Russian expert: Those leaders who previously succeeded in forcible Ukrainization are guilty of the so-called famine

After the start of the Russian NWO, the United States and its allies use any information occasion or even historical an event to discredit our country and accuse it of bias against Ukrainians.

In particular, one of the topics that began to be actively promoted in the West was the so-called "Holodomor" - the allegedly conscious policy of the party elite of the USSR, aimed at the destruction of ethnic Ukrainians in the early 30s of the last century.

It is worth noting that at the end of last year, the "genocide of the Ukrainian people" by the Soviet authorities was recognized by the European Parliament. Earlier, a similar resolution was voted in the Bundestag and in the parliaments of a number of European countries.

Obviously, for the collective West, the so-called "Holodomor" is just a tool for "demonizing" Russia, which is the legal successor of the USSR. But was there a "genocide" in fact, experts argue in Arkady Mamontov's program "Traces of the Empire".

According to Oleksandr Krushelnytsky, Candidate of Historical Sciences, the genocide of ethnic Ukrainians is out of the question. In the 30s of the last century, a famine broke out on the territory of the USSR, which covered the main grain-growing regions of the Soviet Union. It is not only about the Ukrainian SSR. Moreover, according to the historian, in percentage terms, the territories of the RSFSR suffered much more.

A similar opinion is shared by the deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, publicist Anatoly Wasserman. He recalled that the famine in the USSR was the result of a confluence of several circumstances at once, and this disaster affected the territory from modern Kazakhstan to Ukraine.

However, as the politician put it, the fact that the Ukrainian SSR suffered seriously from the famine of 1932-1933 is due to a very specific reason.

When the state began to take emergency measures to eliminate the consequences of the famine, it was precisely those leaders who had previously succeeded most in forcible Ukrainization who coped with these measures worst of all.

- explained Wasserman.

What exactly happened in 1932-1933 is analyzed by experts in the Traces of Empire program:

Comments

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Ukranization, uzbekization and other ation is one of the propaganda stamps of the post-Soviet capitalist ideology. In fact, there was only a requirement for those who worked with the indigenous population of the republics, territories, autonomies, that is, officials, trade workers, executive authorities, and so on, to know the language of the indigenous population. Quite a fair demand. Just as it was fair for him to also speak Russian as the language of interethnic communication.

[Chief Officer Lom]

Other -ations you came up with. A Russian could not become an Uzbek, but to force a Russian to be called a Ukrainian is quite. And from what hangover was the Ukrainian dialect the language of the indigenous population in New Russia? Yes, and in most of the rest of the territory, called the Ukrainian Republic, the indigenous population were Russians. It is stupid to deny that what is now called "positive discrimination" in the USA was carried out in the USSR.

[MBRSS]

to force a Russian to be called a Ukrainian is quite.

no one forced in the USSR. Everyone was free to enter in the passport the nationality that he liked. Documents could also be drawn up in Russian. Conclusion: there was no forced Ukrainization. At least, I did not observe it when I lived for some time in the VNA.

[Sergej1972]

Not true, a person automatically received the nationality of the parents. If the parents had different nationalities, then upon reaching the age of majority, one could choose the nationality of one of the parents. Therefore, for example, the son of a Belarusian and a Jewess, who recognizes himself as a Russian, was forced to register as either a Jew or a Belarusian.

[Foul skeptic]

Not true, a person automatically received the nationality of the parents.

The first document of a person is a birth certificate. And in it until 1948 there was no column "nationality". How did "automatic receipt" take place during the period of "Ukrainization"?

[Victor jnnjdfy]

Not a fact, dear teacher. I read your comments with interest. Grandfather was recorded before the war (1939) as a Ukrainian or Belarusian. After his native Malorita on the Belarusian-Ukrainian border became part of the BSSR, he began to write only in Belarusian. Grandmother, who is half Ukrainian, always recorded as Ukrainian. They lived in Moscow and all the children were Russian according to the documents. My mother (the youngest child in the family) was born in XNUMX in an evacuation in the Urals. Also Russian according to the documents.

[anykin]

I did not live in VNA, but in 1991 I encountered a 20-year-old guy with VNA who wondered whether to follow the current policy and change the end of his last name from OV to KO in his passport

[mister-red]

Quote: MBRBS

to force a Russian to be called a Ukrainian is quite.

no one forced in the USSR. Everyone was free to enter in the passport the nationality that he liked. Documents could also be drawn up in Russian. Conclusion: there was no forced Ukrainization. At least, I did not observe it when I lived for some time in the VNA.

You see, dear, Ukrainization was carried out so long ago that few people survived who can contribute to it. The main wave is the 20-30s of the Mute 50s. So you couldn't see anything.

[Eugene Zaboy]

Is it:

How do you think these publications of Ukrainian newspapers should be assessed.

Not only did they slightly Ukrainize individual citizens, but they registered entire cities and even provinces as Ukrainians without asking anyone, but simply issued new passports with Ukrainian citizenship and a surname.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

What is the credibility of your pictures? In our time, slapping up such "evidence" is a trifling matter.
Here's an example.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I understand that you have heard enough of the current liberal propaganda. The main point of which is to cheat the USSR in order to appear better against this background. The fact that the Russians were allegedly forced to call themselves Ukrainians is sheer nonsense.
And if you already mentioned the USA, then the "melting pot" of nations also worked in the USSR. By 1991, the phenomenon when representatives of the nations inhabiting the USSR switched exclusively to Russian and abandoned their native language even in everyday life became widespread. And national schools left lost popularity.

[Chief Officer Lom]

Forced Ukrainization was mainly before the war. And at that time, imagine, passports were just appearing, because in Tsarist Russia the population did not have passports in the modern sense, the identity was certified by the "mir", or the gentleman, the local representative of power. A passport was issued when wealthy citizens traveled abroad (of course, not to peasants - why should they go abroad, so the owner wrote out a similar paper, which they could also call a passport, it gave the right to temporarily go to another place in the country to work), now the passport performs the same function . Therefore, it was possible to enter any nationality, since the parents did not have passports either. The main thing is that the appearance is suitable. In general, by modern standards, there was a mess, for example, in order to avoid the arrest of the NKVD, it was enough to move to another part of the country. And of course, no one forced to call himself a Ukrainian then. And Ukrainization-was. Who does not understand how - read about the personnel policy on a national basis in the USSR, especially before the Second World War, or ask about the meaning of the term "positive discrimination". And if you are completely too lazy, then it was more profitable for a Ukrainian, just like it is now gay in the USA. Naturally, the benefits were different, according to the Soviet, but they explain the meaning of the term. And I really think it’s easier to change nationality to a kindred one for the sake of a career than orientation or gender ....

[vovochkarzhevsky]

In the USSR, it was beneficial to be a national cadre, but this did not apply to Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians. Do not produce liberal entities.

[Grancer81]

Would you like to say that in the Russian Empire, persons of peasant origin did not travel abroad?

[Region-25.rus]

Would you like to say that in the Russian Empire, persons of peasant origin did not travel abroad?

Do not confuse thick with soft! Namely, to give out class origin (for example, peasant) for belonging to a class at the moment - came out of the peasantry - made his way to a higher class - got rich - went beyond the cordon and - just a peasant who went abroad is the difference clear?

[rocket757]

According to Oleksandr Krushelnytsky, Candidate of Historical Sciences, the genocide of ethnic Ukrainians is out of the question. In the 30s of the last century, a famine broke out on the territory of the USSR, which covered the main grain-growing regions of the Soviet Union. It is not only about the Ukrainian SSR. Moreover, according to the historian, in percentage terms, the territories of the RSFSR suffered much more.

. The famine was, as it had happened before, as it had happened many times, in many places ...
In the USSR, and then there were lean years, but the Soviet leadership did not allow such catastrophic consequences as they had before.

[Fangaro]

"Holodomor" is scary, of course. But rarely on our planet, any government, well, or power, its actions "for all the good against all the bad" turned to a certain territory or a certain part of the population of their country.
One can recall the "night of long knives", "St. Bartholomew's night", "genocide in Cambodia", "extermination of Indians in North America".
In Soviet Russia, people suffered from hunger in Ukraine, and in the Volga region, and in the Black Earth region, and in the North-West. And in Siberia, it is unlikely that they suffered from obesity at that time.

[Nick2591]

In my village in Ukraine, people who survived the 33rd year called this time a hunger strike. The word "holodomor" was coined in the State Department just at the time when new states were formed after the collapse of the USSR. Even then, the tireless Americans immediately began to turn Ukraine into anti-Russia. The State Department report included Ukrainians from Canada and the United States who had never lived in Soviet Ukraine as witnesses to the Holodomor. And the main culprit of the Holodomor was, unsurprisingly, the United States. In 33 they had a big crop failure. And in the same year, the payments of the USSR state debt to the states under the industrialization program fell. Roosevelt ultimatum demanded that Stalin pay the debt in food grains.
Stalin then shipped 12 million tons of grain to the states.

[Konnick]

Commentators, the film is an hour and a half long, and you are already commenting in a few minutes.

[Dead duck]

What positive can be from the transfer if it is led by Mamontov ?!
It also shows through in all directions that the USSR is to blame for everything and the dominance of evil.
ps he drowns for the regime, the monarchy and capital all over the world ...

[Konnick]

Video discussion led by ardent Orthodox anti-communist Mamontov. He directed the discussion along the lines of -
Collectivization and the Bolsheviks in the Holodomor are to blame for everything. Moreover, a famine was declared throughout the USSR. Nonsense soyuachy, even in Ukraine, not in all areas there was a famine. It’s just that the mentality of the Ukrainians was like this, why would I take my bull to the collective farm, I’d rather slaughter him, and sell the meat on the market, and let the neighbor lead his bull to the collective farm, and the neighbor himself is not stupid, he not only slaughtered the bull, but also buried the grain in the garden. As a result of this cunning, Ukraine was left without the opportunity to carry out the sowing campaign, besides, they were overfed with ergot-infected grain and caught LSD glitches. In Russia, even in the non-Chernozem Volga region, there was no famine, but in the Kuban, in Ukrainian, unlike Russian, there was a village. The slaughter of livestock in the RSFSR was severely suppressed, although there was no such need, the Russian village has always lived in a community, and unlike the sole farm way of life in Ukraine.
In general, in this film, the odious monarchist Mamontov was turned on the communists, industrialization and collectivization are to blame. And my grandmother told me that they ate plenty of white bread only when they were already on the collective farm and they didn’t have any hunger ..

[ch28k38]

I understand that if you don't like the facts, then they should be declared propaganda. A woman from near Kazan worked with me, they left for Leningrad with difficulty, since the famine in the Volga region was already in 1953.

[svoroponov]

These are her words, not facts. You believed her. And if she lied or there was a reason to leave from there, for example, she was a dependent at that time and, accordingly, she could not have prosperity. Yes, and the war ended only after 8 years and there was no abundance anywhere. If they themselves did not live with her and did not see this, then there may not be complete trust in her words. People sometimes just come down with some kind of their own interests.

[Eugene Zaboy]

Based on the fact that the same characters were responsible for Ukrainization and the Holodomor, then everything is correct. Certainly doubtful data from Ukrainian sources, but nonetheless.

In 2013, the M.V. Ptukha Institute of Demography and Social Research of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine held an international scientific conference "Famine in Ukraine in the first half of the 1921th century: causes and results (1923-1932, 1933-1946, 1947-1932)", where estimates of demographic losses as a result of the famine of 1933-3 were published: the excess number of deaths of the population of Ukraine amounted to 917,8 million 3 thousand people, Russia - 264,6 million 1 thousand people, Kazakhstan - 258,2 million 8 thousand people, in total throughout the entire territory of the USSR - 731,9 million 1932 thousand people. The relative losses from the famine of 1933-22,42 were the highest in Kazakhstan - 12,92%, in Ukraine - 3,17%, in Russia - 5,42%, on average in the USSR - XNUMX%

“According to American statistics, over the decade from 1931 to 1940, in terms of population growth, the United States lost no less than 8 million 553 thousand people, and population growth rates change immediately, simultaneously, two (!) times exactly at the turn of 1930 / 31 years old, they fall and freeze at this level for exactly ten years ... There is no explanation for this in the extensive, hundreds of pages, text of the US Department of commerce report "Statistical Abstract of the United States" does not contain "

Based on the US data, we are seeing a famine on a global scale, and not a separate famine in Ukraine. Especially when you consider that Lviv was occupied by Poland and there, as well as throughout Poland, there was also famine.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from Eugene Zaboy

Based on the US data, we are seeing a famine on a global scale, and not a separate famine in Ukraine.

That's right, but for some reason, our side weakly pumps this topic in the opposite direction and always takes the "justifying" side. It is necessary to beat them in their own faces with the same facts confirming the "Holodomor" in their own countries. Here is a good article on the subject
https://201day.wordpress.com/2017/05/29/голодомор-в-разных-европе-и-сша/?wref=tp

[svoroponov]

You're right. Therefore, the States did not conduct a census for a long time, since the losses due to hunger were very significant. and to show it to the world meant to undermine faith in the United States. By the way, in the States at that time there was an overproduction of food. But they did not let him in to help the starving, but simply destroyed most of them.

[Sibiryak70region]

I watched this show. Bagdasaryan, Wasserman and three anti-Soviet crystal bakers. They also cut moments with Spitsyn when he began to say things unpleasant to them

[Ivan Ivanov_7]

And who is to blame for the Holodomor in Galicia? Who is to blame for the famine in Europe in the US? Probably also Stalin?

[Nikolay Malyugin]

Everyone beats around the bush. They pull out some kind of national theories. Was there a mistake in the food program? Was. In 1932, the country entered the zero cycle. That is, export-import began to equal zero. And this was at the time when collectivization was started. That is, the flow of grain to the centers was disrupted. Literally all the republics of the USSR suffered. This happens when the desired is ahead of the actual.

[Grancer81]

I always want to understand .... How did the so-called "Holodomor" distinguish the so-called "Ukrainians" from people of other nationalities? Did you check your passport or ask for another document?

[Patriot_of Russia]

There was no special desire to destroy the Ukrainians. Everyone then suffered, both Russians and Ukrainians and Kazakhs