No longer the territory of someone else's war, but a garbage dump

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No longer the territory of someone else's war, but a garbage dump

Rammstein. The name of this German military airbase is still well known today. Who has not written and talked about the results of the eighth meeting of representatives of Western countries on the issue of increasing military assistance to Ukraine. The issue is really serious and cannot be ignored.

However, looking through the materials following the meeting, reading the analytics from various experts, you come to the conclusion that in most cases the focus is only on the military component of the meeting, on the results, or rather, on the adopted assistance package. Although already at the beginning of the materials, many analysts talk about the main thing. About the supply of heavy tanks APU.



Honestly, I was sure that the Germans would not give permission to supply their tanks to Kyiv. And the point here is not at all the unwillingness of Berlin to intensify the escalation of the conflict. The point is the image losses of Germany in the event of the start of such deliveries.

The Germans understand as well as the Americans that their "Leopards" will burn perfectly on the territory of Ukraine. Simply because the Russians have already prepared for such a "surprise". How they prepared for the supply of other military equipment, which was discussed in Ramstein.

I have already written about the scheme that the United States uses. At the beginning of the delivery, and then talk about them. On January 23, according to some reports, trains with American infantry fighting vehicles were already seen in Holland. So, it is quite possible that tomorrow they can be seen already in Poland. As you understand, this is not a BMP teleportation, but a long-conceived and ongoing operation.

Business, nothing personal


What happened on the sidelines of the meeting in Ramstein? Why, despite the colossal pressure, did the German chancellor at first not give in to pressure and not give permission for supplies? Why can't the US mongrels - the same Poles and other American friends - just send the Germans somewhere and give the Leopards to the Ukrainian Armed Forces?

The answer to the second question is simple. It's not hard to convey. And Germany can't do anything about it. German tanks will not go to Warsaw. But a tank is a machine! And quite complicated, requiring not only refueling, but also repair. And this is where the danger lies.

The Germans will not service tanks illegally supplied to Ukraine. Consequently, in just a matter of days, formidable machines will turn into a pile of scrap metal. Some will be burned, some will be broken by great ukry, some will simply stand up without consumables.

By the way, exactly the same argument is used by the Americans to explain their refusal to supply Abrams.

But the first question is much more interesting.

I do not envy the German Chancellor today. Agree, when they try to break you up, it’s not pleasant enough. And Olaf Scholz is in just such a position today. On the one hand, it is pulled by the Americans and their friends, and on the other hand, by their own business and German politicians.

Let me remind you of a couple of stories that happened quite recently, in our memory.

Remember history with Turkish drones in Nagorno-Karabakh? What happened to the company that made them? How did a new god called “Bayraktar” appear in Ukraine? And what happened then, when these UAVs began to fall en masse, also remember.

Then a new god appeared. Also remember his name - "Javelin"! His fate is also known. This god lasted even less drones. Today in Ukraine there are many small gods: from "three sevens" to "Haymars". But there is no big, “great” deity. That which would become a symbol of dill victory.

Heavy tanks, according to the plan of the Pentagon and Kyiv, should become just such a deity. Today, the German Leopards are a symbol of NATO's power in Europe. The real competitor of the symbol of American power is the Abrams. This is where that notorious dog is buried.

And how does this most notorious god appear? How did the gods of World War II appear? The appearance of such weapons has always been facilitated by military victories. In the same way that defeats sent even beautiful specimens into oblivion. Such is the logic of war. No matter how much we talk about the shortcomings of the PCA, this is the most massive machine of war.

American businessmen are well aware that in order to maintain the image of the Abrams as the best tank of our time, serious victories are needed. After several military campaigns, where these tanks did not prove to be great, quite a lot of almost concluded deals fell through. And this is many billions of dollars.

The other day I saw a video on YouTube about how the Abrams is trying to climb an icy hillock. Nothing, in general, new. A heavy tank on tracks that are ridiculous for our conditions. As old as the world since the Second World War. But look today the same YouTube. This roller is wiped wherever possible. Such a video makes those customers think for whom snow is quite normal conditions in winter. Business does not want anyone to know more about the embarrassment of their products than they themselves tell.

And, unlike politicians, businessmen are realists. They understand that it is not necessary to expect serious victories from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This means that any weapons that will be provided to Kyiv will receive a lot of negative feedback. From here, precisely from the conclusions of businessmen, the nomenclature of future deliveries to Ukraine follows. The same ancient, long-decommissioned rubbish in their own armies. Or something that simply has nowhere to go, but it's too early to write off.

Support to suffer longer


It is interesting to analyze those deliveries that were announced in Ramstein, but in fact are already being carried out by the West. The first (and I am convinced quite often that the first is the best) thought is that this is a way to support the dying for at least some more time. It cannot be cured, but it is still possible not to let it die in peace. Let him suffer even more for the amusement of others. Something from the arsenal of medieval executioners with their quartering, rack or stake.

Yes, military assistance, on the one hand, for a fairly serious amount. The United States alone will supply $2,5 billion worth of military goods. But, on the other hand, in the situation in which the Armed Forces of Ukraine are today, these weapons are ineffective. No matter how good the M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles are, but this is just an infantry fighting vehicle. Yes, and the number - 59 pieces, will not seriously change the situation.

Just like everything else. British tanks? Other weapons? Don't you think that this is a mockery of the Ukrainians. In the quantities in which they will be delivered to Ukraine, this is not even funny. NATO tactics include the use of RTGs as a combat unit. A company supported by a tank or tanks. 12 company tactical groups?

A lot of people today are talking about longer-range missiles and glide bombs that can be used to strike deep into our defenses. Indeed, knowing the skillfulness of the Ukrainians and about a lot of “modernizations” of various weapons, a hybrid of the “Haymars” and such a bomb is quite possible.

In total, such a hybrid can indeed fly about 160 km. But our air defense has already learned how to hit the missiles of the American complex. A hybrid will fly even worse.

The result?

And as a result, firstly, the secrecy of the launcher is lost. For minutes, but lost. The risk of losing this installation increases.

Secondly, most of the missiles will be shot down on the accelerating trajectory. And this hybrid needs to fly to a height of up to 20 km ...

Well, the response from the Russian army without fail. This factor must also be taken into account.

As a result, Rammstein showed that the West no longer believes in the victory of Ukraine. What was decided to be delivered is rather a sop to strengthen the morale of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. These deliveries will tickle our nerves, but in general they will play the role of an additional "bait" of targets for the Russian army.

The meat grinder will work in the same mode as today. But Zelensky and his team need only this to preserve their own power and even life. The idea of ​​a fix about the depletion of Russia, popular uprisings and the further disintegration of our state in the practical implementation of Kyiv. And the same idea is deeply rooted in the heads of ordinary Ukrainians.

Take over Europe completely


To whom is war, and to whom ... How often do you have to remember this saying. It sounds especially vile given the deaths that war brings. But you can't throw words out of a song. This is not a play on words, but the reality of modern wars in general. Under whatever slogans wars start, in the end it all ends with someone getting rich and someone going bankrupt.

I touched above on the moment of discrediting German weapons in Ukraine. But there is also a continuation of this particular business theme. Little is said about this, but remember what, for example, the Poles demand for their deliveries of Leopards? They give the Leopards, but in return they should receive the Abrams!

This is not a whim of the Poles, not their desire to get something better than they have today. The superiority of the Abrams over the Leopard is rather doubtful. Spending billions on the purchase of "Americans", armed with "Germans", is stupid. And serving the "Germans" is much more convenient.

It's no secret that the Polish government goes out of its way to please the Americans in order to occupy Germany's niche in the European political arena. Poland's decision to change Leopards to Abrams is a US decision. This is what Washington needs, not Warsaw.

It is not for nothing that the President of France and the Chancellor of Germany periodically “buck up” at various summits of Western politicians. They are well aware that after the collapse of the economies of European countries, an attempt will follow to deprive Europe of at least some military resistance.

And the military machine of Europe today is largely based not on American weapons, but on French and German ones. The Americans tried to introduce their production in some European countries, but the situation did not change much from this.

Yes, European analogues of American weapons appeared, but the rearmament desired by the Americans did not happen. Today in Ukraine we see quite a lot of such analogues. They are used in Europe, but only by a few countries. It does not cause serious dependence on the USA.

German tanks, French planes and missiles, Italian armored vehicles, Swedish grenade launchers and several other types of weapons are the goal of the United States. By replacing European-made weapons with American ones, Washington is practically killing the EU military industry and depriving Europe of at least some possibility of resistance. Any European army armed by the Americans will simply not be able to use their weapons against the United States.

We talked and wrote for a long time about the fact that Ukraine is just a territory for a NATO-Russia war, the USA-Russia. Today it is no longer even a territory of war. This is a garbage dump, where everything that was stored in European and American closets and on balconies is thrown out, in case - "what if it comes in handy." Something that is no longer needed, but simply throwing away the hand does not rise.

The sad fate of the once promising, but sold for a penny country ...
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  1. +2
    26 January 2023 06: 02
    Exactly. Therefore, deliveries from the Germans are amazing. It’s still clear with the Britons - not so long ago they were going to write off their Challenger-2 ALL in good time ... But what will be the effect when they burn tanks, which are still considered ... Well, "indestructible" - this is thanks to the Turks in Syria - in past. But at least hard to kill ... At least they weren’t stabbed with Kalash on the bridge in Iraq, they weren’t shot with machine guns in the back of the tower’s head there, and even more so they weren’t burned with cardboard, like the Hussites (all about the Abrams, if anyone forgot). But when they start discussing how this ... Grosstractor ... They filled up like a real tractor - everyone will forget. what happened with the Abrams - it was so long ago, I suppose everything was fixed))) But it will be, it will be guaranteed not just to blaze a nemchura, but so that from this a series of reports you can make "well, that's disgusting your leoperd fillet" .. And they will do it, mattresses can do nothing but agitation, but they already got enough of them!
    1. +22
      26 January 2023 11: 52
      A very inappropriate propaganda article ... extremely capricious.
      1. +5
        26 January 2023 21: 26
        Did Staver ever have others?
        It's his job, what to do. After all, someone needs to pull an owl on a globe every week.
      2. +8
        27 January 2023 11: 55
        Why is the article "inappropriate"? Typical, here on VO- "urakryaklam" for joy, so to speak, to maintain morale. For a year, the second army of the world takes two villages, from the "worthless Sumerians" to whom, as it was written everywhere, the West sent all sorts of "junk", and here the "Leopards" and "Abrams" are on the way, followed by modern air defense systems and aviation with long-range missiles. ... wink
        1. 0
          29 January 2023 19: 22
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          and here "Leopards" and "Abrams" are on the way

          Which, with the Marders and Bragli, reveal their potential in assault operations and especially at night, in bad weather. Without the direct intervention of the Air Force, it will not be easy to stop.
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          followed by modern air defense systems and aircraft with long-range missiles

          So JDAM seems to have been announced a long time ago, after all, you can throw them off with Mig29. And JDAM is a powerful tool for attack aircraft, since the accuracy and large mass of warheads make it possible to break through any defense many times more effectively than artillery, without getting into enemy air defenses. Here the Wagnerites are being tormented in attacks on Bakhmut, although a few 250kg plop on targets would have put an end to it long ago.
  2. +16
    26 January 2023 06: 26
    Again, Staver, why haven't Kherson been handed over there yet?
    1. +8
      26 January 2023 07: 39
      Quote: tone
      Again, Staver, why haven't Kherson been handed over there yet?

      I won’t say about Kherson (everyone already knows the answer), but leopards and abrams are already on their way ... regarding image losses due to delivery - if you follow the author’s logic, then for example India should have already thrown out the T-72 and T-90 on dump of history following the results of the SVO, but it seems like they continue to buy and modernize ...
  3. +4
    26 January 2023 06: 39
    The sad fate of the once promising, but sold for a penny country ...
    Yes ... sad ..
  4. +9
    26 January 2023 07: 02
    We Soviet people are often reproached for the passivity of surrendering the USSR. But nothing has changed in our society. And now the current generation is quietly losing ground on pension reform. I could give examples, but they contradict the laws. Now is the War to a victorious end. Some have elevated the war to a religion. An article in the newspaper "Tomorrow", which states that the world is an endless war. It says that since ancient times there has been a war in order to develop lands and build cities. Directly Germany with white lambs and a shepherd. In ancient times, the war was waged for the sake of acquiring slaves. And the now revered Gaius Julius Caesar succeeded in this. Extracting slaves even from those lands whose extraction was prohibited by the Senate. Every war has its abomination.
    1. -11
      26 January 2023 09: 09
      Every war has its abomination

      That is, you, in your own words - a Soviet person, consider the Great Patriotic War an abomination? A war for the freedom of your country with the aggressor?
      That's exactly what you are - the same 5th column.
      1. +9
        26 January 2023 21: 31
        Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
        That is, you, in your own words - a Soviet person, consider the Great Patriotic War an abomination? A war for the freedom of your country with the aggressor?

        Everything is clear with the Great Patriotic War.
        But won't the grandfather, wise with gray hair, deign to explain who is the aggressor in the current war?
        And who is fighting for freedom?
        And then I got confused...
  5. -1
    26 January 2023 07: 35
    Rammstein showed that the West no longer believes in the victory of Ukraine.
    It is possible that the majority no longer believes, but at the same time they are ready to try to inflict as much damage on Russia as possible, believing that this should weaken it. And for this, you don’t feel sorry for anything, and perhaps even the image of your technology.
  6. +12
    26 January 2023 07: 55
    The Germans will not service tanks illegally supplied to Ukraine. Consequently, in just a matter of days, formidable machines will turn into a pile of scrap metal. Some will be burned, some will be broken by the great Ukrainians, some will simply stand up without consumables.

    Well, this is the exclusive style of the author ... in short, we will defeat everyone again
    As a result, Rammstein showed that the West no longer believes in the victory of Ukraine.
    In business, well, logic! Probably both near Kharkov and Kherson, everything was as it should be. They regrouped so skillfully that the morale of the Armed Forces of Ukraine finally fell. In other words, we won a moral victory! Therefore, the West sent them tanks, as a consolation fellow
  7. -4
    26 January 2023 07: 56
    Honestly, I was sure that the Germans would not give permission to supply their tanks to Kyiv. And the point here is not at all the unwillingness of Berlin to intensify the escalation of the conflict. The point is the image losses of Germany in the event of the start of such deliveries.
    The big boss doesn't care about the image of his subordinates.
    1. -4
      26 January 2023 07: 59
      We talked and wrote for a long time about the fact that Ukraine is just a territory for a NATO-Russia war, the USA-Russia. Today it is no longer even a territory of war. This is a garbage dump, where everything that was stored in European and American closets and on balconies is thrown out, in case - "what if it comes in handy." Something that is no longer needed, but simply throwing away the hand does not rise.
      Unfortunately, a lot of what they give shoots, flies, explodes and kills everyone in a row, indiscriminately.
      It will be a cruel, hard lesson for all of us...
      It is necessary to go through it as soon as possible, remember it and ... and then we'll see who and for what will have to return what they deserve.
  8. +9
    26 January 2023 09: 12
    Russia, with the number 6 economy in the world, was the number 2 arms seller. And nothing?
    Leaving the countries of the Warsaw Pact, they betrayed the allies and got enemies, but the weapons remained, of course, where they were. ....
    It's bad to be cretins ......
  9. +7
    26 January 2023 10: 44
    The sad fate of the once promising, but sold for a penny country ...

    Who are you talking about now?
    Ten years ago it was customary to be afraid of Russia. This can be traced in culture, take at least Hollywood films, and in everyday life it was. Over the course of a year, the attitude from "they must be reckoned with" fell to the point that Estonia wants to close the Gulf of Finland.
    And our confident position turned into a miserable bleating:
    We are sending more and more signals that some red lines have been crossed, but perhaps the reddest of them have not yet been crossed.
    1. +3
      26 January 2023 12: 17
      Quote from olgherd
      Ten years ago it was customary to be afraid of Russia. This can be traced in culture, take at least Hollywood films, and in everyday life it was.

      Alas, this is true - one of the saddest results of all this was that Russia was no longer afraid. The way they were afraid of the USSR.
      I'll go and watch Dr. Strangelove, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Atomic Bomb, where they laughed at their general fear of the Soviet Union.
      Laughed, yes. But there was fear! And now, no fear, no laughter ...
    2. -4
      26 January 2023 16: 51
      It is possible in more detail, who was afraid and how it looked? Insolently staged a coup d'état in Ukraine under our noses, probably out of fear of Russia, right? They impudently signed the Minsk agreements, which they were not going to fulfill, were they very afraid of Russia? They seized our assets immediately after the start of the NWO - were they very afraid of Russia's reaction?
      Stop fantasizing. There is nothing smart about provoking a strong opponent to the point where the response becomes already disproportionate, which is what the West is doing now. If a yard bully makes faces at a passing adult uncle who reacts sluggishly to this, this does not mean at all that he is NOT AFRAID of the uncle.
  10. +7
    26 January 2023 11: 23
    As a result, Rammstein showed that the West no longer believes in the victory of Ukraine

    Finally. The victory, about which Staver has been writing for a year, happened. When is the parade in Kyiv?

    In general, I am delighted with the kindness of the patriots. Whether it's worse or worse, the NATO mechanized corps appears right before their eyes, and all that worries them is the possible reputational losses of General Dynamics and Kraus-Maffei.
    1. -11
      26 January 2023 12: 01
      Quote: Negro
      NATO mechanized corps appears right before our eyes

      Frame? From which tank?

      A couple of dozen tanks for a "mechanized corps" is somehow not pulled, don't you think? wink
      1. +3
        26 January 2023 13: 56
        Quote: Repellent
        A couple of dozen tanks are somehow not pulled on a "mechanized corps"

        While we are talking about an English company, an American and French battalion and a German combined brigade. Of course, not the seventh American corps of Collins crossed out by Franks, three full-fledged armored and 2 mechanized divisions, but still a good start. I was sure that in 2023 a maximum of twadas would arrive.
  11. +5
    26 January 2023 12: 08
    for some authors, after well-known events, it is better to take a pseudonym - otherwise there will be no "finishing the article" ...
  12. +5
    26 January 2023 12: 11
    Already by the title it became clear that the author was Staver. You may not read.
  13. -5
    26 January 2023 15: 53
    "The sad fate of the once promising, but sold for a penny country ... "
    Zelensky is one who has long been a dollar billionaire: "well, it's just so much for a penny;)"
  14. +6
    26 January 2023 20: 33
    The Germans understand as well as the Americans that their "Leopards" will burn perfectly on the territory of Ukraine.

    It's already 50/50
    Nobody knows in advance

    They can burn to no avail, or they can complete combat missions and break into Berdyansk somewhere at the head of strike groups. And these photos will also be seen by the whole world. And instead of image losses, a queue of those wishing to acquire such weapons will line up. As happened, for example, with Hymars, who showed himself in the case
    1. -2
      27 January 2023 12: 49
      hymars did not show himself at all from the word at all
      1. 0
        27 January 2023 19: 11
        hymars did not show himself at all

        And how did they gouge the Kherson bridge across the Dnieper so that the passage of vehicles became impossible? And how did they put almost a hundred of ours at a time in Makiivka?
  15. +6
    26 January 2023 21: 15
    Unfortunately, the author again did not get an analytical review, but, as usual, agitprop ...
  16. +2
    27 January 2023 10: 20
    What all the analytics on VO over the past year has begun to look the same, well, just tracing paper from the Sumerian. And they understand everything there and terribly resist, and their weapons sometimes come in meager keolisms and in general guano and not weapons, etc., etc. And every time the mantra is already, well, they won’t put it in life, they will be afraid of the image and further along the manual. However, they are not afraid and deliver both in commercial quantities and agree among themselves promptly, they also do not forget to press those who have not joined their war, and everything is in order with the image, otherwise there would have been many who would have sent them a long time ago, at least no deliveries and trade until stopping the supply of weapons (a strong move, as it were). But it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist at all.
  17. -3
    27 January 2023 14: 10
    Quote: ivan2022
    Leaving the countries of the Warsaw Pact, they betrayed the allies and got enemies, but the weapons remained, of course, where they were. ....


    Who betrayed whom is how to look.
    Those are still allies, by and large.
  18. 0
    27 January 2023 14: 12
    Quote from olgherd
    Ten years ago it was customary to be afraid of Russia. This can be traced in culture, take at least Hollywood films, and in everyday life it was.


    They laughed at us in their "blockbusters".
    They were afraid of the USSR, and the Russian Federation was despised. And how not to despise those who lowered their power for "chewing gum jeans"?