Norwegian authorities at a closed meeting will consider the possibility of supplying Leopard 2A4NO tanks to Ukraine

Norway may join the ranks of countries wishing to share their tanks, the possibility of such a deal in Oslo will be discussed in the near future, and in a secret mode. The Norwegian press writes about this with reference to the country's government.

The Norwegian authorities intend to discuss the possibility of transferring Leopard 2A4NO tanks to Ukraine from the presence of the Norwegian army. The meeting will be held behind closed doors, only 20 people will be present, these are representatives of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee of the Norwegian Parliament. The place and time of the meeting has not been announced.

According to the Norwegian press, the topic of the meeting will be the provision of military assistance to Ukraine, including the supply of tanks. The Norwegians want to discuss the possibility of doing without German permission when supplying Leopard 2A4NO tanks to Kyiv, as suggested by Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki.

The committee is expected to discuss tonight whether Norway should formally apply to Burbock for permission to support Ukraine with German tanks.

- says the publication.

It is worth noting that the Norwegian army is armed with 32 Leopard 2A4NO tanks, which will be removed from service and replaced by more modern South Korean-assembled vehicles. In Oslo, they plan to replace German Leopard 2A4 tanks with South Korean K2 Black Panthers modified for use in northern latitudes. Replacement is planned from 2025.

Norway purchased used Leopard 2A4 tanks in 2001 from the Netherlands to replace older Leopard 1A5NO tanks. Delivery began that same year and ended in 2002. The tanks were slightly modified, all Dutch equipment was replaced with standard Leopard 2 equipment. But the Norwegians did not succeed in replacing the Leopard 2A4NO with the Leopard 2A7, the K2 Black Panther variant received more votes.

Comments

[Machito]

Who would doubt that the Norwegians will get rid of their junk. And what about Norwegian fishing in the Russian economic zone? This is different. This is business.

[Asad]

Our fishermen also fish in Norwegian waters. The popularity of the South Korean tank is surprising.

[topol717]

Quote: ASAD

The popularity of the South Korean tank is surprising.

Well, probably people are pecking at the declared performance characteristics, such as 1300mm of reduced armor in the forehead of the tower. Here, the RPG will not break through and the javelin will also pass. And another 1500 hp. and automatic transmission. And the development of 2014, but this is one of the most expensive tanks, more than 10 lyams, and apparently they give good kickbacks.

[Normann]

and its weight, at our theater they would have bought a merkava)

[smart fellow]

The K2 is lighter than the Abrams and will go into service with the Polish army in the north, and the Abrams in the south.

[smart fellow]

Well, probably people peck at the declared performance characteristics

K2 can also be controlled from a nearby tank, move along a given route under the control of an on-board computer, and in the event of a crew death, return to base on its own. Can hit armored targets from above, incl. hidden by the terrain. The projectile above the target opens the parachute and dives vertically down. If you bury the tank or hide behind a mountain, the enemy will still be able to get you.

but this is one of the most expensive tanks, more than 10 lyam

The American M1A2 SEPv3 costs approximately $20 million.
The cost of the German "Leopard 2A7V +" / Leopard 2A7V + "is over 20 million dollars.
For Leclerc, you will have to pay 10-12,6 million dollars.
The price of the Chinese ZTZ-99 is 2,6-4 million dollars.
https://naukatehnika.com/rejting-osnovnyh-boevyh-tankov-po-ih-stoimosti.html

and kickbacks seem to be good

The Koreans proposed the joint development of self-propelled guns and tanks of a new generation, and in the future Poland may join the development of the KF-21 Boramae (it is planned to be finalized to the 5th generation version).

[donavi49]

What tank should they buy?
Challenger - not produced.
Leclerc - not produced.
Abrams - delivery schedule for the 30th.
Leopard - a teaspoon a year, plus he lost in comparative tests.

Norway first bought K9 with K10 loading machines - they really liked it. Now takes K2. Also, Korea is the only one whose production is deployed for serious deliveries. Although it's double-edged. That is, they need to look for buyers for hundreds of units annually.

[Normann]

How will hundreds of tanks be produced every year?

[Beetle1991]

What surprises you?
A couple of hundred tanks a year is one assembly line.
They and Abrams under license riveted hundreds annually, and not like Indians from car kits, but they produced almost all components and assemblies themselves.
They have few orders, they cannot load production. They carry their tanks and self-propelled guns to all exhibitions.
They rivet millions of cars, shipbuilding in general, in the best years, Korea accounted for half of the total tonnage in the world. Everything is fine with the electronics industry, too.

[donavi49]

Well, they need to ship 180 K2 to the Poles by the year 25. And at the same time, there are still 54 cars of the native army. And also Norway.

This year, according to the agreement, Poland should have training + 2 K2 battalions.

[bayard]

Quote: donavi49

Norway first bought K9 with K10 loading machines - they really liked it. Now takes K2. Also, Korea is the only one whose production is deployed for serious deliveries. Although it's double-edged. That is, they need to look for buyers for hundreds of units annually.

Maybe we can buy a hundred or two SAUs from the Koreans of the south?
Since the "Coalition" did not wait?
A joke , but ... with a share of a joke . They shoot us with long-range artillery. The enemy has from 100 to 200 self-propelled guns of a class higher than our Msta-SV, but there is no Coalition. And will it be ... the production was not prepared. The main capacities are being modernized by Msta-S ... and not only shells are needed, but also long-range precision artillery.

[Andrey Moskvin]

And you ask Dmitry Anatolyevich about this. He is a lover of our seas to distribute.

[tralflot1832]

But it’s not an option to sort out this question on the basis of the Norwegian press. So I’ll tell you honestly, they have an opinion Medvedev deceived them in a literary way. He didn’t give 10 miles.

[fruc]

Agreement on the Shevardnadze-Baker Line (eng. Baker-Shevardnadze line agreement)) - an agreement between the USSR and the USA on the delimitation of economic zones and the continental shelf in the Chukchi and Bering Seas, as well as territorial waters in a small area in the Bering Strait between the Ratmanov Islands (Russia ) and Krusenstern (USA).
According to the terms of the agreement in the Bering Sea, the United States withdrew:
- part of the exclusive economic zone of the USSR with an area of ​​23,7 thousand km²; actually transferred by the Soviet Union to the United States in 1977;
- part of the exclusive economic zone of the USSR with an area of ​​7,7 thousand km²;
- a section of the continental shelf with an area of ​​46,3 thousand km² in the open central part of the Bering Sea, located beyond 200 nautical miles from the baselines.

[tralflot1832]

Fishing in accordance with intergovernmental agreements. The quota for two countries for cod Norway is 400 thousand tons, we are 200 tons. Only half of the Norwegian cod comes to spawn, the other half goes to Svalbard. We catch them, they monitor each other mutually. The quota completely that we, that they do not choose, it is such a fish today it is here and tomorrow there, hundreds of kilometers away.

[rocket757]

Norwegian authorities at a closed meeting will consider the possibility of supplying Leopard 2A4NO tanks to Ukraine

. On the Deutsche, they decided to put everything at once and sit down on top ...

[topol717]

Quote: rocket757

On the Deutsche, they decided to put everything at once and sit down on top ...

Exactly, Deutsche themselves are to blame, they put US accomplices in power, and ruined everything that Merkel stubbornly created. The entire Europa was kept at the expense of Germany, because the entire German surplus went to help the European Union, of course not for free, but now the cash flow in Germany will dry up, and the Europeans will wonder why there will be no more help from the European Union. But it will all come back to haunt us in 2 or even 3 years.

[Stella Haddad]

Quote from: topol717

Quote: rocket757

On the Deutsche, they decided to put everything at once and sit down on top ...

Exactly, Deutsche themselves are to blame, they put US accomplices in power, and ruined everything that Merkel stubbornly created. The entire Europa was kept at the expense of Germany, because the entire German surplus went to help the European Union, of course not for free, but now the cash flow in Germany will dry up, and the Europeans will wonder why there will be no more help from the European Union. But it will all come back to haunt us in 2 or even 3 years.

France, Italy, Sweden, Austria, Denmark, the Netherlands and others have already ceased to be donors?

[Eva Star]

Maybe it's time to blow up the Norwegian gas pipelines? This will not only deprive Norway of income, but also undermine the industry of Europe.

[Pavel57]

Leopard, it seems, will leave the arms market.

[DMFalke]

Leopard 2 will leave, Leopard 3 will come. 57 years of feline expanse and economic garters do not end so easily.

[ASM]

And they themselves will be left with a donut hole? Without an official directive from Berlin, they cannot sell anything, much less receive anything in return. Well, the Germans do not have a law that implies further cooperation with states that have violated the agreement. The Germans may pass such a law, but so far it does not smell even close. So far, this is rubbish from incomprehensible talkers.

[donavi49]

It is worth noting that the Norwegian army is armed with 32 Leopard 2A4NO tanks, which will be removed from service and replaced by more modern South Korean-assembled vehicles.

52 - on the balance sheet, of which 32 are in active forces, and the rest are in stock. Just from the warehouse and will begin to transfer.

Generally now:
Poland is ready to transfer about a company with or without the consent of Germany.
Norway is about the same.
Finland - readiness was announced, but a small number. Waiting for good from Germany.
Denmark - ready to transfer, but waiting for the good of Germany. But they either have A7s that will not be allowed, or there is literally a platoon of A5DK.

Spain - sort of got off the topic. At least, now he does not announce himself with the Leopards. And they have just the number of unnecessary ones (up to hundreds of A4s, which are waiting for repair and modernization for the customer).
Canada is also silent for now, and they have about 40 A4+ in reserve.

Austria, Greece, Turkey, Hungary, Switzerland - will not transmit accurately.

Portugal has not yet designated a position for tanks and sends what is simpler to each Ramstein.
Sweden - so far it has reached the Archers and SV90. However, if they start transferring A5, then they can send a company.

Deliveries from long-distance export countries (Indonesia, Chile, Qatar, Singapore) are practically excluded.

Germany - The Minister of Defense has planned an official visit to Kyiv in the coming weeks. Looks like something will work out then.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: donavi49

Germany - The Minister of Defense has planned an official visit to Kyiv in the coming weeks. Looks like something will work out then.

"The farther into the forest - the more" firewood "..."
The longer the "chicken" pecks "by the grain" - the more "grains" are pouring..."
I will express the "hackneyed truth" - "It is necessary to cut off the ways of supplying weapons from NATO to Ukraine" - otherwise, the Russian army will face full-fledged tank regiments-brigades enemy armed with NATO-style equipment.

[Andron78]

Koreans rub their boats, well, who knew that they would trample like that. Eh, where to catch this black cat for study. There would be no price for such an instance.

[Vodila]

Isn't it time to @ use tactical nuclear weapons for warning? Although there is a benefit from the supply - metal in the Donbass and Ukraine, now it will last for decades.