The representative of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine named the likely model of a Western-made fighter that Kyiv can get

The topic of the possible receipt of Western-made fighter jets by the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine captured the minds of representatives of the Zelensky regime, for some reason confident that the next Rammstein would definitely be "aviation"and after it, the planes will begin to arrive in Ukraine.

Everyone, including the Kyiv janitors, has already discussed the topic of deliveries of military aviation, and after the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry Dmitry Kuleba spoke on this issue, the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or rather their representative Yuriy Ignat, also joined the discussion. The Ukrainian military commented on the rumors about the alleged readiness of the West to supply fighters and named a possible aircraft model that could replenish the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

According to Ignat, the topic of supplying aircraft has already been raised more than once, the planes were promised, but subsequently everything died out. Even if a decision is made on the supply of fighters, this will not happen quickly. Firstly, despite repeated statements, none of the NATO countries has begun to train Ukrainian pilots to operate Western aircraft, and secondly, a fighter that will possibly go to Ukraine has not yet been determined. The Air Force puts on the American F-16.

How fast and realistic the transfer of this equipment to Ukraine will be is still unknown, but it will not be fleeting either, because pilot training has not begun. Training will begin when the type of aircraft is determined. Perhaps it will be the F-16 - the main contender for Ukraine and the most common aircraft in the world

- said the representative of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In general, the West is now busy delivering air defense systems to Ukraine, it is not only up to aircraft, but tanks no big deal. If not for Poland, with its ambitions for a leading position in the EU, then the issue of armored vehicles would have hung in the air, to the delight of Germany and Zelensky's grief.

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[Mavrikiy]

The representative of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine named the likely model of a Western-made fighter that Kyiv can get

What's the difference then?

[Shurik70]

Fighter pilot training lasts 1,5-2 years.
For those with experience on other models - a year.
No one will undertake to train Ukrainian pilots for a year, because by the end of their studies, most likely, the war will end.
And NATO pilots go to war - NATO does not fight with anyone if it does not have overwhelming technical superiority. Wrong people, wrong mentality.

[Abbot]

Quote: Shurik70

Fighter pilot training lasts 1,5-2 years.

if

[Machito]

Quote: Shurik70

Fighter pilot training lasts 1,5-2 years.
For those with experience on other models - a year.
No one will undertake to train Ukrainian pilots for a year, because by the end of their studies, most likely, the war will end.
And NATO pilots go to war - NATO does not fight with anyone if it does not have overwhelming technical superiority. Wrong people, wrong mentality.

Why is there little things with this F-16? Better immediately F-35 or F-22 at worst. Still, they are modest: both Yuri and Ignat.

[Nexcom]

Yes, yes, and a little something - they immediately pour the information into the tsipso

[Osipov9391]

They have been prepared for a long time, a year since they started. It just wasn't advertised. There are enough pilots in Ukraine for this.
Or pensioners, mercenaries from Europe will be found with combat experience.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Osipov9391

They have been prepared for a long time, a year since they started ...

Where are the firewood from? They don't confirm it themselves. Retraining is not easy - it is long and expensive.
Although general English is being taught, right now…

[Osipov9391]

There was such information that since March the best Ukrainian pilots have been in the States and are taking a course.

But that is not all. In the US and Europe, there are various PMCs that operate the "Fighting Falcon" and provide services for the training of flight and technical personnel.
There is also work going on.
There will probably be enough for a squadron of Dutch F-16s.

[Johann Klassen]

So, it will be. But how will Ukrainian Jews return their fabulous debts? After all, American and European Jews will return everything to the last cent plus interest.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Osipov9391

There was such information that since March ...

Where are the firewood from? They don't confirm themselves. It is also necessary to master English before toefl70, which is what they are busy with ....
And what are the flying PMCs in Europe?

[Osipov9391]

There are some private firms in Europe and the USA that operate combat aircraft, train people for them, and are engaged in repairs and modernization. They provide such services.
It was this office that carried out the revision of the MiG-29 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for American anti-radar missiles and their use. Happened.

[Roman Efremov]

Pensioners from Europe will fly against our air defense? Doubtful.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Shurik70

No one will undertake to train Ukrainian pilots for a year, since by the end of their studies, most likely, there will be a war ...

Net retraining for the 16th in the states - year, Tucson International for foreigners; although Luke AFB can get lucky. If they start through ALP, it's still a year before retraining, it's like a graduation course. In addition to previous experience, you need a TOEFL70 minimum.
Although of course for "beloved wife" they can also fuss. Moreover, the Poles are quick to teach English to those not participating in the database.

[Ilya-spb]

Let them come.

Who will come to us with the F-16, from the Su - 34 and die!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Who will come to us with the F-16, from the Su - 34 and die!

I still suggest for the 35th or 31st. For the 34th, this is still a side task

[topol717]

Maybe still from the R-37? and it doesn’t matter where it will be launched from the MiG-29, SU-31 or SU-35. it is important that it will reach for 150KM. and she doesn’t care who the eF-16 or eF-22 is there.

[Ingenegr]

Quote from: topol717

MiG-29, SU-31 or SU-35.

Su-31 is a supernova model of a unique fighter?

Quote from: topol717

will get for 150KM. and she doesn’t care who the eF-16 or eF-22 is there.

How high the hat flies! But is it okay that the available overloads of the R-37M at a distance of 150 km are not so high as to reliably reach a target that is actively maneuvering with overloads of 6-8g? Yes, and the 150 km range for a target of the F-22 type implies a detection range of at least 200 km, which is extremely doubtful.
Winners and "destroyers", what have you been doing all of 2022?!

[topol717]

Quote: Shurik70

NATO doesn't go to war with anyone unless it has overwhelming technical superiority

What do you think the United States learned from the Vietnam War? and did the US have an advantage there?

[rocket757]

[quote] [/ quote] if you suffer for a long time ... ask for whatever they give.
It is clear that the Geiro Reich, with the support of the impudent Saxons, again moved east.
It is necessary to beat, without mercy, without regrets ...

[Zhan]

Nothing will help them, in my opinion, that air defense, that aviation. The only way is to equip these units with their own crews with good practice and knowledge.

[Sergey3]

So what? Do imported fighters burn worse or can't they fall?

[Cobra]

This is actually very bad news. The problem here is not in the planes themselves, but in the equipment that can be hung on them and fire at our positions. There will be no air clashes, no dueling planes, there will be countless bombs and missiles in the west that can be launched from outside the war zone.

[Osipov9391]

Quite right! NATO is always mainly air operations. Because the supply of ammunition is huge for them.

JSOW. Many European countries can give. With the engine flies for hundreds of kilometers. It will begin to very quickly take out our positions and rear centers both on the Kherson and on the Donetsk front outside the air defense;

AGM-158. On the photo below. Poles or Finns who have such missiles can give.
Arrival in the center of Moscow during launch over the Kyiv region.
When launched over Kharkov, it flies to Samara.

"Harpoon". Anti-ship missiles are already available. They enter the Crimea in a box from Odessa and attack Black Sea Fleet ships from low altitudes.

[Nexcom]

Pearl Harbor 2 in a modern way???

tttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[Neo-9947]

And what, they immediately put them in their pants when they heard about the limited supply of F-16s, and Leopards with Abrams?
But how are they going to fight with all the billionth NATO? With all their weapons in full force?
No. If the white-gloved police special operation didn’t work, then you need to start fighting for real, and not conduct NVO and offer negotiations every day, as if we need it most of all. It's time to uncover weapons and crap the enemy as it should be in war - decision-making centers, communications, bridges, roads, oil pipelines ...

[topol717]

Quote: Osipov9391

JSOW. Many European countries can give.

Quote: Osipov9391

AGM-158. On the photo below. Poles or Finns who have such missiles can give.
Arrival in the center of Moscow during launch over the Kyiv region.

Quote: Osipov9391

"Harpoon". Anti-ship missiles are already available. They enter the Crimea in a box from Odessa and attack Black Sea Fleet ships from low altitudes.

In response, a slightly different thing, a little heavier and through space, may fly in Kyiv and Lvov, for example, YARS or Topol or SS-20. This will discourage the desire to supply something for a long time. any country with a head on its shoulders, and to whom it does not help, it will be delivered personally (Bashirov and ....).

[Osipov9391]

Are you tired of it or do you really believe in it?
A year is coming soon, and all some cheers, cheers, cheers.
Whoever needs it has long drawn conclusions.

[alexoff]

Well, the difference is that they can be based on a limited number of airfields, and not like Hemars, riding back and forth. But here the question is whether these planes will be circled in red lines, the caliber equally destroys both F16 and corn

[Pankrat25]

You pose the question incorrectly: it sounds where they will be based and how they will be used. If at the airfields of Ukraine, the calibers will fly there immediately, but what if in Poland? If everything is not so simple in Poland: they will limit themselves to using it on the former Ukraine, this is one question, but what if they attack Moscow? Everything here is very ambiguous!

[Osipov9391]

They have been based in Poland for a long time and are serviced there.
Then they fly to highways in Central and Western Ukraine, where they refuel and hang up ammunition. Then they fly to the mission, back in reverse order.
Sometimes they land on airfields, of which there are many.

[Osipov9391]

Aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with minimal losses in 11 months, still waited for Western aircraft. And the most experienced pilots were probably retrained for them long ago.

From what was in service a year ago in terms of the Su-27 and Su-24, the losses are minimal. About half or less in 11 months - about a dozen and two dozen boards, respectively.
Half or even more losses due to stupidity are their own air defense, their own aviation, technical failures and piloting errors.
The losses of the MiG-29 and Su-25 are larger, but a little less than half still remain in service, excluding those that can be removed from storage and restored.

Information on the losses of the Su-27 https://militarizm.su/vojna-na-ukraine/ukrainskie-su-27-v-vojne-s-rossiej.html

Information on the losses of the Su-24 https://militarizm.su/vojna-na-ukraine/poteri-ukrainskih-su-24.html

So the rest will be enough for another year of the war at least. Losses were not replenished - it was simply not necessary. In addition to the Macedonian "Rooks" and ex-Afghan Mi-17s in piece quantities.

The entire BTA survived and is in Europe - it has been carrying military cargo to Rzeszow for a year now.

[alexoff]

Well, apparently the losses became non-minimal, as with tanks.

[Osipov9391]

I won’t say anything about tanks - it’s not my topic. I don't know to be honest and I didn't care.
I have known in detail and for a long time about the tactical aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that was available in Ukraine and which hypothetically could get there.

[Last centurion]

Close the manual. There was nothing left of the under-Ukrainian aviation. Old Soviet junk that has not been updated and that is pulled out of storage tanks from third countries and on which they fly falls from the sky at the first attempt to approach the front line. The vaunted bayraktars no longer fly because it's useless, disposable drones

[Osipov9391]

I am very in the subject and give links to information on the Su-27 and Su-24 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Anyone who is not too lazy can look. More than half of the park is left.
I repeat, NO ONE (!!!!!!!) handed over any Su-27 and Su-24 to Ukraine. Just for one simple reason - they are NOT ANYWHERE in nature, especially in such quantities. Never happened in Europe. If you search all over the world, you won’t find anything either, it was only in Africa in the amount of a dozen or two cars that have long been inanimate.
Or do you believe in fairy tales that someone from Eritrea or Uganda would begin to overtake this equipment to Ukraine?
They cope with what happened, the situation does not require otherwise.

[alexander 66]

Flyers have been learning for a long time, and there is no need to belittle the enemy, cunning and dangerous enemy. Until now, their litaks are flying and turntables are attacking positions. Given NATO intelligence, the stock of missiles that are used before reaching the air defense zone, plus a bunch of equipment that will be delivered much more than officially stated, spring and summer will be very hot. Then you are preparing 1000% crap.

[topol717]

Quote: alexandr 66

Considering NATO intelligence, the stock of missiles that are used before reaching the air defense zone, plus a bunch of equipment that will be delivered much more than officially stated

I don’t know much, but the R-37 sees the target (Su27 and Su25) at a distance of 150 km. What kind of air defense is there ????
Recently they updated the Guinness book, they shot down Ukrovoyaka on SU25 at a distance of 217 km.
Have you seen the width of the neutral zone????? Or is it important for you to write?

[Ulan.1812]

Why so modest? You need to immediately ask for pepelats from the boys.
Although, seriously, they can shit and they don’t give a damn about our concerns and red lines.

[faterdom]

The Air Force puts on the American F-16.

Fu-35 must be taken, it is invisible, whoever flies on it is a ghost!

[Last centurion]

Yes, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are doomed, you are undoubtedly right

[solar]

The Dutch have already stated that they are ready to hand over the F-16, the Americans have confirmed that they do not mind. Ukrainian F-16 pilots have been training in the States since the summer, they wrote that money was allocated specifically for this. Everything goes to the fact that the Ukrainians will have the F-16 in service in a fairly foreseeable time.
I think, not so much as an air defense, but as an attack one - it has a large range of weapons and equipment. Something has accelerated recently - the latest air defense has gone, tanks are about, aircraft too.

[Fizik13]

The representative of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine named the likely model of a Western-made fighter that Kyiv can get

Do they still have kamikaze?

[Hindu]

Quote: Zhan

Nothing will help them, in my opinion, that air defense, that aviation. The only way is to equip these units with their own crews with good practice and knowledge.

Can you explain what "already" means?

[tsvetahaki]

In general, the West is now busy delivering air defense systems to Ukraine, it doesn’t care much about planes and tanks.

It is dangerous in our time to throw hats and boast ...
I'm talking about tanks ... Otherwise, the next day the article has to be corrected so as not to look ridiculous.