Ukrainian tanks "Abrams" will be deprived of the legendary uranium armor

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Ukrainian tanks "Abrams" will be deprived of the legendary uranium armor

Remember how even before all these events taking place today in Ukraine, they talked and argued a lot about how effective the Javelin is and whether our advanced T-90 will defeat its American colleague in the face of tank "Abrams" in a hypothetical conflict. They talked, argued, but did not seriously think that someday these arguments would flow from theory into practice.

The special operation turned it all into reality. First, the Javelins were handed over to Kyiv, and now the turn has come to the Abrams. At first, there was no information about which modification of this machine the United States would decide to transfer to its wards. However, it soon became clear that the M1A2 tank was chosen for deliveries, which would be deprived of all equipment of secrecy. But the matter is not limited to them, since the tanks will also not have standard armor based on depleted uranium.



Uranus in three generations


In general, if we talk about weapon, and in particular about tanks, you can notice the following trend: many vehicles become world famous not for the totality of some characteristics, but because of individual qualities. For example, the French "Leclerc" is famous for its electronics, which gave rise to many myths around it. And our T-72 is considered a “Kalashnikov assault rifle” on tracks for its cheapness, prevalence and some unpretentiousness in operation.

As for the American Abrams, here at the forefront, of course, is its armor, made using elements based on depleted uranium. This feature of the tank gave rise to many myths and legends, but in general it is worth recognizing that the vehicle’s security is decent, and this cannot be denied. However, uranium in the armor did not appear immediately.

The original version of the Abrams under the M1 index, put into service in 1980 and equipped with a 105-mm rifled gun, did not have this heavy metal "on board". Its protection as a whole did not exceed that of late Soviet tanks and did not represent anything radical. However, there was no uranium in the M1984A1 tank adopted in 1, although its durability was strengthened due to increased armor dimensions and other measures.

The first official appearance of the Abrams with uranium armor took place in 1988, when the M1A1HA tank (HA - Heavy Armor, translated as "Heavy Armor") was adopted by the US Army. This vehicle was equipped with a new armor using depleted uranium, which, given subsequent developments, is considered to be the first generation.

M1A1HA (Heavy Armor)
M1A1HA (Heavy Armor)

There is simply no publicly available data on the equivalents of the resistance of this armor in the public domain. Only approximate data are given, which are sometimes flavored with excessive fantasies of the authors who provided them. But with some degree of certainty, we can say that the forehead of the turret of this version of the tank could withstand the hit of most serial Soviet sub-caliber and cumulative projectiles, including guided missiles. Although the frontal part of the hull produced much more modest results.

Despite various experiments with the M1A1 and M1A1HA, the second generation of uranium armor was already registered in full and in full series on the M1A2, which was put into service in 1992. By the way, it looks like Kyiv will receive it, however, in a very truncated version.

M1A2
M1A2

Uranium armor of the second generation gave and gives better results than its predecessor. Here, again, by the most protected place in the face of the tower, we can say that this machine can be a serious adversary for our weapons. Unless such a monster as "Cornet" can confidently compete with the "American".

The third generation of uranium armor since 1999 has become the prerogative of the M1A2 SEP tanks (System Enhancement Package - “Improved Systems Package”) and its further modifications. There, as they say, everything is completely thick. There is simply no certainty that it will be possible to defeat these machines head-on with something. And this is by no means a belittling of the capabilities of our weapons - any other country will also have problems with this.

M1A2SEP
M1A2SEP

Although, by the way, in the latest modifications of the Abrams, the Americans seem to have begun to abandon uranium armor, replacing it with a more efficient and safer one.

How many does the US have?


The United States of America, unlike the Soviet Union, did not save up giant hordes of tanks, because they did not need to. However, "Abramsov" managed to blind in sufficient quantities.

Speaking specifically about today, it will be interesting to look at The Military Balance magazine for 2022, where there is relatively fresh, although far from complete, data on US weapons.

So. M1A1 tanks in the SA modification (translated as “Situational Awareness”), there are about 650 units in service. These vehicles underwent a deep modernization, which concerned both electronics and security - they installed second-generation uranium armor packages.

There are also about 1600 M1A2 SEP v.2 units and about 390 M1A2 SEP v.3 units with third-generation armor.

More than 3450 uranium M1A2 and M1A1, for the most part, have undergone various modifications with the introduction of the mentioned armor, are in storage.

Tanks "Abrams" and other armored vehicles in storage. California.
Tanks "Abrams" and other armored vehicles in storage. California

The reserve is very impressive - as they say, it will be enough for more than one war. And nothing seems to prevent us from withdrawing 31 tanks from mothballing, bringing them into working condition, removing the "secret" equipment and sending it to Kyiv. But at the time of writing this material, they still cannot decide on the delivery time. They say that there is a chance that they will not have time to transfer them by the spring of this year. And recently there were rumors that deliveries could generally move from spring closer to summer.

The fact is that the preparation process is not limited to the repair and re-equipment of tanks with any electronics. The vehicles will also need to change their armor, removing uranium packages from it and replacing it with simpler counterparts.

Uranus - only for yourself


The Abrams itself is far from a tank for internal use. For example, Egypt has a license for its production. The vehicles are also in service with Iraq, Kuwait, Morocco, Australia and Saudi Arabia. Poland will soon join the list. However, none of these countries has even one tank equipped with armor based on depleted uranium.

They will not be in Ukraine either, since tanks ready for transfer will be considered export copies, the strictest ban on uranium in the armor of which is imposed. However, here it is clear even without prohibitions: the United States will never decide to send full-fledged vehicles in terms of booking to a warring country, since at least one tank will definitely be in the hands of the enemy - in this case, in the hands of our military - and there until all American secrets are declassified tank building nearby.

Well, in general, of course, serious restrictions exist both because of various kinds of regulations on the export of weapons, and for reasons of security and secrecy. With the latter circumstance, by the way, the Americans have very strict affairs.

Egyptian "Abrams"
Egyptian "Abrams"

For example, in one of the documents concerning the Abrams uranium armor, there are clear rules on what to do in case of damage to the armor protection of the tank, if a secret filler is visible in the hole.

A specially authorized person with appropriate access - although in combat conditions he can probably be replaced by tankers - should quickly hide the hole from his eyes with all the available means at hand. Further, he must promptly organize measures to seal the gap with a metal sheet and send the machine to a repair company or repair base.

Based on all these conditions, export tanks are equipped exclusively with DU-free armor under the abbreviation EAP (Export Armor Package), which does not contain uranium and is built according to other principles. Perhaps we are talking about non-explosive reactive armor (NERA), which we call "semi-active", ceramics and high-hard inserts made of steel and other materials.

There are at least two or even three variants of EAP armor, which differ both in their composition and durability. But in general, its characteristics are lower than those of a full-fledged one based on uranium. This was demonstrated by the Swedes who tested the M1A2 Abrams with export armor. According to them, the maximum resistance in the frontal projection of the tank was about 600 mm from sub-caliber and about 900 mm from HEAT shells. That is, she could not even exceed the performance of late Soviet tanks, such as the T-80U.

Perhaps it is with such a reservation that the M1A2 will go to Ukraine. Although it cannot be ruled out that they can shove something fresher. But in general, they, of course, will not become invulnerable from this. There is every reason to be sure that at least the Kornet ATGM will deliver goods to the forehead of the overseas prince with all the consequences.

Where will the tanks come from?


In the course of preparation for shipment abroad, tanks removed from storage undergo a complex preparation procedure, which, in addition to putting the vehicles in order and refining them, includes opening niches with armored uranium filler, cutting it off from its mounts and subsequent evacuation from the tank structure. Next, of course, they put another filler, which does not contain uranium, and brew everything back.

Only accredited enterprises with experience in handling uranium components can engage in these activities. For example, for the Abrams intended for Poland, for a long time they tried to find a plant that could take responsibility for all these cases. At least three applications were considered, but none were accepted.


At the moment, only one General Dynamics plant in Lima, Ohio, can convert tanks in the United States. And its maximum productivity is 12 tanks per month, including all aspects of modernization and "downgrade". It seems to be decent capacity - in more than two months it is possible to stick 31 cars for Ukraine and send them to the front. However, the enterprise has enough customers: in parallel, it carries out work on orders from Abramsov for Poland and Taiwan.

That is, the plant is already literally packed to capacity. The Poles, for example, even before all this hysteria with the sending of American vehicles to the NVO zone, were told that the maximum they could count on was 28 tanks per year. And then Ukraine intervened, so it becomes clear why the United States is delaying deliveries to Kyiv almost until the summer.

So either they will tell Taiwan and Poland to wait and transfer all the forces of the plant to the conversion of tanks for the Ukrainians, or they will start work in parallel along three lines, which will postpone the deadlines for an indefinite time.

Of course, there is also a third option, which is to buy ready-made export vehicles from one of the countries. However, the list of these countries does not particularly inspire confidence, as even the Western press writes about. There are big doubts that Saudi Arabia or even Egypt will be going to completely ruin relations with Moscow by handing over such weapons to Ukraine.

However, where they will take it from is just speculation. They will be handed over to Ukraine in any case, even in the summer, even in the spring. However, the fact that some kind of "stubs" will go to the front, devoid of not only powerful armor, but, most likely, such gizmos as combat information and control systems (suitable for the parameter "secret equipment to be removed") inspires encouragement and confidence in their own weapons, to which such "gifts" are quite tough. In addition, do not forget that the side projections of the Abrams are protected much worse than the frontal ones, and now it flies on the sides more often than on the forehead. Well, artillery with mines does not need to be pushed into the background either.
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  1. +3
    29 January 2023 04: 53
    In the course of preparation for shipment abroad, tanks removed from storage undergo a complex preparation procedure, which, in addition to putting the vehicles in order and refining them, includes opening niches with armored uranium filler, cutting it off from its mounts and subsequent evacuation from the tank structure. Next, of course, they put another filler, which does not contain uranium, and brew everything back.

    It looks like it will be cheaper to make a new tank.
    1. +6
      29 January 2023 20: 19
      I assume that these niches are designed to replace panels.
    2. +1
      29 January 2023 22: 38
      Perhaps. But the Detroit tank arsenal for the production of Abrams has long been mothballed. It is unlikely that it will be reopened because of the small batch of tanks for Ukraine.
      1. +1
        30 January 2023 10: 07
        This is the restoration of competence before the launch of ABRAMS X, the hard workers will practice, and then Abrams X will go into the series
  2. +20
    29 January 2023 05: 14
    War is a path of deceit, these are all fairy tales for the "gullible spectator". As we can see, the narrative (thesis) that the United States only recycles old rubbish turned out to be false. Towers are generally easy to fool...
    1. +1
      29 January 2023 17: 53
      The trick is that the towers are happy to deceive themselves. Not only the commentators of this site prefer rose-colored glasses...
      1. +5
        30 January 2023 08: 20
        Quote: Skeptik3
        .... happy to deceive themselves. Not only the commentators of this site prefer rose-colored glasses...

        Uranium armor on Abrams tanks? Tanks from the USA to Ukraine? How interesting! And Russia continues to be the largest supplier of uranium to the United States, ranking first among all suppliers! Sanctions speak! Is Russia at war with the West, supplying it with energy resources, grain, uranium, etc.? An explosion of brains in a patriotic frenzy.
        In 2020, Russia and the United States extended until 2040 an agreement to suspend the anti-dumping investigation (SPAR) regarding the supply of Russian uranium, originally concluded in 1992 (the Gore-Chernomyrdin criminal deal to rob Russia).
        Putin is not in the know? Are they cheating? Oh no no no! What a trouble!
        1. +2
          30 January 2023 10: 54
          The Gore-Chernomyrdin deal was not about uranium, but about plutonium. It has not been extended, but has sunk into oblivion a long time ago. Rosatom supplies fuel for nuclear power plants in the United States.
          She is not the main supplier, somewhere up to 30 percent, the rest are from Europe themselves.
          The commission has nothing to investigate (they are just sawing money). The deal was beneficial to both parties.
          Well, according to the Abrams. Armor with uranium is primarily dangerous for the crews themselves. After the war in Iraq, a lot of tankers who served and fought on this technique got acquainted with oncology, which is why many of these tanks were put away for storage. Compensation payments on this occasion are very large. Therefore, later the question arose of removing this armor from tanks and replacing it with something else.
          Well, our Foreign Ministry warned the Americans that equipment with such armor would be regarded as a “dirty” nuclear bomb with subsequent return flow. Hence, in addition, the actions of the Americans to confiscate such armor.
          1. -1
            30 January 2023 11: 59
            Well, a warning to the Americans passed through our Foreign Ministry

            Since we have such a powerful Foreign Ministry, let it give a warning not to supply tanks at all. Why be petty?
            1. 0
              30 January 2023 12: 29
              What do you not understand? But the Americans, based on the nature of Putin, understood everything very well. Ministry of Foreign Affairs Ministry of Foreign Affairs and what is really there in the warning will not tell us. But since the armor is removed, it means the message has reached.
              Moreover, it is not secret, our one Abrams with such armor (a wrecked tank - remnants) was dragged from Iraq at one time. So their armor is not a secret. Yes, and our new ATGM missiles pierce them in the forehead. Therefore, they are now trying to hang additional armor on the forehead and sides and acquire from the Israelis the means of active protection against such missiles. The right weight will be much more than 70 tons. The deterioration of maneuverability and patency is guaranteed.
              1. 0
                30 January 2023 13: 24
                You state your conjectures.
                From open sources it is known that the export of uranium armor from the United States is limited. It is also known that the restriction on the export of secret technologies is a standard world practice. Export models of weapons almost always differ from models for their own aircraft.
                No need to invent conspiracy explanations where obvious enough.
          2. 0
            30 January 2023 16: 13
            Quote: svoroponov
            The Gore-Chernomyrdin deal was not about uranium, but about plutonium. It has not been extended, but has sunk into oblivion a long time ago. Rosatom supplies fuel for nuclear power plants in the United States.
            She is not the main supplier, somewhere up to 30 percent, the rest are from Europe themselves.
            The commission has nothing to investigate (they are just sawing money). The deal was beneficial to both parties.
            Well, according to the Abrams. Armor with uranium is primarily dangerous for the crews themselves. After the war in Iraq, a lot of tankers who served and fought on this technique got acquainted with oncology, which is why many of these tanks were put away for storage. Compensation payments on this occasion are very large. Therefore, later the question arose of removing this armor from tanks and replacing it with something else.
            Well, our Foreign Ministry warned the Americans that equipment with such armor would be regarded as a “dirty” nuclear bomb with subsequent return flow. Hence, in addition, the actions of the Americans to confiscate such armor.

            Actually, the statement was not about armor, but about shells with a uranium core. For the rest, I agree with you.
  3. +23
    29 January 2023 05: 17
    . And recently there were rumors that deliveries could generally move from spring closer to summer.

    Do not entertain yourself with illusions.
    The Chief of Staff of the Pentagon says that the United States is ready for a direct confrontation with Russia.
    So fights with Abrams of various modifications are definitely ahead of us.
    You can't take the word of the official statements of the United States ... they lie to everyone in plain text.
    It's bad that Gerasimov never figured out how to stop the supply of heavy weapons to NATO on the battlefield. recourse
    1. +9
      29 January 2023 06: 21
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It's bad that Gerasimov never figured out how to stop the supply of heavy weapons to NATO on the battlefield.

      If there are no ideas, let them get them on Wikipedia, in the article Operation Rail War.
      During the operation, about 215 thousand rails were blown up, a significant number of trains were destroyed (only by Belarusian partisans - 836 trains and 3 armored trains), bridges and station structures were blown up. Particularly significant destruction was carried out in the areas Polotsk - Molodechno, Minsk - Bobruisk, Luninets - Kalinkovichi and Mogilev - Zhlobin. By autumn, enemy operational transport had been cut by 40 percent. On some railways, traffic was delayed for 3-15 days, and the highways Mogilev - Krichev, Polotsk - Dvinsk, Mogilev - Zhlobin did not work throughout August. To restore the destroyed railway tracks, the enemy was forced to turn the double-track sections into single-track sections, weld undermined rails, dismantle individual sections, deliver the missing rails from Poland and Germany, which further increased the intensity of transportation. The German command was forced to use 5000 platforms and hundreds of locomotives to transport rails, and to attract additional forces to protect the railways.

      As L. M. Kaganovich told one journalist in the mid-80s,
      Nothing was impossible under Stalin

      And here, from the Right-Bank Ukraine, Western weapons have been pouring into the Left-Bank Ukraine for almost a year, but they don’t know how to stop this flow.
      1. +16
        29 January 2023 07: 06
        Quote: Comrade
        As L. M. Kaganovich told one journalist in the mid-80s,
        Nothing was impossible under Stalin

        Only then, tens of thousands of partisans operated behind German lines, using penny means, and the Germans were on foreign territory. But even so, they successfully supplied their troops.
        1. +4
          29 January 2023 16: 42
          That's right, and now hundreds of bourgeois are operating in our rear. One Alekperov with Lukoil is enough to screw up the war.
        2. -1
          30 January 2023 01: 56
          [/ quote] Only then, tens of thousands of partisans operated behind German lines, who used penny means, and the Germans were on foreign territory. [quote]

          But instead of partisans, rockets will not work? At least once every 3 days to hammer in different areas and there will not be enough teams for recovery. But probably along these routes some cargoes of some interested persons go to the west ... Therefore, no .....
          1. +2
            30 January 2023 08: 41
            Everything is much easier. There are not so many missiles.
      2. +10
        29 January 2023 09: 55
        To restore the canvas - a couple of hours of time. Bridge - a couple of days - if small, in one span. And given the quality with which the bridges were made in the USSR, in order to destroy it, it will take about a dozen KR. Among other things, I advise you to look at the map - how extensive is the railway network in Western Ukraine. And, by the way, neither Abrams nor Leopard will move along the railway, because their mass exceeds the maximum carrying capacity of the railway platforms.
        1. +10
          29 January 2023 13: 35
          Something the Crimean bridge was not restored in a couple of hours.
          The carrying capacity of railway platforms is 75 tons.
          1. +5
            29 January 2023 15: 46
            Quote: Jager
            The carrying capacity of railway platforms is 75 tons.

            I sprinkle ashes on my head and I admit that you are right.
            But I did not write about the bridge about a couple of hours, I wrote about the destroyed railway track. . And, by the way, for how long was the traffic on the Crimean bridge completely stopped?
        2. +4
          29 January 2023 15: 38
          Quote: Felix
          To restore the canvas - a couple of hours of time. Bridge - a couple of days - if small, in one span.

          In the spring of last year, in a panic, the Ukrainians blew up their bridge near Kyiv. Passed one flight.
          I recently watched the official video, restoration work is in full swing, they plan to finish it at the end of May.
          Total - more than a year for repairs, and you say, "a couple of days."
        3. +3
          29 January 2023 17: 16
          Quote: Felix
          given the quality with which bridges were made in the USSR, in order to destroy it, it will take a dozen CR

          And why be surprised when even the USSR made a fortress out of the Ukrainian SSR in terms of infrastructure and its protection. For this reason (and thanks to the massive help of European, especially German power engineers), even thousands of Tehrans cannot turn off the light for Ukrainians, at least for a long time. The same feature of the electricity distribution infrastructure in Germany. Then there is the branching and quality of important railway and road junctions. And in the end, air defense, which was not only the most powerful in the USSR, but also remained to some extent, at least in terms of competence, at a high level, even after the losses of the first weeks, which allowed the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with outside help, first by supplying Soviet systems, then Western ones, first to plug holes in important areas, and then completely create an echeloned one, with a common information field, an air defense BIUS. The Russian Aerospace Forces no longer fly over the front line, and the percentage of UAV and missile intercepts is growing. Without aviation with FABs, without massive bombing with the participation of at least a hundred bombers, it is impossible to loosen the brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and logistics, radar and air defense memory for a serious offensive. But the bombers need information and safe skies, or JDAMs, the most effective price-to-exhaust weapon at the moment. The cost of 500kg JDAMa is 100 times lower than a similar warhead missile. Interestingly, can the Russian army use GPS for their own JIDAMs? Or without GLONASS in any way? After all, the Air Force is not hills with Rooks and helicopters with thin NURSs somewhere, it is actually the delivery of warheads of 100 kg and above for targets for which artillery and MLRS are not enough, especially 250 kg and above, and without these capabilities it is seriously impossible to fight. It is obvious that the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will use JDAM in conjunction with the MiG 29, at least they already use several NATO missiles in this way, and the supply of JDAM was announced a long time ago. JDAM allows you to use heavy buns on the one hand safely for a bomber, which will turn back 100 km from the target, and it pleases assault formations that stumble upon powerful fortified areas and heavy equipment formations and can accurately deliver warheads of 1 kg, or even 3 kg, up to 250-1000 m, depending on what they are attacking. And now, looking at Soledar and Bakhmut-Artemovsk, at the promotion tactics, at the full positive military correspondents like Podolyaki, I honestly wonder, are they out of their mind? So you can't move on? Without the massive support of the Air Force, a successful offensive will not work, but it has always been everywhere until now with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and I can’t imagine how Gerasimov scratches his head now when he thinks about an offensive.
        4. +1
          29 January 2023 18: 14
          Bridge for a couple of days, if small ...
          It is clear that the Crimean bridge is large, but has not yet been fully restored, there are some restrictions on heavy trucks, in Krasnodar, at the traffic police post, the scoreboard is regularly displayed that traffic from so many to so many is closed due to work.
          And if a couple of times a week, on the same bridge in xx'land, they fly in, will they quickly restore at least one collapsed span? It seems to me (at least cross yourself), it’s not about the strength of bridges, but about the strength of certain “political subtleties” ...
        5. +2
          29 January 2023 22: 29
          Come on, six axle platforms have a load capacity of 120 tons, eight axles with an intermediate swivel bogie 240 tons
        6. 0
          29 January 2023 23: 50
          Quote: Felix
          To restore the canvas - a couple of hours of time. Bridge - a couple of days - if small, in one span.

          And what about the fixed points of "changing shoes", with echelons of ammunition?
          1. +2
            30 January 2023 17: 36
            the infrastructure itself also does not make much sense to spread, under the USSR the standard was - every 100 km - a station with a locomotive depot and an equipment point. There are a couple of hundred of them in Ukraine. The geranium building of the depot cannot be destroyed, you need an Iskander or a couple of Calibers. Plus, Caliber for the fuel depot, and Caliber for the electrical centralization post. In total, about 1000 missiles are needed at a time in order to completely paralyze the road network for a week. And in a week - to start reconnaissance - what thread the enemy will collect for delivery.
        7. 0
          31 January 2023 15: 09
          Well, yes, that's why hundreds of bridges from the times of the USSR in the Primorsky Territory cannot be restored. "Shift right". Isn't it funny for you to talk like that when we can't do elementary tasks of maintaining the country's infrastructure?
          1. 0
            31 January 2023 16: 04
            Are these 149 bridges closed to traffic? And what did Kozhemyako do to repair them? Did you write a letter?
      3. +11
        29 January 2023 10: 29
        You did not take into account one nuance. The WWII partisans fought on their own land and relied on the support of their people.
        1. +5
          29 January 2023 20: 51
          And how was this help expressed in the explosion of bridges and railway tracks? Did the peasants cook hexogen on fires or did they go out to steal rails on subbotniks?
          And since 1942, the General Staff and the NKVD have taken up this matter from Moscow. The main thing is to establish supplies. And things went well, although not very famously.
          And these km and things MOSTOK were destroyed by them. And a bearded grandfather with a karamultuk and a woman in a checkered scarf with a pitchfork are for posters.
          Py.Sy. In 1942, after the Frunze Academy, in the rear of the Germans in the Bryansk region, and in 1942-43, he fought there as deputy commander of a partisan brigade for reconnaissance and sabotage, and after the death of the commander, he himself commanded this brigade until joining the Red Army.
          He told a lot.
          So I know what I'm writing.
          1. +3
            29 January 2023 20: 57
            I agree with everything you write.
            For the guerrillas, the local population is a huge network of informants and hiding places. And for the enemy, these are other people's eyes and ears at every turn and the threat of attack from every corner. I would not underestimate the benefit of the population for professional saboteurs.
      4. 0
        29 January 2023 11: 56
        Quote: Comrade
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        It's bad that Gerasimov never figured out how to stop the supply of heavy weapons to NATO on the battlefield.

        If there are no ideas, let them get them on Wikipedia, in the article Operation Rail War.
        During the operation, about 215 thousand rails were blown up, a significant number of trains were destroyed (only by Belarusian partisans - 836 trains and 3 armored trains), bridges and station structures were blown up. Particularly significant destruction was carried out in the areas Polotsk - Molodechno, Minsk - Bobruisk, Luninets - Kalinkovichi and Mogilev - Zhlobin. By autumn, enemy operational transport had been cut by 40 percent. On some railways, traffic was delayed for 3-15 days, and the highways Mogilev - Krichev, Polotsk - Dvinsk, Mogilev - Zhlobin did not work throughout August. To restore the destroyed railway tracks, the enemy was forced to turn the double-track sections into single-track sections, weld undermined rails, dismantle individual sections, deliver the missing rails from Poland and Germany, which further increased the intensity of transportation. The German command was forced to use 5000 platforms and hundreds of locomotives to transport rails, and to attract additional forces to protect the railways.

        As L. M. Kaganovich told one journalist in the mid-80s,
        Nothing was impossible under Stalin

        And here, from the Right-Bank Ukraine, Western weapons have been pouring into the Left-Bank Ukraine for almost a year, but they don’t know how to stop this flow.

        There, the transfer of Ukrainian troops along the front line is going smoothly.
    2. 0
      29 January 2023 12: 03
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      . And recently there were rumors that deliveries could generally move from spring closer to summer.

      Do not entertain yourself with illusions.
      The Chief of Staff of the Pentagon says that the United States is ready for a direct confrontation with Russia.
      So fights with Abrams of various modifications are definitely ahead of us.
      You can't take the word of the official statements of the United States ... they lie to everyone in plain text.
      It's bad that Gerasimov never figured out how to stop the supply of heavy weapons to NATO on the battlefield. recourse

      And what should you think about when everything is known for a long time?
      This is taught in schools and academies.
      Let him study the experience of other armies, in particular the US Army.
      I think Gerasimov knows everything perfectly.
      It's not about inventing, but about the lack of a political solution.
      Apparently someone's private interests outweigh the state.
      Maybe that's why the guarantor said that "we haven't started yet"?
      Maybe it's time to start?
      1. +3
        29 January 2023 16: 45
        what does somebody mean? Half of Ukraine belongs to who knows, and as it turns out, the ears of the right scattered ones stick out almost everywhere.
      2. -1
        29 January 2023 17: 58
        Maybe it's time to realize that there is nothing to start with. And statements about a non-existent military force are just lies.
    3. 0
      29 January 2023 17: 56
      US official statements are confirmed by practice. Unlike... Isn't it?
    4. 0
      29 January 2023 18: 14
      It’s bad that Gerasimov didn’t figure out how to make our tanks stronger! And it’s funny and I want to cry
    5. 0
      30 January 2023 11: 33
      He also stated that only if the borders of any of the NATO countries are violated. This is how it was and is in their Charter. They pulled up equipment and manpower as a rapid reaction force to the borders of Russia. In total, about 40 thousand (in total) people along the border of Russia and Belarus. There are especially many of them in the Tribaltic, due to the small number of armies of these satellites and in Poland now (in general, these countries themselves asked them to be occupied by the Americans and other military wickedness from the side). Placed on the territories of former military units and airfields. The targets are all stationary with known coordinates. Nothing new has been built. What is and has been since the times of the USSR has been rebuilt and strengthened. They are really afraid of us, especially Poland and Tribaltika.
    6. 0
      30 January 2023 12: 37
      He is always ready for war, sitting with the president in an anti-nuclear bunker. Well, then what? You won't stay there for a long time, well, a year. What's next ? America will never rise again after such a war. But people all over the earth, who will survive, along the remnants of this state in the form of various bases, without a metropolis, will be trampled to the fullest. Yes, and the remnants of the population of the United States itself will pay tribute to those who allowed this. If you don't hang him right away, you'll have to hide for the rest of your life. Not for them so their relatives and relatives. And now it will be difficult for them to hide anywhere.
  4. +16
    29 January 2023 06: 16
    Sivkov, in one of his last broadcasts, said that it was impossible to allow mass deliveries of these machines to the front. There is no need to console yourself with the hope that everything will stop at 31 tanks. Russia must complete the NWO as soon as possible. To do this, first of all, the leadership of the Russian Federation must stop comforting itself with the illusion of agreements and something will be resolved by itself. The main message in sending these tanks is that the West is set on a military solution to the problem, not a political one.
    1. 0
      29 January 2023 07: 59
      Quote: Glock-17
      The West is set on a military solution to the problem,

      And without our victory, the problem will not be solved .... And with the victory, I'm afraid we will not have time ....
      1. 0
        29 January 2023 18: 01
        Do you think that if Russia wins in Ukraine, the West will do nothing?
        I remind you that before the start of the NWO, some people thought the same way ... With well-known consequences.
        1. 0
          30 January 2023 00: 13
          Quote: Skeptik3
          Do you think that if Russia wins in Ukraine, the West will do nothing?

          It depends on how the Russian Federation achieves this victory ...
          1. 0
            30 January 2023 08: 44
            Regardless of how the Russian Federation tries to win, the West will respond decisively and proportionately.
            This is what should be taken into account when planning military operations. And not from pink fantasies that the enemy will fold his arms and drop his legs.
        2. 0
          30 January 2023 12: 51
          Well, we won and went to the borders with NATO. Well, what will this organization and the countries of Europe do next?
          Will they continue to fight? Knowing that the war will very much affect their territories and it is likely that it will be nuclear?. It's interesting to watch on TV what and where somewhere out there. And if you blaze, then this is somewhat different. Kvropa is densely populated. Losses will be colossal and glad of what?
          After all, why are all Americans called? That's right, if the war is in the US plans, then let the Americans themselves fight. Do you think Americans want to fight?. If the Europeans do not support them, then the Yankees will simply board ships and planes and fade away or force the Europeans to fight by any means. So if Russia wins, they will at least try to make peace. Or it will be - I don’t know and I don’t want to know. Just coexistence for a while. And then life will take its toll. It's just that even because of the resources, they will begin to put up.
          1. 0
            30 January 2023 13: 31
            You repeat over and over again the Kremlin mantras that the enemy will fold his arms and dangle his legs.
            How many more times do Russians have to get hit by an impudent red face on the LBS in Ukraine, so that it begins to dawn on them that they really got the developed part of our world with their behavior and this very part now intends to beat the upstart with the whole team until he gets away to yourself home for good for health?
            1. -1
              30 January 2023 19: 36
              Hahol sholi? Get out of here, you restless!
              1. -1
                30 January 2023 21: 00
                And you, instead of throwing unfounded accusations, try to argue in favor of the thesis that the enemy will stop resistance if the RF Armed Forces reach the Polish border?
                So far, you are only labeling and threatening to complain. Some kindergarten.
    2. 0
      29 January 2023 09: 10
      It is a pity that the top leadership of the country and the leadership of the General Staff do not listen to Sivkov and Artamonov
      1. +3
        29 January 2023 18: 02
        The General Staff has nothing more to do than listen to couch dreamers.
    3. +5
      29 January 2023 18: 18
      I don’t know the affairs in the RA, but I was always sure that our Army would protect us! In the light of recent actions, there are a million doubts
  5. +8
    29 January 2023 06: 16
    Please explain to me how uranium is included in the armor? The author did not touch this in any way. Are these overhead elements, inside the combined package or in some other way? Thank you!
    1. +2
      29 January 2023 06: 42
      Please explain to me how uranium is included in the armor? The author did not touch this in any way. Are these overhead elements, inside the combined package or in some other way?

      Read carefully:
      There is simply no publicly available data on the equivalents of the resistance of this armor in the public domain.

      in one of the documents relating to the uranium armor of the Abrams, there are clear rules for what to do in case of damage to the armor protection of the tank, if a secret filler is visible in the hole.

      A specially authorized person with appropriate access - although in combat conditions he can probably be replaced by tankers - should quickly hide the hole from his eyes with all the available means at hand. Further, he must promptly organize measures to seal the gap with a metal sheet and send the machine to a repair company or repair base.

      Based on the article, as well as, in fact, other open sources, it is clear that the data on the specific armor of the tank are classified. Both the composition of the "uranium" armor inserts, and the exact location of such elements. Accordingly, the author could not write this: there is no such information.
      1. +2
        29 January 2023 07: 48
        Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
        Based on the article, as well as, in fact, other open sources, it is clear that the data on the specific armor of the tank are classified.

        Rushing about with this secrecy like a dog with a bone ... The effect of billiard balls ...
        What if uranium is replaced by tungsten?
        1. +8
          29 January 2023 09: 00
          Quote: ROSS 42
          What if uranium is replaced by tungsten?

          Quote: ROSS 42
          What if uranium is replaced by tungsten?

          Tungsten costs money, and is quite rare. Depleted uranium is essentially waste after uranium enrichment. After the removal of uranium-235, uranium-238 "piece of iron" remains. Dense and heavy piece of iron. Here are some applications. hi hi hi
        2. +4
          29 January 2023 11: 13
          Uranium there will be replaced back with corundum, most likely. At VO there was a detailed article in 2013 with an analysis of the M1 armor. That was the name "Analysis of the reservation of the M1A2SEP Abrams tank" (https://topwar.ru/23416-analiz-bronirovaniya-tanka-m1a2-sep-abrams.html).
        3. +2
          29 January 2023 13: 19
          if uranium is replaced by tungsten?

          Tungsten is also a very strong metal, but it is inferior to uranium. For example, BOPS in Russia and the USA are made from uranium, the Germans are made from tungsten, since politicians are against using uranium. Also good, but not as good.
          But the most important difference is not the strength of the metal itself, but the strength of metal-based ceramics. Aolframe oxide is also used in armor, but it is significantly inferior to uranium oxide.
        4. 0
          29 January 2023 20: 27
          Uranium is denser, which is why the Americans made OBPS from it, in the same dimensions you get an increase in performance.
    2. +5
      29 January 2023 07: 47
      Quote: andrewkor
      Please explain to me how uranium is included in the armor?

      Somehow found:
      The manufacturing process for such armor involves "weaving" depleted uranium in the form of a wire mesh into a conventional plate of steel armor during rolling.

      These plates are fairly easy to replace.
      1. +4
        29 January 2023 13: 23
        Where do you find such stories?
        Uranoceramics. Rumor has it that Challenger-2 tanks also have uranium ceramics. There is also some famous secret armor.
        But no one knows for sure.
        ceramics are visible in the padded abrams. The crumb pours out of the holes in the armor after meeting with a cumulative jet.
        1. 0
          29 January 2023 17: 00
          Quote: Beetle1991
          Uranoceramics. Rumor has it that Challenger-2 tanks also have uranium ceramics.

          What form is this uranoceramic in? Pot, vase, plate? Why can't it be a mesh rolled into a slab?
          1. 0
            29 January 2023 17: 47
            Composite armor. Several plates, between them filler - ceramics. She slips through the hole. Plates, as I imagine them - two plates, between them a grid of uranium U-238, metal, and they all roll together. I'm just guessing.
          2. 0
            30 January 2023 17: 50
            ceramic plate 13 mm thick. This is from open sources on Abrams.
            What form is this uranoceramic in? Pot, vase, plate? Why can't it be a mesh rolled into a slab?

            Why roll the mesh into the slab? And why the name of the grid?
            There is a solid ceramic plate.
    3. +8
      29 January 2023 13: 14
      Please explain to me how uranium is included in the armor? The author did not touch this in any way. Are these overhead elements, inside the combined package or in some other way? Thank you!

      Most likely ceramics based on uranium oxide. Ceramics, unlike uranium itself, does not enter into a chemical reaction with practically nothing. It is placed under the outer armor. They don’t put it on the outside, there are several reasons. This is radiation (depleted uranium contains 0.2-0.4% fissionable U235) and, like any other ceramics, it is not reusable. So that bullets, fragments and shells do not drum on it, do not crumble / weaken and do not create uranium-containing dust.
      Uranium itself is a very strong metal. BOPS are made from it. This is such a thing as a small crowbar. Tanks are shooting at them. Armor-piercing piercing sub-caliber projectile.
      Conventional ceramic armor is often made from alumina.
      Baked uranium oxide is a very strong thing. In this form, uranium is used as nuclear fuel.

      Judging by open data (photo / video of American padded Abrams on the net), the sides are partially covered in 3 layers of uranium ceramics, alternately with other armor. Well, the lobeshnik is, of course, boldly covered. There the cake will be much thicker.
      Ceramic armor differs from mettal in that it has a significantly greater resistance to a cumulative jet. The cumulative jet does not burn through, but pushes a hole in the armor, as it has a speed of about 8 km per second. Such a huge pressure of the copper cumulative jet significantly exceeds the yield strength of metals. But ceramics are not metal. Therefore, relatively thin sides can withstand an RPG-7 beam shot (piercing ability of 500mm armored steel)
      Well, it also works against BOPS. Due to the rigidity of ceramics, tapi, when in contact with ceramics, prefabricated BOPS break.
      But tanks from BOPS are protected only in the front. Nobody armors tanks in a circle from bops. Otherwise, it will weigh under 100 tons.
      This is if on top. If you are interested in more details, study the materiel.
      1. -1
        29 January 2023 17: 08
        Quote: Beetle1991
        Well, it also works against BOPS. Due to the rigidity of ceramics, tapi, when in contact with ceramics, prefabricated BOPS break.

        What a nonsense. What, just touched and broke? But what about this statement?
        Quote: Beetle1991
        So that bullets, fragments and shells do not drum on it, do not crumble / weaken

        Ceramics in tank armor is responsible for the cumulative jet, and metal, including depleted uranium, for armor-piercing shells.
        1. +1
          4 February 2023 19: 27
          In general, there is such a principle. In multilayer armor, layers of rubber are made between the sheets. Scrap punching the first sheet shifts the second sheet. It turns out the effect of scissors and the rod breaks. Maybe not rubber, but an air gap. In general, there are fixed layers, and there are shifting ones. The shift is also achieved due to the slope of the armor, since the crowbar does not enter along the normal.
    4. 0
      29 January 2023 20: 25
      The combined package contains uranium sheets, how they are laid there, how many of them and how thick they are, no one knows.
      1. +1
        30 January 2023 01: 26
        I am practically quoting an article from VO ten years ago, which apparently people are too lazy to read. Uranoceramic blocks are in a titanium "matrix" with graphite sputtering. Each block consists of three 19 mm plates of uranium ceramic (with two rubber spacers between them), there is a 19 mm gap between the blocks. The blocks are laid evenly between two steel sheets of conventional steel armor and fill the entire dimension between them - the frontal dimension of the turret and hull, as well as the side dimension of the turret side, based on their different (on different Abrams modifications) thicknesses. That’s what’s incomprehensible here, I don’t know at all, it’s written in such a way that the student understands.
        1. 0
          30 January 2023 04: 51
          Quote: yaglon
          I am practically quoting an article from VO ten years ago, which apparently people are too lazy to read.

          Everything is fine with this article, except that for some reason armor with metallic uranium was painted as with some kind of uranium ceramics. No, there is such ceramics, only its density is much lower (just much) needed for military purposes.
          1. +1
            30 January 2023 05: 19
            I don't know where the subtleties are. Perhaps some nuances in the translation. But in all sources, chobham-type armor is called ceramic (ceramic armor). I did not find other meanings of the word ceramic in the dictionary.
            1. 0
              30 January 2023 05: 38
              Quote: yaglon
              But in all sources, chobham-type armor is called ceramic (ceramic armor)
              Yes? Wiki is a completely marginal source?
              Since then, the name has become a common term in popular publications for multi-layered tank armor, containing ceramic elements.
              Abrams' armor contains ceramic elements, but these are not uranium oxides at all.
              1. 0
                30 January 2023 10: 43
                The wiki article is not very informative. By the way, I found a recent article in Forbes, Written there: "The Ukrainian M-1s, like all non-American M-1s, will feature this tungsten-on-the-inside armor blend. They'll have a company. At least some of the German-made Leopard 2 tanks that Germany, Poland, Norway, Canada and other countries have pledged to Ukraine also have tungsten in their armor". From which it follows that for all non-American Abrams, as well as for all Leopards-2, the main material of composite armor is tungsten. This means that in the article on VO from 2013, where the analysis of Abrams' armor was carried out and where corundum is indicated, a mistake was made in this case.
                1. 0
                  30 January 2023 15: 20
                  Quote: yaglon
                  The wiki article is not very informative.

                  Enough to avoid writing this:
                  Quote: yaglon
                  But in all sources, chobham-type armor is called ceramic (ceramic armor).

                  Quote: yaglon
                  The Ukrainian M-1s, like all non-American M-1s, will feature this tungsten-on-the-inside armor blend.... .....From which it follows that all non-American Abrams, as well as all Leopardov-2, the main material of composite armor is tungsten.
                  From what follows that it is the MAIN element? Where did you read this? Well, Forbes as a special edition on tank armor is ridiculous.
  6. +6
    29 January 2023 06: 25
    With new armor or with the old one, "Abrams" will go to Ukraine does not matter. They will go to kill a Russian soldier, which means they must be destroyed at least partially before reaching the front. This applies to German, British, French and other tanks, self-propelled guns, infantry fighting vehicles.
    1. +2
      29 January 2023 07: 36
      Quote: rotmistr60
      They will go to kill a Russian soldier, which means they must be destroyed at least partially before they get to the front ...

      ... even better, in the places of production ...
      feel
      1. +3
        29 January 2023 18: 08
        I propose to land you with scuba from a submarine off the coast of Ohio. laughing
  7. +2
    29 January 2023 07: 00
    Yes, we do not care about their "armor" ...
    Can you explain better how ours admit that this shit turned out to be on Russian territory? Where are the missiles, where is the aircraft? Not enough for parades yes?????
    1. +7
      29 January 2023 07: 34
      Quote: Ivanov IV
      Can you explain better how ours admit that this shit turned out to be on Russian territory?

      And how do Russian oil, metal, coke and gas get to Ukraine and the countries that produce (supplied there) equipment and weapons, and even at dumping prices?
      Is private ownership of THIS EVERYTHING involved in this epidersia? belay
      1. +1
        29 January 2023 12: 08
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: Ivanov IV
        Can you explain better how ours admit that this shit turned out to be on Russian territory?

        And how do Russian oil, metal, coke and gas get to Ukraine and the countries that produce (supplied there) equipment and weapons, and even at dumping prices?
        Is private ownership of THIS EVERYTHING involved in this epidersia? belay

        Definitely involved. There is clearly someone's private interests. Therefore, Ukrainian communication routes operate without hindrance. There is simply no other sane and logical explanation.
    2. +3
      29 January 2023 10: 36
      I explain. The Russian Federation does not have the technical means to prevent the supply of arms to Ukraine.
      1. -6
        29 January 2023 10: 44
        Quote: Skeptik3
        I explain

        The water is wet... until it freezes Yes

        Happy anniversary.

        1. +5
          29 January 2023 12: 08
          That Sobakevich is reporting on the work done on twisting / winding up the rating on the site? laughing
      2. -5
        29 January 2023 12: 09
        Quote: Skeptik3
        I explain. The Russian Federation does not have the technical means to prevent the supply of arms to Ukraine.

        Again, these fairy tales from TsIPSO.
        1. +5
          29 January 2023 12: 14
          If it is not clear, I will explain in detail:

          Energy was chosen as a target for strikes because these objects are large, stationary, with known coordinates and are not normally protected in any way. In other words, this is the easiest target.

          Three months of attacks on the energy sector with all available forces could not disable it.
          The conclusion is obvious. Is not it so?
    3. 0
      29 January 2023 18: 09
      And there are none. Neither missiles in sufficient quantities, nor combat-ready aircraft.
  8. +1
    29 January 2023 07: 28
    Ukrainian tanks "Abrams" will be deprived of the legendary uranium armor

    And who said that they will arrive in Ukraine AT ALL?
    Although, in case of defeat, it will be possible to refer to the fact that the Abrams tanks were deprived of the legendary uranium armor ... crying
    1. 0
      29 January 2023 18: 11
      The Pentagon said. I think that this is quite enough.
  9. -5
    29 January 2023 07: 41
    And the vulnerability in the back of the head, which is pierced by a machine gun, they, for sure, will not even try to solve in these tanks wink And it’s also interesting whether the shrapnel ammunition will go, or again - the main thing is to get close to the tank and point-blank on the observation devices from the Kalash - and then "catch the blind Jew until he breaks his neck," as has already happened laughing
  10. -3
    29 January 2023 07: 49
    Campaign, the Americans launched a new tank into production, and the Abrams are handed out left and right.
    The car, even in the muted version, is very serious.
    I think they will still drag Tony with one or two full-fledged copies for a run-in.
    And we never installed 152 mm on the tank.
    It looks like the T-14 was being prepared to meet their menagerie, I hope it will bear the proud name "St. John's wort-2".
    1. +4
      29 January 2023 08: 34
      Armata was prepared for parades, no menageries are expected due to the absence of the T-14. The proud name, as always, of the queen of the fields ....
    2. +6
      29 January 2023 11: 29
      They have 4000+ M1A1 (2) lying idle in warehouses. In the active troops they have ~ 1400 tanks, in training camps a couple of hundred, i.e. there are 2,5 more tank armies in the warehouses. They can safely deliver ~ 1000 tanks without any consequences for themselves as a whole.

      Moreover, this war showed that for modern conflicts, the role of tanks is auxiliary, we can expect their further reduction in modern armies.
    3. +1
      29 January 2023 18: 12
      The Americans don't need a new tank. They have nowhere to put old stocks.
  11. +18
    29 January 2023 08: 27
    That is, the longer we delay with the special operation, the more difficult the situation we find ourselves in. We are exhausted economically, people are dying, and so not endless stocks of modern weapons are being spent, the enemy gets it into his hands for detailed study (while his advanced developments do not shine). We are boiled like a frog, gradually. And we continue to comply with all former agreements with the enemy, supply strategic raw materials, ask for negotiations, and so on. It is quite obvious that it will not be possible to avoid a full-scale war with the West in this way. And in a very unfavorable state for us.
    1. +6
      29 January 2023 09: 10
      Quote: U. Cheny
      the longer we delay with the special operation, the more difficult the situation we find ourselves in

      And the longer, the more weapons the Armed Forces will receive! And rearm and retrain and accumulate strength! And fairy tales about "grinding" are not very reliable and not very effective ... You need to beat Gently, but Strongly!
      1. +4
        29 January 2023 12: 14
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: U. Cheny
        the longer we delay with the special operation, the more difficult the situation we find ourselves in

        And the longer, the more weapons the Armed Forces will receive! And rearm and retrain and accumulate strength! And fairy tales about "grinding" are not very reliable and not very effective ... You need to beat Gently, but Strongly!

        And the planes will be delivered if the war drags on for a long time. Don't go to a fortune teller. It is not for nothing that conversations have begun, information preparation is underway.
    2. +5
      29 January 2023 09: 44
      And I remember last year the propagandists assured us that everything was going according to plan. And the opinions of those who said that it was necessary to quickly move on to decisive action in order not to drag out the conflict were called nonsense, they say, at the top they know what they are doing.
      1. +2
        29 January 2023 10: 44
        You have been misled. All the most combat-ready formations of the RF Armed Forces participated in the SVO from the first for. A blow was struck with all available conventional forces and means.
        The maximum determination was shown within the framework of the available opportunities.
        1. +5
          29 January 2023 12: 58
          All the most combat-ready formations of the RF Armed Forces participated in the NWO from the first for

          Some of which were mediocrely lost, since these are the most combat-ready to line up in three rows and are easily destroyed.
          1. +5
            29 January 2023 13: 08
            What was the result of gross errors made both in assessing the combat capability of the enemy and in assessing the combat capability of the RF Armed Forces.
      2. +5
        29 January 2023 18: 49
        "The propagandists assured us that everything was going according to plan ..." And exactly the propagandists? I heard this text in the performance of the Supreme.
    3. +6
      29 January 2023 10: 41
      You rightly argue that Russia is gradually spending its military potential in the NMD and the West is quite satisfied with this state of affairs.
      But you are drawing the wrong conclusion that this allegedly brings a full-scale war with the West closer. The situation is exactly the opposite - the less resources Russia has left, the lower the likelihood of such a war. There is simply nothing to lead her. And the further, the more "nothing".
  12. 0
    29 January 2023 08: 55
    Quote: Vladimir80
    War is a path of deceit, these are all fairy tales for the "gullible spectator". As we can see, the narrative (thesis) that the United States only recycles old rubbish turned out to be false.


    So how many "Abrams" with uranium armor have been delivered, for example, to the Saudis? Moreover, the latter would have paid real money and were the most important partners and allies of the United States in the region.

    It didn't turn out to be a false narrative. Something was also removed from the M777 before being sent to Hochland
    1. +7
      29 January 2023 15: 21
      Is it true that something was removed from the M777? Many hoped for this, but in fact there are photos of plates from these guns on the net, and there are M777A2 of the latest modifications and calmly shoot like Excaliburs. I think that all these hopes for the supply of rubbish are just self-deception and either a planned deception by propaganda of us, ordinary people.
      1. +1
        29 January 2023 18: 15
        Exactly. Excaliburs in the amount of 500-1000 pieces are included in almost every military aid package.
        1. +4
          29 January 2023 21: 02
          Well, it seems that the latest modifications of excaliburs are generally completely autonomous and do not require any separate "support" for their use from the howitzer. They are programmed (set the coordinates of the target) with a small portable (manual) device that comes with every X shells.

          As a result, they can be fired at all from any howitzer / self-propelled gun of suitable caliber (155mm), even if it is quite old.

          And yes, they deliver regularly. Approximately in a ratio of 100 to 1 - for every 100 pieces of ordinary ("blunt") 155mm shells, there is one more Excalibur.
    2. +1
      30 January 2023 18: 57
      The narrative will be false if the "legendary uranium armor" © exists in reality, and is not the fruit of propaganda.
  13. -8
    29 January 2023 08: 58
    Quote: U. Cheny
    That is, the longer we delay with the special operation, the more difficult the situation we find ourselves in. We are exhausted economically, people are dying, and so not endless stocks of modern weapons are being spent, the enemy gets it into his hands for detailed study (while his advanced developments do not shine).


    Fairy tales. We, too, mainly fight with old weapons, freeing warehouses.
    Both sides use Ukraine both as a weapons dump, for the disposal of old weapons, and as a testing ground for combat testing of single samples of modern weapons with the subsequent correction of "jambs".
    1. +5
      29 January 2023 10: 46
      You really are. The colleague is absolutely right. The Russian Federation is fighting with outdated weapons only because there is either very little new or it exists only in pictures for parades.
  14. 0
    29 January 2023 09: 06
    [quote = Lech from Android.] [quote].
    It's bad that Gerasimov never figured out how to stop the supply of heavy weapons to NATO on the battlefield. recourse[/ Quote]
    Gerasimov does not need to invent anything - everything has long been invented.
  15. -1
    29 January 2023 09: 19
    USA supplies A1. The author, tell me how you can remove the armor from the tank and replace it with another one?
    1. Qas
      +4
      29 January 2023 11: 07
      I am not an author but I will answer.
      Look at the photo of Abrams at the very top of the article. Do you see foreign "blotches" on the "cheekbones" of the tower? This is uranium armor. It is bolted to the main armor, lies on it. Our tanks have bricks scattered on top, that's about the same with them. When I served in 90, a T80 came to us. Handsome. For days they removed these bricks from him, I don’t remember why it was necessary.
      1. 0
        29 January 2023 21: 05
        I call them "cheeks". Painfully, from the front, he looks like a fat hamster with a bunch of nuts stuffed into his cheeks. Uranium nuts...
  16. +1
    29 January 2023 09: 22
    There will be a joke if it turns out that there is no uranium armor. They just went over the ears and drank the budget. And then they pulled the time and drank again. The capitalists. After the pox blanket trick, I have little faith in American altruism.
  17. +1
    29 January 2023 11: 25
    We need to fear not those tanks that will go to Ukraine, but those that still remain in the United States. Sooner or later, Russia will have to face the real Abrams. And then the result of the collision will depend not on the presence / absence of stealth armor, but on the ability of our anti-tank systems to crack this armor.
    1. +1
      29 January 2023 18: 20
      The most real and latest models of tanks will go to Ukraine with some restrictions regarding secret technologies. Their fighting capacity will be hoo. You don't have to be delusional. Underestimating the enemy is a grave mistake.
      1. +2
        4 February 2023 20: 17
        They won't be the newest. Yes, many of them will be in good condition, many so-so. But even in the truncated version that will come, they will be no worse than the latest Russian T-90s. And probably even better. Perhaps this "better" will turn out to be more difficult to maintain, but it will still need to be knocked out. But it's not worth waiting for the latest versions.
  18. +2
    29 January 2023 11: 37
    In fact, ALL tanks have reinforced frontal armor, weaker sides, and the bottom and roof are even thinner.
    One must think that the Germans will "advise": to remove all the "raisins" from the Leopard, but they are
  19. -1
    29 January 2023 11: 55
    However, where they will take it from is just speculation. They will be handed over to Ukraine in any case, even in the summer, even in the spring. However, the fact that some kind of "stubs" will go to the front, devoid of not only powerful armor, but, most likely, such gizmos as combat information and control systems (suitable for the parameter "secret equipment to be removed") inspires encouragement and confidence in their own weapons, to which such "gifts" are quite tough. In addition, do not forget that the side projections of the Abrams are protected much worse than the frontal ones, and now it flies on the sides more often than on the forehead. Well, artillery with mines does not need to be pushed into the background either.

    in general, modernization in the opposite direction, well, we will soon check what kind of beast it will turn out ....
  20. -2
    29 January 2023 11: 56
    Quote: Alexander of Alexandria
    There will be a joke if it turns out that there is no uranium armor. They just went over the ears and drank the budget. And then they pulled the time and drank again. The capitalists. After the pox blanket trick, I have little faith in American altruism.

    yes, judging by the preparation (removal of uranium armor), something is not clean there ....
    1. +3
      29 January 2023 18: 21
      For export options for weapons, restrictions on secret technologies are standard practice.
  21. +1
    29 January 2023 11: 58
    Quote: Skeptik3
    You really are. The colleague is absolutely right. The Russian Federation is fighting with outdated weapons only because there is either very little new or it exists only in pictures for parades.

    most likely just very little
  22. -2
    29 January 2023 12: 14
    Abrams has a wonderful place for the arrival of a projectile - between the VLD and the tower. winked
    1. +5
      29 January 2023 16: 30
      Abrams has a wonderful place for the arrival of a projectile - between the VLD and the tower

      try to hit it is called ... and how many vulnerabilities the t72b3 has, I’m even silent about the t62 ...
      1. -2
        29 January 2023 16: 52
        I see not a single artilleryman in the comments. The usual gun-howitzer D-30, so that everyone understands, can shoot like a howitzer: from top to bottom. Big hello to any armor. I am silent about 2c4 with their mines, in general, what the hell is left of the abrams. And yes, 2s4 has high-precision mines. It's not a pity for Abrams.
        And for a snack. My 2s4 crew demonstrated the practice of such shooting at the Luga training ground back in the shaggy 80s, during the tests of Daredevils and other prodigies. The experimental t-34 was surprised by a mine from above into the tower at a distance of 15 km. From the first shot. Gunner Dmitry from Könik went on vacation.
        1. +1
          29 January 2023 18: 23
          And why was Excalibur invented only in the USA? They just had to invite Dmitry from Konik and it was all in the bag!
        2. -1
          29 January 2023 21: 36
          The experimental t-34 was surprised by a mine from above into the tower at a distance of 15 km.
          - Was the T-34 actively maneuvering or standing still?
          1. +2
            30 January 2023 07: 44
            Quote: Reklastik
            - Was the T-34 actively maneuvering or standing still?

            At one time, while defending one African country, our "instructors" hit three tanks and the opposing side at a distance of 15 km on the move with three guided missiles, which thwarted the beginning offensive
      2. -2
        30 January 2023 07: 35
        Quote: Vladimir80
        I’m even silent about T62 ...

        As I understand it, don’t tell the same about the T-34 ... It’s a pity. And I would very much like to know when you last saw the T-62 there in reports from LBS and where?
      3. 0
        31 January 2023 11: 35
        and there’s nothing to try, the ricochet along the VLD itself will pass to the right place.
        especially over the driver.
  23. -2
    29 January 2023 12: 58
    "....will be stripped of the legendary uranium armor."
    this...
    I beg your pardon, but what is the LEGENDARY armor????
    Please explain. And a legend, well, at least one, tell me.
  24. 0
    29 January 2023 14: 19
    I don’t understand one thing - the author, judging by the syllable, doesn’t, but statements on the topic “it will break through, it won’t break through” look like thoughts of a couch ... EXTREMELY not a smart person ... For easy familiarization, play any of the toys about tanks, for it will be useful for you. "Tundra", "Potato" - for YOU, until it matters. You will be surprised - they try not to shoot at the forehead of the hull and head of the enemy tank. There are exceptions, but mostly. Can you imagine? ... BOPS, in the common people, scrap, unlike a conventional projectile, ricochet badly, and therefore the tank "accepts them with sides and hulls and heads, at angles of 10-8 degrees to the axis of the shot ... And there is a multilayer NO armor!!!! Can you imagine? ... 80-90 homogenes at best !!!. And any of our fluff is sewn with a bang!
    Now about the most vulnerable spot of any armored cart ... Caterpillars, chassis, popularly harp. If a tank is shot down in battle with a harp, then it is possible to shoot at the immovable iron shed into which the tank turns with sensitivity and sense of placement, destroying repairers and special equipment that is trying to evacuate the tank with mortar fire. How to do it? Land mine 125mm. Not only that, he, a landmine, will vomit both the tensioner and the harp, so that the repair of the tank, even in the conditions of a garage, for a long time is if Leva or Abrasha .. And God forbid, if the ent prodigy is mutilated in the field. And rain. Small.
    The river is further. Land mine 125 in the middle of the front projection of Abrashka. Under the cannon above the mechanical drive. This is a star with the letter p. Or a landmine under the tank, under the bottom. I hope you saw what happens to Abrashka when you run into an anti-tank mine-explosion of a BC.
    This is so to speak in a nutshell.
  25. GN
    -5
    29 January 2023 14: 50
    An ordinary piece of iron, like all tanks. All these bulletproof fantasies are the ravings of a lunatic! The United States in the 80s generally bred the elders in the Kremlin with its SDI program! Fantasy and all. Please note that the last 5-7 days have been conversations only on these topics. This is what the enemy wants!
    “Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword!”
  26. +4
    29 January 2023 15: 50
    Quote: Comrade
    Total - more than a year for repairs, and you say, "a couple of days."


    A couple of years ago, it was destroyed by a flood, this is the Kuenga-Ukurei stretch of the Transbaikal road. Partially traffic was restored after 42 hours, in full - in 5 days.
    1. 0
      29 January 2023 16: 48
      This is a footbridge across the creek. With a ruler, measure the width, for example, of the Dnieper.
      1. +4
        29 January 2023 17: 03
        This is a railway bridge in two directions on a fairly busy area. Read about the Antonovsky Bridge, how many missiles were transferred to it and what damage these missiles caused. And anyway, the bridge ceased to exist only after the undermining of the support. Crimean bridge - its railway part, after the explosion of 22 tons of explosives, was severe damage inflicted? Iskander, by the way, has a warhead mass of 450 kg, and the supporting structures are designed for much more significant loads.
  27. -3
    29 January 2023 16: 46
    When this abrams flies from 2c4, no armor will save.
  28. -2
    29 January 2023 17: 37
    In Iraq, they burned very well. I don't know what kind of armor they had. I believe that they will go to Ukraine with the same one. And they will burn.
    And by the way, most of Iraq's armored vehicles were destroyed by aircraft, and not by the Abrams
    1. +1
      29 January 2023 17: 59
      I heard that mostly birds are bradley
      1. +3
        29 January 2023 21: 15
        In ground battles - yes, more ATGMs with Bradley.
        But in the 1st place in the number of destroyed vehicles was aviation (moreover, not some fashionable F-22s or at least F-16 / F-15s anymore, but old A-10 attack aircraft were hollowed out, after preliminary suppression of air defense, of course).
        On 2m ATGM BMP
        And only 3m were tanks.
        However, not because they could not knock out of course. But because by the time they finally pulled up to the battlefields, they usually had little left in terms of suitable targets.
    2. +3
      29 January 2023 21: 05
      Most of the Iraqi tanks were destroyed after the Iraqi tankers abandoned the tanks and washed away, and the Americans slowly and almost point-blank shot at these tanks (often after the battle), creating a picture of an epic and victorious battle.
      The T-55 and T-62 sown by the Arabs themselves were of no use to them.
  29. +2
    29 January 2023 19: 24
    What is there to be happy about? They will cause trouble even without uranium until they are all killed.
  30. +3
    29 January 2023 21: 23
    With armor, it’s understandable and the rest of the equipment, too. The question is, on whose kerosene the falcons will "fly" across the endless Ukrainian steppe ...
    1. -2
      29 January 2023 22: 00
      Ukraine is a large relatively developed country. What are the problems with kerosene?
      1. -2
        30 January 2023 19: 45
        Large. "Oats are expensive these days." The "partners" will deliver. Part of the supplies will be sold right on the spot, part will be sold on the territory of the "square". Part in the perspective of an abrashka by the tooth. Although ... what most likely they will not reach Ukraine.
        1. -1
          30 January 2023 21: 04
          Have the Haimars reached Ukraine? Are there any problems with missiles for them? That's it! And a high-precision rocket is, excuse me, not a tank of kerosene.
          1. -1
            30 January 2023 21: 13
            Quote: Skeptik3
            A high-precision missile is, sorry, not a tank of kerosene

            Exactly. It weighs less, the size is also smaller ... and you need less of them.

            Great example, my applause Yes
            1. -1
              31 January 2023 02: 04
              And you can buy it at any gas station, excuse me, military store.
  31. +2
    29 January 2023 22: 21
    I don't understand what is the message of this article? In Iraq, when the Abrams were burning with the legendary uranium armor from the RPG 7 shot, they immediately accused Russia of supplying the Iraqi resistance with special ammunition, as they then wrote ammunition with an impact core that pierced the legendary uranium armor through and through. The author of the tank not only makes the armor a tank, but the tank also has ammunition, that's where it will be a little sad for some modifications of the T72 Tank if the Abrams tanks are given a 120 mm anti-tank shot from depleted uranium М829А4
    1. 0
      30 January 2023 19: 36
      Well, of course. They are saving on uranium for armor and will supply depleted uranium rounds. Let's see. There is time until the end of 2023. They seem to have planned for December.
  32. 0
    30 January 2023 08: 30
    We have been lied to again...
    Nafig on these "Abrams" without "underpants".
  33. +3
    30 January 2023 08: 47
    Legendary? God, what are you wearing?
  34. -1
    30 January 2023 19: 33
    sad Well, what did I say? In appearance it will be "abrashka", but inside it will be a poop. Business class is not for serfs.
    1. -1
      30 January 2023 21: 06
      There will be a normal export version. This is standard practice.
  35. +1
    30 January 2023 22: 47
    There will be an excuse for wrecked tanks - the lack of "secret" armor.
  36. 0
    31 January 2023 09: 29
    Quote: arkadiyssk
    Is it true that something was removed from the M777? Many hoped for this, but in fact there are photos of plates from these guns on the net, and there are M777A2 of the latest modifications and they calmly shoot like Excaliburs.


    And that it is impossible to remove the active GPS module from the A2? Me too, problem.

    "The West supplied Ukraine with M777 howitzers without a GPS system in order to avoid them falling into the hands of Russian troops. This was reported by RIA Novosti on June 23, 2022, citing the Ukrainian edition LIGA.net, which, in turn, refers to a source in the Ministry of Defense Ukraine.

    According to this source, the GPS system was removed from the M777 howitzers that Ukraine received from Western partners, because governments and manufacturers have reservations about storing technology, since there is an understanding that certain types of weapons can be captured by Russia during a war.

    M-777 howitzers use GPS to correct strikes using the appropriate ammunition. Also, the global positioning system allows you to combine howitzers into a single circuit with drones and radar stations for counter-battery combat. Russian means of detection can detect the location of howitzers with active GPS modules. "

    https://www.tadviser.ru/index.php/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%82:%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0_M777

    Although later, perhaps, they began to supply in a complete set. So much the better, since we already have such a trophy.
  37. -1
    31 January 2023 09: 33
    Quote: Skeptik3
    You really are. The colleague is absolutely right. The Russian Federation is fighting with outdated weapons only because there is either very little new or it exists only in pictures for parades.


    We have new weapons. A little or a lot - I won’t say, everyone has little new.
    But why use the latest expensive systems, if there is an old, proven and quite suitable one? Moreover, it was paid for back in Soviet times. And the enemy is not the most serious of the possible ones.
    The biggest trump cards are kept until the end of the game.
    1. 0
      31 January 2023 12: 54
      There are no trump cards, except for nuclear weapons. Everything that was already applied. Is it really so hard to believe in such a self-evident thing?
  38. +1
    31 January 2023 09: 36
    Quote: Skeptik3
    What are the problems with kerosene?


    I note, with aviation. By the way, domestic kerosene is somewhat different from American, and the question is how the Abrams gas turbine engine will survive the replacement.
    "Leopards" with their multi-fuel diesel engines are more preferable for Zalezhnaya.
    1. +1
      31 January 2023 12: 55
      I heard that the engine is multi-fuel.
      Ukraine is a major aviation country. The kerosene issue is being sucked up by local commentators in an attempt to pass off wishful thinking.
  39. 0
    31 January 2023 09: 40
    Quote: Skeptik3
    The most genuine and latest models of tanks will go to Ukraine with some restrictions regarding secret technologies.


    In Yemen, what kind of "Abrams" did the Saudis fight with?
    And the Iraqi "golden division", presumably, was given tanks worse than the current Ukrainians?

    The latest models of the Yankees do not deliver to anyone at all. There are not enough of them even for their own needs.
    1. 0
      31 January 2023 12: 56
      The model to be delivered has been officially announced. You can google yourself.
  40. -1
    31 January 2023 13: 43
    Quote: Skeptik3
    There are no trump cards, except for nuclear weapons. Everything that was already applied.


    Definitely - no.
  41. 0
    31 January 2023 13: 53
    Quote: Skeptik3
    The model to be delivered has been officially announced. You can google yourself.


    So what? Rejection of depleted uranium in armor - is it still a plus or a minus?
    Most likely, the SLA will be slightly cut. And in general, no one exports or transfers the most advanced modifications to others. So to speak, "for sebe". laughing
  42. -2
    1 February 2023 09: 09
    I’ll make an assumption that everyone heard uranium in the armor but no one saw it, and when they didn’t find uranium when studying the remains of wrecked tanks, a modification was reported without uranium for underdeveloped buyers, so I suppose that here, like with landing on the moon, it’s complete nonsense and its purpose getting additional profit by the manufacturer, into which tank the uranium was stuffed, no one knows, and the money from the budget has already been cut.
  43. +1
    1 February 2023 09: 45
    Quote: Skeptik3
    I heard that the engine is multi-fuel.


    In theory, yes. A gas turbine engine can actually run even on shit biodiesel. But aviation kerosene is still recommended. Not diesel or gasoline. Why? Maybe because only on such expensive high-calorie fuel the engine will provide the declared characteristics (power, fuel consumption, power reserve)?
  44. -1
    1 February 2023 10: 47
    In a year, Russia could not even cope with the Soviet tanks that are in service with Ukraine. With the supply of Western tanks, it definitely won’t get any easier. Abrams is a very serious opponent, even in a simplified version (although I don’t believe that the United States will spend money on any modernization to simplify it - they will simply send the oldest tanks that are available)
  45. 0
    4 February 2023 10: 37
    The USE generation has reached topwar.ru. "author" does not know in what context the word "legendary" is used.
    PS Stupid robot topwar.ru edited the meme "author" through the letter "f".