Great Embassy of Peter I in England and Austria

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Great Embassy of Peter I in England and Austria
Portrait of Peter the Great by Godfried Kneller


Peter in England


Peter decided to go to England. Upon the arrival of the embassy in London in January 1698, a solemn welcome was arranged for him. King Wilhelm III and the Tsar often exchanged visits and each time talked to each other for several hours. They soon became friends.



Peter looked around London for a long time. He visited the Royal Society of Sciences, where he examined things that interested him for a long time, was in the arsenal, in the Tower, at the mint, in the observatory. As in Holland, Peter amazed everyone with his curiosity. But his main occupation, for which Peter arrived in England, was still shipbuilding, the theoretical part of which he so wanted to master. Even in Holland, Peter received a certificate at the shipyard in the ability to build ships, but as the tsar himself said:

“If I had not been to England, I would have remained a simple carpenter for the rest of my life.”

Wilhelm admired the activities of Peter and wanted to leave a portrait in memory of his stay in England. Peter agreed, and the best portrait painter in England, Godfried Kneller, painted a portrait of the king. In this portrait, he depicted a handsome young man with a courageous, proud and noble expression on his face, big intelligent eyes looking forward.

But Peter did not make a favorable impression on everyone. A certain Englishman Burnet wrote in his memoirs:

“Is this a man capable of ruling a vast empire? Doubtful. Future good carpenter? May be. Nobody saw him busy with other things, and then he traded for little things ... The Tsar is a man of a very hot temper, prone to outbursts, passionate, cool. He excites all his ardor even more by drinking vodka, which he himself prepares with extraordinary knowledge of the matter.

During a visit to the Tower, England's main prison, where, according to Peter, "honest English people", he was not interested in them at all. Coins were also minted in the Tower, the great scientist, physicist and mathematician Isaac Newton led this process at that time. He left Cambridge in 1696 and, having arrived in London, soon became director of the Mint. With his skillful actions, Newton increased the issue of coins eight times. Peter had a long conversation with the famous director of the Mint and was struck by his mind. Peter's curiosity struck Newton as well. From this conversation, Peter learned a lot of information, which he later uses during the monetary reform in Russia.

Peter visited factories, factories, workshops with interest, but he was not at all interested in the laws and state structure of England. Among his entries in the diary about visiting various institutions there is only one dry phrase "were in parliament».


"Old London". Louise Ingram Rayner

Peter visited the parliament during the meeting, with the help of an interpreter he listened to the debate of the parties and said:

“It's fun to watch when subjects tell their sovereign the truth to his face; that's what you need to learn from the English."

But the Parliament did not impress Peter as much as the Tower or the shipyards.

On February 9, from London, Peter settled in Deptford, which is 3 km from the capital. There, the king studied shipbuilding for 2,5 months: practice and theory.

Not far from the Isle of Wight, Wilhelm arranged for Peter a mock naval battle involving twelve large naval ships. Peter from his yacht moved to an 80-gun ship and watched the two rows of ships converge, staging a battle. Peter, struck by the magnificent sight, then exclaimed:

"If I weren't a Russian tsar, I would like to be an English admiral."

The tsar was impressed by what he saw for a long time and, obviously, in the depths of his soul he dreamed that in the same way the Russian ships would converge in battles with the enemy.


Giovanni Antonio Canaletto. "The River Thames"

Still, Peter had an amazing character. Cruelty, harshness, anger coexisted with curiosity, firmness and great efficiency. All the same Burnet wrote about Peter:

"The king will either perish or become a great man."

Spending whole days studying shipbuilding, Peter did not forget about the main goal of his journey - he recruited officers, various masters for service in Russia. No matter how hard he tried, Peter did not find a mining engineer either in Holland or in England: he recently received information that iron ore had been found in the Urals. In total, Peter hired about 60 people for the Russian service in England. Hiring so many foreigners for service and sending them to Russia required considerable money, and Peter, with all his economy, began to need them. Therefore, Peter decided to sell the monopoly on the import of tobacco into Russia for 20 pounds to Lord Carmentin. Shortly before this, the tsar allowed the open sale of tobacco in Russia and imposed a duty on it.

Prior to this, the sale of tobacco was banned by the government, but it was still sold secretly. Under Alexei Mikhailovich, nostrils were torn for the sale of tobacco, and adherents of antiquity called it "damned potion." But the open sale of tobacco brought huge profits to the treasury, and according to the agreement, the British had to buy Russian goods with the proceeds from the sale. So the national currency was not taken out of the country.

The decision to sell tobacco - beneficial to the state, has more positive aspects than negative ones. You can’t blame Peter for ordering the abuse of smoking, because before him they also smoked, although tobacco was officially banned.

Peter stayed in England for more than three months and was preparing to go to Vienna. He recognized the advantage of English shipbuilding over the Dutch and decided to follow the example of the British.

On April 21, 1698, after saying goodbye to the English king, the king went to Holland, where an embassy was already waiting for him. From there, Peter immediately went to Austria.

Austria and return to Russia


In Vienna, the embassy received a colder reception than in Holland and England. Emperor Leopold I almost openly mocked Peter, considered himself much higher than the Russian Tsar. It even took Peter a long time to get permission to meet with Leopold.

This meeting took place and lasted only 15 minutes. Peter did not agree on anything with the emperor. Then Peter met with the Empress and the princesses. The meeting took place in the Favorite Castle, and Peter managed to make a favorable impression on them.

The diplomatic mission of the embassy failed completely: Austria made peace with Turkey and prepared for war with Spain. From a cognitive point of view, Peter also did not like Vienna: he did not find anything there that would interest him. From Vienna, Peter was going to go to Venice to continue studying maritime affairs. But the tsar was not destined to visit Venice: on the day of his departure, a Russian messenger arrived in the Austrian capital and gave Peter a letter stating that the rebel archers were going to Moscow.

The king decided to return and immediately set off. For several days he rode without a break, without an overnight stay, making brief stops only to change horses. So from Vienna he rode to Krakow, where he learned that the Streltsy rebellion was suppressed. After this news, Peter went slowly.

In the small town of Rava, not far from Lvov, Peter met with King Augustus II. It was easier for Peter to find a common language with him than with Leopold, because they had a lot in common. They were almost the same age, both were distinguished by high growth and strong physical strength. And, as it turned out, they had a common enemy - Sweden.


August II

The meeting in Rava lasted four days. During this time, there were fun feasts, which often turned into drinking parties, and reviews of the troops, and face-to-face talk about foreign policy. Peter and August agreed on an alliance in a future war against Sweden. The union was concluded orally, without fixing it in the documents. When preparing to go to Moscow, Peter exchanged a hat, camisole and sword with Augustus. He rode slowly, often stopping at the luxurious estates of the Polish lords. On August 25, Peter arrived in Moscow, and this was the end of the great embassy.

Summing up, we can say that the main goal of the embassy - the formation of an anti-Turkish coalition - failed completely. But another goal - attracting specialists to the Russian service and training volunteers - was a success, and it worked out well.

When Peter arrived in Rava, he still hoped that Augustus would support him in the war with Turkey, but when he left, he fully realized the inevitability of war with Sweden. The change in the direction of foreign policy is one of the most important events in the reign of Peter. The war with Sweden will not be easy, the country still had to go through a difficult test.

The journey clearly benefited Peter: he learned a lot, saw a lot for the first time, and finally decided to introduce the innovations he had seen in his own country. After the trip, Peter changed a lot: some even said that the king was replaced abroad.

Peter returned to Russia with the idea of ​​radically changing the country. Many reforms were to be carried out, but on the path of these reforms there were many opponents who were ready to kill or overthrow Peter, and put Sophia on the throne so that everything would be the same.
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  1. +3
    3 February 2023 05: 11

    Opinion about Peter I, L.N. Tolstoy drinks
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    1. +5
      3 February 2023 08: 25
      Lev Nikolayevich wrote this already in his advanced years. From the point of view of their philosophical and religious views. The gospel even rewrote
      1. +1
        3 February 2023 09: 12
        Type - senile insanity?
        Or is there something wrong with the text?
  2. +3
    3 February 2023 05: 20
    Last time I was glad that the author read "Peter I" by A.N. Tolstoy. But after this part, there was a suspicion that he just watched the film of the same name.
    [media=https://youtube.com/watch?v=siEmoh-gWqg&feature=shares]
  3. +4
    3 February 2023 05: 23
    Surprised by the next "stamp" of the Author?
    . ... recently he received information that iron ore had been found in the Urals.

    One of the first metallurgical plants in the Urals appeared in 1638 on the Nica River (near the town of Irbit, Sverdlovsk region).
    1. +5
      3 February 2023 06: 26
      Surprised by the next "stamp" of the Author?
      He wanted to write, new deposits of iron ore were discovered .. But something stopped .. smile
      1. Fat
        +1
        3 February 2023 19: 50
        hi Hello Alexander. It also seems strange to me why the author mentions only the Ural deposits of ores.
        The development of the metallurgical industry began after the reign of Alexei Mikhailovich, when the Dane Butenant von Rosenbusch, with the assistance of the government, founded in 1680-1690 in the Zaonezhsky churchyards five iron-smelting and iron-working plants (Ustyretsky, Foymogubsky, Lizhemsky, Spirovsky, Kedrozersky), using local marsh and lake ores. The large-scale development of new, Ural "deposits", as well as other Olonets mining plants, was discussed somewhat later, in 1702 - 1703 ...
    2. +2
      4 February 2023 20: 35
      This "plant" worked on swamp ore and smelted a microscopic amount of pig iron (about 400 pounds per year), at the Nevyansk plant, founded under Peter the Great, one blast furnace smelted up to 1000 pounds of pig iron per day. The difference is huge. That's what we're talking about.
  4. +3
    3 February 2023 05: 52
    After the trip, Peter changed a lot: some even said that the king was replaced abroad.
    How about no change. smile This topic will be developed by the author in the next article. smile
    1. +3
      3 February 2023 06: 02
      Wow Alexey!
      “The king of nature in Riga was walled up”!!! laughing
      How not to remember the film "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes Profession"! - "The demons have walled up." Although the first was written by me from the interrogation of a certain captain of the Preobrazhensky regiment Gavrilov.
      However, rumors circulated in Moscow earlier that Natalya Kirillovna gave birth to a girl, whom she replaced with a German!
      1. +2
        3 February 2023 06: 09
        And they said this: They hid the king in Stekoln (Stockholm), they sent the Antichrist to destroy the faith .. Not very much, but something like that .. smile
        1. +2
          3 February 2023 11: 01
          And I heard that the Iron Mask in France is the same, the real Peter lol
          1. +2
            3 February 2023 11: 43
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            And I heard that the Iron Mask in France is the same, the real Peter lol

            Does not beat for years! Louis XIV is the same age as Father Peter, even if not his grandfather!
  5. +2
    3 February 2023 08: 03
    It seems that a good student, tortured to death by school, is standing at the blackboard and answering on the topic ...
  6. 0
    3 February 2023 09: 16
    Quote: ee2100

    Opinion about Peter I, L.N. Tolstoy drinks
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    Yes Yes.
    I don’t know a more vile two-faced hypocrite in Russian history.
    How selflessly he fought against any education of women! (and without Sophia, her proofreading of manuscripts and financial affairs would have gone down the drain)
    How he fought against the church! (and sent money to completely totalitarian sects, plus he was actively interested in the Bahais, a kind of Muslim Mormons)
    How he advocated public morality! (being openly bisexual)
    And so on.
    Everywhere lies and manipulation of the audience.
    1. +3
      3 February 2023 10: 34
      We are not discussing Count Tolstoy, but Emperor Peter I
      drinks
  7. +1
    3 February 2023 09: 21
    With his skillful actions, Newton increased the issue of coins eight times.

    The author did not even bother to ask what Isaac Newton was really doing as caretaker of the Royal Mint. And he was not engaged in increasing the issue of coins, but, in the literal sense, saving the monetary system of England, which was in a catastrophic state. For this, a grandiose monetary reform was carried out, known as the Great Recoining of 1696-1697. It was this Great Recoinage that Newton led. True, given the style of "narrative", there are very big doubts that the author is capable of presenting such issues.
    1. +5
      3 February 2023 10: 11
      literally, the salvation of the monetary system of England, which was in a catastrophic state.
      Well, suppose she was no stranger to it, she had been in such a state since the time of Henry VIII. And in connection with the Great Recoining, it makes sense to recall another person, Pierre Blondeau.
      1. +3
        3 February 2023 11: 06
        You can remember, although he died 24 years before re-coining. But he laid the technical foundation, of course. Then Eloi Mestrel must be remembered. In general, it seems that the British regularly brought their monetary system to the handle, fighting with France, then invited the French to save her.
        But such complex constructions for this author are beyond the bounds of the possible.
        1. +4
          3 February 2023 14: 44
          Then Eloi Mestrel must be remembered.
          The fate of both is unenviable.
        2. +4
          3 February 2023 14: 48
          In general, it seems that the British regularly brought their monetary system to the handle, fighting with France, then invited the French to save her.
          If you think about it, the French began to shake their monetary system a couple of centuries earlier, and at the suggestion of the monarch. Hence the anti-shock specialists.
      2. 0
        3 February 2023 11: 34
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Well, suppose she was no stranger to it, she had been in such a state since the time of Henry VIII. And in connection with the Great Recoining, it makes sense to recall another person, Pierre Blondeau.

        This tradition has been working for years before Heinrich 8 .... 400, probably at least.
        Our people are sure that the king and the state are one, and thus fall into the trap of ardent feudalism.
        You can not mix the reigning dynasty and the state.
        Let's take the same Richard of ours, with a lion's heart. He arrived, collected money for the "roller coaster" and rolled off. The people crossed themselves and waking up with them.
        Oh well.
        England played the "Spanish problem" beautifully. Then a couple more games.... some in a draw, and some in a plus. Already under 300 years old, the "Russian party" is being played, ... let's wait and see. We need to eat fish and cook delicious barbecue.
        Win .... In a draw, that's it.
    2. +1
      3 February 2023 11: 43
      Quote: Ruyter-57
      saving the monetary system of England, which was in a catastrophic state

      You can save a monetary system based on paper money. Or electronic. How can you save a monetary system based on gold and silver, which has not changed its value for centuries? I understand the lack of gold and silver money in the treasury, but where can inflation or a negative trade balance deficit come from with the direct circulation of gold and silver? The transition to a new minting technology is also understandable - progress is coming ...
      1. +10
        3 February 2023 12: 10
        One of the highlights of the Great Recoinage is to restore confidence in the national currency.
        Firstly. There was a problem that a silver coin was grinded along the edge and the weight (silver price) in the coin did not correspond to the face value. Technically, Newton used a notch solution, which immediately made it possible to identify this chipped (denominated) coin.
        Secondly. This was not the first recoining of those money exchanges (the reason was the same as indicated above). But then the exchange was carried out according to the weight of silver. Newton, on the other hand, managed to convince the government of the benefit for the economy to carry out the exchange at face value. Accept old cut coins and issue new full-weight ones at face value. Huge costs were offset by a powerful economic breakthrough. English silver became an attractive currency in Europe, in fact, it was sold above par due to confidence in it. Classic currency speculation. In addition, the growth in the use of the national currency within the country is a departure from gray schemes, barter, barter, and an increase in tax revenues. This is if it is primitive to tell why this is the "Great Recoining"
        1. +1
          3 February 2023 12: 26
          Quote: balabol
          restore confidence in the national currency

          In my opinion, people's trust in gold and silver has always been, regardless of how it is presented - in the form of coins or simple ingots.

          Quote: balabol
          a silver coin was grinded along the edge and the weight (silver price) in the coin did not correspond to the face value

          Well, I know this. I am sure that a person who constantly deals with metal money will immediately determine if the edge is worn or not. The few who don't notice...

          Quote: balabol
          growth in the use of the national currency within the country - moving away from gray schemes, barter, barter and growth in tax revenues

          The growth in the use of the national currency within the country, as well as the growth in tax revenues, depends solely on the amount of gold and silver in the country, and not on the re-minting of coins. The same goes for moving away from barter and gray schemes. Do not forget that gold and silver are in use, not pieces of paper ...
          1. +4
            3 February 2023 12: 52
            There was no notch on the edge. Have you seen coins from the 17th century? Irregular circles with erased image.
            1. +1
              3 February 2023 14: 41
              There was no notch on the edge. Have you seen coins from the 17th century? Irregular circles with erased image.
              Already in the second half of the XNUMXth century.
              My respect, Vladimir!
              1. +3
                3 February 2023 16: 24
                Exactly, Anton, this is what we are talking about. The Mint applied the then modern technology of protection against counterfeiters. Not on old coins.
                It is a pity that the bells were removed and there is no way to respond in a timely manner. Today I frolic in the comments. wink
          2. +5
            3 February 2023 13: 02
            Luminman, you are certainly competent in many matters, but you make mistakes in economics. More than half of the financial market of that time is paper. Credit obligations, bills, pledges, shares. This is the topic of a series of articles. It is useless to discuss particulars without knowing the general system.
            1. -1
              3 February 2023 14: 38
              Quote: balabol
              More than half of the financial market of that time is paper. Credit obligations, bills, pledges, shares

              All of these securities were traded on the stock markets for gold and silver coins, and not for printed paper. If the joint-stock company turns out to be fraudulent and bursts, then the individuals who invested their money there will burst, but not the country's financial system. Let me remind you that the money was gold and silver ...

              P.S. If we assume that I have a conditional 100 kg of gold at home, then I don’t give a damn about all the inflation, devaluation and deficits. And, on the contrary, the worse the financial situation of the country, the more confident I will feel with my hundred kg of gold ... wink
              1. +2
                3 February 2023 14: 58
                P.S. If we assume that I have a conditional 100 kg of gold at home, then I don’t give a damn about all the inflation, devaluation and deficits. And, on the contrary, the worse the financial situation of the country, the more confident I will feel with my hundred kg of gold ...
                Colleague, have you ever been interested in gold buying and selling rates? How about buying and selling it?
                1. -1
                  3 February 2023 15: 07
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  Have you ever been interested in gold buying and selling rates?

                  Let's talk about the XVII-XVIII centuries better ...

                  P.S. One of my friends had a lot of golden royal chervonets. Oh, so many! Got an inheritance. So, in the conditions of the Soviet deficit, he felt very well. And he wanted to spit on rubles, dollars and other pieces of paper. There was a demand for them. Starting from collectors and ending with jewelers and those who want to save for a rainy day. True, these were illegal operations, for which they could be closed for a very long time ...

                  My grandmother sold a gold chain and a ring to buy groceries. It was during the war...
                  1. +4
                    3 February 2023 15: 32
                    Let's talk about the XVII-XVIII centuries better ...
                    Let's. The fact that you do not understand the European economy of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and the Enlightenment is already clear.
                    And as for the last phrase: I’m not used to it, I myself handed over my mother’s engagement ring to a pawnshop, I had to feed the child
                    1. +5
                      3 February 2023 16: 43
                      Conditional 100 kg of gold can save an individual even now, but the economy and finances of the state work according to a different scheme, significantly different from such a primitive one.
                      Once again, I emphasize that gold was not the main financial instrument, while it was a commodity and performed several other functions. At fairs in medieval Europe, the amounts of mutual accounting for obligations under transactions could exceed the state budget.
                      Hence the "legs" of the term "shadow government" grow. Representatives of trading houses provided clearing for trading operations, the issuance of new obligations and made decisions on the issue of war and peace. Financing of wars and conditions for their completion, financial preferences received for financing wars, etc.
                      In short, nothing has changed for centuries....
                      1. +1
                        3 February 2023 23: 35
                        Conditional 100 kg of gold can save an individual even now,
                        Well, I'm kind of not sure...
                    2. 0
                      3 February 2023 18: 03
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      The fact that you do not understand the European economy of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and the Enlightenment is already clear

                      Tell me, did you decide only to list everything that I don’t understand or reasonedly express your opinion? How is everything really?

                      Tell the lonely songwriter how, I quote you, "the economy of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and the Enlightenment" was arranged. You can directly list. Otherwise, it seems that you stumble over directly posed questions in the same way that savages from Papua New Guinea stumble over sanitary facilities in an apartment.

                      Without reasoned explanations, all your rantings are just screams of hominids from the branches and scratching the keyboard.
                      I might get in...

                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      And as for the last phrase: I’m not used to it, I myself handed over my mother’s engagement ring to a pawnshop

                      Speaking about my grandmother, I just wanted to emphasize that during the crisis, gold, not paper, decides everything. Here, as always, you didn’t understand anything, and I got the impression that all you can do is put words you don’t understand well into the same poorly understood sentences and place commas more or less without errors ...

                      P.S. Sorry if I offended ...
                      1. +7
                        3 February 2023 19: 44
                        I will intercede a little for Anton.
                        There is a certain category of knowledge that comes only and exclusively with the amount of material studied on the topic. In strict accordance with the dialectic - quantity turns into quality. It is impossible to bring this knowledge to the neophyte, no matter how hard you try, it has been verified by your own experience and repeatedly. You can convey either the main theses, without argumentation, but then, in order to be believed, you need to be a recognized authority in the area in which the conversation revolves, or start giving a lengthy lecture, which, as a rule, is of no interest to anyone.
                        I myself am guided by the topic you touched on with him, I think, no better than yours, so I do not express my opinion. Anton is better oriented, which I have already had the opportunity to verify.
                        Recently, Anton has really become somehow ... aggressive, or something ... Previously, sharp and categorical statements were much less characteristic of him, but this is apparently such a nervous time. However, I note that the state of mind does not affect the baggage of knowledge.
                      2. +2
                        3 February 2023 20: 28
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        It is impossible to bring this knowledge to the neophyte, no matter how hard you try...
                        ... However, I note that the state of mind does not affect the baggage of knowledge

                        "if a scientist does not know how to popularly explain to a child what he does, then he is a charlatan"

                        I don’t remember whose quote this is and I’m not entirely sure of its exact spelling, but the meaning is close to the original source ...
                      3. +2
                        3 February 2023 21: 04
                        Controversial statement.
                        Moreover, to explain what you do and explain the subtleties of things are different, don't you think?
                        Do you know a first grader? Try to explain to him how to find the discriminant. Everything will become clear to you.
                      4. +2
                        3 February 2023 21: 24
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        Do you know a first grader? Try to explain to him how to find the discriminant

                        The discriminant is just one of the many tools of mathematics. I cannot explain this to him. But what is mathematics and what it serves and its practical application - easily! Moreover, in a simple and accessible language.
                      5. 0
                        3 February 2023 22: 17
                        Recently, Anton has really become somehow ... aggressive, or something ...
                        I have good teachers!
                      6. +1
                        3 February 2023 22: 57
                        Tell me, did you decide only to list everything that I don’t understand or to express your opinions with reason?
                        Colleague, several times over the past year I have discovered your incompetence in various topics, from the "northern convoys" to today's, historical economy, hidden behind the verbosity of comments.
                        Regarding the dynamics of the devaluation of silver chased metal relative to gold, I can give the ratio of gold florin to silver soldo (Florence)
                        1252 - 20
                        1300 - 47
                        1350 - 62
                        1400 - 77
                        1432 - 80
                        1441 - 95
                        1442 - 81
                        1450 - 82
                        1500 - 140
                        The first number is the year. The second is the exchange rate of the cost of minted silver to the same gold. By the way, note that I try to operate with the word "chased" in relation to means of payment, unlike you, who operates in kilograms, because the concept of "brassage" is familiar to me.
                        Oh yes! I completely forgot... Source of information for the above plate: Raymond de Roover, "The Rise and Decline of the Medici Bank"; Iris Origo, "The Merchant of Prato".
                        And one more thing, regarding my punctuation ... Here, of course, "touch". As Winnie the Pooh used to say: "My correct spelling is lame. It is, but it is lame."
                      7. +4
                        4 February 2023 00: 40
                        Anton, at the end of the day, got to the literature and found such comments.
                        - Not only the market regulated the prices of precious metals. The state too. In 1785, in France, under the pretext of a gold leak, the gold/silver ratio was changed from 1:14,5 to 1:15,5. That's 7% from the operation of the speculator.
                        - In Paris in the middle of the 17th century, money in trade was so rare that in payments only a quarter was given in cash and the rest in tickets or bills to bearer.
                        - A certain William Petty in the 1682 book "The least that can be said about money" writes: When asked what to do if you have little money, you can answer like this - you should arrange a bank.
                        Reminds me of a modern approach.
          3. +5
            3 February 2023 18: 29
            Quote: Luminman
            I am sure that a person who constantly deals with metal money will immediately determine if the edge is worn or not.

            If only that was the problem...
            Have you ever heard the term "coin foot"?
            Roughly, this is the amount of money that can be minted from a precious metal ingot of a certain weight. So, as long as this same stop is observed, everything is as you wrote, but ... if this metal is slightly diluted with some less valuable stop, it will increase and, as if from nowhere, a few more coins will be taken. Moreover, at the first dilution it will be generally imperceptible. But greed has no limits, and therefore they will dilute it until, say, silver turns into a billon. That is, the real silver in the shilling will be, God forbid, half. And the market, of course, will react to this trick, regardless of whether the edge is worn off or not.
            But that's not all.
            Since Columbus discovered America, the precious metal has been flooding in, and therefore it is not surprising that its price has fallen. And therefore your statement that
            Quote: Luminman
            gold and silver, which has not changed its value for centuries?

            has nothing to do with reality. How did it change!
            1. +3
              3 February 2023 20: 33
              Senior seaman, your answer reminded me that I am on a discussion forum, and not in a booth. Thanks for the reply..
            2. +2
              3 February 2023 23: 17
              Since Columbus discovered America, the precious metal has been flooding in, and therefore it is not surprising that its price has fallen.
              My respect, Ivan!
              Even two and a half centuries before Columbus, the expansion of African gold in the Mediterranean dramatically changed the situation in Europe.
      2. +4
        3 February 2023 12: 41
        How can you save a monetary system based on gold and silver, which has not changed its value for centuries?
        You are very much mistaken. Changed constantly, especially with the advent of gold coins.
      3. +1
        3 February 2023 13: 18
        How can you save a money system based on gold and silver

        To understand this issue, you just need to familiarize yourself with it. Judging by your comment, for you it is "unknown land". Against the background of your aspirations to write historical articles, this situation looks somewhat curious, especially against the background of being completely far from understanding the essence. You immediately jumped into the discussion.
        1. +3
          3 February 2023 14: 48
          Quote: Ruyter-57
          You immediately joined the discussion

          The discussion involves the exchange of information, explaining to the interlocutor his delusions, if any. Only reasonedly. For example, as a colleague on the balabol forum. You just poop letters in the comments ...
          1. +1
            3 February 2023 17: 25
            exchanging information, explaining to the interlocutor his delusions


            Herman Melville. “Billy Budd, Fore Mars sailor. True story"
            1. +6
              3 February 2023 20: 10
              Quote: Ruyter-57
              exchanging information, explaining to the interlocutor his delusions


              Herman Melville. “Billy Budd, Fore Mars sailor. True story"

              And yet, Comrades, you are not wrong! Pouncing on Luminman. We have different experience, knowledge and competencies, at least it’s not nice to flaunt them, and not explaining, but tritely brushing off the opponent.
              We are all united by curiosity. Alas, recently it can be satisfied mainly only in the comments. And if you start, then try to finish.
              By the way, Luminman is somewhat right, only he judges not about Newton's era, but a couple of centuries earlier. When the monarchs did not shy away from dealing with a counterfeiter ..
              Well, the last price of precious metals among themselves is not a constant value. I won’t write about a copper ruble with a baking sheet = equal to a silver one, but it was,
              1. +1
                3 February 2023 20: 30
                . And if you start, then try to finish.

                Work hard. Finished. They gave me a rod. The comments have all the information you need. And the "opponent" had only to strain a little in order to "improve the competence."
              2. +4
                3 February 2023 20: 48
                For luminman.
                1. Each coin has basic characteristics:
                Nominal
                Purchasing power
                Price of precious metal in a coin (declared weight)
                Real content of precious metal
                These are related, but not identical characteristics. The difference is percentages.
                Coins are gold and silver, those have a variable coefficient.
                There are not many coins in the country, but there are already many in the region.
                All these parameters vary from region to region.
                Try to increase your 100 kg of gold by currency speculation in the main international market - Western Europe - East. This is where the economy comes in.
                2. Carrying gold is not very cool. Banks can help. Try to get acquainted with the services of the banks of Venice or Milan, even two centuries earlier than the events in question. You will hardly find more than 3 differences from the modern package of services. Didn't they use SWIFT. And they worked with papers like derivatives, for example.
                Part of the financial transactions, for example, is clear to me, they are very modern and conditionally I understand how to count them. Some of them are whimsical and I can only grasp a common thread, some of the multi-move ones just don't "bite" in any way. I reassure myself that this is not stupidity, but only the absence of all information. wink
                1. +4
                  3 February 2023 22: 13
                  Are you trying to teach me?
                  laughing
                  Okay, I'll dig deeper into your theses.
                  1. You ignore the numismatic (collectible) value of the coin. In some cases, rarity is more important than the weight of the precious metal. It is not uncommon for a counterfeit or defective coin to cost more than its face value, but to fashion and exceed the value of its weight in gold by a thousand times.
                  2. Practical value. Copper money made in the Yekaterinburg fortress went well for frying pans and other utensils.
                  3. Metal money in circulation is also subject to inflation. Half a century ago, it was fashionable to melt the silver crowns of Switzerland into bullion.
                  4. I don’t remember offhand, but numismatists value a copper nose coin. A counterfeit coin officially produced at the mint.
                  Good night!
                  1. +4
                    4 February 2023 00: 07
                    Vladislav, it is difficult to understand the sequence of letters.
                    "Are you trying to teach me?" to whom is it addressed?
                    Just in case, I will clarify that I answered luminman with an explanation of the instability of the market rates of ordinary widely used metallic money for settlements in financial transactions. Numismatics is its own universe.
                    1. +3
                      4 February 2023 04: 53
                      I scoffed!
                      Why did he start his theses with numismatics - because it sufficiently denies the laws of economics. In her case, you do not treat money to goods or means.
                      The second aspect is when money becomes a value as a subject of practical use. Sometimes out of necessity when there is no toilet paper in the public toilet.
                      These are just two examples of a non-economic model of the economy.
                      Concerning the basis of knowledge.
                      It was enough to convince the opponent that in Newton's time the bill system was already in operation. And to joke a little that the tasks of society are to increase wealth, and not to have a centner of gold. Alas, everything always comes to an end.
                      My message is simple, if a neophyte “climbed” into a cabal, you don’t need to beat him, but you need to try to explain on your fingers.
                      R.s. The opponent in the ashes of the discussion was open and ready to listen and read.
                      R.ss, even I learned a lot of interesting things from your cabal. But alas, he rushes to read the "fishing rod" of doing did not find. Sometimes you need to give a zest to a fishing rod. In our case, do not whip on the cheeks with three pairs of hands, but tritely interest the counterpart.
                      Well, somewhere like that. Yes, good morning and with sincere respect!
                      1. +2
                        4 February 2023 17: 23
                        Vladislav, let me be a little sarcastic.
                        "Why I started my theses with numismatics - because it sufficiently denies the laws of economics."
                        First, there is a price for all of this. They will offer you a coin and name the price, and you will say "it's expensive" or "excellent, cheap", that is, there is a market, there is an economy.
                        Second. Numismatics is part of the art market. It lies entirely within the paradigm of economic thinking. When buying a painting, you do not pay for a square meter of canvas (old), 100 grams of paint (dry), a few sticks of a stretcher and 100 hours of work by a specialist (artist). The coin pays for uniqueness and originality. From the point of view of the market, the main thing is originality and the impossibility of forgery. Then the price can be any, absolutely any. Determined by public consensus. It's like a million pound ticket.
                        The market for art values, though small in relation to global trade, lives according to the same economic laws. In essence, you are purchasing a unique share of the Art concern. You can buy a share of a conditionally old and proven company from this concern and end up with a guaranteed income slightly higher than inflation, or you can invest in an innovative industry (for example, contemporary art). In the latter case, the risks are great to lose everything, but the probability of making good money also increases.
                        But the feelings of a collector, love for art, the happiness of owning a favorite thing, indeed, fall out of general economic constructions.
    3. +5
      3 February 2023 14: 49
      The author of the article formally took a phrase from some materials out of context. For recoining, it was necessary to increase the productivity of the mint. Newton achieved this and recoined very quickly. Further, these capacities earned money. European countries ordered the minting of their coins in England.
      1. +3
        3 February 2023 15: 06
        I think so! "Increased productivity", not "increased production".
        1. +5
          3 February 2023 16: 47
          The description of the Mint before Newton is awful. Drunkenness, embezzlement, cliches were sold to counterfeiters. The cleaning of the composition was introduced, the work of new equipment was purchased and ESTABLISHED. Created its own police. Caught corrupt employees and counterfeiters. According to the laws of that time, a row was hung.
  8. +3
    3 February 2023 10: 17
    With his skillful actions, Newton increased the issue of coins eight times.
    It's like? Increased the issue of money? Launched a printing press? In our case, minted .. Newton increased the rate of inflation? smile You should first read the question..
  9. +6
    3 February 2023 12: 31
    The description of great historical events requires not only a simple enumeration of dates, events, personalities. It is necessary to disclose the historical context, assess the situation (political, economic, industrial, etc.) in the period under review.
    For all the importance of individual facts, it is necessary to understand their connection with global processes and assess the impact on the further development of society.
    In the materials of the previous article there was a set of fairly standard information, the discussion was reduced to a discussion of how they slept in the 17th century and a couple of other topics. It seemed to me that we missed a lot and decided to share with the forum participants a few additional thoughts about the Great Embassy. It was not possible to write quickly, but while reading the literature, a lot of details have accumulated.
    Visit to London January-April 1698.



    What was that London like? First, a description of the English authors themselves:
    “At the time when Peter traveled around Europe, London and Paris were its most populous cities. Like Paris, London was the capital of the state and the seat of government; like Amsterdam, it was the largest port in the country, a center of trade, art and culture. But in England, in comparison with the huge capital, everything else seemed insignificant. London with its immediate suburbs had 750* inhabitants, while Bristol, the next largest city in England, had only 000. In other words, every tenth Englishman was a resident of London, while only one Frenchman out of forty lived in Paris.”
    These figures differ in sources - from 70 thousand in the central regions to 700-750 thousand in "Greater London" with suburbs.
    The huge city experienced two disasters relatively recently. The Great Epidemic of 1665 - an outbreak of bubonic plague in Great Britain, which claimed the lives of up to 20%. The Great Fire of London broke out on Sunday, September 2, 1666, at one o'clock in the morning a bakery in Pudding Lane in the south of the city broke out. Fanned by the east wind, the fire spread, and attempts to stop it by destroying houses to create fire barriers were initially unorganized. On Tuesday evening the wind abated somewhat, and on Wednesday the fire abated. On Thursday, the temple was extinguished, but in the evening of the same day the flame in the Temple flared up again. The fire burned 13 houses, 200 parish churches.
    In the city itself, there has been a shift from wooden buildings to stone and brick to reduce the risk of fires. The London Restoration Act of Parliament 1666 stated that "a building of brick [is] not only more beautiful and durable, but more secure from future dangers of fire". From then on, only door cabinets, window frames, and shop windows were allowed to be made from wood.
    In 1618, the London Buildings Commission was organized, whose task was to regulate the development of the city. One of the most influential and authoritative members of this commission was arch. Inigo Jones. An important urban development undertaking by the London Buildings Commission was the layout of Lincoln's Inn Fields.
    It is difficult to overestimate the town-planning significance of the Wren project. It was the first grandiose and at the same time quite real project for the reconstruction of an existing city, almost two centuries ahead of the project for the reconstruction of Paris proposed by Haussmann. It is also significant that it was not a project of an “ideal” city (which were created in many in the Renaissance), but a real one, tied to all the main vital points of the existing city. The predominance of wooden buildings exacerbated the consequences of the fire that devastated much of London. H
    London before the beginning of the 60th century. did not have a single organized city square. What this city was like even in the XNUMXs of that century, said the famous art historian and architect of the XNUMXth century. John Evelyn: “I am indignant and sorry that the construction (in London - E. M.) is a heap of unsuccessful and ridiculous houses; that the streets in it are so narrow and inconvenient in the very center and in the most business and lively parts ... because this creates a labyrinth on the main thoroughfares ... "In the commission's recommendations, a requirement was made that the layout of the square should provide "beautiful and convenient detours.
    And what is the conclusion - in a few years, starting to build St. Petersburg, Peter the Great will take a lot into service. His ideas will come to fruition later, but the foundation is laid in his reign.
    1. General plan of the city. There will be many of them, not one will be completed. But this is a common property of such plans, none of them is fully implemented anywhere.
    2. The plans include wide streets and squares - architectural ensembles
    3. Stone construction
    4. Commission on stone construction (this was legalized later)
  10. +5
    3 February 2023 13: 21
    Here is a note about the civilized English.
    “London knew no pity, and its rude, cruel entertainments had a detrimental effect on fragile souls. Women were considered adults from the age of twelve (until 1885). Crime reigned everywhere, and in some parts of the city people could not sleep because of the heart-rending cries: "Kill!" Public floggings were a favorite sight, and even executions drew innumerable crowds.On the days of executions, festive-minded workers, shopkeepers and apprentices quit their jobs and crowded the streets with jokes and laughter, hoping to get at least one eye on the condemned.Rich ladies and gentlemen bought seats in the windows and balconies overlooking the road from Newgate Prison to Tyburn, where the executions took place, but the best places were considered to be on wooden platforms, which were then built so that nothing would interfere with the view. reared up and quartered. First, he was hung up by the neck, almost suffocating to death, then the rope was cut, his stomach was cut open alive, his head was cut off, and then his body was cut into four parts.
    Games and amusements also struck with bloodiness. Crowds of people forked out to see how bears and bulls were poisoned by a pack of angry mastiffs. Often the bear's teeth were filed, and the cornered animal could only fight off the dogs with its huge paws, and they jumped up and tore it with their teeth. Cockfights attracted gamblers, and large bets were placed on specially trained birds.
    Very soon, Peter the first had to pacify the streltsy rebellion. Educated Europeans accuse him of cruelty...
    1. +1
      3 February 2023 14: 26
      about London and England of that time, with all the "charms", is best written by Hugo "The Man Who Laughs"
  11. +4
    3 February 2023 13: 32
    "Лoндoн в 17 вeкe нacчитывaл бoлee 2000 кофеен. Пoceщaть их мoгли вce бeз иcключения. Зaплaтив нecкoльko пeнни, мoжнo былo ycтpaивaтьcя пoyдoбнeй, кypить тpyбкy, читaть гaзeты и вecти пpиятныe бeceды. Mнoгиe из этих зaвeдeний иcпoльзoвaлиcь для aзapтных paзвлeчeний. Зaядлыe игpoки peгyляpнo пpoвoдили здecь time, put real money, lost and risked their property.
    They immediately gathered according to their interests, the conversation could go about everything in the world. Gradually, a tradition developed to talk in one or another coffee house on certain topics related to politics, religion, literature, scientific ideas, commerce, shipping or agriculture. Depending on his own inclinations, the visitor chose which coffee shop to go to, entered, sat by the fire, sipped coffee and absorbed the whole palette of opinions, enjoyed brilliant, learned, passionate speeches. Masters of conversation could sharpen their wits here, writers shared creative difficulties with each other, politicians came to compromises, and lonely people simply warmed their souls. Marine insurance originates at Lloyd's coffee shop. Will always had a chair for the writer and educator Joseph Addison, by the fire in winter and near the window in summer.
    It should be added that trading in securities was in the hands of brokers. Investors sat in a coffee shop collecting information. Then they gave instructions to the brokers who came to the coffee shop about buying or selling. So to speak, an open business space.
    Incarnation in St. Petersburg - Austeria of four frigates on Troitskaya Square, opposite the Peter and Paul Fortress, opened in 1705. Nearby on the square is the port, Gostiny Dvor (not preserved), warehouses, customs, Peter's house, Trinity Church and much useful for merchants. Here they saluted the victories in the Northern War.
    To services of visitors - wine, vodka, beer, tobacco and cards. Peter I used to come here often.
    The current version of this is coworking.
  12. +4
    3 February 2023 13: 48
    Peter was faced with the task of modernizing Russia. He took the most interesting and important and transferred it to our soil. The capital of England in many ways served as a prototype of the new capital - St. Petersburg.
    "At the end of the 17th century, the Bank of England was founded, the British East India Company expanded its influence. Lloyd's store in London also began to operate at the end of the 17th century. In 1700, London handled 80% of England's imports, 69% of exports and 86% of re-exports. Many goods were luxury goods from the Americas and Asia, such as silk, sugar, tea and tobacco.The latter figure highlights London's role as a trading center: although there were many artisans in the 17th century and several large factories later, its economic importance was never based primarily in industry. Instead, it was a major trading and redistributing center. Goods were brought to London by the increasingly dominant English merchant fleet, not only to meet domestic demand, but to be re-exported throughout Europe and beyond."
  13. +3
    3 February 2023 13: 58
    The article is preceded by a portrait of the young Peter the Great.

    "
    During the same meeting, Wilhelm persuaded Peter to pose for the artist Godfrey Neller. The portrait he painted, according to contemporaries, was distinguished by an extraordinary resemblance to the original. Today, the portrait hangs in the Royal Gallery of the same Kensington Palace, where three hundred years ago there was talk of its creation.
    At the same time, the portrait also flattered Peter himself, presenting him in European armor, with an imperial crown and with maneuvers of warships in the background, even though then the Russian fleet, in fact, did not exist yet.
    Perhaps experts will tell you what kind of armor is depicted in the portrait?
    "Peter the Great was delighted with the device of the wind device installed in the gallery of Kensington Palace. The device was connected by rods to the weather vane on the roof and indicated the direction of the wind. Later, Peter installed the same device in his small Summer Palace near the Neva, in St. Petersburg."
  14. +5
    3 February 2023 14: 15
    Peter comprehended the theory of design in a pleasant company and in a comfortable environment.
    "The king met the designer of the yacht Royal Transport, which was built for him by King William. To Peter's surprise, this shipbuilder turned out to be a young man of a noble family and a big drinker, so he really liked the king. Peregrine Osborne, Marquis of Carmarthen, was son of the famous Denby, Duke of Leeds, Minister of Charles II. He, as it turned out, was distinguished by amazing skill not only in terms of drinking, but was also an excellent sailor and a talented designer. It was thanks to Carmarthen that Peter got acquainted with his now favorite drink - peppercorns. This the couple frequented the pub on Great Tower Street so often that it was renamed Tsarskaya Street. "
    1. +5
      3 February 2023 15: 36
      often visited the tavern on Great Tower Street
      Subsequently, that tavern (pub) was called Czar's Head and functioned until December 29, 1940, when it was bombed by the Luftwaffe during one of the raids on London. Now there is a faceless office building.
      1. +1
        3 February 2023 15: 47
        There are people who love Peter, and there are people who love London.)))
        1. +2
          3 February 2023 15: 55
          love London.
          I liked Newcastle better. However, I didn't stay there long.
  15. +3
    3 February 2023 14: 22
    And I put the article +. It’s quite normal for VO, albeit according to A. Tolstoy. And I liked the illustrations too. The author should not be upset.
    Anything is better than about the Russians from Samsonov wassat
    1. +3
      3 February 2023 14: 35
      And I put the article +. It’s quite normal for VO, albeit according to A. Tolstoy.
      There are still pluses in the plus sign!)))
  16. Fat
    +2
    3 February 2023 14: 37
    Why this tour of the Russian Tsar was called the "Great Embassy" can only be conjectured. There is no author's version.
    And the embassy was really very solid.
    Together with the three Grand Ambassadors, more than eighty
    nobles accompanied by servants. More than thirty people of various kinds of officials were traveling at the embassy - clerks, translators, interpreters, healers and
    other. A detachment of volunteers was attached to the embassy under the command of
    Prince A.M. Cherkassky. They were sent to study marine science. Detachment
    divided into three dozen, each with a foreman at the head. In the second it was Peter
    Mikhailov (king). There were thirty-five volunteers in all. With them - twelve
    servant man. Most of the members of the detachment consisted of scorers of Peter I.
    The embassy was followed by a guard detachment of fellow soldiers from
    sixty people led by Major J. Schmitt. From the stable order
    carriages with grooms departed, and so on. Thus, according to M.M.
    Bogoslovsky, the embassy was supposed to go on a trip consisting of about
    two hundred and fifty people.

    Preparations for the campaign began in the last decade of 1686. About 250 people and 1000 sledges, which carried not only personal property, but also gifts to European sovereigns. It was because of its large number that the embassy was called "great"
    PS
    One of the Transfiguration scorers, accompanied by Peter I, was Mikhail Ivanovich Shchepotiev, one of the influential associates of the tsar. In 1702, he supervised the construction of the Sovereign Road. In 1703, he commanded the Beer-Drager boat during its passage from the Olonets shipyard to St. Petersburg ...
    1. +4
      3 February 2023 14: 53
      Again, political work was carried out. For example, on June 22, 1689 (No. 1589), a decree was issued on friendship and mutual trade between Russia and the Brandenburg magistrate
  17. +6
    3 February 2023 14: 44
    A little more detail about the "Tobacco Deal"
    "The Orthodox Church has long forbade the use of the "ungodly potion" - tobacco. In 1634, Peter's grandfather, Tsar Michael, banned smoking or any other use of tobacco on pain of death. Then the punishment was weakened, and those who violated the ban were just torn out their nostrils. And yet with the influx of foreigners this habit spread to Russia, and it was not often punished. Tsar Alexei even allowed tobacco for a short time, introducing a state monopoly on the trade in it. But the church and all Russian adherents of antiquity still severely condemned smoking. Peter, of course, neglected this condemnation He was addicted to tobacco in his youth, every evening the king was seen with a long clay pipe in a friendly company of Germans and Dutch in the German settlement.Before leaving Russia with the Great Embassy, ​​Peter issued a decree allowing both the sale and smoking of tobacco.
    In England, whose colonies covered such famous tobacco-growing areas as Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina, the unexpected prospect of a vast new market excited many. Tobacco merchants have already turned to the king with a request to intercede for them before the king. It turned out that none other than Carmarthen, Peter's new friend, was especially interested in this deal, and it was quite easy for him to conclude it. When Carmarthen brought the Tsar a proposal from a group of English merchants regarding a tobacco monopoly in Russia, it immediately attracted the attention of the Tsar. First, he saw smoking as a Western custom whose widespread adoption would help break the iron grip of the Orthodox Church. And secondly, the proposal also promised a more tangible benefit: it promised an immediate flow of money. By this time, Peter and his embassy were desperate for funds. The costs of maintaining two and a half hundred Russians abroad were monstrous, and the subsidies of the host country did not save them. In addition, the representatives of the king hired sailors, naval officers, shipbuilders and other specialists in Holland. They all had to pay the initial subscription fee, the first paycheck, and travel expenses. In addition, the tsarist agents acquired so many goods, tools, machines and models that ten ships had to be chartered to carry this cargo and recruited people to Russia. The embassy's treasury kept emptying, and it continuously demanded the next huge sums of money to be sent from Moscow. However, the money was still not enough.
    In this situation, Carmarthen's proposal seemed irresistibly seductive to Peter. He offered to pay 20 British pounds for permission to import one and a half million pounds of tobacco into Russia duty-free and sell it on the Russian market without any restrictions. And most importantly, Carmarthen was ready to give an advance in cash right in London. The contract was signed on April 000, 16. How pleased Peter was can be judged by Lefort's response to the jubilant news that came from the king: Kind"
    The details of the transaction can be read in the corresponding decree of April 16, 1698 (I indicate the registry number No. 1628 exactly so as not to be likened to the distributors of fake Peter's decrees). On the import of 7 barrels of tobacco to Russia over a period of 10 years for sale, with the payment of duties of 4 kopecks per pound. And the barrels are described as follows: "... thousand pregnant barrels of toya herb nicocyanins must be brought in, pregnant barrels of 500 pounds of naked English weight have "
    Then there is a clause on the extension of the contract and an increase in volumes and, in fact, on the prepayment of those same 20 pounds. In addition, the whole transaction is described in great detail. The document is quite up to date.
    Subsequently, the tobacco trade passed into the hands of the state. There is a corresponding decree is also very interesting. But this is another story.
  18. +2
    3 February 2023 17: 01
    In Vienna, the embassy received a colder reception than in Holland and England. Emperor Leopold I almost openly mocked Peter, considered himself much higher than the Russian Tsar. It even took Peter a long time to get permission to meet with Leopold

    And where is that Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Dessau? There was not even a grave left for the descendants, and the whole family disappeared somewhere. No facts, just speculation
  19. +1
    4 February 2023 20: 41
    What is "settled in Deptford"? And how is it in Russian? And by the way, in the nominative case, not "hiring", but "hiring".

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