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Washington Post: Why is Kyiv so persistently asking the allies for the supply of Leopard 2 tanks

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Washington Post: Why is Kyiv so persistently asking the allies for the supply of Leopard 2 tanks

The authors of an article in The Washington Post tried to figure out why Kyiv so insistently does not even ask, but demands from Germany to allow other countries and themselves supply German Tanks Leopard 2. After all, the UK has already promised 14 of its Challenger 2 tanks, French President Emmanuel Macron is ready to send AMX-10 RC light wheeled tanks and even Leclerc main combat vehicles to Ukraine.


But Zelenskiy doesn't even seem as upset by President Biden's refusal to supply Kyiv with American Abrams tanks as by Chancellor Scholz's stubbornness in providing the Leopards. According to the authors of the article, such a desire of Kyiv to get German combat vehicles is fully justified. This is primarily due to the fact that German-made tanks are much easier to maintain than similar vehicles from other Western countries.

The Leopard 2, developed by the West German company Krauss-Maffei Wegmann, was first introduced in 1979 and has since been upgraded several times, gaining a reputation as one of the best main battle tanks in the world.

Even older versions of the tank are equipped with modern optics, including thermal imaging, as well as a laser rangefinder for target tracking. Despite the solid weight of 55 tons (in some modifications more than 66 tons), the Leopard is capable of speeds up to 70 km/h.

The tank is equipped with a diesel engine, which provides an increased range - on the Leopard highway without refueling, it can travel, depending on the model, from 220 to 550 kilometers. The 120-mm gun allows the use of standard NATO ammunition, which will give Ukraine access to a larger pool of suppliers, unlike Soviet tanks, which require 125-mm shells. In addition, separate storage of ammunition avoids destructive explosions during detonation, unlike the Russian T-72, where ammunition is stored under the crew.

Experts estimate that there are more than 2000 Leopard 2 tanks in European armies. It is believed that more than half of them are old variants of the 2A4 and 2A5, including more than 200 of these vehicles are stored in Germany itself. Many of the vehicles already exported from Germany have been sent to European countries or NATO member states such as Canada and Turkey. Other countries that have bought Leopard 2 tanks are Singapore, Chile and Qatar. It is a large number of vehicles in the immediate vicinity of the combat zone that makes German Leopards so attractive for Kyiv to replenish the arsenals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The American M1 Abrams main fighting vehicles are similar in class to the Leopard 2, but outperform German tanks in depleted uranium armor protection. At the same time, the Abrams are heavier than the Leopards (up to 75 tons in the latest modifications) and use jet fuel, which is much more difficult to obtain than diesel. And American equipment is more difficult to maintain, which is what the White House is focusing on, refusing to send tanks to Kyiv.

The German Ministry of Defense has had a list of Leopard tank models that can be delivered to Ukraine since the summer, writes Der Spiegel. According to the list, there are 312 Leopard tanks of 2 different series in the Bundeswehr, of which 99 were sent for maintenance work in May last year, one was decommissioned. Thus, the German armed forces have 212 tanks at their disposal. Journalists report that, according to their information, if Berlin decides to send military vehicles to Kyiv, then we will talk about 19 Leopard 2A5 tanks, which were used only for exercises.
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  1. Woodman
    Woodman 24 January 2023 14: 44
    +8
    This is primarily due to the fact that
    the owner is dumb to supply abrams. Leopards will give hope to sit out overseas by sacrificing Germany if things go far...
    1. Silver99
      Silver99 24 January 2023 14: 56
      +6
      You shouldn't praise them like that. The "leopard" shots have an electric trigger and in the event of a failure of the electronics, the tank loses the ability to shoot. Almost the same goes for the stabilizer and turret rotation - they are also dependent on power supply. Weak side armor, the tower rises above the hull, which makes it easier for the enemy to aim, well, it weighs over 60 tons, not every bridge and off-road can withstand it, repairs about five require qualifications and separate equipment. In comparison with the T-90, the "breakthrough" loses. In general, let's see what kind of animal. In Syria, the Turks lost 14 vehicles from the Kurds armed with conventional RPGs.
      1. Egeny
        Egeny 25 January 2023 08: 39
        +3
        Be that as it may, but Bidon will sign a transfer to the clown today for either a dozen or a couple of abrams for seeding. This stuff in Europe is up to one and a half thousand cars of various modifications (Business FM)
        1. andray
          andray 25 January 2023 09: 33
          -5
          and what will it change, your opinion is old and infantile
          1. Egeny
            Egeny 25 January 2023 12: 09
            +2
            "your opinion is old and infantile" - what about yours?
            Can you explain what is what and why?
      2. Letun
        Letun 25 January 2023 13: 18
        +2
        Quote from Silver99
        You shouldn't praise them like that. The "leopard" shots have an electric trigger and in the event of a failure of the electronics, the tank loses the ability to shoot. Almost the same goes for the stabilizer and turret rotation - they are also dependent on power supply. Weak side armor, the tower rises above the hull, which makes it easier for the enemy to aim, well, it weighs over 60 tons, not every bridge and off-road can withstand it, repairs about five require qualifications and separate equipment. In comparison with the T-90, the "breakthrough" loses. In general, let's see what kind of animal. In Syria, the Turks lost 14 vehicles from the Kurds armed with conventional RPGs.

        Conclusion: the tank is amno, the Germans do not know how to make equipment in general, and even more so military! Vaughn what they thought, they use electricity !!!
    2. Orange Bigg
      Orange Bigg 24 January 2023 15: 01
      -8
      Let Zelensky fight on the T-34. And what a good tank after the T-62 and T-55.


      1. isv000
        isv000 24 January 2023 21: 25
        +1
        Quote from Orange Bigg
        Let Zelensky fight on the T-34. And what a good tank after the T-62 and T-55.

        Giving a pig a Victory tank?! No, let's not dirty history! And Scholz should have hinted that he will behave badly, then the T-80 and others will appear on the pedestals ...
    3. evgen1221
      evgen1221 24 January 2023 15: 15
      +1
      If it goes far, then you will have to sacrifice England, all the EU in bulk, Canada, perhaps a bit of Australia with Zealand, Guam and Hawaii for sure. It turns out a bit too much, but then who amers feeds on?
    4. Maz
      Maz 24 January 2023 21: 02
      0
      Then I decided to say hello to the United States, our Navy .....

      The frigate of the Russian Navy "Admiral Gorshkov" with nuclear warheads on board is seen in the Atlantic Ocean and is moving towards the States
      The Sun also writes that the warship is under close surveillance by NATO naval forces.
      It is reported that the frigate is located approximately 1000-1500 kilometers from the territory of the United States. At the same time, Zircon hypersonic missiles have the same range.

      Our Navy is clearly against leopards and abrams in Ukraine. And puppeteers from the United States are very thickly hinted at this. I think he is accompanied under water by a couple of divisions of SSBNs and Poseidons - let the Washington post check the anti-nuclear bunker.
      From the cart:
      The frigate of the Northern Fleet "Admiral of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" in the version of loading with the "Zirkon" missile system on board has been cruising for several days in the area of ​​Bermuda - a little to the south-west of them.
      It is curious that in the American media and official military sources this moment has not yet been commented on.
      Either they do not attach importance to this fact, or until the command "face" is given.
      1. VSO-396
        VSO-396 25 January 2023 06: 10
        0
        If he were near Bermuda, everyone would have trumpeted, Konashenkov would have been the first!
      2. Letun
        Letun 25 January 2023 23: 43
        +1
        Yeah, the yanexs are a hundred pounds in shock! A whole frigate is sailing towards them, oh, sorry, it’s coming! The Yaneks are not powerful Ukrainians, well, those who were able to sink not some kind of frigate, but a real "aircraft carrier killer" with a symbolic name, but not the Yaneks, will put a frigate in their pants and run a report on dismissal to write in chorus.
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  2. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 24 January 2023 14: 50
    +2
    At one time, our grandfathers burned German tanks and knew their strengths and weaknesses. We are armed with good ATGMs that will deal with these tanks. As a result, the myth of the invincibility of these tanks will be dispelled.
    1. The black
      The black 24 January 2023 14: 55
      +2
      The questions are all in a different plane, how Ukrainian crews will be successfully trained, and how repairs will be carried out in the field. Something tells me that this is the problem. The Germans calculate this. Without proper maintenance and timely repairs, leopards will not serve for a long time. Why do they need image loss? That would have been agreed.
      1. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 24 January 2023 15: 07
        +1
        Not everyone in Germany agrees with the transfer of military aid to Ukraine. The image of the government may also fall significantly, because they do not have the Gestapo now.
        1. The black
          The black 24 January 2023 15: 10
          +5
          Not everyone in Germany agrees with the transfer of military aid to Ukraine
          Yes, they do not care about the opinion of citizens .... and business, as it turned out, too ... remember the situation with gas supplies .... SP ...
      2. VSO-396
        VSO-396 25 January 2023 06: 13
        -1
        Quote: Black
        The questions are all in a different plane, how Ukrainian crews will be successfully trained, and how repairs will be carried out in the field. Something tells me that this is the problem. The Germans calculate this. Without proper maintenance and timely repairs, leopards will not serve for a long time. Why do they need image loss? That would have been agreed.

        You compare BMW and Zhiguli: what needs to be serviced more often? So in Leopard tanks, this is not a T-72.
    2. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 24 January 2023 15: 30
      +3
      For the first time I hear about the myth of "invincibility" of Leopards. There is no ideal weapon
    3. Fluk54
      Fluk54 26 January 2023 08: 50
      0
      It is curious, but if you install a cumulative b / h on the Lancets, will he then be able to reduce the number of these cats? And, in principle, is such a modernization of the Lancets possible in terms of weight and dimensions?
  3. Boycott
    Boycott 24 January 2023 14: 51
    +1
    Hope for another miracle weapon dies last. An old tale, the Tigers and Panthers were also very, very, but they never made it to Moscow. These politicians really do not understand that only a diversified, comprehensively developed army, and not a goner who stole the sword-treasurer, can win? Or are they fooling around?
    1. The black
      The black 24 January 2023 14: 58
      +4
      Tigers with Panthers were also very, very, but they never got to Moscow

      Well, how .... they stand as expats of the armored museum wink
      1. ANB
        ANB 24 January 2023 16: 36
        +3
        . Well, how .... they stand as expats of the armored museum

        Museum in Kubinka 2. This is not Moscow, but the Odintsovo district of the Moscow region. I have a plot 300 meters from the museum.
        So they didn't get to Moscow :)
        1. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 25 January 2023 01: 44
          +1
          I dream of getting there, to the museum. It’s far to fly)), but I’ll get there.
          1. mongolian9999
            mongolian9999 26 January 2023 14: 01
            0
            The main thing is not to hit with a rocket. ))) And it's a pity the museum.
    2. intuzazist
      intuzazist 24 January 2023 15: 22
      -2
      Well, why didn't you get it! Got it! In the museum of weapons of the Second World War in Kubenki are...
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 24 January 2023 14: 52
    -1
    Washington Post: Why is Kyiv so persistently asking the allies for the supply of Leopard 2 tanks
    The tank, anyway, is complex, in operation and in general, but against the background of others, it has advantages, right here and now ... according to the Kukuev bosses.
    Although, some other considerations, explicit / not explicit, can also be.
  5. KCA
    KCA 24 January 2023 14: 56
    +2
    I don’t understand something, GTD-1250 eats kerosene or diesel fuel, but what is jet fuel for abrash?
    1. Former soldier
      Former soldier 24 January 2023 15: 36
      +2
      I don’t understand something, GTD-1250 eats kerosene or diesel fuel, but what is jet fuel for abrash?

      Maybe aviation kerosene. Well, not hydrazine. smile
      1. KCA
        KCA 24 January 2023 16: 07
        +4
        Hydrazine would be a chemical weapon, it also consumes 13 liters of fuel per 1 km, I imagine an attack, and a barrel with 40 tons of hydrazine floats behind the abrasha
        1. isv000
          isv000 24 January 2023 21: 32
          +1
          Quote: KCA
          Hydrazine would be a chemical weapon, it also consumes 13 liters of fuel per 1 km, I imagine an attack, and a barrel with 40 tons of hydrazine floats behind the abrasha

          ... The fuel consumption of Abrams tanks is 7 gallons per mile (16,5 liters per km), including engine idling ...
    2. DominickS
      DominickS 24 January 2023 15: 57
      +2
      Maybe they meant aviation kerosene. Although it mainly runs on DF-2, military-grade diesel fuel.
    3. podval57
      podval57 24 January 2023 19: 51
      +3
      "Eats" Jet-A kerosene, an analogue of our TS-1.
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 24 January 2023 14: 58
    0
    Maybe let the Armed Forces of Ukraine put Lyeps, who were previously targets. Someone on the Internet joked like that.
    1. isv000
      isv000 24 January 2023 21: 34
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Maybe let the Armed Forces of Ukraine put Lyeps, who were previously targets. Someone on the Internet joked like that.

      Crosses will turn them into targets automatically, it will be a matter of honor to burn a panzer with a cross in Ukraine!
  7. Daishi
    Daishi 24 January 2023 15: 06
    +5
    Let's not throw hats
    1. A tank is a tank
    2. One tank can do a lot of trouble if there are no countermeasures
    3. The Americans are doing the right thing, throwing more and more into the furnace
    4. Taking into account our infantile generals, tanks can be delivered to Ukraine in batches, and ours will only hold briefings
    5. it’s not a fact that the tanks will be on the front line, maybe there is a line for pulling Ukraine apart, and they will remain on the other side of the line
  8. RED_ICE
    RED_ICE 24 January 2023 15: 07
    +4
    Twelve countries agree to supply about 100 Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine if Germany, in turn, gives its permission for re-export. This was reported by the ABC TV channel, citing a Ukrainian official.
    According to his sources, 12 countries have given their consent at the Ramstein base. At the same time, only two - Poland and Finland - publicly announced their intention. According to the source, Denmark, Spain and the Netherlands are also among those ready to send tanks to Ukraine.
    A Ukrainian official said that Kyiv badly needed Leopard tanks, as the shells for existing Soviet tanks were already running out, and Ukraine could not produce them.
    On Tuesday, a meeting was held between German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius and NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg. Following the meeting, the German minister said that the decision to transfer the tanks to Ukraine had not yet been made. In turn, Stoltenberg expressed confidence that the West would soon agree on the supply of tanks to Ukraine.
    Meanwhile, Poland has officially sent a request to the German authorities for permission to transfer Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.
    1. sifgame
      sifgame 25 January 2023 12: 03
      +1
      Everything that is written in the press is speculation. Tanks, no matter what, any available quantity, at any time, only two countries are ready to supply - the Tribaltic (everything is clear with these) and the Netherlands, but it’s not clear how Russia offended these, is it really for Arshavin and Hidding in 2008. revenge.
  9. evgen1221
    evgen1221 24 January 2023 15: 11
    +2
    Why, yes, why, they have a cargo cult with magpie disease. They love everything western, shiny, for free, and also because they breathe unevenly to adik, then German tanks. Wangyu that they will immediately start renaming them into tigers with panthers.))) But the Western people will never understand the mysterious soul of an ordinary crest.
  10. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 24 January 2023 15: 22
    0
    The author incorrectly answers the question of the title of his own article.
    Correct answer: So the Poles ordered!

    And why and why is a topic for a separate article!
  11. Evgeny
    Evgeny 24 January 2023 15: 24
    +4
    It's probably easy to write that leopards are old shit and we have birds and so on.
    This will not make it any easier for the mobilized Russian Federation in the trenches, now they use tanks like artillery, they almost drive up at point-blank range and shoot the area with infantry fortified.
    1. Edik
      Edik 24 January 2023 15: 46
      +1
      Quote from Evgeny
      now tanks are used as artillery, they almost drive up point-blank and fortify the area with infantry they shoot.

      We don't need to
      almost point blank
      tell! When a tank drives up almost point-blank and it’s not in the city with the support of the infantry, then this almost already scrap metal.
      1. Zug
        Zug 25 January 2023 07: 52
        0
        Only the video was watching our tank drove into the forest and almost point-blank hollowed out the trenches of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. From 200 meters, probably in a stingy manner with an infantry fighting vehicle. And the forest around. An extremely dangerous occupation.
    2. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 25 January 2023 01: 49
      +2
      I’ll tell you a secret, on the front end, and indeed in war, on the drum, there will be a T-55, T-62, Leo or something else. In the army of any country, everything is aimed at one thing - to kill. Let's say our tanker in Afghanistan called the T-62M the most humane weapon. People are running 6-7, 800 meters, I slapped the OFS on them, they didn’t even hear a shot. They just run and don't exist. Therefore, it will not be easier, it will not be harder, it will always be difficult.
  12. Mishka78
    Mishka78 24 January 2023 15: 30
    0
    The best tanks are Russian and German. Ukrainians no longer have access to Russians, respectively, the Germans ask.
    Continental powers are always famous for their ground forces and developments for them. Marine, such as Britain and America - ships.
    The other day there was a video of how abrams stormed a small snow hill. I couldn't.
    Yes, and since childhood I remember Alekseev's book "Stories about the Russian feat", where there was a sketch of how Russian soldiers shod Churchill.
    1. Normann
      Normann 24 January 2023 16: 05
      -2
      And the USSR and the Russian Federation are not a maritime power? In my opinion, we are famous for air defense and missile defense.
    2. Zug
      Zug 25 January 2023 07: 54
      +1
      Our "wafers" on the T-34 were also shod and the bolts were screwed on the tracks. There was no patency
  13. Fitter65
    Fitter65 24 January 2023 15: 31
    +2
    use jet fuel, which is much more difficult to obtain than diesel.
    Jet fuel! Jet fuel! Kerosene ordinary.
  14. Uprun
    Uprun 24 January 2023 15: 53
    +2
    If 19 training machines that were used in the exercises are shaken off, then this is still that present. Motor resource of the engine, barrel resource, transmission and running gear wear. Commanders-textbooks will not let you lie. And if you capitalize all this, a year will go away .... and a lot of dough.
    1. isv000
      isv000 24 January 2023 21: 42
      -1
      Quote from uprun
      If 19 training machines that were used in the exercises are shaken off, then this is still that present. Motor resource of the engine, barrel resource, transmission and running gear wear. Commanders-textbooks will not let you lie. And if you capitalize all this, a year will go away .... and a lot of dough.

      Everyone is well aware that the Ukrainians will kill them quickly, break them or we will burn them, so for a start they will throw off all the crap from the balance. It seems that the hegemon was not disobeyed and the rubbish was shoved ...
  15. Normann
    Normann 24 January 2023 16: 02
    -1
    And do not forget about the Negro, or the Arab, who works as an automatic loader (
  16. veteran tanker
    veteran tanker 24 January 2023 16: 37
    +4
    According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), Poland had 2021 Leopard 247 tanks in 2, of which:
    97 "Leopard 2A4";
    105 "Leopard 2A5";
    45 "Leopard 2PL" - Polish version of the modernization of the Leopard 2A4 tanks.
    These modifications on the internal structure are slightly different from each other. For example, on the Leopard 2A5, protection and SLA have been significantly improved.
    These tanks were produced in the 80-90s, i.e. obviously outdated for a NATO country like Poland.
    To update this tank fleet in July 2022, Poland and the United States agreed to supply 250 Abrams M1A2 SEP v3 tanks, produced since 2017. This tank has radically improved combat capabilities through the use of an upgraded fire control system, improved electronics and a higher level of protection, including the Israeli-made Trophy active defense system.
    At present, Poland has already received a training and material base for the training of Polish tankers and a number of Abrams M1A2 tanks for use as training ones.
    Poland has everything to train Ukrainian tankers for the Leopard 2 A4 and to service these tanks: training and material base, repair base and trained specialists. Spare parts and other property is also available. Those. Poland will take over technical support issues.
    So, Germany does not need to strain on the supply of Leopards to Ukraine. All statements that Germany will not supply tanks to Ukraine are most likely diplomatic ploys.
  17. alexander 66
    alexander 66 24 January 2023 20: 56
    +4
    Already decided lepa will be a6. This is very bad, 72 mu will be uncomfortable. And there will be more of them than announced.
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 25 January 2023 01: 51
      +3
      The main enemy of any tank is anti-tank guns. And the calculation of anti-tank weapons is not comfortable even in front of the T-34
  18. Jin
    Jin 24 January 2023 21: 28
    +3
    Abrams is good for PR, like the M4, like the F-35, like the Patriot.
    For a large-scale war, in a territory with a climate and terrain, as in b. The Ukrainian SSR is of little use: whimsical to the quality of fuels and lubricants, gluttonous in terms of fuel consumption, expensive in production and maintenance, capricious for long-term operation in the "field" and maintainability, heavy ... Does not fit (overall), in the width of "ZhD standards", to the load on the bridges of the theater territory where it is planned to be used. Difficulty with forcing water barriers as well.
    Pros? Here, deservedly so:
    Resistant to penetration in the frontal projection (no experience of collision with the T-90M "Breakthrough", with its new BOPS), excellent optics and electronics, control systems, communications, BC, crew comfort.
    The tank will fight of course. The question is how much and how?
  19. ratcatcher
    ratcatcher 25 January 2023 04: 04
    +3
    "separate storage of ammunition avoids destructive explosions during detonation, unlike the Russian T-72, where ammunition is stored under the crew." in the Leopard, ammunition is stored in a turret on the left rear and in a hull on the left slightly in front. Therefore, successful hits sometimes led to severe defeats. In Syria, when an ATGM hit the left side of a Leopard tank, the tank was torn to pieces. Literally.
  20. shinobi
    shinobi 25 January 2023 05: 35
    0
    As planned by the Yankees, Europe and European resources should fight in / on the 404th. 1000 cats, this is certainly a lot, but no one will drive them to one place at once. This is even purely technically impossible. it’s nothing. And the fact that they will be carefully and purposefully knocked out is clear (and declared) already now. In short, the weather won’t do it. and frontal attacks they have nothing to catch, cardboard and make their way from heavy machine guns.
  21. Etoya
    Etoya 25 January 2023 05: 43
    +2
    Most likely the Poles will rule
  22. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 January 2023 08: 54
    -1
    Western tanks were not so often hit with modern and powerful ATGMs .... and they, initially, did not have HE shells. OFs began to appear in the 80s more or less systematically. After Iraq and other colonial wars. So how they explode and burn, we'll see.
    1. nedgen
      nedgen 26 January 2023 02: 05
      -1
      All in principle, tanks can burn and explode. Moreover, a NATO shot for a 120mm gun, although unitary, is also in a burning cartridge case with a non-burning pallet.
  23. Armen Sologyan
    Armen Sologyan 25 January 2023 09: 28
    0
    Russia is conducting the NMD as the demilitarization of Ukraine and not only Ukraine, but also the demilitarization of the NATO countries. How much Western high-tech junk has already been scrapped in the steppes of Ukraine. If only the greatest coronavirus Pentagon would supply submarines for the steppes of Ukraine, just for the steppes of Ukraine.
  24. GAndr
    GAndr 25 January 2023 12: 53
    +1
    The Nazi former Ukraine has a cargo cult for everything German, especially for tanks, which remind them of the "Tigers" of Nazi Germany. Draw crosses and one to one, and you don’t even have to draw, they are already there ... Yeah. German tanks survived again, they will trample the Russian countryman with caterpillars :(
  25. dfk-80
    dfk-80 26 January 2023 08: 16
    0
    As I understand it, the deliveries of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were planned in May 2022, sending a hundred tanks for maintenance?
    Tales about the supply of individual companies - this is either for training that they are vryatli, or for trolling our experts and Konashenkov - they will burn our hundred leopards out of the allegedly delivered 14, so the trolls will have expanse.
    Although newspapers are of course the most reliable source of information!