Bloomberg: The Russian president believes he has no alternative but to win the conflict in Ukraine

The President of Russia is preparing a new offensive in Ukraine and, apparently, hostilities there will drag on for years, writes the American edition of Bloomberg.

The publication notes that Moscow seeks to show that the Russian Armed Forces can again switch to a large-scale offensive, in order to put pressure on Kyiv and its Western partners in order to force them to negotiate. At the same time, the American authors of the publication add that the truce desired by Moscow should allow Russia to retain its occupied territories.

The Kremlin is keen to demonstrate that its troops can regain the initiative after several months of retreat.

- writes Bloomberg.

The authors of the publication believe that the last few months, Russia was accompanied by failures at the front, although it is not entirely clear what their conclusions are based on, especially in the last couple of months.

Now the Kremlin is more realistic about the situation at the front and understands that it will be a great achievement to hold the positions that are occupied by the Russian Armed Forces today.

- notes the publication.

However, the authors of the publication also express the opposite idea, saying further in an article in Bloomberg that Putin is still convinced that Russia has enough resources to continue the offensive.

In their opinion, a new major offensive by Russian troops in Ukraine should be expected in late winter or early spring 2023, before a new batch of Western weaponsIncluding Tanks. All this can drag out the conflict for years, emphasizes the publication.

The Russian president believes he has no alternative but to win the conflict in Ukraine as the economy and society increasingly adjust to the needs of the war

- sums up Bloomberg.

Comments

[Uprun]

80% of the population of Russia also does not see any other alternative, and it is still too early to negotiate, until all the lands of Russia are liberated, including the coastal regions of the Black Sea.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote from uprun

80% of the population of Russia also does not see any other alternative, and it is still too early to negotiate, until all the lands of Russia are liberated, including the coastal regions of the Black Sea.

Well, the war will continue for years.

[Smoker]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Well, the war will continue for years.

YES, we know how long the war will last, some from the West have forgotten ... Everything is just beginning .. We will take ours anyway ...

[sergo1914]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote from uprun

80% of the population of Russia also does not see any other alternative, and it is still too early to negotiate, until all the lands of Russia are liberated, including the coastal regions of the Black Sea.

Well, the war will continue for years.

Unlikely. It'll all be over in the summer. IMHO. With an unknown outcome.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: sergo1914

Unlikely. It'll all be over in the summer. IMHO. With an unknown outcome.

Before the summer-spring of next year, nothing will end.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: sergo1914

Unlikely. It'll all be over in the summer. IMHO. With an unknown outcome.

Before the summer-spring of next year, nothing will end.

Neither they nor us will have enough resources for this period in this format. There is not enough determination to switch to "everything for the front, everything for victory"

[Skeptic3]

In the eighties, Iran and Iraq had enough resources for eight years. And these are much poorer countries with much less developed industry. Why should there not be enough resources in this conflict?

[sergo1914]

Quote: Skeptik3

In the eighties, Iran and Iraq had enough resources for eight years. And these are much poorer countries with much less developed industry. Why should there not be enough resources in this conflict?

Bad example. Everything was different there. We have people who worked as advisers on both sides of the front in our military department.

[Skeptic3]

Can you please explain what is the main difference? Since you are lucky enough to study this issue in detail.

[Alex777]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Before the summer-spring of next year, nothing will end.

Do you think that the supply of tanks, in addition to the promised 200-300, will be continued more than once?
Or will those who are forcibly driven into mobilization fight steadfastly for a year?
Or will we not finish the infrastructure in Ukraine in six months?
Or are you confident in the unity of the States and Europe for the year ahead?
There are many more such questions that could be asked.

[Uprun]

I understand that you are ready to give 75% of your earnings to the green in the form of indemnity? Without this, he does not need the world, the green wants to impose a "tribute" on the entire population for several generations, and of course, all the riches of the bowels of Russia for free for 100 years.
Even in this case, no one will lift the sanctions, and they won’t let you into the “enlightened” geyrop, they will still force all our vigorous loaves to crumble ....... They want this, and you?

[Skeptic3]

In any case, it will take many years to pay back your earnings.
Either for the restoration and maintenance of the annexed territories, or for the payment of reparations.
There is no option when you do not need to pay.

[Kurganets-45]

you are mistaken, Russia has always had a budget surplus and investing in the restoration of destroyed territories will only accelerate our economy.

[Skeptic3]

I'm afraid you are wrong.
A specific example is the Crimea. Which costs billions of dollars annually. 70% of the Crimean budget is direct subsidies from Moscow.
This despite the fact that nothing needed to be restored in Crimea.

[Uprun]

It's like paying off a mortgage or renting someone else's home. Either you pay for your own or give it to your uncle / aunt for someone else's, but at the same time you are free as a bird in flight, not burdened with real estate. For everything in our world you have to pay, for the sale - taxes, for the acquisition - investments.

[Skeptic3]

I don’t remember that in 2021 it was necessary to bear any expenses related to the conduct of the JWO.

[Vladimir 290]

So Aron is an Israeli, you and I will need to give back. So the question is in the wrong place.

[Epaulettes]

Quote from uprun

I understand that you are ready to give 75% of your earnings to the green in the form of indemnity? They want it, do you?

And as I understand it, you are ready for a couple of millions of healthy able-bodied population to die on our side in the name of Victory?
But tell me, we have more territories, they need to be restored and raised, developed, how are you going to do this when workers die on the fronts, who could both work directly for restoration, and indirectly - working for the Russian economy as a whole?
You voice your plan for the vision of the future, and we read it.

[Shooting]

This is just the beginning, and not entirely sure. The war is not with Ukraine, but with the empire of the dollar, so the opposing side does not have a leader and a capital. Here on this and for a long time. In sho according to K. Marx. He laid out the whole macroeconomics on the shelves. The war is going on with CAPITAL

[Rome]

To negotiate with whom? In principle, there should be no negotiations with neo-fascists! The change of power is a chance to preserve the statehood of Ukraine! Alternative: everything will be Russia! Puppeteers in the West should know about this

[Geosun]

Quote: Eroma

To negotiate with whom? In principle, there should be no negotiations with neo-fascists!

With them, you can perfectly negotiate their surrender!

[Alex777]

Quote: Eroma

The change of power is a chance to preserve the statehood of Ukraine!

There is no such chance.

[dmi.pris1]

I think that even more percent. But it seems that the Kremlin still sees the option to "negotiate" if something goes wrong ..

[Epaulettes]

Quote from uprun

80% of the Russian population also sees no other alternative.

It is even strange that with such a percentage, only 18 people signed up as volunteers during the mobilization.

[Skeptic3]

It's easy to explain.

18 people are ready to support the NWO in word and deed. This is 000% of the population of the Russian Federation.

The rest are either ready to support only with a word, sitting on the couch, or they are afraid of the responsibility for expressing a different point of view.

In such a situation, any decision of the Russian authorities will be accepted by society without noise and dust.
With an active protest of 0,013% of the population, in which case, the National Guard will cope without difficulty.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Shoulder straps

It is even strange that with such a percentage, only 18 people signed up as volunteers during the mobilization.

Well, what kind of "ulcer" are you, however) These percentages prefer to get by with battle pictures on avatars. And to fight on our own, that’s fine, sir, there are a lot of things to do at home

[Popandos]

it's too early to negotiate

Why lead them at all?
Everything must end with the signing of surrender.

[sleeve]

Negotiations after Odessa and the referendum there, in Kharkov and on the entire left bank with Nikolaev. Ukraine, a la 1654, is a good neighbor in terms of size and capabilities.

[Cobra]

A complete transition of the economy to a military economy, there is no other way. You can't be a little pregnant.

[dmi.pris1]

The Kremlin shows the opposite. You can be "a little pregnant." They deny war in every possible way.

[Epaulettes]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

From the war in every possible way disown.

Because a full-fledged war is a colossal expenditure of money, and our enemy has several hundred times more of them.

[dmi.pris1]

And this "operation", isn't it a colossal waste of money? We can't do that against the strongest economies. Are we at war a little, a little not? It doesn't happen.

[Epaulettes]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

And this "operation", isn't it a colossal waste of money? We can't do that against the strongest economies. Are we at war a little, a little not? It doesn't happen.

Here on a neighboring resource, people wrote a completely logical idea, I will copy this message here, perhaps:

And what do you need? Official declaration of war?
What are you going to live on then? Russia will no longer be able to sell resources to the West, this will be interpreted as high treason.
But she will no longer be able to sell them to India or China either - the West will regard this as financing and sponsoring a war against itself and will impose the same sanctions against these countries as against Russia.

And where do you pay your pensions? Other social? To finance medicine, science, industry?

Sometimes you need to think with your head, and not just eat in it.

And you write that you have to give up some goodies. No, not from buns, but from almost everything.

[Skeptic3]

The Russian Federation, in any case, will not be able to do a simple straight head-on butting. Too unequal strength. What is needed here are creative political decisions capable of forcing the enemy to sit down at the negotiating table or at least be forced to accept the existing "status quo".

[Epaulettes]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Yes, you have to give up some goodies, limit yourself.

You tell this to the inhabitants of our new regions. That they joined Russia in order to live in hardships and restrictions for years to come.
By the way, the government has already promised the entire social program to the new regions - https://russian.rt.com/business/article/1102465-pravitelstvo-socvyplaty-donbass-regiony

Will you comment?

[Skeptic3]

The enemy has "only" 20-30 times more of them, and not several hundred. And the enemy, in addition, is very greedy. Counts every penny spent. However, the odds in his favor are so great that only a miracle can save the day.

[Two]

After the collapse of the peace talks he helped orchestrate last April, Abramovich is now pushing for more concrete action on prisoner exchanges, grain out of Ukraine and ammonia out of Russia, the WSJ notes.
And then they will call ayavrik! Without this dandruff!

[alexey_444]

Mr. obvious, when you need to write something and there is no information. Putin is so afraid of tanks that he will advance before they arrive. You have to praise yourself. Where are the experts? Well, we have much more tanks than the orcs, but what's the point, the front has stood and will stand. 300 hundreds of our tanks near Prokhorovka have already shown that the tanks themselves do not solve anything, it is the complex superiority of forces that decides. And we don't have it yet, I hope so far.

[Skeptic3]

What are your hopes based on? Due to what the Russian Federation can get a "complex superiority of forces?".

[rotmistr60]

The Kremlin is keen to demonstrate that its troops can regain the initiative after several months of retreat.

Bloomberg, it's time to descend from the skies of "Ukrainian victories" and honestly say who has the initiative on the battlefield today. And at the same time, finally, honestly calculate the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Well, it's not possible to lie all the time knowing that there are other sources of information besides you. By the way, did you also get paid for commissioned articles from Soros?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: rotmistr60

Bloomberg, it's time to descend from the skies of "Ukrainian victories" and honestly say who has the initiative on the battlefield today

The information space of the West is under total control, and if a particular person is not specifically interested, then he will only listen to bloombergs, moreover, from every iron. And it is not only possible to lie for money, but also this work.

Quote: rotmistr60

at the same time, finally, honestly calculate the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

There was no time to look for confirmation, but it seems like the zaluzhny one reported to the curators just now: under a quarter of a million losses, to voice such a thing - the Western public will have their hair on end ... and they will continue to sip their morning latte

[Commissioner_Wolf]

*After winning this war, it is required to declare a new war: War on corruption, war on army edging, parade review and fraud, war on electoral fraud, war on illiterate domestic politics, war on the oligarchy, war on illiterate social policy, War on MTO Armed Forces not fulfilling their duties, the war against the Police and Business-VChKshny arbitrariness, the war against the illiteracy of the population and the illiteracy of the educational process. *

* - Humor, we are talking about the Republic of Côte d'Ivoire.

[dump22]

WWII experience. All for the front, all for victory. Maximum stress.

Closing borders, switching to cards, compulsory subscription to military loans, a ban on changing jobs, a six-day work week.
Well, full mobilization, of course.

[Skeptic3]

It is strange that with such a cool turbo-patriotic attitude, you are not yet in the military enlistment office.

For reference: Russia's GDP is about 2% of the world's. The GDP of the conditional "West" is about 50-60% of the world's.
Even if the Russian Federation throws all available resources at the NVO, it will not be difficult for the West to compensate for this by delivering even larger volumes of even more lethal weapons.

[Kurganets-45]

And what is the real specific share in world GDP of countries? And how many tanks and cannon artillery and other ground equipment? What are the rates of its production? How many experienced fighters can these countries mobilize, train, accommodate, feed, provide logistics, what is the real percentage that, for example, Spain will get involved in a war during its (war) escalation? and so on and so forth and so on..
No one can predict the end of this war.
The same France has fewer tanks than Belarus, and even Mongolia has more tanks than France.

[Skeptic3]

Your questions are correct. I will try to answer them.

I heard that in NATO textbooks they write that the result of a long military conflict is determined by the ratio of the resources of the parties. The task of the armed forces is only to formalize this result in an acceptable form.

The fact is that resources are converted into each other.
Let's say you have few tanks, but a lot of money. You can buy tanks.
Or you have few soldiers, but a lot of technology (and money!). You can build powerful weapons that will cause great damage to the enemy with a small number of soldiers.
And so on.

A specific example is the United States in the era of the Second World War. In 1940 they had a lot of money, technology, people and territories. But there was practically no land army and weapons for war on land. For 2-3 years, they converted people into military personnel, and money and technology into new weapons.

As for the number of tanks, we could clearly see, using the example of the SVO, that the number is not the main thing.

[dump22]

No one can predict the end of this war

The problem is that even if someone can, who will listen to him?

Just ONE month after the start of the war, the German Reich Minister of Economics, Hjalmar Schacht, was already writing that Germany was doomed. And he predicted this not on the basis of an analysis of military forces, weapons, a comparison of tactics, ideology, etc., but precisely as an economist, for purely economic reasons. Several times he wrote about this to both Hitler and Goering, but this only achieved that he was removed from the post of Reich Minister.

[Skeptic3]

I would like to add that on August 14, 1941, the Atlantic Charter was adopted by the Allies.

"The Atlantic Charter was intended to determine the structure of the world after the Allied victory in World War II, despite the fact that the United States had not yet entered the war. It served as the basis for the creation of the United Nations, as well as the basis for the future political and economic world order as a whole."
(c) Wikipedia

In other words, the future defeat of Germany was obvious to the Allies in the summer of 1941, when German tanks were rapidly advancing towards Moscow.

[dump22]

with such a cool turbo-patriotic attitude, you are not yet in the military registration and enlistment office

And who told you that I allegedly approve and support such steps?
I just listed the future sequence for tightening nuts and belts.
And this, alas, will be, regardless of our desire and attitude towards it.

And, I think, sooner or later they will also drive me to the military registration and enlistment office, despite my age, health and active unwillingness. Yes, and you too. We won't be able to sit.

But I can tell you even more about various references about the sad reality.

[Skeptic3]

Your posts are very powerful. And interesting.
I noticed that you have already been given 4 minuses and not a single plus for the sentence "everything for the front, everything for victory."
Which once again confirms the presence of only couch militarism and "patriotism" among those present. Almost no one is ready to make personal sacrifices for victory.
I assume that this is the main constraint on the further escalation of the conflict, contrary to the wishes of the Russian authorities.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Soon it will all be. And then the army march on Moscow and the new year 1917. And thank God.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

The seizure of land and the subjugation of foreign nations, the ruin of a competing nation, the plunder of its wealth, diverting the attention of the working masses from the internal political crises of Russia, Germany, England and other countries, the division and nationalist fooling of the workers and the extermination of their vanguard in order to weaken the revolutionary movement of the proletariat - such the only real content, meaning and meaning of modern war"

[Proud]

rotten stuff of a hundred years ago. Russia is now waging a national liberation and anti-colonial struggle. It is fighting against the Western core of the capital system, against Western hegemony (if you are a Marxist, then this is called the fight against American imperialism and neo-colonialism), is fighting for the reunification of Russian lands, against the filthy Ukrainian fascist state ruled by the pro-American junta.