Compact Lebedev pistol: Russian copy of the Glock or a full-fledged replacement for the PM

The Lebedev pistol has been developed since 2014. There are already several models in the line, one of which - the compact Lebedev pistol - is considered in his video by the host of the Lazarev Tactical YouTube channel Konstantin Lazarev.

The expert noted that many people compare the PLC with the Austrian Glock, which is not accidental. Indeed, in 2014, a request was received from the Russian security forces to develop a pistol like the Glock.

Meanwhile, according to Lazarev, the similarity of the PLC with the famous Austrian pistol lies only in the form of the shutter and the principle of operation - the striker.

In turn, a serious advantage of the Russian pistol, according to Lazarev, is a soft trigger. In addition, unlike the Glock, the PLC has a very comfortable handle.

Tellingly, the compact Lebedev pistol belongs to sports (in Russia, this category includes all civilian weapon). At the same time, according to Lazarev, he would rather fit the role of a pistol for the military or security officials. For example, instead of the obsolete PM.

Among the advantages of the PLC over the Makarov pistol, the expert singled out the same softness of the trigger, ergonomics, weight and size characteristics and the 9 × 19 mm Parabellum cartridge.

In addition, the PLC provides for a Picatinny rail, which, as the expert noted, is again more typical for military pistols than for civilian ones.

The expert demonstrates all the possibilities of the PLC in his video:

Comments

[fa2998]

The Glock has been on the market for several decades, in service around the world, and we all focus on it. The gun is not bad, it’s just that everything has stopped with us. Now the Glock of the 80s is a model of perfection. Well, anyway.

[KCA]

We focus not technically, but on the class of weapons

[agond]

"a Picatinny rail is provided," that's what the MPu lacked. !!! It will be necessary to take this bar somewhere and screw it in the garden to a shovel handle in order to change choppers for rakes, rakes for pitchforks, pitchforks for shovels.

[Nexcom]

screw the collimator onto the shovel, otherwise you will miss the head of cabbage ...

[Alien From]

And for another 20 years this bar will be centered on the rake. Idiocy.

[Greenell]

The Glock of the 80's is not much different from the Glock of the 20's, this also applies to other modern Browning pistols. Mounts for collimators and underbarrel flashlights / lasers are now the standard.

[KCA]

I didn’t serve myself, but it’s as if a circle of comrades served in the non-departmental / National Guard, for all these fastenings they would hit cuffs, very hard, in the dash a cool weight, but in the city, when you need to either hit the forehead or shoot from 1 -2-3 meters collimator, yes, that's it, when they gave out PP-2000 instead of AKSU, they cried, but what, they gave AKSU in the forehead and in handcuffs, but why this crap?

[Alien From]

Interestingly, PP 2000 was given to whom? They were even able to make a few per country.

[KCA]

In our city, just the entire non-departmental one from AKSU to PP-2000 was re-equipped, which I wrote about

[Hunter 2]

What do you have against the Glock? Yearly car. 19 model - just gorgeous!
The Lebedev pistol is a high-quality weapon, but without a twist. There is GSh 18 - a much better sample.

[Alien From]

Who held a glock in his hand, he will understand. The rest is how to compare a Lada and a Mercedes.

[would]

Alas, the GSh-18, on the contrary, are known for their terrible workmanship.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

Well, even in the 80s, he lost a Beretta competition for the US Army, and about 3 years ago he lost the competition again to the zigzauer ... He is simply widely known to an inexperienced public.

[Victor Shershnev]

And you read my articles about a pistol with radial bolt guides. https://topwar.ru/190569-koncepcija-pistoleta-vzgljad-v-novom-rakurse.html
https://topwar.ru/200955-pistolet-s-radialnymi-napravljajuschimi-russkaja-duga-protiv-stereotipov-innovacii-i-realnost.html
This principle would bring our Russian short barrel

to Absolute World Leaders!!!

But for 7 years I corresponded to all ends - both to arms companies, including KK, and to the Ministry of Industry and Trade, and to Rostec, etc ...
Yes, there is approval from the gunsmiths themselves highest rank, but ...
Around ABSOLUTE DEAD END!!!
Our bureaucracy, and the current System in general, is IMPORETABLE!

And the Russian people, by the way, react to my invention (and to me personally))) negatively - in general, by 70 ... 80%.

Not only do they not like it - they are already angrily indignant with us at the "very smart", which surprised me very much)))

I feel moral support only from a FEW units (!!)
Well, of course - after all, "There are no prophets in their own country" ...

But we are talking about the Honor of our Weapons School ((((

P.S. And as for the Lebedev Pistol - this is only Glock in an ergonomic package with beautiful aesthetics.
A number of important things are not implemented in it at the modern level. There is not even a self-cocking. And a lot more that I have worked on.
To be honest, I have a lot of respect for what I've done!

I wrote to Lebedev by email. mail 4 times. But for him, apparently, it’s not in order to answer people like me ...

[egorMTG]

- I wonder if the soldiers of the line units conducting assault operations in buildings and in the trenches on the front line are allowed to have pistols in case of failure of standard weapons, lack of a cartridge ...? Special Forces and PMCs - do not count!

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

What does allowed mean? Regularly they don’t give privates, but if this is a trophy, who will take it from you on the front end?
Another question is that it’s better to take a few more magazines for the machine gun than to take this pistol ...
Now the soldiers are quite well equipped ... The gun will most likely not pierce the helmet, the armor will not pierce for sure, the machine gun, if it does not pierce the armor, then the burst will knock down and disorient the person for sure, the sight, but in response he will definitely not be able to fire ...
I still understand a pistol to a sniper, or let's say a machine gunner with RMB, yes, because the situations are different, there may not be a change in the time tape ...
Moreover, yes, to the machine gunner, but if I were a sniper, then I would try not to find a gun, but an ax-74u or which of the 100th series ... Yes, this is with a BC kg of 5 weight, but if you are conducting an assault, then it’s definitely useless more than from a pistol ... Yes, and in terms of drg ...
For heavy snipers who work from afar, not from the first line, the gun is justified for them.

[Paul Siebert]

How I like the Lebedev machine!
Compact, grippy, aesthetic!
Shot from this gun in a dash. Just an extension of the hand! And with a very comfortable return.
Not like the Yarygin misunderstanding ...

[Alien From]

I agree! my personal choice for ergonomics in hand:
1. Parabellum
2. Glock 17
3. Beretta 92
He held in his hands more than 25 models.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

And what's ergonomic in the Glock? Well, a tuning car is suitable for it, I understand everything, but in terms of ergonomics, the stock glock will never even come close to a beret or chz75 ... But what can I say, if the palm is not directly huge, then the PM lies better than the glock.

[Victor Shershnev]

Glock by no means not a standard in ergonomics!

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

To be honest, I shot from a bunch of everything, I didn’t shoot from five. But authority figures say it's very comfortable...
What is inconvenient is the glock ... The square frame is just awful ...
As a shooting gallery owner, I understand that the glock has the longest life of all pistols with multiple bursts...
But for myself, even in civilian life, even for military operations, I would never take a Glock if I had a choice.

[fiv]

Without a capacious market for firearms, the development of the gun business is doubtful. I don’t want to bring up the topic of selling firearms, including short-barreled weapons, to citizens again, but Russia is missing some opportunities

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

Why sell civilian short-barreled? Moreover, if you are an athlete, then you can buy a gun, you just won’t keep it at home, but in a sports club ...

[dump22]

many compare the PLC with the Austrian Glock

Or maybe just a "dac-scratch" Glock and that's it?
As part of "compulsory licensing"?
Slightly modified for our technologies and put into production.
Why reinvent the wheel?

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

There’s a barrel technology that’s valuable in the Glock, and without it, scratch-scratches are better than something else, although I don’t see the point in poking something, we have a carload of good pistols ...
Starting from OTs-27, and SR-1, to GSh-18, boa constrictor and plc ... If there is also a sports swift ... If you set the task for factories not to cut the price, but to raise the quality of processing, then you don’t need to “file” them will be, and if you set the task of cutting the tsana, then no matter what the scratch-scratch is, you will still have to "file" it.

[Bolt cutter]

in the PLC, unlike the Glock, there is a very comfortable handle.

At Glock'a it is also very convenient.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

No, it’s a tuning car on a glock, but the stock glock is the most inconvenient of modern ones, and not even modern ones, only tt with an almost straight handle is worse.

[Vladimir_2U]

What is a "striker"? Is it a drummer? Take such iksperds who do not know domestic terms seriously - like fu ...

[aszzz888]

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What is a "striker"? Is it a drummer? Take such iksperds who do not know domestic terms seriously - like fu ...

I absolutely agree with you. They hired someone for voice acting, being too lazy to teach him the most direct movements when handling a short barrel.

[Ingenegr]

Since when Konstantin was transferred to the category of experts, may I ask?

Meanwhile, according to Lazarev, the similarity of the PLC with the famous Austrian pistol lies only in the form of the shutter and the principle of operation - the striker.

No real expert will allow himself to mock the terminology like this: "the principle of work is the striker." This is the jargon of "experts", through the efforts of which terms like "round / square crap" or "light crap / heavy crap" - "lighter / heavy" will soon be almost officially introduced.

[Victor Shershnev]

Friends, the concept of "striker pistol" is already reinforced concrete came into use! ))
And in essence it is correct and justified. Capaciously denotes a subclass.
I can assure you!

[aszzz888]

Pretty strange movements, which are 100% redundant. (in the video). Apparently an expert after sending the cartridge into the chamber, for some reason, it again double-checks the presence of a cartridge in the barrel, slightly opening the receiver cover again. And the cherry on the cake - hits the lid of the receiver in the back of the head. Why is it asked? Or cartridges of the wrong caliber ?, which I immediately brush aside, or just stupid ignorance when handling a short barrel, which is a more acceptable version. And he is still trying to teach someone.

[the same doctor]

on a modern pistol, the front sight and rear sight are superfluous. Enough laser pointer, which turns on when the trigger is not fully pressed. Before that, you can roughly aim at the barrel.
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Whoever patents, throw then how much you don’t feel sorry for the idea.

[Victor Shershnev]

No, sights are still needed.
And the laser can give out the location of the shooter. )))

[Alexfly]

I didn’t shoot from a PLC, I don’t know ... This topic has been procrastinated for decades .. And everything depends, in the end, on the quality of production .. Remember the GSh-18 .... Just like a good gun, but it didn’t go ... How they say Better than Glock -17 can only be Glock-35 ... And that's it ..

[Flurry]

Worst of all, PY went into series. Very uncomfortable, maybe someone has a height of 190+ and palms respectively. it fits nicely in your hand. And sticking a cartridge, distortions, burrs on stores is already a parable. In any scenario, PL or GSh18 is better than PYa.