Recent successes of the Poseidon project

The Russian industry continues to develop the promising uninhabited underwater vehicle "Poseidon" and creates the entire complex of weapons as a whole. To date, this project has passed through the first few stages, and various tests are now reported, incl. using standard media. Each such event brings the completion of the development and adoption of the Poseidon into service.

Recent successes

On July 8, 2022, a solemn ceremony was held at the Sevmash plant in Severodvinsk to accept a new submarine, the special-purpose ship BS-329 Belgorod, into the Navy. According to official data, this nuclear submarine is intended for deep-sea research, rescue operations, etc. At the same time, it is believed that Belgorod should also become the first Poseidon carrier.

In early October, sources in NATO reported that on the eve of the nuclear submarine "Belgorod" left its base and left in an unknown direction. It was assumed that the ship went to one of the sea ranges to test the Poseidon apparatus. About a month later, the submarine returned home.

The goals and results of the campaign remained unknown. However, foreign intelligence agencies claimed that no firing was carried out during the exit to the sea. Without any evidence, the failure of such tests due to technical problems was reported. In this regard, a new exit to the sea for the next tests was expected.

Now it became known that the tests of "Poseidon" were indeed carried out. On January 10, the TASS agency reported on events of this kind. From a source close to the Ministry of Defense, it learned that the Belgorod submarine had recently conducted a series of throw tests of a new weapons. In such tests, instead of a full-fledged Poseidon, its weight and size layout was used.

Model for testing, 2018-19

Similar tests were carried out in order to test and develop the launch systems of the underwater vehicle. In addition, the behavior of the carrier submarine was checked after the launch of the Poseidon from different depths. The results of such tests, for obvious reasons, are not specified.

On January 16, TASS also reported on the new successes of the Poseidon project. This time, an unnamed source spoke about the completion of separate tests of all key components and components of the underwater vehicle, incl. nuclear power plant.

In addition, according to him, the industry has produced the first Poseidons ammunition for equipping the Belgorod nuclear submarine. In the near future, these products can be placed on a regular carrier. At the same time, the number of devices in the ship's ammunition load remains unknown.

With carrier

Thus, one of the most interesting and daring domestic projects of recent times is successfully moving forward. The design of all the main systems and units of the underwater vehicle has been completed, which made it possible to conduct their separate tests, probably under test bench conditions. Field tests have also begun - so far only throw tests.

The most important event was the completion of construction and testing of the new Belgorod special-purpose nuclear submarine. Poseidon carrier accepted fleet and began a full-fledged service, which gives new opportunities to the entire program as a whole. As reported, such opportunities are already being used as part of the testing of advanced technology.

Recent ones news allow you to imagine what work will be carried out in the near future. Soon, full-fledged sea trials of underwater vehicles in full standard configuration, but with inert combat equipment instead of a nuclear warhead, should start. The submarine "Belgorod" will have to demonstrate the processes of preparation and launch, and the "Poseidons" themselves will confirm the calculated characteristics and combat capabilities.

Submariners on trials, 2018-19

The successful completion of already several stages of the project gives reason for optimism and positive forecasts for the future. It should be expected that the underwater complex in the form of the Belgorod carrier submarine and the Poseidon apparatus will cope with sea and other tests and will be able to enter service in the foreseeable future.

Such a complex will strengthen the Russian Navy and strategic nuclear forces. Due to it, the fleet and strategic nuclear forces will receive fundamentally new opportunities for strategic deterrence or strikes against critical targets of a potential enemy. At the same time, the Poseidons will actually supplement the existing weapons, which will make the strategic nuclear forces more flexible and efficient.

Technical potential

The nuclear submarine BS-329 "Belgorod" was laid down in 1992 and was originally built according to the serial project 949A "Antey". In the future, however, construction was stopped for a while and resumed. In 2012, the ship was relaid for further completion according to the new project 09852. In this regard, it was transferred to the category of special-purpose submarines.

As is now known, Belgorod was rebuilt into a Poseidon-type submersible carrier. What changes the original design has undergone is unknown. It is obvious that the submarine was able to carry a large-sized apparatus, but detailed information is not available. In particular, it is not known exactly how the Poseidon is placed on board the submarine. According to popular versions, it is transported "on an external sling". The possibility of placing such a product in a special compartment below deck was also demonstrated.

Having received new equipment and weapons, the Belgorod nuclear submarine retained a number of systems and relevant parameters. In particular, driving characteristics and qualities should have remained at the same level. Due to this, the submarine is able to reach any area of ​​the World Ocean and launch the Poseidon.

The Poseidon product itself is a super-heavy torpedo or a compact submarine approx. 20-25 m with a body diameter of up to 2 m. Earlier it was reported that the device will be able to reach a speed of approx. 100 knots, but later the estimates of this parameter were reduced. Due to the nuclear power plant, a global range is achieved.

One of the tests, 2018-19

A new control system must be developed for the apparatus, capable of independently fulfilling the assigned tasks for a long time. The main thing is delivery to a given point of the warhead. Poseidon was mentioned in the past to carry a 100 Mt thermonuclear warhead, but the expected yield has since been reduced to 1-2 Mt.

According to available data and estimates, Poseidon is being created as a means of guaranteed retaliatory strike in the event of a nuclear war. Such devices, in response to the first strike, will have to deliver powerful warheads to naval bases and other enemy targets and hit them.

It is assumed that due to the combination of tactical and technical characteristics, the Poseidon product will be almost impossible to detect and intercept in a timely manner. However, he can deal extremely high damage. The possible consequences of detonating even a "low-yield" 1-2 Mt warhead should warn a potential adversary against rash actions.

It should be noted that the introduction of the Poseidon submersible does not preclude the preservation of "traditional" strategic missile submarines. Ships with SLBMs will continue to be on duty. However, the Navy and Strategic Nuclear Forces will have a new tool for solving the problems of strategic deterrence.

Responsible stages

Thus, to date, the Poseidon project has gone through several crucial stages. According to known data, the tasks set have been successfully completed, and the project is moving to the next stage. Now full-fledged tests will be carried out using a standard carrier.

How long the next work will continue is not yet known. However, their results are generally predictable. At the previous stages, the necessary scientific and technical foundation was laid and the most complex technical problems were solved. Now we are talking about the use of existing technologies and developments. Accordingly, "Poseidon" has every chance to pass the necessary tests and then enter service.

Comments

[Andrey Moskvin]

warhead with a capacity of 100 Mt, but subsequently the expected yield decreased to 1-2 Mt.
It's -7 outside, feels like -17. Wow spread.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

power decreased to 1-2 Mt.

It will not be enough! Not enough!

[former soldier]

power decreased to 1-2 Mt.

It will not be enough! Not enough!

Calculations are calculations, but it is theoretically necessary to test on an object close to the real one. For example, demolish Antarctica to edren Fene I'm kidding, of course, bad and evil.

[Skif]

Of course it's a joke! Antarctica is not to blame for anything.

[Oleg Kirikov]

According to the classification, this is a megaton-class nuclear weapon. From 1 mt or more, it is a super-powerful charge. So it still won’t seem small. But 25 is still better. was never, except for one 58 mt.

[avg]

Where 25, there it is quite possible to make 50 or more. If the calderas of volcanoes in Iceland are going to undermine, or disturb Yellowstone, then that will be the most. And most importantly, it's scary, the Yankees love it when it's scary

[NDR-791]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

It's -7 outside, feels like -17. Wow spread.

What is the point of fencing such a fool because of 1-2Mt? In terms of dimensions, the b / h is quite suitable in size to the "Kuzka's mother", otherwise it was a long time ago and not perfect in modern times. So 50-100Mt is quite a reality. And talking about 1-2 is so as not to unnerve the frightened idiots once again. Such weapons are used either once or en masse, but also once. There is no point in 1-2 Mt in this case.

[timokhin-aa]

What is the point of fencing such a fool because of 1-2Mt?

Money. This project, with some interruptions, has been feeding people since the mid-80s of the last century.
Absolutely champion drank.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: timokhin-aa

This project, with some interruptions, has been feeding people since the mid-80s of the last century.

And its roots lie back in the early 50s - in the original project 627 with the T-15 torpedo.

[ermak124.0]

You seem to be an expert in cutting and you know something about the topic. Tell me more, is it very interesting to know? And then everyone and everywhere talks about him, without going into details.

[Deon59]

We probably have so little money to demolish the Earth with nuclear weapons that again a bunch of bobbles are being spent on an incomprehensible project. From Poseidon, Zircons, Daggers, the United States does not tremble with fear. But from the conduct of the NWO, they lost all fear of the power of RUSSIA

[timokhin-aa]

Do you know how to use the site search?

Here's an example:

Once, this is my article, purely on logic
https://topwar.ru/152577-posejdon-bespoleznoe-sverhoruzhie-atomnyj-dron-ne-tak-uzh-i-polezen-dlja-strany.html

Two, written by a person who had access to a number of topics related to the project.
https://topwar.ru/155207-statusnyj-tupik.html

Three.
https://nvo.ng.ru/concepts/2019-03-22/1_1038_poseidon.html

Four
https://topwar.ru/176056-esche-raz-o-spa-posejdon-status-6.html

Enough? American assessments are also, in principle, quite adequate.

[Leontrotsky]

Well, if you think like that, then the avant-gardes, Sarmatians, and other Yars would not have appeared. Do you have any grounds for such high-profile statements? And considering how many new developments (and some of them have been implemented) have come out lately, most likely, Poseidon will also be implemented. And, I think, over time with 100Mt. For for a carrier that moves in water, weight is an order of magnitude less important than for a carrier that moves in the clouds.

[timokhin-aa]

More than weighty, higher in the thread links on the topic

[AvesevA]

It is foolish to substantiate your opinion and defend it when there is no actual opinion. You simply refer to links like you who decided to just speculate. All these military experts are not worth a penny, and the NWO proved it. No "expert" could predict anything. It's the same here. There is not a single proof of the veracity of their words, and the experts themselves are not guarantors to believe or not to believe them. Only guesses, thoughts in the ear, assumptions, manipulation of the reader's opinion. I believe the doctor because he studied half his life, but why should I trust some obscure anonymous expert? And the assessments of foreigners do not bother me all the more, because they work for their audience, and you never know what motives they have.

[Silver99]

The trick is that the United States cannot respond with similar weapons due to the lack of coastal targets in Russia except for the Pacific coast, while the adversaries themselves are geographically surrounded by oceans and will be guaranteed to be washed away, thus nature itself is for Russia, the new strait named after Comrade Stalin becomes real perspective.

[Machito]

Quote from Silver99

The trick is that the United States cannot respond with similar weapons due to the lack of coastal targets in Russia except for the Pacific coast, while the adversaries themselves are geographically surrounded by oceans and will be guaranteed to be washed away, thus nature itself is for Russia, the new strait named after Comrade Stalin becomes real perspective.

To increase the diarrhea of ​​sworn enemies in the West, it is necessary to make a cartoon of how enemy cities and coasts are washed into the ocean after 100 MT of Poseidon warheads are detonated. You can make a cartoon at 500 MT. And scarier.

[Oleg Kirikov]

They know it. And they themselves staged several feature films in the disaster genre about how they will be washed away by a kilometer wave. I didn’t watch about the explosion of the caldera, but it seems that there is one too.

[meandr51]

Not a cartoon, but a normal blockbuster. And entrust it to Cameron or Spielberg. As a last resort, Bekmabetov. And flood them with all Western networks.

[timokhin-aa]

The trick is that the United States cannot respond with similar weapons due to the lack of coastal targets in Russia, except for the Pacific coast

But they don’t need it, they will cover the target with an ordinary ballistic missile and that’s it. They don't need to spend money on this nonsense.
We, by the way, can also do this with missiles, and we also do not need to spend money on this nonsense.

On the other hand, look at approaches to Seattle by water, for example.
It is very interesting how the super-torpedo will crawl through there.
With the highest possible degree of probability

[Alexey RA]

Quote: timokhin-aa

But they don’t need it, they will cover the target with an ordinary ballistic missile and that’s it. They don't need to spend money on this nonsense.
We, by the way, can also do this with missiles, and we also do not need to spend money on this nonsense.

Moreover, ICBMs and SLBMs, at least for the moment, have three absolute advantages: speed of response, inevitability, globality. That is, they carry retaliation for a maximum of half an hour, they are not intercepted after launch, their targets are not tied to any geographical features, such as the coast.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alexey RA

Moreover, ICBMs and SLBMs ... have three absolute advantages ...

So it is, but here it is:

1. Starting from 10 seconds, SLBMs / ICBMs are detected by the IR system of the spacecraft for monitoring and warning of ballistic missile launches (EWS in our opinion). And such a system is ALREADY deployed by the Yankees;
2. at the very least, but they still have (a bit true) a national missile defense system: on the shore of the GBI, and on ships - MPRO - which can also intercept our SLBMs at OUT for up to 85 seconds ...
3. after the explosion of the SBP in the atmosphere (air, ground, etc.), all the FVU / FVA operate according to option No. 2, some according to option No. 3 - in a closed cycle. They still drive "air", purifying it from r / a impurities ...
Now imagine undermining SBP products 3M29 in the marine environment:

1. The spacecraft of the early warning system does not detect it until the moment of detonation;
2. in order to detect and destroy before undermining, you need a huge squad of forces - mobile PLS! - and it’s not a fact that it can be effectively neutralized with something else, besides GB with SBP. (and they have long been decommissioned by the US Navy!);
3. Now it is modestly considered that the TSUNAMI will be "only" 500m high ... and will sweep 200-500 km from the water's edge into the depths of the continent ... This is so.
BUT !!! This is water, and radioactive! You can’t filter it out by FVU / FVA, everything that is not hermetically sealed will be FLOODED! Everyone who was hiding in underground APs will simply drown! PARAGRAPH.
And the last. Product 3M29, among other things, also hunts for AMG on the high seas. Our SLBMs cannot yet do this. Yes, work in this direction is underway, but so far they are not in service.
Therefore, "let it be". There is nothing superfluous in the arsenal of the Fatherland ... especially a "monster from the depths".
Something like that, however. AHA.

[Sumotori_380]

A tsunami 500 meters high at 200-500 km from the water's edge is the fall of an asteroid of the Eltanin or Chicxulub type - a dozen or two kilometers in diameter with a corresponding mass and energy higher than six or seven orders of magnitude. That is, tera- and exatons of TNT instead of megatons

[Guran33 Sergey]

It’s just that an explosion of 20 mt at a depth of one and a half to two and a half km gives the same effect .. a secondary tsunami will also run deep into the continent and this is not water, but a radioactive mixture of silt

[Sumotori_380]

Is the SOSUS system still working for the adversary?

[timokhin-aa]

The original SOSUS is mothballed, but they have other FOSS, working, in the seas adjacent to our territory.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

1. Starting from 10 seconds, SLBMs / ICBMs are detected by the IR system of the spacecraft for monitoring and warning of ballistic missile launches (EWS in our opinion). And such a system is ALREADY deployed by the Yankees;

Well, then they will die informed of the approach of death.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

2. at the very least, but they still have (a bit true) a national missile defense system: on the shore of the GBI, and on ships - MPRO - which can also intercept our SLBMs at OUT for up to 85 seconds ...

In general, I have little hope for the launch of SLBMs - taking into account the well-known problems with ensuring the exit and duty of the SSBNs. And ICBMs will come to the zone of potential interception already in the form of warheads.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

3. after the explosion of the SBP in the atmosphere (air, ground, etc.), all the FVU / FVA operate according to option No. 2, some according to option No. 3 - in a closed cycle. They still drive "air", purifying it from r / a impurities ...

Well, the army team can and will survive. But civilians and infrastructure are already in question. The collateral and secondary damage may turn out to be no more than direct blows.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

1. The spacecraft of the early warning system does not detect it until the moment of detonation;

And SOSUS does not detect aircraft - that means the Tu-95 is a wunderwaffe.
AUV detection is a PLO task. The same PLO, the breakthrough of which even in the mid-80s was an extremely difficult task.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

2. to detect and destroy before undermining, you need a huge outfit of forces - mobile PLS!

We need a quiet and inconspicuous systematic operation of the North Atlantic PLO, bringing together data from all detection systems into a single center. The easiest way for an adversary would be to restore the Faroe-Icelandic border (by shifting part of the costs to NATO colleagues) and increase the number of GPBA carriers .. In general, the 80s on a new base.
However, now the adversary is even easier - you can guard our carrier right at the base.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

and it’s not a fact that it can be effectively neutralized with something else, besides GB with SBP. (and they have long been decommissioned by the US Navy!);

Mark 48 on the intersecting.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

And the last. Product 3M29, among other things, also hunts for AMG on the high seas.

Uh-huh... and cross-stitch.
Who will issue the product to the control center (and transfer it to the depth)? 4 passive and 1 active Liana satellite? Or your own GAS with a tiny antenna? The dimensions of the case are approximately known - and it is impossible to stuff an elephant like the BQQ-10 into the saucepan of the head part.

[Sumotori_380]

I met rumors that the TU-95, known for its noise, even detects SOSUS)

[timokhin-aa]

1. The spacecraft of the early warning system does not detect it until the moment of detonation;

But the acoustics are very catchy

[Eule]

Quote: NDR-791

According to dimensions

The photo shows two different machines. The gray sausage on the title is about one and a half meters, I found something to cling to for scale. On the second checkered - a diameter of about 650 mm, it is easier there with large-scale objects of known sizes.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

water, and radioactive!

Not certainly in that way. The water from the "neighborhood" of the charge will be radioactive, and the wave will come ashore from the coastal one. There is also the problem of the "collapse" of the bubble cavity during a deep-water explosion, when a compression wave follows the expansion wave, and at some distances it overtakes the first one.
A separate moment is the social stratification of the United States. With a successful detonation point at the mouth of the Hudson (which is actually pronounced Hudson in English rules), problem areas with high-rise social housing with welfare recipients will be demolished. The savings for the US budget will be hundreds of millions a year.
The prosperously working white population lives mainly in private homes, and the main industries are far enough from the coasts, and washing away blacks from benefits will only cause gloating.

[meandr51]

Professor Boyarshinov clearly showed that no compact YaZ will make any wave higher than a few meters. Tsunamis are generated by the movement of huge tectonic plates. There, the energy and area of ​​​​impact cannot be compared with any bombs. A nuclear warhead with cobalt can produce radioactive vapor that will fall on the continent.

[Leontrotsky]

The more diverse the weapon, the more variety there will be in its application and the more likely it will reach its destination. Not Seattle alone. There are many places off the coast of America, friend Horatio, of strategic importance, where Poseidon may well get to the bottom. And it's the same with Seattle. If an ocean liner passes, why not a torpedo pass?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Leontrotsky

The more diverse the weapon, the more variety there will be in its application and the more likely it will reach its destination.

The problem is that all this diversity requires money, resources, industrial capacities and personnel. And all this in the real world is limited. That is, you can build one thing only at the expense of something else.
For example, "Poseidon" at the moment cost the fleet one missed new SSGN. And that's just for the hulls.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

look at approaches, for example, to Seattle by water. It is very interesting how a super-torpedo will crawl through there.
Not suitable for Seattle, deeply hidden in islands and bays. But for San Diego or Norfolk it is. And why should we limit ourselves to the naval base, and not wet the wings of the city of angels (Los Angeles) or let the woman at Manhattan (the Statue of Liberty) wash at least once?

[Corwin]

Ah-ah-ah... And Las Vegas in any way! Yes, what is it!

[vadimtt]

In modern realities, the power of a thermonuclear charge is determined not so much by dimensions as by common sense.
So 1MT there or 1000MT is a military secret
Also, the issue of "super effects" at 100MT has not been unambiguously resolved, and if an air blast is one thing, then an underwater blast is a completely different alignment, what if the ocean "on fire"?

[abrakadabre]

and if an air blast is one thing, then an underwater blast is a completely different alignment, what if the ocean "lights up"?

Will not light up. At least massively, on a planetary scale. Because the pressure at the epicenter will be such that it will very quickly push all possible fuel, that is, water, to the sides. After that, expanding, it will quickly overcome (down) the threshold of a self-sustaining reaction and the "firework" will die out. Moreover, the fusion cycle with ordinary hydrogen is not at all like the cycle with deuterium-tritium. The requirements are much higher.
For a reaction to become irreversibly self-sustaining, not only is an appropriate initiation of the reaction required, but also an appropriate external pressure that will constantly keep the reaction zone dense enough to keep fusion alive. Boundary parameters can be found in popular books on astronomy

[Zagrebun]

That is, one more star in the solar system cannot be ignited. I don’t know for sure, but there could be an interesting ending to our civilization. Bright.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

warhead with a capacity of 100 Mt, but subsequently the expected yield decreased to 1-2 Mt.
It's -7 outside, feels like -17. Wow spread.

So, what can be argued if no one, or any, specific performance characteristics have been disclosed. Everything is at the level of possible technical and science fiction assumptions. No more. Therefore, the spread is from 1 to 100 Mt. As they say, today is summer, it will be warm, maybe there will be no wind, although it is likely that it will blow from somewhere, we will tell you tomorrow about precipitation and a more accurate forecast for today. So it is with the "Poseidon", I honestly even doubt the size, in general it is known that there is, and that's it.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

warhead with a capacity of 100 Mt, but subsequently the expected yield decreased to 1-2 Mt.
It's -7 outside, feels like -17. Wow spread.

So only a limited number of people know the truth...

[TANKISTONE]

Andrey Moskvin (out of habit) It's -7 outside, feels like -17. Wow spread. This is the whole Ryabov: (...The goals and results of the campaign remained unknown... ...The results of such tests, for obvious reasons, are not specified... ...At the same time, the number of vehicles in the ship's ammunition load remains unknown... ...What the original design has undergone changes, it is not known ...
Thus, one of the most interesting and daring domestic projects of recent times is successfully moving forward.).

[svoroponov]

This is one of the journalists or leading programs blurted out about 100 and went for a walk in the press. The maximum is probably up to 50. A similar one has just passed some tests, the design of the charge has been developed and its energy capabilities are known. But from 2 to 5 MT is not bad either.
And the carrier has already been launched, and a few months ago there was a message that the first batch of torpedoes had arrived for loading.
They are not in a hurry, but they are in a hurry to put them into service.

[Reader 2013]

What a monstrous, senseless cut of huge money

[NDR-791]

Quote: Citatelle 2013

What a monstrous, senseless cut of huge money

Yes, it is really a heinous crime to cut huge funds without your participation.
Or will you be one of the Sharikovs - "take away and divide"?

[timokhin-aa]

That's right, it's a waste of money and nothing more.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: timokhin-aa

That's right, it's a waste of money and nothing more.

Alexander,
This is most likely (among other things) also a lever of political pressure on the Yankees. They are already demanding that 3M29 be included in the list for discussion of the new START ...
Secondly, this is our "asymmetric" Yankee response to all their attempts to drive us into a corner on new weapons.
Thirdly, our military-industrial complex is the engine (locomotive) of technical progress. And he still needs to be fed.
In addition, ROSATOM is also the Burevestnik, which boomed in Neoksa ... taking the lives of 5 inventors ... And we also need a compact transport nuclear power plant for space exploration. So everything is connected here.
Therefore, in my opinion, you are not quite right.
AHA.

[timokhin-aa]

We've been spinning this dope machine since the days of the early Reagan. Not an argument

[svoroponov]

Any weapon is a cut of money, but there is no way without a weapon.

[Reader 2013]

Corruption is not so annoying as the inability to join it))))

[rotmistr60]

Quote: Citatelle 2013

What monstrous, senseless squandering huge money

Do you have evidence of misappropriation of budgetary funds in the creation of these weapons? Or are you an opponent of the creation of new Russian weapons, because. do you think it's "meaningless"?

[Reader 2013]

Read, even here on VO there are a lot of articles about the complete uselessness of these weapons

[Vert]

If they scold, then we are going in the right direction.

[timokhin-aa]

Since oncologists say that lung cancer is possible from cigarettes, then you should smoke.

[Bad_gr]

Quote from Vert

If they scold, then we are going in the right direction.

Of course in the right way. If earlier warheads with great destructive power, solving strategic tasks, could fly only by air, now such happiness can appear from under the water and there is no protection against it - an explosion in the sea, and a wave for many kilometers deep into the continent from the coast will make a desert.
Moreover, this is in addition to what will fly through the air.
Let them be afraid.

[Sumotori_380]

IMHO tsunamis are formed when the vibrations of the seabed transfer energy to the ALL mass of the water above this section of the bottom. And an explosion, even a nuclear one, is a point source.

[timokhin-aa]

There is practically protection against such a system, but for the price it is like a missile division. Read something on the subject.

[hagen]

Quote: Citatelle 2013

even here on VO there are a lot of articles about the complete uselessness of these weapons

And here solid nuclear theorists gathered, authoritative experts ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Hagen

And here solid nuclear theorists gathered, authoritative experts ...

No, people gathered here who remember the laws of physics.
And sincerely perplexed - why make a long-range torpedo moving in enemy-controlled waters and hit by modern anti-aircraft defense systems, if the same tasks can be solved by already existing mass-produced means - ICBMs and SLBMs. SBCs of which it is almost impossible to intercept, and the area of ​​destruction of targets of which is not tied to the coastline.
It’s reluctant to talk about the need for a carrier for this gross torpedo. Especially against the background of the fact that even the SSBNs near their shores have practically nothing to cover the fleet with.

And the opinion of the wise and multi-star experts from the fleet is extremely valuable. Especially if you remember how the same experts authoritatively substantiated the need for the ever-memorable pr. 22160 - to which, with the start of the fighting, the ground modules of the "torus" had to be fastened with ropes.
Well, or you can remember how in 1980 competent professionals from the 1st Institute of the Navy for a couple of months issued two completely opposite conclusions on the same ship - the amphibious anti-submarine helicopter carrier pr. 10200: in August 1980 - positive, and in September of the same 1980 - completely negative (does not meet the requirements of the Navy in terms of the survivability of the ship and its power plant, unsinkability and levels of physical fields; construction is unacceptable).

[Thorvlobnor IV]

My logic is stalled by the need to have a super-expensive and unique carrier for a torpedo that has a potentially unlimited range. Why (???) make a ship that will be under the vigilant supervision of the enemy, if a torpedo can be launched stupidly "from the pier", if it is so "smart"?

[timokhin-aa]

Incl. those who read a number of documents on this topic, incl. closed.

[Humpty]

Quote: Citelle 2013

Read, even here on VO there are a lot of articles about the complete uselessness of these weapons

Sometimes they also write about the futility of electric heating. Or the denial of the Mongol invasion of Rus' in the 13th century. Nothing, be patient. But there are supporters of the mentioned theories.

[timokhin-aa]

And sometimes they urge fingers not to poke into the socket. But stubborn not for the future.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

Ha ha! Citizen N. had any number of facts of misuse of budgetary funds, and where is he now, let me ask?
How do you think the Poseidon robot navigates at depth without surfacing? With a magnetic compass? Sonar like a whale? Feels "skin" the direction and temperature of currents? It's good to put your ears under the noodles.

[digger]

How is nothing known about the number of Poseidons? Everything is known. There are 6 of them. are located in drum / revolver mechanisms in the bow on both sides, three units each. The photo shows huge hatches of launchers in the bow of the carrier ...... The hull as the basis from Antey ... only elongated and rounded (Antey's body is flattened like a loaf) ... a cabin from the Borey project.

[Dead duck]

oh those pictures...
1. they lengthened the central part, and not the bow (it will not fit there).
2. Can you imagine how much ballast the submarine will take into the bow compartment when this fool is launched?
3. rational and practical placement in the center of the rugged body or outside

[abrakadabre]

rational and practical placement in the central part of the robust housing or outside it

I would even suggest that just for reasons of stability during launch, the lower drop-down hatch with a lowering manipulator is more advantageous than a gas-generating start. Like a bomb bay on airplanes. Even with understandable technical troubles with sealing such a large opening in a rugged case.
This will also greatly reduce the acoustic signature at the moment of launch. The product can start smoothly by maneuvering away from the carrier, followed by acceleration to cruising speed away from the submarine.
Indeed, unlike a torpedo attack, there are no such severe restrictions on the speed of destruction and power reserve. But there are very strict requirements for maintaining stealth and leaving the submarine from the launch zone. The usual torpedo launch greatly unmasks the boat for enemy sonar.
And this means that they will hit at the launch point and near something very powerful. Hoping not only to damage the carrier, but also the launching Poseidon. This is not an ICBM, which is gaining space speed and flies away from the launch very quickly.

[timokhin-aa]

2. Can you imagine how much ballast the submarine will take into the bow compartment when this fool is launched?

Belgorod is made from the 949AM project, it has a huge block of ballast tanks under its strong hull with the ability to quickly fill, just to compensate for changes in the displacement of the boat during missile launches, including mass ones.
So no problem.

[Plate]

Quote: Deadush

oh those pictures...

It's funny that if you just write some nonsense, then everyone will see that it's nonsense. And if you write nonsense in a beautiful font in a translucent frame on top of a picture suitable for the topic, then the number of people who trust this nonsense becomes sharply greater.

[bk316]

And if you write nonsense

If Alexander says it's not nonsense, then it's not nonsense.
Regarding the combat uselessness, I think that this is rather an argument for a contractual position.

[savage3000]

outside of it, Belgorod catches Losharik and other devices. and there are 6 torpedoes and they are inside. these are torpedoes

[Vladimir80]

Uselessness i. about. in that we do not dare to use it. Even if the wildest fantasies of the "patriots on the payroll" came true and such a complex was put into service, it would simply pull money from the budget and serve as an "info occasion" for TV propaganda

[timokhin-aa]

This is already the case in this case. Money pump.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Vladimir80

Even if the wildest fantasies of the "patriots on the payroll" came true and such a complex was put into service, it would simply pulled money from the budget .....

And the rest of the strategic missiles, being in mines and submarine missile carriers at this time, bring money to the state?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bad_gr

And the rest of the strategic missiles, being in mines and submarine missile carriers at this time, bring money to the state?

And the rest of the strategic missiles in which case will be able to fulfill their main task - to deliver an inevitable blow to the enemy's territory. Because of what they can be considered insurance - an investment in the world and the sovereignty of the country.
Unlike the Poseidon ANPA, whose chances of reaching the enemy's territory are about the same as those of the Tu-95 bomber with "cast iron" in the 60s of the last century. Moreover, this was known even at the time of the start of development.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Alexey RA

Unlike the Poseidon ANPA, whose chances of reaching the enemy's territory are about the same as those of the Tu-95 bomber with "cast iron" in the 60s of the last century.

And what can prevent Poseidon, for example, from exploding in the port of New York?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bad_gr

And what can prevent Poseidon, for example, from exploding in the port of New York?

The fact that he will have to cut there for a long and tedious time through all the lines of the PLO of the 2nd and 6th fleets with their stationary GAS, GPBA carriers, PLO aircraft and all sorts of KPUGs.
And then only if its carrier, right at the exit from the base, is not taken for escort by another "virgin". The OVR, thanks to one commander in chief, died due to the physical and moral old age of the materiel - almost all of its MPK and TS come from the 80s.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Alexey RA

And then only if its carrier, right at the exit from the base, is not taken for escort by another "virgin"

The carrier can shoot back immediately after leaving the base, at once there are all 6 pieces, which, each with their own route, will get to their targets. This is not a preemptive strike weapon, but a retaliation weapon, and as an additional tool for our "Perimeter". "Poseidon" by being in our arsenal, can slow someone down from making bad decisions regarding our country.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bad_gr

The carrier can shoot back immediately after leaving the base, at once there are all 6 pieces, which, each with their own route, will get to their targets.

There is only one question - how long will he get to the goal?
Question two - what will happen after the launch or movement of Poseidons is detected? It seems to me that after such a clock on the cover of one magazine they will converge at 12.

Quote: Bad_gr

This is not a preemptive strike weapon, but a retaliation weapon, and as an additional tool for our "Perimeter".

The weapon of retaliation is the SSBN with 16 SLBMs carrying 96-160 SBCs and capable of covering targets anywhere in the territory of a potential enemy. And not the former SSGN with 6 monoblock long-range torpedoes.
If we are not able to ensure the duty of the SLBM carriers and the guaranteed launch of missiles, then the exit of the Poseidon carrier with subsequent launch will also be impossible.

[bk316]

There is only one question - how long will he get to the goal?

Somehow everyone forgot the concept of their application.
They start not at the moment of making a decision, but at the moment of the start of combat duty.
They come to the coast and lie at the bottom.
End of duty are returned to the carrier.
Therefore, the answer to the question - not at all it is already there.

[timokhin-aa]

The "Posi" carrier cannot shoot immediately upon leaving the base, no way.

[Eule]

Quote: Bad_gr

what can prevent Poseidon, for example, from exploding in the port of New York?

The exit of the wake to the surface of the water, which is detected by the radar. Moreover, the effect manifests itself at any depth, the only question is at what distance from the boat it will be. Another thing is that an uninhabited vehicle has no time limits, and can hide under a tanker, get to the desired current and drift somewhere for half a year, then swim under a passing ship for some more to another current and so in a roundabout way reach the target, drown there is a warhead, and swim back with a fair current, and so several times, having mined the Hudson and the Chesapeake Bay. Although it would be cheaper to make a warhead release hatch in the bottom of Abramovich's submarine, and gradually mine all the necessary ports.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alexey RA

AUV "Poseidon", the chances of which to reach the territory of the enemy are about the same as the Tu-95 bomber with "cast iron" in the 60s of the last century. Moreover, this was known even at the time of the start of development.

Are you starting up the "old song about the main thing" again? Has the barrel organ rusted yet?
To which the authorities, the Leksin brothers, wrote that the Yankees cannot detect and destroy the AUV Poseidon, that the Yankees lack mobile means of submarines ... - but this does not convince you.
Then it’s better to talk about the T-14 or T-90M ... Closer to the body! AHA.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: timokhin-aa

Money pump.

The money pump is our businessmen, leaving profits and not only offshore. But here the money remains in the country and goes to the development of science, technology, and production.
Secondly, the project was approved by the military-technical commission under the President of the Russian Federation. Probably not quite stupid people sit there. Probably more than once calculated all the pros and cons.

[Maks1995]

So far, alas, this looks like a common win.
It has been discussed many times at VO.
An explosion in the sea will not give anything.
Explosion near the shore - A) we still have to come up. And the newest sensors, supposedly, capture everything quite well, and they will hammer everything that is.
B) is inferior in efficiency to an equivalent air explosion. (conventional "indestructible" missiles)

Just another contribution to the arms race.
No matter how much NATO wanted to spend massive amounts of money on new weapons (remember how TRUMP swore), but it will have to.

[uRRY]

As an option, inflate the air bubble under the belly of Ford and Co. One small bulk and that's it, the admiral's vacancy is free))

[abrakadabre]

One small bulk and that's it, the admiral's vacancy is free))

There, even before the big "bulk" there will be a very, very big "boom-boom" from the water hammer. If even a relatively small torpedo (in comparison with nuclear weapons) under the bottom is capable of breaking a sickly ship in half, then there are already many megatons under the keel, probably not only the paint will be scratched.

[timokhin-aa]

How to get into a Ford? He is moving in an unpredictable direction.
And in short, with homing along the wake, it was easier to shoot with an ordinary torpedo, even with a special warhead.

[Dimax-nemo]

Aiming at the CS very seriously reduces the firing range, because you also need to lay down to "catch up". But it is unlikely that all this was worth 2000 mm of caliber and a length of 20 m. This thing is not interesting as a torpedo. As an autonomous UAV - maybe, but that's a completely different story.

[K298rtm]

A torpedo with nuclear warheads was fired at the center of the warrant

[jdiver]

the point in such a torpedo could be, for example, if its goal is not to hit the coastal areas of the enemy, when passing to the coast, rising to the shelf depths and falling into the zone of destruction of anti-aircraft defense systems, but for example, if the goal is to defeat some unstable geological areas on sea/ocean floor. like faults and the like to provoke a more powerful natural cataclysm. For such a purpose, you do not need to rise to the surface and do not need special pointing accuracy. But I would rather believe in the topic of drinking than in such deep studies by our wisest leadership. Although it may turn out that they did it for the sake of drinking, but suddenly it will come in handy for launching something like a new Flood. But it is not exactly :)

[Ezekiel 25-17]

There are no data, hence the scatter. But if we assume 100 mt, then the weight of the warhead, the nuclear power itself \u20d ~ 80 tons, this is very approximate and is based on data from the XNUMXs of the last century.

[Bad_gr]

In particular, it is not known exactly how the Poseidon is placed on board the submarine. According to popular versions, it is transported "on an external sling". The possibility of placing such a product in a special compartment below deck was also demonstrated.

This is the first time I hear about such placement of torpedoes. Moreover, not just one torpedo, but 6 (this number is most often indicated in the press). If the external placement of torpedoes were considered, then the previous length of the boat would be quite enough (project 949A "Antey" - 154m), but by crashing a compartment into it, the boat was lengthened to 184m.
The boat passed the length of the "Shark" (project 941 - length according to DWL 172,8 m)

[Dimax-nemo]

100 knots require movement a la Flurry. So the speed is hardly more than 70 knots, but rather 50-60. We designed and made a 50 Mt charge only once, and it certainly would not fit there. Most likely, they "forced" one of the warheads that are already in service.

[megavolt823]

I see no prospects in torpedoes with a nuclear head. Were already. Well, the round dance is good, like Star Wars. Dust in the eyes.

[garri-lin]

Throw slippers, but from the very first mention I see Poseidon as the carrier of something like the Zircon / Dagger / Iskander rocket. With a very vigorous head.
And his advantage is not in speed but in stealth.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: garri-lin

And his advantage is not in speed but in stealth.

And this is true!
The thing is that our colleagues on the site for the most part do not even represent the psychology of people on board the NK, when the broadcast announces "Attention to combat posts! The ship is entering a zone DANGEROUS FROM SUBMARINES! Start searching for submarines in the sector. .." or Submarine Search Sector: XX-0-UU "...
Everyone's faces immediately become "serious" to the point of severity ... Everyone wants to live ... Therefore, it is not without reason that such carriers are called - MONSTER from the depths ...
AHA.

[garri-lin]

He said they would throw slippers. Minusators.
Poseidon is like a long arm against the AUG, definitely with an underwater detonation. But against ground objects, the meaning in an underwater explosion disappears. Several large naval bases as targets???? Meaning???? But will the American missile defense be able to track the launch of Zircon 500 km from the coast ??? I think no. And a huge amount of money is needed to eliminate this threat.

[Kirill Prozorovski]

Iranians catch drones. And if the Americans catch this Poseidon during tests and drag it away. Without warheads, it cannot even self-destruct.

[Oleg Kirikov]

2 mt is far from a low-power charge, sufficient to completely destroy a large metropolis. But why not at least 20. Such a fool, 2 m in diameter and 20 m long, could well carry this.

[Ivanov IV]

To make "Poseidon" with BC 1-2 Mt ???? This is insanity.
It makes sense to consider BC only from 100 Mt and above.

[Sumotori_380]

It is curious whether the Donetsk science fiction writer Fyodor Berezin rejoices, watching the embodiment of his fantasy live?

[savage3000]

oooh... author of my youth... oncoming cataclysm, stars, big black... but he wrote such nonsense, technically... he died like at 13. missed everything

[MMA Plover]

To cause a tsunami, a tectonic shift of the seabed is needed, with an upward push, reaching a size of several kilometers. The Yankees at 45 at a training ground in New Zealand dealt with this issue, they wanted to wash away a couple of the islands of Iwo Jima and Medway with a wave, I don’t remember exactly. As a result, they refused, the wave quickly died out, a nuclear charge cannot lift as much water as mother nature. The maximum that will wash away is taverns on Brighton Beach)

[Alexey RA]

Quote from MMA Plover

The maximum that will wash away is taverns on Brighton Beach)

How it poured from the soul! It suddenly became disgusting and conscientious; got it, goddamn it... ©
Finally, the secret plan of the Kremlin Chekists has been revealed - to strike at the very heart of Russian culture, at its best representatives, who are forced to hide abroad from the unbearable hardship of being under the heel of a totalitarian regime.

[savage3000]

According to popular versions, it is transported "on an external sling".
_________

Ryabov Kirill, where are you so smart from? Poseidon is not a mini-submarine, but a large torpedo. Belgorod carries about 6 of them. naturally inside the case.

[savage3000]

Poseidon was mentioned in the past to carry a 100 Mt thermonuclear warhead, but the expected yield has since been reduced to 1-2 Mt.
_________<<<<

Ryabov, where are you so smart from????

what 1-2 mt???? there is nothing to destroy with this charge. even aug will not suffer everything, not to mention coastal targets.

don't talk nonsense!

[Berg berg]

The comrade was mistaken, they decided to reduce the warhead not to 2 Mt, but twice from 100 - the latest data is 50 Mt! They considered it sufficient. Calculated computer strikes on England and the United States have already been shown.

[Pavel57]

It is impossible to hide the noise of the Poseidon propellers during the tests.

[kenpachi]

I understand correctly that the same people who previously believed in my statements about 70% of new technology, the uselessness of UAVs, planning bombs and other things believe in this wunderwaffe (they believe, because there are no exact data)?
You, friends, are really fabulous - you live like in a fairy tale, where one dryer jams a whole destroyer.

[AC130 Gunship]

What is the point of describing something that no one at all (with the exception of a narrow circle of people + (possibly) developers) knows at all?
They wrote that Belgorod went on duty with them. The fact that they do not need carriers at all. That-that, that-that. Then they will be based somewhere on Novaya Zemlya in hangars. Now development continues.
In short: we continue to watch cartoons. Avatar 2 just came out. And now they promise 3 and 4 more

[Landwarrior]

100 Mt? Well, this is the "Sakharov torpedo"

[Vlad Gor]

The dimensions of the carrier, its displacement are set in accordance with the warhead. Length 25 meters x per area (diameter 2,0 meters = 3,1416 sq. m) = 78,54 cubic meters. Dimensions allow you to install the "Tsar Bomba or Kuzkin's mother". All of North America must be completely destroyed. Since the population of Russia will be completely destroyed during a nuclear war, the warhead of Poseidon should be maximum, for example, one gigaton.

[bar]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

warhead with a capacity of 100 Mt, but subsequently the expected yield decreased to 1-2 Mt.

100 Mt was clearly written from the ceiling. They were afraid to test even the "kuzkin mother" of such power, they limited themselves to 50 Mt. But even she is still the most powerful.

[bar]

Quote: Pavel57

It is impossible to hide the noise of the Poseidon propellers during the tests.

But at his speed, it doesn't matter.

[Sergey Terin_2]

For a long time there were no reports in the press in the media of messages of this kind: the Russian Federation on the Kuril Islands carried out a nuclear test with a capacity of 1000 megatons. The tests were carried out in the normal mode. I give my head for cutting off Everyone would have forgotten about the supply of Abrams, Leopards of aircraft to Ukraine !!!

[Vashek]

Poseidon is a matter of the future, but the Skif, a container with a bottom rocket, Belgorod can arrange right now.

[usm5]

Actually, it's ridiculous to invest such money in weapons of retaliation. You might think that someone is interested in retribution after death. Sorry, but using weapons for such purposes is clinical idiocy. It seems to me that Poseidon is most likely a weapon of a preventive global disarming strike. After all, with the help of 4 devices of 100 megaton capacity, the United States instantly turns into the Stalin Strait, England will have enough of two Poseidons with a capacity of 50 megatons. Yes, and the Brussels Regional Committee will get the "nuts". At the same time, I do not understand why submarines are needed to launch such devices. With their range, they can be easily launched from coastal bases or from specially equipped civilian ships. Poseidons with a capacity of 1-2 megatons are most likely needed to destroy enemy ship groups and its naval bases, as well as enemy strategic submarine missile carriers. It makes sense to transport them to the place and time of defeat on a hidden carrier. The whole advantage of such a weapon lies precisely in the fact that it can be secretly delivered to the place of use and put into action at a time. And most importantly, for such a catastrophic strike, thousands of these weapons are not needed, but several dozen will be enough. Well, if someone does not calm down, such as the overly belligerent and eternally offended Poland, Finland, Sweden, Japan or the "Baltic Emirates", then Vanguards, Sarmatians, Daggers and other hypersonic exotics will come into play. Such innocent fantasies sometimes swarm in my stupid head.

[Eug]

The strange title of the article - how to understand the word "last"? How about a story about the successes achieved to date in development and testing, or how about the fact that there will be no more successes?