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Is Belgium a new Islamic state?

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Is Belgium a new Islamic state?Statistical studies in Belgium predict a significant increase in the proportion of Muslims in the country's population by 2030 year. About the fact whether Belgium is threatened with Islamization and why the idea of ​​multiculturalism in Europe failed, Professor Maxim Kiselev told the Voice of Russia.

According to published data, the share of Islam in Belgium may be 2030 by the year 10 percent of the population. Local newspapers remind that the predictions made by sociologist Olivier Servé, who predicted that, over time, the parties representing the Islamic community will put their candidates to the Belgian elections come true in this way.

What future awaits Belgium, and how Europe is threatened by Islamization, Maxim Kiselev, a professor at the Russian University of Peoples' Friendship, told the Voice of Russia:

- What threatens Belgium and all of Europe with an increase in the number of Muslims? Will the region turn into Islamic over time?

- This is a very difficult question - will it turn or not. But now, judging by the latest municipal elections in Brussels, quietly turns. Now two representatives of the Islam party, who have entered the municipal administration of Brussels, quite openly say that this is apparently a matter of decades. In any case, those politicians who came from Islamists are aimed specifically at making the region Islamic. And this fact is somewhat scary.

It is evidence that the conversation that began about the collapse of multiculturalism, which in February 2011 of the year was recognized first by Angela Merkel and then by other European politicians, remains relevant. And, really, it seems to me, Europe is beginning to face a very serious problem.

- But in principle, what the worst will happen if Muslims will hold any posts in power? What does it threaten with? Probably nothing wrong with that?

- This is absolutely nothing terrible, I completely agree with you here. But the fact is that in this case even such a very openly expressed policy of Muslim leaders to transform Belgium into a Sharia state suggests that the freedom of some will triumph at the expense of the freedom of others. Imagine Belgium is a Christian country, and despite all the contradictions between Flanders and Walloon, despite all the economic discussions that take place between the two largest provinces, suddenly Belgium becomes an Islamic state. That is, will it suggest that the entire Christian population of Belgium today becomes adherents of Islam?

- And do the calls to create a Sharia state in Belgium really sound there already?

- I looked, in particular, at the statements of Reduan Arush, the new councilor of the municipality in Brussels from the Islam party, who quite openly speaks of the future Belgium, living under Sharia law. Let's imagine for a moment on the spot, say, an average Belgian. Does he have to see any colossal advantages of Islam over the religion that fathers and grandfathers professed?

- No, of course, I do not think so.

“I don't think so either.” I am quite familiar with Belgium, I have been to this country many times. Belgium is a very tolerant and moderate in terms of religiosity country. And I do not think that for Belgium in general questions of faith as such are super-actual. But, nevertheless, I do not think that people would like it. Remember what happened in Switzerland when suddenly the muezzins began calling Muslims to pray at five in the morning in small Swiss towns. Would you like to be woken up at five in the morning with a voice not from your prayer or from your religion?

- And then, because there are a lot of atheists in the country, not only religious people live there.

- Of course. I’m talking about this, that in Belgium a really calm attitude to religion. There are so many people who simply stand in this case out of any kind of faith. And I do not think that they will be enthusiastic about the idea of ​​a Shariah state. Moreover, we know that this stories there are so many dark sides of it. So far, the requirements of Muslims are extremely, I would say, practical. These are halal dinners in schools and enterprises, the transformation of Muslim holidays on weekends, although here we also have a very serious and big question. If the number of Muslims in the country is growing and, accordingly, their presence in the productive forces of the country will be significant, if Muslim holidays become a weekend for the whole country, then this is a serious blow to the economy. Well, wearing hijabs in schools. This problem with hijabs, having manifested itself so brightly in its time in France, remains relevant.

- But if we talk about Europe, except for Belgium, do such calls still sound somewhere?

- You know, the question is quite complicated, because if we talk about Islamization, then, probably, it concerns many European countries. First of all, Germany. Although in Germany the problem is still very complicated by the fact that after the entire history of Nazism in the country, the Germans are trying to be extremely sensitive about the issues of faith and the issues of other peoples living there. But the number of people practicing Islam in Germany is very significant. And for Germany, as well as, I think, for Belgium, this, unfortunately, is a rather forced and hopeless story, simply because most of the countries of Western Europe are aging countries. They drastically reduce the number of working-age population in the labor markets.

- And nothing remains, how to attract migrants from Asia, from other countries ...

- Absolutely, there is nothing left but to attract massively workers. For Germany, this is, say, mainly Turkey. But to a large extent this is also relevant for Belgium. There are workers from Turkey and African countries professing Islam. The same problem exists in the UK. We remember when David Cameron supported Merkel and Sarkozy, who recognized the collapse of multiculturalism.
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  1. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 14 November 2012 07: 20
    +7
    they let them into their own countries .... internationalists ... now they are tormented, and in general, towards immigrants in the world, basically one relationship is alien ... here you can not argue
    1. WW3
      WW3 14 November 2012 07: 33
      +6
      Belgium is very tolerant and moderate in terms of religiosity.

      They will test the Belgian euro tolerance for strength with prayers at 5 am

      Would you like to be woken up at five in the morning with the voice of not your prayer or your religion?

      I don’t, however, I’m not a Belgian ... am

      Well, wearing hijabs in schools.

      France said decisive no!
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 14 November 2012 10: 56
        +4
        Quote: WW3
        France said decisive no!

        ... Brussels, as the capital of European Salafism!. The Muslim capital of Europe should be Paris, and that's it! Interesting reading, I recommend ... what brings multitolerast ...
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 14 November 2012 18: 05
          0
          So they need fools, very tolerant, let them now get up at 5 in the morning under screaming call to prayer.
          1. WW3
            WW3 14 November 2012 18: 41
            +5
            let them stand at 5 in the morning under the cries of a call to prayer

            It’s better to get up when the cock crowes in the morning laughing than under calls at five in the morning with the voice of not your prayer in a foreign language ...
          2. in reserve
            in reserve 15 November 2012 00: 50
            0

            crazyrom
            So they need fools, very tolerant, let them now stand at 5 in the morning under the cries of a call to prayer.

            Next we.
        2. WW3
          WW3 14 November 2012 18: 59
          +5
          Quote: Kaa
          Interesting reading, I recommend ... what brings multitolerast

          Thank you, Kaa.
          video here ...
  2. Sars
    Sars 14 November 2012 07: 28
    +10
    If the population of Europeans has completely degraded and is dying out, then it must be replaced by someone — not Muslims, so Chinese, Negroes, etc.
    1. WW3
      WW3 14 November 2012 16: 11
      +8
      Quote: SarS
      the population of Europeans has completely degraded

      This is the result of gay parades, gay marriage, legalization of soft drugs, tolerance and humanity to such as Breivik ...
      how do you like this picture ...
      1. WW3
        WW3 14 November 2012 16: 18
        +6
        I’m just disgusted to look at it ...
      2. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 14 November 2012 20: 16
        +2
        I would not want to justify the killer, but ... Breivik is just the protest of an ordinary layman on Islamization, same-sex marriages and the government’s refusal to preserve the traditional way ...
  3. Lavrik
    Lavrik 14 November 2012 07: 55
    +6
    But when the Arabs. Turks, Negroes rushed to Europe in order to search for warm places, it was immediately evident that they would soon fill Europe and someday begin to dictate their conditions. God took the mind of the Europeans.
    1. Shuhrat turani
      Shuhrat turani 14 November 2012 08: 51
      -7
      Quote: Lavrik
      God took the mind of the Europeans.


      Do not blaspheme, lad. Everything that happens is for the best. Nothing happens in vain ...
      1. arkady149
        arkady149 14 November 2012 09: 31
        +4
        I would like to make it clear to the militant Islamists that Christianity is also militant, it was they who created the current civilization and it is not necessary to force Christians to return to the expansive doctrines, this will not lead to good.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 November 2012 11: 31
          0
          Quote: arkady149
          I would like to make clear to the militant Islamists, do not forget Christianity is also militant

          And we don’t need to make it clear that the Crusades were arranged by Christians and every Muslim knows about it))
          1. in reserve
            in reserve 14 November 2012 11: 47
            +8
            And from where you get out, pretend to be SUPERRELIGIOUS, and you will die FAT already behind the ears it bursts laughing
          2. Leisure
            Leisure 14 November 2012 12: 48
            +3
            The Crusades were organized by Catholics, with the Pope at the head.
            1. in reserve
              in reserve 14 November 2012 13: 06
              +3

              Leisure
              The Crusades were organized by Catholics, with the Pope at the head.

              Yes, it doesn’t interest them, they now have one the idea of ​​"fix" the creation of a world caliphate.
          3. arkady149
            arkady149 15 November 2012 09: 29
            0
            Quote: Yeraz
            And we don’t need to make it clear that the Crusades were arranged by Christians and every Muslim knows about it))
            That is, you continue to insist on a split in society on a confessional basis, preaching the Sharia ideology in secular society.
      2. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 14 November 2012 16: 54
        +3
        Quote: Shuhrat Turani
        Everything that happens is for the best. Nothing happens in vain ...

        for the best for whom? I personally do not want such a future IMHO
        1. Shuhrat turani
          Shuhrat turani 14 November 2012 17: 23
          0
          Quote: wasjasibirjac
          for the best for whom? I personally do not want such a future IMHO


          My previous statement is a Russian proverb in a free statement, the essence of this does not change. God pays tribute to everyone. Both Italians and Greeks and Iraqis and Palestinians suffer, but everything that comes from God. We may not understand what God's business is, but we must accept it and draw conclusions, so something has been done wrong.

          And do not rank me as extremists ... I am far from extremism.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 November 2012 19: 03
            0
            Quote: Shuhrat Turani
            God pays tribute to everyone. Both Italians and Greeks and Iraqis and Palestinians suffer, but everything that comes from God
            That's right!
            And God gives victory and defeat !!
            1. MstislavHrabr
              MstislavHrabr 14 November 2012 20: 20
              +3
              "Trust in God - don't do it yourself!"
  4. WW3
    WW3 14 November 2012 08: 01
    +12
    In France, a law came into force prohibiting women from wearing a burqa and hijab in administrative institutions, transport, trade, school and medical institutions, post offices, on beaches, in public parks, on city streets and in places of walking.

    The new law provides a fine of 150 euros for violation of its provisions. According to the court, the fine can be replaced or supplemented by listening to a course of lectures on the norms of civil behavior. Persons trying to force women to wear a burqa using threats or intimidation are facing imprisonment of up to one year and a fine of 30 thousand euros. The size of the punishment is doubled if the person forced to wear a burqa is a minor.

    And rightly so.
    1. Shuhrat turani
      Shuhrat turani 14 November 2012 09: 06
      -11
      Quote: WW3
      And rightly so.


      it is not right. The rights of the confessional minority have been violated, freedom of religion has been violated. This is rotten Eurodemocracy. Europe has abandoned the light of democracy and will be mired in fascism, the current that will become a grave for it. But the laws of nature will take their toll. With the presence of a substance, vacuum is not possible, but to create it, forces are needed, and forces in Europe are becoming less. So there are two ways out:
      1. Depopulation-degeneration-and degeneration into something else
      2. Tighter regime — increased military spending (new colonial empires if you have enough strength) —– fall (a case similar to the fall of Byzantium)

      Minus more is the best reward.
      1. WW3
        WW3 14 November 2012 09: 11
        +7
        Quote: Shuhrat Turani
        it is not right. The rights of the confessional minority are violated, the freedom of religion is violated

        Please, the European court, he is the most humane and fair bully


        Quote: Shuhrat Turani
        Minus more is the best reward.

        With what "fright" I will "minus" you - you expressed your opinion ...
      2. arkady149
        arkady149 14 November 2012 09: 43
        +3
        Why are these refugees and migrants working creatively only in the first generation? Europe and Russia are not the Arabian desert (the birthplace of Islam) is a slightly different way of life. Not war and trade (Islam is the most worthy occupation for a man) created the blessings for which visitors are so eager.
      3. skullcap
        skullcap 14 November 2012 09: 44
        +19
        Shuhrat Turani Today, 09: 06
        it is not right. The rights of the confessional minority are violated, the freedom of religion is violated
        -------------------------------------------------- -----------------
        If we take into account how the "rights of a confessional minority, ... freedom of religion" are respected in countries where Islamists came to power, then we must admit that pearls should be thrown only in front of those who are able to appreciate this and respond to the kind attitude of those the same.
        And with those who use the hospitality of the owners in order to seize their property and land, as happened in the same Kosovo, it is necessary to act with all fair severity, expelling such quickly and without sentiment.
        1. skullcap
          skullcap 14 November 2012 10: 28
          +9
          Shl. A small illustration of the Islamic world order:
          “In Denmark, in the city of Kokkedale, an inter-religious conflict erupted: the council of residents in the Egedalsveng district refused to allocate funds for the purchase of trees for the celebration of Christmas. 60 thousand crowns or more than 10 thousand dollars were allocated for the Muslim holiday, and Christians asked for funds to buy several trees for 5-7 thousand Danish crowns (from 852 to 1193 US dollars).
          “I still believe that we must insist on our decision, since this is not a question of money, but of principle. It seems to me ridiculous that, being a Muslim, I have to organize a Christian holiday. I have never celebrated Christmas, and I don’t want to celebrate it now, ”said Ismail Mestasi, a member of the Egedalsvenga Housing Board, quoted by Ridus.

          Local Christians called the authorities' act "intolerant" and began to independently raise funds to buy Christmas trees. "
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 November 2012 11: 38
          -3
          Quote: kosopuz
          And with those who use the hospitality of the owners in order to seize their property and land,

          What does it mean use ??
          You see, the difference between some Islamic countries and Europe. They have freedom of religion in their constitution, that is, you can walk barefoot or cover yourself completely. (Turkey, Azerbaijan, etc.) They demand it because Europe yells about the freedom of everything and everything, and when it is disadvantageous for it to do the opposite. If Christians spoke to them their main rights above, I could finally say nothing. But they for equality, people enjoy equal rights.
          1. A. Yaga
            A. Yaga 14 November 2012 12: 23
            +2
            .But they are supposedly for equality, that is, people enjoy equal rights.

            Type to seize property of owners - to use equality.
            Like the owners do not have any rights to equality.
            Class !! fool
        3. Shuhrat turani
          Shuhrat turani 14 November 2012 17: 28
          -4
          Quote: kosopuz
          If we take into account how the "rights of a confessional minority, ... freedom of religion" are respected in countries where Islamists came to power, then we must admit that pearls should be thrown only in front of those who are able to appreciate this and respond to the kind attitude of those the same.


          No need to follow the traditions of statehood of distant Islamic countries. But it is necessary to develop democracy in Europe, because Europe is the light of freedom in the pitch kingdom of the forces of Evil and Injustice.
          1. skullcap
            skullcap 14 November 2012 17: 46
            +3
            Shuhrat Turani Today, 17: 28
            And it is necessary to develop democracy in Europe, because. Europe is the light of freedom in the kingdom of the forces of Evil and Injustice.
            -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
            --------
            As I understand it, the current Islamists have decided in this regard to become brighter "the light in the utter realm of the forces of Evil and Injustice" - that is, Europe. And overshadow democracy with the glitter of Sharia?
        4. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 14 November 2012 20: 27
          +4
          It is not customary for Russians to chase away a guest ... But he must respect our traditions with respect. And if he wants to stay to live with us, he must accept them as his own ... The problem is not that our traditions are not respected by foreigners, but that we do not comply, do not uphold, do not value ourselves ...
      4. SAVA555.IVANOV
        SAVA555.IVANOV 14 November 2012 10: 41
        +15
        Quote: Shuhrat Turani
        This is rotten Eurodemocracy

        Build your Islamic democracy, you build a rich Islamic state !!!!? And the Christians will come to you and begin to build churches violating your rights, for your money !!!? Weak !!! ??????????????
        1. Shuhrat turani
          Shuhrat turani 14 November 2012 17: 30
          -4
          Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
          Build your Islamic democracy, build you rich Islamic state


          that's why Muslims do not build rich states, and then all sorts of people will be ... lol
          1. skullcap
            skullcap 14 November 2012 17: 57
            +5
            Shuhrat Turani Today, 17: 30
            that's why Muslims do not build rich states, and then all sorts of people will be ...
            --------------------------------------
            Build, build ...
            And Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates, and even Qatar, are very rich countries.
            But according to the laws of Sharia, all wealth is in the hands of local bays and mullahs, and to poor dekhanam, beside ketmen under the hot southern sun nothing shines.
            Therefore, the poor fellows flee to the infidels in Europe. But the bai through the mullahs and here they are already fed up and organized according to the laws of shariat, so that everything created by the infidels belongs to the faithful.
            in the proportions established by sharia for dekhan and persons close to the descendants of the prophet, respectively.
            Therefore, with the victory of Shari'ah in Europe, dekhan awaits as rich a life as in the original Islamic countries.
            And this is not IMHO, but the undeniable perspective of the fighters for Islam in Europe.
      5. in reserve
        in reserve 14 November 2012 11: 33
        +12

        Shuhrat turani
        This is rotten Eurodemocracy.

        Well then, pretending to Europe, since you want to build a good life in your own democracy, "YOU CAN'T." Planting your religion in other countries
        Europe has abandoned the light of democracy and will be mired in fascism, the current that will become a grave for it.
        I would say Muslim fascism.
        1. Shuhrat turani
          Shuhrat turani 14 November 2012 17: 34
          -1
          Quote: in stock
          Well then, pretending to Europe, since you want to build a good life in your own democracy, "YOU CAN'T." Planting your religion in other countries

          A person differs from an animal in that it adapts the world around itself, and does not adapt to external conditions ... This is the nature of man.
          On the other hand, Europe, along with the amers, democratized Libya, Iraq, so why not Europe in Islam?
          1. in reserve
            in reserve 15 November 2012 00: 10
            +3
            Shuhrat turani
            A person differs from an animal in that it adapts the world around itself, and does not adapt to external conditions ... This is the nature of man.

            As a result of such a person, misfortune, collapse, apocalypse overtakes because he cannot live in harmony with the world around him.
            In order to ruin your victorious action in Europe, you need to sober up the political decision of the leaders of Europe. Which, you yourself probably guess.
          2. arkady149
            arkady149 15 November 2012 09: 38
            0
            Quote: Shuhrat Turani
            On the other hand, Europe, along with the amers, democratized Libya, Iraq, so why not Europe in Islam?
            .If this is stupid revenge - then say so, there is nothing to mow under civilians.
      6. Kaa
        Kaa 14 November 2012 14: 46
        +8
        Quote: Shuhrat Turani
        freedom of religion is violated.

        Let them "freely confess" in Islamo-theocratic countries. In the Emirates, in Saudi Arabia, imagine a woman of European descent in a tank top and shorts, or an "alcoholic" peasant. Doesn't work, haram? In the same way, there is no need to impose Muslim customs on Europe.
        1. Shuhrat turani
          Shuhrat turani 14 November 2012 17: 42
          -4
          Quote: Kaa
          Let them "freely confess" in Islamo-theocratic countries. In the Emirates, in Saudi Arabia, imagine a woman of European descent in a tank top and shorts, or an "alcoholic" peasant. Doesn't work, haram? In the same way, there is no need to impose Muslim customs on Europe.


          Are European countries Christian-theocratic countries? Or have you seen anyone wearing a hijab within the Vatican? Democracy implies freedom of expression and freedom of conscience if people are not affected. And who gets sick from the hijab?
          On the other hand, in Turkey, Egypt (before the coup), Europeans freely flashed their bare asses and thumped, did someone interfere with moralizing? In many Muslim countries, people calmly wear European-style clothing ... All this hysteria in Europe is contrived and has purely economic roots, stagnation, a recession reduce the well-being of the EU countries and they began the struggle for economic advantages, as well as European officials earn points on racism and Islamophobia.
      7. Volozhanin
        Volozhanin 14 November 2012 17: 25
        +1
        Europe, on the contrary, is mired in democracy, even too much. It is necessary to change something, otherwise Europe, as we know it, will not be soon.
      8. arkady149
        arkady149 15 November 2012 09: 33
        0
        Quote: Shuhrat Turani
        Minus more is the best reward.
        And will you seriously consider yourself injured for Faith? Do not humiliate Islam.
  5. Lavrik
    Lavrik 14 November 2012 08: 19
    +5
    Quote: WW3
    And rightly so.
    But it’s even more correct to somehow limit the access of Arabs to Europe. Turks, etc.
    1. WW3
      WW3 14 November 2012 08: 25
      +4
      To deport back all illegal immigrants ....
      ... how to limit? ... did you see a photo of how they, on ships, in crowds, land on the Italian coast, for example?
      1. WW3
        WW3 14 November 2012 08: 33
        +6
        Thousands of "refugees" continue to arrive in Italy

        And then they spread throughout the EU, since there are practically no special internal borders ...
        1. SAVA555.IVANOV
          SAVA555.IVANOV 14 November 2012 11: 54
          +5
          Yes, you look at the picture !!!! IT IS REFUGEES !!!!!!! ????
          THIS IS THE ARMY !!!!!!! This is the army "bear" devouring everything in its path !!!!!
          "LET'S BEER, LET'S FEEL !!!!!!!!!!!! ????
        2. does it
          does it 15 November 2012 23: 56
          0
          by the way, I didn’t notice women in the photo, and didn’t notice Italy TV in the news.
          1. MG42
            MG42 16 November 2012 00: 08
            +2
            Quote: kvirit
            I didn’t notice women in the photo, and didn’t notice Italy TV in the news.

            You look at the news about Lampedusa, there is such an island in the Mediterranean that belongs to Italy wassat Here's another photo from the scene
            Carabinieri only as extras.
          2. WW3
            WW3 16 November 2012 00: 57
            +2
            Here is a photo from TV

            And the hedgehog can see that this is Italy!
        3. MG42
          MG42 16 November 2012 00: 24
          +2
          A new batch of refugees from African countries arrived on the Italian island of Lampedusa. About 350 people, including women and children from Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Libya. Every day the situation on the island is becoming increasingly tense. Illegal immigrants have nowhere to place: the center for temporary reception of refugees is designed for 800 people.

          Meanwhile, from January to March 2011 on Lampedus landed about 15 thousands illegal immigrants, which is three times the indigenous population of the island.
          There are no women in the photo sorted apparently, but I can find a photo with women, if very necessary lol
          Copyright © 2012 euronews
          1. WW3
            WW3 16 November 2012 01: 15
            +2
            This is how the "refugees" are already burning Italian property ...

            and stone the police ...
            ...
    2. MG42
      MG42 14 November 2012 08: 46
      +13
      Quote: Lavrik
      But it’s even more correct to somehow limit the access of Arabs to Europe. Turks, etc.

      "Restricted" can be when the Italian Coast Guard sinks these corals and boats in the Mediterranean am
      1. Su24
        Su24 14 November 2012 18: 57
        +2
        Italy took part in the attack on Libya, and itself generated this stream of refugees, so let it dissipate.
  6. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 14 November 2012 08: 48
    +12
    What the old Europe promoted, it’s achieved .... The time for throwing stones has passed, it’s time to collect them .... And if in Russian, then what they have sown, they will now reap .... Now we need to think about how Russia can avoid this fate ... We, too, are slowly but surely moving in this direction .... Maybe it’s enough to go on with Europe and start our own, Russian migration policy, which is radically different from the policy of the West?
  7. baltika-18
    baltika-18 14 November 2012 10: 12
    +13
    Belgium, Belgium .... As if in Russia we don’t have this problem. What could be worse than the cry of the muezzin, Only a woman in a hijab. what
    1. Middle-brother
      Middle-brother 14 November 2012 10: 24
      +9
      Quote: baltika-18
      As if in Russia we don’t have this problem

      Join.
      To be honest, put to Belgium. It’s scary what is happening now
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 14 November 2012 11: 42
        +1
        Quote: Middle Brother
        It’s scary what is happening now

        Well, excuse me, of course, but you are very mistaken. The countries of North Africa and the countries of the Caucasus and Central Asia, Islam is very different. Where did you see everyone to go in burqa? In the case of the Caucasus, there is more tradition than Islam. It is simple both in the Caucasus and in Russia people don’t always understand where it begins, and where traditions, and by the way, in many places traditions contradict Islam, but people who don’t know this do not know, and they accept the norms of the traditions of their people as the tradition of Islam. To take the simplest example, you yourself know how everyone in the Caucasus praises their nationality and considers him better than others. Although Islam rejects such a thing as nationality, we are all Muslim brothers (not an organization wink )
        1. Middle-brother
          Middle-brother 14 November 2012 11: 45
          0
          Quote: Yeraz
          Well, sorry, of course, but you are very wrong

          What am I mistaken about and what will you apologize for?
        2. SAVA555.IVANOV
          SAVA555.IVANOV 14 November 2012 12: 21
          +4
          People without a divine principle inside and without autonomous thinking, they are subject to obscurantism and animal instincts. What is lacking in life for a modern (if he is, of course) person !! ??? If he is looking for a religious refuge, a leader on his neck !!! This person does not know where is left and where is right !? Doesn't distinguish between colors !! ?? Doesn't know what to eat and what not !! ?? What to wear and how to wash !! ???? You can't insult people by calling them "infidels" Muslims don't know this !!!!!!! ! ??????????
          Build your Muslim state on your territory and show (like the Soviet Union once) "FAK Yu" to the US world gendarme !!!!!!
        3. in reserve
          in reserve 14 November 2012 12: 51
          +2
          Yeraz
          Where did you see that without exception everyone would go in burqa? In the case of the Caucasus, there is more tradition than Islam.



          And where did you see the tradition here.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 14 November 2012 13: 53
            +1
            Quote: in stock
            And where did you see the traditions here

            And where did you see the burqa here ?? And in general, that the Caucasians in Moscow or at home go like this ???? Unlike the Arabs, who are at home without exception, and 90% go to Europeans in burqas !!!
            1. in reserve
              in reserve 14 November 2012 14: 45
              +1

              Yeraz
              Well, excuse me, of course, but you are very mistaken. The countries of North Africa and the countries of the Caucasus and Central Asia, Islam is very different. Where did you see that without exception all went in burqa?
              In the case of the Caucasus, more tradition than Islam.
              Just like in the Caucasus and in Russia, people do not always understand where it begins, and where traditions, and by the way, in many places, traditions contradict Islam, but people who do not know this do not know and the norms of the traditions of their people are taken for the tradition of Islam. Take the simplest example you yourself know how in the Caucasus everyone praises his nationality and considers it better than others. Although Islam rejects such a thing as nationality, we are all Muslim brothers (not an organization


              I understand you that you mean wearing a burqa as the national dress of Caucasian women, you contradict yourself or you simply don’t know the story or don’t remember what you wrote earlier.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 16 November 2012 10: 33
                +2
                Quote: in stock
                I understand that you mean wearing a burqa as the national dress of Caucasian women,

                This is what you mean by putting on my comment Where did you see that Caucasian women without exception go in burqa the national clothes of one of the Caucasian republics. The burqa is an Arab theme !!! Yes, in Baku all the polls were gone, but not in my area.
          2. Su24
            Su24 14 November 2012 18: 59
            -1
            And you want to scare us with this?
    2. skullcap
      skullcap 14 November 2012 17: 14
      +1
      baltika-18 Today, 10: 12
      ... What could be worse than the cry of a muezzin, Only a woman in a hijab
      ------------------------------------------
      I agree.
      At the same time, your expression reminded me of a teen anecdote from the past millennium:
      "What could be worse than a woman's hairy leg?" - "Women's hairy chest."
    3. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 14 November 2012 20: 34
      +2
      The slave trade, which still flourishes in the Caucasus ...
    4. Su24
      Su24 14 November 2012 23: 50
      0
      This is your problem. And the rest of us have a problem of unbelief, and therefore we are afraid of believers.
  8. virm
    virm 14 November 2012 10: 26
    +8
    Regarding the fact that in Europe there are not enough workers and it is necessary to import Asian Asians, this is a lie.
    1. European countries are small in territory. With ALREADY created infrastructure. They do not need to build roads, power lines, etc. in the jungle or in the tundra. Where labor is required in large quantities. In Europe, everything is already built.
    2. Next - the plants are almost completely automated and robotic.
    3. There are many people in Europe. In Germany - 80 (!) Million. At mercy equal to several of our regions.
    4. In the West. Millions of workers from Vost come to Europe. Of Europe.
    Other arguments can be made that show that there is no need for such an invasion of foreigners in Zap. Europe. But there is an invasion. So the reason is in another. Namely, in the policies pursued by the globalized elite. Which has long been non-national, not binding itself to any single state.
  9. SAVA555.IVANOV
    SAVA555.IVANOV 14 November 2012 10: 49
    +11
    It's time to create squads of crusaders !!!!! Otherwise, the "monkeys" who have not created anything and abandoned their states will destroy and destroy other countries !!!
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 14 November 2012 11: 45
      +3
      Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
      It's time to create squads of crusaders !!!!! Otherwise, the "monkeys" who have not created anything and abandoned their states will destroy and destroy other countries !!!

      Well, just don’t forget how these Crusades ended then, by Ottoman rule in half of Europe)))
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        SAVA555.IVANOV 14 November 2012 12: 03
        +1
        I agree, destroy Europe. But for you as Hitler it will not be enough of this, and even your spiritual leaders and sponsors will be in Nuremberg sitting on a bench with your head bowed)))))
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 November 2012 13: 56
          +1
          Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV

          I agree, destroy Europe. But for you as Hitler it will not be enough of this, and even your spiritual leaders and sponsors will be in Nuremberg sitting on a bench with your head bowed)))))

          why destroy? Slowly transforms into an Islamic state or with a great influence of Muslims.
          1. skullcap
            skullcap 14 November 2012 14: 07
            +4
            Yeraz (1) Today, 13: 56
            why destroy? Slowly transforms into an Islamic state or with a great influence of Muslims.
            -------------------------------------------------- ------------
            And you asked the Europeans?
            Do they need it?
            (Yes, and by immigrants, by the way?
            After all, it turns out that they will again find themselves in a impoverished state, from which they fled at the time).
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 16 November 2012 10: 35
              +3
              Quote: kosopuz
              And you asked the Europeans?
              Do they need it?

              Well, if migrants were unnecessary to them, would they close the border or not allow migrants to receive benefits, citizenship and all the rest. And migrants do not deliberately make this a natural process.
  10. biglow
    biglow 14 November 2012 11: 22
    +9
    Europe is at the beginning of the new dark centuries, when the white population will have to fight for their survival
    1. Leisure
      Leisure 14 November 2012 12: 58
      +2
      Yeah, gradually in Europe, the Nazis will come to power, and then begins ...
  11. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 14 November 2012 11: 32
    +4
    Oh Europe Europe wanted it so well that there would be multicultural cultures.
    But this cannot be - there must be a gap!
  12. aleksey
    aleksey 14 November 2012 11: 32
    +9
    Another title for the article "What we fought for, we ran into it" ..
    They are Christians only in name, it's funny to hear screams about the aging of the population, about the demographic crisis of the titular nations, about the dominance of the newcomer Islamic peoples .. I do not discuss the values ​​of Islam, but they have the birth of a child as a gift of God and they do it regardless of the circumstances, but nominal At the same time, “Christians” (and essentially atheists) are guided by the consumer basket.
    ..this is another fruit of liberalism and tolerance towards everything, and to oneself including when moral decay sets in, degradation of both the individual and society
    ... juvenile justice, and the legalization of abortion and euthanasia, and the promotion of "contemporary art", and godlessness, and open support of sodomites and perverts ... and outwardly clean, well-fed, comfortable Europe is no better in the moral sense (even worse) the "hordes" of Muslims that flood it. They preserve and honor their values ​​and way of life ..
    and don’t have to look for reasons somewhere and shift to someone — this is the destiny of the weak.
    This also applies to Russia,
    1. Pripyatchanin
      Pripyatchanin 14 November 2012 14: 15
      +1
      They brought internationalism (which functioned quite normally under the USSR) to insanity. For example, if a Belgian touches a Moroccan-ay-ay-ay, it’s not good, but if on the contrary, nothing will happen to him.
  13. sq
    sq 14 November 2012 11: 34
    +4
    Drowning ships, closing borders is stupid.
    IT IS NECESSARY TO REPRODUCE !!!!!!!
    1. virm
      virm 14 November 2012 13: 23
      +6
      Not stupid. It is necessary to sink ships and close the borders. And deport already arrived. And deprive them of their rights and livelihoods. And encourage to return to their homeland. His land must be cleared of infection.
      It is also necessary to multiply, of course. But how, do this if strangers occupy your land? I’m not speaking applied). But in the conceptual.
  14. Murai
    Murai 14 November 2012 12: 38
    +4
    Archpriest Dimitry Smirnov about the future of Europe and Russia

    1. in reserve
      in reserve 14 November 2012 15: 33
      +1


      This is the choice of Russia
  15. Cadets
    Cadets 14 November 2012 14: 21
    +2
    November 13, 2012

    The decision of the Brussels authorities to install by the upcoming Christmas on the central square of the capital the Grand Dance, instead of a traditional Christmas tree, the electronic installation provoked a heated discussion in the Belgian social networks, Interfax reports.

    The debate was fueled by the comment of Bianca Debats, a member of the city council, who explained such a choice "for religious reasons": supposedly the tree as a symbol of Christian Christmas can hurt the feelings of representatives of other religions.

    It was for these considerations of delicacy, she said, that the traditional Brussels Christmas Market was recently renamed Winter Pleasures.

    "Will they soon sprinkle sand on the Grand Dance and bring camels there?" - bloggers ironically, many of whom are calling for a boycott of "Winter Pleasures" and demanding the preservation of the natural Christmas tree "in the name of respect for our values ​​and traditions." Some offer to gather in the square on December 8 and bring their own trees there.

    "And what will follow now?" Asks one of the bloggers. "Will the eggs be canceled for Easter because they are a reminder of the Resurrection?"
    rusk.ru/newsdata.php?idar=57896 ¶
  16. Volozhanin
    Volozhanin 14 November 2012 15: 01
    +1
    well, Europe, choose politicians who advocate a WHITE REVIVAL, or start teaching the Quran slowly on the future. And we, too, will not be able to stay away.
    1. mda
      mda 14 November 2012 19: 23
      +1
      Quote: Volozhanin
      well, Europe, choose politicians who advocate a WHITE REVIVAL, or start teaching the Quran slowly on the future. And we, too, will not be able to stay away.

      Antwerp are already nationalists. If they come to power in the country, then all Muslims will be evicted from Belgium.
  17. I. Brovkin
    I. Brovkin 14 November 2012 15: 19
    +3
    Sinking ships is, of course, too much, but a kick in the ass is just right. And in relation to Russia, it is not necessary to distribute Russian citizenship to "everyone" to the left and to the right, and not even to us HANA.
    1. MG42
      MG42 14 November 2012 18: 33
      +4
      Quote: I. Brovkin
      Sinking ships is of course overkill

      Why busting, just what the doctor ordered, as they say, to flood a couple, the rest will be disgraceful am It amazes me that they also give out 200 euros for the track back. You just need a kick in the ass back to Africa on a palm tree that has already sailed!
  18. Su24
    Su24 14 November 2012 19: 07
    +1
    I am so touched by these European fears. Just look:

    "Imagine Belgium is a Christian country"

    Yeah, very Christian. Was, 1000 years ago.

    Further. How do these things relate to each other:


    "Belgium is a very tolerant and moderate country in terms of religiosity."

    "And I don't think that for Belgium in general, questions of faith as such are over-topical."

    And this:

    "Would you like to be woken up at five in the morning by the voice of not your prayer or your religion?"

    Is Belgium so tolerant or not? Are questions of faith relevant or not?
    In my opinion, all their tolerance is that they are normal towards a lack of faith, but if any social group openly declares their religious affiliation, then tolerance ends.

    In general, I do not see any problem in the Islamization of Europe, it will even benefit her, they may remember who these real men and women are, they will again start stable families. Maybe it will save Europe in due time.
    1. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 14 November 2012 20: 43
      +1
      For me it’s better to be a Muslim than a transvestite, a prostitute or a drug addict with Christian views.
      1. Su24
        Su24 14 November 2012 23: 51
        0
        Only Christian they can no longer be.
  19. arkady149
    arkady149 15 November 2012 09: 52
    +1
    Summarizing the above read. So cutlets separately, flies separately. That is, since you live in a secular state, you do not stick out your religious ritual, which has little in common with Faith, especially if it contradicts the cultural tradition of the majority, historically living on this (that) land. Do not wake the beast sleeping in each of us. The world is already fragile.
  20. rugby1997
    rugby1997 15 November 2012 15: 21
    0
    This full kapets came to Belgium and all of Europe: ((