There - behind the Great Chinese drug wall

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There - behind the Great Chinese drug wall


XNUMXs epidemic


People over the age of 35-40 remember very well the real epidemic of drug poisoning from the fentanyl group, which was observed in the XNUMXs. Since fentanyls were supplied mainly from China, they were collectively referred to as "white Chinese", which now seems to have been transferred to the so-called precursors.



It would seem that the decline in the supply of fentanyl has removed the problem of this kind of drug sabotage. But that was not the case: China is finding more and more new types of psychoactive substances that are little known to Russian law enforcement agencies, and therefore can be sold almost freely.

Dashing nineties and the Soviet legacy


Let's start with a necessary historical digression.

The phrase "white Chinese" usually refers to the strongest of the fentanyl group of drugs - trimethylfentanyl. Although often under this name they unite the entire group of fentanyl.

History The emergence of this drug dates back to the times when the Russian and the Chinese, as it was sung in the song, were brothers forever. With an incomprehensible purpose, the USSR tried to synthesize this drug, of course, only for medical purposes. But, apparently, the chemists were a little frightened of the deadly effect: an excess of a few grains led to death.

Then the Soviet chemical industry did not find anything better than to transfer technology to China. The Chinese brought the formula to mind, filling up almost the whole world with trimethylfentanyl as a result. In the nineties, the situation returned to the countries of the already collapsed USSR like a boomerang: China began to supply it to Russia and Kazakhstan, from where it spread across one sixth of the land.

A holy place is never empty


The popularity of the "white Chinese" began to decline and almost disappeared due to numerous cases of fatal overdose. In the XNUMXs, the deadly potion almost disappeared from the Russian market, especially since the relevant authorities made titanic efforts to cover all retail outlets, raided nightclubs, etc.

But in the same tenths, China began to flood Russia with other synthetic drugs, which in everyday life received the names "salts" and "spices". At first, all this was sold under the guise of flavorings and bath mixtures (hence the name "salts"). Then the State Drug Control Service added supposedly harmless and legal substances to the list of drugs.

But, again, it didn't end there. The last high-profile precedent for the smuggling of Chinese psychoactive substances into Russia occurred in 2022. The verdict against a resident of Vyborg for smuggling was passed in December, right before the New Year.

The Russian ordered a parcel from China with 500 grams of spice mix. The customs office checked this parcel and at the address it was supposed to arrive, identified the customer, during a search in his garage they found another 4 kg of ready-made drugs. The recipient of the smuggling was sentenced to 10 years in a strict regime.

Their morals


Given the common border, China supplies Russia not only with drugs and raw materials for their manufacture, but also with precursors used by underground chemists as auxiliary substances. These can be both banal acetic anhydride, red phosphorus and crystalline iodine, as well as substances less common on the Russian black market.

In particular, in mid-2022, 848 kg of precursors banned in Russia for free circulation arrived in Vladivostok from China. The cargo arrived under forged documents at the address of the seaside company. It was written in the documents that this is a substance used in the chemical industry.

However, the customs did not believe such a silly letter, because the precursors were transported in plastic barrels, which is not typical for official deliveries of chemicals. Precursors are imported into Russia only with the permission of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In this case, of course, there was no permission.

Russia and the CIS countries are not the only victims of Chinese drug traffickers. True, Western countries reacted more quickly to the influx of drugs from China. In the United States, the latest wave of poisonings with Chinese synthetics was in 2016, when spices appeared in New York, previously unknown to anti-trafficking authorities.

Pushers called this drug "AK-47". The picture was complicated by the fact that those who used it fell into a stupor and practically did not understand anything. It turned out that the spice was based on the drug AB-FUBINACA from the pharmaceutical company Pfizer.

Play on nerves


A leak from the company of the formula of the drug under unclear circumstances led to the fact that Chinese underground chemists modified it and added additional ingredients to the composition of the spice. As a result, those who used it had the strongest changes in the nervous system.

In 2022, fentanyl was found to be supplied in the US. Despite the fact that there were fewer cases of mass poisoning than in the aforementioned 2016, the danger was assessed by federal drug enforcement agents as colossal. The number of lethal doses of fentanyl was such that every American could be killed.

As it turned out, the drug was supplied from Mexico, but there in the laboratories it was made from Chinese raw materials. Due to the lack of a common border with China, fentanyl of Chinese origin appeared in America and Europe much later than in Russia, about ten years ago.

At the same time, apparently due to the fact that Western civilization was not very ready for such contact with Chinese criminals (unlike the border regions of Russia and Kazakhstan, which have learned since Soviet times what the southeastern neighbor is), for example, in US fentanyl has caused a real disaster.


It has supplanted opioid drugs of plant origin (heroin, etc.). In the CIS countries, fentanyl in the nineties and zero had competition with more traditional poppy straw drugs (especially in rural areas and most of all in the south) and heroin. Therefore, the situation on the western continent now does not even repeat the recent Russian situation, but is much worse.

If Russia is supplied mainly with salts and spices, then fentanyls are supplied to the USA and Canada, first of all, the most powerful of them - the "white Chinese". The only similarity of the situation is that American hucksters also like to mix opioids with stimulants, that Russia has already gone through the period of free sale of spices. But the result is far worse.

During the presidency of Donald Trump and the Republicans, the United States threatened China with further sanctions if it did not introduce tighter regulation of the circulation and production of fentanyl and related precursors. China has introduced measures, but, according to Washington, they are insufficient. The flow of fentanyl to the US has already started from Mexico.

They produced the drug from Chinese raw materials with the use of their precursors for a chemical reaction, the circulation of which there is still not limited. Tension in relations between the US and China has led official Beijing to ignore the White House's demands to tighten the circulation of substances required to make a "white Chinese". And this is with the complete silence of the Mexican authorities.

Caution: pharmacist


It should be noted that China's pharmaceutical industry is the world's largest exporter of precursors. While China has strict laws regarding drug trafficking and use, this does not prevent the successful existence of companies that produce (sometimes without official permission) chemicals used to manufacture a variety of psychoactive substances.

Most of them are exported - it is dangerous to trade drugs in China itself. The manufacture and export of fentanyl in China has been banned since 2019, but the export of raw materials and precursors to Mexico is not prohibited. The same applies to the production of methamphetamine: in China it is a criminal offense, but the local mafia has opened its production in Mexico and Southeast Asia.

There is no ban on the supply of precursors. For some time, Chinese methamphetamine was supplied to Australia, but now, under the threat of sanctions, China is forced to at least imitate cooperation with its police and tighten the laws for its production and transportation.

The Chinese drug control still somehow continues to cooperate with Australia, but it stopped transmitting information to the United States about the supply of fentanyl and methamphetamine through Mexico, apparently in retaliation for the sanctions. The American police themselves are already inclined to admit that with such pressure on China, retaliatory measures to control the supply of drugs, even indirect ones, will not be achieved in the United States.

At the same time, China is cooperating more actively with neighboring Asian countries in this direction, although it still avoids taking part in the liquidation and detention of triads abroad. This is explained by the fact that the triads in the countries of Southeast Asia largely promote Chinese economic interests in them.

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Plans and prospects


Next in line, obviously, in addition to Mexico, will be India, Nigeria and South Africa, where Chinese precursors are actively sent. This is all the more strange since India and South Africa are China's BRICS partners, as is Russia.

So far, China only promises that it will cut off supplies to friendly countries. But it is still unclear when the matter will move from promises to real actions.
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  1. +24
    29 January 2023 05: 31
    I believe that drug dealers must be fought in the most cruel way ... drug distribution among young people should be equated with attempted murder ... jail, jail and once again jail drug dealers up to life ... no matter where and what kind of drug is supplied Chinese, Colombian, Mexican, Afghan ... this infection must be destroyed in the bud.
    In places where young people gather, drug killers especially like to work ... there they must be crushed mercilessly.
    In the USA, the picture of the streets filled with drug addicts is simply terrible ... I really would not want this horror to reach us.
    1. +25
      29 January 2023 05: 55
      So the zones are already 60% filled with hucksters, only these hucksters are pot-bellied trifles that the owners of drug dealers constantly rent. The police need to be held accountable for their success. I have a dacha in the city, so drug addicts do not hesitate to look for bookmarks during the day, and there are a lot of them!
      1. +16
        29 January 2023 07: 18
        Quote: ASAD
        so drug addicts do not hesitate to look for bookmarks during the day, and there are a lot of them!

        So we have the same. They called them "moles", they dig a little land at any time of the year, at any time of the day ...
        This "disease" can be cured only by the most severe legislation, not only in relation to distribution, but also in relation to reception. Otherwise, nothing will work, because stable demand and greed will outplay any efforts of law enforcement agencies.
        1. +16
          29 January 2023 13: 32
          Quote: Doccor18
          This "disease" can be cured only by the most severe legislation, not only in relation to distribution, but also in relation to reception.

          It is necessary to treat first of all those who cover all these cooks, growers, pawnbrokers, etc. etc., to treat by "beheading", so it will be reliable.
          1. 0
            29 January 2023 14: 12
            You're not right. First of all, we need the most severe measures against the drug addicts themselves. For it has long been known that a pig will always find dirt. Take away one nonsense, they will find another.
            If there is no demand, supply will die.
            1. +11
              29 January 2023 14: 30
              Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
              You're not right. First of all, we need the most severe measures against the drug addicts themselves. For it has long been known that a pig will always find dirt. Take away one nonsense, they will find another.
              If there is no demand, supply will die.

              Drug addiction, like drunkenness, is primarily a social disease. Humanity cannot remove the reasons why this disease appears today. However, it is possible to remove those who profit from this disease. First of all, it is necessary to make sure that the risks outweigh the economic benefits. And drug addicts, when they start, they do not think what it leads to, and when they understand, it becomes too late. Killing or transplanting them all will not work, there are too many of them, and for the most part they are deeply unhappy people, although often they do not yet realize this. It is impossible to make them afraid to try under the current conditions, it unties the hands of some police officers too much.
              1. 0
                29 January 2023 14: 44
                Enough of this pink snot about "sick and deeply unhappy unfortunate people." Most of them accept this consciously and in a situation where they are "mad with fat."
                As for the police, one-time receptions will not prove anything, because regular reception is a priority. Yes, and they have enough other bases.
                1. +2
                  29 January 2023 15: 40
                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  Enough of this pink snot about "sick and deeply unhappy unfortunate people."

                  I'm just very familiar with this topic.
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Drug addiction, like drunkenness, is primarily a social disease.

                  That's what you need to think about, if you remember that under the USSR there were orders of magnitude fewer drug addicts, and in cap countries there were the same number as we have now.
                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  As for the police, one-time tricks won't prove a thing

                  Even as they prove, today it is possible to prove in court that a drunk ten-year-old boy deliberately threw himself under the wheels of a car.
                  1. +3
                    30 January 2023 12: 03
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    That's what you need to think about, if you remember that under the USSR there were orders of magnitude fewer drug addicts, and in cap countries there were the same number as we have now.

                    Eeeee ... have you ever been to Central Asia under the USSR? No?
                    There, they knew what it was to "blow" for centuries, straws were sold openly in the bazaars and ALL men smoked it ..
                    Heroin, yes, but it was quite expensive and therefore elite. The bulk of the population of Central Asia stupidly did not have money for it ...
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    a drunk ten-year-old boy deliberately threw himself under the wheels of a car.
                    Yes? That is, the indifference of an expert who stupidly slammed his ears - no, does not count? Is it necessary to find a serious organized crime group?
                    Doesn't the fact that the "chief bandit" type gave his woman Solaris and even a second-hand ear tell you nothing? A car of a budget series, and even a second-hand one? Not?
                    Yes to ANYONE this to a bandit - by virtue of show-off and zapadlo - it would not even have occurred to him to give this scrap ... the boys would not understand ...
                    He would have bought her Logan, yeah ...
                2. +1
                  1 February 2023 22: 59
                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  Enough of this pink snot about "sick and deeply unhappy unfortunate people"

                  Go and plant the unfortunate man who injects himself with insulin every day. What difference does it make to you what and why a person colitises. Well, you're like a first-grader, you don't want to read anything except the primer. I read a poem about what is good and what is bad, and you go further through life with infantilism ..
                  You are not at all interested in why about 40% of people suffer from this or that addiction. Gambling, shopping, ADHD, alcoholism, dependence on various types of psychotropics, careerism, excessive desire for accumulation and desire for power .... it's all one and the same problem of the brain, one innate biochemical ... feature. . Yes, yes, like diabetes, like thyroid disease, parkinsonism ... a lot of things.
                  All in turma??
                  You are not a smart person. It is better to study before giving something out to people.
            2. +14
              29 January 2023 18: 26
              Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
              First of all, we need the most severe measures against the drug addicts themselves.

              Bees against honey ...
              State Duma deputies rejected a bill on mandatory testing of officials and parliamentarians for drug use. It was withdrawn from consideration following the results of the first reading.
              1. -1
                30 January 2023 00: 56
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                State Duma deputies rejected a bill on mandatory testing of officials and parliamentarians for drug use.

                I would also vote against. What, actually?! Why am I worse than those who are not tested?
      2. +11
        29 January 2023 10: 03
        Quote: ASAD
        the owners are drug dealers


        Much more effectively they are able to deal with ... financial regulators.
        Drugs are produced for the sake of money, and by seizing drug money all over the world (even if you cannot pinpoint the beneficiary), you deprive this activity of meaning and profit. Drug money should be the main target. Well, to change the reporting - to demand the withdrawal of funds and money from the guardians of the law, since the planting of distributors is meaningless.
    2. +20
      29 January 2023 06: 21
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I really don't want this horror to get to us.

      In one form or another, this horror is already in Russia. I live in the regional center and every day I meet either people prowling in search of bookmarks, the appearance of which does not inspire a desire to get to know them, or half-zombified creatures wandering with crazy eyes, or people leaving nightclubs, the sight of which says that they “came off » in full.
      And residents of districts (the regional center, in the city center, with wooden one-story buildings and amenities in the yard) will tell in a private conversation where, who, how ...
      It seems that the "gentlemen" involved in this business in one way or another are "protected" at the highest level of law enforcement agencies.
      You can come up with ways of punishment, or you can ask for a declaration of income and compare it with the amount of “over-earned”.
      And a state where the president “earns” not only several times, ten times less than any minister ... Or the wife of this minister (high-ranking manager) with her “brilliant mind and talent” has reached the place where she income becomes comparable to the budget of the district town ...
      1. +12
        29 January 2023 07: 23
        Quote: ROSS 42
        or you can ask for a declaration of income and compare it with the size of "over-earned".

        for a crocodile to bite off its tail...
    3. +5
      29 January 2023 06: 30
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      In the USA, the picture of the streets filled with drug addicts is simply terrible ... I really would not want this horror to reach us.

      Depending on the state, each can grow from 1 to 5 cannabis bushes for personal use. You yourself understand where 5 is there and 155. There was such a business that you buy a t-shirt joint for free as a gift. Those. in reality, the cannabis trade is disguised as a trade in something and, interestingly, it is legal. Hemp is not traded, but as a gift for the purchase. Rave. It's with soft drugs.
      I remember how, before covid, drugs passed through the Chinese border, all sorts of methamphetamines or pills from which you can isolate. China is not only vegetables grown on incomprehensible fertilizers, but also pure drugs no less evil.
    4. +6
      29 January 2023 08: 24
      Do you know how drugs are distributed now and where the bookmarks, as such, came from? apparently not .. they are now, with might and main -
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      plant, plant and plant again
      does not help, as we see, since they take only "small fry" with such a distribution system .. it is necessary to fight the causes, not the consequences ..
      1. 0
        30 January 2023 12: 43
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        Do you know how drugs are distributed now and where the bookmarks, as such, came from? apparently not .. they are now, with might and main -
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        plant, plant and plant again
        does not help, as we see, since they take only "small fry" with such a distribution system .. it is necessary to fight the causes, not the consequences ..

        Well, since there were many drug addicts in the USSR (and the Central Asians "smoked" without exception), it is impossible to eliminate the cause. In principle, it is impossible ...
        It’s problematic to take the top, the bottom link is silent. But even when the top is imprisoned, the market is immediately redone and a new drug lord comes ..
        Too much money for nothing...
    5. 0
      1 February 2023 03: 21
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      plant, plant and once again plant drug dealers

      In China, 10 grams of the drug carries the death penalty. And even the intercession of the head of the US State Department will not save the convicted huckster from execution. In the conditions of Russia, it would be possible to replace the execution for 15-20 years if the huckster gives information about accomplices and this will allow condemning the entire supply chain.
  2. +5
    29 January 2023 06: 16
    triads in the countries of Southeast Asia in many ways promote Chinese economic interests in them.
    And given the well-known slogan - "Mafia is immortal" it will continue to pose a threat to some and political and economic benefits to others.
  3. +16
    29 January 2023 06: 18
    "Plant, plant, do not wait for spring." All this appeared back in Soviet times. When the criminal future of the country began to be created in the colonies. Complete educational impotence led to the current results. Now the image of Makarenko has become comical. But both drug addicts and murderers got to him. Young animals. From the majority, he made normal people. He was able to show life to these guys from the best side. Now there are no such people. So some teachers are swarming around. Neither life to show, nor death in the name of life.
    1. +1
      1 February 2023 03: 37
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      So some teachers swarm. Neither life to show, nor death in the name of life.

      And who is the teacher against the background of a bully student from his class. A loser who can be insulted and even hit. And if the teacher gives a slap on the back of the head to a bully, then the teacher faces a criminal offense. When I was at school in the USSR and the school heyday of hooliganism began, the teacher told a story from practice to sixth graders. One dunce before the lesson, right in the classroom, went in a big way. The teacher enters. Asks: "Who?" You can see in the eyes who did it. After all, the rest of the class is watching. Call him to the board. He brazenly, imposingly comes out. The teacher hit him on the head. Grabs him by the scruff of the neck, dips him into the pile he's made, rubs his face across the pile several times, and kicks him out of the classroom. Parents file a complaint against the teacher. A commission from the ministry recognizes the teacher's action as correct. No prosecutor's office interferes in its decision. The bully is humiliated and turned into a laughingstock. Makarenko's activity was successful only because especially violent youngsters were simply shot by the ChONovtsy during the neutralization of the gangs and the colonists preferred not to intersect with those who shot their accomplices before their eyes. On the other hand, over the past 20 years, crime in Russia has been driven into certain limits, and this has been done not only effectively, but also without unnecessary cruelty.
  4. +7
    29 January 2023 06: 23
    Early 2000s, Barnaul. All-Russian operation to eliminate the network of drug dealers with this very rubbish. The wife's niece died from her at the age of 22.
  5. +2
    29 January 2023 06: 32
    Quote: ASAD
    So the zones are already 60% filled with hucksters, only these hucksters are pot-bellied trifles that the owners of drug dealers constantly rent. The police need to be held accountable for their success. I have a dacha in the city, so drug addicts do not hesitate to look for bookmarks during the day, and there are a lot of them!

    Indeed, it is!
  6. +1
    29 January 2023 06: 33
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    I believe that drug dealers must be fought in the most cruel way ... drug distribution among young people should be equated with attempted murder ... jail, jail and once again jail drug dealers up to life ... no matter where and what kind of drug is supplied Chinese, Colombian, Mexican, Afghan ... this infection must be destroyed in the bud.
    In places where young people gather, drug killers especially like to work ... there they must be crushed mercilessly.
    In the USA, the picture of the streets filled with drug addicts is simply terrible ... I really would not want this horror to reach us.

    Yes sir! angry
  7. +10
    29 January 2023 06: 57
    The common truth is that drugs are a business and a very good one and is protected at the highest level in most countries..
    1. +3
      29 January 2023 08: 08
      Part of the global new opium war, more specifically the fetamine war. Great China was severely frozen in development then. But if at one time it only played against China, then, given our time of rapid, unlimited distribution, it definitely hits customers as well. Well, the neighbors suffer too.
  8. +18
    29 January 2023 07: 00
    I live in a very decent area in Moscow. But nevertheless, I constantly see various junkies under the balconies, inside the entrance and near the garbage chute, who are looking for a stash. In the warm season, I see when they are digging something in the front garden behind the house or behind the garages. I come to the sad conclusion that if the distribution of drugs is not stopped by "Yezhov's methods", then Russia will face a real disaster. Personally, I believe that drug dealers or pawnbrokers deserve the death penalty with confiscation of all property, and drug users are forcibly treated in labor camps like in China. Only for all this real reformers are needed, and not the current thieves in power, who are generally not interested in anything except their own pockets.
    1. 0
      29 January 2023 16: 12
      Quote: epicurean
      Personally, I believe that drug dealers or pawnbrokers deserve the death penalty with confiscation of all property,

      Demonstration execution. With great public outcry...
      Quote: epicurean
      and drug users are forced to be treated in labor camps like in China.

      It is worth connecting the Orthodox Church with its monasteries and upbringing by labor .. It is not an easy task to fight for the health and souls of drug addicts. It's mostly young people! The future of the country is poisoned by drugs. In Sevastopol, two years ago, they also rummaged in search of bookmarks, stencils of drug advertisements were stuffed all around ... Now it has calmed down, they have clamped down. So they can squeeze? They know how!
      1. -1
        30 January 2023 12: 50
        Quote: 30 vis
        Demonstration execution. With great public outcry...

        China shot for corruption in stadiums and with live broadcast on TV. So to speak
        "- Do not switch! After the advertisement, the next corrupt officials will be shot!!"
        Judging by the fact that they continue to shoot, it doesn’t really help
        Quote: 30 vis
        Now it's calmed down, clamped down. So they can squeeze? They know how!

        Rather, the mass consumer has died, but the prospect of dying in a couple of years does not appeal to the fresh ones ...
        1. 0
          1 February 2023 12: 55
          The number of articles of the Criminal Code of the People's Republic of China, for which the death penalty is due, and the number of death sentences in the People's Republic of China have sharply decreased in recent years. In addition, they do not carry out all death sentences. In the PRC, there is such an amusing construction as "a death sentence with a suspension of execution."
  9. +6
    29 January 2023 07: 42
    Shoot, hang, plant - it's all emotionsthat do not address the core of the problem.
    The consequences can be fought ad infinitum.

    In the USSR, there were drugs in a minimal amount and few people heard about them. First of all, the reason was that the population had Soviet rubles, which there was practically nowhere to spend except in the union. The drug lords were not interested in our country.

    As soon as the free circulation of the currency was allowed, this is where the drug dealers became more active.

    Conclusion: Prohibit the free circulation of currency in the country. This will be a significant blow to drug addiction. In principle, 90% of the population does not need currency, and the remaining 10% will survive like a thread. The priority of interests should be on the side of the majority.
    1. +7
      29 January 2023 08: 26
      Quote: Boris55
      Prohibit the free circulation of currency in the country.

      You probably don’t know that most of the drugs are produced in the Russian Federation from precursors, and not abroad, respectively, your method will not give anything .. what to do? but nothing .. except educating young people so that they are not subject to this "plague" .. well, or even turn off the Internet in the country .. that's it .. there are no other options .. precursors are banned all the time, and they appear all the time - this fight against windmills.
    2. 0
      30 January 2023 12: 52
      Quote: Boris55
      In the USSR, there were drugs in a minimal amount and few people heard about them.
      - if no one heard, this does not mean that this did not happen. All of Central Asia smoked. Polls ...
  10. +7
    29 January 2023 07: 54
    This is explained by the fact that the triads in the countries of Southeast Asia largely promote Chinese economic interests in them.

    The episode was very indicative that "free will" in Hong Kong was suppressed precisely by the triads, mainly wink
    So this is the case, for those who love to look up to China, that two fundamentally incomparable regimes cannot be compared
    1. +1
      29 January 2023 14: 56
      The Chinese are making the country. Russia makes money and drugs. As if from behind a hillock.
      1. +2
        29 January 2023 15: 16
        The Chinese keep American biolaboratories in their country, which, as a result, tested the baco-weapon in China. Well, all over the world at the same time ... - oops!
        And also, a country in which power is merged with organized crime ... Triads ... So this is not power, these are the holy 90s ...
        So once again, you are driving a blizzard by comparing the incomparable. I gave you examples of what is unacceptable in our country. And one more thing - we just coped with the wave of drug addiction of the 90s, in China - this is a problem to this day
  11. +3
    29 January 2023 10: 38
    Quote: ROSS 42
    It seems that the "gentlemen" involved in this business in one way or another are "protected" at the highest level of law enforcement agencies.

    Believe me, this is not an impression, this is a FACT.
  12. +3
    29 January 2023 11: 02
    A surge in drug addiction happened when liberals removed criminal responsibility for the use of narcotic substances after the collapse of the USSR.
    And the drug addicts themselves were declared "sick people", they say, leave them alone and fight drug suppliers.
    What is the result: drug addicts are "innocent", drug lords are inaccessible, and fighting with an intermediate link is like scooping the sea with a mug.
    And only fools can not understand the simple truth that it is the primary demand, supply is a function. Destroy the demand, and the offer will die out as having lost its meaning.
    Therefore, first of all, the most severe law is needed specifically against the drug addicts themselves.
    In my opinion, the best option is:
    - caught for the first time, we believe he stumbled, compulsory treatment is free;
    - caught a second time, forced treatment with subsequent work off in the colony for the cost of two treatments;
    - got caught for the third time, eliminated, as an option, life-long occupational therapy in a colony.
    And no declarations of rights and freedoms are inappropriate here, drug addicts live in society, live at the expense of society and pose a threat to the life of society.
    1. +4
      29 January 2023 11: 12
      Oh, someone put a minus. Probably a drug addict or drug dealer. Now we will find out how many of those are on the site. The only pity is that these ratings are anonymous. laughing
    2. +2
      29 January 2023 16: 45
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      Therefore, first of all, the most severe law is needed specifically against the drug addicts themselves.


      I agree with you almost completely. Why almost? Drug use is not always initiated voluntarily. First of all, a teenager can fall for this bait. Friends will advise: "Does your head hurt? Don't worry, take this pill." For some, just one tablet is enough.
      Well, for malicious drug addicts who are trying to drag as many young people into their networks as possible, the measures should be the most severe. There should be no mercy.
      1. +1
        31 January 2023 13: 01
        So I pointed out that the first time treatment is free and without repression.
    3. +1
      30 January 2023 12: 58
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      In my opinion, the best option is:
      - caught for the first time, we believe he stumbled, compulsory treatment is free;
      - got caught a second time

      "Let's organize a toss of 2 bags of marijuana consecutively to a competitor or to the husband of a mistress? Inexpensive, fast, high quality! As a bonus, we will toss it for free for the third time!!"
      Easily and naturally - I just see such advertisements on the walls instead of looking for pawns...
      And yes, if there is any doubt - quite real citizens wrote denunciations for the sake of neighboring rooms or positions in the 1930s.

      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      Oh, someone put a minus. Probably a drug addict or drug dealer. Now we will find out how many of those are on the site. The only pity is that these ratings are anonymous. laughing

      Minus I put 1
      1. +1
        31 January 2023 13: 10
        I don’t understand, there is clearly one of two things, or you didn’t understand what it was about, or you have an interest in this matter.
        Firstly, I was not talking about drug distribution, but about drug users.
        Secondly, these same bags are just being thrown up now.
        Thirdly, medicine, without any difficulty, will be able to determine whether it is a one-time use of drugs, or a drug addict is already with experience.
        Fourth, the dishonesty of law enforcement agencies is another problem. Which does not at all eliminate the need to combat this harmful phenomenon.
    4. 0
      1 February 2023 23: 13
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      And only fools can not understand the simple truth that it is the primary demand, supply is a function. Destroy the demand, and the offer will die out as having lost its meaning.

      \ Stupid and wild infantilism. You cannot be allowed to approach people for a kilometer.
      There will be no demand when a person has a job, a job that brings him both pleasure and income. There will be a family and a home. There will be children and grandchildren ... there will be something that needs to be supported, protected and increased .. there will be no time and desire for drugs and kir.
      If you can't do it, there will be drug addiction and alcoholism ..... and war. Oil painting.
  13. +1
    29 January 2023 11: 42
    Quote: ycuce234-san
    Quote: ASAD
    the owners are drug dealers


    Much more effectively they are able to deal with ... financial regulators.
    Drugs are produced for the sake of money, and by seizing drug money all over the world (even if you cannot pinpoint the beneficiary), you deprive this activity of meaning and profit. Drug money should be the main target. Well, to change the reporting - to demand the withdrawal of funds and money from the guardians of the law, since the planting of distributors is meaningless.

    tougher laws need to be rewritten ...
    1. 0
      30 January 2023 13: 02
      Quote: Alex242
      Quote: ycuce234-san
      Quote: ASAD
      the owners are drug dealers


      Much more effectively they are able to deal with ... financial regulators.
      Drugs are produced for the sake of money, and by seizing drug money all over the world (even if you cannot pinpoint the beneficiary), you deprive this activity of meaning and profit. Drug money should be the main target. Well, to change the reporting - to demand the withdrawal of funds and money from the guardians of the law, since the planting of distributors is meaningless.

      tougher laws need to be rewritten ...

      Have you read the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation? According to these articles, it is much tougher than Soviet codes
  14. +2
    29 January 2023 11: 45
    Quote: epicurean
    I live in a very decent area in Moscow. But nevertheless, I constantly see various junkies under the balconies, inside the entrance and near the garbage chute, who are looking for a stash. In the warm season, I see when they are digging something in the front garden behind the house or behind the garages. I come to the sad conclusion that if the distribution of drugs is not stopped by "Yezhov's methods", then Russia will face a real disaster. Personally, I believe that drug dealers or pawnbrokers deserve the death penalty with confiscation of all property, and drug users are forcibly treated in labor camps like in China. Only for all this real reformers are needed, and not the current thieves in power, who are generally not interested in anything except their own pockets.

    it's time to learn from the same Chinese (the use of the death penalty) ...
  15. +3
    29 January 2023 13: 32
    Quote: ycuce234-san
    Much more effectively they are able to deal with ... financial regulators.
    Drugs are produced for the sake of money, and by seizing drug money all over the world (even if you cannot pinpoint the beneficiary), you deprive this activity of meaning and profit.


    1. Banks are mostly private, they are in the subject. Profitable customers, these dealers dope.
    2. Have you forgotten about cryptocurrencies and the dark web? There, the drug lords - lafa.
    3. Money from the sale of dope can go not only to a curly life, but also to the purchase of weapons by terrorist groups (which are often PMCs in the wings of the secret services of quite developed states).
  16. 0
    29 January 2023 14: 04
    The Americans add a tranquilizer for horses to this "Chinese rubbish" and drug addicts begin to rot and become covered with open wounds!
    1. 0
      1 February 2023 23: 18
      Quote: hohol95
      The Americans add a tranquilizer for horses to this "Chinese rubbish" and drug addicts begin to rot and become covered with open wounds!

      Made me laugh. Especially at the expense of rotting and covered with wounds.
      You are talking because of tranquilizers to carfentanil ... well, well)))
      And who are the "Americans"? Those that are struggling with drug addiction or dealers?
  17. +2
    29 January 2023 14: 08
    If we take into account, for example, that a huge number of clinics that "treat" drug addiction are somehow financed by the drug mafia, then these guys are here for a long time. If not forever. Planting, shooting, seizing finances are just half measures. Powerful state propaganda is needed, starting from the level of nursery groups of preschool institutions, so that the concept of "drugs are evil" is hammered into the subcortex. Just like "wash your hands before eating". How many people sit at the table with dirty hands? The opinion of narcologists of the "old" school, with whom I had the honor to communicate, is the most pessimistic: the state lost this war long ago. And all sorts of miraculous cases of healing are nothing more than PR moves or a rare luck of the "ill". And "heroin knows how to wait."
  18. +1
    29 January 2023 15: 50
    Perhaps it makes sense to help the drug mafia of the United States and Mexico in the destruction of the United States, Canada and a number of EU countries .... Here, of course, you need to weigh everything firmly and understand the levers guaranteed that they will not be able to drag this infection to us with any desire ...
    At the household level and without serious difficulties in the fight against drug addiction and drug trafficking should be:
    - significant rewards and anonymity for the surrender of drug addicts, drug dealers and their protective bodies.
    -amnesty for the surrender of accomplices of drug dealers and complete anonymity. For the surrender of large hucksters, leave the loot or part of it.
    - life imprisonment for especially large parties without rehabilitating grounds with forced labor for the good of the country
    -confiscation of all property from drug dealers
    At the political level, raise the question of the PRC on the suppression of all this activity on the territory of the Russian Federation.
    To ensure the undermining of the economic foundations - to issue an analogue to drug addicts on prescription, perhaps not so quickly killing a person, of course, free of charge with control of admission.
    In the smart city system, it is impossible not to notice who digs up the bookmarks or who laid them, no matter where these people came from, on what. Here attention is the question: either they don’t fight because they are already known and controlled, while others will simply replace them and then you need to find them and establish their connections all? Or our bodies are on tap at least in large cities where cameras everywhere simply do not know how to work. Perhaps some image analysis software needs to be improved in order to automatically detect instillation / excavation, placement in caches - I'm sure the issue is algorithmized.
    Basically what needs to be done:
    To educate young people on the right correct models (this is education, mass culture and helping people in a difficult life situation to make the right choice (these are different socio-psychological services).
    To create and bring the prospects of life in our country to its citizens. (What good awaits us and a particular person in it and why this country needs him and how he can be useful to the country and what his talents will help him discover, where and how).
  19. -1
    29 January 2023 22: 27
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    I believe that drug dealers must be fought in the most cruel way ... drug distribution among young people should be equated with attempted murder ... jail, jail and once again jail drug dealers up to life ... no matter where and what kind of drug is supplied Chinese, Colombian, Mexican, Afghan ... this infection must be destroyed in the bud.
    In places where young people gather, drug killers especially like to work ... there they must be crushed mercilessly.
    In the USA, the picture of the streets filled with drug addicts is simply terrible ... I really would not want this horror to reach us.


    ..... - this horror will definitely get it ... its penetrating power is very great! You call to plant! Plant! Plant! All those involved ... Who will plant? And who are the judges? In the films that are on our TV from morning to evening - those who have to fight this evil, often for one with him ...
    1. 0
      30 January 2023 13: 28
      Quote: egorMTG
      Who will plant? And who are the judges? In the films that are on our TV from morning to evening - those who have to fight this evil, often for one with him ...

      Those who made out the military in 1934 received a bullet in 1937. Those who made out in 1937 received after the war.
      So nothing new ...
  20. 0
    29 January 2023 22: 35
    Quote: egorMTG
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    I believe that drug dealers must be fought in the most cruel way ... drug distribution among young people should be equated with attempted murder ... jail, jail and once again jail drug dealers up to life ... no matter where and what kind of drug is supplied Chinese, Colombian, Mexican, Afghan ... this infection must be destroyed in the bud.
    In places where young people gather, drug killers especially like to work ... there they must be crushed mercilessly.
    In the USA, the picture of the streets filled with drug addicts is simply terrible ... I really would not want this horror to reach us.


    ..... - this horror will definitely get it ... its penetrating power is very great! You call to plant! Plant! Plant! All those involved ... Who will plant? And who are the judges? In the films that are on our TV from morning to evening - those who have to fight this evil, often for one with him ...


    P.S ....-. from the "android", if you wrote this 15 years ago - would anything have changed during this time? ...
  21. -1
    29 January 2023 22: 54
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
    First of all, we need the most severe measures against the drug addicts themselves.

    Bees against honey ...
    State Duma deputies rejected a bill on mandatory testing of officials and parliamentarians for drug use. It was withdrawn from consideration following the results of the first reading.


    - Well, how can you not trust officials and parliamentarians .... - so, you can go out on yourself ....
  22. -1
    30 January 2023 00: 27
    It seems to me that it is high time to lift the moratorium on the "tower". I read a large translated Chinese article about the fight against drug addiction and the extermination of tigers and leopards. They took it in a gram in my pocket, a suspended sentence. The second time - get up to the wall. It’s even easier with cats: if you find the skin of a tiger or a leopard, stand next to a drug dealer, and no lawyers and persuasion “they let me hold” help. As a result, recently on our TV they said that we have "livestock or tails")) leopards were raised to 250, and in China to 2000.
    1. 0
      30 January 2023 13: 32
      Quote: Vladimir-78
      The second time - get up to the wall. It’s even easier with cats: if you find the skin of a tiger or a leopard, stand next to a drug dealer, and no lawyers and persuasion “they let me hold” help.
      I don't know about leopards.
      The cost of tigers just went up from $100 per carcass to $000...
      And this means - as they closed their eyes in China for money - they will bury them. "Tiger? No, they didn't see ..."
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  24. +3
    30 January 2023 01: 12
    I periodically watch TG channels in Mexico. So there is complete chaos. There is a large-scale war of drug cartels between themselves and the government. At the same time, the actions of the authorities are sluggish, from the word at all. According to the degree of influence, the Medellin Cartel, along with Pablo Escobar, quietly smoke on the sidelines, sobbing with envy. At the same time, mattresses, according to the article, while experiencing horror from the shaft of drugs from Mexico, do nothing! That is, trying to bend over Iran, Russia, China, and even half the globe is possible, but under their noses they have no opportunity to resolve issues with shitty Mexico, but along the way they also desire. The idiocy of the American authorities is amazing! Again, there is complete chaos in Mexico! The police are shot, kidnapped, dismembered, blown up. The authorities are corrupt right up to the governors, which they do not hide. Although only the army can do something, BUT! They are not in a hurry to introduce it at the places of conflicts. Only until half the city burns to hell ... And the entire world community is silent. And China is quietly pumping up drugs, filling the bottle. I won’t be surprised if the main capital earned on drug trafficking in all its forms is directed by the Central Committee of the Communist Party, headed by the shining (with pleasure) comrade SI, to the development of the Triads abroad and bribing local authorities. In the same Mexico and the USA.
  25. -1
    31 January 2023 16: 58
    In Russia, it is necessary to legalize soft drugs under state control and at the same time tighten laws on hard drugs, the choice between a huckster and a pharmacy is obvious even for drug addicts. You should also limit the sale of strong alcoholic beverages, since alcohol is underestimated by many, and this, meanwhile, is one of the most dangerous types of drug for others. In Soviet times, drug addicts smoked hashish and had no problems with them, mostly with alcohol, and heroin addicts and other heavy drug addicts began to appear only after the start of the Afghan war.
  26. +1
    1 February 2023 14: 57
    “If the stars are lit, it means that someone needs it? So someone wants them to be?

    Playing on human weaknesses has always been and will be, so drug dealers have received, are receiving and will continue to receive profit. Pawnbrokers and drug addicts are the extreme link of the pyramid, at the top of which are those who solve any issues and who need to be bought, have already been bought, and if you go on principle, then at best you will be fired.
    Russia has been under drugs for a long time (watch documentaries on Lenta.ru) and look at our domestic politics. Diasporas divide spheres of influence, precinct officers churn out replies for statements, take distributors purely for indicators, Internet media bloggers consider it an axiom that a successful person can use drugs and there is nothing wrong with that (the popular show "CHBD", where comedians invite stars is full of jokes about drugs), and who will clean these Augean stables, if now all the forces are directed to the NWO, on the results of which the fate of the country depends, where in case of victory, there will be completely different problems, in case other than victory, there will be no time to fight drug trafficking.
  27. -1
    2 February 2023 21: 39
    Money doesn't smell. Unfortunately.
    And to fight drug addiction is possible only in humane ways. Speak, warn, show examples of consequences...
    There will be buyers - there will be distributors. Even a life sentence for distributors will not save.
    But how to save everyone from the temptation to try - I do not know. But this is the only way: no one needs the potion anymore. No buyers - no sellers.
  28. 0
    4 February 2023 10: 12
    The British once put half of China on dope, supplying opium in exchange for tea. History always goes in a spiral) So the Chinese seem to be working on the topic with great eagerness. The ingenious policy of the authorities in the field of drug trafficking also helps a lot.
    Of course, "distributors must be dealt with in the most cruel way"! Such a policy unequivocally leads, firstly, to the constant growth of drug addicted people. And secondly, to the explosive growth of profits from the drug trade! Under the chatter about "putting things in order" from people who are not able to think. All that remains is to collect a share from the drug trade, which government officials and law enforcement officers are doing with pleasure.
    And what policy would be effective in terms of the health of the people and benefit to the country? If instead of puffing out cheeks and formidable cries, you start thinking, then there is nothing complicated. First, of course, the drug trade should be legalized. Even special taxes are not needed, just legalization. Thus, crime is leaving the industry, that is, thousands of deaths annually, the broken fates of pawnbrokers, the stuffed pockets of dirty policemen and officials ... the atmosphere is instantly discharged.
    And secondly, it is necessary to deal with those who are guilty of all the problems with the drug trade. Namely, of course, drug addicts. Drug addicts are rarely forced, just like alcoholics. It happens in criminal cases, but the percentage is scanty. The drug addict is to blame for the addiction. Moreover, if a person wants to die in narcotic dreams, this is his business. It is man who is the master of his life. Or we must openly admit that we have slavery here, and the state is our master. And if not...
    In general, for people who have a certain percentage of drugs in their blood, a wide range of professions should be prohibited in the first place. To prevent the addict from killing or maiming others, or causing significant property damage. Secondly, it makes sense, in case of causing damage to life and health of people, or property, by a drug addict, to extend the responsibility to his next of kin. Foolishly killed a man? Not only you will go to prison, your father and mother, as well as brothers and sisters, will also go there.
    It is absolutely certain that instead of heartfelt stories about how poor parents suffer from a drug addict son, parents will take action before it is too late. Measures taken in this vein would deal with the problem as a social phenomenon rather easily.
    Unfortunately, the current situation with drug money flowing into the pockets of so many "law-abiding" people in respectable ranks and ranks, as well as in simple civilian clothes (from the Balenciaga, of course), makes it impossible to take truly effective measures. The "fight against drug trafficking" in its current form will continue, which is pleasant for some people, increases both the amount of dope sold and its price, and also opens up more and more opportunities for breaking any human destinies. Alas...
  29. amr
    0
    4 February 2023 17: 40
    It is necessary to fight this muck in the ranks of our valiant police and the FSB - these are the main protectors of this business, and everyone knows and is aware of this, they can’t do anything!

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