New details of the reform of the armed forces

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New details of the reform of the armed forces


At the end of last year, it was announced that in the medium term, the Ministry of Defense will increase the size of the armed forces and improve their organizational structure. Some plans and alleged measures of this kind have also been disclosed. Recently, the department discussed the tasks and clarified plans for the future.



Common Tasks
According to the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense, a meeting on the issues of increasing and improving the armed forces was held on January 17. It was held by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu; the event was attended by deputy ministers, commanders-in-chief of the branches of the armed forces and commanders of the armed forces.

The minister recalled that the president had set the task of increasing the size of the armed forces to 1,5 million people. In this regard, it is proposed to develop and implement a comprehensive plan for building up the army, combining various measures. S. Shoigu also pointed out the need to synchronize the growth in numbers with the construction of infrastructure, the supply of weapons and equipment, etc.


To ensure the military security of the state, incl. to protect critical facilities and new actors, it is proposed to strengthen or supplement a number of key components of the armed forces. Part of the existing connections will be re-formed taking into account new threats and challenges. In addition, there will be new structures and parts.

As it was reported last year, the size of the army will be increased mainly at the expense of military personnel under the contract. According to the minister, it is necessary to pay special attention to the recruitment of contract soldiers and ensure their training. In addition, the system of military universities, training grounds in the troops, etc. require development.

The implementation of a comprehensive plan to increase the size and development of the armed forces will begin this year and will take several years. Thus, the transformation of the military-administrative structure is planned to be completed by 2026. The timing of other transformations has not yet been announced. It is likely that they will be implemented within the same time frame or with a slight deviation from them.


Earlier, speaking about future reforms, S. Shoigu mentioned the need to change the draft age. Thus, it is proposed to call on recruits at the age of 21, instead of the current threshold of 18 years. The press release from the Ministry of Defense does not mention the discussion of such issues at a recent meeting.

Structural transformations
In December, the Minister of Defense announced the need for structural changes in the armed forces. New military-administrative units and formations will be created. In addition, the restructuring of existing formations is required. All this will make it possible to more effectively protect strategically important areas from current threats.

On January 17, S. Shoigu confirmed that two new military districts, Moscow and Leningrad, would be created in the near future. They are formed on the existing territory of the Western Military District. The task of the new units will be to protect two strategically important regions from threats from the west and north.


It is planned to create a number of new units and formations. Thus, an army corps will appear in Karelia. The ground forces will be reinforced with three motorized rifle divisions, and the airborne troops with two airborne assault divisions. Locations of new divisions are not reported. In addition, self-sufficient groupings of troops and forces will be created on the territory of the annexed subjects. Their composition and potential are still unknown.

In the Western, Central and Eastern military districts, as well as in the Northern navy seven motorized rifle brigades will be expanded to divisions. This will increase their combat effectiveness and have a positive impact on the capabilities of the districts.

In his new report, the Minister of Defense mentioned the need to strengthen the navy, aerospace forces and strategic missile forces. This time, the Minister did not touch upon the issues of changing the structure of the Aerospace Forces.

It should be recalled that other planned changes in the troops were mentioned in the December report. Thus, the minister spoke about the future formation of five artillery divisions and brigades of special power in the ground forces. In the Coastal Forces of the Navy, five brigades of marines will be increased to divisions.


Provides for the creation of each combined arms (tank) mixed army aviation divisions and brigades of army aviation. In addition, new air division directorates, eight bomber regiments, one fighter regiment, and six army aviation brigades should appear in the Aerospace Forces.

Updated plans
Thus, our Ministry of Defense is fulfilling the order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief to increase the number, improve the structure and generally improve the combat capability of the armed forces. Appropriate plans are being developed, various proposals are being made, and so on. In addition, the Ministry of Defense already considers it possible to publish the main ideas and decisions of the new reform.

The Minister of Defense twice spoke about new plans and announced very interesting information. At the same time, his two reports, December and the new one, complement each other and together form a more complete picture. In addition, it cannot be ruled out that the latest report reflects all the innovations and adjustments made in recent weeks. Accordingly, in the future we should expect new reports that complement and change the already known picture.


The updated and revised version of the plans still provides for strengthening the defense in the strategic western direction - where there is a threat from NATO. The north and center of this direction will be strengthened by two new military districts, an army corps in Karelia and, probably, new divisions in other regions. In addition, attention was paid to the southern borders - the recently annexed subjects of the federation will receive their own groups.

However, not only units and formations near the western borders will grow and increase their indicators. A similar restructuring is planned in other regions and military districts. It is possible that the scale of such processes in different areas will differ due to their priority for defense.

Of great interest are proposals for the creation of new artillery and aviation formations and units. The special operation in Ukraine once again confirmed the potential of artillery, incl. high power. In addition, conclusions were drawn about the need to create artillery formations with special capabilities. They will also increase the potential of aviation and improve its ability to interact with ground forces.


The strengthening of the armed forces and the change in the organizational structure impose additional requirements on the number of personnel. In this regard, it is planned to increase the number of servicemen, mainly at the expense of contractors. A larger number of military personnel, in turn, requires additional infrastructure, makes higher demands on the training system, and so on.

New reform


In general, it is not just about changes in the armed forces. In fact, a full-fledged reform is planned, aimed at improving all the main indicators and bringing the army in line with current military and political requirements. The situation in Europe has seriously deteriorated, and our armed forces must respond to this.

A full-fledged comprehensive reform plan is being drawn up and corrected, affecting a lot of different issues. Its full implementation will take several years, and after that the Russian army will acquire the desired look and capabilities. At the same time, the first results of such an update may appear in the very near future.
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  1. +40
    19 January 2023 05: 12
    How I hate the word REFORM! the most striking example of reform is the rearrangement of beds in an unprofitable brothel. If the leadership of the armed forces of the Russian Federation still remains loyal and not smart, then at least reform yourself - nothing sensible will come of it. What's the point of having healthy arms and legs if the brain is in a coma? This also applies to the government - the money that should be spent on rearmament, on the development and production of weapons for the FUTURE war, with their blessing, is exported abroad by both oligarchs and state financial institutions. Reformers, man.
    1. -36
      19 January 2023 05: 44
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      the most striking example of reform is the rearrangement of beds in an unprofitable brothel.

      If you are a specialist in brothels, why climb where you are a layman? Gather smart, but not faithful assistants in the business of brothel construction, achieve profits, and here you will show the class of managerial genius. Drive an empty man, if only to shit on the minister's shoes ... He does not like the word. What's the matter? Critic, damn it ...
      1. +19
        19 January 2023 05: 58
        It has long been said that the term reform disguises NOT DESIRE or NOT ABILITY to carry out revolutionary transformations (not a change in socio-economic formations, but fundamental changes in essence).
        Reform is the path for indecisive people - this is already from Bismarck's words.
        1. +5
          19 January 2023 07: 25
          Quote: saigon
          Reform is the path for indecisive people - this is already from Bismarck's words.

          Poor Otto von Bismarck laughing in each barrel there is a plug man battleship (or man steamer)
          1. +19
            19 January 2023 07: 50
            The order of the reform (optimization, etc.):
            1. We draw up a Plan with deadlines and approve it by Order.
            2. The order with the Plan goes down.
            3. At the bottom, a specialist of the lowest category writes a Report.
            4. The report comes on up and is approved.
            5. Medals, awards, extraordinary titles. Banquet.
        2. +5
          19 January 2023 07: 34
          Quote: saigon
          It has already been clearly said that the term reform disguises NOT WISHING or NOT ABILITY to carry out revolutionary transformations (not a change in socio-economic formations, but fundamental changes in essence).

          The great questions of the time are decided not by speeches and resolutions of the majority, but by iron and blood! / Otto Eduard Leopold von Bismarck-Schönhausen
        3. -7
          19 January 2023 08: 05
          Quote: saigon
          It has long been said that the term reform disguises NOT DESIRE or NOT ABILITY to carry out revolutionary transformations (not a change in socio-economic formations, but fundamental changes in essence).

          I dare to note that the minister does not use the term "reform". He talks about increasing the number, coordinating this process with the construction of infrastructure to accommodate, equip and arm an additional number of military personnel, as well as the consolidation of formations and associations. "Reform", as the term sounds only from the lips of journalists and commentators. I think it is necessary to judge events not by the form of presentation of material about them, but by the essence of these events. And their essence is quite clear. The country is preparing for events larger than the NWO. But the zealous "unlovers of individual words and terms" do not mention this at all.
          1. +12
            19 January 2023 08: 36
            It is necessary to judge by deeds - "by their fruits you will know them", while only chatter and lies
          2. +4
            19 January 2023 09: 17
            And do not explain, please excuse me, is it like increasing the number, will they shave again for 25 years?
            1. 0
              19 January 2023 10: 59
              Quote from AdAstra
              And do not explain, please excuse me, is it like increasing the number, will they shave again for 25 years?

              It's not about my salary. On the 24th you will have the opportunity to ask the author.
              1. -1
                19 January 2023 19: 19
                Do you get paid here? hi "" "
            2. -1
              19 January 2023 14: 26
              Quote from AdAstra
              population increase is like, again for 25 years shave will they?

              It is immediately clear that a non-serviceman imagines that he will be slaughtered, and not taken to the service.
              So the proposals themselves were sound, but there is one thing. The main thing We reduced the number of brigades by remaking them into divisions, the ratio of 1 division to 2 brigades is considered optimal.
              1. -1
                19 January 2023 19: 20
                "You can immediately see not a serviceman ..."
                But here is not your truth.
      2. +20
        19 January 2023 09: 23
        Quote: Hagen
        Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
        the most striking example of reform is the rearrangement of beds in an unprofitable brothel.

        If you are a specialist in brothels, why climb where you are a layman? Gather smart, but not faithful assistants in the business of brothel construction, achieve profits, and here you will show the class of managerial genius. Drive an empty man, if only to shit on the minister's shoes ... He does not like the word. What's the matter? Critic, damn it ...

        This official, in boots, has already occupied the chair for the 11th (!!!) year, for such a period of time it is possible to practically turn a monkey into a person, and here only the Temple and the Patriot Park can be included in the asset. When there is an indulgence in the pocket for all future actions, then these actions will be in the majority erroneous.
        If you say “try it yourself, if you’re so smart,” then I’ll answer that I’m critical of my managerial abilities, so I can’t cope and I would find the strength to refuse a tempting offer, but they are weak, they can’t.
        1. +17
          19 January 2023 09: 34
          It's an official, in boots

          Speaking of boots. He seems to have a passion for patent leather boots, such that they have become officer's shoes.
          How can you not remember here - "they don't fight in a single-breasted one now ..."
        2. +14
          19 January 2023 09: 55
          Quote: Gvardeetz77
          only the Temple and the Patriot Park can be added to the asset


          WHAT???!!! A TANK BIATHLON???!!!
          1. +6
            19 January 2023 10: 09
            Quote: sergo1914
            Quote: Gvardeetz77
            only the Temple and the Patriot Park can be added to the asset


            WHAT???!!! A TANK BIATHLON???!!!

            Didn't specifically mention :)
            If biathlon is stopped now, then it doesn’t seem to exist. But the park and the temple, here they are, standing and eating in real time... :)
          2. +7
            19 January 2023 21: 33
            Quote: sergo1914
            Quote: Gvardeetz77
            only the Temple and the Patriot Park can be added to the asset


            WHAT???!!! A TANK BIATHLON???!!!

            No, well, ---- A little harem ..chik. And a workshop for carving, oak ... Ahem .. a talented person, talented in everything. lol
    2. +3
      19 January 2023 06: 10
      And the increase in the number of beds in a brothel is a much more significant and profitable "reform", don't you think!?
      My comment is too short, but meaningful, I hope
      1. AUL
        +8
        19 January 2023 09: 13
        The Minister recalled that the President set the task of increasing the number of armed forces to 1,5 million people
        Easy! Recruiting generals to the Arbat Military District to the required number is a matter of a maximum of a week! wassat
  2. +22
    19 January 2023 05: 35
    I would like this REFORM to return the Military Schools, military medicine!
    And then there are more generals than lieutenants!
    And after the "optimization" of healthcare, not only "civilian" medicine, but also all military field therapy and surgery were buried ...
    1. +1
      21 January 2023 21: 10
      Well, civilian medicine will also have to be put in order. And then if the state does not care about the health of the population, then it is not clear who you are going to recruit into the army. Maybe thirty-year-old neurology patients? Or forty-year-old diabetics? I see that the experience has already appeared, although it is not very positive. In addition, when you know that medicine is completely paid for, you have no incentive to lose health in places hazardous to health. We do not provide compensation for a couple of million dollars. And a couple of million rubles is not such a big amount, it will not be enough for the next 20 years of life.
  3. +16
    19 January 2023 05: 55
    Unreal.
    For this, new people (preferably professionals in military affairs) are needed in the Moscow Region, but they are not there.
    The military-industrial complex should be one step ahead of time (and everything is the old fashioned way with us).
    They started talking about the reform, because something needs to be said (they say we don’t sit still) on TV, since peacetime was missed (the Kremlin was busy with pipes).
    1. fiv
      -16
      19 January 2023 07: 39
      But you, Vladimir, will you be able to create a division? And the military-industrial complex has unique, advanced technologies, and you cannot prove that this is not so. And, as I believe, a lot of documents about this very reform are secret, and what it consists of, apart from publicly announced events, we will find out much later (we are civilian jackets). And again, I believe that the creation of two new military districts and about a dozen powerful military formations are not words, but ACTION. And the rest - follow the news.
    2. +15
      19 January 2023 07: 46
      Well, reforming the current army is quite difficult. There is no more people's army, but there is, in general, a mercenary army, where they go for state security, good wages and pension benefits. In general, from the profession "to defend the Motherland", such an army has simply turned into a place
      ordinary work for hire, with elements of "role-playing games" in the "war". The modern army, especially in terms of its leadership, protects, in general, not the Motherland, but its well-fed way of life. Making such an army fight is not easy, if not impossible.
      1. fiv
        -10
        19 January 2023 08: 12
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        where they go for state security, a good salary and pension benefits. In general, from the profession "to defend the Motherland", such an army has simply turned into a place
        ordinary work for hire, with elements of "role-playing games" in the "war". The modern army, especially in terms of its leadership, protects, in general, not the Motherland, but its well-fed way of life. Making such an army fight is not easy, if not impossible.

        Are you saying this based on your personal worldview? Would you behave in the current army in the same way or in some other way? I just want to know why you think so about the entire Russian army?
        1. -15
          19 January 2023 11: 09
          Quote: fiv
          I just want to know why you think so about the entire Russian army?

          It’s just fashionable to think like that today, especially here at VO. A bunch of not very smart and lucky people took it upon themselves to shit everything and everyone around them, especially those who turned out to be smarter and advanced further in life than they are. In short, everything from simple envy and resentment due to unfulfilled dreams.
          1. +12
            19 January 2023 15: 41
            SW. Hagen. In your post, you mentioned "a bunch of not-so-lucky people" in a negative context. Somehow, a question arose for you: who do you consider to be lucky people in our time [b] [/ b]? Name a few names to understand your gradation into "lucky" and "unlucky". Here, for example, Efremov Jr. Is he "lucky" or not? And Pugacheva? What about Chubais? And Solovyov? And Kiselyov? And what about Skobeeva and Norkin?
            In a word, explain in order to understand the phrase mentioned in your post.
            hi
            1. fiv
              -3
              19 January 2023 16: 05
              Here, one colleague mentioned the people who are sitting around the table in the photo and expressed confidence that they are all worthy of criminal prosecution and imprisonment somewhere in the North. Since almost everyone here in this thread agrees with him, with the exception of me, Hagen's colleague and another person or two, they are all of them, clearly better, more honest and more intelligent than the military leaders mentioned. It's you, not the ones in the photo , graduated with honors from military schools, then - with honors from the academy, commanded everything from a platoon to a district. So, your place is there, at this table. So why aren't you there yet? Why aren't you all sent there? Didn't think? Or is there no desire to sit there? Or is something else missing?
              1. +8
                19 January 2023 20: 20
                Quote: fiv
                Here, one colleague mentioned the people who are sitting around the table in the photo and expressed confidence that they are all worthy of criminal prosecution and imprisonment somewhere in the North. Since almost everyone here in this thread agrees with him, with the exception of me, Hagen's colleague and another person or two, they are all of them, clearly better, more honest and more intelligent than the military leaders mentioned. It's you, not the ones in the photo , graduated with honors from military schools, then - with honors from the academy, commanded everything from a platoon to a district. So, your place is there, at this table. So why aren't you there yet? Why aren't you all sent there? Didn't think? Or is there no desire to sit there? Or is something else missing?

                And you do not know what is missing? Friendship with the main and family ties.
                Or do you think that Chubais or Gaidar (Golikov) were geniuses?
                Well then, read what Nobel Prize winner in economics Joseph Stiglitz said about them.
                1. +2
                  19 January 2023 21: 34
                  well, yes, they are all willingly waiting for us there. Let's be honest, Serdyukov did a good job. There are not enough officers. everywhere, and especially in lower positions, where you have to run around the fields with a machine gun. There is a problem and it’s not necessary to scoff. the enemy will approach the walls of Moscow, well then let's go all the retired officers and the reserve to save the Motherland.
                  1. 0
                    20 January 2023 10: 40
                    Quote from: odisey3000
                    well, yes, they are all willingly waiting for us there. Let's be honest, Serdyukov did a good job. There are not enough officers. everywhere, and especially in lower positions, where you have to run around the fields with a machine gun.

                    So Serdyukov and Makarov were just trying to solve the problem of the shortage of officers at the regimental level and below - reducing the bloated headquarters, designed for Soviet states, and transferring officers in the field. And then in the early 2000s, the commander of one of the regiments of the court division on the air, EMNIP, the First, complained that he had 10% of regular officers in his battalions, and the rest were two-assers and wreeds from sergeants.

                    And the main groan about the reforms of the furniture maker was precisely on the topic that honored officers who had served in warm offices for years were suddenly thrown into the field, and even they were given subordinate personnel. smile
                2. fiv
                  -2
                  19 January 2023 22: 27
                  Gaidar and Chubais are not in the leadership of the RF Armed Forces. And you know, I'm already tired of writing in this thread. For some reason, everyone is righteous, who sacrificed their health, lives and property for the Motherland, and only the leadership of her, the Motherland, political and military, everything went wrong. And I think that everyone, hand on heart, has something to reproach themselves with, only this is more difficult than pointing a finger at someone else.
            2. +1
              20 January 2023 06: 28
              Quote: K-36
              who do you consider to be lucky[b][/b] people these days? Name a few names

              Dear colleague, there is neither negative nor positive in my post. There is only a statement of the result of a cursory analysis. You ask who I consider lucky and smart? The one who knows how to learn and then independently provide himself and his family with the necessary income with his head and hands, without causing grief and interference to others. Probably someone who in life does not wait for handouts and benefits from the outside, but manages quite well on his own and at the same time manages to live in harmony with his moral and ethical values. The series of surnames that you listed are familiar to me, but I personally do not know them and do not want to discuss them. And of those whom I more or less know, and you most likely have also heard of him, I would rather name Kartapolov. One could also mention Skabeeva and Solovyov, although this does not mean at all that I share, for example, Solovyov's line of conduct. He is very rude and authoritarian, but without a doubt very capable, persistent and self-confident, which cannot but impress. I’m not very interested in what he himself says on his programs, but you can hear sensible things from the involved specialists. But that's my personal opinion.
      2. fiv
        -6
        19 January 2023 16: 15
        And further. Do you pay attention to what the participants of the SVO are awarded for, including posthumously? And if so, how did your fingers not wither to write THIS (and for others to plus - a shame!):
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        hired army, where they go for state security, good wages and pension benefits. In general, from the profession "to defend the Motherland", such an army has simply turned into a place
        ordinary work for hire, with elements of "role-playing games" in the "war". The modern army, especially in terms of its leadership, protects, in general, not the Motherland, but its well-fed way of life. Making such an army fight is not easy, if not impossible.
        1. +1
          21 January 2023 22: 04
          I'll tell you what, fiv. The fact that the army has become a place to receive benefits, and not a place to defend the Motherland, has been said for a long time. All and sundry repeat about this, for example, before the start of the NWO, Vladlen Tatarsky and Admin from the RSOTM channel warned about it. And this is confirmed by the number of 500s in the Russian army. This was confirmed by those scandals before the NWO, which said that in some large cities the military pay tribute to the bandits. This is confirmed by the fact that many high military ranks, from lieutenant colonels and higher in the army at the beginning of the NMD, did not understand the benefits of a civilian quadcopter. This is confirmed by the fact that for almost a year of the war they did not bother to understand that copters do not work without mobile phones, and cannot understand why. Although they should have known this long before the NWO. Because everyone and sundry in the military sphere spoke about it. Why didn't these "professionals" from military affairs analyze the experience of Nagorno-Karabakh? Israel experience? Are they military or what? There is only one rational explanation for all this, and you heard it. These are not the military, these are highly paid privileged employees of the military equipment protection service in Russia. This is what the Russian army basically represents. The guys from the DPR, who started the war in 14 in shales, with their grandfather's hunting rifle and an airsoft helmet on their heads, know everything about the current war. Although they did not serve in the army. The paradox of Russian bullying, by the way, was that people who went through the war in the ranks of the People's Militia of the LDNR, but before that did not serve in the army, were considered in Russia to have not served in the army. It turns out that the trenches of the Donbass war do not count towards the military standings. And this collision is a vivid illustration of the genius of the entire system of the Russian army. Do you need persons to fill vacant positions in the Moscow Region? Take them from the combat officers of the LDNR. Take them from Kadyrov's people. The latter, by the way, turned out to be more ready for war than all the Moscow Region, although he was not supposed to by the state. And MO is supposed to. But instead of the Moscow Region, the Russian Guard went on the attack in the person of Akhmat from Kadyrov. And that's none of their business, by the way. Another example, Khodakovsky, although I don’t really sympathize with him, but when will he receive his next military rank? I think he deserved it more than people who cling to their chests with the title of Heroes from the MO. In Russia, there are still enough of those who can replace those thanks to whom Russia, a few weeks after the start of the NWO, requested peace talks in Turkey - the war has not yet eaten everyone. And so far, judging by the ingenious bans on importing copters to Russia, cutting beards, banning mobile phones in the army, learning songs, the disappearance of one and a half million sets of Warriors, T-62 instead of Armat ... and vice versa, the purchase by non-military people for the needs of the army of UAZs, gazelles, copters, teplaks, nightlights, armor, first-aid kits - it is the initiative from below that shows knowledge of military affairs. Because people from below want to fight and therefore they know how to fight, they are constantly interested in it. Damn it, as an example, who is Prigozhin, what military academies did he graduate from? And people from above want to cut the budget and not report to anyone. And the result is on the face. The second or third army of the world cannot crush the unfortunate Ukraine with its corruption, theft, rotten economy and other ailments. A country with a strong military-industrial complex cannot crush a country without a military-industrial complex.
    3. +7
      19 January 2023 12: 02
      Well, why is it unrealistic!? The "Old Guard", the releases of the Soviet school have not yet died out! And we can even teach more - they taught it to the conscience! I agree that there is movement forward in the element base of communications equipment, electronic warfare and electronic warfare, tactical and special actions "in the field" ... But the algorithms have remained the same! Pick me up at night, say "switch the link", and it will work, even though many years have passed ...
      And yes, you have to start somewhere! Recreate the ruined Schools, NVP at school, fees with retired military officers, reserve officers!
  4. +19
    19 January 2023 06: 29
    The reform should begin with sending people from the title photo to logging. Only then can we hope for a successful reform. Otherwise, everything will be screwed up again. And then they switch chairs. And once again they will fight.
    1. -12
      19 January 2023 08: 11
      Quote: sergo1914
      The reform should begin with sending people from the title photo to logging.

      Which of them do you have accusatory material on? How do you look at it?
      1. +7
        19 January 2023 09: 53
        Quote: Hagen
        Quote: sergo1914
        The reform should begin with sending people from the title photo to logging.

        Which of them do you have accusatory material on? How do you look at it?


        You can investigate their activities from 24.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX to the present. Do you think the accusatory material will not be found? And what will happen next with these materials and the employees who found them?
        PS Yes, I remember that we live in the freest country in the world and all other countries envy us.
        1. -6
          19 January 2023 12: 25
          Quote: sergo1914
          You can investigate their activities from 24.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX to the present. Do you think the accusatory material will not be found?

          You first conduct these investigations and discover something, then you will have the moral right to point out the "bitch in the eye" of him.
          Quote: sergo1914
          PS Yes, I remember that we live in the freest country in the world and all other countries envy us.

          It's good that you remember that. It is not bad to remember about elementary justice, when the reward should correspond to the deed, and not vice versa ...
          1. +12
            19 January 2023 13: 49
            My personal accusation based on personal experience and a huge evidence base throughout Russia and witnesses (If you take into account the appeals of 2020-2021)

            Accusation: for the entire time of his tenure as Minister of Defense, conscripts were not taught to conduct military operations, they did not master the VUS (In fact) there is no trained mobilization reserve (Evidence is visible from recent events)
            Kantik, photo report, drill song, and a magazine for fixing magazines on TB ............ square snowdrifts and outfits in a day ... ugh ...

            When do you learn to fight? And how much have we won with this edging? PMC? well, let's turn the whole army into a PMC, only then cancel the urgent, otherwise it’s not very patriotic to take revenge on the parade ground and scrub the wheels with shoe polish, and as events have shown it is USELESS
            1. -7
              19 January 2023 14: 06
              Quote: Commissioner_Wolf
              My personal accusation

              Put it on paper and send it to the military prosecutor's office. Without it, it's all water and snot. I also served, and I was dressed up, and I equalized the snowdrifts into the shape of a suitcase, but I also shot, and drove, and studied tactics. And in the end, I understood something from military science and taught others. I don’t need to brainstorm about the army. As they say, we swam, we know.
            2. fiv
              +2
              19 January 2023 20: 18
              I served 83 - 85. I was engaged in drill, sang songs, squared snowdrifts, dug pipes, went to outfits in the kitchen and did everything that today's soldiers do not do. And then there were no committees of nulliparous mothers. He became a radio operator of the first class, spent a year and a half in the Strategic Missile Forces on combat duty and passed serious checks of the General Staff, General Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces. It used to be, at least not easier to serve than it is now. Comfort was definitely less. However, there were soldiers - Soldiers, and combat training was at its best. It used to be that they went on vacation from the database to work. So do not sing songs about "when to learn to fight?"
              1. 0
                27 January 2023 13: 50
                Tov-cap. With all due respect to you, then you were taught to fight with a cant, now they don’t teach you, Kantik is now in the absolute (The result of this non-study is visible to everyone and everything throughout the country)
            3. +5
              19 January 2023 20: 23
              Quote: Commissioner_Wolf
              My personal accusation based on personal experience and a huge evidence base throughout Russia and witnesses (If you take into account the appeals of 2020-2021)

              Accusation: for the entire time of his tenure as Minister of Defense, conscripts were not taught to conduct military operations, they did not master the VUS (In fact) there is no trained mobilization reserve (Evidence is visible from recent events)
              Kantik, photo report, drill song, and a magazine for fixing magazines on TB ............ square snowdrifts and outfits in a day ... ugh ...

              When do you learn to fight? And how much have we won with this edging? PMC? well, let's turn the whole army into a PMC, only then cancel the urgent, otherwise it’s not very patriotic to take revenge on the parade ground and scrub the wheels with shoe polish, and as events have shown it is USELESS

              You have forgotten about the collapse of the military enlistment office system.
      2. +2
        19 January 2023 21: 45
        Quote: Hagen
        Which of them do you have accusatory material on? How do you look at it?

        Don't be so angry. Everyone’s nerves are on edge and critics have a grain of truth .. Unfortunately, this grain of truth is very strong .. Yes, if now everything was in abundance in our troops, everything is 70-80% modern, newest, everyone was just happy . Our guys who are real fighters there! Warriors. And at the top, as usual in Holy Rus',
        mess. drinks
        1. -1
          20 January 2023 06: 35
          Quote: 30 vis
          Don't be so angry.

          What makes you think that I'm angry? In fact, this very massive desire to carry out reprisals for no good reason is alarming. Apparently the basis for repression "highly likely" is very contagious wink.
          1. +1
            24 January 2023 09: 13
            There are just enough good reasons. I was present several times at the selectors, all the bosses unanimously finish their reports that there are NO problems requiring intervention! from the word at all. Those who tried to criticize all sorts of army games have been retired for a long time. The opportunists who were under Serdyukov remained in their places and began to grow further, adapting again to the new rules. Writing reports in powerpoint, photo reports, shooting clips is real. As soon as he did not agree with something, they point to the door. They say there is a queue. As a lieutenant, I didn’t make as many reports as they now stamp on printers. Not a single sensible proposal to get rid of unnecessary bureaucracy finds support at the top. And the problem is that the bosses themselves do not make reports, deputies (with rare exceptions), deputies, etc. work for them. The worst thing is that all reports and other crap are done at the expense of the personal and official time of the performers, tearing them away from their main duties and, as a rule, at their own expense (paper, paint, printer and plotter repairs, disks, etc.). I don’t know where you served, but now to knock out materials for the repair of premises, the protection of objects in the normal sense of the word, etc. impossible. We have what we have. You mentioned Kartapolov there, is he the one who headed the political department in front of the deputy chair? Is this a fighter for the truth who, only after his dismissal, called on the minister to stop lying? Where did he serve? He was silent, like everyone else, because if you open your mouth, then the premium of 1010 will fly by. Therefore, everyone silently agrees, nodding their heads and marking time. Personal devotion to all rungs of the corporate ladder. So nothing can be improved, because there is no normal healthy criticism. And the bosses, after the absence of criticism, imagine themselves great, seven spans in the forehead.
  5. +19
    19 January 2023 07: 17
    Everything is useless. As long as the same people are sitting in the Kremlin and in key places, instead of a prison cell for a long time, NOTHING WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. How does it not work now. It is necessary to change people, it is necessary to punish those who failed and to reward everyone according to their merits. And as it was already correctly written here, it will not bring profit from rearranging beds in a brothel. Let Putin give orders even until he's blue in the face - no one will follow them
    1. +7
      19 January 2023 09: 33
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Everything is useless. As long as the same people are sitting in the Kremlin and in key places, instead of a prison cell for a long time, NOTHING WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. How does it not work now. It is necessary to change people, it is necessary to punish those who failed and to reward everyone according to their merits. And as it was already correctly written here, it will not bring profit from rearranging beds in a brothel. Let Putin give orders even until he's blue in the face - no one will follow them

      There is no one to change, these most effective, unparalleled managers in the world, there are no others, the Russian land has become impoverished ... They have to, without sparing their belly, pull the strap, regardless of their retirement age, pull the strap and set an example for others that you can work even after 65 years
      1. +2
        19 January 2023 18: 04
        Quote: Gvardeetz77
        There is no one to change, these most effective, unparalleled managers in the world, there are no others, the Russian land has become impoverished ... They have to, without sparing their belly, pull the strap, regardless of their retirement age, pull the strap

        Golden words, Yuri Venediktovich. © smile
      2. +2
        19 January 2023 20: 26
        Quote: Gvardeetz77
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        Everything is useless. As long as the same people are sitting in the Kremlin and in key places, instead of a prison cell for a long time, NOTHING WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. How does it not work now. It is necessary to change people, it is necessary to punish those who failed and to reward everyone according to their merits. And as it was already correctly written here, it will not bring profit from rearranging beds in a brothel. Let Putin give orders even until he's blue in the face - no one will follow them

        There is no one to change, these most effective, unparalleled managers in the world, there are no others, the Russian land has become impoverished ... They have to, without sparing their belly, pull the strap, regardless of their retirement age, pull the strap and set an example for others that you can work even after 65 years

        The Russian land has not become impoverished with talents.
        Created a vicious recruiting system.
        You do not need to be talented and decent, you need to have a furry paw.
    2. 0
      24 January 2023 09: 19
      That's right, because the ministerial officials without specialized education in the main. They are simply shuffled, if it didn’t work out in one chair, try another. Immediately, Krylov's fable "The Quartet" is the first to come to mind: - And you friends, how can you not sit down, everyone is not good at musicians!
    3. +1
      24 January 2023 13: 46
      Until the Rogozins are brought to trial, my hands drop to look at all this. You think that you would return to the military-industrial complex again, but when you remember how the Rogozin managers bathed in luxury, and you spit on everything to engineers like dogs ...
  6. +12
    19 January 2023 08: 07
    "... In addition, new air division directorates, eight bomber regiments, one fighter regiment, as well as six army aviation brigades should appear in the Aerospace Forces ..." (c)

    And the schools have been taken away! In Krasnodar, even the airfield was sold ...
    1. +6
      19 January 2023 08: 53
      In Krasnodar, even the airfield was sold ...
      I have no doubt about the appetites of top managers, but even in Bykovo near Moscow, where everything is sold and resold, and the repair plant 402 GA has long been torn apart, the strip still exists for some reason. True, there is no near or long-range drive.
  7. +4
    19 January 2023 08: 09
    How not to reform. And what changes await the General Staff and the entire management system? Why Belarus is not affected, but these are the same western borders. Where to get so much material and technical base. , one change in age will not solve anything.
  8. +10
    19 January 2023 08: 12
    Shaw? Again? From a word "Reform" the hysteria begins. I wonder if at least one reform led to something worthwhile? And the most urgent question, and who are the "reformers"? The furniture maker has already carried out some reforms. Chubais was involved in the energy reform. And there are many such examples. I suspect the refractors will be from three decks. Maybe we should not?
    1. +3
      19 January 2023 20: 30
      Quote: g_ae
      Shaw? Again? From a word "Reform" the hysteria begins. I wonder if at least one reform led to something worthwhile? And the most urgent question, and who are the "reformers"? The furniture maker has already carried out some reforms. Chubais was involved in the energy reform. And there are many such examples. I suspect the refractors will be from three decks. Maybe we should not?

      The reform of the furniture maker is not the last. Before him there was also Grachev's reform.
      Remember "rook tobacco"?
      I'm afraid this reform will come down to replacing the form.
      The current ones are also lovers of shape changing.
  9. Eug
    +9
    19 January 2023 08: 19
    8 bomber regiments? On what mat. part? At the current pace of aircraft factories, the process will stretch for decades ... I would like to talk about the revival of the MPA as the most maneuverable component of the Navy, but then the plans would look different ...
    1. +6
      19 January 2023 13: 25
      Quote: Eug
      I would like to talk about the revival of the MRA as the most maneuverable component of the Navy, but then the plans would look different ...

      So the same question - on what to revive it? Where to get materiel and personnel?
      From availability? So the Air Force has no materiel - from the old MRA they got equipment for two live squadrons.
      Waiting for new boards? So, apart from the Su-34, there will be nothing.
      And most importantly, before returning the MPA to the fleet, it would be necessary to take into account the experience of the previous time. In order not to get "naval Cinderellas" again, which none of the "ship admirals" can command, but really wants to.
    2. +3
      19 January 2023 16: 31
      SW. Eug (Eugene), what are you doing downplaying the scale of aviation reform? smile smile In the text, it reads as follows: "It is envisaged to create a mixed aviation division and an army aviation brigade for each combined-arms (tank) army. In addition, new air division directorates, eight bomber regiments, one fighter regiment, and also six army aviation brigades should appear in the Aerospace Forces." laughing In short - "A lot of plans."
      I recently watched a video about the meeting of the President with the "staff" of the Obukhov plant. So he suggested to the "workers" of the enterprise that Russia manufactures as many air defense missiles in a year as the rest of the world in the same year. Yes
      So, based on the Text of this review + said by the President, I am ready to bet that in the secret pages of this "reform" a separate item is an order to immediately create a Special Kremlin-Rublyov Air Defense Corps in case something reaches the Moscow Region from "country 404". To protect, so to speak, your loved ones, your children, and, of course, everything that is acquired by overwork in the field of caring for the Russian state. laughing This joke is so sad - sad.
      For sim with respect, hi
      1. +4
        19 January 2023 17: 57
        Quote: K-36
        So, based on the Text of this review + said by the President, I am ready to bet that in the secret pages of this "reform" a separate item is an order to immediately create a Special Kremlin-Rublyov Air Defense Corps in case something reaches the Moscow Region from "country 404".

        For this, there is the 1st Order of Lenin Army of Special Purpose Air and Missile Defense, consisting of three divisions - two air defense and one missile defense. wink
      2. +3
        19 January 2023 23: 26
        You seem to know something important and secret. Here today:

        What is the Moscow region here ...
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  11. +4
    19 January 2023 09: 25
    1,5 million ... Yes, at least five I don’t mind, but I have questions, we’ll pull it economically, and if so, then it won’t be so - a large monetary allowance, more than now there are still benefits to existing ones, and then, hop, and "500 "And again a machine gun for people" from the plow ", who pay all taxes and fees regularly, so that everything is for the Army?
  12. +7
    19 January 2023 09: 30
    The main problem is personnel. Where to get them? Junior officers from existing military schools, this year's early graduation probably, and then? In an abbreviated curriculum? In principle, it is possible, as during the Chechen wars, to train contract soldiers and ensigns at officer courses.
    With privates and sergeants it is more difficult. Only in one of the brigades, about 700 people quit after the start of the SVO. I don’t think that now the people will trample on a shaft for a contract in the army, in the newly formed units.
    Everything is clear about the equipment, there is no modern one, the bases are full of junk. Can be removed from storage and used until a new one is available.
  13. +15
    19 January 2023 09: 35
    Quote: Gvardeetz77
    only the Temple and the Patriot Park can be added to the asset

    So there my dear daughter feeds. So everything is within.
  14. 0
    19 January 2023 09: 53
    I can imagine how a person comes to the military registration and enlistment office and says - I want to serve under a contract, but only in one of the new military districts.
    Him - yes, yes of course, sign the contract.
    He signs, and he is sent to Ukraine.
  15. +9
    19 January 2023 12: 52
    "3 years is needed. And a lot of money," the minister said. “And there already: either I, or a donkey, or a padishah,” he added already to himself.
  16. +9
    19 January 2023 13: 18
    In his new report, the Minister of Defense mentioned the need to strengthen the navy, aerospace forces and strategic missile forces. This time, the Minister did not touch upon the issues of changing the structure of the Aerospace Forces.

    But in vain. What kind of reform is this if the Space Forces are not once again renamed and reassigned.
    And by the way, a pogroms will Aerospace Forces will be divided into Air Force and Air Defense? And then something has not been reformed for a long time. wink
  17. 0
    19 January 2023 21: 42
    The number of 1,5 million servicemen of the RF Armed Forces is more or less reasonable, but there are big doubts about the realism of the next road map. How will they staff a considerable additional number under the contract, because supposedly they will not additionally call up conscripts, where will new equipped military camps, modern equipment and weapons come from in a short time?
  18. +2
    19 January 2023 23: 24
    Putin and Shoigu themselves do not use the words reform and reform, realizing how much they have developed a negative associative array. Here we can rather talk about the revival, albeit at a new level.
    And so, the Guarantor just didn’t have enough to declare one more “reform”, the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, pension, healthcare or some other one - he will have to become emperor, since normally the transit of power will not work even for himself in the 24th, they have already reformed.
    The time has come to restore everything, but then all the previous "reforms" should be recognized as destruction, and this is not pleasant ....
    Therefore, let them do it, if they can, of course. Or others will do.
    Breaking - not building.
    PS Classmates write that Shoigu said yesterday that my former school in Novocherkassk, closed in 2011, will be restored. For it’s worse than with communications with us only with beards on the front line, but they are fighting with them. But, I myself have not heard, therefore, so far as gossip.
  19. +4
    19 January 2023 23: 37
    what reforms? Who will make them? Are these people proteges of Putin and his entourage? They have already carried out a reform of the army and navy worth 20 trillion rubles by 2020. Where is this money and where are the fruits of these reforms? CBO showed that nothing had really been done. There was a continuous window dressing, chatter and squandering of the treasury.

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