Armor for children and swords for Vikings: the military history museum in the city of Brussels

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Armor for children and swords for Vikings: the military history museum in the city of Brussels
Children's knightly armor by Anton Pfeffenhauser. Here and below - photographs of the Royal Museum of the Army and War stories Belgium


... you will only look with your eyes.
Psalms 90:8



Gird yourself up to your thighs with your sword...
Your glory and Your beauty.

Psalms 44:4

Military museums of the world. We continue to get acquainted with the museums of different countries of the world, where weapon and, first of all, knightly armor is an interesting topic for many VO readers. Today we are next in line with the Royal Museum of the Army and Military History of Belgium (French - Musée Royal de l'Armée, Dutch - Koninklijk Legermuseum) - a military history museum in the city of Brussels. This place is very interesting in every way.

"Russian Section"


It has a huge exhibition hall, where life-size aircraft are exhibited in many, as well as helicopters, and rockets, artillery pieces, Tanks - in a word, what is there just not. There is even a completely unique exhibit there - the German three-engine transport Junkers-52, probably the only surviving specimen! There is a "Tank Yard", and all the tanks there look like new.

It is also interesting for us, Russians, to visit it because there is a whole “Russian Section” there. It presents the richest collection from the regimental museum of the Consolidated Cossack Life Guards Regiment, and among them artifacts belonging to the Life Guards Cossack Regiment, Her Majesty's Cuirassier and His Majesty's Lancers regiments.

Moreover, here you can see the uniforms of Nicholas I, Alexander II, Alexander III, once taken by immigrants from St. Petersburg. The "Russian Section" was founded by the major of the Belgian army, the director of the museum, L. Leconte.

But again, today we will not consider all this wealth, although it would be worth it, but there are no photographs, which means there is no text either.

But what is there are photographs of children's knightly armor, tournament and horse equipment and ... a sword from the Viking era. There is also information about all this, so our today's story will go about all this.

Children's armor


By the way, not so much is known about children's armor.

For example, they are in the collection of the Dresden Armory, but ... there is offensively little information on them. There is children's armor in the collection of the Vienna Imperial Arsenal, but their photographs are taboo today due to a special operation in Ukraine, they are also in the Army Museum in Paris, but also ... except for signatures (short!) In French, information about them is simply missing .

The Belgian Museum, in general, also does not provide detailed information about the children's knightly armor it has, but this is at least something ...

So, we have children's knightly armor made in Augsburg by the famous gunsmith Anton Pfeffenhauser between 1545 and 1603. He was a renowned craftsman and worked for many royalty.

Surprisingly, this is not knightly armor, by no means. In fact, these are three-quarter cavalry armor (to the knee), which at that time could be used by reytars, spearmen, and cuirassiers. It was made for a 5-6 year old boy. The helmet - burgignot, like the armor itself, is richly decorated.

It is believed that they made it for the coronation of Maximilian II in 1564, and it was intended for his son Albert, who was born in 1559. It is said that the crown prince of Bavaria, Joseph-Ferdinand (1692–1699), son of Maximilian-Emmanuel (viceroy of the Spanish Netherlands from 1691 to 1706), also wore this armor. He was heir to the Spanish throne, and it was his premature death that sparked the War of the Spanish Succession.

As for this armor, it was one of the items taken out by the Austrians from the Coudenberg Palace in 1794. However, later the Belgian government agreed to return it to the museum's collection, however, after the First World War in 1922.


Cuirass and pauldron of armor

The armor, as you can see, is quite richly, although very succinctly, decorated. Moreover, the fact that, in fact, he was supposed to wear it, just a baby, suggests that children began to be prepared for military service in heavy cavalry from early childhood.

And since it was the armor of a pistol-pistol, it must be assumed that he learned to shoot from a pistol from the same time, and by the time he grew up he wore such armor, not noticing weight, and he knew how to shoot exceptionally accurately!

Carolingian sword



Carolingian sword, also known as the Viking sword, Northwestern Europe, 750-850.

Similar swords were produced throughout the Frankish Empire during the Carolingian period (800-1000 AD).

Also, such swords are also called "Viking swords", as many of them are found in Scandinavian burials. The Vikings probably really owned these swords, but they got them as a result of trade, robbery or ransom.

The Carolingian sword is an evolution of the sword of the Merovingian era, which in turn became the "knight's sword" in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries.

This is a very expensive and high-quality item, which, however, is found throughout Europe and even in Kazan in Tatarstan. The sale of these swords became increasingly regulated over time. So, in the second half of the XNUMXth century, the sale of such a sword to non-Franks was punishable by death.

Although this type of weapon was less elitist than its predecessor, the Merovingian sword, it was still very expensive and not widely available. The ax and spear were the weapons of choice for most of the warriors of this period.


Not as often as this time, it is possible to view such exhibits up close. And ... it is clear that this sword is made of "Damascus steel", by repeatedly forging several metal bars!


Top of the handle. Richly decorated with gilding and a notch of gold wire. Its weight balanced the weight of the blade


And here we see both the crosshair and the pommel at the same time. Well, it's very beautiful, isn't it!

saffron



Saffron - a horse mask, is another very interesting exhibit of the museum. Side view

These are parts of a horse armor made in Germany in the third quarter of the 1400th century and finished with engraving and blackening. Such horse masks appeared on horse armor around XNUMX. They were in use before, but usually leather or chain mail, with a leather lining.

At that time, the armor of the horse was very similar to the armor of the rider, but much heavier. Therefore, they were difficult to wear and more expensive to produce. This type of protection was used until the middle of the XNUMXth century ...

Such armor, both for the gunsmith and for their owner, was of great value, because they judged the skill of the first, and the wealth of the second ...

Three coats of arms on the forehead suggest that this chaffron was produced in the Palatinate or Bavaria, or was intended for a rider from the same places.

tournament armor



And here the coats of arms are clearly visible ...


The real pearl of the knight's collection of this museum: the famous tournament armor attributed to Philip II, 1560.

It is said that this armor belonged to the Habsburg king Philip II. It was made under the direction of Wolfgang Grosschedel, a famous Bavarian gunsmith active between 1517 and 1562, who for many years carried out the orders of this Spanish monarch.

This armor has been confirmed to bear a strong resemblance to the armor designed for Philip II by Wolfgang and Franz Grossschedel from the Royal Armory of Madrid (Real Armería).


Helmet from this armor. The photo clearly shows the screw that connected the grand guard with the helmet visor, which is why it acquired all the protective properties of the "toad's head"

It was made in Landshut (Duchy of Bavaria) around 1550-1560, and it was intended for the Geschtech, a German equestrian tournament popular in the XNUMXth century, in which the participants were separated by a fence. This type of armor is characterized by a reinforcement on the left side, which was supposed to withstand most of the blows and hits in battle.

The shield, attached to the breastplate (or the so-called "granguard") and covering the chest and left shoulder, was equipped with metal fittings in the form of a grid, the purpose of which was to prevent the spear from sliding up and hitting the neck or helmet.

Although the neck, and elbow, and forearm, and the left hand were also equipped with additional reinforcements. The tassets protecting the thighs were similarly reinforced. They were forged from a single piece of metal, but the one on the right was somewhat shorter than the one on the left.


Spear hook - fokr, and the pin with which he was attached to the cuirass


Knee pad with "shell" right


engraving sample


"Sink" of the kneecap. Usually such patterns in that era were made by etching. The metal was covered with wax, then the patterns were scratched with a needle, and then the details were immersed in acid. After that, the product was washed, the wax was removed from it, if necessary, the pattern was finalized with chisels and the recesses were filled with niello, which, upon subsequent heating, was sintered with the metal.


Knee pad with "shell" left

Interestingly, the strength and monumentality of this armor does not detract from its ... gracefulness, although tournament armor, as a rule, was heavier than armor intended for the battlefield, due to many additional reinforcements.

In total, this armor weighs about 40 kilograms, which is about twice as much as armor designed for war. This weight may seem excessive, but it approximates the load that a modern soldier carries.


A plate glove, wearing which, it was easy to shoot a pistol!


Bourguignot helmets decorated in the museum for Halloween


Crossbow decorated with bone inlays


A powder flask made of a horn, and what an “indecent” one too ...

Our virtual tour of the Royal Museum of the Army and Military History of Belgium is over. Well, which of us will be able to visit there live, this, as they say, only God knows!
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  1. +9
    22 January 2023 04: 08
    Thank you very much, dear Vyacheslav, for the amazing photos and sensible comments on them. It is incomprehensible to the modern mind, where did people then get the patience for such delicate and painstaking work.
    1. +7
      22 January 2023 06: 07
      Joining the kind words of Kamrad Comrade!
      I suspect that Vyacheslav Olegovich knows a certain “rooster word”, when you read the text with pleasure and admire the illustrations for it, while only positive emotions and a desire to communicate with members of the forum are born!
      It's worth a lot!
      Good morning everyone!!!
  2. +7
    22 January 2023 04: 26
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! The beauty!

    So I thought - could the sword from the museum be brought into combat condition? How long does Damascus steel retain its properties?
    1. +6
      22 January 2023 06: 22
      Quote from Korsar4
      Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! The beauty!

      Good morning Sergey!
      I have several damask and harluzh knives at home. Unlike "whole" ones, they require more careful care and respect. However, like all metal products. When cleaning and lubricating at least once a year, I think, like any other object, they are eternal.
      Regarding caroling from Damascus steel, I think that this sword is made from a multi-layer blank, but whether it is Damascus is debatable. We repeat the pattern, and this is a sign of damask steel.
      However, I am not an expert and it would be interesting to read the comments of people who know!

      1. +5
        22 January 2023 07: 28
        Good morning Vladislav!

        Beautifully sounded about "eternity". It's like Kai put the word together.
      2. +8
        22 January 2023 08: 01
        Not an expert in this topic from the word in general, but
        This is a welding damascus. Technique known from Spain to Japan
        Welding damascuses are much more susceptible to corrosion than homogeneous steel
        1. +3
          22 January 2023 10: 05
          Quote: Engineer
          Not an expert in this topic from the word in general, but
          This is a welding damascus. Technique known from Spain to Japan
          Welding damascuses are much more susceptible to corrosion than homogeneous steel

          I agree - it’s convenient for them to cut sausage with tomatoes, but then cleaning and lubrication is required.
          1. +3
            22 January 2023 11: 32
            Regarding caroling from Damascus steel, I think that this sword is made from a multi-layer blank, but whether it is Damascus is debatable. We repeat the pattern, and this is a sign of damask steel.

            If the age of this sword is determined correctly, then it is indeed made by repeatedly forging a steel package.
            Crucible steel blades in Europe began to be forged after no earlier than the XNUMXth century.
            1. +7
              22 January 2023 12: 22
              If perishing tedious, then until the end. Not a steel package, but a combined one - steel and iron. Batch forging and welded Damascus are synonyms.
              The sword in the photo has soft iron cutting edges - the pattern is missing or different from the heart
              1. +4
                22 January 2023 14: 32
                In my opinion, you have an error in the statement: "cutting edges made of soft iron." The cutting edge, on the contrary, is made of hard, hardened steel. Soft core. One can recall katanas, in which the point was specially hardened to the maximum, while the butt of the blade was covered with clay protection. This gave a specific wavy pattern running parallel to the blade.
                As for welded swords, separate blanks were first made with different ratios of layers of mild and carbon steel. some were forged by repeatedly folding the strips, some were additionally twisted in a spiral. And in pairs - part clockwise, part against. This provided elasticity and reduced vibration from impact. After that, a package of blanks was assembled (in my opinion, up to 9 per package) and the blade was welded and forged. During further processing, the blade part was opened - there is a strip pattern, in side packages - a specific patterned pattern associated with the rotation of the layers. In addition, there is a forging-welding technique in which an additional Damascus pattern is formed.
                1. +6
                  22 January 2023 14: 54
                  Memory sometimes fails, so I decided to check

                  https://vk.com/@zolotarevgrad-kak-ustroen-mech
                  It seems that he said everything correctly - batch forging is on the core. The iron strip is crimped like in a sandwich and blades are formed from it.
                  As for welded swords, separate blanks were first made with different ratios of layers of mild and carbon steel. some were forged by repeatedly folding the strips, some were additionally twisted in a spiral.

                  There were several technologies in Europe. Since Roman times, the forging of bars twisted into a spiral has been known, but there the blades and the core were obtained using the same technology - alternating high and low carbon sections

                  Still, I was wrong.
                  Core of layers of iron and steel, but the blades are made of steel. . In the figure above, not an iron, but a steel strip is crimped
                  Image from Bishop's spatha book. The technology is somewhat different - the side strips are welded, and the central strip is not crimped, but the essence is similar.
                  1. +5
                    22 January 2023 16: 52
                    The subject of the conversation was as follows:
                    1. Properties of the blade - not soft low carbon steel (in your description "iron"), but hard hardened steel with a high carbon content, unlike the central part of the sword. There seems to be an agreement here.
                    2. Damascus pattern - these are layers of steel with different carbon content. Consideration of a specific picture allows us to say that the blade has a horizontal pattern, i.e. the presence of a multilayer welded Damascus without twisting, in contrast to the middle where there is a specific pattern of curls. Curl can be obtained both by twisting and by other forging methods. The number and arrangement of elements in the final workpiece in this particular case was not determined.
              2. +2
                22 January 2023 15: 16
                If perishing tedious, then until the end.

                You can also get bored. I operated with modern terminology, in which the structural material - an alloy of iron with carbon, with a content of the latter from 0,002% to 2,14% - is called steel.
    2. +5
      22 January 2023 12: 14
      Totally off topic guys, but...

      I sincerely congratulate everyone on the New Year! I wish you health, good luck and happiness! smile



      Sergey, hello! I used the answer to you to congratulate my colleagues on the Year of the Cat (the rabbit has already been eaten)))))))))))))))))
      1. +4
        22 January 2023 13: 17
        Hi Constantine!

        In the collage - the program for the year?

        “What is our life?
        And they ate, and cats ”(almost (c)).
        1. +3
          22 January 2023 14: 31
          In the collage - the program for the year?


          Rather, a reflection of the New Year's reality. smile
          1. +4
            22 January 2023 14: 56
            A busy life is not bad at all.
            1. +3
              22 January 2023 15: 54
              A busy life is not bad at all.


              1. +4
                22 January 2023 17: 50
                It depends on what you're playing.
                1. +3
                  22 January 2023 18: 19
                  We all play the same game, only everyone has their own rules, and no one asked our desire when we were seated at the gambling table. So everyone is groveling as best they can, to the best of their own abilities and their attitude towards people and the world around them.
              2. +2
                22 January 2023 19: 07
                Is there a joker in the middle? Or a cat's paw print?

                I prefer chess - at least you can see what's on the board.
                1. +2
                  22 January 2023 19: 26
                  In the middle is the Schwarzschild sphere.
                  I wonder if the administration of the resource is familiar with this concept?
                  1. +1
                    22 January 2023 19: 49
                    I wonder if the administration of the resource is familiar with this concept?

                    "You, Zin, run into rudeness ..." (c) laughing

                    I just found out about this myself. request

                    1. +3
                      22 January 2023 20: 05
                      “They want to show their education and always talk about incomprehensible things”
                2. +2
                  22 January 2023 19: 46
                  And instantly in the hall it became quieter
                  He noticed that I was getting up ...
                  It can be seen that he was not up to the chips -
                  And the praised notorious Fisher
                  Immediately agreed to a draw.

                  1. +2
                    22 January 2023 20: 06
                    Familiar. Everyone uses their strong ways.
                    1. +3
                      22 January 2023 20: 27
                      True, some of them have too many of these sides. laughing

                      1. +2
                        22 January 2023 20: 46
                        Oh, people's experience does not tell
                        Fall in love with long and thin:
                        Don't hug or clap them
                        Seduced with them - expect trouble.
                        But this ancient truth
                        Our brother does not attach prices -
                        Barely envy wasp camp
                        And go, go, go!
                        Ah, this waist is easy
                        Passes through the eye of a needle
                        And like a trembling fire
                        A narrow palm snakes!
                      2. +3
                        22 January 2023 21: 01
                        Definitely, definitely
                        I'm marrying a redhead!
                        Definitely, definitely
                        I'll pick a wife to taste.

                        For her to be pretty
                        And a slightly snub nose.
                        Definitely, definitely
                        Reddish hair color.

                        Blondes, brunettes are good while young,
                        And when they grow old, they are good for nothing.
                        And you are such a redhead - you are always young
                        And where you do not touch, everywhere you have fire!
                        laughing
                      3. +2
                        22 January 2023 21: 55
                        Ores-ores-ores-ores-roar,
                        And in Russian - redhead,
                        Ores-ores-ores-ores-roar,
                        Get closer.
                        Ores-ores-ores-ores-roar,
                        I bow to you
                        Ores-ores-ores-ores-roar,
                        You will be salty.

                      4. 0
                        22 January 2023 22: 05
                        You will be salty.


                        If you have time, otherwise you can soak yourself. laughing

                      5. 0
                        23 January 2023 20: 47
                        I confirm - the red-haired green-eyed girl at 35 looked 18.
                        of the Vienna Imperial Arsenal, but their photographs are now taboo due to a special operation

                        And what is it expressed in? Website down or what?
                        May I have the title in German?
                        hgm.at opens normally, although it slows down a lot.
                        Melee weapons on the page https://www.hgm.at/museum/standorte-und-aussenstellen/das-haupthaus
  3. +7
    22 January 2023 05: 19
    The author, how much does children's armor weigh for children aged 5-7 years, this armor is not made of plastic, but made of instructed steel, not iron, but steel, when you write about children, at least think about how much a boy weighs at 5-7 years old and how much weighs an incomprehensible device attributed to this age which is described as armor for children. According to some experts, all these armors were made
    for the device called automatons the so-called robots from the Middle Ages
    1. +7
      22 January 2023 07: 31
      What are automata? Preserved data on orders, not verbally agreed. To whom, how much and for what paid. And there are a lot of children's armor and ... there are a lot of "accompaniments" too! They did it for people!
    2. +3
      22 January 2023 12: 22
      Author and how much does children's armor weigh for children aged 5-7 years


      This armor for a six-year-old boy from the collection of the Royal Armories Museum weighs 7 kg.
      1. 0
        23 January 2023 02: 56
        Most likely your screen of children's armor from the Amazon.com website, and there they actually sell armor for children, weighing up to 10 kilograms.
        And so here is the site where the author answers questions about the weight of the armor on the video

        https://aprilmunday.wordpress.com/2017/04/09/the-weight-of-medieval-armour/


        And now the most interesting thing on the net is that you can find many auctions selling armor made allegedly in the 14th-19th centuries. The description always says what size, length, width it is, but for some reason there is nowhere about the weight of the armor, and that's what was in the museum in New York in Metropolitan, and when the guide was asked about the weight of children's armor, the guide answered, if you are interested, I can invite a specialist and she invited him, to the question of how much these French children's ceremonial armor of King Henry weigh, he answered armor and sleeves, without a helmet and leggings 35 feet is about 15 kilograms and to the question and this adult of the same Henry of the King of France immediately answered that his not full dress armor and leggings instructed in gold weigh about 200 pounds, which is about 90 kilograms
      2. 0
        23 January 2023 20: 37
        It’s also interesting, but they managed to make them before the child grew up or immediately made them for growth
  4. +8
    22 January 2023 05: 31

    Oh, finally got the picture up. These are exhibits from the Brussels Museum, the photo is funny. Behind the glass is children's armor, below you can see a sign of decent size. This means that there is information on children's armor in the museum, and judging by the size of the tablet, the information is quite detailed.
    At the extreme left, a tournament helmet is striking. It turns out that in order to move around, the boy had to walk with his head tilted? The left arm is disproportionately long. It looks like from an adult armor?
    1. +6
      22 January 2023 06: 30
      I think Vyacheslav himself was not in the museum himself, but used the organization's Internet resource.
      Information on the website and in real life may differ significantly.
      However, “thought - look under your feet”, I personally appreciated “in full and exhaustive scope” when reading your comment. I managed to step on the tail of my mother's cat, for which my lower limbs were punished. laughing
      1. +4
        22 January 2023 07: 32
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        and used the organization's Internet resource.
    2. +3
      22 January 2023 08: 02
      It turns out that in order to move around, the boy had to walk with his head tilted?

      Just raised the visor
      1. +2
        22 January 2023 18: 51
        Quote: Engineer
        It turns out that in order to move around, the boy had to walk with his head tilted?

        Just raised the visor

        I think it's easier laughing
        When the future nobleman played knights, the poodles hid on the bed, the cats perched on the chandeliers, and the guests disputed the places of those others. Only the lucky ones managed to lock themselves in the wine cellar with the priest and try to guess which of the neighbors today is destined for the role of “dragon”, or the younger offspring will be limited to “tigers” and “wolves”. Drunk, some even wish "young-green" will not fall from the second floor or into the fireplace. Although most of the toasts will be to the fact that the barchuk grew up faster and fell under the heel of a good pan, which "will turn him into a ram's horn." And only an old cleric from a neighboring church will traditionally announce - I'm newer before the wedding - I definitely won't live this restless - I'll drink
        drinks .
        1. +5
          22 January 2023 19: 34
          A good scenario, but only on behalf of the canines, I’ll note that many poodles are smarter and will be older than this barchuk.
          1. +3
            22 January 2023 20: 52
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            A good scenario, but only on behalf of the canines, I’ll note that many poodles are smarter and will be older than this barchuk.

            I don’t argue Anton, but they, unlike seals, cannot climb curtains !!! laughing
  5. +3
    22 January 2023 06: 28
    As always, excellent material! good And the armor produced is a real metal art. They could do it, no doubt. Yes, and such armor cost, I believe, NOT LITTLE!
  6. +2
    22 January 2023 06: 30

    The photo shows the barbarian king of Italy, Theodoric the Great, who lived in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries AD. His combat attire is interesting. Did they really know how to do this in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries? I always believed that the barbarians had a shield, a sword and some kind of protective elements made of leather or metal. Even the Romans didn't dress like that. Or is it just a sculptor's fantasy?

    PS I apologize for being a little off topic, but this question has been tormenting me for a long time, and I myself am not quite in the subject of weapons and knightly vestments ...
    1. +5
      22 January 2023 07: 34
      Quote: Luminman
      Or is it just a sculptor's fantasy?
      Just a fantasy! There are also images of Charlemagne from 14 ... years, where he is in Gothic armor, and even gilded!
      1. +4
        22 January 2023 07: 50
        Quote: kalibr
        Just a fantasy!

        I think so too, however, there were still doubts ...
        1. +8
          22 January 2023 08: 21
          They are creative people, “what I see, I draw”!
          The Author recently published an article about medieval miniatures "about the battle of David with Goliath." Without irony, it is fashionable to get acquainted with the tools and armor of contemporaries of artists! For example, in the miniatures of the late Middle Ages, the authors had to draw an open visor at the helmet of Goliath!!! laughing
          A similar situation is with domestic miniatures and illustrations of chronicles, where the Mongols had cannons during the siege of Batu Kozelsk - "reality"!
          laughing
    2. +4
      22 January 2023 11: 06
      Quote: Luminman
      Or is it just a sculptor's fantasy?

      In St. Petersburg, between the Field of Mars and the Trinity Bridge, there is a monument to Suvorov. I could not insert a photo, but you can try to find it on the net. You will be surprised. smile
      1. +8
        22 January 2023 11: 24
        In St. Petersburg, between the Field of Mars and the Trinity Bridge, there is a monument to Suvorov.
        1. +6
          22 January 2023 11: 38
          You can add fantasy images of Peter the Great by Bartolomeo Carlo Rastrelli.

          And also the Bronze Horseman, everyone knows him.
          The image is born in the process of implementing the idea of ​​the work. Moreover, symbols in art speak more than reality.
        2. +3
          22 January 2023 11: 45
          The field is Marsovo. The rest is not so important.
        3. +4
          22 January 2023 12: 44
          Hello Anton!

          The monument to Suvorov in Moscow will still be more realistic. smile

          1. +4
            22 January 2023 12: 54
            Unlike the monument to Peter on the Vodootvodny Canal.)))
            1. +2
              22 January 2023 14: 27
              You, by chance, do not mean Shemyakinsky "masterpiece"? In the nineties he was in St. Petersburg and accidentally ran into him, almost threw up. wassat
              1. +4
                22 January 2023 14: 37
                In St. Petersburg there is a Obvodny Canal, and not a Vodootvodny, respectively, and the masterpiece is not Shemyakin, but Tsereteliea.
                1. +4
                  22 January 2023 15: 49
                  cereteliean.


                  So Tsereteli and you noted? I wonder where he couldn't fit in? However, one is worth the other. laughing
                  1. +4
                    22 January 2023 16: 05
                    No, he didn’t check in, although he tried to sell his Peter to the city. As for realism, in my opinion, the most realistic sculpture of Peter is in Arkhangelsk. We have a copy of it, on Sampsonievsky Prospekt. And ... on every five-hundred-rouble note!
                    1. +2
                      22 January 2023 17: 08
                      No, he didn’t check in, although he tried to sell his Peter to the city.


                      Well done guys, get out! laughing
                      But Shemyakin's creation does not decorate the city either. request
                    2. +2
                      22 January 2023 19: 08
                      He is beautiful in Arkhangelsk. Just small enough.
                      1. +4
                        22 January 2023 19: 42
                        I think exactly the same as in St. Petersburg. But it corresponds to historical realities and stands where it should be.
                      2. +2
                        22 January 2023 21: 00
                        I didn't see it in Petersburg.
                        In general, I like Arkhangelsk. And Little Karely.
              2. +4
                22 January 2023 17: 05
                You just don't know how to cook it wink
                In order to understand that a work must represent the biography of the author, the stages of his formation as an artist, the place and time of the creation of the work, then the idea is clear.
                This thing is unusual for us, but I like it and it's about a different Peter. All my life I have lived on the Petrograd side, a step away from Petropavlovka, and I think that the work is good and appropriate. We can talk about it if anyone wants to.
                1. +2
                  22 January 2023 20: 03
                  Good evening, Vladimir. smile
                  Here, by God, I never thought that I need to know the biography of the artist in order for me to like his work. This applies to literature as well as to the visual arts. If the author has talent, then he will certainly be understood and accepted. And what about Shemyakin? A microcephalic sitting on a chair? So what is there to understand, here it is necessary to sympathize. smile
                  1. +2
                    23 January 2023 00: 00
                    Good evening Konstantin. As they say, a good question is "what you need to know in order to understand what artists want to say with their works, why is this and not otherwise?".
                    Without a doubt, everyone has their own scale of "immersion in the topic." If you are not interested in dealing with this, then you have the right to spit and move on with a clear conscience. And if not, then you will have to try to look deeper and wider. Of course, becoming an art critic will not work, but knowledge will help to look deeper. No wonder there is a science of art history, art history, concepts of composition and expressive means in various areas of art.
                    Ask yourself how many names of modern artists, sculptors, architects can you name, whose work you know? In Russia and the world? Who, for example, receives professional awards in architecture? In general, the degree of your passion for these issues.
                    Quite briefly about Shemyakin. He studied painting at the SHSH (secondary art school at the Repin Institute - Academy of Arts). In those days, the school was located right in the building of the Academy, they studied there from the 5th grade. That is, 12-year-old children existed in the same environment with students and teachers in an educational institution in which traditions have not been interrupted since the 18th century. This is a different world than the usual school or university. (there should have been a huge article about the Academy - a trip to another universe). Shemyakin received an excellent basis, an excellent draftsman, he has a fine sense of form. But at the same time, he deeply rethinks it, endowing it with deep meanings (form). I don’t remember how many years ago there was a series of his lectures on TV, a very interesting cycle about the art of painting. At the same time, Mikhail's thirst for serving the idea completely prevails over the instinct of self-preservation. Collisions with the official policy in the fine arts led to the fact that the Academy had to say goodbye. And here is a new world - the Hermitage. An absolutely fabulous place full of mysticism, amazing history and unique characters. For me personally, all museums are museums, good and bad, and the Hermitage is separate. He worked there as a rigger. And these are people who hold in their hands all the treasures of the museum both in the halls and in the storerooms. Wouldn't you like to wander through the vaults, sort out these riches with your own hands? I knew some of the museum staff. A funny episode, in the late 70s, electricians on Fridays arranged gatherings in the basements. Gentlemen's set - each brought his drawing, poetry and prose, of course, a bottle. This is a touch of the habitat.
                    One of the mystical stories of the Hermitage is the Wax Person. The wooden frame on which the emperor's costume is dressed. The head is a wax mask of Peter. Peter was tall, but he was not a hero. It looks like today's basketball players - clumsy in everyday life, but dexterous and plastic in the game. According to one of the legends, the emperor gets up from his chair at night and walks through the halls of the Winter Palace, appearing in the perspective of enfilades and corridors. Such a story exists. To be honest, the features of this strange building can give food for ghost stories. When visitors leave and the lights go out, you can hear sounds like light running steps in the dark, a slightly perceptible breath of a cold breeze, glare in the distance and shadows. There are quite earthly explanations for this, but a sensitive nature can be influenced.
                    So this is what we see in the Peter and Paul Fortress - the third incarnation: Peter-wax person - the feeling of a mystical character of a wax person. Exaggerated distortion of proportions - emphasizes unnaturalness and size - "giantness", monumentality of the character.
                    And by the way, Shemyakin does not mind having sculptures sitting on his knees.
                    In short, Konstantin, it seems to me that if a real specialist told you about the author and this work, maybe you would not be so categorical in your assessment.
                    A trifling answer, but so many letters turned out.
                  2. +2
                    23 January 2023 12: 08
                    "I never thought that I needed to know the artist's biography in order for me to like his work. This also applies to literature."
                    Okay, Konstantin. You are not serious. For me, for example, it is indisputable that great Russian literature cannot be understood without studying the literary process, including the biographies of Pushkin, Blok, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Derzhavin, Krylov ....
                2. +1
                  22 January 2023 20: 32
                  I also think that Shemyakin is saturated with the city. Otherwise, there would be no monument to the first builders and sphinxes, opposite the "Crosses".
        4. +6
          22 January 2023 12: 55
          Thank you, Anton. smile
          I remember that this monument was even used by some new chronologist to prove his crazy theories. Say, Suvorov is Hannibal or something like that. laughing
          1. +5
            22 January 2023 16: 18
            In this case, the photograph given by me should be called: "Prince Alexander Vasilyevich Barka cuts the trolleybus wires, in the light of the Highest Command for the implementation of the transport reform."
            1. +4
              22 January 2023 19: 12
              And what, students are able to write in the reports, something like: "The Botanical Garden was founded by Peter the Great after the end of the Great Patriotic War."

              I explain how such a compote turned out - the history of two botanical gardens is mixed - and, please, - the latest chronology.
              1. +2
                22 January 2023 19: 48
                Vagants can write anything. It's only decades later that you find out what kind of crap you were in your youth. However, no regrets.
                1. +1
                  22 January 2023 20: 01
                  And every year - all new facets of masterpiece formation.
                  1. +2
                    22 January 2023 20: 16
                    Sorry, Seryozha, sometimes it breaks me to mourn the unlived life.
                    1. +1
                      22 January 2023 20: 49
                      You know, in my opinion, most students do not even understand their capabilities.

                      Another thing is that they start working zealously. After all, the scholarship is symbolic.

                      You know, I still have a lot of plans. This is despite the fact that the habit of restraining oneself has not gone anywhere.

                      “How few roads have been traveled” (c).
              2. +4
                22 January 2023 19: 53
                And what, students ways to write


                For example: "Anna Karenina rode in a carriage with her butt up" (c)
                1. +2
                  22 January 2023 20: 02
                  I also use this, telling how Steve Oblonsky Forest sold. So they don't read. The program includes only "War and Peace".
      2. +5
        22 January 2023 11: 46
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        In St. Petersburg, between the Field of Mars and the Trinity Bridge, there is a monument to Suvorov

        Well, this is just an allegory, equivalent to the image of Suvorov in Brezhnev's marshal's uniform with all his awards ... In the case of Theodoric, the sculptor, it seems to me, wanted to convey the real image of the king ...
        1. +5
          22 January 2023 13: 45
          The monument does not say "allegory", it says "Suvorov". laughing
          But seriously, you are right, of course.
          I googled this sculpture here - it was created by Peter Fischer senior in 1512-13.
          There is also King Arthur nearby, made in the same manner.

          In principle, the armor is just that time. What the author saw on the kings of his time - he depicted such.
          1. +2
            22 January 2023 14: 46
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            There is also King Arthur nearby, made in the same manner. What the author saw on the kings of his time - he depicted such

            It seems that the author baked such "masterpieces" like hot cakes. Reminiscent of a resort where they sell postcards of some attraction depicted from different angles ...
            1. +3
              22 January 2023 15: 07
              It's funny, now I noticed - Fischer depicted Arthur with the coat of arms of the last Plantagenets on the shield. Angevin lions and Capetian lilies. But what kind of image on the shield of Theodoric is not clear to me. There is a feeling that I have seen him somewhere before and know him well, but I can’t catch him.
              It looks like the king of spades in the classic version. Who is considered the historical prototype of the King of Spades?
              1. +3
                22 January 2023 18: 36
                Fisher portrayed Arthur

                Dürer portrayed them. And the Fishers were cast in bronze. Presumably Arthur is the Younger, and Theodoric is the Elder.
      3. +4
        22 January 2023 13: 47
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Quote: Luminman
        Or is it just a sculptor's fantasy?

        In St. Petersburg, between the Field of Mars and the Trinity Bridge, there is a monument to Suvorov. I could not insert a photo, but you can try to find it on the net. You will be surprised. smile

        Nothing surprising. A.V. Suvorov initially decided to sculpt the god of war - Mars.
  7. +7
    22 January 2023 09: 54
    It has a huge exhibition hall, where aircraft are exhibited in many

    There is even a completely unique exhibit there - the German three-engine transport Junkers-52, probably the only surviving specimen!

    In the photo on the left, this exhibit is clearly visible. As for the uniqueness - six copies of the aircraft still flying today. And there are 24 museum exhibits. Most of all, of course, in Germany - 9 units.
    1. +6
      22 January 2023 10: 28
      Moreover, here you can see the uniforms of Nicholas I, Alexander II, Alexander III


      The perspective in the picture is somewhat broken - it is difficult to fit all three uniforms in the frame.
      1. +5
        22 January 2023 11: 45
        it is difficult to fit all three uniforms in the frame.
        Permanent exhibitions are often difficult for visitors to photograph. But at temporary exhibitions, luck sometimes smiles, and quite by accident. Another Maximilian armor.



        1. +6
          22 January 2023 11: 52
          What chic Nuremberg armor ...
          1. +3
            22 January 2023 12: 18
            Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
            Not quite Nuremberg, but, yes, a Bavarian work. Landshut, first third of the XNUMXth century. I specially took a close-up gorget with a brand, maybe someone will determine the master ...
            By the way, I publish photos for the first time, but I sent them to you.
            1. +3
              22 January 2023 12: 45
              Someone seems to have reached Innsbruck)
              I don't understand labels at all.
              You can see here
              http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=25341
              or here
              https://www.gutenberg.org/files/60767/60767-h/60767-h.htm
              1. +3
                22 January 2023 13: 00
                Someone seems to have reached Innsbruck)
                In what sense?
                Thank you for the links!
                1. +3
                  22 January 2023 13: 07
                  In what sense?

                  It's like Ambras Castle in Innsbruck. One of the last rooms of the Upper Castle. In the background is a reproduction of the triumphal arch based on Dürer's drawings.
                  Or the organizers of the exhibition were inspired by Innsbruck
                  1. +6
                    22 January 2023 13: 31
                    Everything is much more prosaic, this is the Nikolaevsky Hall of the Hermitage. But the second assumption is quite likely, the exhibition was dedicated to the 550th anniversary of Dürer. By the way, there is indeed a reproduction of the arch in Innsbruck, the original drawings are in Russia.
                    1. +4
                      22 January 2023 13: 42
                      Everything is much more prosaic, this is the Nikolaevsky Hall of the Hermitage.

                      Simple as that.
            2. +2
              22 January 2023 15: 38
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
              Not quite Nuremberg, but, yes, a Bavarian work. Landshut, first third of the XNUMXth century. I specially took a close-up gorget with a brand, maybe someone will determine the master ...
              By the way, I publish photos for the first time, but I sent them to you.

              And thanks again for that. But my computer won't open them. He writes - he does not have enough memory. A lie, dog. I expanded his memory. And anyway. So I kind of have them, and kind of don't.
              1. +1
                22 January 2023 16: 09
                Here is after all pancake, an ambush! Do you have WhatsApp?
        2. +3
          22 January 2023 13: 56
          Permanent exhibitions are often difficult for visitors to photograph.

          They are often not allowed to be photographed at all. And you can’t take a tripod, a set of lenses, a lens hood for shooting through glass and other photo devices with you on a business trip. Therefore, you have to use what is at hand, sometimes "offhand".
          1. +4
            22 January 2023 14: 10
            They are often not allowed to be photographed at all.
            I guess I'm used to good things. For several years now, the Hermitage has canceled the photo collection, turned off the flash and at least take a picture!
            1. +1
              22 January 2023 14: 28
              The Hermitage has canceled a photo collection for several years

              With all due respect, the Hermitage is not a Mecca in terms of the collection of medieval armor.
              1. +3
                22 January 2023 14: 33
                Absolutely agree! But this instance is from the storerooms, which is what is interesting.
  8. +10
    22 January 2023 10: 47
    Good thing I don't work at the museum...

    Of course, for fun, I would raise a completely different finger on the glove)))
    1. +6
      22 January 2023 11: 47
      You can mark the days of the week this way. And with the help of combinations you can get enlightenment. And the benefit immediately becomes darling.
  9. +4
    22 January 2023 11: 49
    Quote: Senior Sailor
    for fun, I would raise a completely different finger on the glove

    Strongly said! wink
  10. +7
    22 January 2023 12: 13
    By the way, not so much is known about children's armor.

    There is information, but it is scattered over a mass of different sources, such as descriptions of museum collections, which are difficult to access.
    For example, the Royal Armories Museum has a whole collection of children's armor and weapons, which includes more than forty items. They even held a thematic exhibition and published a book with a detailed description of all the exhibits.


    Armor of Henry Frederick Stewart, Prince of Wales from the collection of the Royal Armories Museum.
  11. +2
    22 January 2023 21: 36
    Top of the handle. Richly decorated with gilding and a notch of gold wire. Its weight balanced the weight of the blade

    And these tops were not hollow by chance?
    something like that pops into my mind...
  12. +1
    23 January 2023 17: 59
    Great article. If I remember correctly, three-quarter armor was worn not only by pistols, cuirassiers, but also landsknechts.
    If I'm wrong, I hope dear Vyacheslav will correct me.
    It's just that there is an idea to make a couple of landsknechts, one of which is in armor.
    1. 0
      23 January 2023 23: 13
      If I remember correctly, three-quarter armor was worn not only by pistols, cuirassiers, but also landsknechts.

      Remember right.

      Three-quarter armor of the Ladsknecht from the Old Tower Collection. Made in Germany, 1555 - 1565 Weight - 15,79 kg.

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