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NATO countries should again move to increased defense spending - Rasmussen

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NATO countries should again move to increased defense spending - RasmussenNATO countries must stop cutting military budgets and re-proceed to increasing defense spending. Such was the keynote of today's speech by the Secretary General of the Alliance, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, at the 58 session of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, which ends here.

"Defense spending is reduced in all countries of the alliance. We need economic recovery. And based on this, we need recovery in the area of ​​defense spending," he stressed. According to Rasmussen, it is first necessary to “stop the cuts,” and then proceed to increase allocations for defense purposes. “Freedom does not come for free. And any decision made to improve our economy should not plunge us into another kind of crisis — into a security crisis,” he said.

As the main reasons that should prompt the governments of the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance to increase defense spending, he called the policy of the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China in this area. "By 2015, China will surpass eight major European members of NATO together in military spending. And Russia intends to double its defense budget from 3 percent to 6 percent of GDP over the next 10 years," the head of the alliance said.

According to Rasmussen, compared with 2009 year, the total expenditure of NATO countries on defense in 2011 decreased by 56 billion dollars. Only 6 of the European members of NATO increased their military budgets in 2011, however their growth was insignificant.
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  1. traveler
    traveler 12 November 2012 17: 05
    +18
    At one time, the USSR was "finished off" by an arms race, now the EU will be "bankrupted" by the old and tested method wink
    1. mda
      mda 12 November 2012 17: 24
      +10
      But how else to destroy the US of its competitor, the European Union. what
      1. traveler
        traveler 12 November 2012 17: 59
        +4
        I just now "struck", I hope they will not write the State Secret to the disclosures: Maybe our leadership, with its declarations of rearmament and massive supplies of equipment by 2020 (2030), is drawing NATO into a "tailspin" of the arms race? They used to troll us SDI, now they can get a "return"? Here, our PLA is also strengthening (engines, S-300, aircraft carrier ...) I understand that it’s nonsense, but in every joke ... wink
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 12 November 2012 23: 40
          +1
          Yeah, scared !!! That's it! Let's increase the budget, because so much extra money right?
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 12 November 2012 19: 50
        +5
        Amer want to Europe to hang part of their military spending. But Europeans are accustomed to smashing bugs about defense on someone, then on us during the Warsaw Pact, now America is blown away for them.
        1. donchepano
          donchepano 13 November 2012 09: 05
          -1
          Is there a problem for America? The Rothschild Fed will print how many trillions of dollars are needed to maintain NATO's defense capabilities. Moreover, green papers are not backed up by anything (gold reserves)
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 12 November 2012 18: 10
      +8
      But how bl..di themselves all this time increased armament does not count? SS-18 on your head! am
      1. 53-Sciborskiy
        53-Sciborskiy 12 November 2012 18: 41
        +2
        President Putin delivered an ultimatum on Euro-missile defense to NATO countries.
        “As a last resort, he threatened to transfer billions of bills of officials from Western banks.”
        1. donchepano
          donchepano 13 November 2012 09: 06
          0
          your bills?
      2. Slayer
        Slayer 12 November 2012 18: 41
        +10
        Yes, NATO’s main armies have long wanted to sneeze on the alliance (with the exception of France, England, and other troops ... x). Germany has been sneezing on the alliance for about 5 years now, it only sends out the contingent which it is obligated to expel under the agreement and not by a soldier anymore; their priority is not support for the policy of Amers, but their own country. I will not be amazed if the Germans will soon send all of Europe with forest and amers in the first place)))
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 12 November 2012 21: 37
          0
          Quote: Slayer
          I will not be amazed if the Germans will soon send all of Europe with forest and amers in the first place)))

          Stopudnyak! wassat
          1. rolik
            rolik 12 November 2012 23: 11
            +1
            If Merkel is at the helm, they will not be sent, unfortunately.
    3. WW3
      WW3 12 November 2012 18: 38
      +14
      Quote: traveler
      At one time the USSR was "finished off" by an arms race

      And that the USSR had to disarm and surrender to the US and NATO? The USSR "finished off" Gorbachev with its "perestroika" and "glasnost" centrifugal forces intensified and the USSR collapsed .... For example, I am very sorry that this happened ....
      1. traveler
        traveler 12 November 2012 18: 46
        -4
        Quote: WW3
        And what did the USSR need to disarm and surrender to the United States and NATO?

        The SA, together with the Warsaw Pact, was a serious force and the whole of Europe was "shaking" in front of this power, there were packages in the safes and plans for marches throughout Europe were worked out in detail, there were a lot of tanks, but then Reagan announced the SDI program (strategic defense initiative), there was misinformation that all ICBMs are reduced to 0 (they are shot down in space by lasers) and ours were led ...
        As a result, they "torn the navel", ruined the economy, and hence the result strengthened by Judas Marked
        1. WW3
          WW3 12 November 2012 18: 56
          +5
          Quote: traveler
          As a result, they "torn the navel", ruined the economy, and hence the result strengthened by Judas Marked

          Economic reasons are secondary, the GDP of the USSR was wow, and the first seller in the world of weapons and the neighbors had enough for themselves ... primarily, "the fish rots from the head" the head of Bear Marked is a curse, he started the process when the Berlin wall was destroyed ... Germans though he is still idolized for this ...
          1. traveler
            traveler 12 November 2012 19: 10
            +4
            Quote: WW3
            Economic reasons are secondary

            Well, you don’t get enough tanks, but you don’t get dressed in airplanes ...
            Quote: WW3
            and the first seller in the world of weapons, and the neighbors also had enough.

            the USSR handed out instead of selling weapons, he also distributed the dollars earned for the sale of oil and gas to the Papuans who embarked on the socialist path of development, then the loans were written off as irrevocable ..
            Eastern Europe sat on Soviet free oil and gas, etc.
            So, as it is one-sided, you are looking at that time hi
            1. Slayer
              Slayer 12 November 2012 19: 16
              +4
              Quote: traveler
              The USSR handed out weapons, but didn’t sell even the dollars it received for the sale of oil and gas to the Papuans who embarked on the socialist path of development, then the loans were written off as irrevocable ..
              Eastern Europe sat on Soviet free oil and gas, etc.
              So, as it is one-sided, you are looking at that time

              Now this money does not go to the developing socialist states, but to the oligarchs’s pocket, so there isn’t much difference, unless the amers of the world sensed impunity and the masters of the world))
              1. MG42
                MG42 12 November 2012 22: 29
                +5
                The USSR destroyed Gorbachov introduced "confusion and vacillation" into the country, these transmissions of the "perestroika searchlight" type, acceleration, publicity, operation-cooperation

                Aphorisms and quotes, statements Gorbachev Mikhail Sergeevich

                One must hold on to power smartly.

                Now I will go with an even bigger visor.

                Reforms must be completed by the one who started them. And I started them!

                The situation has already tempered us, and we know who hu really is.

                To calculate how much vodka is drunk would be enough to help many in need.

                Some citizens believe that we need a solid person, because we are all in big shit.

                The booze was everywhere. Both in production and in departments. I know this from the work of Raisa Maximovna.

                I am in this case with Jesus Christ. He was the first socialist with us. There is nothing to be done.


                I say what I think. In the same way, when they say about me that they think, and without even thinking, they say. Why then, thinking, I can’t say?

                And, frankly, they hoped that the developed West would carry us in our arms. Well no! This is an illusion, utopia, no one will wear anyone anywhere.
            2. WW3
              WW3 12 November 2012 19: 23
              +2
              Quote: traveler
              The Soviet Union handed out weapons, but did not sell even more dollars, the proceeds from the sale of oil and gas were distributed to the Papuans embarked on the socialist path

              Well, not the "Papuans" but our allies, but the amers really had a bench press point when the rockets were in Cuba
              US National Archives & Records Administration CUBA MISSILES
          2. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 13 November 2012 06: 51
            0
            So he still hangs out there.
        2. the polar
          the polar 12 November 2012 20: 09
          +10
          Do not repeat nonsense after the liberals of the 90's

          The state monopoly on alcoholic products brought the USSR budget up to 23% of the total, and the military budget spent 15% of the "alcoholic money".
          The collapse of the SSR occurred as a result of the betrayal of the nomenclature, and not financial and economic exhaustion.
          1. WW3
            WW3 12 November 2012 20: 21
            +4
            I somehow found in the attic the old magazines "Ogonyok" 90 years old, very curious ... readers wrote "the light fumes" ... and who published it is known ...
          2. GSH-18
            GSH-18 12 November 2012 21: 54
            -8
            Quote: Polar
            The state monopoly on alcoholic products brought the USSR budget up to 23% of the total, and the military budget spent 15% of the "alcoholic money".
            The collapse of the SSR occurred as a result of the betrayal of the nomenclature, and not financial and economic exhaustion.

            Nonsense! Our whole country was on a military track! More than half of the total population worked at enterprises of the defense complex, which is 15% of 23% ??! Think before you write such nonsense! “Betrayal of the nomenklatura!” Are empty, loud, unconfirmed words. Whom did she, I wonder, and most importantly, how did she betray ?? laughing
        3. old rocket man
          old rocket man 12 November 2012 23: 55
          0
          traveler,
          The economy of the USSR, built on strict planning and distribution, was ruined not by the arms race, but by the exorbitant gratuitous aid to the "fraternal regimes" and the idiotic policy of the "combiner" am
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 13 November 2012 07: 42
            +1
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            The economy of the USSR, built on strict planning and distribution, was ruined not by the arms race, but by the exorbitant gratuitous aid to the "fraternal regimes" and the idiotic policy of the "combiner"

            - too straightforward planned economy also said its word. Products, once approved by the State Planning Committee, but not in demand due to fluctuations in fashion and other reasons, were nevertheless produced, they consumed raw materials, energy, salaries, bonuses for fulfilling the plan (!), But then all this settled as a dead weight on the shelves shops. My heart was bleeding when the shelves were completely filled with generally good shoes, the whole "joint" of which - the wrong heel or the wrong sock, people refused to buy them, chasing some kind of sucky salamanders. And this is millions of rubles down the drain!
            But nevertheless, the State Planning Commission must be revived, but it must not be so straightforward to plan. Better to plan to capture market share. Like, if now the share of Russian shoe companies in Russia itself is 20% (this is still a good figure, I doubt it too), taken into account for sales, then plan to reach 23% next year, etc. But this presupposes the creation of a sophisticated measuring instrument at the State Statistics Service of the Russian Federation with highly professional specialists, "especially resistant to bribes."
        4. Averias
          Averias 13 November 2012 09: 48
          0
          The fact that misinformation about SDI worked, yes. But in all other respects, let me doubt your words, Mr. Traveler, for example, the fact that the United States at that time allocated huge doughs for the development of the same "Star Bullets" is a fact, only not voiced. When our people tested the Solar Sail project, when Florida residents watched at sunrise "a second sun in miniature and hysterically called the military, they say they see a giant UFO landing, when we tested the transmission of solar energy via a microwave beam from a satellite and accidentally burned the tundra in Yakutia ( the satellite missed the receiver.) The Pentagon was stunned by this fact, having estimated the option of using it as a weapon. And to this day, about our strike satellites (just launched at that time) a secret under seven seals. The Americans have invested the same dough in nowhere, only here they are silent about it.
          1. Averias
            Averias 13 November 2012 10: 33
            0
            In pursuit of the "traveler's" comment about SDI. Not later than yesterday, at dinner, I watched on TV another "sensational" masterpiece on REN-TV in the "military secret" program with Prokopenko about the next "super" space drone X-37B, what fairy tales were not told about it, they say while he no one saw him in space and flew him (this means that our Outer Space Monitoring Tools are suckers or what?) super high-speed engine (you saw its size, it fits under the wing of a strteg.bomber) and a lot of other nonsense. Is this an order from the Pentagon or something, if so, then such a transfer is equivalent to treason. And most importantly, not a word was said how much this project costs, and how much money has already been thrown into this project, but it has devoured money and continues to eat immeasurably - why not SDI of Soviet times just for a turn? Our fellows, at one time played with the "Spiral" and put it off until better times. And here it is :)).
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 12 November 2012 21: 42
        -2
        Quote: WW3
        And that the USSR had to disarm and surrender to the US and NATO? The USSR "finished off" Gorbachev with its "perestroika" and "glasnost" centrifugal forces intensified and the USSR collapsed .... For example, I am very sorry that this happened ....

        The Soviet Union first and foremost began to mismanage the country in a period of change! And the amers helped before that (they kept oil prices low). I am also very sorry that the Soviet Union collapsed. Now in his former space of the madhouse, lawlessness, arbitrariness and misunderstandings has become much more! belay
        1. MG42
          MG42 12 November 2012 21: 56
          0
          Quote: GSH-18
          The Soviet Union first and foremost began to mismanage the country in a period of change!

          I agree, I wrote this above, only the "period of change" this "wind of change" came up with the same inept leadership in the person of Gorbachov, during Brezhnev's "stagnation" everything was OK!
          I was born in the Soviet Union ...!
        2. Averias
          Averias 13 November 2012 09: 59
          0
          Well, actually, if not for Saudi Arabia, having agreed with the United States and dropping oil prices at that time, the United States would not have done that. If you write, write in fact, huh huh so to speak.
    4. Hysnik-Tsuzoy
      Hysnik-Tsuzoy 12 November 2012 19: 24
      +1
      Quote: traveler
      in a tried and tested way, the EU will "bankrupt

      They will not go bankrupt; for the EU, this is a way to create jobs and support the economy, preserving high-tech industries during the economic crisis.
  2. patsantre
    patsantre 12 November 2012 17: 06
    +7
    Some strange calculations, the most powerful armies of Europe and NATO (not counting the United States) have military spending of $ 30-50 billion, like in 3 years China will have under 300 billion? Given that now, at least officially, about hundreds, in reality, maybe a few more ...
    1. mda
      mda 12 November 2012 17: 29
      +4
      Quote: patsantre
      Some strange calculations, the most powerful armies of Europe and NATO (not counting the United States) have military spending of $ 30-50 billion, like in 3 years China will have under 300 billion? Given that now, at least officially, about hundreds, in reality, maybe a few more ...

      They can still not calculate it there. lol
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 12 November 2012 17: 09
    +1
    ahh, the Americans are no longer pulling "security and stability in the world." redefined, "democrats"
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 November 2012 22: 06
      -1
      Quote: andrei332809
      ahh, the Americans are no longer pulling "security and stability in the world." redefined, "the democrats

      Amer want to remake the whole world for themselves, so as not to report to anyone else for anything. However, while there are Russia, China and India and other countries in the world with an anti-Amerian bias in politics, the Amerians will not be able to do this in the next 50 years. There will be intense fuss with varying success, which will generously add fuel to the fire to the news media and to this site. I think so... hi
  4. Drednout
    Drednout 12 November 2012 17: 14
    +1
    It is still Georgia that has not joined them.
    1. traveler
      traveler 12 November 2012 17: 18
      +4
      Quote: Drednout

      It is still Georgia that has not joined them.

      They already in Afghanistan felt the Georgian "alliance" ... The article was from an American instructor, how Georgians steal everything without disdaining even antennas from walkie-talkies laughing Well, in August 2008 they showed themselves well as "suppliers" of captured equipment, amers still cannot forgive KShM vehicles based on Hammer, they tried to "shake" them back from Russia, but our captive instructors were returned and "hushed up" on this laughing
  5. Anxious
    Anxious 12 November 2012 17: 14
    +3
    Half of the NATO countries cannot deal with internal problems - the economic crisis is making itself felt, and they plan to increase spending.
    1. Andrey64
      Andrey64 12 November 2012 17: 17
      +5
      So Amer’s defense industry should be fed however ...
    2. the polar
      the polar 12 November 2012 20: 14
      0
      "Freedom doesn't come for free." said Rasmussen out loud, and added to himself, "big pi ... dec will come to you for your money"
    3. donchepano
      donchepano 13 November 2012 09: 12
      0
      let them increase)))
  6. neri73-r
    neri73-r 12 November 2012 17: 15
    +3
    Let them increase, you can’t buy a soldier for grandmothers, but pederasts and lesbians will not fight, they themselves teach the principle - each for himself. A man is fighting, not a car, the best soldiers are still growing on our territory, maybe even in China, the Germans have already been plucked into human beings, the Anglo-Saxons like to fight with other people.
    1. the polar
      the polar 12 November 2012 20: 19
      +5
      The Chinese army does not have a "history of victories", they are not so hot soldiers.
      Our eternal allies and best fighters are Belarusians, Ukrainians and small nationalities; Bashkirs, Tatars, who since 1812 of the year, together with the Russians fought in the same ranks.
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 12 November 2012 22: 16
        -2
        Quote: Polar
        The Chinese army does not have a "history of victories", they are not so hot soldiers.

        Huh! Duc, but they have an army of 100 million people. They do not need to fight! For example, they will simply declare war on us, and immediately surrender to the whole economy! laughing laughing wassat
      2. old rocket man
        old rocket man 13 November 2012 00: 11
        +3
        Quote: Polar

        The Chinese army does not have a "history of victories", they are not so hot soldiers.


        It is only partly true. They are not so hot soldiers, but in any case the Chinese take .. by the number and quantity, they can’t keep their stubbornness, they fought with the Japanese for 20 years with a pitchfork, but did not stop the resistance and, in the end, got their way.
        He said more than once, the Chinese must be taken seriously, but there are no simple opponents in the war.
  7. sergskak
    sergskak 12 November 2012 17: 28
    +1
    As the main reasons that should encourage the governments of the North Atlantic Alliance to increase defense spending, he called the policy of the Russian Federation and China in this area.
    Our generals have changed and there will probably be a more competent policy. That’s the whole background to this kind of statement.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 November 2012 22: 19
      0
      Quote: sergskak
      Our generals have changed and there will probably be a more competent policy. That’s the whole background to this kind of statement.

      Here I agree. Most likely it is.
  8. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 12 November 2012 17: 31
    +2
    NATO countries would like to give advice ... But you do not surround Russia from all sides, do not prepare to annex Russia, do not meddle in the affairs of a sovereign state and you will not need to spend money on the defense ... Russia itself never attacked, but only put in place presumptuous Europeans ... I think that the lessons of the past so far are not good for Europeans with brains capitalized on by banditry stolen ... As for Rasmussen’s PR, I believe that the United States simply wants to create a public opinion that the United States missile defense, Now it will be European and the Russians’ claims to the State Department will be removed by themselves ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 November 2012 22: 20
      -1
      Quote: Gorchakov
      NATO countries would like to give advice ... But you do not surround Russia from all sides, do not prepare to annex Russia, do not meddle in the affairs of a sovereign state and you will not need to spend money on the defense ... Russia itself never attacked, but only put in place presumptuous Europeans ... I think that the lessons of the past so far are not good for Europeans with brains capitalized on by banditry stolen ... As for Rasmussen’s PR, I believe that the United States simply wants to create a public opinion that the United States missile defense, Now it will be European and the Russians’ claims to the State Department will be removed by themselves ...

      Plus!
  9. homosum20
    homosum20 12 November 2012 17: 32
    +2
    Russia plans to spend up to the year 20 as much as the United States spends per year.
    1. hrych
      hrych 12 November 2012 20: 53
      +3
      Their AUGs are constantly circulating around the ocean, and this is not cheap, but here "Chabanenko" floats and back. The kids from the state army are entitled to expensive soft toilet paper, petroleum jelly, etc. And their salary is not in comparison with our conscripts. And the F-22 costs 350-400 million of greens (ept., Almost half a billion).
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 12 November 2012 22: 23
        +1
        Quote: hrych
        Their AUGs are constantly circulating around the ocean, and this is not cheap, but here "Chabanenko" floats and back. The kids from the state army are entitled to expensive soft toilet paper, petroleum jelly, etc. And their salary is not in comparison with our conscripts. And the F-22 costs 350-400 million of greens (ept., Almost half a billion).

        This is what you need to strive for good soldier laughing
  10. InkGrey
    InkGrey 12 November 2012 17: 36
    +2
    If the country has plans to increase defense spending, then such statements do not play much weather. If there are no such plans - similarly. Here, they correctly pointed out that the participating countries already have enough worries. How many devidends will the Germans receive from such an increase? they already deal with the financial problems of other countries in fact.
    Now let's look at the list of participating countries. How many can even afford the cost increase?
    I don’t think that a situation is possible here when everyone will say at once: "Yes, sir, right, sir, now how we decide, how we get together, how we approve the increase in defense spending!"
  11. XTyJIX
    XTyJIX 12 November 2012 17: 37
    +2
    Indeed, there are few tanks and aircraft to fight terrorists, even more is needed! And nobody says that even 1% is not involved in the fight against the "main" threat to Europe. And who is the main geopolitical enemy against whom this armada gathered, too, everyone is silent ...
  12. Kyki57
    Kyki57 12 November 2012 17: 42
    0
    We need to create our NATO in revenge with great China, and then we
    no fear in the world!
  13. Mishael
    Mishael 12 November 2012 17: 45
    +1
    Once again, I don’t understand why the article is being minus? ..
    If this is disinformation, where is the rebuttal, and why should the spears be broken among themselves? ..
    If the info is reliable - the article is a big plus, there are more reasons to think about the command in the person of the new composition of the Moscow Region and Mr. Rogozin soldier
  14. IRBIS
    IRBIS 12 November 2012 17: 53
    +1
    Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy - The European Union is bursting at the seams. The main donor is Germany, but there, too, there was a decline in production and unemployment began to rise. And then there is winter on the nose, cold weather and energy shortages. It seems to me that even without an increase in military spending, the European Union will leave this winter in an incomplete composition. They take too much on themselves, lest the navels come loose.
  15. surveyor
    surveyor 12 November 2012 18: 13
    0
    why was he so scared. drinks
  16. Orik
    Orik 12 November 2012 18: 22
    +5
    And I put a plus laughing , good news, the USA does not pull, EVERYTHING except Germany, EU countries cannot bear current payments. What does it mean? Perhaps, if not decay, then weakening ties, which is clearly at hand for us.
    1. Yariath
      Yariath 12 November 2012 18: 53
      +3
      I agree, let them arm themselves. The world is objectively preparing for the next global confrontation, and these conclusions of NATO are logical. The only question is, will we Russians be ready faster and better? I sincerely do not want readiness to be defined "as always." soldier Article "+"
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 November 2012 22: 25
      -1
      Quote: Orik
      And I put laughing plus, the good news is not pulled by the USA, EVERYTHING except Germany, the EU countries cannot bear current payments. What does it mean? Perhaps, if not decay, then weakening ties, which is clearly at hand for us.

      I am, zer buzzing! laughing
  17. artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk 12 November 2012 18: 30
    0
    It is necessary to write in all the media that Russia spends 100% of its GDP on the defense industry, let them "envy", here are the Europeaters.
    1. InkGrey
      InkGrey 12 November 2012 19: 14
      0
      Yeah, and let's say that the people are fed up with the "Great Idea of ​​the Bright Future of the Nation and the Fall of the Decaying West". No, thanks - we don't need such information, don't exaggerate like that) ..
      Better systematically increasing the military power of the country without failures in other areas.
  18. Slevinst
    Slevinst 12 November 2012 18: 40
    +2
    The very joke is that we have petrodollars for rearmament which will soon depreciate, and Europeans will have to spend their Jews, it seems to me that the economic background is also in the reform of the Russian army, we are getting rid of waste paper and at the same time we are strengthening military power
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 12 November 2012 19: 45
      0
      Quote: Slevinst
      get rid of the waste paper

      how? or workers at the defense industry plants began to pay dollars?
      1. hrych
        hrych 12 November 2012 20: 35
        +3
        For the modernization of the defense industry, in particular, the purchase of Japanese and German machine tools is required, even the Union bought good machines, and this is not a pity for the currency. Let the Japanese make the machines, and we will do such things on these machines that they can only dream of.
  19. stray
    stray 12 November 2012 18: 54
    0
    and who is he talking to? an hour not to the Greeks, Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians? with these for NATO serious loot will definitely break off! there are still Bulgarians with Romanians, they also throw a pack of cartridges.
  20. Mr.Fox
    Mr.Fox 12 November 2012 19: 32
    -9
    Incidentally, one should not be ironic about Georgia’s entry into NATO. There will be nothing funny for Russia if a powerful American group unfolds nearby. It will not be one base, but a good bridgehead.

    In my opinion, the war with Georgia was just a monstrous failure for Russia. The very fact of its beginning, and not who shot who more. If Saakashvili did not suit, he had to be bribed, killed, compromised, but not to fight with the Georgian people! Even before Tskhinvali happened. And there is no need to tell that, they say, the FSB, the GRU and others "did not know" that something was planned there, they were "not ready." Since they did not know, they were not ready (although, of course, they were ready for war, this is obvious), it means to drive the guilty with a filthy broom. Now, quite justifiably, the Georgians are ready to accept NATO, because it was not the Americans who bombed their country. Putin will definitely not be able to restore relations between states. Wait for a new person to come. Not Medved, of course.
    1. traveler
      traveler 12 November 2012 19: 41
      +1
      Quote: Mr.Fox
      Incidentally, one should not be ironic about Georgia’s entry into NATO

      Yes, Georgians and NATO will not enter nowhere, they are needed, like cannon fodder and nothing more.
      Quote: Mr.Fox
      In my opinion, the war with Georgia was simply a monstrous failure for Russia.

      There is no failure. There are territorial claims because of which Georgia cannot join NATO wink
      Quote: Mr.Fox
      The very fact of its beginning

      Well, yes, peacekeepers and residents of Yu.O. provoked peaceful Mishiko fool
      Quote: Mr.Fox
      If Saakashvili did not suit him, he had to be bribed, killed, compromised, but not fought with the Georgian people!

      Didn’t you have to kiss him in the ass?
      Quote: Mr.Fox
      Now, quite justifiably, the Georgians are ready to accept NATO, because not the Americans bombed their country.

      You are completely confused about who bombed whom and who attacked whom. Read the chronicle and you will understand who the aggressor is, and who defended their peacekeepers, their own and foreign civilians.
      1. svs
        svs 12 November 2012 21: 35
        0
        Yes, Georgians and NATO will not enter nowhere, they are needed, like cannon fodder and nothing more. - NATO doesn’t really need cannon fodder, but such a chic Platzdarm in the Caucasus is for them a tidbit.
        And if Russia could not have shown anything for this, Georgia would have been in NATO for a long time and no clauses of the charter of this organization would have prevented.
    2. sergskak
      sergskak 12 November 2012 20: 51
      0
      Quote: Mr.Fox
      Wait for a new man to come.
      Just do what we sit and wait!
      Quote: Mr.Fox
      that the FSB, the GRU and others "did not know" that something was planned there
      Yes, everyone knew everything. Did you see the result? Do not drag Georgia to this topic. It's just a pimple that was not squeezed out in time.
    3. Botanologist
      Botanologist 12 November 2012 21: 09
      0
      Putin will definitely fail to restore relations between states.

      And you tell me why the hell to us to restore them? Georgia wants - let it come, let's talk. He doesn’t want - do not. Our South-East Military District is very well equipped, by the way.
    4. Vladimir 70
      Vladimir 70 12 November 2012 21: 19
      +3
      Mr.Fox, Mishka Saakashvili killed Russian peacekeepers. After that, Russia had every moral right to take "an eraser and erase Tbilisi from the world map." For example, the democratic state of Israel does this.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 12 November 2012 21: 29
        0
        [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = 3SAtZ-hdXhE Russian peacekeepers extinguish Georgian policemen, watch to the end good
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 12 November 2012 21: 31
        +3
        look to the end good
        1. stasuk
          stasuk 12 November 2012 22: 31
          +2
          Our fellows, did not turn on the back !!!
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 12 November 2012 22: 58
            +1
            On that stand soldier it’s not a matter of hardening, the sword is strong with a shoulder.
        2. Zlodeey
          Zlodeey 12 November 2012 22: 52
          +3
          on
          the same topic.
        3. tekinoral
          tekinoral 12 November 2012 23: 09
          -6
          20 people for five are very cool
        4. Zlodeey
          Zlodeey 12 November 2012 23: 38
          +2
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    5. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 November 2012 22: 37
      0
      Quote: Mr.Fox
      There will be nothing funny for Russia if a powerful American group unfolds nearby. It will not be one base, but a good bridgehead.

      For those who do not know: in Georgia now there are TWO Amer military bases, which our bases in Abkhazia and the ships of the Black Sea Navy are opposing. Nothing, I’m sure, this is a temporary tactical success of Amer’s strategists! soldier
  21. sergskak
    sergskak 12 November 2012 19: 35
    0
    And we are happy to help their military-industrial complex: willows, mistrals and other nonsense with "amazing" technologies beyond the control of our designers and scientists.
  22. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 12 November 2012 19: 45
    0
    Yes, he’s just bluffing.
    First, let your economy recover.
    1. hrych
      hrych 12 November 2012 20: 41
      +2
      Here, Ivan, he, before starting to increase defense spending, he desired stop the fall their. And how can you stop them, and who will listen to this muddak is another question.
  23. Simon
    Simon 12 November 2012 20: 31
    0
    Let them increase their appropriation for armaments, this will finally tear Europe to pieces. Greece is already rebelling. hi
  24. valton
    valton 12 November 2012 20: 43
    +1
    Laughter, and more! Europe is bursting at the seams from the crisis. The collapse of the European Union is on the nose, and it is about an increase in defense spending. This is another financial injection, which means tightening the "belts" is even tighter. Well, if your people will allow you, then the flag is in your hands and forward to ........!
  25. mazdie
    mazdie 12 November 2012 20: 45
    +1
    Continuous prerequisites, something is planned on our ball ....
  26. bask
    bask 12 November 2012 20: 52
    +1
    If NATO was told to chip in, defense, that means they are preparing yet another ,,, democratic, operation to change the regime ...... With ,,, targeted ,,, strikes against civilians. And the complete destruction of infrastructure. ..
  27. Botanologist
    Botanologist 12 November 2012 21: 06
    0
    It is clear that the Secretary General of NATO is very concerned about the state of the armed forces. All of Europe barely had enough missiles for the war in Libya (England, in my opinion, even borrowed missiles from someone). And given the tendency to save amid the crisis, soon NATO in general may remain a house of cards.

    Then they, poor fellow, will have to conduct very difficult negotiations with Russia, explaining how frightened their Egyptian (as well as Albanian, Libyan and others) democratic revolution brought to the goats, from which they now need to defend themselves.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 November 2012 22: 42
      -1
      Quote: Botanologist
      It is clear that the Secretary General of NATO is very concerned about the state of the armed forces. All of Europe barely had enough missiles for the war in Libya (England, in my opinion, even borrowed missiles from someone). And given the tendency to save amid the crisis, soon NATO in general may remain a house of cards.

      I do not agree with this.
      Quote: Botanologist
      Then they, poor fellow, will have to conduct very difficult negotiations with Russia, explaining how frightened their Egyptian (as well as Albanian, Libyan and others) democratic revolution brought to the goats, from which they now need to defend themselves.

      And I agree with that.
  28. Insurgent
    Insurgent 12 November 2012 21: 10
    0
    Actually, NATO was not defensive but was created as an agressor.
  29. tekinoral
    tekinoral 12 November 2012 21: 25
    -3
    But the bastards of NATO do not take into account the interest of Russia!
    1. hrych
      hrych 13 November 2012 02: 21
      +2
      Something Tekin, you didn’t figure it out, they’re not scum, they just ran out of money, and the unfortunate Rasmuson cries that his contentment will be cut.
  30. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 12 November 2012 21: 30
    +1
    What they sow, they will reap
  31. Stasi.
    Stasi. 12 November 2012 21: 39
    +1
    Before increasing budgets, you will have to dump the ballast in the form of Greece and all of Eastern Europe, completely stop funding it and concentrate on yourself. About the reasons for the defeat of the USSR in the Cold War. The main reason for the defeat is that the USSR no longer had a national idea, no one believed in it. The youth had a firm conviction that the Union was hopelessly behind the West in everything. In fact, we did not know a lot about our country, about its strength and power. Much was hidden from us under the censorship and the veil of secrecy, much of what one could be proud of. And only now we began to find out what country the Soviet Union was, what achievements it had. The West has also tried very hard to promote its so-called superiority. One of the propaganda methods was the movie produced by Hollywood. During the Cold War era, films about the backwardness and primitiveness of the Soviet army and Soviet weapons were printed in large numbers. A classic is the movie about Rambo, an American special forces soldier who killed Soviet soldiers in batches and surpassed them in everything. All this Hollywood brew was created with one goal - to cause us a so-called inferiority complex and make us stop being proud of our army. The worst thing is that our agitprop almost did not react to such a movie. The only more or less adequate answer to all this was one single film in which the Soviet soldier is not inferior to the American "Solo Voyage".
    1. hrych
      hrych 13 November 2012 02: 32
      +3
      That's right, but the Cold War is not over yet, the USSR, in one form or another, will be reinstated, and the EU will be destroyed. I think that the enemies fell into euphoria early.
  32. Rossmk
    Rossmk 12 November 2012 21: 42
    +1
    They will "tear the navel" to pull the strap with such military expenses in such conditions. The brazen Saxons want to cut their spending at the expense of the EU, and the EU wants their asses to cover Saxons for free.
  33. подводник
    подводник 12 November 2012 22: 05
    0
    Simple question:
    Who does Andres Fogh Rasmussen serve?
    America ... NATO ... EU ...?
    The correct answer is America.
    Break the last forces of the European Union in a meaningless race for China and Russia !!!
    Yeah, freak parade!
  34. schapchits
    schapchits 12 November 2012 22: 09
    -1
    Quote: Kyki57
    We need to create our NATO in revenge with great China, and then to us not a damn thing in the world!

    We have no one to fear without China !!!!!!
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 November 2012 22: 51
      0
      Quote: schapchits
      We have no one to fear without China !!!!!!

      sad I'm afraid the principle may work: whoever is not with us is against us! Better let China be with us than against us. In politics, everything that is not yours immediately becomes a stranger.
  35. T-130
    T-130 12 November 2012 22: 19
    0
    Yes, a good idea! Given the current economic situation, it is doubtful that even the United States will pull a serious increase in spending! And what about the EU, where there are a lot of bankrupt!
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 November 2012 22: 55
      -1
      Quote: T-130
      Yes, a good idea! Given the current economic situation, it is doubtful that even the United States will pull a serious increase in spending! And what about the EU, where there are a lot of bankrupt!

      In UWB, the country is not ruled by fools. They never pay and are not going to pay, and this does not make them worse. They will be paid for by others. For this they are so warmly and "loved" all over the world! am
  36. suharev-52
    suharev-52 12 November 2012 23: 12
    +2
    Rasmussen is afraid of being left without work, but he does not know how to do anything else. Sincerely.
  37. toguns
    toguns 13 November 2012 00: 54
    0
    wassat NATO camping trip
    1. vagrant
      vagrant 13 November 2012 08: 04
      0
      Once again bastard from the stupidity of the European Union. Another horror story about Russian. No matter how poor fellows understand that the main instigator will sit behind the oceans and break if something happens to Europe more than once.
  38. 46bob46
    46bob46 13 November 2012 11: 13
    +1
    In the USSR, it was understood that such a country should be able to conduct military operations in 2-3 directions simultaneously. And despite the constant threat from China (Damansky Peninsula), the Union could really together with the Warsaw Pact forces before the first US transports cross Atlantic, bend the old woman Europe together with the Britons to the fullest. 2 World War and the Fuhrer’s blitzkriegs taught a lot of things. I hope our ancestral steering experience has not been lost.