WarGonzo's message about the arrival of Leopard 2 tanks in Ukraine raises questions

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While the United States, its satellites and the European press mobilized by Washington are trying to "push through" the German authorities on the issue of supplies of German tanks independent, Poland has already declared its readiness to provide the Armed Forces with Leopard 2, despite the position of Berlin.

It is possible that Warsaw, being one of the most zealous opponents of Russia, has already begun the transfer of German MBTs to the Kyiv regime, or at least is preparing for this.

According to military correspondents on the TG channel Wargonzo, referring to their sources, Leopard 2s were allegedly seen in Nikolaev and were probably transported to the facilities of the local armored plant. The note says that such equipment was transported on tractors.

However, this news (at least at the time of its publication) is not supported by objective evidence and raises certain questions. It is not clear why the Armed Forces of Ukraine transported tanks specifically to Nikolaev. The recruitment of new units of the Ukrainian army, intended for the planned offensive, is carried out on the territory of Western Ukraine and foreign countries. Accordingly, it would be more reasonable to send tanks there - to Lvov.

If we assume that the Leopard 2 needed repair, then it could have been carried out not at the Nikolaevsky BTRZ, but at repair facilities located in the west of the country, or, in the best case, on the territory of the state supplying them, so that the cars arrived already in proper shape and were ready for crew training.

If a couple of tanks really arrived in Nikolaev, then where could they be transported by truck tractors (on platforms)? In fact, through the whole of Ukraine from Poland or from Odessa, where could they be delivered by sea? There are many questions, including the question of whether we are really talking about Leopard 2 tanks, and not about dummies in order (by the Kyiv regime) to further spur Western sponsors to transfer NATO-style tanks?

There is no official reaction of the Russian departments to the information of the mentioned channel yet.

Comments

[K._2]

I have a question. Why is an armored plant still functioning in Nikolaev and why has it not been wiped off the face of the earth? "Abramovich" belongs? I knew it.

[Terenin]

There is no official reaction of the Russian departments to the information of the mentioned channel yet.

What are the graters about then? Let's wait. Though I don't think it'll be long.

[Virus-free crown]

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I have a question. Why is an armored plant still operating in Nikolaev and Why hasn't he been wiped off the face of the earth? "Abramovich" belongs? I knew it.

So we ... that ... VSE shoot at transformer boxes ... with calibers ... instead of bridges and factories ... otherwise, God forbid, the transportation of oil and gas to the West will collapse And so everything is in business - it seems that the SVO is on, and the money is dripping to us

[Al manah]

Indeed, it's only ̶g̶l̶u̶p̶y̶e̶ naive people can demand either to take off the cross or put on shorts. Real aces of balancing act are able to combine the incompatible, annulling the concept of catachresis.

[Leshak]

... so everything is in business - it seems that the CBO is on, and the money
us dripping...

I'm embarrassed to ask us who exactly is this?

[azkolt]

Recently, new equipment from ... Italy arrived at our enterprise! And they brought him through .... Lithuania!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: hrych

US collusion with such a ghoul as Stalin,

It is for the West that IV Stalin was Grandpa JOE and the "Scourge of God" ...
And for the Soviet people - "the father of peoples, the successor of Lenin's work" ... My mother told me how people wept bitterly when he died ... They wept for real, as if for a native person ... And everyone asked: - What will happen to us now? Without Stalin??? It was a real people's love for the LEADER-WINNER ... Don't believe me? Then ask the surviving front-line soldiers - with whose name did they go on the attack under machine-gun fire from the Germans?
"For motherland for Stalin!" - the same was written on the armor of our tanks ...
But Khrushchev came and turned everything down the drain. He released Bandera, whose descendants we are now dealing with in Ukraine ...
I am not a Stalinist. I feel sorry for the country! (With)

[hrych]

For the Motherland! For Stalin!, of course, a propaganda stamp. Shouted "Hurrah!!!" and swear words. Even theoretically, it is impossible to yell such a recitative. Why not an excerpt from Onegin? So to speak. Stalin and the Rockefellers had a conspiracy back in the thirties, when the main Bolsheviks were confiscated gold in Swiss banks and allowed them to industrialize. Each Bolshevik, such as Lenin, Trotsky, Bukharin, Rykov, Zinoviev and other nasty things, deposited 3 lards of gold into his account in Switzerland at present money. This was published by the New York Times back then. And the stolen royal gold migrated from Switzerland to Fort Knox. The US industrialists, of course, supplied steam locomotives, cranes, etc. The second tranche of the United States was received from Stalin in the form of conquistador gold exported from Spain for Lend-Lease, and, following the war, Reich gold. Those. It was Stalin who filled the US bins with gold. Therefore, the Breton Woods system was adopted precisely thanks to Stalin and the dollar became the world currency with a firm peg to gold, which lay in Knox. Well, the UN has moved there. From the standpoint of logic, Stalin is the six Rockefellers. All confused nuclear weapons, but that's another story. And when, thanks to the second universal dunce - Brezhnev, they adopted the Jamaican system, then they completely untied the dollar from gold. And Brezhnev ruled in tandem with Andropov. Not the point. Let us return to the "red saint", whom some people already paint on icons, but it is true that it was he who demolished the Cathedral of Christ the Savior and thousands more churches, as well as in his libels - shaped non-Christ. So, this "saint" created Israel and he immediately resold to the West and ruined our whole life for our Arab friends, allowing the West to retain control over Suez - the main world trade channel. Nothing, Uighuria (the size of Alaska) and Manchuria (the size of one and a half Alaska) and the Principality of Meijiang (the size of Belarus) were presented by the PRC., Which again sold out to the West. Amazing "genius". And in addition, he also gave an atomic bomb. Khrushchev tried to stop it, but the point of no return was passed and Mao's French helped in the formation of a nuclear power. The Chinese attacked Vietnam and even checked us in a border incident, and in Afghanistan it was the proxy war with the PRC that determined our problems, where he stood shoulder to shoulder with the West. And at the expense of Khrushchev, in the first place, it was Stalin who took pity on the Nazis and saved their lives, including Bandera. The Hungarian and Czech Nazis simply staged uprisings, thanks to their mustachioed heritage. He rejected Yugoslavia and so on. But Khrushchev was in his place, his red lines are now being pushed aside. Khrushchev stopped blaming everything on the ungrateful Mao and reined him in. Khrushchev drove American missiles from our borders, this is the cause of the Caribbean crisis. Khrushchev shook his nuclear club, banged Kuzkin's mother and put the Americans in their place. They removed Khrushch by a conspiracy agreed with the United States. In general, the Soviet leaders are nasty on nasty things, Khrushch has enough of his sins and how Russia survived is simply a miracle.

[bayard]

Quote: hrych

All in all, Soviet leaders are nasty on nasty...and how Russia survived is a miracle.

Grunt, the tongue will dry up!
Together with the fingers that they slapped such muck.
Your Khrushchev Port Arthur passed along with the CER. And I’m not talking about his hysteria after the British (second) assassination attempt on him in a raid near Indonesia. When he abandoned the ships there (according to the official version, he donated them to the Indonesians) ... without training, he simply abandoned the ships, and ordered the crews to be taken to Vladivostok by plane ... My friend's stepfather served on that cruiser, he said. Everyone was amazed then - what a miracle is doing. The sailors were not even allowed to take personal belongings - they left everything there. To this day, no one can understand what it was. And it was HYSTERIC ... and animal fear (the first attempt on the same ship was in the English port, when our combat swimmer prevented the installation of magnetic mines) ... And both attempts during one voyage.
And "For the Motherland, for Stalin" - they shouted. only mostly commanders and political officers, when they went on the attack. And during the attack itself, yes - MAT. Which in the Russian language is called - BRAN (and the word abusive), in other words - "the word military", or simply - RUSSIAN MILITARY LANGUAGE.
Do you still have some "galoshes" from the Soviet Power?
Did Stalin collude with Rockefeller?
For the sake of industrialization and preparing the country for war?
And WON that war.
And for American loans at the end of each five-year plan was calculated at ZERO.
Did you pay for Lend-Lease in gold?
Sin ??
It can be seen that he brought so much gold out of the country that by the end of his life he had accumulated as much as 5000 tons of gold in the Treasury of the Country of Soviets!
After a hard war and the rapid recovery of the country after it ... Where did it come from then - GOLD?
The United States collected all the gold of its citizens under pain of criminal punishment, cashed in on our Industrialization (I remind you that Stalin paid FULLY for all deliveries from the United States, upon delivery and no later than the end of the five-year plan), on the financing of Hitler's Germany from 1933 to 1941. , on loans and military supplies to all warring parties during WWII ... having pumped up its GDP over the years to 50% of the planetary ... collected from all countries their gold reserves under the Bretton Woods Treaty ... and at the same time in Fort -Knoxe the US had 8500 tons of gold at its peak!!
And Stalin, after a difficult war and expenses for Industrialization, WAR and the post-war restoration of the Country ... 5000 tons of gold!
This is not "galoshes" for you.
This is the art of Public Administration at the Genius level.
And not a degree lower.

Quote: hrych

Those. It was Stalin who filled the US bins with gold.

Well, I say - Genius. And Fort Knox filled the patrimony of Rockefeller, and stuffed its State Treasury to the brim.

Quote: hrych

this "saint" created Israel and he was immediately resold to the West

Created . To this day, old Jews in Israel have portraits of Stalin hanging in the Red Corner.
And then Israel became a thorn in the ass of the British Empire (there was one) and the United States, while we were forging a nuclear shield. And the Arabs were then controlled by the British, French and Americans ... they didn’t even give us Libya under a mandate, even though Stalin asked ... So the former allies got a hedgehog in their pants . The entire administration of the state and the command staff of the Israeli Army were formed in the USSR, Czechoslovakia supplied captured German weapons to them. And there the Soviet nuclear bomb arrived in time.
And it was Khrushchev, whom you love, who quarreled with Israel and the USSR. He broke off relations unilaterally . So the Jews moved under the wing of the United States.
And since that time we began to pick up the Arab countries left without a European mandate. One Egypt passed to us, which was only worth it. And control of the Suez Canal.
True, the Arabs immediately started a war with Israel ... for us it was not very good and useful. But how much fun on the planet has become (joking of course).

Quote: hrych

Brezhnev ruled in tandem with Andropov.

And he didn’t spare a barrel (roll) on Brezhnev ...
And Andropov ... he is also a "father", a "midwife" of all your favorite former and current "democrats", bourgeois and rulers of Russia! How did you dare him? After all, he educated everyone, promoted them up the career ladder, nurtured and protected (the same guild workers and shadow business in the USSR). It was he who brought all the "fathers of Perestroika" into the Central Committee and the Politburo, did not allow the arrest of the American agent Yakovlev ... and his (Andropov) liaison officer visited the Rofeller Center in New York almost every day to coordinate actions and receive instructions ...
This is YOUR father!
And thanks to Leonid Ilyich, my generation had a happy childhood.

Quote: hrych

Khrushchev was in his place

He was in his place when he was buried under a spotted monument. It's a pity it's so late.

[hrych]

Stalin did not have gold and currency, when he arranged an economic reform and even sold grain, the famine of 1946-48 broke out. And so the bloodless country lost up to two million more people. There was an overproduction of grain in the United States, but Stalin did not turn to a former ally for help, he was offended by the start of the Cold War. At that time, the United States had nuclear weapons, but the USSR did not, they had to give up positions anyway, and for help they would have to give up something. Of course, the starvation of millions of Russian people for the sake of the world revolution is better. Mao demanded from Khrushch nuclear weapons and more land, not having received, he was offended and began to play dirty tricks. Khrushch removed advisers and specialists, as a result, without "brains", the Maoists unleashed the VVV (Great Sparrow War) and up to 30 million Chinese died from hunger caused by caterpillars, as in WWII. Khrushch also threatened Mao with a nuclear club, and only after Khrushch's dismissal, Mao climbed into Damansky, Altai and later friendly India and Vietnam. Those. Brezhnev's policy led to a complete loss of control over China and its complete transition to the West bloc and Nixon's visit. Although immediately after the removal of Khrushch, the West did give Mao a nuclear bomb. They bang 2 days after the removal of Khrushch, who would not have allowed this. Caribbean crisis in tape. Unlike subsequent mumbling, Khrushch was resolute. Andropov and Brezhnev - a tandem that led to the removal of Khrushch, and then the removal of Shelepin and the cleansing of the remnants of the Stalinist guard. Andropov develops a program and Brezhnev follows it, and Andropov is Brezhnev's official successor. Together they prepared "détente" and turned the USSR into a raw materials appendage. They liquidated Kurchatov and Korolyov, rotted Demikhov, ensured the backlog in science and technology and the breakthrough of the West due to the introduction of computers. Prepared the USSR for the slaughter and establishment of the World Government. Stalin ensured the emergence of a world currency and a world parliament - the UN and all in the USA. He also created Israel. Khrushchev violated the plans of world evil, but was eliminated. Then everything is according to the plan of the arrival of the Antichrist, where the general secretaries worked clearly. Yeltsin confused the plans, did not allow the RSFSR to collapse and retained its nuclear potential ... Everyone vilifies Khrushch and Yeltsin, but it was they who prevented the Satanists and Putin has a chance in the battle for the Earth ...

[bayard]

Quote: hrych

Everyone vilifies Khrushch and Yeltsin, but it was they who prevented the Satanists and Putin has a chance in the battle for the Earth...

Wow, what a "holy trinity" you have drawn. Especially Yeltsin and Khrushchev.

Quote: hrych

Stalin did not have gold and currency when he arranged an economic reform and even sold grain

Is it about Industrialization?
The USSR was not then recognized by the leading countries of the West, and England pushed through a ban on trade with the USSR for gold. And a man who managed not only to bring the country out of trade isolation, but also made an unprecedented leap from bastard backwardness to the first industrial powers of the World ... Do you dare to accuse ... of WHAT?
He just solved all these problems. And concluding an agreement with the United States on trade and economic cooperation, he stipulated the obligations of the United States to open the market for ALL categories of goods from the USSR. And commitments at US trade parity!! And supplying machine tools, equipment, entire factories and even turnkey industries to the USSR, the United States bought from the USSR everything (!!) that we offered to their market. In the United States, it even came to the ruin of farmers, because marketable grain was sent from the USSR as payment. The USSR even supplied ... pencils and ... buttons to the USA! And they had to buy everything from us. According to the parity trade agreement. Therefore, the USSR repaid all loans, as a rule, in the year of delivery of goods, and by the end of the five-year plan, it was calculated to zero. Stalin did not allow any debt dependence.

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the famine of 1946-48 broke out

There was a drought and crop failure. Not only here, but throughout Europe. And in our country this was superimposed on the post-war devastation ... and responsibility for controlled (occupied) Eastern Europe. But this was the last famine in Russia. Already in 1949, the food problem was solved - agricultural machinery again went to the collective farms, the collective farmers were enlarged with personal plots of land, the breeding of livestock (except for collective farms), and the cultivation of gardens were stimulated. New lands were introduced into the crop rotation at the expense of the Nature Change program - forests and windbreaks began to be planted in the USSR. The southern Ukrainian steppes, which had previously suffered from regular dust storms, became the breadbasket of the Country.

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At that time, the United States had nuclear weapons, but the USSR did not,

Yes, the USSR, before the appearance of a nuclear bomb in our country in 1949, was under the constant threat of a sudden nuclear bombardment. American reconnaissance aircraft regularly flew over the USSR, conducting aerial photography for future nuclear strikes. And at first there was simply nothing to intercept them - because of the flight altitude, speed and too few radars. Even over Moscow, Tu-4 reconnaissance aircraft flew several times! That is why, in such a hurry, the Air Defense Forces were created as a separate branch of the military, the Berkut S-25 air defense system around Moscow (and then around Beijing).
... And in such circumstances, you present to the head of the Soviet State ... to make concessions to the United States for the sake of ... food supplies??
For lentil soup???

Quote: hrych

Stalin did not turn to a former ally for help, he was offended by the start of the Cold War.

"I was offended" ... and so "We would drink" Bavarian "and eat hamburgers" ....
Meanwhile, it was in the USSR that food cards were the first in post-war Europe to be abolished.
And prices after that every year (or even twice a year) REDUCED.
The greatness and competence of the Ruler can and should be assessed by those problems and challenges that he could (or could not) overcome. Stalin overcame.

Quote: hrych

created Israel

Created .
As a foothold of the USSR in the Middle East.
And as an awl in the ass of the British - Palestine was then under their mandate.
And he left a huge military group in Germany.
And I CREATED Long-Range Aviation in a matter of years. Which, even without nuclear weapons, could wipe England into dust from European airfields (it is closer - it is easier), and bring the nuclear bombs that appeared in 1949 to the United States.
And it was then that the British miners (trade union leaders) who visited the USSR raised a struggle in England for "the same wages and social guarantees as in the USSR."
All the successes of the USSR after Stalin's death are due to the development of those programs and plans that Stalin began. On that backlog, Russia is still alive to this day.

Quote: hrych

Andropov and Brezhnev - a tandem that led to the removal of Khrushch, and then the removal of Shelepin and the cleansing of the remnants of the Stalinist guard

When Khrushch was removed, Andropov was not in the pool of state power, and Brezhnev was considered as a temporary, passing figure. And it was Brezhnev who pulled Andropov (a party functionary who had nothing to do with the special services) to him and put him in charge of the KGB - for the sake of loyalty and the stability of his own power.

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They eliminated Kurchatov and Korolev,

Not "they", but ... Andropov?
The godfather of all current power?

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Together they prepared "détente" and turned the USSR into a raw materials appendage.

They ... counted on the "peaceful coexistence of the two systems" when the United States had already broken down in its attempts in Vietnam, in BV, etc. When they could be finished off with one kick ... "the knight took pity on the snake."
The USSR saved the United States from the "Oil Crisis" (when all Arab and Muslim countries refused to supply oil to the United States and NATO countries because of Palestine) ... by starting to supply them with oil ... And not even for rubles, but for ... dollars.
And it was Andropov who was the conductor of this policy.

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They liquidated Kurchatov and Korolyov, rotted Demikhov, ensured the lag in science and technology and the breakthrough of the West due to the introduction of computers

The processes "against the pseudoscience of Cybernetics" began under Khrushchev. And they defended it from the neo-Trotskyites ... the military - representatives of the Strategic Missile Forces, missile defense and the emerging cosmonautics. And then ... WHO was in charge of these areas?
Brezhnev Leonid Ilyich. Along the lines of the Politburo.

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Unlike subsequent mumbling, Khrushch was resolute.

It seems that the United States piled on "mumbles" in Vietnam? ... Did they not allow the striped ones to intervene in the Arab-Israeli conflict? ... Helped many African countries get rid of colonial dependence, fight off the interventionists and build their own states? ...
Maybe it was the "mumblers" who kept a whole corps in Cuba a few dozen miles from Philadelphia? Did Soviet aviation (including PLO aircraft) fly over the Caribbean Sea at home?
And did the "mumblings" deploy so many military bases for the Navy and Aviation in Africa and South Asia?

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Khrushch violated the plans of world evil

He surrendered Port Arthur, the Chinese Eastern Railway, Indonesia, almost returned the disputed islands to the Japanese ... destroyed the Soviet Government, sectoral ministries, introducing "direct party leadership of the economy" in the country and introducing economic councils. And he shot the Soviet people in Novocherkassk.

Quote: hrych

and Putin has a chance in the battle for the Earth...

For the Galaxy.

[hrych]

Those. for each answer, the pants are crap, but it became cooler

Quote: bayard

For the Galaxy.

If there is a struggle with the world currency, then the battle for the Earth. If there is a struggle with the World hegemon, then the battle for the Earth. If, as a result, thermonuclear weapons are used, including those capable of causing a tsunami, breaking the "lid" of a supervolcano, then this is a battle for the Earth. If an atomplane with a powerful radar and a quantum generator appears in high Earth orbit, then this is a battle for the Earth.

[bayard]

Quote: hrych

If there is a struggle with the world currency

That the Central Bank of the Russian Federation finances the US budget for 2 billion dollars. (a few days ago - the purchase of bonds by the US Federal Reserve).

Quote: hrych

If there is a struggle with the World hegemon

Grain and ammonia transactions, the supply of energy to the enemy - oil with overflow, through gaskets, gas through the territory of the Nazis with the payment of transit payments to them.
Remind me about the circus with the beginning of the NWO? With hundreds of thousands of combined troops (including the Russian Guard and FSB special forces) assembled from a pine forest and hastily mobilized (in 2-3 weeks) corps of our republics ... And until September, instead of normal mobilization, the circus statements of the Kremlin Mustache "There will be no mobilization! !" .
Is it he (the Kremlin) who is fighting "all the world's evil" like that?
Tank biathlon and international exercises in the Far East?
Collect 80 bayonets for show in the Far East at a time when our front in the Kharkov region was crumbling?
And the most important thing was not found at that moment, how to open the Devil's Wheel in Moscow?
This can only be compared with the shame of the Russo-Japanese War.
Everything is "As under Nicholas-2" (quote by Peskov).

Quote: hrych

If, as a result, thermonuclear weapons are used, including those capable of causing a tsunami, breaking the "lid" of a supervolcano, then this is a battle for the Earth.

Or maybe it was necessary to stock up on uniforms and equipment in the warehouses of the "small but modern Army" for 8 years for training, stock up in case of mobilization? Provide secure communication at the tactical level? Supply the Army with drones? Reconnaissance and shock? In sufficient quantity and acceptable quality?
How the lid of the volcano breaks there, we'll see. In the meantime, we see that the RF Armed Forces do not have long-range high-precision artillery ... But this (artillery) was considered just our strength and advantage. The enemy has up to two hundred guns with a range much higher than the range of our old Msta-S / SV ... not to mention the D-20 and even the D-1.
WHICH orbital "nuclear cruisers" ?? (although it would be useful to have such radars with nuclear power plants in LOW (400 - 600 km.) Orbits)

Quote: hrych

Those. for each answer, the pants are pissed,

So wash your pants and do not disgrace yourself with bravado.
So far, all the victories in this "battle for the Earth" come down to the fact that my city has been under fire for all 11 months of the NVO. The territory of the Russian Federation is under fire. The main base of the Long-Range Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces was hit several times ... with damage and casualties. And the war is now going on in Russia. At the same time, part of the new regions of the Russian Federation is under the occupation of the Nazis.
Is there a reason to be proud?
Or again about the "quantum generator"? ... In orbit? ... On ... high ... Yes, about Soviet galoshes, with which it is only possible to fight now?

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In short, neither the CER nor Arthur's base can be held when they are blocked by the enemy

How did a friend and ally turn into an enemy?
Is it because Khrushchev's gang killed Stalin, carried out anti-Stalinist purges in the government and all echelons of power, slandered and discredited his good name?
Recall Rokosovsky's words to Khrushchev on the proposal to "condemn Stalin as a victim of his arbitrariness"?
Remind??
I remind you: "For me, Comrade Stalin is a saint."
Therefore, for Mao, and for other Chinese comrades, the Khrushchev gang, which seized power in the USSR, were TRAITORS and revisionist Trotskyists. This is the reason for China's break with us.
And it was Khrushchev who pushed the Chinese into an alliance with the United States and England.

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The failure in Indonesia is precisely a consequence of the overthrow of Khrushchev,

This was the logical outcome of Khrushchev's FAILURE in Indonesia.

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It’s generally funny about Britain, the mandate ended in 1948 and the independence of Israel was immediately proclaimed.

Until the end of the mandate WHO nightmared the British occupiers in Palestine?
terrorist attacks.
At that time, there were only one terrorists in the world (official, international) ..... Jews. Under the strict guidance of Soviet intelligence.
And as soon as the British fled from Palestine, the USSR immediately recognized the state of Israel. And ensured its stability.
Who quarreled between the USSR and Israel? Who authorized the imitation of a terrorist attack in the lobby of the Soviet embassy??
Khrushchev!
Personally!

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Did Stalin, like, not know that Britain was going to voluntarily transfer the mandate to the League of Nations (later the UN)?

He (Stalin) contributed to this in every possible way.
And he sealed their departure with the recognition of Israel.
If Khrushchev had not happened in our history, if Stalin had lived for at least a few more years, the Soviet transferable ruble (pegged to gold) would have been the main currency in the world, for which the CMEA was created. And the Western countries would have been outcasts long ago. There would not have been a break between the USSR and China, which means that the United States simply would not have dared to poke its nose into Vietnam (we recall all the difficulties in supplying Vietnam by sea and through the already hostile territory of China). If the Afghan adventure (Andropov's sabotage) had not happened, India would most likely have chosen the path of Socialism (she changed her mind to "non-alignment" only after Khrushchev's coup and the foolishness that this pest began to do). Latin America convened in CMEA in full force and prepared for the transfer of foreign trade to transferable rubles. The communist parties of France and Italy were ready to take power into their own hands in their countries (and offered this to Moscow), and in the event of a war against the USSR, unleash a guerrilla war behind NATO lines.
Khrushch split the world socialist movement and discredited the USSR with his slander against Stalin. This is the illegitimate son of a Polish landowner, who was kept behind Faberge with compromising evidence (about the murder of Stalin) by British and American intelligence (that's why he was hysterical, that's why he spat with slander - in order to justify himself in case of exposure, they say they say "overthrew the tyrant").
Had Stalin lived for a few more years and replaced him with a worthy successor like-minded person, today we would have had a United Planetary Civilization long ago. And a single state. With the globe on the coat of arms framed by wheat ears.
And today, the Nazi troops are near Donetsk and Belgorod. And zombified Russian (former Soviet) people are fighting under their banners. Russians against Russians!
And now they will receive not only NATO tanks, but also aircraft and long-range missiles.
So what would be the release of their own land, and the rest of the planet ... the galaxy ... then. In dust , but then .
Then you can also put a nuclear cruiser into orbit ... First, at least turn the tide of the NWO.

[hrych]

In short, neither the CER nor Arthur's base can be held when they are blocked by the enemy. This is the environment. What does Indonesia have to do with it? It was after the removal of Khrushchev in 1965 that a coup took place there. And it was under Khrushchev that they threatened the Strait of Malacca, one of the most important points, like Suez, Panama, Gibraltar, etc. The failure in Indonesia was precisely the consequence of the overthrow of Khrushchev, like the complete loss of the PRC. The Zionists immediately divorced Stalin. It’s generally funny about Britain, the mandate ended in 1948 and the independence of Israel was immediately proclaimed. Did Stalin, like, not know that Britain was going to voluntarily transfer the mandate to the League of Nations (later the UN)?

[Stena]

Salute, Hrych!
About all the rulers of the USSR - I agree completely. There are no saints and no Russophiles. As well as EBN - "shame on the family." You write from the point of view of the Russian people, and bayard - of the Soviet people, perhaps not fully understanding that without the Russian there would be no Soviet. But without the Soviet, there would be Russian (if the Empire had survived).
What do you think - when will the hot confrontation AUKUS - China begin in the Asia-Pacific region (war and plunder of China)?
I think in the next 1,5 - 3 years. Further - only with nuclear weapons. And here there is a chance to involve India in AUKUS and resolve the issue without nuclear weapons.
And the most likely scenario for a limited NATO is Russia?
I suppose there will be another mobilization in the Hochland - when the Euro-Ukrainians will be driven back from Europe. Then - only Europeans (including their equipment). Moreover, they need to transfer everything to military needs - this, according to my feelings, is from 1 to 2 years.
Well, either a cardinal option - the whole world is in ruins.
Our strategy - wait and see - when the resources of the West will no longer be enough for such extended theaters of war.
PS I hope ours will not go to liberate Europe - they will simply impose an indemnity.

[hrych]

Salut! India is the pain of the imperialists, does not collude with them. They will receive a gas pipeline from Russia through Afghanistan and over time will surpass the PRC. The PRC itself is being cleared of pro-American Komsomol members and will be more stable. The West is too tough for him, especially when Europe is stuck with Russia and there is no way to win. In Ukraine, veterans of the ATO and stubborn, ideological veterans were killed. This is a disaster, they surpassed our unfired ones both in experience and motivation. Now it's the other way around. Ours have learned to fight, and their recruits, who are caught in chicken coops, have zero motivation. Mobs learn from us, etc., and they quickly throw them into hell. We have in reserve the destruction of bridges, there is a nuclear club. We are stronger, they are weaker. The prognosis is favorable. I don’t know about the timing, time works for us and there is nowhere to rush.

[Stena]

India is the pain of the imperialists, does not collude with them. They will receive a gas pipeline from Russia through Afghanistan and over time will surpass the PRC. The PRC itself is being cleared of pro-American Komsomol members and will be more stable. The West is too tough for him, especially when Europe is stuck with Russia and there is no way to win.

This option is not favorable for us - then all forces will be thrown against us. So there was a chance that Europe, as usual, would be thrown into a confrontation with the Russian, and all the forces in the Asia-Pacific region themselves would be against the Jinpingists.
And so it turns out - to pull two wars at the same time from the Anglo-Saxons - there will not be enough resources, therefore all the resources are either a confrontation with China or against us.
But it is easier with China - there is vulnerability in the territorial distribution of production, human and food potential during nuclear strikes.
And if China is not plundered, then only Russia and India remain.
Africa - a high probability of getting out of neo-colonialism in the short term.
NATO in the event of a defeat from the Russian Federation is the loss of Europe.
Well - or the transformation into a third world country.
And if you do not touch the Jinpingists, then the loss of the Asia-Pacific region.

Quote: hrych

We are stronger, they are weaker.

Right. Therefore, as with a cornered person - everything is in the last battle, including thermonuclear weapons - from the heading: not for me - so for no one.
We need a different scenario.
"We will prepare, we will wait" - S.

[hrych]

There is no need to use nuclear weapons here if the NATO hordes do not trample at once. One high-altitude nuclear explosion is enough to burn down all the microcircuits in Ukraine, including smartphones, TVs, cars, computers, as well as Hymers, Javelins, Stingers, Leopards, S-300s, Beiraktars, etc. The truth will still knock out satellites, including ours, but nothing, we will survive, the main thing is to calculate so that they themselves do not suffer, but let Poland be hooked, bang in space over Galicia, in short. And that's enough, the territory of the Stone Age and the complete absence of the ability to resist, especially when our heavy bombers with carpet bombing go after that. If you read Wiki, then according to the Chinese plan for the return of Taiwan, the Chinese do not hide the fact that the start of the operation begins with a high-altitude explosion, air defense and anti-aircraft defense systems fly out from EMP, after which the air operation, and after the landing and that's all ... Therefore, the direct use of nuclear weapons on there is no need for cities and concentrations of soldiers.

[Stena]

Quote: hrych

There is no need to use nuclear weapons if the NATO hordes do not trample at once.

I'm talking about something else - that for the Anglo-Saxons, the transition to the category of third countries is death. For there are many debts in the blood.
Therefore, in the event of a losing situation for them, they can apply the "last argument" in the form of nuclear weapons.
"But the world is alive as long as there is at least one righteous person" - S.
And about everything else - you write very competently - my admiration!
But everything is according to the Holy Gospel: “Every kingdom divided against itself will become empty; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand” - this is about the confrontation: China-USSR. One thing is strange - why did the graduate of the seminary suddenly forget about it.

[hrych]

The Anglo-Saxons will never move into the category of third countries, they simply will not be the first. Those. You can continue to live well, with a just world. Suicide is not part of their plan. Moreover, they will continue to have the opportunity to take everything under control, repeat the work of secret societies, etc.

[Stena]

Quote: hrych

The Anglo-Saxons will never move into the category of third countries, they simply will not be the first

If the scenario is completely negative for the Anglo-Saxons, then:
the problem is the lack of necessary resources in the energy sector (in the form of MOX and other power plants) when creating closed economic systems - you can take technology from the French or Japs (but they have low (compared to us) processing efficiency and reliability) or from us (Russians - but we ourselves will not give it back - if only to steal it).
The Anglo-Saxons have similar problems in food security and space.
If you do not maintain dominance in the world, and even better - plunder Russia again, then you will not have your own ideas on space and the atom. Although here I am not entirely correct - in space - you can pull a nuclear reactor into orbit - but you need a ship with high-power engines while maintaining acceptable reliability. And here is the difficulty. Plus a large number of former colonies with a large number of people unhappy due to the actions of the Anglo-Saxons to a state of great thirst to return "debts with interest." To maintain a large, modern, serious army in the absence of sufficient resource potential and reliable prospects for the development of the army (and not just some of its separate parts, for example, in the form of aviation or drones), but on the whole transfers to the category of second countries, and in the future maintaining these trends - and to third countries.
I agree - a scenario that is relatively good for everyone is possible, as you briefly described.
Do you still think the probability of a global nuclear war is negligible?
And what do you think - will our "Parises" go again to "look" or will we still limit ourselves to the "land channel" to Transnistria?

[hrych]

I think defiantly we have to bang. If not in a deserted place, then to get EMP, to burn down all enemy electronics. And then they will not stand it, they will rot. Plus, they are limited in time, by 2025 they have a showdown with China based on insiders. So they are in a hurry, but it does not work to break us.

[Stena]

Quote: hrych

Plus, they are limited in time, by 2025 they have a showdown with China based on insiders. So they are in a hurry, but it does not work to break us.

Only, I suspect that before 2025.
And before the start of a showdown with China, they urgently need to keep us busy with something. Better yet, get a non-interference guarantee from us.
And if we start using nuclear weapons, then the number of Euro-Cro-Magnons does not play a role and it’s impossible to restrain us - therefore, they either won’t climb in the quantities necessary to solve X on our part, or they need to do everything even faster - that is, until 2025 (and then we will crush everyone).
Or all this is one continuous misinformation on the part of the Anglo-Saxons - both about China and about the timing.

[hrych]

There, in addition to the chatter of the American general, there are also actions. AUCUS and Japan are allowed to raise an army. There are programs about chips, the return of jobs, etc. Russia will be invited (after the elections, by the Republicans) to join the blockade of the PRC, perhaps Ukraine will be merged with us for this.

[Stena]

Quote: hrych

There, in addition to the chatter of the American general, there are also actions. AUCUS and Japan are allowed to raise an army. There are programs about chips, the return of jobs, etc.

That's it. But after all, this can also be used against Russia - with the restriction of maritime trade. Moreover, as a possible industrial rear.

Quote: hrych

Russia will be invited (after the elections, by the Republicans) to join the blockade of the PRC, perhaps Ukraine will be merged with us for this.

This is the logical action of the Anglo-Saxons.
And also at the same time: China can very quickly (less than 1 year) lose its entire trade network in the Asia-Pacific region (control of resources and income) during anti-Chinese uprisings in these territories. The problems of the Anglo-Saxons is that the supply of China also comes from Iran and the Russian Federation. And here it is difficult to peacefully agree on the termination of such supplies. Therefore, the Anglo-Saxons need additional resources to neutralize Iran and the Russian Federation in an extremely limited period of time. And they have resources - they won’t be able to play for a long time.
And we need it?
The mechanism of getting rid of the current world currency has been launched (trading in national currencies), plus the rejection of the London fixing plus the determination of prices on the St. Petersburg and Moscow stock exchanges - for prod. resources.
The territories temporarily occupied by the Ukrainians are an additional weight on the neck of the Anglo-Saxons. In addition to attempts to neutralize Iran, China, etc. (Venezuela, Cuba, etc.).
We must continue to stick to our line.
At the same time, the Second Baptism of Rus' is urgently needed - otherwise we will not survive.

[hrych]

Russia is a self-sufficient country that provides itself with both food and minerals, especially hydrocarbons. Therefore, the blockade is not terrible for us, unless the trade in these resources, which are in abundance, can be blocked. But a shot in the foot is our withdrawal from the world market, which means that there is a shortage of products and raw materials for the West itself. Which, like the PRC, is completely dependent on supplies. We already tried it, by the way, and sang Lazarus. I think with the departure of the dollar, the exchange will go to hell, and most banks and other credit institutions will follow it. Here, countries in national currencies will determine the prices of goods on a bilateral basis, through negotiations at a high level, and politicians, not traders and bankers. Contracts will be long-term with fixed prices and the national currencies themselves will not jump depending on the exchange rate of the national currency against the dollar. A kind of stable world, without economic upheavals, as in the days of Empires more than a century ago, where foreign trade is in national currencies, but in fact in gold and silver. Those. gold and silver ruble (chervonets), gold and silver franc with pound (sovereign), yuan and even dollar. Still silver. Well, ducats, doubloons, dinars, etc. The Second Epiphany has already taken place after the collapse of the Union and a millennium after the First. It remains to believe for real, but taking into account the achievements of science, so that there are no contradictions. So that science does not reject Christianity and the Church does not fight science. And a just peace will come ... true, when interest-bearers and speculators are killed.

[Stena]

Quote: hrych

I think with the departure of the dollar, the exchange will go to hell, and most banks and other credit institutions will follow it. Here, countries in national currencies will determine the prices of goods on a bilateral basis, through negotiations at a high level, and politicians, not traders and bankers.

Perhaps, but a mechanism is needed that would allow equalizing the cost of money and the cost of goods produced (the logic of I. Fisher) and plus a technical mechanism for settlements between countries and / or within the country in order to avoid inflationary waves when changing production volumes and money supply.

Quote: hrych

A kind of stable world, without economic upheavals, as in the days of Empires more than a century ago, where foreign trade is in national currencies, but in fact in gold and silver.

Reasonable, but there is a difficulty - what about countries without gold reserves (of which, in fact, the majority)? Solutions: either some international bank (which is not ice), or - in debt (which was in the USSR, another world), or barter (which is possible if you make a world intersectoral balance).

Quote: hrych

The second Baptism has already taken place after the collapse of the Union and a millennium after the First. It remains to believe for real, but taking into account the achievements of science, so that there are no contradictions. So that science does not reject Christianity and the Church does not fight science. And a just peace will come ... true, when interest-bearers and speculators are killed.

Not. I don't agree here at all. Just an example (from practice). City population - about 75 thousand people. Orthodox churches: 5 and sixth - a chapel in the cemetery. Average weekend attendance (liturgy - full service) - from 100 to 500 people. Total interval: from 500 to 2 people. These are: from 500 to 0,6% of the city's population. This is the percentage of Orthodox. It is clear that one can argue about the representativeness of the sample, etc., but the fact is a meager percentage of Orthodox.

[MONEY]

Provide strong evidence!! I think you understand what?

[hrych]

These are well-known facts and nothing more, unless Soviet and liberal historians deliberately keep silent, although there are no secrets. And the layman simply does not want to think.

[MONEY]

Documents on the table!!! And not loud statements and accusations?? Research materials? Archival data?? Interviews of witnesses, participants?? Can you document your conjectures?? there are still a lot of people who think, and think critically. Evidence, please!

[hrych]

Do you doubt that Manchukuo was captured by our army? Do you doubt that we defeated the Kwantung Army? Do you doubt that the Kwantungs butchered the Chinese to a nut? Do you doubt that Emperor Pu Yi was captured by our paratroopers? Do you doubt that in the end, Stalin gave this huge state to the PRC? If there is no doubt about this, then what evidence do you still need? For your information. In 1948, the Manchurian delegation "suddenly" voiced a request to the Kremlin - to accept Manchuria as the 17th fraternal republic in the USSR. But Comrade Stalin decided that the Russians would not fight for the world revolution (see Harriman's memoirs), but an oriental person of a more suitable type created the Red Empire, so he also built reactors for them, but which was sold to the capitalists and rushed to bite the owner. Far-sighted your Stalin? In fact, I didn’t see beyond the nose with the mustache. The Zionists deceived, Mao deceived, the US deceived, Tito sent. How to call this, which everyone breeds? Come up with a name.

[bayard]

Quote: hrych

Do you doubt that Manchukuo was captured by our army?

Captured.

Quote: hrych

Do you doubt that we defeated the Kwantung Army?

Defeated.

Quote: hrych

Do you doubt that Emperor Pu Yi was captured by our paratroopers?

Yes, there most of the Kwantung Army was captured.

Quote: hrych

Do you doubt that in the end, Stalin gave this huge state to the PRC?

What does donate mean?
Although you can say so. But this is precisely the territory of China, captured by Japan as a result of the loss by Nikolai-2, RYAV. And expanded during subsequent Japanese conquests. And China has been waging an armed struggle for the liberation of its lands all these years.
So you are proposing to annex these Chinese lands?
And make the Chinese your enemies back then?
And throw them even then into the clutches of the Americans and the British?
Are you out of your mind?
Actually, at that time (1945), China was headed by Chiang Kai-shek - our ally in the war with Japan. And Mao controlled a limited enclave and did not particularly fight the Japanese.
But when Chiang Kai-shek decided (after the war) to make an alliance with the United States with all the consequences for us ... we supported Mao by handing over the captured weapons of the Kwantung Army to them ... and Mao Zedong's party seized power in China. Do you remember what year?
It was then that the territories of Manzhou Guo controlled by our troops were transferred to him.
But!
At the same time, Stalin returned the USSR to the USSR the extraterritorial right of the USSR to the CER (with the adjacent territory, still under the tsarist treaty), Port Arthur and the Kwantung Peninsula / fortified area.
Like this .
And China then became our reliable and very active ally. Let me remind you only about the war in Korea, where the role of China is difficult to overestimate. And the war in Korea began only a year after the victory of the Communists in China.
Yes, the Fleet of the Land of the Soviets (real, oceanic) was just being built then, but the bases are comfortable, non-freezing, with convenient access to the sea and ocean, not like from Vladivostok.
And the CER, which not only ensured a reliable supply of our esclave in Kwantung, but also provided much more convenient logistics for our Primorye and Vladivostok.
By creating the Warsaw Pact in the west and gaining an ally like China (and North Korea) in the east, the Soviet Union created a force irresistible to the US and NATO. But our new allies had to be further strengthened economically, intertwined with industrial cooperation, and in China and Korea it is so easy to industrialize.
And everything that happened after Stalin's death was a consequence of his death. And the cause of the atrocities and stupidity of his killers.

[hrych]

It's amazing, what happiness, to give up all of Manchuria and use the road and the port. Brilliant. With regards to history, the imperial house was Manchu and it was not Manchuria that belonged to China, but China of Manchuria It's like giving Trinidad and Tobago England, because. was part of the empire after all, conquered by the colony. After the collapse of not the Chinese empire, as the proletarian textbooks say, but the Qing Empire, colonies fell off it and to recreate the empire already in the form of a Bolshevik state, and even add Tibet to it, which is the reason for the quarrel with the most important India, is very strange. The war in Korea, but nothing that there were UN troops and Stalin did not use the right of Veto, the permanent representative did not appear at the meeting. This is the beginning insanity of an elderly, heavily drinking man who dreamed of a world revolution. And the Maoists dreamed of capturing Korea, and not at all because of proletarian ideals. For several years after the war, they actually occupied the DPRK until Khrushchev kicked them out. And the Maoists have never been staunch allies.

[bayard]

Quote: hrych

It's amazing, what happiness, to give up all of Manchuria and use the road and the port

Quote: hrych

With regards to history, the imperial house was Manchu and it was not Manchuria that belonged to China, but China of Manchuria

Horses mixed in a bunch, people ...
How strong was the Manchu dynasty in China?
How popular is it with the people?
And I repeat the question - do you propose to capture Manchuria, the Kwantung region and East Turkestan? And to oppose the whole of China? Push him into the arms of the US and England?
Yes or no ?
Stalin relied on Chiang Kai-shek in relations with China, but he did not trust Mao and saw his quirks.
But Chiang Kai-shek hesitated between the US and the USSR all the time, and in the end chose an alliance with the US.
What would you do in this case?
If the US has a nuclear bomb, countless strategic air forces and a monstrously huge navy?
And we have a connection with the Far East on the Trans-Siberian Railway alone.
Any thoughts?
We had to leave Iran at about the same time - under the direct threat of a nuclear strike against us if we do not do this. Have you heard about it? And our RDS-1 had not yet exploded then.
So Stalin, who by that time (during the war) had suffered two or three heart attacks, found the right and only right decision - to give the captured weapons of the Kwantung Army to the communists of Mao, and ensured that victory ... for which Mao otherwise had no chance .
And now one more question - what was Mao's nationality? And what was his party fighting for?
The answer is the Chinese, for a united China. And for the expulsion of the occupiers' Western colonists.
And how could Stalin strengthen the authority of Mao among all the Chinese, exhausted by such a long war, political and economic disorder?
That's right - to help Mao unite most of China, transferring control of Manchuria to him and leaving thoughts about even royal plans for East Turkestan.
And in an instant we got ourselves an ally of such numbers and importance that in an instant we equalized forces against the USA and NATO in the impending war.
Let me remind you that then everyone lived in anticipation of this war from day to day. Until the USSR had nuclear weapons. Stalin had to maneuver - he left the most powerful grouping of troops in Europe, did not disband the mobilized and battle-hardened Army (from 11 to 15 million bayonets), deployed an airborne army in Chukotka (creating a threat to American Alaska), an air fleet of many thousands was built at a crazy pace Strategic Aviation, created the state of Israel - all to disperse the forces and attention of the enemy, until our scientists give birth to RDS-1.
And just then - having lost northern Iran, having left from there accepting an ultimatum, the USSR in one fell swoop leveled the general alignment of forces, adding China as an ally. And in this situation, the United States no longer decided ... they still had too few nuclear bombs ... and China could put up (regardless of quality) a multimillion-strong army ... and, together with the USSR, sweep the British, the USA and other Europeans out of the whole continental Asia.
Do you even realize this?

Quote: hrych

Yes, and add Tibet to it,

Do you even remember the circumstances of that brilliant decision?
Tibet was then an independent state ... but under the strong influence of England, and then the United States. And this is a plus for BRITISH India (then included Pakistan) and Afghanistan controlled by British intelligence. With us, even without Tibet, the southern front line was too long.
What did Stalin do then?
ASKED Comrade Mao ... to put things in order in Tibet and annex him. And meanwhile he took up the support of progressive Indian revolutionaries and fighters for independence. And the British in India became ... sick. The way the Indians squeezed the British out of their country is unprecedented! By non-violent methods ... boycott of all English ... non-cooperation with the occupiers ... It was simply a masterpiece.
And?
And the British in India ... are gone.
True, India itself broke up into two parts, which are still at war to this day ... But this is already the revenge of the British - goodbye.
And it has become calmer on our southern borders.
India became a friendly country, and although due to Khrushchev's foolishness, it did not follow the path of socialism ... to this day, a country friendly to us.
We also bowed Afghanistan to our side. And as one of my acquaintances, a specialist in Central Asia (general), said: "Since the beginning of the 60s, I have been walking around Afghanistan as one of our Central Asian republics - the attitude was so good, such help came from the USSR" ... and with their monarch the relationship was wonderful ... he was friends with the son of the latter for a long time, even though he lived in Europe, in migration.
This is how the issues were resolved. Very difficult questions.
"Mummly" is definitely not under the force.

Quote: hrych

And the Maoists dreamed of capturing Korea,

Mao dreamed of his wife's advice. And she was from the Haven community. If you understand what that means.
Mao dreamed of dominating all of Southeast Asia, if not all of Asia. And he offered Khrushchev to divide the world in this way ... in their last conversation.
Stalin did not want to bet on Mao at all, but in that situation it was the only possible way to put an end to the influence of the USA and England in China. The consequence was the expulsion of the British from almost all of Asia and the liberation of India. And Mao come and go - that's what Stalin thought. And so it would have become if not for Khrushch's gang.

Quote: hrych

And the Maoists have never been staunch allies.

There were quite decent people among the leadership of the Chinese Communists, but Mao cleared them out after the assassination of Stalin by the conspirators and the break with Khrushchev.

Quote: hrych

This is the beginning insanity of an elderly, heavily drinking man who dreamed of a world revolution.

Stalin never "dreamed of a World Revolution". Trotsky and Co., Lenin dreamed of her ... and Stalin proclaimed the Program for the construction of Socialism in a single country.
Did not hear ?
And this took place in history lessons in the USSR.
And he dissolved the Comintern in the late 30s ... you know why?
I think you know.
And he revived it only with the beginning of the war for the sake of intelligence needs - as a tool for recruiting motivated agents.

[flicker]

do you propose to annex these Chinese lands?
And make the Chinese your enemies back then?

But there is another side to this question: if the population of China became part of the USSR, then as a result of democratic elections, who would be at the head of the USSR?
Would Russia exist now, or would there be a Greater China?

[hrych]

We are talking about Manchuria and Meijiang, which is inner Mongolia. Then there were 2 million Manchus. If Stalin had not been obsessed with the world revolution and his personal god-like primacy, he would not have created a huge empire. If he cared about his people (how can the Russian people be their national people?), then he would have made either a Soviet republic within the Union or outside it, like the same Mongolia - a people's republic. The Turkestan People's Republic, the Manchurian People's Republic, etc. If you don't want to be in one state, make a protectorate, no, this one raised a monster that sold out to the West and rushed at the creator. Actually, the deposition of the PRC determined the collapse of the USSR. The communist bloc collapsed and began to fight each other. Where is the foresight? Yes, it smells of mental retardation. Britain divided its vassals, divided and ruled, and pumped out resources. And this one divided itself, but grew a single monster. The same Mongolia is now a protective buffer.

[bayard]

Quote: hrych

The Turkestan People's Republic, the Manchurian People's Republic, etc. If you don't want to be in one state, make a protectorate, no, this one raised a monster that sold out to the West and rushed at the creator.

Cleverly thought out.
But let's imagine that Stalin listened to your advice and did just that ... And what would we get?
And they would have received the following - in 1949, China, with all its remaining array, completely goes under the control and in the sphere of influence of the United States. Led by Chiang Kai-shek. And Mao can no longer be set against him - we become the same enemy for him as Japan used to be.
But that's not all .
Tibet also comes under the full control of the US and England.
Further south we have British India (including Pakistan) and Afghanistan controlled by its intelligence.
Iran is also under the complete control of the US and England ... Turkey becomes a member of NATO ...
The beauty ?
And the USSR finds itself in a dense ring of enemies along the entire perimeter of its borders. In South Korea and Japan, their occupation troops, airfields, fleet bases ...
Like ?
And Stalin, with his decision to bet on Mao, broke these "anaconda rings". And went on a strategic offensive. Seeing the example of China, the Indian liberation movement begins. And England flies out of India and Afghanistan like a champagne cork! Following the example of China and India, Indonesia is throwing off the colonial yoke ...
Stalin creates the CMEA and prepares a new monetary union - for free trade of partner countries for a transferable Soviet ruble with gold backing ... It was for this that the conspirators led by the English agent Khrushchev killed Stalin. Stalin knew from the Red Chapel that the British had an extremely valuable agent in the Soviet Politburo, but who it was ... did not have time to reveal. Khrushchev very deftly mowed down under DуR @ chka with a rural mentality.

Quote: hrych

The communist bloc collapsed and began to fight each other.

And when did it start?
Isn't it after Stalin was killed and his followers removed from power? After China accused Trotskyist Khrushchev of betraying the ideas of Communism and Stalin's precepts?
And Albania then broke with the USSR.
So WHO is responsible for the split in the camp of the socialist states and in the world communist movement?
Who is to blame for the fact that after the 20th Congress many communist parties ... cooled off towards the USSR or broke with it altogether?
Khrushch!!

Quote: hrych

Yes, it smells of mental retardation.

And you take Phezam, it should help.

Quote: hrych

Britain divided its vassals, divided and ruled, and pumped out resources.

Would you like the USSR to act like England?
And how would we differ from them then?
How would we be more attractive?
On what did the authority of the USSR rest at all? Especially during that period?
With his cunning, sabotage disguised as stupidity, Khrushchev just DID everything in order to destroy the System of Socialism built by Stalin.
And he succeeded in it. In many ways, but not in everything.

Betting on Mao was a risk, but justified in those conditions. But it was Khrushchev who turned China towards the USA and England. This "Gorbachev" of his time masked his dirty tricks with deliberate and ostentatious "stupidity". But all his "stupidity" was to the detriment and weakening of the state. Just carefully analyze his activities as head of state.

[hrych]

What about Manchuria and the defeat of Chenkaishi by the Maoists? PRC without Uyguria and Manchuria for God's sake, build socialism. Khrushchev only stopped blaming Mao for the insatiable hail, did not want to recognize him as the leader of the world communist movement and stopped the transfer of nuclear technology. Everything. If Mao wanted to be the mistress of the sea, and the fish to serve on parcels, what would you do? That Mao is an outright psycho, no one doubts, and this one demands a nuclear bomb. An extremely balanced decision, don't give it to him. By the threat of nuclear weapons, Khrushchev actually controlled this "genius", only after the coup of the agents of the globalists led by Brezhnev, Mao was given to the West, which presented him with nuclear weapons. Further, it was Brezhnev who allowed the PRC to become permanent members of the Security Council. How does it not dawn on you that Stalin was carrying out the program of the new order? How does it not dawn on you that Khrushchev confused the plans? And how do you not understand that the Brezhnev clique returned to the fold and continued to create the New World Order? Stalin is a participant in the creation of a single currency and, therefore, an economy of order. Stalin - the creator of the UN, as the creation of a single world government. Stalin is the creator of Israel, as the prophecies say. And then Brezhnev finished everything. The USSR made it a raw-material appendage of the world order, allowed the world currency to be untied from gold. Those. finally adopted a single world currency order. Before that, there was gold and the dollar passed the stage of its equivalent. Brezhnev, with all sorts of SALT-I (1972) and SALT-II (1979), essentially subordinated the nuclear potential to the world order. And the world order commands not only the West, but also the rest, did Brzezinski proclaim: “A new world order under US hegemony is being created against Russia, at the expense of Russia and on the ruins of Russia.” Trotsky called the Russian people "the firewood of the world revolution." Stalin, Brezhnev and Gorbachev are the ones who embodied all this. Money, the UN and more. Khrushchev, Yeltsin and Putin tried to interfere. If these obvious things from the servants of the Antichrist and his accession are not yet clear to you, then it is a pity. Stalin blew up the Cathedral of Christ the Savior and thousands of churches and destroyed 85% of the priests. Khrushchev is not a Russian patriot, he simply believed in communism. Stalin believed in World Order and World Revolution for him.

[hrych]

That Stalin is a heavy drinker, no one except you doubts. Stalin is a heavy smoker and was already in old age. The presence of age-related changes in him, you who believe in his eternity and infinity, but weakness and insanity think differently. In recent years, Stalin abruptly surrendered, and so the person, not burdened with a conscience about massacres, completely leaked. He was just dumb and weird. This is not a subject of discussion, but a diagnosis. Old age and bad habits. Hence the stroke.

[werwolf1981]

A juvenile idiot 50 years old hang yourself on a clothesline

[YOUR]

Great mighty Russian language -

Quote from: wervolf1981

a piece hang yourself on a clothesline

Hang yourself. Eh EGE, EGE what have you done.

[Vlvl]

Lord, what a mess in your head. Did you teach history at the Lviv school? Or according to Soros? Nothing personal. The question is rhetorical.

[Grancer81]

I’m not a Stalinist ... I feel sorry for the state .... But with shouts of “For the Motherland! For Stalin!” the political officers rose, and the rest of the soldiers and officers with cursing .... At least not one of those front-line soldiers whom I asked in a personal conversation how they went on the attack, I didn’t talk about slogans ...

[vadimtt]

My grandfather, having gone through the penal battalion twice, would have strangled you all, together with Hrych, instantly for everything that you wrote, hacks. If you don’t know, don’t write, you won’t be smarter, so at least don’t spoil your karma.

[hrych]

They got into the penal battalion for a reason, but for military and criminal offenses. The main category of Red Army soldiers went there for their cowardice. Criminals were sent there for minor and moderate crimes, the vast majority for theft. You should not judge by liberal films, in reality, cowards and thieves with an escort behind their backs. And the myth that the penal units were sent to hell. There were even penalty boxes in the spare and rear units. Ordinary men were cut to death, not cowards and thieves. Penalty was only 1%.

[vadimtt]

My grandfather was in the war from September 41st to January 45th, did not reach Berlin due to a severe wound while crossing the Oder (besides this, he had two more wounds and four shell shocks). Most of the time he served in the security company of the army headquarters (at Rokosovsky). He and his department were often chased for languages, and unfortunately the grandfather was weak for alcohol and after each successful task he got drunk. And twice for this business he left "to wash away the shame with blood." Washed off, which is typical, and returned to the former part, with the restoration of awards and titles.
So it’s not for Mr. Hrych to talk about liberal films here. It was enough for me to read my grandfather's award lists.

[hrych]

Khrych's ancestors also fought successfully, not a single Vadim's ancestors fought, but all citizens. Therefore, you should not trump. With regards to alcoholics, there is a lot of harm from them even in peacetime. Not the essence, I have not seen the documents, the decisions of the tribunal, too, I do not believe in a word. We have freedom of speech and I have the right to my opinion on every historical figure, including Stalin and the crimes of the regime, especially since we now do not have the dictates of communist ideology. Therefore, do not scare your grandfather, but prove with arguments and facts that Stalin was not the creator of today's Ukraine, to which he surrounded Galicia, Transcarpathia, etc. He did not cut off pieces from the RSFSR and created Kazakhstan. He did not give the Chinese Manchukuo, captured by the blood of a Russian soldier, he did not give Uighuria (East Turkestan). As a result, he did not create a hostile Israel, etc. If he is not able to give a true assessment of all this, then it is sad. Keep shouting For Stalin.

[vadimtt]

So you insinuate it, so you have to trump.
If I needed to be believed, I would provide documents. But in this format I do not see the point. I have the same opinion on Stalin's legacy, which is different from my grandfather, by the way, and even more so from yours.

[zenion]

You, bastard, run into rudeness. You try to offend everything. You come to the site, you hiss here. V. Vysotsky. (Almost).

[hrych]

I am not a fan of Vysotsky's songs, he has hearing problems, and he does not play the out-of-tune guitar, but strums. Be touched by his creativity without me. I am a fan of Wagner and Mussorgsky. So take your Stalin, your Vysotsky and go in peace

[isv000]

Quote: Corona without virus

And so everything is in business - it seems that the SVO is on, and the money is dripping to us

And where to throw off the bill, so that I would also drip?!

[telobezumnoe]

there is a feeling that the entire compilation of the TV has been assembled to date, you can not watch for a couple more months))

[neland]

I wanted to put a minus on the crown, but there is no site rule

[tihonmarine]

Quote: K._2

Why is an armored plant still operating in Nikolaev and why has it not been wiped off the face of the earth? "Abramovich" belongs?

No, of course, it does not belong to Abramovich. But the company YuGOK ("Southern Mining and Processing Plant" in Krivoy Rog) is exactly the same case. Here, Metinvest's campaign is led by Roman Abramovich's EVRAZ, which is also the holder of a near-controlling stake.

[Grancer81]

The topic is of course very interesting .... Metal from our ZSMK, which belongs to Evraz, goes to the USA and Europe, shells are cast from it, which kill Russian soldiers .... The cycle of dough in nature ...

[alexandre II]

This is more of a cycle of betrayal and not dough ...

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: K._2

I have a question. Why is an armored plant still functioning in Nikolaev and why has it not been wiped off the face of the earth? "Abramovich" belongs? I knew it.

Then the question arises: why is Obramovich still functioning?

[Vincent price]

because he is the flesh and blood of the current government, there will be no Abramovich and there will be no other power

[Ka-52]

one threw a stuffing about the belonging of the Nikolaev plant to Abramovich and the trolls have already suffered how magpies produce this stuffing

[Gory]

Maybe Abramsomovich? .. The type is still the same (

[topol717]

Quote: K._2

"Abramovich" belongs? I knew it.

When you write something, at least think a little.
Abramovich armored plant??? I would understand an oil terminal, or a gold mine, but an armored plant in Ukraine. ))) I wonder what kind of profit it can actually generate????

[Chronos]

Quote: K._2

I have a question. Why is an armored plant still functioning in Nikolaev and why has it not been wiped off the face of the earth? "Abramovich" belongs? I knew it.

Everything is more prosaic. The plant was hit several times and most likely they reported about the destruction.

[Pol]

And where did you get the information that "an armored plant is still functioning in Nikolaev"?

[skeptic]

Quote: K._2

Why is an armored plant still functioning in Nikolaev and why has it not been wiped off the face of the earth?

If you remember, there was a period when the Ukrainians boasted that their models, a lot of Russian missiles, were nullified. Who told you that these are not mock-ups, they were brought to a non-functioning plant to ensure the safety of future deliveries (as they hope)?

[Artem Prokhorov]

Do you want to say in vain that Ukrainians squeezed industry from our business through the SBU? Would she be protected now?

[dmi.pris1]

With all due respect to Semyon Pegov, unverified rumors often slip through his channel

[Sebostyuan]

Abrams and Korean Black Panthers in Donbas back in 14-15 "Were seen." Leopards on the offensive near Kherson. Destroyed "Bradley" 4pcs. Konashenko has already written to the account.
Trust but check.

[Toorik]

It's not the first time Vargonzo has run ahead of the locomotive...

[YanniKounnar]

Pourquoi passer par Istanbul ? Vous pouvez les livrer via le Danube sur n'importe que péniche.
(si vous ne voulez pas les livrer par voie terrestre, train ou camion, la péniche est plus discrète)

yandex

Why go through Istanbul? You can deliver them across the Danube on any barge.
(if you don't want to deliver them by land, train or truck, the houseboat is more inconspicuous)

[tihonmarine]

Quote from Yanni Kounnar

Pourquoi passer par Istanbul ? Vous pouvez les livrer via le Danube sur n'importe que péniche.

Fondamental naturel.

[AdinRoman]

A very possible option. I personally observed Romanian barges in the ports of Deggendorf and Passau, in the first there is even a MAN dock ...

[tihonmarine]

According to military correspondents on the WarGonzo TG channel, citing their sources, Leopard 2s were allegedly seen in Nikolaev and were probably transported at the facilities of the local armored plant.

As far as I remember how:
On the night of September 19, 2022, 17:17, a blow was finally dealt to the Nikolaev armored plant. So far, Ukrainian resources have not yet published any confirming footage, but our sources on the ground report that “the explosion threw the wreckage of armored personnel carriers right onto the rails.”
This refers to the tram tracks running two hundred meters south of the main workshop on Kuznechnaya Street (formerly Skorokhodova). If the detonation force was really so strong that the debris flew 200 meters away, then we can state that the Nikolaev Armored Plant ceased to exist.

[Aviator_]

I remember this photo. Indeed, then the plant was well gouged. Leopards in Nikolaev - most likely an Internet stuffing.

[AdinRoman]

Possibly a throw. But the trouble-free movement of military trains along Skakuasia and unloading 50 kilometers from the front line is a fact. They generally should not go further than Kuev. They also probably carry to Odessa, as it is the closest and most convenient.

[Grancer81]

And why was the blow not on February 24.02.2022, XNUMX? In fact, they hit such objects on the very first day ....

[evgen1221]

And why couldn’t the Poles themselves give a couple to test and test the applicability of these tanks? They very much can and with pleasure. NATO PMCs and the CIA, too, have not been canceled - they are generally on their own minds, and everyone is also not averse to checking in practice. And it is also easy to drive with a tanker and an auto transporter.

[Adrey]

Quote: evgen1221

And why couldn’t the Poles themselves give a couple to test and test the applicability of these tanks?

Yes. A pair of "Tigers" near Leningrad in the winter of 1942-43.
Doubtful. The technique is not experimental, and a couple of units will not make any "weather".

[tralflot1832]

I would like to know how Leopards can get to Odessa by sea?

[sergo1914]

Quote: tralflot1832

I would like to know how Leopards can get to Odessa by sea?

Along the bottom

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Yes. By the bottom. The Black Sea was dug up by the Ukrainians. They've already told everyone about it. And when they were digging, previously, under the bottom of the sea, they dug tunnels for the passage of tanks,, leopard,,)

[Aviator_]

I would like to know how Leopards can get to Odessa by sea?

Can't they go down the Danube? And then - a small coastal swimming.

[Grancer81]

They sailed in the breaststroke style .... Nobody prevents them from being delivered through Turkey ...

[alexander 66]

Nikolaev, repair a shipbuilding plant, I don’t want sea equipment, places to bury the ocean. So there is where to repair, there a nuclear strike is needed and not one.

[alexander 66]

Everything is done in alliance, taking into account blows. A whole air defense regiment guarded only the plant.

[Tagan]

Quote: Crown without virus

So we ... that ... VSE shoot at transformer boxes ... with calibers ... instead of bridges and factories ... otherwise, God forbid, the transportation of oil and gas to the West will collapse And so everything is in business - it seems that the SVO is on, and the money is dripping to us

The "liberal public", as always, has trouble with memory. It takes 10 minutes, no more.))

[Boris Ivanov]

Semyon Pegov is famous for his exercises, even from Nagorno-Karabakh .. I have no faith and trust in his work.

[boris ivanov]

the port and all enterprises of the city were to be disposed of.

[PValery53]

For some reason, Western equipment is only destroyed by ours on the battlefield, but it should ALWAYS be on the access roads !! Are we keeping an agreement?

[Vyacheslav V.]

40 rounds at a rate of fire of 10 rounds per minute. So it is designed for 4 minutes in battle. The radius of the circle is 7 km. There are four clowns in the center of the circle. 1996 car. Wouldn't make a curious audience laugh.

[Andron78]

They go for recycling. Of course there is no confirmation, but it may well be. Accompanying deliveries with informational noise about their preparation is already a common thing. I hope our intelligence is tracking these very deliveries not through the sites of information channels.

[poquello]

"is it really about Leopard 2 tanks, and not about dummies"
an interesting point, dill really turned out to be big fans of dummies

[Void]

Even cleaners know where repair plants are located, where and how equipment can be delivered... It is only unclear why this is still functioning....

[Vladimir80]

It functions because "they haven't started yet" - but nothing, if necessary, General K. will grind all the equipment and all the factories

[Gnefredov]

And here is a passing question: will the Polish Leopards be supplied with Polish crews? And then with what crews will (if any) German "Leopards" be supplied? And the French tanks ... Who will be "driving" there?
Why these questions, it seems unlikely that members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already been trained to use this technique and will be put on it, but then the crews of NATO member countries? But then the participation of NATO becomes undeniable?

[megavolt823]

The French have a pretty good tank. I don't speak fluent African. Leclerc is a good car. But in full body kit, the car is more expensive than Abrams. They are few. For 2 years, do not master this tank. On the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR, there are enough of all the nationalities of the world. Not only Europe. What's the same to be surprised?

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: megavolt823

The French have a pretty good tank. I don't speak fluent African. Leclerc is a good car.

Yes, a great car ... But it’s not 20 times better than the T-72! Moreover: for a duel from one Leclerc (Leopard, Abrams, Merkava, don’t care ... anyone!) Against twenty T-72s - I can bet my apartment on the fact that the declared duelist will burn unconditionally!
And I already asked this question in another thread: if the ukrovermacht with five thousand Soviet tanks could not oppose anything to our army and basically lost its tanks, then why did they all schizophrenicly decide that two hundred or three hundred leopards and leclercs (and they ask so much!) - will they be able to utterly smash our army ???

[Grancer81]

The Polish guys have already said: "Psya krev !!!" and they are not interested in dying for the interests of Pan Morawiecki ....

[megavolt823]

The tank itself is a leopard, abras. No more and no less than the other. The issue is data collection, exchange and attachments. About where they were brought from. The question is not the most relevant. Tanks without good air support will not last long. Ah, oh, oh, yeah. But about air defense, there is somehow silence on the air. Tanks, I think, will be bait for our aviation. But the presence of air defense will be a surprise. And as usual, no one knew. And I couldn't think.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Well, who knows... a dummy for a drone is one thing, but a dummy for a press lens is quite another. In the first case, the details are not important. The main thing is a common recognizable silhouette. But in the second - the task of jewelry. Because a tiny jamb and a discrepancy in appearance - they will instantly notice and open the deception.

[ilpine]

Ukrainians easily and almost with impunity import, export, transport, transfer around the country almost everything they want. Especially in Western and Central Ukraine. Well, from Romania, under the umbrella of the grain deal. This is how it looks, according to our media and bloggers. The same head of the German Foreign Ministry easily comes to Kharkov, not to mention messengers in Kyiv and Lvov. What are you surprised?

[zenion]

They are not touched, so that they are not afraid. This is reminiscent of the anecdote about two Yankees who found out that Indian scalps paid big money. The guys decided to earn extra money. We bought everything we needed and went to look for the Indians. It's already evening, but no one has been found. We decided to spend the night. They pitched a tent, ate, drank and fell asleep. One of them, in the morning, wanted a little. He climbs out of the tent, and around it is a sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbIndians. He slowly crawls into the tent and into the ear of his friend, so as not to scare the Indians, he says - Joe, you and I are millionaires. This is how it is now with the Ukrainians. They are waiting for them to get together, in a heap, that's when the scalps will be removed.

[Mapping]

How will our GDP solve this Red Line ?? THOUSANDS of our men died because of this. We are not like that. When will we start fighting properly???

[Dmitrii512]

What is happening is theater. The oligarchs staged a redistribution of property, at the cost of the lives of ordinary people.

[Dmitrii512]

And why does the armored plant in Nikolaev still exist? Or is it also not calibrated?

[Yaroslav the Wise]

The author of the article should ask questions according to the status. Although such questions are simply stupid! But the author is forgiven. Because at the moment there is one very important question: "But how does all foreign military equipment get to Ukraine in general? The question is not even about pistols or, for example, rockets and shells, but about such equipment that is not at all small in size, like" Hymers "Or American armored personnel carriers. And how does such equipment not noticeably get to Ukraine? Or rather, "not noticeable" for correspondents, but whoever needs it sees everything! He sees, but is silent and does nothing

[mmaxx]

Vargonzo lies all the time. Therefore, everything that is reported there can not even be checked. It is better to kill time with other channels.

[AnAAsd]

One gets the feeling that the actions of the deceived will lead to irreversible consequences.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

It is necessary to destroy the logistics center of Lvov, albeit with nuclear weapons.

[Chief_Keef]

Yes, until they are delivered, a couple more months will pass. Crews also need to be trained, this is still not a toy