Deputy head of military intelligence of Ukraine: Russia no longer uses tactics with the BTG during offensive operations

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Deputy head of military intelligence of Ukraine: Russia no longer uses tactics with the BTG during offensive operations

Ukrainian military intelligence said that Russian troops "changed the tactics" used in the offensive. The corresponding statement was made by a person who has been making statements on a regular basis in the past few days, broadcasting, among other things, about the timing of the “radical change”. This is a representative of Ukrainian intelligence Vadim Skibitsky.

Skibitsky, who holds the post of deputy head of military intelligence of Ukraine, today announced that now Russian troops do not use BTGs (battalion tactical groups), which in February last year “were thrown right through”.



Skibitsky:

Instead, the Russian command uses groups of 140-160 people for assault operations.

At the same time, according to Skibitsky, the Russian Armed Forces "returned to the classical brigade-regiment-battalion" scheme.

Skibitsky:

Assault groups include not only infantry, but also mortar crews, artillery units, motorized riflemen, Tanks, anti-tank calculations.

At the same time, it is not entirely clear why the military intelligence of Ukraine repeats the same thing over and over again - that the RF Armed Forces "have left the use of BTG"? Or in this way, the NATO command is informed about the situation with a call to change the tactics of commanding Ukrainian forces in the theater of operations… But this can also be done through closed channels, and not through the media and social networks. Or is it an attempt to justify the fact that after the change of tactics by the Russian troops, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had problems with the presence of "overcomes"?
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  1. +1
    January 23 2023
    Ukrainian military intelligence no longer knows how to justify its effectiveness. The next step... quoting Russian media.
    1. +23
      January 23 2023
      Quote: Andron78
      Ukrainian military intelligence no longer knows how to justify its effectiveness. The next step... quoting Russian media.

      But our patriotic military correspondents fundamentally disagree with you !!! am laughing
      According to their own data, intelligence in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is at the highest level (well, for a country like Ukraine, of course) - one observation of the movement of our troops from space from NATO online is still worth it ... do not underestimate the enemy! !! am it’s better to overestimate ... otherwise “Kyiv in 3 days” has already passed the stage ...
      1. +12
        January 23 2023
        Do not underestimate the enemy, he is cunning and resourceful!
        Already at the beginning of the operation, more than once received painful blows.
        Only, a real and sober policy of maintaining a database!)))
      2. +6
        January 23 2023
        Quote: Crown without virus
        Quote: Andron78
        Ukrainian military intelligence no longer knows how to justify its effectiveness. The next step... quoting Russian media.

        But our patriotic military correspondents fundamentally disagree with you !!! am laughing
        According to their own data, intelligence in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is at the highest level (well, for a country like Ukraine, of course) - one observation of the movement of our troops from space from NATO online is still worth it ... do not underestimate the enemy! !! am it’s better to overestimate ... otherwise “Kyiv in 3 days” has already passed the stage ...

        And from whom did you hear "Kyiv in three days"?
        1. +5
          January 23 2023
          Well, for example, I heard this from our nightingale, somewhere in January, before my own.
        2. +9
          January 23 2023
          Quote: azkolt
          And from whom did you hear "Kyiv in three days"?

          5 Feb. 2022 Lukashenka: "Ukraine will never fight with us: this war will last well, a maximum of three or four days! There will be no one to fight against us. Those who are shown there with these wooden machine guns, how they train ... And as soon as it smelled a little, Volodya Zelensky immediately collapsed, and "Guys, guys! .."

          1. 0
            January 29 2023
            Two fagots on both sides.
            Hundreds of thousands of dead Russians on both sides.
        3. +12
          January 23 2023
          You read the times of the beginning of February last year. Not only three days, but two hours were given to take Kyiv.
          1. 0
            January 24 2023
            three days - two hours to take Kyiv

            Here you don’t need to read VO, you never know writers and readers who are far from the military specialty, from the line of contact, from available information could write. For me, if such a task had been set, then Kyiv would have been taken, the Russian Armed Forces were already on the outskirts of Kyiv, and it was not difficult to increase the number of troops, the Gostomel airfield was taken, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Kyiv were limited ...
            It's just not clear - why didn't they take it?
            1. +1
              January 24 2023
              Quote: Ilnur
              It's just not clear - why didn't they take it?

              Negotiations spoke. Some - in order to pull the time to organize a rebuff and mobilization, others - so as not to inadvertently win ... and prevent mobilization.
              We remember - "There will be no mobilization !!!" .
            2. -2
              January 24 2023
              For me, if such a task had been set, then Kyiv would have been taken, the Russian Armed Forces were already on the outskirts of Kyiv, and it was not difficult to increase the number of troops, the Gostomel airfield was taken, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Kyiv were limited ...

              This was the task, and we saw well how our intelligence and those who planned this operation in particular and the NWO as a whole got screwed up. If our intelligence had worked as it should and the General Staff had planned our adequate actions, then our army could have surrounded the Donbass grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with counter strikes from the north and south, and the same 45th airborne special forces brigade stationed near Kyiv could possibly have occupied Kharkov in the first weeks of the NWO. Then the situation would be completely different.
              And the Ministry of Defense should, long before the start of the NMD, restore the country’s mobile reserve by recreating the framed units and equipping them with officers, equipment, weapons and uniforms, bring the military registration and enlistment offices to a working state, and finally really re-equip the army, equipping it with digital communications and command and control systems, UAVs including shock and order at least a couple of thousand heavy armored personnel carriers Boomerang and infantry fighting vehicles Kurganets. But neither the Ministry of Defense nor the General Staff did anything of this because of the incompetence and lack of training of their leadership.
              1. kaa
                0
                January 25 2023
                The airborne brigade would take your city of 1.5 million .. and you are still talking about incompetence?
      3. +2
        January 24 2023
        one online observation of the movement of our troops from space from NATO is worth it

        Photo reconnaissance satellites are in low orbits - the time of flight of the satellite in the window is literally 15 minutes. It's only in the movies they show that they hang in one place for hours.
      4. 0
        January 25 2023
        In this case, and it is necessary to evaluate the intelligence of NATO, and not Ukraine, they are not just given information, they are analyzed, and they are given a preliminary decision for the commanders.
    2. 0
      January 27 2023
      Quote: Andron78
      The next step... quoting Russian media.

      In order to quote "some civilians" from both sides, you need to understand the concepts, and not repeat the heard terms like parrots.
      Battalion tactical group - this is a reinforced battalion in Russian. Those. not only infantry, but also a tank company, an artillery battery (division), there may be sappers, chemists (flamethrowers), air defense. It is the BTGr who conducts an elementary but rather large battle with the involvement, as a rule, of all possible weapons in the regiment.
      So did the sensible command always, when, of course, there was something to strengthen. Characteristic for both the Wehrmacht and the SA 1943 - 1945.
      But the BTG cannot and should not fight in isolation, it is also part of a regiment (brigade), division.
      Another thing is that we had few divisions (brigades) and those of the regiments (battalions) of incomplete strength and their armored personnel carriers occupied too large a front. This is the main reason for retreats.
      And the company (company tactical group) is also part of the battalion, and 10-15 such small units are not formed in the regiment. The fact that not the entire BTGR or regiment, but the company (platoon) attacks in one direction or another is determined by the tasks assigned to them.
      More divisions, good and different, then different "groups" will be enough to win.
  2. +8
    January 23 2023
    Well, they changed and changed .. The main thing is that there would be a result. That they are so concerned. This tactic is time-tested
    1. +6
      January 23 2023
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      Well, they changed and changed .. The main thing is that there would be a result. That they are so concerned.

      It is not clear to Shiry: how so ??? instead of a battalion group, a reinforced ROTA goes and solves the same tasks ... but much better!
      And their BTG, tailored according to American patterns, cannot do anything with ours ...
      The trend, however! (With) laughing
      1. +1
        January 24 2023
        And their BTG, tailored according to American patterns, cannot do anything with ours ...


        BTGs were effective when we simply didn’t have enough people and equipment along the front line, now that both of them are saturated, BTGs are easily knocked out and no longer bring the same result as they did at the beginning.
    2. +3
      January 24 2023
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      Well, they changed and changed .. The main thing is that there would be a result. That they are so concerned. This tactic is time-tested

      Well, how can I say ... BTG tactics were pushed by the Americans. There was a period when our parrots started to parrot until they snitched. After that, they returned to the checked one. And there is nothing left for them, at least to criticize the imposed APU, the amertactics of the BTG.
  3. +13
    January 23 2023
    Brigade-regiment-battalion? And not a division-regiment-battalion?
    1. +9
      January 23 2023
      Namely, that the division, not the brigade
      Ttttttttt
      1. +2
        January 23 2023
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Precisely that the division

        So we are just going to move on .. And here, from one mention, this is happening!
        In truth:-- YOUR DIVISION ... MOTHER !!! fellow
  4. +4
    January 23 2023
    Gerasimov at the end of last year said that the length of the front line is 815 kilometers, in order to hold and attack it at the rate of 1 division per 10 kilometers, 82 divisions or 27 combined arms armies are needed.
    https://ria.ru/20221222/front-1840586436.html
    1. 0
      January 23 2023
      To be honest, I opened your link, some kind of plant turns out. Maybe the screen is more reliable.
      1. +3
        January 23 2023
        Quote: tralflot1832
        To be honest, I opened your link, some kind of plant turns out. Maybe the screen is more reliable.

        1. +7
          January 23 2023
          And a year and a half ago, they forgot about this when planning, or did the curvimeter break down?
        2. +2
          January 24 2023
          Where in the words of Gerasimov "we need 82 divisions" or did he think? Besides, why attack across the front line? Attacks are usually carried out on a certain strategic direction of the main attack. For this, a grouping of a breakthrough is going. Why do we need a division for 10 km along the entire length of the front line?
      2. +3
        January 23 2023
        Quote: tralflot1832
        To be honest, I opened your link, some kind of plant turns out. Maybe the screen is more reliable.

        specific plant.
    2. +6
      January 23 2023
      This is a group of 1 million people, for the times of the Second World War this is an everyday figure, for the times of capitalist Russia it is unbearable ... This is not a million in Swiss banks for yachts, clubs ....
      1. 0
        January 23 2023
        Well, guest workers need to be attracted. Pay of course. Yachts, clubs. You have to justify the benefits. Let them pay.
      2. +5
        January 23 2023
        For modern Russia, it is difficult to expose 1 million soldiers not because of the millions in Swiss banks, but because of these same soldiers. At least take a glimpse of a typical infantryman of the Red Army and a typical infantryman of the RF Armed Forces.


        Have you noticed that there is much more equipment for one fighter? We still don’t remember about the equipment that must necessarily accompany the infantry. In the Second World War, the T-34 issued a conditional one and sent it. And today, the conditional T-90 is not only a whole arsenal of electronics and automatic systems (one KAZ is worth something), but also corny more metal - compare the masses of tanks, since they are talking about them. And we haven’t started about air support yet.
        Today's 1 million soldiers are worth much more than 80 years ago. And to equate them to each other is a mistake.
        1. -1
          January 24 2023
          Yes, kaz is really worth a lot, which is probably why it is not there. And what is the actual difference between the foot soldiers then? In an automatic? Well, you can't tell from this photo. Thermal imager / night light / body kits from a warrior? There are none, like those warriors "in warehouses". In the DPR, in general, mobs and helmets from the Second World War were issued to mobs for the assault on Mariupol. + loose ammo pouch.
          1. -1
            January 24 2023
            There are none, like those warriors "in warehouses"

            I'm wondering for what purpose you're lying? Free or for money? Your lies are very easily exposed. We take video from the marines in Mariupol - all in warriors, in helmets, in bulletproof vests, everything is as it should be. We take a video of the recent storming of the UR in Kamenka - the stormers in bulletproof vests, helmets, Warriors. But these are not ceremonial videos, but combat ones. Now give an example of assault groups with mosquitoes.
            In the DPR, in general, mobs and helmets from the Second World War were issued to mobs for the assault on Mariupol. +

            Well, this is liberda's favorite rubbish. Well, firstly, at that moment the DPR was not a subject of the Russian Federation and its army was not part of the RF Armed Forces. So they gave what they had. Nobody counted on mass mobilization. The armed forces of the DPR at that time did not exceed 10 thousand people, and mobilized about 50 thousand. Secondly, in the DPR, too, they weren’t fools and they didn’t throw poorly armed and equipped people into battle - they were all on the 3rd line. Thirdly, they were all rearmed and equipped quite quickly. Fourthly, mobs from the DPR did not storm Mariupol. It was stormed by the East, Somalia and the Marines of the Russian Federation.
        2. -1
          January 24 2023
          Quote: Plate
          Today's 1 million soldiers are worth much more than 80 years ago. And to equate them to each other is a mistake.

          So after all, modern technologies are much higher than 80 years ago. And to equate them to each other is a mistake.

          Put our capitalists in the conditions that they were in 1941, I doubt very much that they could repeat the labor feat that the Soviet people accomplished.
          1. +2
            January 24 2023
            Put our capitalists in the conditions that they were in 1941, I doubt very much that they could repeat the labor feat that the Soviet people accomplished.

            for some reason, on one side of the comparison, you put the capitalists, and on the other side, the people. And what, now the working people have disappeared and only capitalists remain? Are the oligarchs storming the trenches in Kamenka and near Solidar now? And who made the victories in the wars of the 16,17th, 18th, 19th and XNUMXth centuries? Capitalists? I think you are writing some kind of populist nonsense.
            about your opponent - he is basically right about something. During the Second World War, everything was simple: here's a rifle, two packs of cartridges, two grenades and a direction where to dig trenches. And with our mobilized they are worn like a chicken and an egg - either they didn’t bring them warm underpants, or they didn’t provide a warm dugout, or they didn’t teach them. And just that they climb to buzz or post plaintive videos on tik-tok. In 1941, they had a fast tik-tok - a tribunal, a bullet in the forehead and in the pit. Everybody.
            1. -1
              January 24 2023
              Quote: Ka-52
              And what we have now the working people disappeared and only capitalists remained?

              And where is this working people? How many factories closed? Around the import! Now there are more and more office people, yes guest workers ... Thanks to the capitalists! And how people rushed abroad in two waves - on February 24 and with the beginning of partial mobilization! Didn't you hear? Not? And about the 500s, who changed his mind about fighting? The Soviet people had no such history!

              Quote: Ka-52
              for some reason, on the one hand of the comparison, you put the capitalists, and on the other hand, the people

              Yes, you do not find fault with words. I compared eras and systems. And here you are:
              Quote: Ka-52
              write some populist nonsense.



              Quote: Ka-52
              During the Second World War everything was simple: here's a rifle, two packs of cartridges, two grenades and a direction where to dig trenches.

              Well, yes! There were no tanks, no planes! To listen to you, they won with rifles alone!
              But the fact is that then we had the most advanced weapons and the mobilization of the entire country. And now?
              1. +1
                January 24 2023
                And where is this working people?

                Come to any plant - there are people standing by the machines, open-hearth furnaces and presses. Tell them that they are capitalists, so they will clean your face. And for guest workers they also throw kicks.
                Yes, you do not find fault with words. I compared eras and systems

                to compare it is necessary comparable, the same criteria. And not horseradish and a finger.
                Well, yes! There were no tanks, no planes! To listen to you, they won with rifles alone!

                are you stupid? It was about those mobilized as part of the partial mobilization of the hype around her. What tanks, what planes??? You write according to the principle "I hear a ringing - I don't know where it comes from."
                But the fact is that then we had the most advanced weapons and the mobilization of the entire country. And now?

                Well, firstly, about the most advanced weapons, this is nonsense. Good, allowing mass production, but not the most advanced. Secondly, the mobilization of the entire country was forced as part of a global war. Now a global war? If you think so, then run to the military registration and enlistment office as soon as possible.
                1. -1
                  January 24 2023
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  Now a global war?

                  But how? Quite a collective West! Didn't you hear? Yes, I'm not surprised.

                  Quote: Ka-52
                  Tell them they are capitalists, so they your face will be cleaned. And for guest workers also kicks are thrown.

                  Why should I tell someone what one eccentric with VO blurted out stupidly?

                  And where did you get such intimate knowledge about workers? It looks like the eccentric has already been thrown and cleaned, as it usually happens!

                  Quote: Ka-52
                  are you stupid?

                  Yes, you are not very upset. I can't keep up with you! Of course I mean dumb.
                  1. 0
                    January 24 2023
                    But how? Quite a collective West!

                    War is the conduct of direct hostilities by the army of one state against the army of another. Remind the army of which state other than Ukraine are we fighting? There is no need to grind propaganda bullshit here, talker.
                    Why should I tell someone what one eccentric with VO blurted out stupidly?

                    Well, you called all of us gastro workers. I can send you a pendal for everyone so that you don’t talk nonsense with your tongue.
                    1. -1
                      January 24 2023
                      Quote: Sergey_tactics
                      I can send you a pendal for everyoneso that you don't talk nonsense with your tongue.

                      Will it work? Or are you just a hero on the Internet?
    3. +3
      January 23 2023
      Well, if it hadn't been announced, we wouldn't have guessed. I wrote about this back in March. But the patriots said that I was an intruder. I sent them.
    4. 0
      January 24 2023
      Division defense line along the front, direction of the main attack? No, I didn’t hear ...
  5. +11
    January 23 2023
    I wrote about it a couple of months ago - I was ridiculed.
    The Ukrainians switched to company and even platoon tactical groups half a year ago.
    And after them - and the Russian army.
  6. 0
    January 23 2023
    Tactics should be, scorched earth. And deaf defense. There is no point in taking anything. Take scorched earth. The skating rink should move slowly and quietly. So that all the forelocks enjoy the war, the help of NATO, the love of Europe, and so on. Lace panties should go rancid under camouflage pants. Enjoy gilyaks, getkas and other forelocks. But the main thing is that the European comrades spend well and suffer damage. Hemorrhoids should be extensive and mutual. Any thoughts of taking anything and the flag on top. We have to drive further. This will lead to sacrifice. And this should be minimized.
    1. 0
      January 24 2023
      If the line of this scorched earth passed through your village / city, or at least you were there, you would not sing like that. And yes, glass soil, after nuclear weapons, scorched earth, the whole world is in ruins, it’s very uplifting and epic to speak, isn’t it? Let's see, it might not be that long.
  7. +1
    January 23 2023
    Ce qui surprenant pour un "service de renseignement" c'est de parler autant et d'être si peu discret, je pensais (sans doute naïvement) qu'un service de renseignement devait être le plus discret possible pour être le plus efficace possible.
    Un ami Vietnamien (ancien d'un service "discret") me disait toujours: "un bon espion vaut 2000 combattants".
    Mais que penser de ces services qui occupent les médias, service de renseignement ou de propagande?

    yandex
    What is surprising about the "intelligence service" is that it talks so much and behaves so inconspicuously, I thought (perhaps naively) that the intelligence service should be as discreet as possible in order to be as effective as possible.
    One Vietnamese friend (who was in the "invisible" service) always told me: "A good spy is worth 2000 fighters."
    But what do you think about these services that deal with the media, intelligence service or propaganda service?
  8. 0
    January 23 2023
    Of course we don't use it. We do not have battalion tactical groups in the structure of the ground forces, we have battalions. If necessary, the battalion, if necessary, can receive reinforcements.
  9. SIT
    0
    January 24 2023
    If journalists wrote this, it would be understandable, but the deputy head of military intelligence still had to know about the existence of Bagramyan's order of April 1945 to storm Koenigsberg. What this military man describes is called a company assault group in Bagramyan's order. This is the composition of these groups and had. Instead of tanks, during the assault on the forts, "St. John's wort" was used - self-propelled guns with a 152mm gun.
  10. -1
    January 29 2023
    Quote: Ka-52
    Put our capitalists in the conditions that they were in 1941, I doubt very much that they could repeat the labor feat that the Soviet people accomplished.

    for some reason, on one side of the comparison, you put the capitalists, and on the other side, the people. And what, now the working people have disappeared and only capitalists remain? Are the oligarchs storming the trenches in Kamenka and near Solidar now? And who made the victories in the wars of the 16,17th, 18th, 19th and XNUMXth centuries? Capitalists? I think you are writing some kind of populist nonsense.
    about your opponent - he is basically right about something. During the Second World War, everything was simple: here's a rifle, two packs of cartridges, two grenades and a direction where to dig trenches. And with our mobilized they are worn like a chicken and an egg - either they didn’t bring them warm underpants, or they didn’t provide a warm dugout, or they didn’t teach them. And just that they climb to buzz or post plaintive videos on tik-tok. In 1941, they had a fast tik-tok - a tribunal, a bullet in the forehead and in the pit. Everybody.


    Do not compare with the Great Patriotic War! Then they managed to break into our country.

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