Poland is going to transfer PT-91 tanks to Ukraine in addition to Leopard 2

Besides tanks German-made Leopard, the Polish authorities are ready to transfer to Ukraine and Polish-made PT-91 tanks in the amount of 60 pieces. This was stated by Prime Minister of Poland Mateusz Morawiecki.

According to the head of the Polish government, the supply of modern tanks is very important for Ukraine. After all, Russia, Morawiecki noted, may have up to 15 tanks at its disposal, and Ukraine should be able to counter them with a large number of its own armored vehicles.

Morawiecki also recalled that Poland was the first country to supply 250 tanks to Ukraine. Now Warsaw is preparing to transfer 14 Leopard 2 tanks and 60 upgraded PT-91 tanks.

The Polish prime minister noted the need for "perseverance and openness" of the West in terms of supporting Ukraine. Otherwise, Kyiv may lose in this conflict. Therefore, Warsaw is not only engaged in the transfer of its weapons, but also constantly puts pressure on other countries so that they also supply military equipment to Ukraine.

Recall that the PT-91 Twardy is a Polish main battle tank, which was based on the license of the Soviet T-72M1 tank. Serial production of the RT-91 began in 1995 and continued until 2002. During this time, 232 tanks were produced. While the tanks continue to be in service with the Polish Army, but given the amount transferred to Ukraine, Warsaw does not greatly value these combat vehicles. Apparently, the Polish authorities are counting on the Abrams tanks, which have already been ordered for the Polish army in the United States.

Comments

[Aaron Zawi]

I think before the end of the year the Poles will give all Leo and all RT. Given their agreement on the supply of Abrams and K-2, they plan to have only two models of tanks. One division on Abrams and 4 on K-2.

[Civil]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

I think before the end of the year the Poles will give all Leo and all RT. Given their agreement on the supply of Abrams and K-2, they plan to have only two models of tanks. One division on Abrams and 4 on K-2.

This is going to ... besides, the Americans have already caught up with their armies in the Baltic states with full armament ...

[svp67]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

I think before the end of the year the Poles will give all Leo and all RT.

That the Tvyards will give it back is already clear, but with the Leo ... I think that they will hold on to the brand new Leo-2A6PZ for the time being, these will go the very last ...

[TermNachTer]

A6 is quite new and good, it's a pity. A4 - you can not regret it, especially since the Poles will knock out money from Brussels under it.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Cobra

Yes, that's exactly what they plan to do. The complete disposal of Russian equipment should be, as you write, Abrams / K-2 tanks and Borsuk / K-21 armored personnel carriers. Everything they have will go to Ukraine, T-72, PT-92, BMP-1, Mig29 and all the rest

By itself. But now they have the opportunity to get away from the headache in logistics and they use it. The war is still long.

[Cobra]

Yes, that's exactly what they plan to do. The complete disposal of Russian equipment should be, as you write, Abrams / K-2 tanks and Borsuk / K-21 armored personnel carriers. Everything they have will go to Ukraine, T-72, PT-92, BMP-1, Mig29 and all the rest

[Smoker]

A vigorous loaf - that's what will stop all deliveries ... There are still those who doubt the possibility of using this, but soon it will become a reality ... we will be led to this, with possible deliveries of such to Ukraine ... A blow of a fucking loaf in Poland will enlighten overseas gentlemen .. and I assure you no one will move against Russia anymore ...

[Sailor]

This will be the real "RED LINE", otherwise our leadership will soon run out of all red markers!

[Torins Narkuas]

Vigorous loaf - that's what will stop all deliveries ...

The meaning of nuclear weapons is that any of their combat use will provoke a worldwide Armageddon, and given the fact that in Russia most of the population lives in large cities that will be destroyed ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Smoker

A vigorous loaf - that's what will stop all deliveries ... There are still those who doubt the possibility of using this, but soon it will become a reality ... we will be led to this, with possible deliveries of such to Ukraine ... A blow of a fucking loaf in Poland will enlighten overseas gentlemen .. and I assure you no one will move against Russia anymore ...

Yes, stop writing nonsense. If the United States did not use nuclear weapons against North Vietnam, then it is clear that no one will use it in this local conflict either.

[Vladimir80]

so you don’t have to act in the logic of the Americans who are directing this war, why can’t you use a military facility (!) Of a country that is not yet in NATO, then you can even apologize at the UN site and promise to punish the guilty who mixed up the charges for a cruise missile ...

[Carat]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Yes, stop writing nonsense. If the United States did not use nuclear weapons against North Vietnam, then it is clear that no one will use it in this local conflict either.

This is not a local conflict. This is not a war between Russia and Ukraine. This is a war between Russia and the United States and its satellites.

[insafufa]

Quote: Carat

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Yes, stop writing nonsense. If the United States did not use nuclear weapons against North Vietnam, then it is clear that no one will use it in this local conflict either.

This is not a local conflict. This is not a war between Russia and Ukraine. This is a war between Russia and the United States and its satellites.

Well, Vietnam also had an impressive list of allies, the same as Ukraine, for starters, and the southerners also had an impressive list of allies, but the northerners still had more allies.

[Smoker]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Smoker

A vigorous loaf - that's what will stop all deliveries ... There are still those who doubt the possibility of using this, but soon it will become a reality ... we will be led to this, with possible deliveries of such to Ukraine ... A blow of a fucking loaf in Poland will enlighten overseas gentlemen .. and I assure you no one will move against Russia anymore ...

Yes, stop writing nonsense. If the United States did not use nuclear weapons against North Vietnam, then it is clear that no one will use it in this local conflict either.

It’s nonsense you write .. And the use of a vigorous loaf is quite real, moreover, more than ever ... And many analysts recognize this ... It’s stupid, very stupid to compare Vietnam, located thousands of kilometers from the USA and Ukraine. You better think about Cuba and the Caribbean crisis - Kennedy was not joking then ... And the fact that everyone realizes that Russia's loss means its virtual disappearance, the fucking loaf is getting closer ... and only you continue to compare with some kind of Vietnam ... We in Syria are not ready for the same were to use a fucking loaf, but for Ukraine - we can use it, you can rest assured ... Lord, has the world really become so stupid? Self-confident idiots .... then they will think, how did it happen? (if anyone can think at all ...)

[solar]

and for Ukraine - applicable, you can rest assured

You write so confidently, as if you personally solve such issues ...

[Smoker]

Quote from solar

and for Ukraine - applicable, you can rest assured

You write so confidently, as if you personally solve such issues ...

And if so, in fact?


Here is what Bloomberg writes:
The Russian president believes he has no alternative but to win the conflict in Ukraine as the economy and society increasingly adjust to the needs of the war

[insafufa]

Quote: Smoker

Idiots are arrogant...

This is you to yourself

[Artemion3]

What are you talking about, at least we need to destroy the bridges across the Dnieper and important railway junctions for a start.

[Egeny]

Baton, of course, is a strong argument, only the trees of the outskirts, but also the heads of the surviving population will "glow" in the dark.

[private person]

only "glow" in the dark will be not only the trees of the outskirts, but also the heads of the surviving population.

Let them shine better than they will spoil.

[Incvizitor]

This vigorous loaf should have been when deliveries began.

[APASUS]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

I think before the end of the year the Poles will give all Leo and all RT.

By the end of the year, the Poles will take all the places in the Armed Forces of Ukraine

[donavi49]

No. Under the contract, by the end of 23, they will have 2 K2 battalions and a training center. Also, 2 battalions should bring Abrams.

In total, they will "free themselves" - 100-120 tanks. That's just the first 2 battalions are already being allocated. Another 2 battalions will be allocated in the summer-autumn. Further, only a temporary reduction in our own fleet (that is, if the situation is urgently required).

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: donavi49

No. Under the contract, by the end of 23, they will have 2 K2 battalions and a training center. Also, 2 battalions should bring Abrams.

In total, they will "free themselves" - 100-120 tanks. That's just the first 2 battalions are already being allocated. Another 2 battalions will be allocated in the summer-autumn. Further, only a temporary reduction in our own fleet (that is, if the situation is urgently required).

And why should they hurry if today and in a year the RF Armed Forces will be tied to Ukraine with all their might? Yes, and the American tank division drove to them.

[Romanenko]

They will disarm themselves, fools.
It will be possible to take Poland with bare hands :)))
(sad joke)

[Murmur 55]

Poland is right ahead of the rest!!! And what is the interest of Warsaw, in the return of Lviv, why then are they pumped up with weapons, driving Ukraine into debt?

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Murmur 55

And what is the interest of Warsaw,

And among the Poles, anti-Sovietism and Russophobia outweigh all logic!

[Murmur 55]

Uncle lee , do not tell me, according to the Russophobic logic, they should have got rid of Soviet equipment and weapons in the first years of "independence" and have not been pulling up to this moment.

[credo]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Quote: Murmur 55

And what is the interest of Warsaw,

And among the Poles, anti-Sovietism and Russophobia outweigh all logic!

According to the fantasies of a crazy electrician from the Gdansk shipyard

"... Warsaw and Berlin currently have a unique opportunity to "deal" with Russia and China.".

So a certain logic is visible in Poland.

[Vladimir80]

And among the Poles, anti-Sovietism and Russophobia outweigh all logic

the logic of our commerce and towers suffers - the Poles supply the entire range of weapons for the destruction of Russian citizens, and we buy consumer goods from psheks at exorbitant prices !!!!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Murmur 55

Poland is right ahead of the rest!!! And what is the interest of Warsaw, in the return of Lviv, why then are they pumped up with weapons, driving Ukraine into debt?

Why do they need Lviv? After the war, they receive all of Ukraine as a junior partner

[Bomb]

And why does Warsaw need Lviv? comment is too short

[Murmur 55]

Bomb , to return my this time, the second I don’t think that Warsaw forgot about the Volyn massacre, and the glorification of a certain organism (I don’t even want to write a surname).

[svp67]

Quote: Murmur 55

And what is the interest of Warsaw,

In the desire to replace Germany in the position of "Leader of the EU" and prevent France from getting in there.

[North Caucasus]

How can Poland become the leader of Europe? That received subsidies, and then suddenly again and the leader? Does she have a technological breakthrough there on cheap raw materials and energy resources? If you become an apple or strawberry country and become a monopolist in this market, then it can and will become the leader of apples and strawberries. And that is doubtful. With the growth of production costs in the EU, no one will help the neighbors. We wouldn't breathe on our own. The EU may soon collapse and bury all these pseudo-independent territories.

[svp67]

Quote: North Caucasus

That received subsidies, and then suddenly again and the leader?

Well, she spent them not on drinking, but on development.

Quote: North Caucasus

Does she have a technological breakthrough there on cheap raw materials and energy resources?

She now receives it much cheaper and, most importantly, in large volumes than Germany

Quote: North Caucasus

With the growth of production costs in the EU, no one will help the neighbors.

And it is the Poles who are the first to do this.

[Stella Haddad]

Quote: North Caucasus

How can Poland become the leader of Europe? That received subsidies, and then suddenly again and the leader? Does she have a technological breakthrough there on cheap raw materials and energy resources? If you become an apple or strawberry country and become a monopolist in this market, then it can and will become the leader of apples and strawberries. And that is doubtful. With the growth of production costs in the EU, no one will help the neighbors. We wouldn't breathe on our own. The EU may soon collapse and bury all these pseudo-independent territories.

The EU will collapse with the same degree of probability as Russia. Gas prices are steadily falling, so alas, your strategy did not materialize.

[Murmur 55]

svp67, do you think the WEIGHT of the economies of Warsaw and Berlin is comparable? Or do they want to become nominally the main ones, like Brussels?

[svp67]

Quote: Murmur 55

Do you think the WEIGHT of the economies of Warsaw and Berlin is comparable?

Not yet, but the balance is clearly beginning to change in favor of Poland. They have an annual GDP growth of 3 to 5%, do not remind me, but what is it with us?

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Murmur 55

What is the interest of Warsaw

The main interest of Warsaw is to weaken Russia as much as possible in a protracted war with Ukraine.
The debts of Ukraine are on the 22nd place in the list of interests of the Poles.

[Murmur 55]

Alexey Sommer , Poles love money and know how to count, therefore, I don’t believe in the gratuitousness of Warsaw and the fact that debts for them are in 22nd place.

[Alexey Sommer]

I didn’t say free, just finances are not in the first place.
They will receive finance if they manage to win back Ukraine from us.
And much more than the cost of all weapons supplied by Poland to Ukraine.

[Murmur 55]

Aleksey Sommer, yeah, if they succeed, then I think that they are unlikely to be allowed to share, there are heavier players there, why would they even let Poland in.

[KolVisin]

Not certainly in that way. What to give to Ukraine for debts, except for the territories?

[AAC]

There is money today, but not tomorrow. Territories are a little different.

[gromit]

Warsaw's interest in the rearmament of its own army and the growth of influence within the EU and outside it.

No need to ascribe to the Poles a petty desire to return Lviv. Their ambitions are much wider.
There is the Russian world, but there is also the Polish world.

The Poles already have a special legal status in Ukraine. And they regard the capture of any settlement by our troops as aggression against them personally.

In general, there is a lot in common between the worldview of Poles and Russians.
Those. on the one hand, Ukraine has been a separate country for several decades, and on the other hand, what the hell? This is generally historically our land!

Well, imagine if the national republics of the Russian Federation fall off and the Russians become a mono-ethnic state? And so for a hundred years they will chew among themselves historical injustice, missed opportunities, mistakes ...

It is worth picking up strength again and few will seem to anyone.
Do you think that if the Poles from the Germans demand reparations, this is such a joke?
No, this is in all seriousness. And their Vilna and their Minsk and their Crimea, too.

[Skeptic3]

Warsaw's interest is to prevent the RF Armed Forces from approaching the Polish border. Is not it so?

[sanik2020]

More recently, Poland was proud of these tanks, even keeping their technology and capabilities a secret. Now, with the transition to Korean and American tanks, Poland abandoned its own tank production, recognizing its inability to do so.

[lukash66]

These idiots can take the greatest commander by the button, and soon but ask? You, the mudlan, had about a thousand of your own, ready to varying degrees. We also gave you about 300 pieces. The question is, where is it all?

[North Caucasus]

You can of course take other people's tanks. What about pennies? Nema? Well, tody taba credit! Listen! Where are you going to get money for a loan? You don't have anything! Everything is written for foreigners! Lelik you are a hungry man! How is the development of events (a scene from the film with Papanov)?

[donavi49]

Twardy is an export car, already without any special secrets.

own tank production

Error. They realized that:
a) Tvardy is still yesterday. Even if, following the example of Chekhov, shove Perkins into it for 1200 forces and make it long-legged, then the tank will not become the last generation from this.
b) Poland simply does not have the opportunity to create a new platform, even taking into account the maximum cooperation with the EU and the USA.
c) It won't pay off. Why another tank on the market, where everything is divided? Especially the Polish tank. They miraculously managed to sell Tward only to Malaysia. And they drove to all possible exhibitions for 8 years.

However, own production remains - 820 K2PL, on assembly lines delivered from Korea. Also, the final localization will be higher than 75%. Therefore, their conditional plant Bumar - not only will not close, but on the contrary will be modernized, recruit more people, open new workshops and will be loaded with work until the 30s.

[Stella Haddad]

Quote: sanik2020

More recently, Poland was proud of these tanks, even keeping their technology and capabilities a secret. Now, with the transition to Korean and American tanks, Poland abandoned its own tank production, recognizing its inability to do so.

Why do they need the production of an obsolete T-72 when they are assembling the Korean K2?

[fuel oil]

If there is no worthy and firm answer to all these actions, of course they will. These will end, and Abrams and K-2 will be used. If this is not enough power, tactical nuclear charges will be used (so far, apparently, they will "manage" shells with a uranium tip). Now this is not the end of history, this is its beginning ... The beginning of the end of European civilization is for sure. The Yankees understand, they seem to be in no danger because of the distance to them. And the Europeans are counting on ... Apparently, the current leaders have trouble with geography .

[North Caucasus]

.And the Europeans are counting on ... Apparently, the current leaders have trouble with geography

They seem to have like bad dancers - big genitals, for which they are firmly held!

[rotmistr60]

it was Poland that became the first country to supply 250 tanks to Ukraine

And where are they, and in addition to the Polish, Czech, Slovak ... if Kyiv requires more tanks? They didn’t prick Poland at one time with a dose of haloperidol, and the result is on the face - schizophrenia, manic state, delusional disorders. And not only in Poland. CNN on a blue eye gave out the numbers of destroyed tanks in the conflict:
- Russia has lost more than 600;
- Ukraine, attention 450,
which also speaks of the complete mental breakdown of the American media.

[Murmur 55]

rotmistr60 , there is a list of NON-KILLED, well, not very small, they were vaccinated from the other pole of power.

[AAC]

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html

Objective photoproof counting. The most interesting with notes: abandoned and captured. It turns out that we supply each other with equipment quite well.

[Tarasios]

at least 60 tanks, at least 160. As long as these tanks are being ground by Russia faster than they are being produced, everything is ok.

[Egeny]

"these tanks are being ground by Russia"
Too bad it's on the front lines.

[Skeptic3]

Tanks are burning and people are dying on both sides. Those. do you think that the massacre of each other by the Slavs is ok?

[Tagan]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

After the war, they receive all of Ukraine as a junior partner

They were late. Yes, and the gut is thin. A manic stubbornness is unlikely to save them.

[Aaron Zawi]

Let's see when the war is over.

[alexey_444]

If it goes at such a pace, America's budget for the war will end not in the summer, but in the spring. And chickens are counted in the fall, as they say.

[Tagan]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Let's see when the war is over.

Yes, there is nothing to see here. Do not pull Russia to these undersized people.

[Skeptic3]

Are you kidding? You could at least google something about GDP, the level of technological development, military-industrial potential. Or have you already been blocked?

[Slavs B]

Quote from Egeni

Baton, of course, is a strong argument, only the trees of the outskirts, but also the heads of the surviving population will "glow" in the dark.

And Ukraine is close to our own regions. Everyone somehow forgot about Chernobyl. I write as a resident of the Rostov region

[Slavs B]

Quote: rotmistr60

it was Poland that became the first country to supply 250 tanks to Ukraine

And where are they, and in addition to the Polish, Czech, Slovak ... if Kyiv requires more tanks? They didn’t prick Poland at one time with a dose of haloperidol, and the result is on the face - schizophrenia, manic state, delusional disorders. And not only in Poland. CNN on a blue eye gave out the numbers of destroyed tanks in the conflict:
- Russia has lost more than 600;
- Ukraine, attention 450,
which also speaks of the complete mental breakdown of the American media.

By the way, good question. Recently, everywhere in the TG channels they published statistics on the supply of weapons to Ukraine, incl. and tanks from foreign countries. There the bill was in the hundreds. Now Ukraine again requires (does not ask, which would be logical) tanks and more modern ones. So where did the hundreds of tanks that have already been delivered, plus their own, disappeared?

[Cobra]

It is said that they keep the best equipment in reserve and are waiting for new deliveries, as well as the best units. The worst equipment and mobilized militia go to the front. The best units are saved for a possible offensive.

[Pavel57]

In terms of the combination of qualities, it is close to the T-72B3.

[Tagan]

Quote: Skeptik3

Are you kidding? You could at least google something about GDP, the level of technological development, military-industrial potential. Or have you already been blocked?

I see Google didn't help you much. Because it's not too much to think about. Well, since Google replaces your mind, then google about the structure of GDP (and not anything), resources. You may realize that simple arithmetic alone is not enough here. You yourself seem to know little about the military-industrial potential. All of Europe taken together does not produce as many weapons and ammunition as Russia alone produces, not to mention that it does not have as many weapons (Europe).
Moreover, since initially the conversation was only about Poland, then who is joking here? Do you really believe that Poland is able to compete with Russia? Even the GDP in your understanding cannot be stuck here.