Ukrainian military: Enemy uses MLRS "Tornado" as a response to the use of American HIMARS

Ukrainian military stationed in the DPR, Kherson, Zaporozhye (RF) and Kharkiv regions are discussing the increased use of long-range precision-guided munitions by Russian troops. The radio broadcasts say that in several directions the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are using rocket artillery "not in the way it is typical for it."

In particular, it is said that instead of firing "packages" of conventional ammunition, which is typical, for example, for the Grad and Smerch MLRS, "the enemy fires one or two ammunition." And these are adjustable munitions that do not cover the area, but defeat a specific object.

Ukrainian publics, referring to the military, both on the front line and at a distance from the direct line of contact, write that we are talking about the increased use of Tornado-G and Tornado-S installations by Russian troops.

Several messages:

The enemy uses new modifications of the MLRS ("Tornado") in different sectors of the front.

They use "Tornado-S" and "Tornado-G" as a response to the use of American HIMARS.

Open sources indicate that the Tornado-S MLRS is capable of delivering strikes with various types of ammunition. These are unguided rockets capable of hitting "area" targets at a distance of up to 120 km, as well as 9M542 corrective ammunition, modifications of which can inflict fire damage on a target, including at a distance exceeding 120 km.

The other day, a modernized Russian MLRS with an accurate hit hit the target in the form of an object with placement weapons and personnel in the Kharkiv region.

Comments

[Luka Nord]

It would be time to massively apply the FABs on the positions of the Nazis, especially on the detachments and mercenaries .. Everything is already starting seriously. Why are ours pulling? Or are they waiting for NATO aircraft to start bombing our positions?

[Bratkov Oleg]

There is such a system, called air defense, and it is not completely destroyed in Ukraine. The entry of a bomber into the airspace of Ukraine, almost certain death. In such cases, cruise missiles are used.

[Sebostyuan]

It's interesting you talk. VKS cannot work due to unsuppressed air defense. And who should suppress this air defense? Then why should the tank go to positions with unsuppressed anti-tank systems. Why should the infantry storm the fort?
Maybe it's time to admit that the Aerospace Forces are simply not able to solve problems on ground targets and draw conclusions.

[Shurik70]

You can destroy the target with a missile, or even with a cheap drone, or you can make a heroic air raid, having lost part of the composition, complete the task.
The choice of which method to use is not even worth it.
And where it is possible - there apply. In Mariupol, in particular, they applied. After that, the Nazis had no ground fortifications left.
As for the complete destruction of air defense - while the radar is not active, it is difficult to detect. And the Nazis are now experienced - after using the radar, they change their location, and not all radars work at the same time. Stationary radars were destroyed at the very beginning of the NWO

[Sebostyuan]

I completely agree with you. I just urge not to look for excuses, but to recognize the problems.
Fortunately, they were recognized and solutions were announced.
So, the number of aircraft in the VKS is planned to be increased. The range of means of destruction - to expand. I am sure over time this will give an effect and reports about broken trains, supply columns, headquarters, warehouses, etc. will become commonplace.
As for the use of Tornado-S. Every day the fascists are waiting for new discoveries.

[Alex777]

Quote from Sebostyuan

I just urge not to look for excuses, but to recognize the problems.

The fact that aviation does not bomb FABs is a recognition of the problem.
But troubleshooting is a difficult task. Especially considering that air defense control in 404 is carried out, to a large extent, by NATO forces and from NATO territory.

Quote from Sebostyuan

The range of means of destruction - to expand.

This takes quite a lot of time.
Aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are regularly shot down.

[bayard]

Quote: Alex777

The fact that aviation does not bomb FABs is a recognition of the problem.
But troubleshooting is a difficult task. Especially considering that air defense control in 404 is carried out, to a large extent, by NATO forces and from NATO territory.

Greetings to Alexander.
MANPADS, with which the enemy's combat formations are oversaturated, have restrictions on the height of the target, and the enemy has not so many air defense systems capable of hitting high-altitude targets. Their identification and suppression opens up the possibility for aviation to bomb from high altitudes with KABs. But this requires a carefully thought-out and planned air-ground operation ... And how long ago did the RF Armed Forces conduct such exercises? How long have headquarters been planning such complex multi-level operations? And of course, this requires the sufficiency of strike aviation forces and the availability of the entire range of means of suppressing air defense and hitting targets from high altitudes with high-precision weapons and free-falling FABs. This is the task of strike aviation. As well as the concentration of forces in a specific section of the theater of operations to suppress air defense and ensure freedom of action for bombers from a height.
The second problem is the small number of attack aircraft, the load on which is high, and the aircraft themselves are quite old and knock out a resource. And no one prepared to replace them. Talk about using the Su-34 or Yak-130 in this capacity is not serious - the first is too expensive and large, is not able to provide the combat tension (the number of sorties per day) due to the attack aircraft, the second has no reservation and has a limited bomb load. At the same time, the Su-25, as it was, and remains an ideal attack aircraft in all respects.
Conclusion - it is necessary to resume the production of these aircraft in order to update and increase the fleet of these aircraft in the Russian Federation. This will require some effort, but all possible problems are completely solvable, and given that we will need to not only update the composition of the assault regiments, but also increase the number of attack aircraft by at least one and a half (preferably two) times ... and a very likely demand for them abroad, make this venture quite justified ... but pretty overdue. But there is no other correct way out of this situation, and drones will not solve these problems ... they have their own, very popular niche.
The same can be said about the need for the immediate start of production of the MFI MiG-35S at both existing and ready plants. Relying solely on heavy fighters led to a limited number of their fleet, difficulties in using highway sections for them as alternate airfields, and the inability to provide extended high combat stress (again due to insufficient numbers). Moreover, the LFMI is an excellent tool for rapidly building up the forces and combat capabilities of our allies (both existing and potential), for whom heavy fighters are redundant in terms of capabilities and unreasonably expensive to operate. And it is the MiG-35S that aircraft, with the help of which it is possible to sharply and quickly increase combat stability and ensure the security of such countries as: North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Syria ... Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia ... Mexico after all. In the face of a global confrontation on a planetary scale, we need to be able to quickly and efficiently strengthen the aviation of our allies. And for this we have a new 4 ++ generation aircraft with AFAR and the latest weapons system and TWO factories ready for its production!
You should not rely on the hypothetical and ephemeral Su-75 - it will appear in the series no earlier than the beginning or middle of the next decade. Not to mention the possibilities of its large-scale production and export deliveries.
At the same time, the Russian Aerospace Forces need to deploy at least 5 new FULL air regiments - 3 squadrons each with 12 fighters + 4 double fighters (both for training regiment pilots and for use by command personnel for direct command of combat operations). A total of at least 200 pcs. This will allow in a short time to increase the number of combat fighters until the moment when the light single-engine Su-75 comes into service and into the troops (if it comes).
And our allies need to be armed right now! Offering a loan with a convenient term and repayment methods. Strengthening them with air defense systems and coastal missile systems. And do (offer it) on your own initiative.

[Alex777]

Greetings to a colleague!

Quote: bayard

The enemy has not so many air defense systems for military and object air defense capable of hitting high-altitude targets.

Even what is left can cause considerable harm to ours.
Here those who are in place know better how to do it right ...

Quote: bayard

But this requires a carefully thought out and planned air-ground operation.

Agree. But we obviously have failures in preparation.

Quote: bayard

At the same time, the Su-25, as it was, and remains an ideal attack aircraft in all respects.
Conclusion - it is necessary to resume the production of these aircraft in order to update and increase the fleet of these aircraft in the Russian Federation.

Here is a difficult question. MANPADS leveled the role of attack aircraft.
The appearance of an analogue of the Shell in the enemy - will finish it off completely.
I believe that the Ka-52M should be built on an industrial scale.
Previously, for MO, he was "expensive". Now he is the only one fighting.

Quote: bayard

You should not rely on the hypothetical and ephemeral Su-75 - it will appear in the series no earlier than the beginning or middle of the next decade.

Here I would venture to disagree with you. In my opinion, the number of light aircraft matters. It is not for nothing that even the States are developing the F-22, but the F-35.
In my opinion, the need for such aircraft is extremely high. First of all, for yourself. I hope that the fried rooster normally sped up whoever needs it.
I also believe that the Su-75 will be more interesting than any Hunters. The meaning of such an UAV in a serious war is not very clear to me. And for the frivolous, it is too expensive and complicated.

Quote: bayard

And our allies need to be armed right now!

Agree. Therefore, I do not regret that we are selling the Su-35 to Iran.
Although they might be useful to us. It is necessary to "stretch the American owl" well "on the globe."

[ramzay21]

As for the complete destruction of air defense - while the radar is not active, it is difficult to detect.

The suppression of air defense, that is, its identification and destruction should be carried out by the Aerospace Forces, and for this they have Tu-204R, Su-34 and Su-30 aircraft, as well as very good anti-radar missiles, they only need a competent commander of the air defense system who will start doing this and an UAV for in order to force the enemy's air defenses to turn on their radars, we have everything else
The Azerbaijanis did something similar with the Turks against the air defense of Armenia, their command was smart enough to use the An-2 in the form of a decoy UAV and the Bayraktar UAV with anti-radar missiles against air defense systems, and they corrected and issued Turkish AWACS aircraft to the control center.

[Johnson Smithson]

And who should suppress this air defense?

now stingers are mostly shot down, they cannot be suppressed

Then why should the tank go to positions with unsuppressed anti-tank systems.

the loss of an aircraft is more painful for the aircraft,
compare how many tanks are made per year and how many aircraft, and how many years they study to be a pilot and a tanker

[poquello]

Quote from Johnson Smithson

now stingers are mostly shot down, they cannot be suppressed

))))))))))) The airborne defense complex works great against stingers, stingers are clearly not the reason

[Johnson Smithson]

Complexes like Vitebsk and heat traps do not give a 100% guarantee, losses from MANPADS still go on and are not small.
This is not to mention that Vitebsk is not everywhere.

[poquello]

Quote from Johnson Smithson

Complexes like Vitebsk and heat traps do not give a 100% guarantee, losses from MANPADS still go on and are not small.
This is not to mention that Vitebsk is not everywhere.

Well? count in reverse, what is the guarantee of defeat by the stinger?

[Stepan S]

losses from MANPADS are still going on and not small.

When working from a height of 6000 meters, no MANPADS are terrible, but it is there that air defense systems are terrible and therefore aviation does not rise there, respectively, more losses are incurred precisely from MANPADS, since they work over their heads.
In this campaign, we will not see the work of aviation throughout the entire depth of enemy territory. Air defense systems are constantly thrown up by allies to Ukraine and it is not possible to knock them out. if only by capturing most of the territory.

[Alex777]

Quote: poquello

))))))))))) The airborne defense complex works great against stingers, stingers are clearly not the reason

Apparently, that's why the Khibiny were written off for scrap?
So they proved themselves in real work?

[poquello]

Quote: Alex777

Quote: poquello

))))))))))) The airborne defense complex works great against stingers, stingers are clearly not the reason

Apparently, that's why the Khibiny were written off for scrap?
So they proved themselves in real work?

how can khibiny be used to combat MANPADS? the location of the MANPADS is unknown, there are points of the MANPADS outside the action, I don’t understand the idea

[Bebra_Negra]

stingers shoot down, because aviation operates at low altitudes. When the Ukrainian air defense systems are destroyed, our aircraft will be able to climb to a great height, where no stinger can reach. Actually, ours fly low, it seems, because the terrain does not allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to see our aircraft on the radars and direct SAM missiles at them.

[YOUR]

Not certainly in that way. And the height of the MANPADS is a maximum of 5 km. Those. climbed higher and fly as much as you like. Yes, and it's not easy to shoot down a plane. There is a video called our Su-24 scares ukrov. At low speed it flies over Ukrainian positions. The non-brothers lie and argue whether it is possible for the "umbrella" to simply aim.
Conclusion. Air defense ukrov not destroyed. The same Beeches, Wasps and S-300s are constantly moving, hiding, not all are destroyed.

[Alex777]

Quote: YOUR

Conclusion. Air defense ukrov not destroyed. The same Beeches, Wasps and S-300s are constantly moving, hiding, not all are destroyed.

Avaks, UAVs and satellites give them the opportunity to sit in ambush to the last. Therefore, now they have become deceptive targets to open the positions of the air defense of the VFU.

[VladMirU]

"Maybe it's time to admit that the Aerospace Forces are simply not capable of solving problems on ground targets and drawing conclusions."
Yes, they are incapable. Radars and should destroy the VKS. For this they were given anti-radar missiles. There are no tactics whatsoever. Blank targets where to provoke the radar. In any case, the radar must be forced to turn on the power, otherwise it will always be invisible. Therefore, we need a simultaneous raid of blank missiles and immediately after them aviation with missiles. Otherwise, they cannot be identified.

[FPEDDI_KPYGEP]

Can create a stealth bomber analogue f117?

[Roma 1977]

The Su-57 is just a multi-purpose stealth aircraft. It is used sporadically. The problem is in detecting enemy radars that are turned off, which do not want to shine too much.

[YOUR]

Well, turned off and off, how does it interfere? It takes time to turn on. The seeker of an anti-radar missile, as soon as the radar goes on the air, not only detects it, but also remembers the location. Ever since Vietnam, the Americans have always allocated an anti-aircraft defense group. By the way, the most experienced pilots. Suspension completely with PRLR. According to the detected radars, it doesn’t matter which air defense systems, they hit the surveillance radar almost in one gulp. Moreover, on some missiles, instead of a warhead, there were smoke, which, when ruptured, indicated the location of the radar. Why we don't do this I don't know.

[poquello]

Quote: Bratkov Oleg

The entry of a bomber into the airspace of Ukraine, almost certain death.

Well, why write something stupid? there is a possibility of defeat, ours simply protect the composition

[sgrabik]

Here, ultra-long-range satellite-guided missiles and UAVs are very much needed, but, unfortunately, we still have very few of them.

[Alexey G]

So it's time to destroy it, including aviation ....

[Yaroslav the Wise]

The bombers were always covered by fighters. What has changed in this tactic? Now how is it different?

[Geosun]

Quote from Luka Nord

FABs massively apply

Now, combat operations are completely different, highly mobile, without concentration of troops. Does it make sense to fly out and throw the FAB on a single tank or on a platoon? The end does not justify the means.

[Alex777]

Quote: Geosun

The end does not justify the means.

There are many purposes where FABs would be justified:
- bridges across the Dnieper and not only,
- fortified areas,
- critical and military infrastructure, etc.

[Argon]

I am amazed. Why did they realize this only a year later? Hasn't been used yet?

[dmi.pris1]

There are very few "Tornado S" in the troops. In any case, last year there were several batteries of this system. Well, their time has come

[stankow]

How many highmars, so many Tornado-S. parity, however.

[insafufa]

Quote: Argon

I am amazed. Why did they realize this only a year later? Hasn't been used yet?

Yes, everything was used and earlier, since March 2022, they demonstrated blocks from corrected projectiles to Tornado S. So, the tactics changed instead of otak mixed with unguided ammunition, they began to hit selectively.

[Orange Bigg]

Video of the application of Tornado-S in the ammunition depot in Nikolaev.

[Ivan Mak_2]

Apparently, the order-bearers from the Moscow Region did not purchase this type of projectile for Tornado-S, considering it unpromising

[bobba94]

Patam, if from May to November 2022 the Americans delivered 38 Hymers to Ukraine, then the Russian Armed Forces have only 30 Tornado MLRS of all modifications (Tornado-S, Tornado-G ....).

[YOUR]

It's so over there and there was no Tornado for the photo, they replaced it with a Tornado.

[Pulkovo1942]

"the enemy fires one or two rounds of ammunition."

Such vidos can be seen for a long time. This is not a cunning plan, but simply an acute shortage of adjustable ammunition.

[Volodin]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

Such vidos can be seen for a long time. This is not a cunning plan, but simply an acute shortage of adjustable ammunition.

Weird comment. And what does the "deficit of adjustable ammunition" have to do with the tactics of their use? Or do you need to peel with 9M542 packages? - A minimum of common sense with a maximum flow. Corrected, they seem to exist in order to solve the issue for a specific purpose with one or two

[Bingo]

Twydivizia! Dill learned that according to the performance characteristics of the Tornado, the analogue is complete, and with corrected missiles - the complete analogue of the Chimera, only CHEAPER?
T-s-s-s! Just don't tell the local Chimera sect! And so already here how many sects have died out - both Bayraktara, and Ilonka Maska, the Fat Penguin sect is again in a minor with its malfunctions ...

[dmi.pris1]

Not a complete analogue. The caliber is larger, and missiles launched in one gulp. The Hymers have a larger range of ammunition and the flight path at the final stage is different. Interception is difficult. By the way, this system can also fire ground-to-air missiles. detection and guidance to an air target I don’t know

[Bingo]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

and launched missiles in one gulp.

Which, by the way, is called MLRS. Somehow a volley of 6 missiles and of 12 ... I recently spoke here, grappling with the sect - Hurricane (comparable in caliber) with 16 guides - when firing high-precision - the tasks of the Chimera will be fulfilled. But the Chimera, in order to be compared with it - 3 is necessary, we will like it in terms of money?
Uuu... What happened to them...

[poquello]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

The Hymers has a larger range of ammunition and the flight path at the final stage is different.

)))))))) Do you know the flight path of tornado-s guided missiles?
and what kind of system do you have about "ground-air"? Didn't understand

[Neo-9947]

No matter how much you write CapsLock, that in Russia everything is CHEAPER, for some reason the refrigerator does not believe in it.
We take the popular Toyota RAV4. New 2.5 l. 4x4. In the US, prices start at $37500, which is 2 rubles at our virtual exchange rate, while in Russia it costs 500 rubles.
The goods are not American and not Russian, foreign for both countries. Why do prices vary so much? Or are our salaries hoo-hoo higher than in America?
Or is it the policy of the government that we have - the people are the second oil?

[dmi.pris1]

I understand that our business is very greedy. How does this relate to the topic of the article?

[Neo-9947]

This correlates with the comment of comrade Bingo, who wrote that tornadoes are CHEAPER than himars without references to official sources.
Are you sure of this?

, we have a very greedy business

Comrade Marx bequeathed to us that capital for 300% of the profit ... will sell his mother, buy and sell again, but more expensive ... And that the capitalist is the same in all countries.
In short, a bad hostess always has a cat to blame ....

[nils]

Quote: Neo-9947

Or is it the policy of the government that we have - the people are the second oil?

What, you just found out about it? The OST plan was prepared back in 1941. The moment of the start of implementation only dragged on until 1991, with competent adjustments to activate it in the period from 2000. So there is no need to be surprised, you need to understand the essence of the process. Unfortunately, they fart there, and many say - aroma!

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: nils

Unfortunately, they fart there, and many say - aroma!

Are you talking about playing the pipe, followed by only rats and people with immature minds like those of children?

[Alexander Salenko]

And who writes that everything is cheaper? We are talking about military equipment, and more specifically about the MLRS, well, our tanks are also cheaper, and artillery, part of which costs nothing at all, went nuts when I saw the D-1 howitzer of 1943 edition. Here it is worth nothing at all, because hell knows when it was produced.
But MLRS are worth something, because Tornado systems are new, so they are cheaper than chimeras, what's wrong?

[stankow]

Everybody. Since a Japanese car is cheaper in America, America is better, stronger and brighter. Rus' give up!

[Dart2027]

I remember when a message appeared that the MLRS was becoming a precision weapon, some objected, saying why there are Iskanders.

[Incvizitor]

The question is the price of calibers and the price of these missiles.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Dart2027

MLRS becomes a precision weapon

MLRS should not be highly accurate - it's as pointless as making a sniper rifle out of a machine gun.
But we definitely need high-precision missiles with a range of 50 to 200 kilometers to hit individual targets at distances when artillery can no longer reach, and Iskander is redundant. That is, this is a special class of missiles, even if they are launched from existing multiple rocket launchers. We can say that operational-tactical systems are at a minimum ...

[voyaka uh]

"operational-tactical systems at minimum wages" ///
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And there is. All over the world, RZSO missiles with a caliber above 120-125 mm are being converted into operational-tactical ones. Add GOS and empennage (and gas rudders, if necessary).
And sometimes they achieve an accuracy of hitting with a KVO of 1 m, like that of the Hymers.

[ivan1979nkl]

MLRS should not be highly accurate

and if the manufacturers-developers offered, as an option, the opportunity to fire high-precision ammunition at any time? would anyone refuse?

[nik-mazur]

Quote from ivan1979nkl

as an option, the ability to fire precision-guided munitions at any time

Being able to snipe in addition to firing bursts (or volleys) is a very good thing. But replacing one with another is stupidity. The reason is that a prerequisite for sniper shooting is the ability to aim, which is not always possible. And a machine gun or MLRS (or the very massive artillery fire on the squares that couch experts love to criticize so much) gives a chance to destroy the target without precise aiming. Actually, that is why the machine gun steers compared to the sniper rifle...

[Sergei Kazarin]

Some even on the experience of NWO are not able to learn.
4 Hymers changed the course of the war, but hundreds of MLRS could not

[Incvizitor]

If it is possible to set a target for each missile and launch in a row, then you can work out the entire accumulation of equipment, for example, at once, the option would be very good.

[Dart2027]

Quote from: nik-mazur

But we definitely need high-precision missiles with a range of 50 to 200 kilometers to hit individual targets at distances when artillery can no longer reach, and Iskander is redundant. That is, this is a special class of missiles, even if they are launched from existing multiple launch rocket systems.

This is what we are talking about. Nobody talked about abandoning conventional missiles.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Dart2027

No one talked about abandoning conventional missiles

There are such admirers of the American concept: one shot - one dead body. Americans have been talking about this topic since the Revolutionary War. Only then there was a cult of a well-aimed shooter-gunfighter, and now they run on high-precision systems, such as satellites, GPS, lasers and other high-tech.

[Dart2027]

Quote from: nik-mazur

There are such admirers of the American concept: one shot - one dead body. Americans have been talking about this topic since the Revolutionary War.

Everything is good in moderation.

[Zaurbek]

Over a certain caliber is a must.

[bath]

Looking at the war from a Chinese point of view, one thing is for sure, if Russia does not achieve an absolute victory, then Ukraine will become another Poland or another Lithuania. In the centuries to come, Ukraine will be one of the most determined outposts of containing and resisting Russia.

Russia now has only two options: defeat the Americans and leave Ukraine without support, or occupy Kyiv and leave the US without its tools.

[dmi.pris1]

You know, this war, or rather an analogue, we already had. In the century before last. Russian-Turkish ... They also wanted to "kill in one fell swoop." But the war turned out to be very bloody and incomplete.

[Alexander Salenko]

Digressing from the topic, then there was the sad experience of the Crimean War. And the miscalculation of the Russian leadership in relation to Germany, which 7 years earlier was supported in its war with France.

[Incvizitor]

More like the Chechen ones, it looks like the West created a terrorist pseudo-state on our territory and supported it, we fought with them carelessly, there were a lot of problems, including those artificially created by officials by enemies, brought to a truce with terrorists then at home, Beslan, Nord Ost ...

[stankow]

In the century before last, there were already 4 Russian-Turkish wars. 1806-11, 1829, 1853, 1877-78. Three of them ended with a victory for Russia, one - with a defeat.

[Pankrat25]

The word "occupy" in this case is not suitable. 60 - 70% of the population of Kyiv, with competent work with them, will be quite loyal and speak mainly in Russian. The categorical rejection of about 10 - 20% of the population. But dissatisfied were, are and will be always and everywhere.

[evgen1221]

And SHTA? Many would be surprised if we responded to shelling with chimeras with shelling from chimeras.

[rusich]

And what did the Ukrainians think that the answer would not fly in response to the shelling of the civilian population HIMARS.

[Alexander Salenko]

It is true, but here you can see some explanations for Ukrainian citizens initially, they were sure that the Russian army, like the Ukrainian one until 2014.

[leks]

It finally dawned on someone in the GSHMO that you can still use Tornado-S and destroy, say, warehouses or headquarters deep behind enemy lines. And also not to turn the earth into a lunar landscape with an incomprehensible result using tons of ammunition!

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

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[FPEDDI_KPYGEP]

Is the precision of a tornado on par with the highmars? Hit right on the window?

[Roma 1977]

Not really. But enough to hit a target measuring 20x20 meters. That is, a warehouse, a bunker, a radar station, a detached manor-type building, etc. To get into the window is a "product 305" with a television guidance by an operator.

[Sergei Kazarin]

No, of course, Tornado-S descends by parachute, it can be blown away by the wind

[Armen Sologyan]

By firing at civilians in the LPR and DPR, including children's institutions and medical enterprises, they will ensure that volleys will be fired at the Security Service, the Rada, and where the Zelenka sits. As for the supply of tanks and other things, Russia also has eyes in the Earth's orbit. At the same time, everything is visible, given the special thermal imagers, and you can’t hide a cold tank with barge haulers. Yes, and from orbit you can hit. Everything is possible if there is a will.

[Viktor Sergeev]

The tornado is much more powerful than the Hymers, he is a soldier, it's time for ours to learn advertising from the Americans.

[Pavel57]

The range of guided weapons is expanding. For this case, the return to service of TochkaU, with control by satellite correction, would be justified.

[Sergei Kazarin]

Where is it expanding? Tornado-S was developed under Serdyukov and is still not massively in the army

[fa2998]

Quote from Sebostyuan

It's interesting you talk. VKS cannot work due to unsuppressed air defense. And who should suppress this air defense?

You can refer to military experience. In the early 90s, Iraqi air defense was suppressed by stealthy aircraft (antediluvian F-117), KR. And radio reconnaissance, target designation, and special aircraft created on the basis of commercial ships interfered. What in 30 years, with astronomical oil prices, nothing has been created?? We have everything that has no analogues in the world!

[Sith]

Quote: Bratkov Oleg

There is such a system, called air defense, and it is not completely destroyed in Ukraine. The entry of a bomber into the airspace of Ukraine, almost certain death. In such cases, cruise missiles are used.

So it is necessary to remake FABs into planning bombs

[Okakakiev]

This makes me happy. Cheap high-precision missile

[Sergei Kazarin]

Some incomprehensible publics, videos of the application could not be particularly seen.

while the tornado parachutes down, everyone will have time to scatter

[Zaurbek]

I have a proposal from the RAC: hang a 300mm corr rocket under the Su30 (or MiG31) in two pieces. The range, taking into account the ground 100 km in the air, should be under 300 km. A good percussion tool will turn out.

[storm]

And what prevents engineers from increasing the range of controlled RS for Tornado-S with GLONASS guidance to 200-300 km?
The Chinese did it ten years ago.
At least for strikes against stationary objects, they are no worse than Caliber, but only at a much cheaper price.
The digital map of Ukraine, as reported by the media, was created back in the summer, so the Tornado-C MLRS divisions from the Bryansk and Kherson regions would be able to shoot through the entire territory of Ukraine from the North and South, destroying the transport and energy infrastructure much more efficiently than the strike UAVs GERAN due to an order of magnitude larger ammunition, or by working with homing cluster munitions at once on several targets.