Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki promised to "do without Germany" in the issue of transferring battle tanks to Ukraine

Poland threatened Germany to solve the problem with tanks for Ukraine without the participation of the Germans, if Berlin does not agree to transfer their tanks to Kyiv. The Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki made a corresponding statement.

The Polish politician again accused Germany of "flirting with the Russian bear", calling the behavior of the German government "unacceptable" and said that if the Germans still do not give permission for the supply of tanks, then "Europe will do without them." In Warsaw, they intend to create a small coalition of countries that are ready to supply tanks to Ukraine without the permission of Germany.

We will not just watch Ukraine bleed to death. And we will not let Russia capture Kyiv and then burn Europe (...) Ukraine and Europe will win this war with or without Germany

Morawiecki said, adding that in the absence of tanks at the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Russian army will win, capture Kyiv, and then Russian tanks will "knock on Berlin."

One thing is not clear in this statement, the Polish prime minister is talking about the supply of German tanks bypassing Germany, or are we talking about some other tanks. It's just that in his statement he never said what kind of tanks he was talking about. In Kyiv, they are inclined to believe that the Poles are still ready to supply Leopard 2A4 tanks to Ukraine from the presence of the Polish army, especially since the Polish prime minister earlier promised that he would not wait for Germany's permission, but would transfer the equipment much earlier.

They have been pursuing a policy of rapprochement with Russia for years. They hoped to propitiate the Russian bear with generous contracts. This policy failed, and it is still difficult for the Germans to admit they were wrong.

Morawiecki added.

Comments

[alexoff]

Which is better - Ukrainians without tanks and Poles with tanks, or Ukrainians with tanks and Poles without tanks? By the way, how many power stations are there in Poland?

[Orange Bigg]

Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki promised to "do without Germany" in the issue of transferring battle tanks to Ukraine

I wonder if Poland will be able to do without Germany in all other matters, except for tank issues? For example, without financial assistance from the EU, in which Germany holds a leading position.

[flicker]

I wonder if Poland will be able to do without Germany

It is not known, but the Ukrainians can do without tanks.
https://politikus.info/video/149419-soldaty-vsu-ne-vyhodyat-na-pozicii.html
Video test

[Edik]

Quote: flicker

https://politikus.info/video/149419-soldaty-vsu-ne-vyhodyat-na-pozicii.html

There is no doubt, it is valid and vital! And another confirmation that when a Ukrainian is in tension, he completely forgets the language and switches to the great and mighty Russian language!

[Aviator_]

Indeed, an excellent video. And for some reason, they don’t even think of shooting this commander. So they go to die under our shells.

[flicker]

And for some reason, they don’t even think of shooting this commander

Here, especially the one who had a pendel weighed.

[fruc]

Morawiecki promised to "do without Germany" in the transfer of battle tanks to Ukraine

In this case, complete with Polish NATO tankers. Videos of burnt tanks and corpses will be seen by many in Poland.

[Edik]

Quote: frruc

Videos of burnt tanks and corpses will be seen by many in Poland.

They have already expanded the cemetery.

[alexoff]

It was not in vain that the Germans listened to the campaign, they became more accommodating than Hungary. I suppose there are wagons of compromising evidence for every politician

[carpenter]

Quote from Orange Bigg

I wonder if Poland will be able to do without Germany in all other matters, except for issues of tanks?

Not a single EU country can do without Germany, but Germany cannot even threaten any of them with a finger. All "European hevra" is under the control of the United States and they will not allow anyone to solve their problems on their own (well, everything is like in a Soviet collective farm).

[svp67]

Quote from alexoff

Which is better - Ukrainians without tanks and Poles with tanks, or Ukrainians with tanks and Poles without tanks?

The Poles oppose themselves not only to Russia, but also to Germany, clearly trying to take historical revenge. And they also want to get rid of German tanks, buying now American and Korean ones.

[Plate]

Quote: svp67

The Poles oppose themselves not only to Russia, but also to Germany, clearly trying to take historical revenge.

Strangely, according to the history books, usually Russia and Germany pitted themselves against Poland at the same time. Maybe past times happened the same way as this? The Poles tried to bully in both directions and in the end they got it from both sides, for which they were strongly offended until the next time?

[Alexander Salenko]

But once Poland was our ally, and so strong that we were forced to fight in Poland with our troops instead of the Poles, in fact, this is a speech about the Northern War, which by itself already speaks of the failure of Poland as a state.

[Plate]

As far as I know, it turned out quite controversial. It was what you write. But it also happened that Charles, instead of catching up with the retreating Peter, went to Poland, which the future emperor took full advantage of.

[alexoff]

Half a century before, we began to fight with Poland in such a way that in the middle of the war we agreed with them to fight against the Swedes, who under the guise of almost all of Poland occupied and began to rob.

[fruc]

Plate
...... and in the end they received from both sides, for which they were strongly offended until the next time?

Know their fate. Will receive again, I hope, firmly.

[notingem]

And it’s cheaper to transport tanks from Korea for the war with Russia via the Trans-Siberian Railway. Type of business

[Fizik13]

Quote from alexoff

Which is better - Ukrainians without tanks and Poles with tanks or Ukrainians with tanks and Poles without tanks?...

It would be better if both Poles and Ukrainians were demilitarized!

[Akuzenka]

Which is better - Ukrainians without tanks and Poles with tanks, or Ukrainians with tanks and Poles without tanks? By the way, how many power stations are there in Poland?

The question must be put differently. How much did the Anglo-Saxons promise Poland for the fact that Poland would not be? It is clear that they are all "cannon fodder". But still interesting.

[Magog_]

Poles with tanks

, but on the battlefield NWO. This option is not considered by you, but it is obvious ....

[paul3390]

solve the problem with tanks for Ukraine without the participation of the Germans

Uh-huh .. Is he also going to get spare parts and carry out maintenance without the participation of the Germans?

[svp67]

Quote: paul3390

Is he also going to get spare parts and carry out maintenance without the participation of the Germans?

Apparently, here they can do it if they agree with the same Italy

[gurzuf]

I think it is not profitable for the Italians to quarrel with the Germans.

[Alexander Salenko]

They plan to use tanks that are disposable, but the Poles, I think, will have something in the bins.

[svp67]

Polish politician again accused Germany of "flirting with the Russian bear"

and this is said by the politician of the country, who completely “lay down” under the “American grizzly” ...

[Andrey Moskvin]

They admit that only the whole European gang can try to defeat Russia.

[AAC]

I would not believe a single word that the Poles say. Changing shoes in flight is a national trait. It is the Poles who tend to "say one thing, do another, think a third." A more "promising idea" is the introduction of tanks and other troops under the guise of the western regions. And their subsequent accession. These stories "about knocking on Berlin" are nothing more than horror stories for the night. Everyone understands this, but public opinion needs to be formed.

[Murmur 55]

Who would doubt that!!!
After the ambassador of Ukraine called Scholz Liverwurst and he, on orders from Washington, wiped himself off, does anyone really expect that Warsaw will look back at Berlin? The only person the President of Poland is looking at is the one who rules Washington.

[tralflot1832]

Interestingly, the supply of Poland will be only through the Baltic Sea? Who will be included in the Polish coalition of states, the United States and England without options. What do you think, when will the third world war begin according to the Polish scenario?

[Murmur 55]

tralflot1832 , well, if you figure it out this way and that way, then I think that after the Armed Forces of Ukraine are scratched to the Polish border, and there Kyiv will officially turn to E.S. about bringing in "peacekeepers" and then, as they say, it will become clear.

[tralflot1832]

I agree that the closer the Armed Forces of Ukraine are to the Polish border, the higher the chance of a third world war. But it will be up to us and the United States to decide the issue of a third world war. England and France do not count, for the USA they will be a bargaining chip.

[carpenter]

Quote: tralflot1832

What do you think, when will the third world war begin according to the Polish scenario?

As always - the first of September.

[Akuzenka]

As always - the first of September.

But I want to see and laugh at the false start. And it was August 26th. Read. It was cool. And most importantly, everyone pretended that nothing happened!

[tralflot1832]

Yes, a good date, for five years in a row my vacation ended at this time, I was already thinking what it would be for!

[Reindeer]

But Poland really considers itself the foundation of Europe :) And if together with the Baltics, then there’s nothing to talk about at all 8) This is what the long absence of lyuli and the patronizing attitude of the Yankees lead to ... Therefore, it barks very loudly. Well, well, everything will end as usual - throw yourself under the bench and chew your apples there! :)

[Akuzenka]

But Poland really considers itself the backbone of Europe :)

And Poland is really the backbone of Europe. The basis of her cannon fodder. She is not capable of more, for the gentry's ambition is under the strict control of the Anglo-Saxons. The Poles themselves know this, but all the same, ambition is the main thing!

[evgen1221]

Ah this and so long and immediately was clear. If the lowest mongrel is allowed to spit on the Germans, then the new beloved squaw is even more so. And what will the Germans do about it? Nothing.

[tralflot1832]

Only those who are especially gifted since February 24, 2022 cannot understand that peaceful life is over. Only two options that flow into one. We lose in Ukraine - everyone attacks us to finish off. We win in Ukraine - everyone wants to attack us, but we need to think .In any case, they will try to destroy us, but not to die themselves. Let's hope that they have children and grandchildren and they are not safe with them.

[Andrey Moskvin]

And what about their children and grandchildren? It is better to think about our children and grandchildren, who will have to live in this confrontation. You don't think that this war will end with the capitulation of the collective West, do you?

[Metallurg_2]

in the absence of tanks at the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Russian army will win, capture Kyiv and then Russian tanks will "knock on Berlin"

First, Pan Morawiecki, the Russian tanks will knock on Warsaw. She's just on her way. And there you won’t have to knock on Berlin. Let's divide Poland for the fifth time - and hopefully the last.

[LMN]

A couple of years ago, I read an interesting joke. About the Germans, tanks and Poland. Relevant now))
If the Germans come to participate in the tank biathlon, the winners will be rewarded with a certificate of honor, wristwatch and Poland))

[carpenter]

The West has a lot to convey to the Sumerians, and even if the Germans are against it, then some countries “albertasshesternyovas” can scrape the bins and collect a decent amount of scrap metal for a dead Sumerian, but also some good equipment (it all depends on the greed of the giver and his devotion to the owner.)
Denmark had 2021 Leopard 102A1 tanks in 5. As well as 40 Leopard 2A5 and 4 Leopard 2A7.
Greece, in 2016 had 170 Leopard 2A6HELs and 183 older Leopard 2A4s. In addition to them, 526 Leopard 1A4 / 1A5 and 55 Leopard 1 of very old modifications.
Italy has 177 German Leopard 1s in storage.
In Norway, there were 2021 Leopard 52A2s for 4. For 2016, and another 15 old Leopard 1s.
Poland will be able to transfer to the Schumerovermacht, because for 2021 137 Leopard 2A4, 105 Leopard 2A5 and 5 Leopard 2PL.
In Spain for 2021, 108 German Leopard 2A4s and 219 Leopard 2Es produced under license.

In 2021, the European countries of the NATO bloc had approximately 2300 of the following most modern tanks:
1700 German-designed Leopard 2 tanks, which were in service with various countries;
227 English tanks "Challenger 2";
222 French "Leclerc";
In addition to these vehicles, there were about 4000 tanks of previous generations:
up to 1300 German Leopard 1s, most of which are in storage and hardly in good condition;
up to 100 French AMX-30s;
at least 1500 American M60s;
at least 1100 American M48s, which are apparently all in storage.

[locks]

Quote: carpenter

The West has a lot to convey to the Sumerians, and even if the Germans are against it, then some countries “albertasshesternyovas” can scrape the bins and collect a decent amount of scrap metal for a dead Sumerian, but also some good equipment (it all depends on the greed of the giver and his devotion to the owner.)
Denmark had 2021 Leopard 102A1 tanks in 5. As well as 40 Leopard 2A5 and 4 Leopard 2A7.
Greece, in 2016 had 170 Leopard 2A6HELs and 183 older Leopard 2A4s. In addition to them, 526 Leopard 1A4 / 1A5 and 55 Leopard 1 of very old modifications.
Italy has 177 German Leopard 1s in storage.
In Norway, there were 2021 Leopard 52A2s for 4. For 2016, and another 15 old Leopard 1s.
Poland will be able to transfer to the Schumerovermacht, because for 2021 137 Leopard 2A4, 105 Leopard 2A5 and 5 Leopard 2PL.
In Spain for 2021, 108 German Leopard 2A4s and 219 Leopard 2Es produced under license.

In 2021, the European countries of the NATO bloc had approximately 2300 of the following most modern tanks:
1700 German-designed Leopard 2 tanks, which were in service with various countries;
227 English tanks "Challenger 2";
222 French "Leclerc";
In addition to these vehicles, there were about 4000 tanks of previous generations:
up to 1300 German Leopard 1s, most of which are in storage and hardly in good condition;
up to 100 French AMX-30s;
at least 1500 American M60s;
at least 1100 American M48s, which are apparently all in storage.

Leopard 2A4 of which the vast majority of the 2300 pieces you indicated are far from the "most modern tank"

[Tarasios]

Until recently, Germany was considered the marshal of the nobility and the leader of Europe. Consequently, both Ukraine and Poland already consider Germany weak. Poland, taking advantage of the situation, simply rushes without hesitation to the redistribution of Europe, political and geographical.
It would be nice if a squabble between "ours" would begin in Europe.

[LMN]

Well, if Poland hands over tanks without permission, then, in theory, a squabble should begin.

[petrol cutter]

Who is Poland against the Nazis?
Saying no means NO.

[locks]

Only the Baltic states are more afraid of the victory of Russia than the Poles. The Poles and the Germans would have quarreled as soon as possible.

[donavi49]

There, if they found a batch of real T-72B / K - 20 have already been transferred to a repair plant in the Czech Republic, according to media reports
Mena Defense:
Morocco sent an unknown number of T-72B tanks to Ukraine.
About 20 of them were sent to the Czech Republic for modernization last week.

There were also photos of Moroccans on Excalibur.

Morocco has about 140 T-72Bs and they are not averse to getting rid of them, they said last year, but not as a gift, but for something (they want F-16s and Helicopters, well, money).

[molyr]

even if they value them at 1 lyam, that's 140 lyam, how much will they buy 16 and helicopters with? how much change is left?

[donavi49]

So they already ordered in the year 20 - 25 Vipers

25 newly built Lockheed Martin F-16C/D (F-16V) Block 72 Vipers

But they did not find money to modernize their 23 F-16s.

They also wanted 36 Boeing AH-64E Apache Guardian - but in 21 they contracted 24 with very small additional stages, judging by the announced amount of the contract.

They are also pulling a modernization program for their Abrams.

In general, there is something to bargain.

[16112014nk]

the Russian army will win, capture Kyiv, and then Russian tanks will "knock on Berlin."

Here the Germans, unlike the Poles, understand that if first the German tanks are in Ukraine, then the Russians are in Berlin.

[Nord11]

Eh, pshek Morawiecki, it's just that the Germans are practical people and do not want to transfer tanks to a country that will not be helped by anything. Moreover, they are not blinded by stupid hatred, like Poland ..

[Sergey_52]

Well, they are almost there, - said Susanin, picking a banana from a tree ...

[Vic Vic]

It is not clear why Germany allows Poland to talk to itself in such a tone. The Poles live on EU money, the main sponsor of which is Germany, i.e. Polish prosperity is secured by German money.
Poland does not have the production of its own tanks, we are talking about German tanks, which cannot be transferred to third countries without the permission of Germany.
Poland does not have the production of spare parts for German tanks.
Poland, at the same time, still demands reparations from Germany following the results of the Second World War.
In view of the foregoing, Germany should have long ago simply diplomatically, but intelligibly, invited Poland to shut up and go to hell.

[IVZ]

This world may well do without Russophobic Poland, and it is unlikely that it will become worse from this.

[flyer]

How does the Polish leadership want to gain weight in this conflict ...