Russian diplomat Gavrilov warned about the consequences of the possible use of shells with uranium by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Leopard 2 tanks

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Russian diplomat Gavrilov warned about the consequences of the possible use of shells with uranium by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Leopard 2 tanks

If Ukraine will apply for those transmitted by the West tanks Leopard 2 projectiles with a uranium component that can be used by these combat vehicles, the Russian Federation will regard this as the use of a "dirty" nuclear bomb. This was stated by the head of the Russian delegation at the talks in Vienna on military security and arms control Konstantin Gavrilov.

Accordingly, Russia will have to react differently to the facts of the use of such weapons in the conflict. It is likely that after this there may be grounds for the use by our country of more serious weapons at the tactical level.



Earlier it became known that Germany agreed not only to allow other European countries to transfer Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, but also to independently supply German tanks for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in an amount sufficient to form two tank battalions. The first phase of tank deliveries will include the transfer of 14 combat vehicles. Germany will also take over the training of Ukrainian tank crews in the operation of Leopard 2 tanks.

Meanwhile, both German Leopard tanks and American Abrams tanks can use special depleted uranium rounds. The use of such shells leads to contamination of the area, outbreaks of cancer among the civilian population. For example, the American occupying troops used similar shells in Iraq, where as a result whole zones arose that were actually unsuitable for human life and their economic use.

The use of such shells on Russian (and Donbass, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions) territory, if it happens, should lead to the most serious consequences not only for the Kyiv regime, but also for its Western patrons.
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  1. +29
    25 January 2023 16: 23
    If the political leadership of the country continues to show indecision, constantly pushing back the "red lines", then it will come to this. I have no doubt that the Nazi Kyiv regime, at the behest of the curators, will go for it. So far, only promises of "tough answers" ....
    "If you got into a fight, then only one thing makes sense - to win. Everything else is not worth a damn" (E. Hemingway), Everything else is perceived by the enemy as weakness.
    1. +9
      25 January 2023 16: 31
      Quote: Black
      If the political leadership of the country continues to show indecision, constantly pushing back the "red lines", then it will come to this. I have no doubt that the Nazi Kyiv regime, at the behest of the curators, will go for it. So far, only promises of "tough answers" ....
      "If you got into a fight, then only one thing makes sense - to win. Everything else is not worth a damn" (E. Hemingway)

      What are NATO afraid of? They, that the territory of Ukraine, that of Russia ... does not play a role.
      1. +16
        25 January 2023 16: 33
        What are NATO afraid of? They, that the territory of Ukraine, that of Russia ... does not play a role
        that's just the point ... that's why, against the background of our indecision, this option is not excluded.
        That's what we are almost a year! !!! do not touch bridges and railway junctions? .... I simply have no words ... Nobody wants a nuclear war (at least on their own territory), and there is, in my opinion, only one way to avoid it. To smash into dust the entire military infrastructure or everything that can be used for military purposes ...
        1. +2
          25 January 2023 20: 38
          "To smash the entire military infrastructure into dust" - there will not be enough missiles for this, especially taking into account the supply of Western air defense systems. But "limited" use of "tactical nuclear weapons" - it will even work out, and the pollution will not be as terrible and long as from the same uranium shells from Bradley and Abrams - almost all weapon-grade uranium goes into fission fragments and into radiation, and indeed there is not so much uranium in the ammunition .... But you need to decide on its use right now! Putin must publicly warn - if you put shells with "depleted" uranium, we will use tactical nuclear weapons in the west of Ukraine to destroy all transport communications! “Then we’ll see what happens: squealing at the UN, barking at NATO, a mass exodus of Westerners to Poland and Romania, 101 packages of sanctions, and in the end they won’t do anything to us, then it will be possible to fight further ....
          1. +1
            26 January 2023 12: 30
            And why in the west of Ukraine? If a NATO country delivered shells with uranium? If someone from a NATO country delivers dirty shells with uranium to Ukraine, it is the supplier of shells who should receive the blow!
            1. +1
              26 January 2023 20: 51
              Not only a supplier, but also transit countries too!
    2. -12
      25 January 2023 16: 46
      Our leadership is indecisive only because they do not trust us! You and I can at any time accuse the same leadership of instigating this war!? Not ? Tomorrow you will start chasing them, as soon as you smell of bacon!
      1. +6
        25 January 2023 19: 17
        Quote: Argon
        Our leadership is indecisive only because they do not trust us! You and I can at any time accuse the same leadership of instigating this war!? Not ? Tomorrow you will start chasing them, as soon as you smell of bacon!

        Our "leadership" was stunned by the free money that had fallen and decided that they were holding God by the beard and, according to their own understanding, decided that they would buy everything in Ukraine together with the opposition, one had only to pretend to capture, but it didn’t work, the khokh.ly decided not to sell themselves, but to defend themselves . Here the whole world saw the new Russia in all its glory, with a "70 percent rearmament", with a cowardly and deceitful leadership and a castrated fragment of the Soviet army with weapons 40 years old. How can you trust such a leadership that has lied so much that it doesn’t even remember what it said.
    3. 0
      25 January 2023 21: 34
      The black . Today, 16:23. - "... if the political leadership of the country continues to show indecision, constantly pushing back the" red lines ", then it will come to this ... "

      25.01.2023. 17: 40
      "INVASION" OF ZELENSKY LIVE. BROADCASTING HAD TO BE INTERRUPTED IN RUSSIAN CITIES - https://tsargrad.tv/news/vtorzhenie-zelenskogo-v-prjamom-jefire-v-gorodah-rossii-prishlos-prervat-veshhanie_711243

      Users on social networks reported that while watching television, an address from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky suddenly appeared on the screens.

      Zelensky's "invasion" was reported from several Russian cities at once. The address of the President of Ukraine was shown on TV. According to social networks, Zelensky's appeal was shown to residents of Crimea, Krasnodar and Belgorod on TV-3, STS, TNT and other TV channels.

      During the “invasion”, the usual broadcast of entertainment channels was interrupted by footage of Zelensky, who declares the exploits of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. For several seconds, viewers in Russia were shown videos of Ukrainian military personnel and equipment. Against the background, there was a Ukrainian speech by the Ukrainian president, who reports on the allegedly imminent return of territories under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    4. Two
      0
      26 January 2023 13: 13
      hi But no! We will again, knitting our brows, express concern and "an indispensable adequate response"! Nothing else is given! let's put a couple of thousand guys - but we won't straighten our eyebrows! recourse
  2. +5
    25 January 2023 16: 23
    Don't you care about M919 for M242 Gavrilov?
    1. -1
      25 January 2023 16: 32
      He doesn't know about them. Yes, and M2 / M3 are not so dangerous as to look for reasons to draw a new red line.
  3. +4
    25 January 2023 16: 24
    AND? What will our valiant diplomats do? Serezha Lavrov will puff up his cheeks again that this is a red line that cannot be crossed ??
    1. 0
      25 January 2023 18: 55
      And what should our valiant diplomats do? Start shooting everyone at the negotiations? If you don’t know, then I can enlighten you - the work of diplomats is talking. Yes, yes, their work is talking, and only when their conversations come to a standstill do guns begin to “talk” "I repeat, what do you want from them? So that they create a battalion named after Gromyko and go to the front? This is the first thing.
      Secondly. I see everyone here demanding decisive action, but however, when I say that Ukraine should be razed to the ground, even with the help of nuclear weapons, everyone who demands decisive action becomes extremely dissatisfied (if not all, but the vast majority). How to explain it? And not even nuclear weapons, I suggested carpet and again I'm wrong. So how do you act decisively? Small arms? To go into frontal attacks with a parade step? So you don't like it either. It feels like ... you don’t offer everything wrong - the main thing for you is to spoil, but why and for what reason it doesn’t matter.
      1. Two
        0
        26 January 2023 13: 14
        hi From your sayings, the late A.A. Gromyko is rolling over in his grave...
  4. +11
    25 January 2023 16: 25
    Russian diplomat Gavrilov warned about the consequences of the possible use of shells with uranium by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Leopard 2 tanks
    . And it's not funny either...
    Well, it applies if they are given such, so what ???
    1. +8
      25 January 2023 16: 33
      Quote: rocket757
      Russian diplomat Gavrilov warned about the consequences of the possible use of shells with uranium by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Leopard 2 tanks
      . And it's not funny either...
      Well, it applies if they are given such, so what ???

      I think that our Vlasik hand will not tremble ... to express another protest am
      1. +3
        25 January 2023 16: 37
        Well, yes, protest, concern, and so on ...
        At least not disgraced, even more.
        All the hard work for the top is done by our people ... they, from the top, lead and often suck.
        Alas, this is what we chose for ourselves ....
      2. -5
        25 January 2023 16: 40
        Quote: Terenin
        I think that our Vlasik hand will not tremble ... to express another protest

        They will show concern and send a note.
        And it would be necessary to show purposefulness and start using tactical nuclear weapons. otherwise people complain, they say I can’t take the reinforced concrete bunker.
    2. 0
      25 January 2023 17: 23
      Quote: rocket757
      Well, it applies if they are given such, so what ???

      First you need to deal with the Germans, they are the ones who will supply such shells.
      1. +2
        25 January 2023 17: 32
        Empty chatter ... tired of listening to this.
        You see, the deputies work for their audience ...
        They don’t need to show off in front of the voters anyway, anyway, according to party lists, they choose this.
    3. +1
      25 January 2023 17: 37
      Quote: rocket757
      And it's not funny either...
      Well, it applies if they are given such, so what ???

      If they give it, they will definitely apply it. There can be no doubts here. If they are shelling the operating Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, having survived the Chernobyl disaster on their territory, then what can we say about shells with a uranium core. Here, it will certainly be necessary to fry the supplier, so that he would no longer have discrepancies and references to the incorrect translation of redline warnings. They won't understand otherwise.
      1. +1
        25 January 2023 19: 21
        At the expense of frying ... not obvious and not likely.
    4. 0
      25 January 2023 17: 48
      The answer must be the expected use of nuclear tactical weapons on our part.
      1. 0
        25 January 2023 19: 23
        Conversation on this topic
        Damages the nervous system...
  5. +7
    25 January 2023 16: 27
    What kind of idiotic rhetoric is this? Disgrace.
    1. -2
      25 January 2023 16: 29
      Yes, the level of our diplomacy has fallen below the plinth recourse Absolutely cuckold statement.
    2. +1
      25 January 2023 19: 52
      I, too, are directly touched by such formulations: "It is likely that after this there may be grounds for the use of more serious weapons by our country." And what, it’s impossible to say clearly: in the case of application, the answer will fly there, there, and there. And so that this list includes those who apply and those who supply?
  6. +11
    25 January 2023 16: 27
    Gavrilov served as a diplomat.
    Gavrilov was a diplomat...
    He reminded me of leopard uranium.
    He threatened everyone with a new round.
    1. -1
      25 January 2023 17: 20
      Konstantin Gavrilov, head of some delegation? Arms control? Controls the supply of tanks to Ukraine?
      1. 0
        26 January 2023 00: 16
        Go figure out now what he controls there and how and for what in general. Well, so-so controller, out.
    2. +3
      25 January 2023 18: 21
      Quote: al3x
      Gavrilov served as a diplomat.
      Gavrilov was a diplomat...

      Gavrilov served as a diplomat.
      Gavrilov drew lines...
  7. +7
    25 January 2023 16: 27
    To use tactical nuclear weapons along the western border of Ukraine - let them reap ... Otherwise, these nonhumans will begin to climb into the Crimea and towards Moscow ...
    Actually, the warning is timely:
    It is likely that after this there may be grounds for the use by our country of more serious weapons at the tactical level.
    1. 0
      27 January 2023 01: 06
      :TIED
      * Rzeszow (Poland)
      * "Ternopil" district of Kiev (administrative capital) of the former Ukraine
      * tunnel from Romania (in the Carpathian mountains)
      * PORT ODESSA
      * port Nikolaev / Ochakov
      ...
      * Accumulation of "Leopards" & Smartphones in the Kharkov region
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  9. 0
    25 January 2023 16: 28
    This was stated by the head of the Russian delegation at the talks in Vienna on military security and arms control Konstantin Gavrilov.

    Are such negotiations being conducted now? Somehow I strongly doubt it, well, not the time and not the place request.
    And if not, then who is this character, what can make such loud statements?
  10. +9
    25 January 2023 16: 31
    if it happens, it should lead to the most serious consequences

    I've heard this somewhere before.... what
    It’s not funny for them from their empty threats. But the whole world quietly laughs at such impotence.
    The king is said to be naked!
    1. 0
      25 January 2023 19: 24
      ...the whole world is quietly laughing at such impotence.
      On the sly? Yes, they are already laughing out loud!
  11. +8
    25 January 2023 16: 33
    AAA! Here it is! I thought - where this time they will find an opportunity to draw a red line ... laughing
    It turns out that the supply of tanks is the norm, it’s not at all red ... but if they shoot nuclear shells - then yeah, then, of course, our ruthless response will hit them like a hurricane!
    1. +3
      25 January 2023 16: 44
      Quote: Peter_Koldunov
      but if they shoot nuclear shells

      This is not a nuclear projectile, uranium is used simply as a penetrating one instead of tungsten because it is a very heavy metal.
      1. +1
        25 January 2023 16: 47
        It's not a nuclear weapon
        You don’t tell the main thing this to a military "expert") about lead-2, not at all, otherwise a respected specialist will have a heart attack laughing
      2. +1
        27 January 2023 00: 40
        Depleted uranium spontaneously ignites on contact with an obstacle. Combustion products create a radioactive cloud that infects the surrounding area for a long time.
  12. +11
    25 January 2023 16: 34
    "Russia will have to react in a completely different way to the facts of the use of such weapons in the conflict. It is likely that after this there may be grounds for the use of more serious weapons by our country at the tactical level"

    Those. he actually admitted that on our part there are self-limitations on the use of weapons ... (I am not considering the possibility of using nuclear tactical weapons).
    Shut up...are we exchanging self-restraint (to look prettier in front of the whole world and the West?) for the lives of our soldiers?
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  14. +5
    25 January 2023 16: 43
    God! Here we have experts. It’s hard to imagine what he will say when he learns that the Abrams armor also contains this metal. Probably compare it with a mobile nuclear reactor on tracks
  15. +9
    25 January 2023 16: 45
    I think our "if" no one perceives for a long time. If they apply, then nothing will happen .. The enemy's method of crossing the "red lines" is working successfully a little bit. Imagine, a year ago, someone on the Solovyov show would have discussed the strikes on Engels or the shelling of Belgorod.
  16. +1
    25 January 2023 16: 45
    Quote: rocket757
    Russian diplomat Gavrilov warned about the consequences of the possible use of shells with uranium by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Leopard 2 tanks
    . And it's not funny either...
    Well, it applies if they are given such, so what ???

    Nothing . In terms of our response. I will not consume agricultural products from Rostov, Krasnodar and neighboring regions ... if possible.
  17. +6
    25 January 2023 16: 46
    Wow, that's another super red line. There have been too many in a year. And all passed without the slightest consequences for the West.
  18. 0
    25 January 2023 16: 49
    We have one "red line" with the West - nuclear. When the West crosses it in our understanding, so that it will rush for all the money. They will butcher us with simple weapons, they have more resources. , then the people were waiting for an answer, like a man.
  19. +6
    25 January 2023 16: 51
    Another empty statement from another petty bureaucrat who does not solve anything, but only flutters his tongue. It becomes disgusting.
  20. +6
    25 January 2023 16: 55
    Another redline painter showed up to make us laugh.
  21. +10
    25 January 2023 16: 56
    That the dill will use any weapon that is at their disposal, no one doubts, except our authorities. Which once again will complain: "We were deceived."
  22. +5
    25 January 2023 17: 00
    In the regiment of draftsmen of the red lines arrived. Soon they will form a full-fledged army - they will intimidate them with numbers
  23. 0
    25 January 2023 17: 03
    The leaders of the Russian Federation need to "stop chewing snot" and directly state that at the moment the tanks cross the Poland / Ukraine border, they will be hit by tactical nuclear weapons on Polish territory. In addition, the United States should be warned through an unofficial channel that the Russian Federation does not plan to start a nuclear war with the United States. This is the so-called. "salami tactic", invented by the Air Force in the 80s of the 20th century. No one will start World War III because of some Poland (namely the USA). As a result, the NWO will end, the economy and industry of Europe will quickly collapse to zero due to lack of energy (except for those industries that have time to move to the USA), they all accuse each other of "crimes against humanity" for some time and everything will calm down. The world will be glued into 3 parts - USA &Co. (without Europe), China (with Southeast Asia) and Russia with radioactive Europe, which again will have to be "fed and watered" at the expense of the Russians. But nothing. Let's get over it, though...
    ps But for this, a KGB lieutenant colonel must take on the yoke of being a national leader. (Without the help of V.V. Tereshkova)
    1. +3
      25 January 2023 18: 10
      Here it’s not even necessary to hit Poland, it’s enough to hit a couple of tunnels in western Ukraine with tactical nuclear weapons and the desired effect will be achieved with a minimum of casualties among the population.
    2. +3
      25 January 2023 18: 19
      No one will start World War III because of some Poland (namely the USA)
      - as for me, an extremely dubious statement
      the economy and industry of Europe will quickly collapse due to lack of energy
      - Europe has already managed to restore much more than half of the lost supplies and will fully restore it by the end of this year. Economically, Europe is more powerful than the Russian Federation.
    3. 0
      25 January 2023 19: 20
      No one will start World War III because of some Poland (namely the USA).


      Yes?
      Do you seriously think there are idiots sitting there who do not know how to play "nuclear poker"?
      And if, for example, the United States, in response, instantly deploys its tactical nuclear weapons in Poland (as, for example, they keep 50 tactical nuclear weapons at an air force base in Turkey), and even kindly inform the Poles of the unlock codes?
      What will we do? Will we start a nuclear war with Poland with the hope that the Poles "do not dare" to answer?

      The "salami tactic" was indeed invented a long time ago, and just as long ago countermoves were invented for it.
  24. +4
    25 January 2023 17: 13
    It looks like some crazy game...
    Yes, the tanks will reach the front line, and they will shoot at our military. No, we are against them firing uranium-core projectiles. That is, that they will reach and that they will shoot - in principle, they are not against it, but we are against shooting with a projectile with a uranium core!

    What is going on???
    1. 0
      25 January 2023 18: 57
      What is going on???


      I don't understand your surprise.
      What if it was different before?
      The usual indirect confrontation, as it used to be (before perestroika).
      The United States fought in Vietnam, and we supplied the Vietnamese army with weapons to make it easier for them to kill as many Americans as possible.
      We fought in Afghanistan, and the US supplied the Mujahideen with weapons to make it easier for them to kill as many of our soldiers as possible.
  25. +9
    25 January 2023 17: 38
    MFA - If there are deliveries of small arms to Ukraine, then we - UHHH!
    West - * Deliver * No reaction from the Russian Federation.
    MFA - If there are deliveries of artillery weapons and hymers to Ukraine, then we - UHHH!
    West - * Deliver * No reaction from the Russian Federation.
    MFA - If there are deliveries of heavy weapons to Ukraine, then we - UHHH!
    West - * Deliver * No reaction from the Russian Federation.
    MFA - If there are deliveries of shells with depleted uranium to the delivered heavy weapons, then we WOW!
    West - *very frightened and do not deliver*

    How do our leaders see this?
  26. +4
    25 January 2023 18: 04
    Russia will have to react very differently to the facts of the use of such weapons in the conflict

    Now they will draw 2 red lines instead of one laughing
  27. +1
    25 January 2023 18: 05
    Russia will have to react quite differently to the facts of the use of such weapons in the conflict. It is likely that after this there may be grounds for the use by our country of more serious weapons at the tactical level.

    Oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers! We haven't even started anything yet, have we?
  28. +2
    25 January 2023 18: 06
    Another red line, 5th column in all its beauty, draws lines.
  29. +4
    25 January 2023 18: 19
    It seems to me that they were not red lines, but purple snot ...
  30. -2
    25 January 2023 18: 50
    Russia will have to react quite differently to the facts of the use of such weapons in the conflict.


    Have to. We also have such shells (3BM60 "Lead-2") for tanks for a long time already in service:
    https://lenta.ru/news/2018/12/20/tank/
    The Russian modernized T-80BVM tank will be able to fire ammunition with a depleted uranium core, TASS reports.
    ... the alloy of depleted uranium with tungsten contained in the core of the projectile is called "Material-B" in open sources
    1. +1
      25 January 2023 21: 16
      That is, the projectile, but they are in no hurry to use it for obvious reasons! And in the West, the leadership, completely frostbitten, was used in Iraq, in Serbia, and will still be used without thinking about the consequences for the local population!
      1. 0
        26 January 2023 00: 48
        not in a hurry to apply it for obvious reasons!


        Yes, where did you get the idea that it is not used?
        Why was it made at all, if not used during hostilities?
  31. 0
    25 January 2023 21: 26
    Quote: tihon4uk
    AND? What will our valiant diplomats do? Serezha Lavrov will puff up his cheeks again that this is a red line that cannot be crossed ??

    Kyiv's use of uranium-tipped projectiles for Leopard 2 tanks will be regarded by Moscow as the use of dirty nuclear bombs, Konstantin Gavrilov, head of the Russian delegation at the talks in Vienna on military security and arms control, said.
    "We warn Western sponsors of the Kyiv military machine from encouraging nuclear provocations and blackmail. We know that the Leopard 2 tank, as well as the Bradley and Marder infantry fighting vehicles, are armed with uranium-core armor-piercing projectiles, the use of which leads to contamination of the area, as happened in Yugoslavia and Iraq. If Kyiv is supplied with such shells for NATO heavy military equipment, we will consider this as the use of dirty nuclear bombs against Russia, with all the ensuing consequences," the diplomat said, speaking at the OSCE Forum for Security Cooperation.
  32. 0
    26 January 2023 02: 45
    Russian diplomat Gavrilov warned about the consequences of the possible use of shells with uranium by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Leopard 2 tanks
    I wonder what? Another concussion of the air of our Foreign Ministry members?
  33. 0
    26 January 2023 12: 31
    And why in the west of Ukraine? If a NATO country delivered shells with uranium? If someone from a NATO country delivers dirty shells with uranium to Ukraine, it is the supplier of shells who should receive the blow!
  34. 0
    26 January 2023 12: 49
    Another ,, redline ,,, would have woken up from his comatose sleep, soon the planes would be delivered
  35. 0
    26 January 2023 12: 55
    Too streamlined, but if so: "The use of shells with a depleted uranium core will be regarded as the use of a dirty atomic bomb. As a response, the Russian Federation will use tactical nuclear weapons." And it’s not Gavrilov who should be voicing ...
  36. 0
    26 January 2023 13: 47
    Deputies, diplomats ..... balabolki, empty talk. You can grind with your tongue when you don’t answer for anything ...... even for words
  37. 0
    26 January 2023 14: 30
    Nobody believes any threats for a long time. The time for words has passed 10 months ago, now only the use of the atomic bomb can scare the West.
  38. 0
    26 January 2023 16: 37
    No one seriously considers all these warnings anymore ...
  39. 0
    26 January 2023 17: 30
    Yes, you don’t have to evaluate anything, you need to take and strike with tactical nuclear weapons in several places at the same time, and then evaluate the reaction and decide how many more times to add.
  40. -2
    26 January 2023 17: 55
    What, did you get a new red marker in your hands? Are the old red lines worn out?
    Fists are clenched in impotent anger... More than 20 years in retirement... But if they declare a general, I'll go, I know how and I can.
  41. +1
    27 January 2023 00: 23
    First of all, the territory of Western Ukraine and the Odessa region will become uninhabitable, after strikes on warehouses for storing NATO tanks and ammunition with depleted uranium. They probably create the conditions for their irrevocable move to the West in this way, not otherwise. Maybe Chernobyl is not an accident, but a sabotage organized by Bandera, aimed at inciting anti-Russian sentiment among the population. What else to be surprised if the guys are clearly without a head.
  42. 0
    27 January 2023 07: 04
    As usual, they will use one or two projectiles in a revealing way, create a precedent, we will keep silent as usual, and then as usual. In the beginning, they were afraid to supply helmets, but now they are not afraid to talk about planes - after all, there is no answer ...