Who will shoot Russian weapons in Central Asia?

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Who will shoot Russian weapons in Central Asia?

Against the background of their own scandals in the military department, Russia will undertake the rearmament of two foreign armies at once. This one alone news, voiced by the newspaper Kommersant, could well have caused a stir - not only in the press, but also in expert circles, among people who are attentive to the use of Russian weapons outside the Russian Federation. Indeed, it does matter, who exactly will these machine guns shoot at? It’s important, after all, whose war will they support? This context, which is already piquant, is amplified many times over when the names of the countries to which this Russian weapon goes will sound.

Weapons per billion - will receive the Kyrgyz army. And another two hundred million - Tajik.

Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Everything. Knowledgeable people can say nothing more.

Or is it necessary to remind?

For example, Osh-2010. Did hunting rifles shoot at Uzbek, as they say now, irredente? Was the kitchen knives threatened during the inter-ethnic clashes in the flaming mahallas? We dare to remind, the weapon was quite combat then. As they say, they did not let the oil dry. But this is the tradition: in today's Kyrgyzstan, they are arming themselves with just that - brand new, barely from weapons depots. Do not believe it? All the same 2010 year - but only the northern capital of Kyrgyzstan. Any "picture" of that time indicates the homeland of the conflict. This is not Africa. Not the Middle East. And not even Southeast Asia. Not at all. There can not be such brand new "trunks" of the Somali pirates. This democratic forces in Kyrgyzstan once again disarmed the military minions of the next inhuman regime. About Tajikistan in this context - and there is nothing to say. Anyone who went further than Dushanbe perfectly understands the immutable law of the mountains - a good word and a gun are always better than just a good word. And those who are still friends with memory still have the hum of a measured, many-day "conversation" of government troops with the Tajik opposition in Khorog. How long has it been?

Summer 2012 of the year.

And after all, everyone understands this. Saw, say, hear.

And for this reason, the nightmarish context of the Central Asian war sounds quite in tune with the sound arguments of experts. And after all the goals are pursued solely good, that is the insult.

Can a normal person argue about threats emanating from the phrase “withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan in the 2014 year”? Even the most measured, the Taliban immediately begin to see themselves with the Islamists in the center of Astana. It doesn’t matter that Central Asia is the first, but the second is not up to it.

Risks here really do not count.

Yes, and other arguments, however, no worse.

Here is a snapshot: America would like to leave its equipment from Afghanistan for safekeeping. In the same Kyrgyzstan. But can Russia allow this to happen? Again, no. In the context of the trade war for the arms market - leave the fraternal republics to be devoured by the hydra of American imperialism? Death is like. Especially in the conditions of the Kyrgyz army: according to the recent sincere recognition of Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev, only the 25 Brigade of the Scorpion Special Forces meets the republic’s current requirements, because NATO instructors participated in its preparation. The rest of the weapons - left from Soviet times. Vaughn, M-30 and D-1 howitzers — still hit by the fascists — were produced in 1938 and 1943, respectively.

Kyrgyz political scientists echo the country's president: Toktogul Kakchekeev believes that Russia is establishing military influence in Central Asia, which will protect the region from risks. Russia's aspiration to create a logistics center in Kyrgyzstan, about which Kakchekeyev speaks, will block the dominant role of Uzbekistan in Central Asia. Another political analyst, Marat Kazakbayev, believes that there are indeed threats from Afghanistan after the withdrawal of the coalition forces from there. In his opinion, such military-technical assistance is simply necessary for the republic. However, he also emphasizes that it should not be finances, but exclusively military uniforms and equipment, since the corruption schemes in Kyrgyzstan are still relevant and strong in the power of Kyrgyzstan.

In this place - I would like more detail.

Strong is not the word. They are unbridled and unshakable.

More recently, it seems that the former Minister of Defense of Kyrgyzstan, Ismail Isakov, was detained for negligence on 8 years in places not so distant. And already the democratic wave of 7 on April 2010 of the year returned Isakov to the ministerial, and then to the deputy chair. The scandal surrounding the sale of MI-24 helicopters and armored personnel carriers to African countries at the beginning of the 90s of the last century is also known. Perhaps, for this reason, many experts predict that a significant portion of weapons, primarily small arms, may quickly end up on the black market, which is already exorbitantly large? After the April and June 2010 events in Kyrgyzstan, more than one thousand guns walk around the republic. And through corruption schemes, Russian weapons may be in the hands of not only criminals, but also those terrorist groups, which are intended to repel the threat a priori.

But the decision seems to have already been made.

Therefore, now the problem of the low legal capacity of the power structures of the Kyrgyz Republic and the Republic of Tajikistan is shifted onto Russia’s shoulders. And the task of Moscow is to raise the effectiveness of the power structures of the allies, and not engage in repelling emerging threats only on their own. The solution of the problem could be the creation, for example, in the framework of the CSTO, of mechanisms for controlling the use of military technical assistance of Russia to the republics of Central Asia. At the same time it would be possible to solve in the same format the CSTO and one more of the problems that arise. According to Toktogul Kakchekeev, it would be nice to create special interstate military logistics centers and training centers for Kyrgyz military personnel on the territory of Kyrgyzstan itself by Russian instructors. A similar scheme is quite applicable for Tajikistan, where the Russian 201-I military base can become the base for training Tajik soldiers.
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  1. mar.tira
    +1
    November 13, 2012
    I hope that it’s not in us! And we need to curb the presumptuous former brothers from the Asian republics a little, so that they don’t look into the mouths of their American “friends” and not sell too zealously!
    1. traveler
      +7
      November 13, 2012
      Unpredictable beys with an obvious change of beys and their unobvious policy, which means that today's "bought" ally may turn out to be the worst enemy tomorrow. But if we do not take the weapon elsewhere ... You cannot turn your back on them, but everyone understands this perfectly well without me.
      Russia needs to conduct a policy in this region together with Kazakhstan and sooner or later (we would like faster) we will come to the need to establish a visa regime and establish a strong border. Drug trafficking must be interrupted, an undeclared drug trafficker with huge casualties.
      1. Brother Sarych
        -2
        November 13, 2012
        Now, of course, the Kazakhs will attack - who said that the regime in Kazakhstan is reliable? Remember how old the leader is, even now he cannot hold on to many phenomena, and what will happen in a few years ...
        Elderly leaders in Central Asia are a big problem ...
      2. +2
        November 13, 2012
        Quote: traveler
        Drug trafficking must be interrupted, an undeclared drug trafficker with huge casualties.
        . +++++ Over the past 10-12 years, the production of Afghan heroin has grown 40 times. Of my acquaintances, many strong and competent people left because of this abomination in 90-00gg. And not from weakness, but from despair. It is necessary to equip neighbors with high quality and modernity so that they have something to crush this abomination. IMHO.
        1. 0
          November 13, 2012
          the article is complete nonsense, with a hangover in the kitchen under a pickle with beer, I thought up-dashed, along the way I read publications from the resource with comments and suffered a darling,
          CENTRAL ASIA IN THE BORDERS OF THE USSR-RUSSIA, and the restoration of all these suburbs should be part of the rearmament program of the Russian Federation,
          and we will "store" the US WTS in Ulyanovsk, don't give a damn about it there, we will be more reliable)))
          remember the "blue mottos" throughout the Russian Federation, even if now they are mobilizing sa, against the background of the withdrawal of NATO, the very thing, and we and the outskirts of the empire do not need more buzz
  2. +1
    November 13, 2012
    All this, of course, is very interesting, but as history in Central Asia shows, it is necessary first of all to create normal military bases with normal infrastructure. And the contingent of contract soldiers, the basis of which will be military personnel sent from Russia with an admixture of rank-and-file from Aborigines, well, the aboriginal service personnel. And it’s not quite smart to arm the local armies with the latest technology, in the first place it’s just draining money to nowhere and in the second there’s a great chance that this weapon will turn against us in the end.
    1. +10
      November 13, 2012
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      And it’s not quite smart to arm the local armies with the latest technology, in the first place it’s just draining money to nowhere and in the second there’s a great chance that this weapon will turn against us in the end.
      - will not arm Russia - will arm Amer. How will you stop the desire of those regimes to arm your army? Sakhalin, do you support the idea that the Russian army would be re-equipped as soon as possible, for Russia, for example, its army and navy are two best friends, why do you refuse this right to Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan?
      What makes you think that they are sleeping and see how to get weapons and immediately send them against Russia? We would like - would have done so long ago, there are plenty of people who want to take them under such a wing, starting from the USA and ending with China. Georgia is not an example to you? So she wanted so, could Russia interfere?
      Stupidity, in short. Russia should arm, while maximally contributing to the institutional development of those states, so that these regimes are stronger and do not fall on small occasions, and a tight economic connection would help these regimes not even need to look over the ocean - why, when and so good? Economic growth is as much as percent, unemployment decreases, etc.

      Quote: Sakhalininets
      And it’s not quite smart to arm the local armies with the latest technology, in the first place it’s just draining money to nowhere and in the second there’s a great chance that this weapon will turn against us in the end.
      - will not arm Russia - will arm Amer. How will you stop the desire of those regimes to arm your army? Sakhalin, do you support the idea that the Russian army would be re-equipped as soon as possible, for Russia, for example, its army and navy are two best friends, why do you refuse this right to Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan?
      What makes you think that they are sleeping and see how to get weapons and immediately send them against Russia? We would like - would have done so long ago, there are plenty of people who want to take them under such a wing, starting from the USA and ending with China. Georgia is not an example to you? So she wanted so, could Russia interfere?
      Stupidity, in short. Russia should arm, while maximally contributing to the institutional development of those states, so that these regimes are stronger and do not fall on small occasions, and a tight economic connection would help these regimes not even need to look over the ocean - why, when and so good? Economic growth is as much as percent, unemployment decreases, etc.
      1. -1
        November 13, 2012
        I don’t understand what weapons they will rearm — new from factories or from storage. If the first option, then this is stupidity, your army is not rearmament, if the second, then it is quite logical.
        1. mar.tira
          0
          November 13, 2012
          Quote: sergey32
          I don’t understand what weapons they will rearm

          It is advisable to write-off, which goes for disposal. You look, we will have less emergency, at the landfills!
    2. Brother Sarych
      -2
      November 13, 2012
      What are military bases? And who will serve them, if the shortage of parts in Russia itself? Who should cover such vast territories if it’s not properly covered?
      New technology in the Russian army with a gulkin nose, and the prospects for rearmament are still vague - when everything works with a defense order, and does it work?
      1. enkor
        -1
        November 13, 2012
        Ysho adin aplachonnay x pert.
        1. Brother Sarych
          +1
          November 13, 2012
          Where can I finally get my fee, bl ..? It’s not the first time that they have been accused of being paid for, but I don’t break off any damn thing from now on ...
          1. +3
            November 13, 2012
            Quote: Brother Sarich
            Where can I finally get my fee, bl ..? It’s not the first time that they have been accused of being paid for, but I don’t break off any damn thing from now on ...


      2. 0
        November 13, 2012
        If Russia wants to leave and increase its influence in Central Asia, then it will have to create military bases there and, preferably, as soon as possible - and it is not very important for the first time that there is the latest weapons - it is important that the place is occupied ... this region is more than enough "soft breeder of Russia" ... But as they say, a holy place is never empty ...
        The East is a delicate matter, and geopolitics there should also be conducted wisely with great prospects and not with momentary benefits ...
      3. 0
        November 13, 2012
        Release Kvachkov, appoint the head of the base or, at least, responsible for the selection of personnel for contract servicemen. And ... so many problems would be solved ...
  3. +1
    November 13, 2012
    We have no options today, unfortunately ...
  4. Roman A
    +1
    November 13, 2012
    Logistic centers can be deployed on the basis of arms supplies, thereby providing intelligence and border control with China Pakistan Afghanistan
  5. +1
    November 13, 2012
    They will send stale weapons from warehouses in Russia and be healthy. No one new (especially the newest) will give there.
    1. 0
      November 13, 2012
      Well, if that happens.
  6. 0
    November 13, 2012
    The question is certainly not straightforward. Here the next question is natural, what then is RosOboronExport? After all, he sells "Makarovs" with "injuries", he sells serious things, here are planes, MLRS, tanks, air defense systems and so on. Then the question is logical, and this weapon will shoot at whom?
  7. aleksey
    +1
    November 13, 2012
    There is no other way but to expand the Customs Union, create economic relations, create infrastructure, bases in key points on the territory, otherwise there are many who really want to ..
    such a policy solves the problem in a comprehensive way - it develops markets, creates jobs, attracts investments, and minimizes the threat of extremism, and stops bickering with each other, it is unlikely to settle down there, at least in the near future
  8. 0
    November 13, 2012
    Why were they given independence ???? The government of the same Kyrgyzstan, for example, is not on its own! How not to "warm up" in the end they will still go over to those who offer more! One hemorrhoid: drug trafficking, the likely location of bases of a potential enemy, illegal immigrants, etc. I see the solution to the problem in a "fantastic measure" - joining Russia!
    1. Brother Sarych
      -1
      November 13, 2012
      Maybe also include Somalia? And what? And the end to piracy, and in Africa we will gain a foothold, in the most key place ...
      1. 0
        November 13, 2012
        I’m only FOR, better more territories than fewer
  9. Brother Sarych
    -3
    November 13, 2012
    I remember well how, during one of the "revolutions" in Kyrgyzstan, the newest assault rifle with a body kit flashed on the screen - and where did it come from?
    If there was a task to put and hold in power a purely puppet government, it would be clear that, how and why, and so some sort of regular black hole for disbursing funds ...
    1. Volkhov
      +1
      November 13, 2012
      Such machine guns flickered in Syria - they give their instructors, Caucasians love show-offs.
      Now they are trying to start a world war and each side collects its own national teams.
    2. enkor
      +1
      November 13, 2012
      Yes, ear. Where did tama uzi payaylashi come from?
  10. +4
    November 13, 2012
    I started reading and left in the middle ... I already got this pseudo-humanistic whining. Let their IMI or H&K arm? I will tell you a secret: It’s not a weapon that shoots, but a man. I myself am from the Osh region and I remember very well the 80s and early 90s and the stronger and more stable the government there is, the more people love Russians. Well, what can you do, Asian culture does not gravitate towards democracy and liberalism, which have greatly undermined confidence in the post-Soviet space.
  11. 0
    November 13, 2012
    Zadalbal all free then .... I don’t want to pay taxes anymore .... To be plundered or forgiven for free.
    1. Islam
      0
      November 23, 2012
      Quote: rennim

      Zadalbal all free then .... I don’t want to pay taxes anymore .... To be plundered or forgiven for free.
      It’s calm. It’s not free then that Russia bought Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan (the United States does this to everyone, but Russia is impossible with two countries?!?)
  12. zavesa01
    0
    November 13, 2012
    Quote: rennim
    Let their IMI or H&K arm? I will tell you a secret: It’s not a weapon that shoots, but a man.

    Totally agree with you . As the saying goes: "A holy place is never empty." There is demand, there is supply. A bit of ideology and weapons are turned in the right direction.
    1. 0
      November 13, 2012
      More than half of the world is at war with the AK-47, and thank God that made us worse than that ...

      And what difference does it make for soldiers, what weapons do modern Russian or modern American shoot at them? In my opinion, the main question is to make rational use of the means and benefits received from the sale (supply), and this is already the task of politicians !!!
  13. Islam
    +2
    November 14, 2012
    It’s strange that only Russia helps, Kazakhstan too should obliged to be interested in stability on the southern borders, and Russia seems to worry more about Kyrgyzstan than we do, although Kazakhstan is economically stable, the army is also not shy. So I think Kazakhstan should help

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