’s resignation, but a serious attempt to sort out, punish and take action?

In a conversation with a KM.RU columnist, the chairman of the supervisory board of the Institute for Demography, Migration and Regional Development, the leader of the Development Movement, Yuri Krupnov, complained that the military leadership of the country has not yet begun to address the main fundamental problem:

- Unfortunately, in the course of a broad discussion of the resignation of Serdyukov and the appointment of the new Minister of Defense, Shoigu is nowhere and in any way affected the essence of what is happening. And the bottom line is that we practically have no army and, most importantly, no new army project, which would be really effective, effective in the current geopolitical situation. Of course, in the draft of the new army, its technical equipment, including the means of automating troop control, battle management, plays a significant role, but this is only an integral part, and it would be wrong to reduce all conversations only to it. In fact, we could not have any such control system both from a technical-industrial point of view and because there are no troops that can be controlled by it.

Today we do not have a project of a new combat-ready and competitive army as such. And in this situation, we need to clearly understand that by the year of 2015 we will find ourselves in an almost completely unarmed position: after all, our nuclear weapons will actually be devalued through American missile defense, through the order of 10 000 cruise missiles, which, in fact, will not allow us to use nuclear weapons .

Therefore, all efforts should have been devoted to designing a qualitatively new army. And so you need to design a new army, but no one does it. At the top some absolutely minor issues are discussed, some abstract primitive technical systems, once simply ripped off from their American counterparts due to the fact that they didn’t have enough money for their development, they plundered. They discuss issues that are not related to the organization of an efficient army as such, to the organization of the country's defense. Instead of having a substantive conversation about the design and construction of a new army, they talk about people's love for Shoigu, people's dislike for Serdyukov, discuss some intimate, economic issues ...

And no one thinks about what we will come to the 2015 year, when the USA will be ready to implement, in fact, the new edition of the blitzkrieg, the so-called global lightning strike - “prompt global strike”, when for the maximum of an hour our entire defense system it will simply cease to exist, including nuclear weapons, to which we now place such hopes. This topic does not sound from the mouth of either the Supreme Commander or the generals, lieutenants; it is ignored by military analysts in their journal articles.

So I didn’t hear from the new Minister of Defense about the need to create such an army that could withstand a real geopolitical threat. The new head of the General Staff, Gerasimov, is also silent for now, as he was silent about it, say, six months ago. In the meantime, it is time to move away from discussions of some superficial communal issues: it is necessary to raise serious topics of organizing a new army, a new defense system adequate to new threats. In fact, already today the question of the life and death of our country and each of us is acute.
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 14 November 2012 07: 04
    +41
    That's from new Minister of Defense I did not hear conversations

    [i]New General Staff Chief Gerasimov is also silent while

    They became new a day - two ago, the author, what do you want something like in that cartoon - suddenly a magician will fly in a blue helicopter? What would it be like this, once, they waved a stick and everything worked out fine?

    Hello to everyone. hi
    1. Fox
      Fox 14 November 2012 07: 45
      +13
      I agree that the minister and deputies should only speak 24 hours a day so that the ikspert would hear everything ... they have no other business.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 November 2012 08: 22
      +25
      Quote: to
      And no one thinks about what we will come to by 2015, when the United States will be ready to implement, in fact, a new edition of the blitzkrieg,


      Why don't they think that? They think and how, teach children English and German, buy citizenship and real estate abroad, transfer currency to offshore and foreign banks
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 14 November 2012 11: 14
        +10
        Quote: Vadivak
        They think and how, teach children English and German, buy citizenship and real estate abroad, transfer currency to offshore and foreign banks

        Well, as recent events show, people think about "thinkers" ....
        1. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 14 November 2012 19: 42
          +4
          Maybe a little off topic ... I don’t really like the internal affairs bodies ... But how dumbfounded the stamp that the NKVD troops is exclusively a detachment guard, guards in the zone and a desire to transfer all honest people! Border guards are not NKVD troops?! NKVD troops are 30% of the Red Army. And most of the units fought not behind, but in front ...
    3. pav-pon1972
      pav-pon1972 14 November 2012 08: 23
      +5
      I support, the author wants to turn everything out in a matter of days, eliminate shortcomings and fulfill the wishes of the army and the people ... We’ll still have the rule of Serdyukov in the army for more than one year ...
      1. rolik
        rolik 14 November 2012 11: 36
        +6
        Shoigu and his chosen generals. These are the guys who can easily turn on the afterburner to achieve their goals. And most importantly, they are supported by the army. The army finally saw those people who can lead. It is enough to look at the messages of the last days after the resignation of "Fart with a harem".
        1. alexng
          alexng 14 November 2012 12: 31
          +4
          Quote: rolik
          It is enough to look at the messages of the last days after the resignation of "Fart with a harem".


          Morning began in the village and incontinence raced. One of them seems to have already torn a diarrhea and he decided to submit his result of this action for general consideration.
          It seems that the author of the article from the stool team gives an answer, and this is called a false start.
    4. traveler
      traveler 14 November 2012 08: 42
      +9
      Articles by analysts and xspurds are beginning to resemble the discoveries of British scientists, a lot of absurdity and not applicable to anything. I was especially amused about the amerskoy missile defense system, which nullifies Russian nuclear weapons ... Well, okay, "the dog barks, the caravan moves on" winked
      The army, of course, is not at the peak of its combat readiness now and there are many problems in it, but to declare that in 3 years we can be taken with "bare hands" is utter nonsense hi
      1. rolik
        rolik 14 November 2012 11: 39
        +5
        It seems that either Perduk himself or the State Department pays money to these analysts from the word "anal". Rose, bl..t, howl about the ruined army. And when Perduk was in the chair, they were silent with ... but they praised him. The author, as clear as day, is another of the glorious cohort of liberals, like the notorious Feldgenhauer, God forgive me for the obscene word spoken in public.
        1. arkady149
          arkady149 14 November 2012 21: 16
          0
          Quote: rolik
          like the notorious Feldgenhauer, God forgive me for the obscene word spoken in public.
          ... You did not say - you wrote, once F.G. Ranevskaya used to say that it could be more awkward than the word "ASS" typed in typographic type. You managed to surpass it.
      2. Konrad
        Konrad 14 November 2012 18: 57
        0
        Quote: traveler
        Articles of analytes and iksperdov

        What "ANALYTAGES"? What "XSPERS" and "FATS WITH A HAREM? What are you grimacing like clowns, the Russian language is poor for you ??? Disgusting to read!
        1. alexng
          alexng 15 November 2012 06: 37
          +1
          Do not like the program - switch to another channel. What problems?
    5. Skiff
      Skiff 14 November 2012 10: 30
      +6
      Futuristic delirium, the author probably doesn’t know that if 10.000 tomahawks are launched, then the Russian space forces and air defense will not notice and will not react? Yes, there were articles on this subject, 10.000 cannot be launched, since such a number of missiles cannot be pulled up immediately , you simply cannot hide such an armada of carriers. And not all tomahawks are on combat duty, much of this is stock, some part is under routine maintenance.
      To the minus author.
      1. Nick
        Nick 14 November 2012 20: 21
        +1
        Quote: Skiff
        probably the author is not aware that if you launch the 10.000 tomahawks, the Russian space forces and air defense will not notice and will not react?

        besides, these subsonic "axes" fly to targets for tens of minutes ... The developments in hypersonic strike weapons really pose a threat. But the authors have nothing about this ...
    6. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 14 November 2012 15: 33
      +1
      The expert, of course, is not right, it is not necessary to start with the army, but to sweep out the Kremlin, then Moskvobad, and then the regions with a broomstick. In a state with a corruption-stricken "vertical of power" it is not possible to cure a single army. What's the use of brave soldiers when the commander-in-chief is a traitor?
    7. Botanologist
      Botanologist 14 November 2012 19: 53
      +2
      We have a great expert Victor Martynyuk. Judging by the article, he sits behind Shoigu and listens to all his conversations.
      And, estimate, talk about the need to create an army capable of withstanding the geopolitical threat - I have not heard!
      I'm going to build a bunker crying
  2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 November 2012 07: 14
    +10
    And in this situation, we need to clearly understand that by the year of 2015 we will find ourselves in an almost completely unarmed position: after all, our nuclear weapons will actually be devalued through American missile defense, through the order of 10 000 cruise missiles, which, in fact, will not allow us to use nuclear weapons .

    This, to put it mildly, is an exaggeration. Up to the point of absurdity
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 14 November 2012 07: 29
      +2
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      To the point of absurdity


      Absurdity is meaningless. wassat And as the mind turns out. wassat
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 November 2012 07: 34
      +8
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      our nuclear weapons will actually be devalued through the US missile defense, through about 10 cruise missiles, which, in fact, will not allow us to use nuclear weapons.

      It was smooth on paper, Hitler also thought - they defeated airfields and a mustache victory in his pocket, but somehow it did not grow together hi
      1. zol1
        zol1 14 November 2012 07: 53
        -7
        Correctly. Throw it over with corpses again!
        1. Denzel13
          Denzel13 14 November 2012 11: 37
          +4
          Again, a sick imagination multiplied by ignorance of history was played out by some.

          As for the capabilities of their missile defense, the author amused. American experts themselves are not just doubting, but convinced of its failure at the moment.
  3. Lavrik
    Lavrik 14 November 2012 07: 45
    +5
    Okay. we made mistakes in the development of ESU-TK. But how does this affect the destruction of the Russian nuclear deterrence forces? They will create 2015 KR by 10000 - this is what my grandmother said in two. Yes, and they had already at one time 6000 CR. Nothing terrible happened. They spent about half on Iraq. In my opinion - another horror story.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 November 2012 08: 24
      +9
      Quote: Lavrik
      In my opinion - another horror story.

      It is - another horror story.
      The United States has always had CD in bulk - but even in the case of Iraq (which is neither in size nor in air defense strength, well, it has never been the Russian Federation), there was no talk of any such one-time destruction of the potential. All that the MNF aviation managed to achieve in the first, disarming strike was to remove the enemy's air target detection system and thereby "blind" its air defense and create preconditions for further destruction of the military and economic potential of Iraq.
      At the same time, in order to reliably suppress the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation, it is necessary not only to take out our radars - you also need to destroy the air defense forces that cover the deployment sites of the missiles, and immediately destroy these missiles themselves. This is the task of the United States, neither now nor in the foreseeable future is too tough. Those. you need not just to create the prerequisites for the subsequent destruction of our potential - you need with one blow and to take out both the air defense system and the potential itself.
      It should be borne in mind that the blinding of Iraqi air defense was a task that was solved comprehensively by both the KR and the aircraft - it was a rather complicated operation that involved the whole range of assets - both the KR and stealth and EW and AEW and other aircraft. But none of this (except for the Kyrgyz Republic) is in the same Siberia, where our ICBMs also simply have no place - the distance is too great. And some CDs simply do not solve such problems.
      But even if you give up on all this, you still need to remember - between the launch of the CD (which will be noticed immediately) and the defeat of our "ballista" - almost an hour of time. For which the yadrenbatons will have time to start 100500 times ...
      But there are also such lovely components of our nuclerentriad as SSBNs. By the way, only 2 submarines of Project 667BDRM Dolphin (Verkhoturye and Yekaterinburg) in combination with a pair of 667BDR "Kalmar" are capable of destroying ALL American cities with a population of 100 thousand or more ...
      1. segamegament
        segamegament 14 November 2012 14: 32
        +3
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        ... By the way, only 2 submarines of Project 667BDRM Dolphin (Verkhoturye and Yekaterinburg) in combination with a pair of 667BDR "Kalmar" are capable of destroying ALL American cities with a population of 100 thousand or more ...

        And near these cities, concentration camps were created and coffins for 4 persons were stored, for the speedy disposal and prevention of the spread of the infection. As during Vietnam it will no longer be possible to hold demonstrations against the war - for them there are concentration camps. Remove corpses from cities and pack them into coffins and incineration. There will be no unacceptable damage. The United States (what remains and is formed on their territory) is doomed to destruction or from cold and hunger, disease, etc. or in the fire of "vigorous" fire ...
      2. enkor
        enkor 14 November 2012 17: 13
        -2
        Russia will take care of its "friends anyway." This refers to the liquidated "strategists."
  4. Dimitr
    Dimitr 14 November 2012 07: 56
    +12
    But the essence is that we have practically no army and, most importantly, there is no project for a new army that would be truly effective, efficient in the current geopolitical situation.
    What a shit, the main value and strength of our Army is people, soldiers and officers!
    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 14 November 2012 15: 28
      +4
      Quote: Dimitr
      What a shit, the main value and strength of our Army is people, soldiers and officers!

      That shit is a fact of them, as if everyone had broken through after the latest events in the Moscow Region.
      They obviously don’t like something. Here and they are throwing mud at all, America’s patriots
  5. timhelmet
    timhelmet 14 November 2012 08: 52
    +2
    Why read this nonsense? Another whining. Disinformation is already in the liver. I understand that in the army, thanks to the stool and other furniture, not everything is going smoothly. But the stool was removed to the far corner. Now it makes no sense to draw conclusions. We’ll see in two years.
  6. albanec
    albanec 14 November 2012 08: 57
    +3
    what will we come to by 2015, when the United States will be ready to implement, in fact, a new edition of the blitzkrieg, the so-called global lightning strike - “prompt global strike”

    Until 2015, the United States still has to hold out, the old woman began to slowly pour in. This is me about the post "March of the Confederates, or the Divided States of America"

  7. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 14 November 2012 09: 42
    +6
    Maybe I’m minus one, I’m not used to it, but I agree with the author that there is practically no army and no plan to create a new army either!
    The army is not only armed people, it is there, but there is no complete structure capable of fulfilling the country's defense tasks from a significant military threat ...
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 14 November 2012 10: 00
      +3
      Brother Sarych,
      Serdyuk did the job, Serdyuk can leave! (Ruined the old system)
      And the real army has yet to be built.
  8. SSR
    SSR 14 November 2012 09: 44
    +2
    In three years, Russia will be completely unarmed in the face of external threats.

    It's not fair! here the people say - do not whine! everything will be to 2020uh! )))
    And in this situation, you need to clearly understand that to 2015 in the year we find ourselves almost completely unarmed

    That is why the people "complain" that we are supplying equipment for the hillock, but for now only by the piece.
  9. lakt2008
    lakt2008 14 November 2012 09: 45
    +5
    They’ve killed twenty years, but in a couple of years you want everything new and something would work - it doesn’t! And troop control systems were in the USSR (even ASUV departments were in communication universities)
  10. understudy
    understudy 14 November 2012 09: 55
    +1
    serious issues need to be raised regarding the organization of a new army, a new defense system adequate to new threats.
    __________________________________
    And what did we do the previous 5 years ??? ]
  11. IRBIS
    IRBIS 14 November 2012 10: 04
    +5
    And our army has been "fighting" mythical terrorists for about ten years at the training grounds. The whole structure in a "new" look is sharpened for a "small, victorious war." There is no control, no rear, no communication, etc. etc. It was openly stated that there were no enemies and all conflicts would be local. Have you finished playing? And smart people said that this was a theory of the absurd, but they were quickly fired. Obedient individuals, lured by the rise in salaries and holding onto their places, remained in the governing bodies. And the truth, as you know, is born in a dispute. It is urgent to give this "new" appearance of the army a military look and sharpen its teeth, otherwise the Armed Forces have been turned into one large kindergarten.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 14 November 2012 16: 09
      +3
      Individuals remained obedient in the governing bodies, nourished by higher salaries and holding on to their places.
      So I was always interested in the question, but did Serdyukov personally dismiss all of this army elite or generals who wanted to squeeze out the dough?
      "fights" with mythical terrorists.
      Well, you are so for the masses. Colleagues threw an introductory note for the exercises of the Russian Chechen Republic of Chemistry. Conditional terrorists deliver tactical nuclear strikes. And so on and so on, but they can also throw warheads like W76 off. As they say, anything happens.
  12. vorobey
    vorobey 14 November 2012 10: 13
    +7
    Let's first live to the age of 15, and then we'll see.

    Amers also have no single missile defense and it will appear no earlier than 20 years, as there are also enough inconsistencies and jambs.
    1. selendis
      selendis 14 November 2012 11: 30
      +2
      Think not before? And if they say that we are de, we will pay each specialist on the development of missile defense USA 1 million green candy wrappers per month? How do you like this incentive? And also to continue to bribe states with wrappers and introduce their systems there, in spite of crises-shmismims, fool generals, a bulky Pentagon apparatus. What about us? And soon we will go over with spears or batons with reforms, and gangs of skinheads will be armed, they will disperse the rest and will be afraid to give up arms. How many years I have lived in an army army one degradation, either in technique or in composition ... And now the question is, how did we live and be proud of our army before? What was she stronger?
  13. Havoc
    Havoc 14 November 2012 11: 19
    0
    We don’t have that, we don’t have this, but the USA has everything, so let me ask why such a super modern army as the US Army can’t do anything in Afghanistan, and as regards missile defense, there can’t be 100% protection for any state, especially for the United States. This is me the concept of a nuclear strike against the United States, which is attributed to Academician Sakharov.
  14. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 14 November 2012 11: 27
    +1
    Yes, we are wild Muscovites, as we have existed for a thousand years, and as we planted, we continue to put our enemies on bayonets and can’t think of anything clever (((Whether it’s the case of the Anglo-Saxons, one stray is better than the other, and everything is hard.
    Nothing, if our grandfathers stood near Stalingrad and Leningrad walking with three trunks on the Tiger, then we’ll definitely tear the beak of an overseas chicken by the very cesspool, well, or at least we will decently decent.
  15. Jungar
    Jungar 14 November 2012 12: 02
    +3
    Yes, there are few reasons for particular optimism, but the pessimism of some is annoying. "We cannot", "defenseless", etc. Why, then, have we stood on trembling knees for the past twenty years, but still survived? Despite all the troubles have not collapsed? Is it because "our friends" are well aware that even a wounded bear is deadly? And now there was a whiff of a weak but fresh wind of hope.
  16. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 14 November 2012 12: 32
    0
    I hate whiners .... Article -
  17. rennim
    rennim 14 November 2012 13: 13
    +4
    I don’t want a repeat of 1941 ... When many units, surpassing German troops in quality and quantity, lost control, they were on the verge of destruction and captivity in the encirclement.
  18. Normal
    Normal 14 November 2012 13: 17
    +5
    Hello everyone.
    All well done! They repulsed the author. Let's not criticize and expect!
    And now someone will say; What is the concept of our aircraft? Who are our likely opponents? What is the vision of armed conflict in our power? With whom, with what and how do you intend to fight, if necessary? Well the most important thing; What is the state of the strategic missile forces and air defense of the country?
    At least one needs to answer these questions. Instead, we have hatred and unreasonable self-confidence.
    1. bask
      bask 14 November 2012 13: 39
      +1
      Hi Vladimir. No one will tell you about the military concept in the Russian Armed Forces for today. If tomorrow the war is not of a local nature, but at least regional. There is no complete air defense, in my infe not more than 56% of the territory of Russia. And all the hope we have on the Strategic Missile Forces . They will keep alive, no the Chinese will throw their caps over their hats, and the amers will use tomogovs and UAVs.
      1. Normal
        Normal 14 November 2012 14: 16
        +2
        Hi bask.
        Quote: bask
        And all the hope we have on the Strategic Missile Forces. We’ll keep alive, no, the Chinese will throw their hats over their caps, and the amers will use tomogovks and UAVs.

        I think that no one will give an order to use the Strategic Missile Forces. The gut is thin in current ones. Yes, and too many people in power are connected with the West. It's harder with China. But China will (and already have) a peaceful, creeping expansion. With our demography and theirs, there’s no need to fight, you just have to wait.
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 14 November 2012 14: 33
        +3
        , and at least regional. Air defense continuous coverage there
        And who will be able to strike at depths of more than 1000 km? In addition to China (under a very big question) and the United States. Understand we have an air defense structure and it is integrated and layered.
        1. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 14 November 2012 19: 55
          0
          It depends on where to fly from? 1 If from Uzbekistan, then already less ...
  19. leon-iv
    leon-iv 14 November 2012 13: 51
    0
    fat
    The ABM horses and 100500 cruise missiles shifted into a bunch of Serdyukov.
    ESU-TK
    ESU TK was conceived before Serdyukov and was initially unworkable. But this is experience, and again experience. American shakers also gnawed a cactus with their system for a long time. And they also planned a pathos land varior from which zilch turned out.
    and due to the fact that there are no troops that can be controlled through it.
    Having penetrated the polymers of banduputin PMC subsurface vessels.
    By the way, here under the window I’m constantly drunk probably jumping a mirage;
    because our nuclear weapons will actually be devalued through the US missile defense
    Lol two rocket batteries? tough and harsh.
    through about 10 cruise missiles, which, in fact, will not allow us to use nuclear weapons.
    Magazhlyushki grow smaller before it was more)))))
    global lightning strike - “prompt global strike”, when within a maximum of an hour our entire defense system simply ceases to exist, including nuclear weapons, on which we now have such hopes. This topic does not sound from the lips of either the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, nor generals, lieutenants; she was ignored by military analysts in her journal articles.
    Spelling the Light of Polina Rita Natasha tchk. And what to discuss Wishlist.
    . In fact, today the question of the life and death of our country and each of us is already acute.
    Cchron in the forest, stew, matches and cartridges. Well, or an afftor as a speaker, drink yadu.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 14 November 2012 14: 55
      +1
      Well, why two batteries? It seems that they have more hopes for the marine component, and the number of ships is large enough and they will be placed in quite interesting places ...
      Personally, I’m almost sure that the current leadership will NEVER issue an order to use nuclear weapons, and military operations will not loom in the long term solely because all the requirements of the American side are fulfilled without the use of force on their part, even without threats of its use - only so far is a guarantee of peace! The slightest attempt to rock the boat in the future from the side of Russia became very fraught, all the reforms of the RF Armed Forces were aimed at the lack of alternative capitulation policy in the future - the reforms were successful, even with a change of power in the Kremlin, the Russians will have to sit quieter than water, below the grass ...
      1. TAGIR
        TAGIR 14 November 2012 16: 26
        0
        !!!! Mars is the god of war. SPA "Mars" http://www.npomars.com/ru/
      2. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 14 November 2012 20: 02
        0
        + Sarych to you, but I think that you don’t need to rock the boat yet ... You don’t have to scream, you need to get ready ... Try not to get into the war neither on the US side, nor on the Chinese side ... And especially not with any of them ... But, you have to be ready for war ...
      3. Konrad
        Konrad 15 November 2012 14: 26
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        Quote: Brother Sarich
        Personally, I’m almost sure that the current leadership will NEVER issue an order to use nuclear weapons

        Do you want Russia to be the first to use nuclear weapons? And while we and the USA will burn each other out, sit out in fraternal Uzbekistan? And so the apricot will be charred.
  20. leon-iv
    leon-iv 14 November 2012 15: 13
    +2
    Well, why two batteries?
    Tk oil based Weindenberg and Fort grills.
    The marine component must be driven to the north pole so that theoretically SM-3 is intercepted by an outfit from the marine component. And this is to drive them into a trap where everything that only the Russian Federation with SAT will work on them. TK when they go into the strategic nuclear forces business, everyone will not care for 20-30 TNWs.
    NEVER will issue an order to use nuclear weapons
    On the basis of what this conclusion is made. Russia has long been pursuing its foreign policy.
    The slightest attempt to rock the boat in the future from the side of Russia became very fraught, all the reforms of the RF Armed Forces were aimed at the lack of alternative capitulation policy in the future - the reforms were successful, even with a change of power in the Kremlin, the Russians will have to sit quieter than water, below the grass ...
    On the basis of what is this conclusion drawn? Maybe of course you know better from Azerbaijan. But I would like to remind you that already in the Caspian Sea there are already two ships with SLCMs with a range of 2500 km. And in the next two more that will amount to 32 missiles in the first salvo.
    So maybe everything is a little different?
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 14 November 2012 15: 26
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      So what will work in the North? Announce the entire list, please!
      Yes, I am sure that the current order will not be given - they will not even think of it! Otherwise, no one would have given them a "reign label" ...
      How do I know that? I will not disclose, but I know these people and I know the train of their thoughts ...
      I have repeatedly asked the question - what is the purpose of strengthening the Caspian flotilla? Against which threat? Where will the rockets fly?
      From the side, much more visible actually, although not from Azerbaijan ... wink
  21. leon-iv
    leon-iv 14 November 2012 16: 04
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    Yes, I am sure that the current order will not be given - they will not even think of it! Otherwise, no one would have given them a "reign label" ...
    Questions of faith discussed in the church logically? So let's operate on the facts.
    How do I know that? I will not disclose, but I know these people and I know the train of their thoughts ...
    Well then, as always, the OBS agency. We will talk about the facts. In the meantime, we see only speculation with a sly squint.
    Where will the rockets fly?
    Central Asia, the Caucasus, Turkey, even when the amers flew to Iran to democratize, I would also squeeze out part of the shelf.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 14 November 2012 17: 02
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      I wonder what facts you need?
      Yes, remain at your delusions, to me something?
      Well, it seems, just recently, here all the veins were torn, proving the usefulness of Serdyukov’s reforms and accusing opponents of misunderstanding, using rumors and alarmist moods ...
  22. leon-iv
    leon-iv 14 November 2012 17: 17
    +1
    I wonder what facts you need?
    Direct facts that the country's leadership is planted by the United States and can not conduct independent policies.
    proving the usefulness of Serdyukov reforms
    Undoubtedly they were needed, and much more importantly, they were made by a man not from the army. On which you could then blame everything. Which was done (I remember this more than once mentioned). And I remember saying more than once that it was not he who was preparing the reform. He was a CONTRACTOR. And now you tell me before Serdyukov, the generals did not steal in the Moscow Region and didn’t saw at the State Defense Committee on such a scale?
    using rumors and alarmist moods ...
    That's why they are rumors and moods. And I love working with facts.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 14 November 2012 18: 31
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      If you see an independent policy, then I don’t see the slightest signs! So, a shallow imitation of some disagreements for internal use ...
      Such reforms are not needed ...
      It was not Serdyukov who set the tasks - of course, but planned - he, and for this he needed a thief and destroyer of such a scale, and with such a team of helpers ...
      I think that in the army they stole or at least tried - always, on such a scale - never in history!
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 14 November 2012 21: 30
        +1
        If you see an independent policy, then I don’t see the slightest signs! So, a shallow imitation of some disagreements for internal use ...
        that is, this is your opinion not supported by facts
        Serdyukov didn’t set goals - of course, but planned - he
        Do not tell me it was planned by the military most likely Makarov and the campaign. Serdyukov was more concerned with financial matters.
        I think that in the army they stole or at least tried - always, on such a scale - never in history!
        lol kindergarten some kind of I personally remember how at the beginning in the part attempted to find 8 tanks with kerosene that disappeared in 2 months.
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 14 November 2012 21: 55
          +1
          Facts around, or you need to bring to each and point a finger? Where to start?
          I think that you are not particularly familiar with financial issues? One of the goals of the reforms, the main goal, or rather, was financial, the rest is all little things! For every petty question, quite tangible grandmothers arose, and the fate of people, their defenses, why pay attention to this?
          Even at the increase in monetary allowances, they were welded up in full, although apparently everything seemed to be all about people - but they let the money through their system, which allows them to twist well before they reach the recipient ...
          8 tanks with kerosene - little things, baby talk, if only it turned out that the territory of the unit was sold, and all movable and immovable property, and still got debt for some of the services provided, because we sold everything a few years ago, then we took everything again rent from the new owners, but the small payment is overdue and a penalty has already grown, many times exceeding the entire amount of the mythical cost of rent, this is a completely different matter!
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 15 November 2012 10: 00
            +1
            Facts around, or you need to bring to each and point a finger? Where to start?
            let's cho.
            ! For every small question, quite tangible grandmas stood up
            they were before.
            people's fates, defenses - why pay attention to this?
            Tell at least one reform against which they did not protest in the military sphere?
            Then we talk.
            but they let the money through their system, which allows them to twist well before they reach the recipient ...
            This is like receiving by card. I note the debit. Or do you grieve over the nachfins who tyril without hesitation? Or is impersonal accrual of salaries an evil?
            Now, if it turned out that the territory of the unit was sold
            In 2007, they sold part, they built 3 car dealerships Kia, FV, Skoda
            and still got debt for some of the services provided
            In 2005 there were disruptions due to blackouts.
            And about how they sold meth.
            Now the new part is in trouble. Regular flights. Like Our Funny Squadron and the Pulp and Paper Mill. There is enough kerosene. ZP is normal. 308ARZ with orders.
            then everyone again leased from the new owners, but they overdue a small payment and a penalty has already grown, many times exceeding the entire amount of the mythical cost of rent, this is a completely different matter!
            By the way, about kerosene damage then estimated at 16 million rubles are these little things? When flying off?
  23. stolbovsn
    stolbovsn 14 November 2012 20: 33
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    But the author is right. This is also indicated by the actual failure to manage the latest large-scale exercises in the Caucasus. It's time to start preparing caches and commanding staff for future partisan units in the zones of the country's occupation.
  24. Alf
    Alf 14 November 2012 21: 51
    +2
    Quote: Brother Sarich
    Brother Sarych Today, 09:42 ↓ new 5 Maybe I’m minus one, I don’t get used to it, but I agree with the author that there is practically no army and there is no plan to create a new army either!

    The point is not even that, but that there is no adversary in the military doctrine of Russia.
    How can you plan to build an army if you don’t know who it should be used against?
    The other day on TV they showed a plot about the X-37B staffed aerospace drone. The military, who spoke in the program, unanimously claimed that at the moment no country in the world has weapons capable of dumping it. Minuteman’s flight time is approximately 30 minutes, and the flight time with X-37 is 2 (TWO) minutes. In fact, this is a sword of Damocles over Russia, the rest of the world does not interest me. All forces should now be thrown to the VKS. If we can catch up with the states in the VKS, it will be possible to calmly, without rushing, build a normal, modern army.
  25. Pravdoruba
    Pravdoruba 14 November 2012 22: 09
    +1
    Does the author himself suggest anything new besides abstraction and common truths? MINUS article.
  26. Badger
    Badger 14 November 2012 22: 48
    +1
    Brother SarychTell me, personally, the Defense Ministry and the chief of the General Staff reported that there are no plans? Or are you the head of the strategic planning department? But in general, the author of the article looks like a frank alarmist.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 15 November 2012 14: 13
      -1
      A common argument - Who are you? Yes, no one, calm down, and I do not care about this, in theory, no ...
      And around - everything is just hurt, purely God's grace ...
      The country rose from its knees, bent everyone around - and what more could you ask for?