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Lies and cynicism of the Kyiv regime: the incident with the Kh-22 missile in Dnepropetrovsk

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Lies and cynicism of the Kyiv regime: the incident with the Kh-22 missile in Dnepropetrovsk
Consequences of hitting a downed missile. Photo by Wikimedia Commons



On the afternoon of January 14, the Russian armed forces delivered another massive strike with high-precision weapons on objects of the military and related energy infrastructure of the Kyiv regime. The fire impact of enemy anti-aircraft weapons led to the fact that one of the missiles did not reach its intended target and hit a residential building. This incident again showed the dubious methods of combat work of the Ukrainian formations and the extremely low level of their training. In addition, as a result of it, Ukrainian propaganda again came into conflict with itself.

The development of events


The incident occurred on January 14 in the afternoon local time. The Russian rocket flew to the intended target - one of the energy facilities in the city of Dnepropetrovsk. Right above the city, it was knocked out by an unidentified anti-aircraft complex of Ukrainian formations.

Due to the fire impact, the rocket was damaged and left the calculated trajectory. Ammunition or its fragments crashed into a multi-storey residential building. Undermining the warhead led to significant destruction and loss of life.

Literally a few minutes after this incident, Ukrainian official structures announced a “war crime” against the Russian army. As quickly as possible, Ukrainian and loyal foreign media joined such accusations. At the same time, almost no attention was paid to the causes of the incident.

On the evening of the same day, the notorious Ukrainian propagandist A. Arestovich spoke about the course of events and the causes of the incident. He stated that a Russian missile was intercepted over the city by local air defense. Having received damage, the ammunition fell on a random house and exploded.


X-22 missiles on external sling Tu-22M3. Photo by Wikimedia Commons

Following the incident


The next day, the command of the Ukrainian Air Force, responsible for air defense, hastened to refute this version. It reported that an X-22 missile hit the house, and special attention was paid to its type. The command claims that the Ukrainian formations do not have anti-aircraft weapons capable of coping with such an air target.

The official statement indicates that only modern foreign air defense systems, such as the Patriot PAC-22 or SAMP / T, can handle the Kh-3. Naturally, in this context, as always, they did not forget to recall the need to supply foreign equipment.

It should be recalled that in recent months the Ukrainian command has regularly reported successful intercepts of Russian missiles. Sometimes such "statistics" contradicts common sense and arithmetic. Among the targets hit, Kh-22 cruise missiles of the Russian long-range aviation. These “facts” were quickly remembered in the blogosphere, and the Kyiv regime had to react.

The spokesman for the "air force" said that previous reports of the interception of X-22 products were erroneous - even if they were published by official Ukrainian structures. He blamed the appearance of such messages on military personnel who are in a hurry to show off their successes as quickly as possible, "without checking and without coordinating" the information. The Air Force Command is said to be trying to combat these phenomena.


The Tu-22M3 bomber takes off with the X-22 product. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Thus, Kyiv's official position now is that its formations cannot shoot down Kh-22 missiles. Therefore, he needs foreign air defense systems capable of coping with such goals. For disagreement with such a position and the announcement of contradictory information, the Office of the President said goodbye to A. Arestovich - although he repented and agreed with the official position.

A few days later, the incident in Dnepropetrovsk was discussed in the UN Security Council. In response to all the accusations of foreign states, the representative of Russia, Vasily Nebenzya, recalled the true circumstances of the incident. In addition, he pointed out that the placement of air defense systems among residential areas was a prerequisite for the destruction of the house - a direct violation of international humanitarian law.

Technical aspects


The Kh-22 product is an air-launched cruise missile and is currently used only by Tu-22M3 long-range bombers. It is a 11,6 m long projectile aircraft with a fuselage less than 1 m long, equipped with a delta wing and a four-plane tail. Starting weight - approx. 5,8 tons

The rocket is equipped with a dual-mode liquid engine using TG-02 fuel and an oxidizer based on nitric acid. With its help, flight is carried out at speeds up to Mach 3,5 and altitudes of at least 20-22 km. Tanks with a total volume of more than 4 cubic meters. m provide a flight range of up to 600 km, depending on the selected profile.

The main modifications of the X-22 missile, created in the seventies, were completed with active or passive radar homing heads of various types. With their help, guidance was provided on a radio-contrast or emitting target, mobile or stationary. First of all, large enemy warships were considered as targets for the Kh-22.


The defeat of the Ukrainian air defense system. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Several combat units were developed. The main one was a 690-kg high-explosive-cumulative, capable of hitting ships. There is also a high-explosive fragmentation of a smaller mass. The possibility of equipping the X-22 product with a special warhead with a power of up to 1 Mt was envisaged.

The X-22 product has long been considered obsolete. It is quite difficult to operate, and the old types of GOS are actually not protected from modern jamming tools. In addition, the X-22 at one time influenced the development of air defense systems, both domestic and foreign. As a result, almost any modern radar station is capable of detecting and tracking a large missile, and an air defense system of a number of classes can hit such a target in almost any part of the trajectory.

In 2016, the Kh-32 cruise missile, a deeply modernized version of the Kh-22, was put into service. The main differences are in the use of modern radio-electronic systems, which are characterized by increased performance and resistance to interference. Whether the Kh-32s were used as part of the Special Operation is unknown. Information about this has so far appeared only in foreign media and has not received confirmation.

Air Defense Issues


As a result of Russian forced demilitarization and foreign military assistance, the Kyiv regime now has not the most numerous, but very diverse air defense. A variety of samples are in service - from foreign SRIS-T or NASAMS MANPADS to outdated versions of the Soviet S-300V / P or Buk systems. In addition, in connection with regular missile and unmanned strikes, local "craftsmen" are trying to invent other air defense systems.

It is easy to see that Ukraine has several systems at once that can deal with obsolete Kh-22 missiles. Therefore, the version about the defeat of a residential building due to an unsuccessful interception of an air target looks realistic. It can be assumed that our Ministry of Defense has the relevant data of objective control, but has not yet disclosed them.


The British-made Stormer HVM self-propelled air defense system is one example of foreign assistance in the field of air defense. Photo Telegram / Bmpd

The position of the Kyiv regime in the current situation looks doubtful. In recent months, the Ukrainian military has repeatedly reported the successful interception of Kh-22 products. Now it suddenly “turned out” that these episodes never happened. It is noteworthy that such details became known only now, when the result of another unsuccessful interception was significant destruction and loss of life. For the sake of being able to accuse Russia of another “war crime”, Kyiv abandoned several previous “victories”.

In general, the situation looks clear and predictable. Ukrainian formations once again deployed military equipment, in this case, radar and air defense systems, in the city. In fact, they hid behind the local population and civilian infrastructure. From a similar position, they tried to shoot down a flying missile. The air target was hit, but it happened over the city - with well-known consequences.

It should be noted that this is not the first time that Ukrainian air defense has damaged urban areas and infrastructure. Anti-aircraft missiles hit houses and property damage is regularly reported. In addition, surrounding objects fall under the stream of fragments. Casualties and destruction can be avoided, but for this, the air defense systems will have to be deployed outside the city, where they are an easy target for Russian strikes.

All this demonstrates the low level of planning and preparation of air defense. In addition, as noted by the Russian representative to the UN, the deployment of anti-aircraft systems in cities is a violation of international humanitarian law.

However, the cynicism of the Kyiv regime does not end there. Destruction and casualties are now being used as another grievance and as an opportunity to solicit foreign SAMs. At the same time, outright lies sound, incl. in the form of a rejection of their own statements and attempts to rewrite the past. In addition, due to discrepancies in the versions, they even kicked out the odious figure.

With special cynicism


Thus, the Kyiv regime and its armed formations once again confirmed a well-known fact: they pose a danger not only to the Donbass, but also to the Ukrainian population. Air defense units and other military branches cynically hide behind civilians and urban development - and often they themselves inflict damage on them. The recent incident in Dnepropetrovsk differs from the previous ones only in that the residential building was hit not by an anti-aircraft missile, but by a downed Russian Kh-22.

At the same time, the Kyiv regime and its foreign patrons habitually use these events for propaganda purposes and to justify new arms deliveries. It can be expected that foreign countries will satisfy some of Kyiv's requests. And new models of weapons for air defense will again become a threat to the Ukrainian population.
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  1. Lelik76
    Lelik76 19 January 2023 05: 08
    +9
    This is a projectile 11,6 length m with fuselage less than 1 m long, equipped with a delta wing and tail unit with four planes.

    Is it like that?
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 19 January 2023 05: 58
      +9
      Quote: Lelik76
      with a fuselage length of less than 1 m

      Typo. Rocket diameter - 0,94 m.
      1. Machito
        Machito 19 January 2023 06: 56
        +17
        The US and NATO bombed many countries, wiped them off the map, razed many cities to the ground, killed millions of people after the collapse of the USSR, and we are making excuses for hitting a single missile in a residential building. What is the Terpil position of our Foreign Ministry?
        Of course, it’s a pity for civilians, but these are our non-brothers, who teach their children from kindergarten to cut Rusnya (raise future fascists). Ukrovermacht is deliberately hiding behind the civilian population, deliberately placing heavy weapons in residential areas, knowing that we are protecting the civilian population, while losing our soldiers. How did NATO deal with such cases in Iraq and Syria, for example? Arranged carpet bombing of cities, destroying hundreds of thousands of people. This is different. They can, we can't. Russia is big: women will give birth to more soldiers. They don't spoil. We are dying. There is nothing to feel sorry for others. You have to pity yours. And feed normally, and not tighten your belts so that you don’t fart or sigh. Women give birth to children when they have a place to live and what to eat.
        Lyusya Arestovich was brought to the Peacemaker website. I hope that the Eurofascists will put him against the wall. He deserved it. am
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 19 January 2023 09: 06
          +2
          Quote: Bearded
          The US and NATO bombed many countries, wiped them off the map, razed many cities to the ground, killed millions of people after the collapse of the USSR, and we are making excuses for hitting a single missile in a residential building.

          That's always touched by a similar position! When the Americans bombed a wedding in Afghanistan or destroyed Dresden, they, pigs, etc., and when we had such a mistake, we nod at what they mean, but we can’t?
          Quote: Bearded
          We are dying. There is nothing to feel sorry for others. You have to pity yours.

          I agree with you, but maybe it's better to start with affordable and free medicine? From the fact that women would not be afraid to give birth to children, because it is not known how much it will cost to feed, treat and teach their children?
          one of the missiles did not reach its intended target and hit a residential building

          This is a fait accompli and there's nothing you can do about it, excuses like
          The fire impact of enemy anti-aircraft weapons led to the fact that ... This incident again showed the dubious methods of combat work of Ukrainian formations and the extremely low level of their training.
          Does not work! A residential building was destroyed, a civilian died, that's all! And if bridges, railways and roads, through which Western weapons are supplied, were bombed, military enterprises such as Yuzhmash, ports, such as the port of Odessa, there would be more sense and they would not get into residential buildings!
          1. not the one
            not the one 19 January 2023 09: 30
            +9
            can it be better to start with affordable and free medicine?
            Oh .. Your words, yes to God's ears ...
            And if they bombed bridges, railways and roads through which Western weapons arrive, military enterprises such as Yuzhmash, ports, such as the port of Odessa, there would be more sense
            And those words are there.
          2. Hypertension
            Hypertension 19 January 2023 11: 58
            -4
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            we nod at what it means they can, but we can’t?

            We can. Americans are wrong in considering themselves "exceptional". This is not true. It is we who are "highly spiritual" and "light". It is we who must dictate our values ​​to the world.
            We are conducting NWO for peace to come. Putin said exactly that. Orwell nods approvingly.
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            but maybe it's better to start with affordable and free medicine? From the fact that women would not be afraid to give birth to children, because it is not known how much it will cost to feed, treat and teach their children?

            Will not work. The cult of death and sacrifice is not broadcast to the masses for that. As Solovyov said: "Life is overrated." In such a time, what else is medicine and education? Three parochial classes and a NVP course are enough for a true patriot.
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                1. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 19 January 2023 12: 43
                  -2
                  Quote: Hyperion
                  What he meant by that is unclear. But it looks like the Americans and Europeans are stirring up something again...

                  Everyone stirs up, the usual imperialist slaughter is being prepared. The only question is what scale it will be, because nuclear weapons are available, and many countries have them. Strictly speaking, all this is a confrontation between the two leading imperialists, the US and China, Europe has been sacrificed to this, therefore they are trying to create a "belt of instability" around China. The conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine fits well into this canvas.
                  PS And what Remarque said is very clear, and it is very appropriate for us to recall this today.
                  1. Stanislav_Shishkin
                    Stanislav_Shishkin 19 January 2023 13: 10
                    +8
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    "belt of instability" around China. The conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine fits well into this canvas.
                    And why are we fighting with Ukraine, and not India, Mongolia or North. Korea? But the imperialists do not know geography ... "Ski resort in Rostov", etc.
                    1. alekseykabanets
                      alekseykabanets 19 January 2023 14: 31
                      0
                      Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                      And why are we fighting with Ukraine, and not India, Mongolia or North. Korea?

                      Firstly, we are not at war, but we are conducting an NWO.))) Secondly, the conflict with Ukraine is the depletion of Europe's economic resources, cutting it off from cheap raw materials and flooding it with refugees, i.e. elimination of a competitor in the face of the European Union. Thirdly (or rather, firstly), the possibility, in the event of an unsuccessful course of the NWO, to turn the Russian Federation into a continuous "zone of instability" and, accordingly, deprive China (the only real competitor of the United States) of cheap resources.
                      Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                      But the imperialists do not know geography ... "Ski resort in Rostov", etc.

                      I'm afraid you don't know.
                      1. Stanislav_Shishkin
                        Stanislav_Shishkin 19 January 2023 20: 39
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        I'm afraid you don't know
                        You should be afraid that a psychiatrist from the district clinic will read your reasoning in the profile.
                      2. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 19 January 2023 22: 02
                        -1
                        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                        You should be afraid that a psychiatrist from the district clinic will read your reasoning in the profile.

                        Do you write from there? Don't be afraid. that the orderly will answer the phone?
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 19 January 2023 12: 58
              +4
              Quote: Hyperion
              We are conducting NWO for peace to come.

              Here is the proof that we really do not want war: we are at war without declaring war.
              © Karel Capek. Modern fables.
          3. nickname7
            nickname7 22 January 2023 08: 57
            0
            When the Americans bombed a wedding in Afghanistan or destroyed Dresden, they, pigs, etc., and when we had such a mistake, we nod at what they mean, but we can’t?



            The Americans bombed not only weddings, but entire cities, in particular, the city of Mossul was turned into ruins. The United States climbed onto another continent that did not threaten them and destroyed 600 thousand people, whether they scream about human rights. The Russian Federation neutralizes a hostile regime on its borders and there is collateral damage, alas.
            A residential building was destroyed, a civilian died, that's all

            Well, excuse me, this layman voted for the Nazi regime, now responsibility comes, period.

            it is better to start with affordable and free medicine

            Where did you see free under capitalism
      2. novel66
        novel66 19 January 2023 10: 10
        +4
        By the way, in the photo the plane does not take off, but sits down, there is no smoke from the tires behind the main racks during takeoff
    2. YOUR
      YOUR 19 January 2023 12: 58
      0
      Dear, Noticed a mistake
      Select the text and press Ctrl+Enter. Why litter the tape with nonsense.
      1. stankow
        stankow 19 January 2023 22: 44
        0
        Not nonsense. Where is this to be clarified, except on VO?
  2. Comrade
    Comrade 19 January 2023 05: 13
    +8
    the command of the Ukrainian Air Force responsible for air defense ... reported that a Kh-22 missile had hit the house, and special attention was paid to its type.

    It is striking that Ukraine did not provide any evidence that it was the X-22 that fell on the house. Just an unfounded statement that is ordered to be believed. Apparently, Ukrainians did not dare to fabricate fake photos.
    Here are photos, according to the Ukrainian air defense, of the wreckage of the X-22, shot down, according to them, last year.

    The population of Ukraine for the Ze team is just a consumable, as you can see once again. The air defense of Ukraine is not the first time killing its fellow citizens, and most likely not the last.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 19 January 2023 06: 02
      +1
      Quote: Comrade
      The population of Ukraine for the Ze team is just a consumable

      The population for Ze is a cover and an informational occasion. It is hard to imagine why it does not understand this itself.
      1. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 19 January 2023 06: 39
        +5
        To be honest, I don’t understand the meaning of the article. There is a war going on, and anything is possible in it. Including the death of the civilian population. How “peaceful” it is has been refuted more than once. .You yourself, for the most part, returned to Ukraine in the summer, from the "fabulous distance." I just don’t want to think that our drivers will suddenly curtail strikes on infrastructure after this incident
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 19 January 2023 07: 35
          +1
          The author's conclusion is funny: "Ukrainian air defense cynically defends ..." And our missiles, then, "valiantly strike"? winked
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 19 January 2023 09: 14
            -5
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            The author's conclusion is funny: "

            The author’s conclusion is understandable and predictable.))) The comments of pseudo-patriots who write that amers can be bombed, so we can, and when the Americans bombed a civil wedding or a hospital, they squealed what pigs they are and so on are funny. And then who are we?
            1. Stanislav_Shishkin
              Stanislav_Shishkin 19 January 2023 13: 20
              +2
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              The comments of pseudo-patriots are funny, ... when the Americans bombed a civil wedding or a hospital, they squealed what kind of pigs they were ... And then who are we?
              Boars?
            2. seamen2
              seamen2 19 January 2023 20: 53
              +3
              * who write that amers can be bombed, so we can, and when the Americans bombed a civil wedding or a hospital, they squealed what pigs they were and so on. And then who are we? *
              what does the merikans have to do with it? Ukrainians are hammering on peaceful people for a year and * the whole civilized world * it's up to the bullshit. CFE, UN and other Macrons. Well, just think, they killed the whole Alley of Angels.
              And as for the Ukrainians, it flew in - it's not good.
              Why did they decide that it was without fail a Russian rocket? Ukrainians said so. Well, then you have to believe, of course. it’s like at the beginning of the NWO they pounded into a high-rise building in Kyiv with their own anti-aircraft missile and .. they chatted the same thing. they say we are not in business, the Ryusiki rocket was, not ours.
            3. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat 20 January 2023 09: 50
              -2
              It's cool, today I read the news that in Moscow they began to install air defense systems on the roofs of buildings, obviously in order to "cynically defend" hiding "behind civilians" ... laughing
              What am I, this ... but what can stop throwing cheap agitation, counting on the fact that the audience reading this consists entirely of underdeveloped idiots?
              1. Stanislav_Shishkin
                Stanislav_Shishkin 20 January 2023 14: 12
                -1
                Quote: Monster_Fat
                in Moscow, air defense systems began to be installed on the roofs of buildings
                In residential buildings? 30 tons on a small section of the roof of a residential building?? They dragged cynicism by the ears.
            4. nickname7
              nickname7 22 January 2023 09: 20
              0
              when the Americans bombed a civilian wedding or a hospital

              The comments of the cisso agent are funny, who emphasizes the wedding and ignores the cities of Iraq bombed by the Americans, which did not threaten the United States in any way. Secondly, it is the Armed Forces of Ukraine that are shelling themselves, so that there would be sacred victims.
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 19 January 2023 12: 56
            0
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            The author's conclusion is funny: "Ukrainian air defense cynically defends ..."

            This is a classic again.
            The enemy tried to villainously bombard our planes, peacefully dropping bombs on his city.
            © Karel Capek. Modern fables.
          3. Stanislav_Shishkin
            Stanislav_Shishkin 19 January 2023 13: 47
            +3
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            The author's conclusion is funny: "Ukrainian air defense cynically defends ..."
            For you, the expression "hide behind civilians" is synonymous with the word "defend"? Troll hard. For such a hack, you can get an outfit out of turn in a cisco bot farm.
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 19 January 2023 14: 40
              -5
              Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
              For such a hack, you can get an outfit out of turn in a cisco bot farm.

              The main thing you look at is that you, at the Olginsko-Lakhtinskaya bot farm, can’t catch an outfit out of turn.)))
              Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
              For you, the expression "hide behind civilians" is synonymous with the word "defend"?

              Explain to me what it means to "cover behind the civilian population" in the context of the air defense of Ukraine?
              1. Stanislav_Shishkin
                Stanislav_Shishkin 19 January 2023 20: 01
                +2
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Explain to me what it means to "cover behind the civilian population" in the context of the air defense of Ukraine?
                Maybe you can provide a summary of the entire article. Read the article, then join someone else's discussion, even if Monster_Fat is not a stranger to you, but a comrade in arms. Do you think they found a telly in the trash - you can break into the discussion without reading? Arestovich, or whoever is going over your ears right now, will not tell you this.
                1. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 19 January 2023 22: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                  Read the article

                  I read the nonsense that you call an article, I did not see the answer to the question "what does it mean to 'cover behind the civilian population' in the context of the air defense of Ukraine." One could talk about this if this air defense crew was in a residential area and fire was fired at it, but here is a different case. Therefore, since you consider yourself so "informed" and wrote this nonsense, I ask you again
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Explain to me what it means to "cover behind the civilian population" in the context of the air defense of Ukraine?
                  1. Stanislav_Shishkin
                    Stanislav_Shishkin 20 January 2023 00: 37
                    -2
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    I read the nonsense that you call an article, I did not see the answer to the question "what does it mean to 'cover behind the civilian population' in the context of the air defense of Ukraine."
                    So reading is not for you. You are a writer, perhaps if you are an amateur (someone made you a lieutenant general).
                    1. alekseykabanets
                      alekseykabanets 20 January 2023 09: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                      So reading is not for you. You are a writer, perhaps if you are an amateur (someone made you a lieutenant general).

                      If the Internet troll has nothing to answer, he always gets personal.))) So the answer to the question will be
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Explain to me what it means to "cover behind the civilian population" in the context of the air defense of Ukraine?

                      ??
                      1. Stanislav_Shishkin
                        Stanislav_Shishkin 20 January 2023 14: 41
                        -2
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        If the Internet troll has nothing to answer, he always goes to the individual.
                        There is a
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        since you consider yourself so "informed" and wrote this nonsense, I ask again ...

                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Your idols are all sorts of Kolchaks, Denikins, skins and other Mannerheims.)
                        And in many other cases, without any basis, you get personal - they answer you. Maybe you are practicing the skills of effectively using the "complaint" button with your provocative attacks, I don't know, but I don't really care.
                  2. seamen2
                    seamen2 20 January 2023 07: 49
                    0
                    * I did not see an answer to the question "what does it mean to `hide behind the civilian population` in the context of the work of Ukraine's air defense" I did not see. One could talk about this if this air defense calculation was in a residential area and fire was fired at it, but here is another case *
                    that's how we started talking *you don't understand! this is different*. that is, the fact that this calculation is in residential development is normal. and how convenient it is *not to see* what you don't want to see.
                    1. alekseykabanets
                      alekseykabanets 20 January 2023 09: 06
                      0
                      Quote from seamen2
                      that's how we started talking *you don't understand! this is different*. that is, the fact that this calculation is in residential development is normal. and how convenient it is *not to see* what you don't want to see.

                      Did this calculation stand in a residential building and fire was fired at it? Not? Then why are you posting this nonsense?
              2. Rakovor
                Rakovor 19 January 2023 22: 03
                +1
                For the especially gifted, place launchers in residential areas.
                1. Santa Fe
                  Santa Fe 20 January 2023 05: 29
                  +5
                  For the especially gifted - place launchers

                  ZRPK Pantsir S-1 on the roof of the building of the Ministry of Defense, in the center of Moscow
                2. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 20 January 2023 09: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: Rakovor
                  For the especially gifted, place launchers in residential areas.

                  Out of place the fire was not fired according to the calculation of air defense.
    2. Snowfall
      Snowfall 19 January 2023 07: 51
      +3
      Quote: Comrade
      It is striking that Ukraine did not provide any evidence that it was the X-22 that fell on the house.

      Went in nicely, clearly. Almost vertical, see the link.
      [media=https://youtube.com/shorts/_7R7hzVs5Uo?feature=share]
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    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 January 2023 20: 37
      0
      Quote: Comrade
      the command of the Ukrainian Air Force responsible for air defense ... reported that a Kh-22 missile had hit the house, and special attention was paid to its type.

      It is striking that Ukraine did not provide any evidence that it was the X-22 that fell on the house. Just an unfounded statement that is ordered to be believed. Apparently, Ukrainians did not dare to fabricate fake photos.
      Here are photos, according to the Ukrainian air defense, of the wreckage of the X-22, shot down, according to them, last year.

      The population of Ukraine for the Ze team is just a consumable, as you can see once again. The air defense of Ukraine is not the first time killing its fellow citizens, and most likely not the last.

      Before pointing fingers at the Ukrainians, let's remember how many wreckage of Points U fell in Donetsk, and how many "downed" UAVs fell on the airfield in Engels
  3. User_neydobniu
    User_neydobniu 19 January 2023 05: 52
    +4
    Literally a few minutes after this incident, Ukrainian official structures announced a “war crime” by the Russian army.

    And what is the crime, or is it possible to strike IEDs at our homes, and we at their "war crime"?

    And what's the point of making excuses, they squealed and it's good, if I were in the place of the Moscow Region, I would have leveled their cities a long time ago
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 19 January 2023 06: 11
      +1
      long ago would level their cities with the ground

      Mommy the Conqueror
      1. User_neydobniu
        User_neydobniu 19 January 2023 07: 03
        +3
        Mommy the Conqueror

        About another grinder, mob. the reserve pulled himself up, why don’t you yourself break at the front of the uratik?
  4. svp67
    svp67 19 January 2023 06: 01
    +11
    The X-22 refuels with very toxic fuel, and in this light, how easy and natural is the behavior of people at the scene of the tragedy from the very beginning, that no one was hurt by the spray of this muck?
    Further, a house was damaged in the Pobeda residential area on the right bank, and a little further along the Dnieper, but already on the left bank, the Pridnestrovian thermal power plant, it can be assumed that the missile went to it, but again questions arise, if air defense worked on our missile, then the installation stood in urban areas.
    But most of all I have doubts about destruction. So exactly to get into the entrance of the house, you have to manage it ..., to be honest, I would not discard the possibility that these consequences "neatly" folded one entrance of the house, the consequences of a gas explosion that could explode from damage caused by a rocket hit, but a low-power air defense missile would be enough here.
    Whatever it was, but I condole with the relatives of the innocent civilians who died, especially children
    1. Asad
      Asad 19 January 2023 06: 59
      +13
      The rocket was already on approach, which means that the fuel was mostly burned out. And the remains burned down in the first minutes of the fire. I have another question, in Engels, our air defense is also incorrect if the remnants of the UAV arrive at the airfield?
      1. svp67
        svp67 19 January 2023 07: 48
        +9
        Quote: ASAD
        The rocket was already on the way, so the fuel was mostly burned out

        Do you think that it is equipped exactly as needed? I don’t think, with a declared range of 600 km, she had to overcome about 300 ... 400 km to the target, that is, half of the refueling should have remained
        Quote: ASAD
        I have another question, in Engels, our air defense is also incorrect if the remnants of the UAV arrive at the airfield?

        Do you have confirmation that those UAVs were shot down? In addition to the words of the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Mr. Konoshenkov, not a single local eyewitness confirms this. There are many videos from those tragedies, but the work of our air defense is not visible anywhere, unfortunately ..., but explosions on the ground are visible on many
    2. Snowfall
      Snowfall 19 January 2023 07: 06
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      But most of all I have doubts about destruction. So just get into the entrance of the house, well, you have to manage ...,

      The telegram contains a video from Dnepropetrovsk with a rocket hit.
      https://t.me/rusneyropatriot/107
  5. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 19 January 2023 06: 06
    0
    Lies and cynicism of the Kyiv regime: the incident with the Kh-22 missile in Dnepropetrovsk

    Rockets do not fly in a peaceful sky

    Neither their own, nor others, nor anti-aircraft

    And without the war, nothing would have happened to that house in Dnepropetrovsk
    1. Comrade
      Comrade 19 January 2023 06: 17
      +6
      Quote: Santa Fe
      Rockets do not fly in a peaceful sky
      Neither their own, nor others, nor anti-aircraft

      Sorry, colleague, but how they fly. Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles fly in the Polish peaceful sky and kill peasants.
      You can also remember Moldova and Belarus, Ukrainian missiles also flew into their peaceful skies.
      And how to forget the incident with the Ukrainian rocket again, which flew to Zagreb? Until I reached Croatia, more than one peaceful sky flew by.
      Here is a funnel with debris.
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 19 January 2023 06: 25
        -3
        Sorry, colleague, but how they fly. Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles fly in the Polish peaceful sky

        The war in the east of Europe, sir, affects all nearby countries

        This has not been seen for seven decades before.
        1. svp67
          svp67 19 January 2023 08: 19
          +6
          Quote: Santa Fe
          This has not been seen for seven decades before.

          That is, Europe did not notice THIS ... well, well ..

          and where was she to notice it
          1. Stanislav_Shishkin
            Stanislav_Shishkin 19 January 2023 14: 33
            +4
            Quote: svp67
            That is, Europe did not notice THIS ... well, well ..
            They only notice
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 19 January 2023 15: 01
              +1
              Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
              They only notice

              If this is a hint at "we can repeat", then can not for today's state of the Russian Federation is an antagonist (clear word?) of the USSR, and you cling to its achievements unscrupulously and stupidly. Your idols are all sorts of Kolchaks, Denikins, skins and other mannerheims.))) The authorities of the Russian Federation hate the red flag as well as the above characters, it’s not for nothing that they diligently drape the mausoleum on Victory Day.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 19 January 2023 13: 02
          +1
          Quote: Santa Fe
          This has not been seen for seven decades before.

          Sturgeon would need to be cut - three times. For:
        3. Rakovor
          Rakovor 19 January 2023 22: 07
          +2
          And what, Yugoslavia was bombed 70 years ago, or "is it different"?
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    2. Vasilich2217
      Vasilich2217 19 January 2023 07: 44
      +5
      No war!!! Surrender ruins and all!!!! End of the war.
    3. svp67
      svp67 19 January 2023 08: 17
      +4
      Quote: Santa Fe
      And without the war, nothing would have happened to that house in Dnepropetrovsk

      Are you sure that everyone in this house really did not want this war? There is such a blogger "Sanya in Florida", he showed one such "creature" from there, who greatly reveres Adolf Schilkgruber, with all the accompanying statements ... long before this tragedy and war
    4. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 21 January 2023 10: 49
      -1
      Quote: Santa Fe
      Lies and cynicism of the Kyiv regime: the incident with the Kh-22 missile in Dnepropetrovsk

      Rockets do not fly in a peaceful sky

      Neither their own, nor others, nor anti-aircraft

      And without the war, nothing would have happened to that house in Dnepropetrovsk

      And without the Maidan, nothing would have happened at all
  6. Edward Vartanyan
    Edward Vartanyan 19 January 2023 06: 16
    -12
    I read here, many people rejoice at the death of civilians. How have we degraded. What has propaganda done to us. Where does such bestial hatred for everything come from? before in one country let alone Europeans and Americans. Or maybe it's us?
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 19 January 2023 06: 45
      +9
      You have read .. Show a joyful comment .. Where we are satisfied with the view of a destroyed high-rise building and in ecstasy we scream - that's what you need!
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 19 January 2023 07: 45
        -6
        Show a joyful comment ..Where we are satisfied with the view of the ruined high-rise building

        There is Mommy's conqueror, just above his comment

        There are 20% of such percentages in Russia, in my opinion
        1. not the one
          not the one 19 January 2023 09: 38
          +14
          Most here are not happy about this, just as they were not happy about children's deaths when a helicopter crashed in Brovary, no need to invent ..
        2. User_neydobniu
          User_neydobniu 19 January 2023 12: 51
          -3
          There is Mommy's conqueror, just above his comment

          There are 20% of such percentages in Russia, in my opinion

          You are right 20% of normal people in the Russian Federation who are ready to beat pig-faced hari, and not fraternize with them. Even in this forum you can see where xoxla who joyfully squeals from the destruction of the troops of the Russian Federation will plus and make excuses in front of his snout lol
          And then someone is surprised that the Russian Federation with the second army of the world has not been able to take a ruin for a year
          1. Stanislav_Shishkin
            Stanislav_Shishkin 19 January 2023 15: 49
            +1
            Quote from: User_neydobniu
            in the Russian Federation, there are normal people who are ready to beat pig-faced hari, and not fraternize with them. Even in this forum you can see
            It is clear that you are inciting here for internal use: you will post screenshots with interethnic hatred from here on the websites of Ukraine and Western curators so that the Vushniks surrender less often, the "world community" cackles louder and lobbyists quickly knock out weapons for Ukraine and new sanctions for Russia. Guessed?
      2. RostislavPushkarevVladimirovich
        RostislavPushkarevVladimirovich 19 January 2023 12: 39
        +3
        Are you kidding me:)
        There are quite a few such comments on this forum and in other social networks, as well as ALMOST always in the black. And who begins to object to these comments to write about morality, humanity, etc. is not held in high esteem. Well, let me show you a couple of comments. Snowfall (Alexander)
        Went in nicely, clearly. Almost vertical, see the link.
        Alexander He believes that people die beautifully in a residential area. I personally do not understand this view and worldview. User_neydobniu
        What is the crime
        And what's the point of making excuses, they squealed and it's good, if I were in the place of the Moscow Region, I would have leveled their cities a long time ago
        etc. War and especially hatred and anger through some video clips as well as the media (propaganda) cloud the mind of a person. I do not mean that only in Russia, the dehumanization of people according to the standard scheme occurs in all countries and at all times.
        1. User_neydobniu
          User_neydobniu 19 January 2023 12: 53
          +2
          Are you kidding me:)

          Dear friend, you have mental illness, I look in Dill, we are at war with the sun, so do not expect tears from me for your mob. reserve.
          They nailed it and it’s good, it will kill you and it will be even better, fewer of our guys will die.
          Russian, xoxlu is not a brother, kill yourself on your nose
          1. RostislavPushkarevVladimirovich
            RostislavPushkarevVladimirovich 19 January 2023 20: 11
            0
            User_neydobniuWell, you made a mistake here, it’s not me who is sick, but maybe you, but the disorder is called paranoia.

            And I don’t live in Dill, but I live in Baku and for quite a long time since 1985, and my name is real and not hidden. My birth certificate says that I am Russian and I think so. But you, who are you? I didn't seem to brand you and didn't blame you. Maybe you also live in Baku and a psychologist or a psychiatrist works, although I have not contacted them in my years of life. If you want, let's meet in Baku. You can write to me in PM when and where, and you can write here in front of everyone too, it doesn’t matter to me. And also my relatives also live in Russia and also Russians in Volgograd, Krasnodar and Dagestan, I mean that the fate of Russia is not indifferent to me. And here you are throwing different labels.
        2. Rosemary
          Rosemary 19 January 2023 13: 02
          0
          Quote: Rostislav Pushkarev Vladimirovich
          I do not mean that only in Russia, the dehumanization of people according to the standard scheme occurs in all countries and at all times.

          Yes, it has always been like this - the dehumanization of the enemy, this is a component of any war from Ancient Greece to Winston Churchill: "Germans are evil Huns, some of which can be cured, and the rest can only be killed"
    2. Voronezh
      Voronezh 19 January 2023 07: 01
      +12
      In our country, someone makes posters or stamps with a destroyed house and puts it up for photographing, like with the Crimean bridge? Or we have children threatening to cut rivers in Internet videos. W. Nude? So everything is fine with us, but what about them?
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        1. Machito
          Machito 19 January 2023 08: 09
          +10
          Quote: Santa Fe
          how about the Crimean bridge?

          The object is used for the transfer of military cargo
          So everything is fine with us, but what about them?

          You brought them war
          Beat the power plant and throw it out into the cold

          And then turn on the naive fool

          Have we brought them war? WE? Russians have been bombed in Donbass for eight years. EIGHT!!! They kill Russians because they are Russians, they speak Russian, they think Russian, they live Russian, they give birth and raise Russian people.
          The Russians are the ones who saved the ENTIRE PLANET from the genocide of Napoleon, Hitler and other hirohitos. The inhabitants of this planet should pray for the Russians, not genocide. Not enough my grandfather denazified the Eurofascists with his bomber regiment. It was necessary to demolish the cities of Euro-fascists to zero, so that there would not even be a memory of them.
          It's a pity that you can not give you a thousand minuses for your comment. Colleagues, help Santa Fe with the cons. negative hi soldier
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            1. single-n
              single-n 19 January 2023 09: 23
              +4
              Actually, they didn't wait. First, in 2014, the complete defeat of the LDNR was not allowed. Have you heard about Debaltsevo? "North wind"?
              And then for 8 years they tried to resolve the issue peacefully. There are all sorts of Minsk agreements. Or already forgotten? Deportation of the civilian population to the Russian Federation. Who is to blame that those countries that "talked" so much about a peaceful solution simply pumped up the Armed Forces of Ukraine with weapons. Or by your analogy, instead of protecting our sister, the police squad gave the attacker an ax. And when we went to beat the face, they themselves are trying to arrest us, yelling that we attacked an "honest maniac."
          2. User_neydobniu
            User_neydobniu 19 January 2023 13: 00
            -1
            It was necessary to demolish the cities of eurofascists to zero

            It’s never too late to start, especially if we don’t start further, these crested commentators from the Armed Forces of Ukraine will shell our cities just like Donbass. Since 2014, it's time to understand that pigfaces understand only the language of power, and it's useless to talk to them otherwise
          3. Stanislav_Shishkin
            Stanislav_Shishkin 19 January 2023 17: 35
            +1
            Quote: Bearded
            Colleagues, help Santa Fe with cons
            Colonel Santa got scared of something. Maybe they are there for some paper epaulettes, what kind of allowance is due ...
            Comment has been deleted.
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        3. Illanatol
          Illanatol 19 January 2023 13: 12
          +8
          Quote: Santa Fe
          You brought them war
          Beat the power plant and throw it out into the cold


          The morons who vote for the Nazis, who are buying up sausage "death to Muscovites" with a cackle, do not deserve anything else.
          A good Nazi is a dead Nazi. Denazification on the march.
      2. RostislavPushkarevVladimirovich
        RostislavPushkarevVladimirovich 19 January 2023 12: 51
        0
        So everything is fine with us, but what about them?
        With them, and so everything is clear, but you offer to go to their level.
        Should a Russian person be the same radical fanatics? Might be worth seeing the edge. You probably have not seen the film "Soldier's Father" look at the frame when the tanker crushes the vineyard and what instructions the Georgians give to the tanker.
    3. Vasilich2217
      Vasilich2217 19 January 2023 07: 49
      +6
      When during the war you begin to love the enemy, this is a direct path to defeat. Or we him or he us.
      1. Enverych
        Enverych 19 January 2023 11: 03
        +7
        Well, this is one of the reasons why NWO, and not war. Because they try to control the level of anger towards the enemy.

        Our goal is to defeat the enemy, not to destroy Ukraine. Even on TV they never say “Ukrainians”, everyone uses euphemisms like the Kyiv regime, nationalists, militants.
        1. Rosemary
          Rosemary 19 January 2023 12: 44
          +1
          Quote: Enverych
          Our goal is to defeat the enemy, not to destroy Ukraine. Even on TV they never say “Ukrainians”, everyone uses euphemisms like the Kyiv regime, nationalists, militants.

          They never say "Ukrainians" on TV, because "Ukrainians" don't exist. There are Little Russians (i.e., correct Russians in Ukraine), and there are nationalists, ukrofascists, militants, Bandera, neo-Nazis (i.e., incorrect Russians in Ukraine).
          But there are no "Ukrainians" - see the article "On the historical unity of Russians and Ukrainians", where Putin scientifically proved that "Russians and Ukrainians are one people, a single whole."
    4. Guran33 Sergey
      Guran33 Sergey 19 January 2023 09: 12
      +7
      Sometimes, even like this, with the help of the "victims" it is necessary to remind the fate of the Donetsk and front-line residents in general, the rear.
    5. populist
      populist 19 January 2023 09: 31
      +9
      Quote: Eduard Vartanyan
      I'm reading here, many rejoice at the death of civilians.

      In Germany, during the Second World War, civilians also died. Such quite peaceful Nazis. Only even earlier, civilians in Warsaw, Belgrade, Coventry were killed under Nazi bombs and shells; They died in Stalingrad and other Soviet cities. As now and over the past 8 years, civilians in Donetsk are dying under the shells of Ukrainian Nazis.
      Quote: Eduard Vartanyan
      how did we degenerate

      It is not we who have degraded - it is you who have degraded. In fact, they always have been. And you don't have to stick with us.
      Quote: Eduard Vartanyan
      .from where such bestial hatred for everything, Ukrainians are not like that. Georgians. Armenians. Balts in general. Kazakhs. Yes, all the neighbors with whom they used to live in the same country

      It was they who lived with us in the same country and responded with hatred for all the enormous help that the Russian people gave them to their own detriment.
    6. GMV
      GMV 19 January 2023 09: 53
      +7
      That's right, it's up to you. There is a clear prejudice. Where and who rejoices at the death of peaceful people? Ukrainian impudence is being discussed - it is criminal to install air defense in city blocks. And after a predictable result, shift from a sick head to a healthy one. Slippery types!
    7. svp67
      svp67 19 January 2023 18: 20
      +1
      Quote: Eduard Vartanyan
      I'm reading here, many rejoice at the death of civilians.

      Can you name who exactly?
    8. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 19 January 2023 21: 41
      +2
      Who can rejoice in this?
      Here on the site there are many provocateurs from the other side, there are narrow-minded and among our people, but their minority.
      For example, I immediately wrote that I feel sorry for people.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 January 2023 06: 45
    +2
    the Kyiv regime and its foreign patrons habitually use these events for propaganda purposes and to justify new arms deliveries
    That is why, with the skill of a professional magician, they turn each of their evils into a victory, and often 2 to 1 - and the Russian side was accused of a "war crime" and created another pretext for resolving the issue of supplying Western air defense systems.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 January 2023 07: 57
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      That's why each of their evils, with the skill of a professional magician, is turned into a win, and often 2 in 1 - and the Russian side was accused of a "war crime"

      Oh yeah! And on Euronews they say that a Russian missile hit the house, and right there the grandfather, who was "on duty" at the house when his daughter and grandson died, curses VVP and his soldiers. And they play that "news" 20 times a day. "Learn how to open safes without a master key" (film "St. Jorgen's Holiday) Of course, after this you can demand a new air defense
  8. maxim1987
    maxim1987 19 January 2023 06: 52
    +8
    Quote: Eduard Vartanyan
    I read here, many people rejoice at the death of civilians. How have we degraded. What has propaganda done to us. Where does such bestial hatred for everything come from? before in one country let alone Europeans and Americans. Or maybe it's us?

    may remind you of the main slogan of the common people of most post-Soviet countries: "Russians are a suitcase, a train station, Russia"
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 19 January 2023 07: 58
      -7
      precisely the common people of most post-Soviet countries

      Then why don't you fight with everyone

      We decided to cover ourselves with old stories again. By the way, this phenomenon was not observed on the outskirts, mainly due to the lack of differences in appearance between Russians and Ukrainians.
      1. single-n
        single-n 19 January 2023 09: 41
        +6
        By the way, this phenomenon was not observed on the outskirts.

        Come on. You just haven't experienced it much. But what about their national idea "Holodomor"? Evil Russian ghouls starved the unfortunate Ukrainians? The fact that at the same time the famine was all over the country to their side.
  9. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 19 January 2023 07: 30
    +1
    Author, article about what?
    Again smearing snot that we are such good "Europeans".
    "Beating determines consciousness" ....
    The more we hammer the fucking Dill, the faster the "remnants" will begin to wake up Consciousness.
    What kind of "buildings" can we talk about if we still cannot (do not want to) bomb bridges and railways.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 January 2023 07: 55
      0
      Quote: Ivanov IV
      What kind of "buildings" can we talk about if we still cannot (do not want to) bomb bridges and railways.

      No - zaaaa. Luke is offended. If the bridges are destroyed, then how will he, the poor thing, supply the Ukrainian armed rabble with fuel? Then they will have all the equipment ...

      We want to help our people in Ukraine - we ignore Lukoil gas stations here!


      1. Boris55
        Boris55 19 January 2023 09: 01
        0
        Chisinau, January 12 - RIA Novosti. Litasco - a structure of Lukoil - signed an agreement with the state operator of the oil terminal in the Romanian port of Constanta for 2023, which will ensure the operation of an oil refinery in this country under the EU embargo, the Romanian portal Profit reports.

        In Romania, Lukoil owns the country's largest oil refinery, Petrotel Lukoil. Its capacity is about 2,5 million tons of oil per year.

        "Litasco, the trading arm of the Russian Lukoil Group and a shareholder of the Petrotel refinery, will remain the main client of the state-owned oil terminal operator in the port of Constanta, Oil Terminal, in 2023. The companies have signed a full-year contract worth 55,85 million lei (about 12 million dollars - ed.)," the portal writes.

        The contract signed between Oil Terminal and Litasco concerns the unloading of crude oil from sea vessels and its delivery for pumping to refineries. We are also talking about unloading and loading gasoline, diesel fuel, fuel oil and chemical and petrochemical products from / to sea vessels or river barges, tankers. At the same time, the contract takes into account the embargo on Russian oil, which came into force on December 5, and on petroleum products, which comes into force on February 5 of this year.

        Litasco (Lukoil International Trading and Supply Company) is the sole operator of the international trade of the Lukoil group and carries out all its deliveries and trading operations abroad. Litasco includes subsidiaries and branches in the USA, the Netherlands, Kazakhstan and other countries."

        ps
        The main supplies of fuels and lubricants to the Armed Rabble of Ukraine - the Armed Forces of Ukraine - go through Romania.
        Luke is actively involved in this.
  10. alexandre II
    alexandre II 19 January 2023 08: 01
    +3
    And the noise, they cackled right up to the UN, but no one sees what happened and is happening in Donetsk .... it was necessary to give an answer for every shot in Donetsk in the residential areas of Kyiv, then they would have thought about it, otherwise everything is humanism and nobility play
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 January 2023 08: 05
      +1
      Quote from: alexandre
      it was necessary to give an answer for each shot in Donetsk in residential areas

      They do a great job with it themselves.
  11. Oleg133
    Oleg133 19 January 2023 09: 03
    +1
    The nature of the destruction is very similar to the explosions of houses in Moscow. Compare photo. And for example, the Nikolaev administration
  12. Foul skeptic
    Foul skeptic 19 January 2023 09: 15
    -1
    Ryabov from "a specialist in weapons (of all kinds)" retrained into an investigator and a lawyer. What a multiplayer.
  13. Foul skeptic
    Foul skeptic 19 January 2023 09: 36
    0
    It seemed to me that if you accuse someone of lies and cynicism, then it is wrong to do it with the help of lies and cynicism.
    The Ukrainians, who immediately said about the hit of a Russian missile, are suspicious. The Russians, who immediately said about the hit by the Ukrainian missiles, do not arouse suspicion. True, later, when they saw the destruction that made the version about the missile hit obvious, the version was replaced with a slight movement of the hand with the proven "the missile changed its trajectory due to the impact of Ukrainian air defense." Which is actually quite possible and logical. It is just as possible that the X-22, which is not a high-precision weapon, may have missed the mark at the limit of its service life. It's impossible to install. Therefore, without evidence, talking about air defense in the city (which, by the way, is not prohibited by international law) is exactly the same cynicism.
    Remind me, please, when the Yugoslav air defense systems damaged American cruise missiles and they fell on civilian targets, who was to blame for us - the Americans or the Yugoslavs?
    1. solar
      solar 19 January 2023 12: 33
      +1
      It is just as possible that the X-22, which is not a high-precision weapon, may have missed the mark at the limit of its service life. It's impossible to install.

      X-22, due to its age, in principle, cannot be used against ground targets as an accurate weapon - the accuracy of the inertial system is not enough, the spread is at least hundreds of meters, and the obsolete radar seeker, in principle, cannot determine targets in urban areas, this is also for modern seeker a noticeable problem, now they rely more on navigation.
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 19 January 2023 22: 24
      -2
      “True, later, after seeing the destruction, which made obvious the inconsistency of the version about hitting missiles,”
      It depends on which missile, warhead S-300 100kg, and the destruction from it will be serious. Warhead missiles S-75/200-220kg. The latter, by the way, has approximately the same dimensions as the X-22 and weighs 7 tons! And why is the Kh-22 not a high-precision weapon? Yes, the first modifications adopted for work on areas had a KVO of 5 km. But these are only the first ones that went into series in the early 70s ... In 1971 , to be precise. And already in 1976, a new modification came out, here's just a quote:
      “Kh-22NA, put into service in 1976, inertial control system with terrain correction, pointing accuracy up to several meters. Developed for a new carrier - the Tu-22M3 missile carrier in three versions. Kh-22N missiles - "active" with a new homing head (ARGSN type PMG), "passive" Kh-22NP - with anti-radio - location RGSN and "autonomous" Kh-22NA - with an inertial guidance system that provides terrain correction, accuracy guidance up to several meters.”
      This is 1976.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 20 January 2023 10: 36
        +2
        Warhead missiles S-75/200-220kg. The latter, by the way, has approximately the same dimensions as the X-22 and weighs 7 tons!

        Ukraine does not have them. We are not talking about a spherical horse in a vacuum, but about a specific situation. Not to mention the fact that it is problematic for STATIONARY object air defense systems to drive around to hide in sleeping areas.
        Warhead S-300 100kg, and the destruction from it will be serious.

        What kind of destruction we saw back in February, when a missile from the S-300 complex flew into a high-rise building in Kyiv. True, it’s not at all the same as what happened in Dnepropetrovsk?
        And do not forget that the main damaging factor for missiles with OFS warheads is SHARDS, and the main purpose of explosives is not to produce a high-explosive effect on the aircraft, but to give these very fragments an initial speed. Therefore, in the mass of warheads, the bulk falls on those very ready-made submunitions.
        And why is the Kh-22 not a high-precision weapon?

        From this. Quotes from Shirokorad are certainly good, but when did the popularizer of military equipment among the population become an authoritative source? I remember the diplomatic problems with Mongolia, when in the early 2000s, at the X-22 training launches, we shot into some Mongolian village. When we decided to see how the missiles behave from storage.
  14. Maks1995
    Maks1995 19 January 2023 09: 53
    +3
    Everything is white on black.
    Words can explain and explain everything for a long time.
    And deeds: Rocket-house-death.
    Straight from the bible.

    And "friendly fire" or "blunders" are quite frequent, but not a PR phenomenon.
    I met some data for a long time that 0.2% of shots fly somewhere in the wrong place at all ....
    They just hide. It pops up when it's impossible to hide. Like a downed Boeing in Iran.

    As for the statements that they say that it’s impossible in cities, that’s impossible - pure-looking noodles and an excuse, IMHO.
    From the recent - one has only to look at the photo of Grozny in the 2000s. What is left after the suppression of the separatists.
  15. alexey_444
    alexey_444 19 January 2023 10: 56
    +1
    It is quite possible that she herself fell, the equipment breaks all the more old, and the impact of the reb is not excluded. And the ukrovermacht lied, they said that they shot down, and now they are slacking off.
  16. Daishi
    Daishi 19 January 2023 10: 57
    +2
    Where's the cynicism?
    Ukrainians defend themselves as best they can, in this case, minus the house.
  17. Sarcasm___
    Sarcasm___ 19 January 2023 11: 22
    +2
    So no one shot her down, there is a video of her arrival https://youtu.be/omUzqIuF5Nw
  18. antiquity
    antiquity 19 January 2023 12: 16
    -2
    Quote from: User_neydobniu
    I would have razed their cities to the ground in the place of the Moscow Region

    Well, that's fine. When fate returns to you what is due for your words, I am sure you will take this philosophically and stand the test with dignity.
  19. solar
    solar 19 January 2023 12: 27
    0
    Therefore, the version about the defeat of a residential building due to an unsuccessful interception of an air target looks realistic. It can be assumed that our Ministry of Defense has the relevant data of objective control, but has not yet disclosed them.

    And you can not assume. Konashenkov the next day formally confirmed that all assigned targets had been hit. According to him, all the missiles hit where they were sent.
    He stated that a Russian missile was intercepted over the city by local air defense.

    Arestovich stated that perhaps, was intercepted. What they wrote about in VO.
    Due to the fire impact, the rocket was damaged and left the calculated trajectory.

    How the author of the article knows about this is a big mystery. Like others who have said so. There is no confirmation of this.
    In fact, they hid behind the local population and civilian infrastructure.

    Who are you hiding from? Russian aviation does not fly there, long-range missiles, and even more so shahid mopeds, do not have the ability to search for and destroy air defense systems even in the open. On the other hand, the old air defense systems, even if they have the theoretical capabilities of hitting a target at such heights and at such speeds, are only overhead, so you can’t put them outside the city.
    The X-22 product has long been considered obsolete.

    This is just one of the accusations - that they used an outdated missile with a powerful warhead against a ground target in conditions where it obviously cannot be used for pinpoint strikes, but only in an area.
  20. Illanatol
    Illanatol 19 January 2023 13: 05
    +5
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    When the Americans bombed a wedding in Afghanistan or destroyed Dresden, they, pigs, etc., and when we had such a mistake, we nod at what they mean, but we can’t?


    No resemblance. Or, if you please, prove that our CD landed in a residential building intentionally, at our will.
    After all, Dresden was bombed not because the German air defense had a fire effect on the Allied bombers.
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 19 January 2023 13: 22
      -2
      Or, if you please, prove that our CD landed in a residential building intentionally, at our will.

      To do this, you first need to prove that
      Americans bombed a wedding in Afghanistan

      deliberately

      Otherwise, your demand for evidence is meaningless.
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol 20 January 2023 09: 34
        0
        And about Dresden - we sniff into a rag? Like, there was a mistake? They confused the big city ... with what? With a tank column?
        Even a special bombing tactic was developed to burn more and the townspeople had no chance to get out.

        The wedding was bombed from a UAV, which transmitted the picture to an online cameraman. What is he - a stupid blind man, could not distinguish a wedding from combatants with weapons? He saw perfectly, but caught the hype, as if from another shooter.

        And is this the only case? Didn't WikiLeaks provide video footage of Apache crews shooting Iraqi civilians like they were in a shooting range?

        Maybe "Abu Ghraib" is fiction?
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 20 January 2023 10: 16
          +1
          And about Dresden - we sniff into a rag

          I'm just isolating similar examples, namely with the use of GUIDED weapons.
          could not distinguish a wedding from combatants with weapons

          Have you seen oriental weddings? Well, those where women huddle indoors and appear only to bring food, and a crowd of men on the street pound from machine guns into the sky, how much in vain?
          Maybe "Abu Ghraib" is fiction?

          I wonder what chain of reasoning led you away from double standards in assessing collateral damage in military operations when using guided weapons to Abu Ghraib.
  21. Illanatol
    Illanatol 19 January 2023 13: 07
    +6
    Quote: Santa Fe
    This has not been seen for seven decades before.


    Yah? And Yugoslavia?
  22. Illanatol
    Illanatol 19 January 2023 13: 14
    +4
    Quote: Santa Fe
    And without the war, nothing would have happened to that house in Dnepropetrovsk


    If there had been no Maidan and the Nazis came to power, the house would have remained standing. And so - not the first and not the last.
    You will remind Berlin of the 1945 model, after the "landscape design" from our MO.
  23. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 19 January 2023 13: 42
    0
    And why didn’t the author of the article describe what kind of REJECTION of this missile is possible when launched at a long range?
    Moreover, rockets with electronics and gyroscopes that are 40 years old or more - all semiconductors could "turn sour" there.
    The guidance and control system no longer produces the required accuracy.

    But even if everything is in order, then the deviation when firing at area targets is more than one kilometer!
    And the head of the rocket could react to the "box" of the destroyed high-rise building as if it were a target.
    Here's something more believable.

    And yes, such weapons are not highly accurate and selective.
    1. Alexey Lantukh
      Alexey Lantukh 19 January 2023 14: 44
      +4
      If only, yes it is possible, even if!!! Firstly, missiles are not hung on planes, on ships, on launchers directly from the box. There is always a pre-check. The control of the serviceability of the main units is possible until the moment of start-up. In addition, air defense is usually located around the city (both for us and for them), and if the object of attack is in the city, then shooting over the city is inevitable. Moreover, if the rocket is shot down, then options are possible: the rocket explodes and fragments fall down, the rocket does not explode and falls down and explodes or does not explode on the ground. How lucky are the residents. In Dnepropetrovsk, no luck. By the way, there were also such cases in our territory. Only there were no such big victims. War is war. And there is more propaganda.
      1. Osipov9391
        Osipov9391 19 January 2023 16: 37
        0
        If a check of the rocket electronics on the ground with the help of CPA and stands showed that everything is in order, this does not mean that the rocket is suitable and will hit where it needs to.
        With such speeds and overloads.
        Some microcircuits fell off, some relays sparked and that was all.
        Typically 25 years shelf life of electronic components.
        After that, the manufacturer does not guarantee their declared work.
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 19 January 2023 22: 38
      0
      The author didn’t write, let me write, the first versions of the rocket were made as anti-ship, but then in 1971, a rocket appeared to work in areas. Her QUO was up to 5 km! But these are the first modifications.
      And already in 1976, a new modification appeared, already a normal high-precision weapon. Here is a quote:
      “Kh-22NA, put into service in 1976, inertial control system with terrain correction, pointing accuracy up to several meters. Developed for a new carrier - the Tu-22M3 missile carrier in three versions. Kh-22N missiles - "active" with a new homing head (ARGSN type PMG), "passive" Kh-22NP - with anti-radio - location RGSN and "autonomous" Kh-22NA - with an inertial guidance system that provides terrain correction, accuracy guidance up to several meters.
      Saying that the rocket is not high-precision and citing for evidence the characteristics of the rockets of the first half of the 70s is somehow not entirely honest.
  24. Duncan
    Duncan 19 January 2023 18: 16
    +1
    No one has shown the wreckage of the rocket yet. It is impossible to determine what fell vertically down there.
    Here is a photo from the Ukrainian resource

    The explosion, apparently, was not very strong, rather there was an impact and a flash of fuel.
  25. AlexSam
    AlexSam 19 January 2023 18: 18
    -1
    Quote: Hyperion
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    we nod at what it means they can, but we can’t?

    We can. Americans are wrong in considering themselves "exceptional". This is not true. It is we who are "highly spiritual" and "light". It is we who must dictate our values ​​to the world.
    We are conducting NWO for peace to come. Putin said exactly that. Orwell nods approvingly.
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    but maybe it's better to start with affordable and free medicine? From the fact that women would not be afraid to give birth to children, because it is not known how much it will cost to feed, treat and teach their children?

    Will not work. The cult of death and sacrifice is not broadcast to the masses for that. As Solovyov said: "Life is overrated." In such a time, what else is medicine and education? Three parochial classes and a NVP course are enough for a true patriot.

    it’s somehow ugly to publicly use the blanks of the 95th quarter ...
    1. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 19 January 2023 22: 43
      0
      Quote: AlexSam
      it’s somehow ugly to publicly use the blanks of the 95th quarter ...

      What are you talking about, my young friend? Take the trouble to express your thoughts more clearly, people still read you.
  26. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 19 January 2023 19: 30
    +1
    [quote = aleksejkabanets] [quote = bearded man] might it be better to start with affordable and free medicine? From the fact that women would not be afraid to give birth to children, because it is not known how much it will cost to feed, treat and teach their children? [/ Quote]
    Tell me, for what purpose did you write all this dog nonsense ?????????
    Medicine is not available to you - you fell ill, and they refused to treat you?
    Or do you have paid medicine - they came to the clinic, and immediately to the cashier?
    Or are you and your wife unable to get your child into school and he's roaming the streets?
    Or do you and your wife have nothing to feed your child and he is starving and collecting crusts?
    Wait, are you Russian at all? Maybe the filthy crest is writing here - but I'm indignant?
    1. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 19 January 2023 22: 59
      +1
      Quote: Roman Efremov
      Medicine is not available to you - you fell ill, and they refused to treat you?
      Or do you have paid medicine - they came to the clinic, and immediately to the cashier?

      What country do you live in? In order to pick up glasses for my child, I have to travel to the regional center for three weeks, is it free? In order to do the simplest electrophoresis procedures, I need to take my child to the district center for two weeks, is it free? To pull a tooth - to the regional center, to a narrow specialist - to the regional center, is this free medicine supposed to be?
      Quote: Roman Efremov
      Or are you and your wife unable to get your child into school and he's roaming the streets?

      Do your children go to school? How does the knowledge of the Federal State Educational Standard suit you? But I'm not satisfied, therefore - a tutor. And besides the school, there is no education? Is it all free?
      So tell me, for what purpose did you write all this dog nonsense ?????????
      Quote: Roman Efremov
      Maybe the filthy crest writes here

      The filthy crest in the head of someone sits and prevents someone from thinking.
  27. Taoist
    Taoist 19 January 2023 20: 20
    +4
    Well, I don’t know what exactly was shot down there, but definitely not the X 22 - the X 22 has a standard warhead weighing almost a ton ... (960 kg) of which 650 kg is TGA explosives. - the operation of such a warhead would not have collapsed one section, but this entire block of panels would have developed like a card ...
  28. Fangaro
    Fangaro 19 January 2023 20: 46
    +1
    They got confused in the versions "but Russia is still to blame."
    But they haven't fallen yet.
  29. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 19 January 2023 21: 02
    0
    Yeah, a missile flying at the limit of the S300 and Buk is so easily shot down, if you hit a meeting located near Ukraine. It is possible to shoot down, but the probability is small, it flies too fast, plus there are not so many radar stations in Ukraine. In fact, air defense has 10 seconds to react after detection.
  30. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 19 January 2023 21: 18
    0
    The rocket is 11 meters long and almost a meter in diameter. It flies to the target at an altitude of 20 km, at a speed of 3.5 m (the latest modification flies 6 m, but it is called differently). Yes, any medium-range air defense system can bring it down. And it won't be a difficult task. It can also be shot down by fighter jets. If Ukrainian air defense is not able to shoot down such a target, then how can they shoot down more modern, less noticeable, bypassing air defense systems at low altitudes. Or ballistic missiles that take off to a height of several tens of kilometers and gain hypersonic speed?
    1. Roman Efremov
      Roman Efremov 19 January 2023 21: 55
      0
      Hawk does not get it at all, even the latest version, Iris-T, S-125 (latest version) and Nasams - at the limit, only the good old Buk normally gets it. This is from what they have in the middle range.
  31. Canna Steinfeldgrubber
    Canna Steinfeldgrubber 19 January 2023 21: 34
    -2
    It's funny that in just a couple of days I read somewhere in Runet an article that the x22 is a missile, which has no analogues and Ukrainian air defense has little chance of intercepting this missile.
  32. CirclePit
    CirclePit 19 January 2023 21: 53
    0
    Here Nebenzya says that it is impossible to place air defense systems in a residential area.
    Meanwhile, shells and spare containers for them are already being raised on the roofs in Moscow.
    https://military.pravda.ru/news/1791113-pancirs1/
  33. ratoborets
    ratoborets 19 January 2023 23: 19
    0
    Literally a few minutes after this incident, Ukrainian official structures announced a “war crime” against the Russian army. As quickly as possible, Ukrainian and loyal foreign media joined such accusations. At the same time, almost no attention was paid to the causes of the incident.

    How many hundreds of times in almost 9 years have the Ukrainian military committed war crimes in the Donbas? shelling of residential areas of Donetsk and Lugansk?
    Where is all this vaunted international community? Where are the international organizations? Where is the UN?

    They (Ukrainians, Westerners) are absolutely not shy about this (war crimes). Not in quotation marks, but real war crimes. It is enough to listen to the revelations of Prince Harry (and this is just one person) to understand the number of atrocities committed by tens of thousands of British and Americans in Afghanistan and other countries.

    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, on the other hand, are carrying out self-defense with one hand tied, trying to protect the civilian population as much as possible and even often act to their own detriment (for example, for so long there were no strikes on energy infrastructure facilities, although this should have been done from the very beginning). But no matter how hard the RF Armed Forces try, they will still be accused of "war crimes."
  34. cat-begemot
    cat-begemot 20 January 2023 00: 19
    0
    The truth is always the same, but lies are always diverse. After the "Polish" rocket, Khokhols are no longer believed much. And it's not so difficult to find witnesses to the fall of the rocket and the reasons for its fall.
  35. Illanatol
    Illanatol 20 January 2023 09: 39
    0
    Quote: Alexey Lantukh
    There is always a pre-check. The control of the serviceability of the main units is possible until the moment of start-up.


    But not the main ones? But you never know ... plastic and rubber can change properties over such a period, lose elasticity, for example. And given the overload ... anything could happen.
    All our cars are serviced once a year. And what, there are no accidents due to equipment failures?
    Similar situation, actually.
  36. Vitaly Koisin
    Vitaly Koisin 20 January 2023 19: 47
    -1
    IMHO, the warhead of such a missile (and the "Caliber" or "Iskander" too) would ruin the whole house, and not just one front door. More like the effect of warhead missiles (100+ kg).
  37. runway-1
    runway-1 20 January 2023 21: 06
    +1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    The author's conclusion is funny: "

    The author’s conclusion is understandable and predictable.))) The comments of pseudo-patriots who write that amers can be bombed, so we can, and when the Americans bombed a civil wedding or a hospital, they squealed what pigs they are and so on are funny. And then who are we?

    Yes, cynical hypocrisy is on the rise (and pseudo-patriotic stupidity too), alas...
  38. Ed1970
    Ed1970 21 January 2023 04: 50
    0
    24.02.2022
    "The Russian Defense Ministry stressed that the Russian Armed Forces do not carry out any missile, air or artillery strikes on the cities of Ukraine: military infrastructure, air defense facilities, military airfields and aviation are disabled by high-precision weapons. The ministry assured that nothing threatens the civilian population. "
    https://ria.ru/20220224/oruzhie-1774738623.html
  39. Illanatol
    Illanatol 21 January 2023 09: 32
    0
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    I'm just isolating similar examples, namely with the use of GUIDED weapons.


    Isolate those examples that are more convenient for you, and inconvenient - you prefer not to notice.
    Of course, air bombs fall by themselves, and not by the will of man. They probably wanted to drop somewhere else, but Dresden accidentally turned up.
    Like, completely uncontrollable, they fall wherever they want.

    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    Have you seen oriental weddings? Well, those where women huddle indoors and appear only to bring food, and a crowd of men on the street pound from machine guns into the sky, how much in vain?


    So what? Is that sufficient reason for mass murder? Without trial or investigation?
    These people are on their own land. As they want, so they celebrate. There is nothing to climb into someone else's monastery with your charter, Fershtein?
    No one called the Yankees there. If you don't like other people's customs, stay at home.
  40. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 21 January 2023 12: 36
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets

    What country do you live in? In order to pick up glasses for my child, I have to travel to the regional center for three weeks, is it free? In order to do the simplest electrophoresis procedures, I need to take my child to the district center for two weeks, is it free? To pull a tooth - to the regional center, to a narrow specialist - to the regional center, is this free medicine supposed to be?

    I live in Russia, and I know that it is big and in every village, reindeer herders camp, mountain village, a modern hospital cannot be installed. There is nothing like it anywhere in the world, even in very small and rich countries. If you don't understand this, that's your problem, not mine.
  41. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 21 January 2023 12: 48
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets

    Do your children go to school? How does the knowledge of the Federal State Educational Standard suit you? But I'm not satisfied, therefore - a tutor. And besides the school, there is no education? Is it all free?

    The son goes to school, while we manage without a tutor - a round excellent student. Musical finished - for free.
    Last year, his wife's nephew entered the Gubkin Institute of Oil - on his own, without a tutor. First, I went to a paid faculty on points (my parents contributed money), but then they called and said that they were going to a free faculty and REFUNDED THE MONEY.
    That's how it is in my Russia, where I live. It seems that I have been living under capitalism for 30 years - and still a lot for free.
  42. Duncan
    Duncan 21 January 2023 13: 00
    0
    Explosion force 10-20 kg. This can be seen on entire balconies, air conditioners and even double-glazed windows. Such a charge for anti-aircraft missiles. Well, or is this some kind of partial operation of the warhead of the CD, if such a thing is even possible.
    Where is the wreckage of the rocket?
  43. Ulum
    Ulum 21 January 2023 14: 13
    -2
    And what is there to discuss then? Well, a couple of dozen khokhlofascists died. Who cares. Our X-22 or ukrovy S300, if only more banderlogs went to hell. And do not whine about the peacekeeper. There is no peacekeeper there, all ghouls.
    1. runway-1
      runway-1 21 January 2023 20: 07
      0
      if only more banderlogs went to hell. And do not whine about the peacekeeper. There is no peacekeeper there, all ghouls
      Well, the "liberator-denazifier" said to himself, almost self-critically ...
  44. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 21 January 2023 15: 12
    0
    Quote from dunkan

    Where is the wreckage of the rocket?

    I've been wondering about this for a few days now! From a huge rocket, large and quite recognizable remains should remain. Where are they?