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Why am I against legal short barrels

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Why am I against legal short barrels

The topic of legalizing the short barrel again surfaced on the network. And to the traditional arguments of the supporters of this movement, the rather painful topic of the mobile reserve has been added today. A person who legally owns a pistol is better prepared for combat than one who does not have this pistol! I wonder why?


The one who served in a normal army is better prepared, who is taught to work with those types of weapons that are assigned to him in military specialty. The one who, after the service, periodically underwent retraining in the military unit where, in the event of a mobilization announcement, he will have to serve.

Personally, I know cases when soldiers and sergeants, after the announcement of mobilization, themselves wrote to the commanders of the military units in which they served, so that they would be called up in their unit. But these are the ones who have recently retired. Those who are still remembered by the commanders.

We are already traditionally frightened by rampant crime, where weapon exists without legalization. An interesting argument is made. The perpetrator will know that the victim may have a gun in his pocket and will not attack. Have you seen enough films about all sorts of supermen? You have a gun in a holster, and the criminal has it in his hand. And he has nothing to lose.

I understand the reasons why this question is raised. And why it was raised by those who are most active on the network today, who are read and who are deservedly respected as a source of truthful information about the war. I even understand one of the main arguments of legalization supporters.

“In the republics, possession of weapons up to 12,7 mm is allowed and nothing. Crime hasn't gone up."

In the conditions of life in the front line, in fact, on the line of contact, this would be the right decision indeed. The armament of the people, actually ready-made people's militia in case of a sudden attack by the enemy. What about crime? On the other hand, they are not fools either, the criminals are well aware that no one will especially re-educate them. And to persuade to surrender too.

To be honest, as a person who for some time was very close to a pistol, who actually shared a pillow with him, I do not understand such a desire to have a weapon at home. Any person who has had to deal with a weapon due to official necessity knows perfectly well that a gun creates more problems than it really protects.

Any shot will cost you so many nerves that the second time you think to shoot or not to shoot. Even if you act strictly according to the law. How many people suffered for the notorious "excess"?.. The law is good, but any law is interpreted by a person. Alas, it is.

Why am I against "arming the people"?


I'll start with a simple, but for some reason little-covered question - why is a personal weapon needed at all? The question is banal. For protection! .. It's clear. Each of us is attacked in some way every day. Someone's phone was taken away, someone was sweared at in line at the supermarket checkout, someone looked at someone the wrong way, someone was cut off by a reckless driver on the road ...

And then my wife passed out in the morning. The dunce son again dragged the deuces from school. The chief-satrap warmed up for the unfulfilled work. The battery in the car was discharged when it was necessary to urgently go. The traffic cop is waving his stick. Yes, and a concussion, once received in a hot spot, affects. I am a normal person and I react quite adequately to all attacks, but in this case ...

And this is where the biggest danger lies. A man without a weapon and a man with a weapon are completely different people. How many neighbors in your high-rise building do you know? Units! Can you easily resolve conflict with words? Ordinary human language?

Silly questions? But these are very serious questions. He took out a gun, and your opponent immediately agreed with your arguments. Or shot back. The responsibility of a "man with a gun" in a normal civilian life is an order of magnitude higher than that of a person without this same gun.

I remembered a recent video of a soldier's attempt to capture the enemy. Quite justified during the war episode. Or you, or you. He offered to surrender, they tried to deceive and turn their guns on you. The answer is destruction. Correctly during the war, but during the world? In a peaceful environment.

Once upon a time, back in the days of the USSR, we had a new "weapon" - martial arts. The generation of "survival time" remembers this very well, the rest of the militants of the late XX century to help. Then there was no coach who would not start training with the fact that karate is, first of all, a way of protection. But in life, everything turned out to be the opposite. The short barrel is exactly the same weapon.

Alas, our society is not ready to legalize weapons. What is legally in the hands of the population today is quite enough for protection and other things. We talk a lot about education, about ideology, about some kind of training of the mob staff. And we all agree that we have seams with this in our country. And full. And in the case of the legalization of the short barrel, all of a sudden, everything will be all right with us! ..

One more thing. From films about American cops. Think about the actions of our police officers in the event that the wearing of short barrels is allowed. No matter how cynical it sounds, but I fully admit the execution of detainees simply because of the possibility of using pistols against employees.

Not so climbed for documents and received a bullet from an employee. And it's legal. The employee in this case is a representative of the government. And he is not obliged to deal with the fact that the criminal is going to shoot at him or a law-abiding citizen took out a gun to give to an employee. He has one life, family, children and everything else is present in the same way as other men and women.

This is probably why I believe that the legalization of short barrels is not a solution to the problem, but, on the contrary, an aggravation of this problem. Precisely due to the fact that our society has not yet matured for this. How many corpses do we have "on account" of premium weapons? How many hunters die every year at the opening of the hunt? Units, you say? Yes, the numbers are shocking. But these are trained and repeatedly verified owners of officially registered weapons!

Preparation of a mobile reserve or another nonsense of those who want to have a gun


A beautiful picture of how trained, understand - having rifled weapons for personal use, men in a short time pour in from units and subunits and already trained go to the front line, caresses the heart of a simple layman. No need to bother too much with the retraining of the mobilized.

So what if the "new old" learned to work with AKM or AK-74. He will also be given an AK machine gun, only the number will be different - 12 or 15. He is a machine gun. FROM a tank is the same история. T-62 or T-90? Well, the tank, which means the “new old” with a personal PM, will be able to fight on it as well. Well, those who had carbines as personal weapons, generally ready-made snipers: what to shoot at a boar, what at the enemy, what's the difference?

Of course, I'm exaggerating, but the talk about the fact that shooting from a pistol once a year in a shooting range and readiness for mobilization is being taken quite seriously. They are trying to convince me that everyone who likes how “the gun warms the thigh” is better fighters than those who do without weapons in civilian life. They even try to convince me that a man without a weapon is like a defective man. Here is a quote from the Telegram channel:

“A weapon is, first of all, masculine strength and masculine confidence. It is not necessary to use weapons, and most importantly, the very fact of their availability in order to protect their rights. That's what gives confidence."

I wonder if the person with whom you have a conflict also thinks so? If so, and I'm sure of it just because his gun is also legal, then what happens next - after the demonstration of short barrels? Will we continue to "defend" or hide the trunks and disperse in peace?

I found the answer, by the way, from the same author in the Telegram. Think about the author's logic:

“By the way, showdowns on the roads with the use of one of the sides of the injury are not about the perniciousness of owning weapons, but about the fact that there are few of them, and the chance, having taken out a weapon, not to meet a weapon on the other side is very high. If there were more weapons on hand, there would be fewer such cases.”

But back to mobreserve.

Do not mix sweet and cold. Do we want to live in the same conditions as the front-line Donbass? So let's introduce the same system as in Switzerland, for example. From the age of 18 the opportunity to buy a gun. He served in the army as a machine gunner - the opportunity to have a machine gun at home, as a grenade launcher - a grenade launcher, etc.

Beautifully so, one of the most armed countries in the world - eternally neutral Switzerland! 2,5 million trunks per 8 million population. All men who are fit for military service for health reasons are required to own weapons and be able to use them. This is part of the patriotic education of the nation. Do we just need it?

There are other data as well. It is Switzerland that has one of the highest rates of crimes involving firearms! It is in Switzerland that one of the world's highest rates of suicides with the use of firearms. It is Switzerland that, in terms of the level of depression of the population, ranks second (after Norway) in Europe.

There was and remains only one way to increase the quality of mobile reserves. Qualitative, from the point of view of education and training, military service and periodic, high-quality retraining at least up to 40 years. Once every three or four years for a couple of months in a unit and master new equipment and weapons or restore skills in working with known equipment.

Is it even possible to allow the sale of a short barrel?


Now I will write something unexpected for those who have already understood my position. Yes, the sale of handguns can be allowed after a fairly short time. To do this, it is necessary to change the legal framework. First of all, you need to clearly define the key concepts. Such as self-defense, for example.

Further, it is necessary to clearly separate hunting, sporting and military weapons. Is the rifled carbine of a hunter-fisherman a hunting weapon or a combat one? And the biathlete's rifle? Many questions, for example, are raised by pumps. Is it a combat or hunting weapon?

I stopped hunting for a couple of years. There comes a time when you have to say goodbye to your favorite hobby. Now I’m leaving as soon as possible to shoot at plastic bottles, breathe in the smell of gunpowder, feel the atmosphere of the hunt. And this is where the seditious thought comes to mind about why there are so few boys next to seasoned hunters.

I first shot with a single barrel at the age of 12. And I started hunting on my own at the age of 14. Under the supervision of my father, but I felt like a shooter. I am sure that it was hunting that brought up in me respect and love for weapons. I was not afraid of weapons. Why not allow boys from 14-15 years old to use hunting shotguns under the supervision of adults today?

Further. It is necessary to revive shooting galleries in schools and colleges. In grades 9-10, I shot small things almost once every two weeks. The NVP lessons were paired, so we shot a lot. For most, this was enough.

So, access to sporting and hunting weapons needs to be softened. This will give the population the necessary skills in shooting training, but with a short barrel, serious restrictions must be introduced. In order for a person to be able to obtain the right to purchase and store (note - store, but not concealed carry), it is necessary to undergo a medical, including psychological, examination.

In addition, it is necessary to organize special courses on the study of weapons and the procedure for their use with the issuance of a license for storage. Moreover, the passage of such courses should be annual with the renewal of the license. Including knowledge of laws and other documents related to the storage of weapons.

Well, for concealed carry. Everything is quite simple here. A concealed carry license can be obtained by completing special courses. By type of bodyguard or private security courses. At the same time, the punishment for the illegal use of weapons should be as tough as possible.

We summarize


I understand that the issue of legalizing short barrels will periodically arise in the future. There have always been and will be people who, by hook or by crook, will want to have something for their personal use that, in their opinion, will distinguish them from the general mass of people, which will make them exclusive, privileged.

Having a weapon, being able to use it to achieve your goals, controlling other people in the end is one of the easiest ways to achieve such superiority. Weapons as a way to be slightly above the rest. But at the same time, they will constantly talk about the fact that it is the weapons in their hands that make the world safe.

It is useless for these people to say that any weapon is intended for forceful influence on another person, up to and including murder. There are no weapons for self-defense. It all depends on who is using it and for what. Even the weapons that are created for sports competitions and hunting kill! The most terrible weapon of all time, as many people know, is an ordinary kitchen knife.

There will come a time when we can safely buy pistols or rifles in the store, but for this we must change. To do this, laws must change. To do this, society itself must change.

In the meantime, provided that at least part of what I suggested above is fulfilled, it is possible to allow the purchase and storage of a short barrel. No more. Allow with the understanding that such a decision will cost the lives of a certain number of people ...
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  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 20 January 2023 04: 22
    +27
    Can the state at the moment provide one hundred percent protection of citizens from the attack of criminal and crazy elements? ... The answer is rhetorical ... no.
    Any of us can be attacked by drunks, sick in the head, offended by a neighbor, wife, police, mayor's office, janitor, etc. and just the whole world ... how can a simple person defend himself before the police arrive so that he is not killed for it time?
    How else not to go to jail trying to protect yourself from violence?
    The author made an emphasis on extraneous things.
    Before talking about a ban on weapons, any such writers need to explain to people how not to lose their lives and health on the street from ordinary gopniks.
    In Izhevsk in September last year
    offended by the whole world, a minor with two altered injuries killed 17 people in a few minutes ... six adults, two security guards and other schoolchildren ... everyone was unarmed and defenseless ... for some reason this story was quickly closed with complete silence ... our favorite the state is absolutely powerless in protecting citizens against such attacks
    Somehow I do not want to be a defenseless target for such killers. request
    1. Alexander Ivanovich
      Alexander Ivanovich 20 January 2023 05: 10
      +5
      Can the state at the moment provide one hundred percent protection of citizens from the attack of criminal and crazy elements? ... The answer is rhetorical ... no.
      [/ Quote]
      No state can and will not be able to do this.
      Before talking about a ban on weapons, any such writers need to explain to people how not to lose their lives and health on the street from ordinary gopniks. [quote]

      Can you explain to people how not to lose life and health on the street from armed "ordinary gopniks"? In any case, the attacker, assuming that you may have a weapon, did not give you the opportunity to use it.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 20 January 2023 05: 35
        +15
        Quote: Alexander Ivanovich
        can you explain to people how not to lose life and health on the street from armed "ordinary gopniks"?

        I was hoping you could. smile
        Quote: Alexander Ivanovich
        In any case, the attacker, assuming that you may have a weapon, did not give you the opportunity to use it.

        Why, then, do the criminals not attack armed policemen, military men, armed guards of various objects and persons? what
        Although I sometimes see that some policemen carry pistols in the most careless way in crowded places, criminals can very easily seize it.
        1. Alexander Ivanovich
          Alexander Ivanovich 20 January 2023 06: 24
          +2
          Well, how can they not attack, there are such cases. It's all about the purpose of the attack. Agree, no one with a weapon will attack an armed policeman or, say, a collector, in order to take away his phone or bag.
          1. nickname7
            nickname7 20 January 2023 11: 06
            +12
            They attack armed law enforcement officers and how, but not openly as Lech thinks from Android, but using the surprise factor. You need to hide and choosing the moment to attack, the gun will not help. Some believe in a gun as an icon that it saves by a miracle laughing

            The video filmed the suspects robbing an armored personnel carrier with AK-47 assault rifles and pistols

            1. Alexfly
              Alexfly 20 January 2023 11: 44
              +6
              This in no way speaks of the use of officially acquired weapons .. Compare Canada and the USA, in the USA everyone has the right to purchase with little or no verification, in Canada the procedure for obtaining is more complicated, more similar to the European one, the result is that the criminality with the use of weapons is dozens of times lower
        2. your1970
          your1970 20 January 2023 07: 01
          +8
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Why, then, do the criminals not attack armed policemen, military men, armed guards of various objects and persons?

          They attack fairly regularly.
          I somehow came across statistics about attacks on SA guards in the 1960s and 1970s.
          The peak was 1974 - about 60 belay cases. This is in a quiet peaceful USSR - where 80% of the men served in the army and knew the UGiKS ....
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Although I sometimes see that some policemen carry pistols in the most careless way in crowded places, criminals can very easily seize it.
          a person cannot be on guard around the clock. That is why on guard duty there is a rather short time on guard. And the cops undergo professional deformation - "Everyone knows that I am armed ....".
          1. Civil
            Civil 20 January 2023 08: 20
            +14
            1. Nobody will allow anything. Because it's not supposed to be.
            2. First, people must be taught to respect themselves, not to allow the elite to wipe their feet on themselves. But then, after realizing oneself as a man, and not "I am a small subhuman and nothing depends on me," it will be possible to want something or demand from the state.
            1. Jcvai
              Jcvai 20 January 2023 09: 03
              +24
              The second point has a nuance: self-respect is impossible without the possibility of self-defense, which is the source of the speech (increasing the ability to protect yourself and your loved ones).
              At the moment, there are only three options for citizens who have self-respect (exaggerated):
              1. An oligarchy that can afford both protection and ignoring laws.
              2. "Athletes", who will be able to resist, say, a group of gopota armed with a cold man, and luck and reason will allow them to remain unfound by government agencies after that (numerous precedents for the criminal punishment of self-defense)
              3. Civil servants with appropriate rights.

              Accordingly, at the moment, if you want self-defense and self-respect: either join one of the indicated categories, or resign yourself to the role of a victim.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 20 January 2023 10: 25
                +23
                Interestingly, after the collapse of the USSR, a third of the republics (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Georgia, Moldova) of the former great country legalized weapons - and it is not audible that they would have any problems because of this.
                From the article we conclude: the same Georgians, a more sensible people than the Russians, to whom just give weapons, they will immediately begin to shoot wherever they miss.
                1. El Barto
                  El Barto 20 January 2023 12: 59
                  -4
                  Bad examples.
                  Compare these countries with Belarus, which has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.
                  It is impossible to compare small countries with a small predominantly rural population with large urbanized countries, where the population of one of the megacities is larger than the population of all these countries combined.
                  In my village there is no crime at all, but in the city it is. What's with the weapon?
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 20 January 2023 15: 32
                    +7
                    Quote: El Barto
                    It is impossible to compare small countries with a small predominantly rural population with.....

                    Please, here are the data for a large country (fragments, the article is old but it gives a general idea):
                    1. Bad_gr
                      Bad_gr 20 January 2023 17: 03
                      +6
                      The assumption that the opponent is armed is conducive to mutual courtesy.
                      ©
                      1. El Barto
                        El Barto 20 January 2023 17: 49
                        -1
                        A very old article. It would be possible to justify your position and find something newer.

                        And so, yes - crime in cities, and in rural areas it is much less (states where simplified gun laws are precisely rural America).
                        In addition, it is important to understand the causal relationship. Gun laws are tightened where there is a bad criminal environment. It is the bad criminal environment that is the reason for the tightening of gun laws. And not vice versa.
                        Where there are no special problems with crime - own your health
                      2. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 20 January 2023 19: 04
                        +6
                        Quote: El Barto
                        A very old article. It would be possible to justify your position and find something newer.
                        What for ? The article could be 100 years old - people essentially have not changed.
                        Or do you have evidence to the contrary?
                  2. SergioCDS
                    SergioCDS 30 January 2023 00: 54
                    0
                    FAIL EXAMPLE. About which you: - "No ear, no snout" (Folk proverb).
                2. insafufa
                  insafufa 20 January 2023 17: 05
                  -6
                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  From the article we conclude: the same Georgians, a more sensible people than the Russians, to whom just give weapons, they will immediately begin to shoot wherever they miss.

                  Georgia: - Well, they could not fight against the circulation of shadow weapons and decided to lead the process
                  Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia: they are afraid of evil Russians to the point of hiccups

                  Moldova: the same situation as in Georgia
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 20 January 2023 17: 18
                    +11
                    hiccups are afraid of evil Russians
                    Moreover, they are so afraid that these same Russians (legally residing and having clean documents) are being sold weapons on a general basis.
                    1. insafufa
                      insafufa 23 January 2023 07: 35
                      0
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      hiccups are afraid of evil Russians
                      Moreover, they are so afraid that these same Russians (legally residing and having clean documents) are being sold weapons on a general basis.
                      Weapons are not sold to non-citizens. In Lithuania, all Russians received citizenship and they were sold weapons, but this was the case in the early 2000s, my friend from Lithuania, a long-range fighter Vasily, at least said so. I don’t know how it is now, but I know that the blogger Kiril Fedorov complained that he couldn’t take a firearm, although now he is in prison in Riga for blogging
                      Kirill Fedorov Russian-speaking video blogger from Riga (Latvia). Author of YouTube channels "Alconafter", "History of Weapons".
                3. Alexander Vorontsov
                  Alexander Vorontsov 20 January 2023 23: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  Interestingly, after the collapse of the USSR, a third of the republics (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Georgia, Moldova) of the former great country legalized weapons - and it is not audible that they would have any problems because of this.
                  From the article we conclude: the same Georgians, a more sensible people than the Russians, to whom just give weapons, they will immediately begin to shoot wherever they miss.

                  It is interesting only to those who do not have complete information about the issue.
                  Because the same Georgians have a ban on carrying a gun with them))))
                  With the exception of officers, former security officials and soldiers.
                  Those. you can keep the same gun either in the shooting range or at home.
                  Which, as you understand, completely deprives possession of a pistol in the context of the topic. A person simply cannot use it outside his home.
                  And in the house, as you understand, you can store 20 gauge.
              2. nickname7
                nickname7 20 January 2023 11: 14
                -13
                at the moment, if you want self-defense and self-respect: either join one of these categories, or resign yourself to the role of a victim.

                A gun will not help you, that's for sure, some of their problems of unsuccessful socialization are trying to be solved by faith in astrology, some by faith in a gun.
                With the same gopota, the right words are enough to disperse in peace, whoever cannot do this, and the gun will not help.
                1. Plate
                  Plate 20 January 2023 15: 16
                  +9
                  Quote: nickname7
                  With the same gopota, the right words are enough to disperse in peace, whoever cannot do this, and the gun will not help.

                  If a criminal is determined to commit a crime, he will try to commit it. What's the point of trying to stop him with words? Just distract.
              3. El Barto
                El Barto 20 January 2023 13: 15
                -12
                No gun will help you against the "cold man"

              4. alexey_Murzin
                alexey_Murzin 22 January 2023 04: 43
                -3
                I completely agree. All written correctly
            2. skeptick2
              skeptick2 20 January 2023 09: 43
              +21
              Quote: Civil
              1. Nobody will allow anything. Because it's not supposed to be.

              Why shouldn't it?
              Yes, because the authorities are terribly afraid of armed people. Only units for its defense should be armed.
              That's the whole explanation of why such articles like this one appear. Mr. Staver on combat watch.
              1. Aleksandre
                Aleksandre 20 January 2023 11: 31
                +19
                Quote from: skeptick2
                That's the whole explanation of why such articles like this one appear. Mr. Staver on combat watch.

                So I also thought that it would be possible to listen to the arguments of a person who is unbiased to this topic, even if I do not agree with him. But seriously to take Staver, smeared from head to toe in protective chatter? No, please.
              2. Arisaka
                Arisaka 20 January 2023 12: 45
                +5
                That is, the authorities are not afraid of millions of rifled long-barrels on their hands, but are afraid of short-barrels? Strange logic.
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 20 January 2023 14: 47
                  +2
                  Well, who has these millions of long-barrels on hand? What heresy? What millions?
                  Why are we banned from guns? Yes, because the authorities are afraid of their own people. Look at the United States, where the authorities have tremendous confidence in their people. Why haven't Americans shot each other yet?
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 20 January 2023 14: 53
                    +8
                    The United States, where the authorities have tremendous confidence in their people.
                    I talked quite a lot with the Americans, and I can notice that there is no smell of any trust from both sides.
                    1. Plate
                      Plate 20 January 2023 15: 17
                      +2
                      And yet, the shooting of all in all there still has not begun. Or are Americans just more civilized than us, hmm?
                      1. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 20 January 2023 15: 38
                        +4
                        shooting all in all there still hasn't started
                        A precarious balance, plus a fairly high standard of living for the majority, they have something to lose.
                      2. Fan-fan
                        Fan-fan 20 January 2023 16: 09
                        +2
                        Well, there are a lot of scumbags in America, nevertheless, the authorities are not afraid to give out weapons to the population, it's just not so easy for scumbags to get them. Well, for Americans, the right to personal ownership of weapons is a symbol of democracy and freedom, for which their ancestors fought.
                      3. Plate
                        Plate 20 January 2023 16: 29
                        +2
                        I also have something to lose, although I live below average, judging by the statistics (well, this is from my youth: I haven’t made it yet). So I'm sure most of us also have something to cling to.
                      4. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 20 January 2023 17: 05
                        +3
                        and in Moldova then why? in the Baltics?
                      5. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 20 January 2023 17: 14
                        +3
                        in the Baltics?
                        Contrary to the opinion of members of the forum, they don’t catch hedgehogs; they live quite decently and there are no racial and social contradictions comparable to American ones. But I don’t know about the Moldovans, I was there only once and not for long.
                      6. El Barto
                        El Barto 20 January 2023 18: 16
                        0
                        So why do you need a pistol? Buy yourself a 12-gauge pump. I assure you, in the matter of protecting life and property, it will be much more useful.
                  2. El Barto
                    El Barto 20 January 2023 16: 04
                    +3
                    According to the National Guard, in 2020 - this is the most recent information - there were almost 6,5 million guns legally in the hands of the population
                    According to the Geneva Institute for International Research and Development, the Russians illegally bought and stored about 11 million barrels - 1,7 times more than the officially registered number.
                    1. ermak124.0
                      ermak124.0 20 January 2023 21: 22
                      +3
                      I would like to get acquainted with their methods of counting illegal barrels)))) Maybe you know? Well, do you refer? )))))))
                      1. El Barto
                        El Barto 21 January 2023 11: 45
                        0
                        Write to them in Geneva, maybe they will explain.
                        I can only guess how they thought:
                        - most of the unregistered barrels are not a crime, but old-fashioned karamultuks that simply did not pass / were not re-registered. Very roughly, plus or minus a million of them can be counted - statistics on those purchased since the 1950s minus statistics on those handed over / re-registered since the same time.
                        But you can’t count the old at all, but one of my neighbors in the yard (the yard is such a chopped barn attached to the house) back in the 90s had an old infantry mosquito chambered for a cartridge with a rounded bullet, until he took it apart and scattered it in the forest in a swamp, I didn’t want to sit at this useless rusty arquebus.
                        - somehow they probably roughly estimate the number of criminal trunks, probably the cops have methods
                  3. Dwellernet
                    Dwellernet 20 January 2023 16: 48
                    +10
                    Their laws are just different. As far as I remember, the "Second Amendment" to the US Constitution, adopted on December 15, 1791, guarantees US citizens the right to keep and bear arms. But this is not the main thing, and the main thing is that the same amendment allows realizing the right of the US people to an armed uprising, mentioned in the text of the Declaration of Independence, in the event that the US government grossly violates the rights of Americans and the Constitution. Then the government will have an armed army against an unarmed population. Thus the founding fathers leveled the playing field. Do you think our officials will do this? am
                  4. ch28k38
                    ch28k38 21 January 2023 20: 47
                    +4
                    You don't have to look anywhere. In Russia, until 1918, there was a free sale of weapons, both hunting and short-barreled, with the exception of individual army samples. The Romanovs were not afraid of the oppressors of the people, but the people's power forbade it.
              3. Andy_nsk
                Andy_nsk 22 January 2023 19: 08
                +3
                Yes, because the authorities are terribly afraid of armed people

                Agree. If you recall the history, free citizens always had the right to own weapons, the ban extended to slaves. We are just slaves to the "beloved elite"!
                And why the author connected the issue of short-barrels with issues of mobilization - I did not understand. A pistol is not allowed for a soldier, but for an officer - well, except to shoot himself, but the use in battle is so episodic that there is nothing to talk about.
          2. SergioCDS
            SergioCDS 30 January 2023 00: 51
            0
            ... - so you need to not allow "short-barreled". Ah... what logic! Fabulous! "Moustache" pancake "acquire" "short" "to carry the army GUARD of their homes ..." - Are you a NORMAL person ?! Or is the "ordinary jackal" retired?
        3. Per se.
          Per se. 20 January 2023 14: 39
          -7
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Why, then, do the criminals not attack armed policemen, military men, armed guards of various objects and persons?
          They attack, they attack armed collectors, they attack protected banks and shops. They attack armed and trained employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and not even for the sake of money, but in order to seize weapons.

          Do not deceive yourself - "peak in the liver, no one is eternal", if they want - they will attack, and they will attack suddenly, and the "magic pistol" will not help. If not to prevaricate, then the majority of those who are for a "kind word with a gun" need not so much the weapon itself, but the right to shoot anyone who might seem dangerous, and so that there is nothing for it according to the law. So, instead of a noble sword in front of the niello, the right to a "noble" shot. That's the whole point. Only, gentlemen, pistol "nobles", here and more "eminent" ones will also shoot at you, from glamorous chickens, with pistols donated by dads or majors on show-offs, with a brand new "Colt" or "Beretta", to forgetful moneybags and officials with connections. A mother of many children or a grandmother will not be able to buy herself and a simple Makarov.

          The most important thing is that security is not in weapons, but in the culture of society itself and the justice of the Law. Without this, no weapon will help, especially potential cowards and notorious youths. Weapons and so the sea, no need to exacerbate the problem by trying to deal with the consequences. The short-barrel is dangerous, first of all, by the secrecy of wearing and accessibility in use, and it’s not a fact that worthy people will have it, and not rich bastards. Return the people's power to the country, the equality of all before a just law, and you will be happy. Without the bourgeoisie, the times will return when the keys to the apartment were left under the rug at the door, and cashiers from the bank took money to the factories without armed guards.
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 20 January 2023 16: 04
            +12
            Attack, attack armed collectors, attack protected banks and shops

            Didn't understand the logic. Those. if the collectors did not have weapons, they would not be attacked? An argument from the category - without a fire extinguisher there will be no fire, without a first aid kit there will be no injuries.
            No need to fool yourself

            Of course, it is not necessary, this is only a factor, when certain conditions coincide, which allows you to avoid or get out of the alteration alive, like the same fire extinguisher or first aid kit.
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 20 January 2023 17: 06
              -5
              Quote: strannik1985
              I did not understand the logic.
              Rather, they did not want to understand. You took the beginning out of context without understanding the ending. Okay, let me explain. My aunt worked all her life in the USSR as a cashier, she used to carry a salary to the port for workers from the bank alone, there was no car, no escort, especially weapons. Of course, the car and the escort relied on the rules, but, clearly, no one had weapons at the same time. Why the "bazaar", people were different, our society was different, although, of course, not without separate Ukinds.

              The problem of crime is not in the absence of weapons, it is in the disease of society itself, in its stratification, impoverishment, the decline of culture and morality. No gun can cure this, no iron doors and bars, coupled with fences around apartment buildings.

              Some often have an interesting logic, they say, I have three shotguns, a rifled carbine and a trauma pistol, why can’t I also have a combat short-barrel? Indeed, why, why not immediately give a peasant a tank, if he was also a tanker in the army, they trusted him like that ...
              More demagogy about cars begins, how many die in an accident, let's ban cars then, cars are more dangerous than pistols ... In general, a person can be killed with a pencil, a shoelace, but this requires preparation, conditions, and any big man can bang from a pistol and first grader. Here, feel the difference. A coward with a gun will remain a coward, and, rather, such a coward, an egoist and a skin, will himself be more dangerous to society than a criminal. A pistol is not a "first aid kit" or a "fire extinguisher", it is a weapon, and a weapon in civilian life is much more dangerous than a knife or a cobblestone. Walking around with a gun can't be the norm. The fact that a criminal is always armed is why he is a criminal, in any case he will not abide by the rules and the Law, and in this he will be different, having the possibility of a first and vile strike.

              I am not against weapons, and I know their power, but I am against those for whom weapons are a whim, fashion, a cure for complexes. Listen to the arguments of eccentrics starting with the letter "m", arguing according to the plots of comics about protection and salvation ... Damn, "Batmans" and "Supermen" in wastelands. The whole point is that what could end in a banal fight will lead to murder with a gun in your pocket, and it is not a fact that it is a bad person who will die. We have a traffic accident, where there is a law and rules, there is enough negativity, and injustice, when people are excused with money and connections.
              As a result, I repeat, there are enough weapons, shops are breaking. Also, there is no need for "songs" about countries where the same hot Estonian guys would not have spoiled the statistics even without the legalization of the short barrel. Probably, they do not remember countries where almost everyone is armed and complete chaos among the poor and hungry bands of Africa. There are those who are allowed to carry weapons, and there are many of them. We need a competent and fair law, incorruptible judges, a socially oriented state, culture and morality, a well-fed and confident society. Without this, weapons, short barrels, will only exacerbate the problem, increase the level of danger.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 20 January 2023 17: 17
                +7
                Walking around with a gun can't be the norm.
                The Czechs, Serbs and Swiss will clearly disagree with you.
                1. El Barto
                  El Barto 20 January 2023 18: 08
                  +1
                  Not certainly in that way. If permission to own and store weapons is easy to obtain and almost everyone has it, then concealed carry permission is rarely given and only to professionals.

                  And open carrying - who needs it? If you walk around the streets hung with weapons, they will look like an idiot
                2. Per se.
                  Per se. 21 January 2023 13: 24
                  -3
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  The Czechs, Serbs and Swiss will clearly disagree with you.
                  That's why they are Czechs, Serbs and Swiss, but I'm Russian and I don't live in Switzerland, where everyone who has served goes to a de facto lifelong mobilization reserve with army weapons and his ammunition. Come on, Alex, let's not be cunning and slide into demagoguery.

                  First, being against the legalization of short barrels does not mean being against self-defense. Personally, I am for the right of self-defense in all possible ways. What is the contradiction? It is necessary to distinguish the right to protection from the right to lynching. Killing another cannot be an automatically legal action with one right to own a weapon.

                  In his article, Alexander Staver talks about various weapons, leaving out of the brackets the main thing, what is its difference - the difference in the purpose of this weapon. Sports weapons for sports shooting, hunting weapons for hunting, and combat weapons for killing people. To this, in order to immediately cool the demagogues, it must be said that any object in general, a kitchen knife, a hammer, a pencil I have already mentioned, can be a weapon. The common thing is that in all cases there will be a use of objects not for their intended purpose. Naturally, it is easier to kill with a hammer than with a pencil, and much easier with a hunting rifle than with a hammer.

                  The legalization of military weapons is the legalization of the right to use them for their intended purpose, there are no other options here. These people stubbornly refuse to understand, believing that only they will have the right to punish or pardon, that only the possession of a pistol will become a talisman for them from villains. This alone is a utopia.

                  If we separate those who, out of thoughtlessness, just want the best, advocating the legalization of the short-barrel, there will remain stubborn "bulls" (I want and I will), undersized "Batmen" and "Supermen", living in the parallel reality of computer shooters, and people with complexes, for whom the trunk is like a prosthesis of their weak brutality. However, there are those who understand everything perfectly, but for them military weapons are an object of privilege, their exclusivity, which separates them from the rest of the people, who are plebos, mob for them. Such people will not stand up for anyone, all these plots from comics are nothing more than the chatter of egoists and cowards. A civilian should not pretend to be a "sheriff", replace the Law, the police and the court, and, for reasons of personal security assessment, pass a death sentence on another.

                  If you do not want to understand this, I am personally very sorry, I would like you to at least think about it. There are enough weapons and the problem is not in its absence, but in a fair interpretation of self-defense by ANY object as a weapon or by the weapon itself, but without legitimizing lynching, without legalizing the right to kill, which can only be as an accident, or as a necessary measure. Still, Russia is not Switzerland, and when they remember the rights there, they somehow do not want to remember the accompanying duties and other features of local history and culture.
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 21 January 2023 14: 46
                    +2
                    stubborn "bulls" (I want and I will), undersized "Batmen" and "Supermen", living in the parallel reality of computer shooters, and people with complexes, for whom the trunk is like a prosthesis of their weak brutality.
                    In Latvia, I personally knew people who did not part with a gun - adequate, educated, self-sufficient people. A good friend from Prague was given a revolver by her father - a doctor by profession, holder of a scientific degree. So get past all your arguments.
                    replace the law, the police and the courts
                    Let the police be a minute away, but seconds matter.
                    Russia is not Switzerland
                    And not even Latvia belay ,In your?
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                      1. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 21 January 2023 22: 57
                        -1
                        Would be silent, "Swiss banker" tongue
                    2. Per se.
                      Per se. 21 January 2023 20: 37
                      -3
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      And not even Latvia, in your opinion?
                      Not Latvia, if in my opinion, not even Ukraine. We must live our reality, first of all, otherwise, we will have to remember that somewhere there are LGBT people or light drugs are legalized, and, they say, it’s okay, people live ...

                      Believe me, I love weapons, and I served my own, and I was fond of sports shooting. But, there is common sense, and the way some people imagine the legalization of the short barrel, in many ways, seems to be a whim.

                      I would very much not like that here the phrase from Chernomyrdin's winged tongue-tied tongue - "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always" became an epitaph, both for the newly-minted "batmen" and their random victims. In the end, there are many countries where, even without the legalization of military weapons, it is quiet and calm, but some people prefer the sayings of the scumbag Al Capone and the heritage from the Wild West in the manners of the Anglo-Saxons.
                      Such, here, reflections, if in my opinion.
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              2. strannik1985
                strannik1985 20 January 2023 20: 29
                +3
                My aunt worked all her life in the USSR as a cashier

                You are engaged in demagoguery, how does having the ability to defend yourself prevent you from transforming the economy / finance / propaganda? Until the 60s in the Union, officials could legally own pistols.
                Indeed, why, why not immediately give a peasant a tank, if he was also a tanker in the army, they trusted him like that ...

                https://miniteh.com/Voennaya-tehnika/BTR/
                https://tehclub.site/katalog/konversionnaya-tehnika/tanki-repliki-nastoyashhih
                In general, a person can be killed with a pencil, a shoelace, but this requires preparation, conditions, and a first grader can bang from a pistol of any big man

                Quite right, the labor costs for training a shooter and a martial artist differ by orders of magnitude, that's the whole point of the need for a CS.
                Probably, they do not remember countries where almost everyone is armed and complete chaos among the poor and hungry bands of Africa.

                Does legalization mean the abolition of the police? wink
                There are those who are allowed to carry weapons, and there are many of them.

                Quite right, for example, owners of premium weapons, in 2019 in Russia there are 16,7 thousand units of premium rifled firearms (mainly pistols). Approximately 10% were awarded by the heads of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
                https://www.fontanka.ru/2017/03/02/045/
                1. El Barto
                  El Barto 21 January 2023 10: 09
                  -2
                  Does legalization mean the abolition of the police?

                  Of course not. On the contrary, they will also increase the staff.
                  At what the police will start shooting at everything that moves suspiciously. Just out of a sense of self-preservation, assuming the offender has a gun. Just like in the USA.
                  Do you want it?
                  1. Ilya22558
                    Ilya22558 24 January 2023 11: 34
                    0
                    Well, at least look at "the use of weapons by the police in the USA", there are excellent videos on YouTube, how long they persuade them to throw the barrel, unless, of course, they didn’t start naughty at first.
                2. Per se.
                  Per se. 21 January 2023 13: 52
                  -1
                  Quote: strannik1985
                  You are engaged in demagoguery, how does having the ability to defend yourself prevent you from transforming the economy / finance / propaganda?
                  It is not I who do not engage in demagogy, I distinguish between the possibility of self-defense and the legalized right to kill. Combat weapons, which we are talking about, have no other purpose, in contrast to hunting or sports.

                  Quote: strannik1985
                  Does legalization mean the abolition of the police?

                  Does legalization really mean the elimination of crime? I don’t want to repeat myself, but I don’t believe in “supermen” and “batmans”, which all those who suffer to get a pocket barrel should become. Fools with "guns", which are more dangerous than bandits, will definitely be added.
                  1. strannik1985
                    strannik1985 21 January 2023 17: 40
                    0
                    I distinguish the possibility of self-defense from the legal right to kill

                    I understand correctly, you think that it is impossible to kill criminals in self-defense?
                    Does legalization really mean the elimination of crime?

                    Of course not, just as the presence of a fire extinguisher does not mean the abolition of fires, and first-aid kits - injuries and diseases. It's just a self-help tool, nothing more.
                    1. Per se.
                      Per se. 23 January 2023 10: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: strannik1985
                      I understand correctly, you think that it is impossible to kill criminals in self-defense?

                      You are changing concepts. Self-defense is not a synonym for the use of a combat pistol, all the more, immediately to defeat, as a death sentence. The second, who is considered a criminal, one will be nasty, the other will shove or hit, the third will put a knife to the throat. For a "cowboy" with a pistol, the answer is practically the same in all cases - to get the barrel, and force yourself to respect. Word for word, especially on emotions, in an accident, in a restaurant, at the entrance of a high-rise building.

                      What's next, took out the trunk, and what? I wanted to scare, you can scare with a fake toy. I didn’t want to kill, for this an injury will do, which, at the same time, can’t be distinguished from a combat pistol, like a high-quality toy, pneumatics. No, this is not the point, it is necessary to kill, and in such a way that there is nothing for it according to the Law. This is what many sufferers of increasing their greatness suffer from.

                      The question is, will they need a barrel if, when using it, they are sued for exceeding the necessary self-defense? The problem is that a man who, while defending his family from armed bandits, cut them with a kitchen knife, can be sued, and a squeamish man with a gun, who killed innocent people out of fright, can be acquitted in self-defense.


                      Self-defense is not the right to kill, but if this is a necessary measure, it should not matter what the person defended himself with, what he used as a weapon. At the same time, the possession of a combat pistol should not give an automatic right to kill. This is what we are talking about, a gun should not be a legal right to kill, and comparing it with a first-aid kit and a fire extinguisher is cynicism, demagoguery. We need a strong, social state, a cultural society, and most importantly, fair laws. We also need a clear law on self-defense, with any weapon and any object as a weapon, if it is a matter of life and death, and not just the legalization of a short barrel with special rights for their owners. Excuse me, this is my understanding of justice and legality for the benefit of the whole society.
          2. miracle3213
            miracle3213 20 January 2023 22: 23
            +1
            Absolutely right. And respect for the people's militia will appear as once.
        4. insafufa
          insafufa 20 January 2023 16: 49
          +3
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Why, then, do the criminals not attack armed policemen, military men, armed guards of various objects and persons?

          So it all depends on the goals of the attack in Ufa, two collectors were burned alive by unarmed bandits with ordinary gasoline.
          In Ufa, the brothers decided to set fire to collectors to pay off their debts
          One bank employee died, another is in hospital with serious burns

          Read on WWW.UFA.KP.RU: https://www.ufa.kp.ru/daily/26429.7/3301159/

          This audacious and cruel crime thundered throughout Bashkiria. Three brothers attacked collectors who were delivering money to ATMs. Everything happened like in an action movie about the 90s: the men were doused with gasoline and set on fire.

          Read on WWW.UFA.KP.RU: https://www.ufa.kp.ru/daily/26429.7/3301159/
        5. PSih2097
          PSih2097 24 January 2023 23: 02
          +1
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Although I sometimes see that some policemen carry pistols in the most careless way in crowded places, criminals can very easily seize it.

          not only pistols, but also submachine guns.
          This is especially true of the current National Guard, the former outsider...
          I remember how a couple came up to us for a drink, we laughed for a long time arguing for how many seconds and how we will disarm them, and in their presence, until their boss (like a neighbor) came out of my entrance and stuck them ...
      2. Vasilich2217
        Vasilich2217 20 January 2023 14: 36
        +18
        In front of your eyes, three beat one with bats. Your actions. Having a barrel in the pocket of 50 percent of citizens may not be allowed to kill a person. And without weapons, 0.1% will get into a fight. The rest will pretend that they don’t notice. Correct me if I’m wrong somewhere.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 20 January 2023 17: 32
          -8
          Quote: Vasilich2217
          Before your eyes, three beat one with bits
          Vasilich, the one who, according to your story, was "beaten with bats" could, therefore, be beaten if he had a gun that he did not have time to get. Secondly, if your savior from those 50% saw that in addition to the bits the villains had a couple of "Kalash", this average "hero" would come in to intercede, or is a hero with a machine gun already needed? So it turns out that not everything is so simple from the mere presence of a gun.
        2. solar
          solar 21 January 2023 09: 03
          0
          Your actions.

          In fact, the first action is to call and inform the police. Supporters of the short-barrel somehow do not come to mind. After all, you need to get your Glock and put the insolent people in their place :))
        3. Berg berg
          Berg berg 24 January 2023 19: 40
          0
          Why are you writing nonsense yourself, and why not so three beat one from whom they noticed a gun and wanted to take it away, from one attacker a bit, and the other two combat pistols taken away from people like you - your action!? Wanna die and get shot? Or are you walking down the street from a bakery and they hit you on the head with a brick from behind, they take away a pistol and they make a control one in you for verification? Your actions ?
      3. odisey3000
        odisey3000 20 January 2023 18: 16
        +3
        But the chances will be equal, and if the attacker is lucky, for example, he somehow manages to bang me armed, then it will not be very offensive to measure, the chances were equal. And if I am unarmed.
      4. GneSPb
        GneSPb 20 January 2023 20: 35
        +1
        Persons leading an antisocial lifestyle, abusing alcoholism, having criminal and administrative offenses, weapons should not be issued, also mental, and persons who have not served in the army, of course, to prescribe all this legislatively in the law on weapons ...
    2. Amateur
      Amateur 20 January 2023 06: 23
      +7
      In Izhevsk in September last year
      offended by the whole world, a minor with two altered injuries killed 17 people in a few minutes ... six adults, two security guards and other schoolchildren ... everyone was unarmed and defenseless ... for some reason this story was quickly closed with complete silence ... our favorite the state is absolutely powerless in protecting citizens against such attacks

      And in the United States, where weapons are allowed and almost everyone is armed, there are regular attacks on schools with a large number of victims. And how does this correlate with the presence / absence of weapons among the population? NO WAY!
      1. glock-17
        glock-17 20 January 2023 07: 25
        +15
        Ownership and ownership are two different things. It is not even allowed to approach the school with a weapon within a certain distance. Now there is a question about permission to carry weapons for teachers. I think that this is correct. Teachers must undergo additional training of course.
        1. Non-fighter
          Non-fighter 20 January 2023 11: 12
          0
          Before the first execution by the teacher of a schoolboy from a "service" weapon.
          1. UAZ 452
            UAZ 452 20 January 2023 11: 59
            +1
            And he will certainly follow, and you won’t have to wait long: some kids will not be able to give up their favorite entertainment “bring the teacher”, even knowing that he is armed. And the passage of professional selection and psychological testing by a teacher does not guarantee that his nerves are stronger than ropes. Anyone can bring.
            1. glock-17
              glock-17 21 January 2023 19: 31
              0
              I myself have a pedagogical education and experience working with difficult teenagers. Nerves were on edge, but there was no desire to grab a weapon. There is already a question of recruitment, but this is a separate issue.
      2. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 20 January 2023 09: 17
        +15
        Quote: Amateur
        And in the United States, where weapons are allowed and almost everyone is armed, there are regular attacks on schools with a large number of victims. And how does this correlate with the presence / absence of weapons among the population? NO WAY!

        We do not allow weapons, and attacks on schools nevertheless occur regularly, so maybe it’s not about gun permits?
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 20 January 2023 10: 01
          +8
          so maybe it's not a matter of gun permits?
          The point, as usual, is in the bubble. They do not allocate funds for educating people in the spirit of respect for each other. Movies are filled with the refrain: "You have a weapon - you are superman, take whatever you want. You can"! Etc. etc. As long as there is a ride on animal instincts, the issue will not be resolved. The USSR did a lot in this direction, but it was also destroyed by those who lived by instincts. Everything, of course, is more complicated, but in my opinion it is necessary to go from this "stove". To educate a person, not an animal, and over time (very large), there will be fewer animals and they will stop imposing animal behavior on people. If this is not done, first of all by those who govern the state, then the collapse of civilization is simply inevitable.
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 20 January 2023 11: 37
            +3
            Quote: AKuzenka
            The point, as usual, is in the bubble. They do not allocate funds for educating people in the spirit of respect for each other.

            It's not about the bubble, social being determines social consciousness, you can't say better than a classic. With the current "public life" allocate any amount of money (everything will be plundered early), norms different from respect for each other become the law of survival of one's own family.
          2. UAZ 452
            UAZ 452 20 January 2023 11: 38
            +2
            Do you propose to indicate in the budget a separate line "to educate people in a spirit of respect for each other"? How many billions will we allocate? I am sure that there will be a lot of people who want to master it, and they will provide plans, and beautiful reports ... Well, what's the point - as always. Only someone will have a new yacht, and people of a lower rank will have a new car or summer house.
        2. El Barto
          El Barto 20 January 2023 11: 56
          0
          We have weapons - ALLOWED. And you can buy it (subject to certain formalities) freely.
          If a person is not a psycho and not a delinquent, get a certificate, permission and go buy. Generally without problems (well, except for the prices, of course).
          Those who really need it, or really want it, have weapons. And those who do not need it (and such 80% of the population), with any simplification, will not throw money away and buy weapons.
          I have several barrels, both smoothbore and rifled.

          But we are talking about the "legalization" of the short barrel. Here I agree 100% with Staver. Why do you need a short barrel at all and to whom?
          I explain - most of those who use weapons do not need these useless farts at all. Quite quite. As in the army, a gun is just an extra and harmful extra load.
          And you need a short barrel for only one reason - the possibility of hidden wearing.
          Who needs? Yes, that's who - most of the short-barreled fans are "offended in life." Mentally unbalanced, insecure losers who were kicked by normal mentally healthy children since childhood. Who think that if they have a gun, they will have an erection and women will give.
          And with any "legalization", no weapon more serious than a plastic table knife can be given to such people anyway.
          And the talk about self-defense is just demagogy. Firstly, street crime is at a low level. Secondly, pepper spray for self-defense is many times more useful than any pistol.
          1. Plate
            Plate 20 January 2023 15: 22
            +8
            Quote: El Barto
            Mentally unbalanced, insecure losers who were kicked by normal mentally healthy children since childhood.

            Kicked mentally healthy children, what? It seems to me that they were not so healthy then, since they behaved like animals.
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          2. SergioCDS
            SergioCDS 3 February 2023 00: 46
            0
            ... - that's when you "persons, consisting of" "citizens who do not speak the language", or "who speak", but with "blue on their fingers" "grab by the balls" in the situation "was walking from the store" walking distance "in the evening, in the dark time of the day "- so you will tell us about the benefits of pepper spray ... bully - when you can speak (... if you can - God forbid...).
      3. ivan2022
        ivan2022 20 January 2023 09: 54
        +15
        In the USA there are 5 murders per year per 100 thousand of the population, and in Russia 8 murders. A firearm is a great equalizer. In America, this was understood in the 19th century. And to this day we pretend not to understand.
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 20 January 2023 11: 36
          -8
          In the US, 5 homicides per year per 100 people

          You write nonsense in the states, they shoot every day on the streets in clubs in stores, and this has ceased to be in the news if there are few victims. Mass shootings get into the news, so it seems that there are few of them. On big holidays, there are cases when they shoot at the crowd, and some students are afraid to go to school because they might be killed. In the USA, a real tragedy in the killings due to the fact that you can easily buy an assault rifle /



          During the US Independence Day holiday weekend, a real carnage unfolded in the country: 379 people died as a result of 142 shooting incidents. This is reported by the Daily Mail, citing data from the Gun Violence Archive research group, which monitors cases of violence in the country.

          Most of these incidents were recorded in Chicago - there were 92 cases of shooting, during which 16 people died, another 76 were injured.

          In second place was Philadelphia, where seven people died, 17 were injured, and 21 others were injured during various conflicts over the weekend.

          At the same time, according to Fox News, 2 incidents were identified in New York between July 4 and 21, with 26 people among the victims. Last year, on the same days, 25 citizens were injured in 30 cases of the use of firearms. CNN noted that in 2021, the number of such crimes in the city as a whole has greatly increased - in comparison with last year, the figure jumped by 40 percent.
          1. UAZ 452
            UAZ 452 20 January 2023 12: 05
            +8
            You write nonsense in the states, they shoot every day on the streets in clubs in stores, and this has ceased to be in the news if there are few victims.

            They write to you: 5 murders per 100 thousand of the population per year (I will take the figure from the commentary on faith), that is, 15 thousand per 300 million of the population, 50 people a day end up, including with firearms. So where is the contradiction with your "shoot every day"? Here are just the second part of the statistics - 8 per 100 thousand in Russia, that is, 12 thousand per country per year, 35 people per day with more than half the population, and without any legal access of citizens to weapons, you preferred to ignore. Love double standards and lies by default?
        2. El Barto
          El Barto 20 January 2023 12: 15
          +1
          This is lies and demagogy.
          The death rate from firearms per 100 people has risen from 000 per 10,3 in 100 to 000 per 1999 in 12, with 100 people dying per day or a total of about 000 homicides.
          Between 1990 and 2021, more than 1,1 million people died from firearms in the United States.

          And that's just for murders. And how many other crimes with the use of firearms?
          1. UAZ 452
            UAZ 452 20 January 2023 12: 42
            +4
            This is lies and demagogy.
            The death rate from firearms per 100 people has risen from 000 per 10,3 in 100 to 000 per 1999 in 12, with 100 people dying per day or a total of about 000 homicides.

            You first check your own numbers on a calculator before accusing someone of lying - it seems that they are not only taken from the ceiling, but also completely contradict each other.
            12 murders per 100 thousand of the population with a population of more than 300 million would give more than 36 thousand murders a year, and by no means 14542, like yours. And how many days do you have in a year? If 365, then 109 corpses per day, this, again, is about 37 thousand per year, and not 14542. So in summary: worse than a lie can only be a lie that contradicts itself.
            1. El Barto
              El Barto 20 January 2023 13: 05
              +3
              Mortality includes not only murders.
              This is also
              -TTP subsequently resulting in death,
              -suicide
              - Careless handling of weapons
        3. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 20 January 2023 15: 31
          +2
          In the US, 5 murders per year
          Moreover, at least 3 of them are disassembly of ethnic gangs among themselves.
      4. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 January 2023 11: 04
        +11
        Quote: Amateur
        And in the United States, where weapons are allowed and almost everyone is armed, there are regular attacks on schools with a large number of victims.

        There is one subtle point here: the vast majority of these attacks take place in gun-free zones. That is, where the criminal is 146% sure that no one will be able to provide armed resistance to him - and suits hunting in the zoo.

        The most egregious case was, of course, in Fort Hood in 2009 - the shooter at the military base had to be stopped not by the army, not by the military police, but by the army civilian police, who usually work on the outer perimeter of military facilities and interact with civilians. Because only they had weapons.
        1. Dwellernet
          Dwellernet 20 January 2023 16: 53
          +6
          The best videos from Texas, which has the lowest crime rate in the US. There, the offender often only manages to pull out the barrel when he is already being felled from several sides.
          And very often even the old lady's dandelions wink
      5. Planem
        Planem 20 January 2023 12: 05
        +1
        Correlates, and how! There are many times fewer such armed attacks in Russia than in the United States. Why? Yes, because in the Shooting States of America the most firearms are in the hands of the population and the most freedom to acquire, store, transport and carry them. The truth is as simple as God's day: the denser and thicker the clouds in the sky, the stronger the rain, the more weapons in the hands of the population, the more it shoots at people. And, by the way, in the overwhelming majority of cases, armed criminals who used weapons on citizens in the United States are still stopped by law enforcement officers, and not ordinary citizens. Practice shows that the problem of protecting citizens from armed attacks should be solved not by increasing the number of weapons in the hands of the population, but by reducing it. During the late Soviet era, there were far fewer armed attacks than in post-Soviet Russia, the United States, and many other countries, because there were far fewer firearms in circulation and in the hands of the population, especially short-barreled ones. An increase in the number of firearms on hand also entails its more active use in everyday life, as well as suicides. If a wife hits her husband or mother-in-law with a frying pan on the head during a family showdown, then the victims run the risk of receiving, as a rule, a moderate head injury, but what if she shoots at them? there is no need to talk about men. It is even easier for them to assert themselves by using firearms rather than fists or knives. And how much easier is it to commit suicide with a pistol than to hang yourself or throw yourself from a height? In general, it is necessary to reduce the number of weapons in the hands of the population, and not to increase them, to tighten the rules for their circulation, storage and carrying, and not to liberalize, and also to increase the responsibility for their violation. Well, in order to increase the security of citizens, it is necessary to demand that employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other law enforcement agencies be not office workers, but do not serve at posts, on patrols and are ready for immediate departure on calls from citizens.
      6. solar
        solar 21 January 2023 09: 04
        +1
        The example is unsuccessful. In US schools, law-abiding citizens are prohibited from carrying weapons, so criminals are drawn there - there is no one to answer.
      7. Ilya22558
        Ilya22558 24 January 2023 11: 42
        0
        Most of the attacks with guns in the states occur just in the gun-free zones (Gun-free zones) you can read the article "Nugent: Gun-free zones are recipe for disaster"
    3. Silver99
      Silver99 20 January 2023 06: 24
      +17
      Only a free man owns a weapon, try to take something away from him. The state simply considers its people not worthy of being free ((((Think about it, this is not about selling short-barreled barrels in the bread departments of stores. A medical examination and a license are required, rifled weapons must be fired before they are sold and no one will go to rob with him, it's like leave a business card. You don't ban frying pans and kitchen knives, but it is with them that the largest percentage of crimes. It's all about the fear of the authorities of a free person, it is more difficult to control them.
      1. Maverick1812
        Maverick1812 20 January 2023 07: 54
        +20
        Exactly! The authorities are afraid of a free and armed citizen, so they will never allow this.
        1. not the one
          not the one 20 January 2023 10: 45
          +23
          The authorities are afraid of a free and armed citizen, so they will never allow this.
          I agree! They are not afraid that the people will shoot each other, they are generally deeply and irrevocably against the people. The people for them are biomass, taxpayers and the electorate. If they die - don't care, the women will give birth to new ones, or we will bring migrants.
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 20 January 2023 13: 42
          +1
          and how will the presence of a pistol allow you to get a VUS of an ATGM operator?
        3. Dwellernet
          Dwellernet 20 January 2023 16: 57
          +5
          The second amendment in the US constitution says that if the US government grossly violates the rights of Americans and the Constitution, then the real citizens are OBLIGED to overthrow this government. But then the government will have an armed army against an unarmed population, and for this it is necessary to legalize the possession of weapons. Just leveling the odds. Imagine something like this?
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 20 January 2023 09: 55
        +13
        In the Scandinavian saga, it is remarkably postulated that possession of weapons is not a right, but a duty of a free person. For only it guarantees this freedom of yours ..

        But! As the owner of several barrels with many years of experience, I am convinced that before allowing such a dangerous thing as a short barrel, it is necessary to create a STRUCTURE for this. A wide network of shooting ranges, shooting galleries, training courses, etc., etc. And most importantly - to work on the brains of the population .. For a weapon in itself, without the ability to wield it, is not worth anything. Moreover, it is dangerous for the owner himself, as it creates all sorts of illusions in him .. Which can cost him and those around him dearly. We need a weapon culture, and only then possession ..

        After all, it would seem that everyone understands that if we say a fellow in the Middle Ages manages to get a sword, this will not solve any of his problems. Moreover, he will be perceived as a warrior by his presence, and treated accordingly. And he doesn't know how to use it! With all the consequences at the first skirmish. Why is it considered that this does not apply to a pistol? Yes, you will get tired of it in the winter to start pulling it out of winter clothes! No habit. Habits are only developed through practice. What nonecha - clearly no one will do just out of laziness. Referring to the firearm as some kind of magical amulet that protects the owner by the very fact of its existence ..
        1. iury.vorgul
          iury.vorgul 20 January 2023 10: 45
          +7
          Dear Pavel. For 27 years I had the right to bear arms, and as soon as I retired in 2010, I lost it. Interestingly, where did my pistol skills disappear right away in retirement?
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 20 January 2023 11: 06
            +7
            Carrying weapons and wielding skills are still somewhat different things .. The Vatican guards also march with halberds - but I strongly doubt that they know how to use them.
            1. iury.vorgul
              iury.vorgul 24 January 2023 10: 39
              +1
              Well, I not only had the right to wear. And I also used it - 9 years in the teaching staff and 3 years as a district police officer in the 90s somehow raise the skills of possession rather robustly. Plus 3 months of a business trip to the war zone, where he gained skills in mastering the PKK and SVD. And in the intelligence regiment of the GRU equipment in 83-84 they taught me to use Kalash. But he retired and that's it ... He immediately forgot how to hold a weapon in his hands and became a potentially dangerous type. So maybe let's immediately disarm the police, among them the Evsyukovs meet, and the army does not need weapons - otherwise they shoot at their own at the shooting ranges and desert with it. Better as in Petty Britain - he rebuffed the robber and sat down instead of him, for causing him moral suffering.
        2. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 20 January 2023 11: 32
          +7
          We need a weapon culture, and only then possession ..

          Here, below, they already answered such an argument - the same thing as first passing on the rights, and then for the first time in your life to drive a car. It’s even cooler here - for the first time to see a car (gun) live. How can there be a culture of what is not? Gun ownership culture without gun ownership? Nonsense! However, now this is how surgeons are taught in our country - since the teacher is responsible for all the jambs of the trainee, they only give young people to look, and read books, maximum - hold the hooks, and operate - let them do it themselves, after receiving the crust, at their own responsibility ( if anything - I'm a doctor, but we were still taught differently).
          1. El Barto
            El Barto 20 January 2023 12: 47
            -5
            But who told you that our population does not have weapons?
            Our population has more weapons in their hands than in Brazil, while the population is 1,5 times less.
            Here is the opinion of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime:
            “An important indicator that determines the calmness in the country is the low number of firearms among the population. The more guns and pistols in the hands of the inhabitants, the higher the likelihood of crimes or accidents.

            The anti-rating by the number of weapons looks like this:

            USA - 39334700.

            India - 71101000.

            China - 49735000.

            Pakistan - 43917000.

            Russia - 17620000.

            Brazil - 17510000.

            Mexico - 16809000.

            Germany - 15822000.

            Yemen - 14859000."
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 20 January 2023 16: 39
            +1
            Gun ownership culture without gun ownership?

            Well, yes - exams, or there they introduced a minimum of type for nothing .. And the legal aspects of owning and using weapons - will you also begin to study only after receiving the barrel? Weak at first, let's say a dozen workouts in the shooting range to go through? To at least put the store with the right end? I'm just silent for the ability to at least hit the target ..
          3. Barberry25
            Barberry25 20 January 2023 18: 11
            +2
            those. Let's allow pistols to be given out indiscriminately, we will get several tens of thousands of dead from crossbows and inability to handle weapons in order to get "culture"? ?
      3. nickname7
        nickname7 20 January 2023 11: 55
        -5
        Only a free man owns a weapon, try to take something away from him

        Free to free strife, someone is sitting at home with his mother, he has no friends, and someone will gather a gang of strong guys, as a result, your freedom will end with the fact that a gun is thrust into you, in general, it will not help you, because strength is in numbers, in skills, in connections, not freedom.
        Watch at least westerns on the wild west there was your favorite time.
        In the free world, the rich and arrogant always have an advantage, our 90s will not let you lie. For the common man, strong power is better than freedom with anarchy
        .
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 20 January 2023 13: 05
          +7
          will gather a gang of strong guys
          And will they gather, knowing that one of them will be fixed in a cemetery or a wheelchair while demonstrating their own strength?
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 20 January 2023 16: 41
          +2
          Yes. I had familiar bandos in the 90s .. Five years later, there were only two left from the brigade. Who thought hard about the question - do they live correctly? And it hurts that the score was not in their favor. And now - a long time ago quite respectable citizens ..
      4. El Barto
        El Barto 20 January 2023 12: 20
        0
        Who's stopping you then? Get help, permission and go buy a gun.
        Our population, under 8 million, only has official trunks in their hands, and no one counted how many unregistered
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 20 January 2023 13: 40
          +2
          I will reveal a terrible secret - even if pistols are allowed, those who are not buying a shotgun now, but demand to legalize CSR will not buy it .. these are Wishlist
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 20 January 2023 07: 05
      +14
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      killed in a few minutes 17 people ...

      For a few minutes? Actually 18 people and 23 wounded. Yes, and managed to get from the first to the fourth floor. How is it possible in a few minutes?

      It took the shooter more than 50 minutes. And no one stopped him. And he killed himself.

      Quote: Lech from Android.
      for some reason this story was quickly closed with complete silence ...

      Yes. Because the GBR (Russian Guardsmen) really arrived in a few minutes (they are located there very close to the school). The school security guard managed to press the alarm button.
    5. Doccor18
      Doccor18 20 January 2023 07: 23
      +12
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Before talking about a ban on weapons, any such writers need to explain to people

      What to explain? The people understand it. The authors who fully support the point of view of the state - too. The people should be as unarmed as possible. I hope everyone understands why...
      In one of the schools, they also tried to offer protection - a gray-haired old man armed with a hand-held metal detector. How he can ensure the safety of thousands of children in a three-story building, no one has explained ...
      1. Jcvai
        Jcvai 20 January 2023 09: 07
        +2
        Sometimes there is a choice between at least something or no...
        At the very least, the "gray-haired old man" can buy time.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 20 January 2023 09: 39
          +7
          Quote: JcVai
          At the very least, the "gray-haired old man" can buy time.

          Are you serious?
          Against an armed man?
      2. AUL
        AUL 20 January 2023 09: 22
        +13
        Quote: Doccor18
        What to explain? The people understand it. The authors who fully support the point of view of the state - too.

        The author, of course, is an experienced demagogue! A master of inflating not particularly reliable data (as, for example, in Switzerland and Scandinavia) and ignoring facts that are inconvenient for him (for example, about a decrease in crime in the Baltic states and Moldova, the availability of weapons for criminals). But to incite the most respectable public - yes, this is possible!
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 20 January 2023 09: 42
          +11
          Quote: AUL
          The master inflates not particularly reliable data (as, for example, in Switzerland and Scandinavia) ...

          Yeah. I specifically looked at different ratings of depression in the population from 2013 to 2021. Neither Switzerland nor Norway are in the top five in Europe ...

          Quote: AUL
          But to incite the most respectable public - yes, this is possible!

          It is sacred.
          1. El Barto
            El Barto 20 January 2023 12: 39
            -1
            Demagoguery is an attempt to link the presence / absence of weapons with the level of crime. Which has completely different reasons of a socio-economic nature.
            And examples of small rural countries with a small sparse population are not correct at all. If we compare Russia with the United States, Mexico and Brazil. And compare the Baltic States and Moldova with Belarus, where the crime rate is much lower.

            In February 2017, Belarus ranked 10th in the crime and safety rating, which includes 125 countries. The rating is published by the Numbeo portal.
            Of the closest neighbors of Belarus, Poland ranked 30th, Latvia - 40th, Lithuania - 50th, Russia -67th, Ukraine - 85th.
            The top three most dangerous countries in the world are Honduras (123rd), Papua New Guinea (124th) and Venezuela (125th).
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 20 January 2023 13: 02
              0
              Poland ranked 30th, Latvia - 40th, Lithuania - 50th, Russia -67th, Ukraine - 85th.
              A purely subjective experience, except for Russia, was in all of the above countries. Both my wife and I felt completely safe, which, by the way, was neither in England nor in France - I was instinctively half-way there, admiring the city at night, as in Kyiv, by the way. There, even taxi drivers told me that it’s better not to walk at night . Something like this. And about Belarus, I doubt the objectivity of statistics, but father has everything yes under control.
              1. El Barto
                El Barto 20 January 2023 13: 38
                0
                If subjectively, then in Minsk (as in Moscow time and St. Petersburg) it is quite calm at night.
                What can not be said about the night Copenhagen, Helsinki and let's say Basel. And it's not about weapons, but about mass public alcoholism of the population, especially on Friday evening
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 20 January 2023 13: 48
                  0
                  I don't travel. And for many years in Switzerland, and not as some kind of useless IT tosser, but as a "high-ranking servant of capital."
                  This is your quote. So you are about yourself, beloved smile tell on December 4th laughing . So to believe you is not to respect yourself. A week in Copenhagen no one I didn't see a drunk, by the way.
                  1. El Barto
                    El Barto 20 January 2023 15: 02
                    -2
                    Places to know :)
                    Next time you visit Strøget or Vesterbro
                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 20 January 2023 15: 05
                      0
                      visit Strøget or Vesterbro
                      There are offices of international banks wassat ? I didn't even see drunks in Christiania.
                      1. El Barto
                        El Barto 20 January 2023 15: 26
                        -2
                        This is because you are a cultural tourist, and even with your wife. And in this Westerbro I spent almost 2 thousand from a credit card overnight, moving with colleagues from one tavern to another.
                        Meeting at 8:30 in the morning. It was a terrible day.
                      2. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 20 January 2023 15: 52
                        0
                        It was necessary to take "Gulfstream" and to Karelia, to steam off in a bathhouse yes before the meeting. Moreover, the bars there (in Copenhagen) are filled up to 3 (and even then not all), and on weekdays they are empty after 11 in general.
                      3. El Barto
                        El Barto 20 January 2023 16: 43
                        0
                        Gulf streams are for the upper bourgeoisie, not for office rats.
                        But one should not think that only business travelers who stagger around the taverns until closing create an alcoholic background there. The bulk are still local. And yes on a business day
                      4. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 20 January 2023 17: 06
                        -2
                        But one should not think that only business travelers who stagger around the taverns until closing create an alcoholic background there.
                        After midnight, even the local policeman (he knew his hometown a little laughing ) could not help us find the tavern. But in general, yes, a convincing version good . Only Zelensky is more truthful than you yes .
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    6. steelmaker
      steelmaker 20 January 2023 09: 47
      +14
      ".how can an ordinary person protect himself before the arrival of the police so that he is not killed during this time?"
      According to our laws, a person does not have the right to protection. If the attacking criminal is harmed, you will be prosecuted for grievous bodily harm. And it doesn't matter where it was: on the street or in your house. Full of examples! We need, first of all, a law on self-defense. My home is my castle! Like this. As long as there is no law on self-defense, the law on weapons is useless.
      And when attacked, never admit that you hit first at all. They pushed me, dodged, they wanted to hit me, but they hit me in their own way, stepped on him, slipped and fell, etc. Depending on the situation. In front of witnesses and cameras, never be the first to hit. Yes, there are many options.
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 20 January 2023 12: 03
        +6
        According to our laws, a person does not have the right to protection. If the attacking criminal is harmed, you will be prosecuted for grievous bodily harm.

        I completely agree with this, this is not the order, in the states if there is evidence that someone is being attacked, while the victim shoots the attacker, then nothing will happen to him. On the one hand, the police are cool in protecting citizens, on the other hand, self-defense is prohibited. This must be fought by demanding the adoption of a law, in self-defense. But personal possession of a pistol will not solve the problem of either offense or self-defense.
    7. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 20 January 2023 10: 31
      +14
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The author made an emphasis on extraneous things.

      The author spent a lot of words to prove that a criminal "can" have a weapon (not because he "can", but because he has), but a law-abiding citizen cannot. That's the whole story. That's when the state seizes ALL (!!!) weapons from criminals, then we'll talk - does a citizen need to have a short barrel?
      According to the Constitution, all citizens of the Russian Federation are equal, or are criminals, those who have weapons, more equal?
    8. Barberry25
      Barberry25 20 January 2023 13: 38
      +3
      then it makes sense to ask another question .. if you were attacked, and you NOW have neither a shocker nor pepper spray with you, then why would you suddenly go and buy Makarov or TT for your wife when legalizing pistols? That's right .. don't buy it. Now we need to take into account the moment that it is necessary to change the legislation in terms of self-defense.
    9. AAK
      AAK 20 January 2023 14: 52
      +9
      To the author, then, first of all, it is necessary to ban kitchen knives and axes for chopping and chopping firewood - ten times more people are killed with them than with registered weapons, while criminals, as a rule, use unregistered weapons ...
      I also continue to be a supporter of the mandatory storage of weapons with the assigned contingent in reserve, as they do in Israel, Cyprus and the same Switzerland (they can by no means be classified as the most criminal. In contrast, for example, from the same Brazil, where with the use of weapons, crimes are committed hundreds of times more). I think that the author is somewhat distorting, not giving specific statistics for the same Switzerland - out of the number of armed crimes and suicides, how many were committed by weapons that the reservists kept, how many by native Swiss, and how many by all sorts of migrants, how many weapons were used in self-defense, and blurt out about the "oppressed Swiss spirit" a lot of mind is not needed. Personally, my opinion about all kinds of inhibition by the state institutions of Russia of the legal circulation of weapons is, first of all, distrust, or rather, even fear of the armed people by those in power ...
    10. perm18
      perm18 23 January 2023 13: 18
      0
      And what would you do in such a situation. shoot and there are students. and if you missed and hit them. or a student armed with fright put you or his fellow students.
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  5. Mazunga
    Mazunga 20 January 2023 04: 50
    +32
    Yes, for no reason to allow people weapons))) they took away a hundred years not in order to distribute))) here, the Moldovans can be cold-blooded like Finns and finally don’t break the law))) the Balts can they feed the whole USSR and puffed for everyone being a showcase of the Soviet world and deep where to the people?)) and why sit a swarm of potatoes. there is still no money, so the criminal is not terrible, well, he won’t climb to a person who has an income of 22 thousand a month ((well, if let’s say, like in Kovdor or Sevastopol there, and at least in Kondopoga, it’s an ordinary everyday life and you don’t need any weapons ) the Russians have weapons, who have a tradition of having weapons at home. The Caucasian republics, for example, there, in general, folk craft, historically, it was in stuffing cows)))) and even if the train is robbed by the whole village, this is not a crime, because the people cannot commit crimes and who thinks to another, that Nazi, and if you work as a bartender or storekeeper in the ozone, or hunchback at a construction site, well, why such a weapon? shoots his own eggs
    1. not the one
      not the one 20 January 2023 08: 21
      +18
      That's right, to ban everything. And also kitchen knives - suddenly they will cut off their own fingers, than they will draw ticks for our benefactors and intercessors in the ballots at the next elections. Everything is for the people, everything in the name of their good and well-being, we have all the laws.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 January 2023 11: 11
        +15
        Quote: not the one
        And also kitchen knives - suddenly they cut their own fingers

        Yes, what are the fingers. A kitchen knife, EMNIP, is one of the most common weapons for killing or inflicting grievous bodily harm.
        So our deputies are underperforming. They should take care of the order of handling, storage, transportation and use of kitchen knives. Well, there, purchase permits, training courses, a medical examination, sale only by permission with the presentation of a chef's certificate, inspections with checks on storage rules (only in a safe in the kitchen, chained to a safe with a chain), a knife box, etc.
        1. Adrey
          Adrey 20 January 2023 14: 55
          +6
          Quote: Alexey RA
          So our deputies are underperforming. They should take care of the order of handling, storage, transportation and use of kitchen knives.

          It can be easier. If my memory serves me right, in Okinawa, after it was conquered by the samurai, a law was introduced - ONE knife per village chained to a pole in the center of the square. Needed - came, used, left. That's what I understand, tight control. Our deputies have someone to take an example from in history hi
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 20 January 2023 16: 25
            +11
            Quote: Adrey
            It can be easier. If my memory serves me right, in Okinawa, after it was conquered by the samurai, a law was introduced - ONE knife per village chained to a pole in the center of the square. Needed - came, used, left.

            Can. But not necessary. For such a decision simplifies the control procedure and reduces the number of bureaucrats required for this. And this is unacceptable.
            Just imagine - how many new regular places can be knocked out under the control of kitchen knives. How many structures to create. How many mutually contradictory laws and rules to adopt - and how many fines and bribes to collect for their non-compliance. smile
            1. Adrey
              Adrey 20 January 2023 20: 46
              +1
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Can. But it is not necessary.

              Great comment! Taking off my hat hi laughing good
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 20 January 2023 13: 45
      +2
      And how many registered weapons do you have at home?
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 20 January 2023 05: 00
    +6
    Why am I against legal short barrels
    Be bloody in the comments smile
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 20 January 2023 05: 46
      +6
      Be bloody in the comments
      First time or what?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 20 January 2023 06: 00
        +2
        Yes, not for the first time .. The topic is, "good fellows walked around, well done!" (c) .. How many of them have already been, similar topics.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 20 January 2023 06: 10
          +4
          As Shpakovsky says, only clickbait and the density of the information flow are important.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 20 January 2023 06: 25
            +2
            As Shpakovsky says, only clickbait and the density of the information flow are important.
            laughing good
          2. Edward Vashchenko
            Edward Vashchenko 20 January 2023 07: 53
            0
            As Shpakovsky says, only clickbait and the density of the information flow are important.

            Holy words!
            good
          3. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 20 January 2023 10: 11
            +7
            Oh, yes, Shpakovsky often blurts out such things that at least take out all the saints. And all the flow of his information carries it like that, in my eyes he brought it to the Gauleiter.
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 20 January 2023 08: 00
          +6
          "good fellows roamed, well done!"
          The most important thing is without a short barrel in your hands.)))
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 20 January 2023 05: 48
      +6
      Quote: parusnik
      Why am I against legal short barrels
      Be bloody in the comments

      Anything to be. Especially if you think about the title of the article. The author is against the legal short-barrel. And the illegal is ready to welcome?
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 20 January 2023 08: 25
        +11
        Quote: NDR-791
        And the illegal is ready to welcome?

        And the illegal doesn't care, whether they greet him or not ...
  7. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 20 January 2023 05: 11
    +14
    The author here hooked on karate. Maybe then he will remember what motivated the authorities to ban? It is the possibility of resistance. THIS IS KARATE, which an ARMED police officer had to resist. And there were not so many thugs in the sections. I speak as someone who has been doing it for several years. And from conversations with the then policemen, he understood the true essence of the ban. The authorities were afraid of the appearance of uncontrolled and self-sufficient groups of the population to the point of trembling in the knees. And the same with shorts. Better to ban. Our authorities always take the path of least resistance.
    1. Fat
      Fat 20 January 2023 09: 54
      +4
      hi
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      Better to ban. Our authorities always take the path of least resistance.

      Why only our authorities?
      Any bureaucratic fraternity tends to strive to obtain the most effective result with the minimum expenditure of effort and money ... request
      1. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 20 January 2023 11: 22
        +4
        Why only officials? Any. This is a completely rational approach. The only question is whether those whom they consider the object of control will meekly drive themselves into a stall (or into a slaughterhouse), or not. If it is easier and cheaper to agree, take into account the interests of a partner/opponent/employee/citizen, then they will do so, if this is not necessary, they will be bent, because someone who does not want / cannot defend their interests would simply be long, and does not deserve any rights .
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 20 January 2023 13: 51
      +4
      though in the end a number of sections turned into organized crime groups. So there was some truth in this decision .. The question is different, why do you need CSR: Everyone writes about "but they will attack and now I will defend myself." Then the question is immediately, if you are now actively exposed attacks, then therefore you already have self-defense in your pocket? For example, a gas spray or a shocker? Or maybe an injury? how many smoothbore and rifled are framed? the same story - most of those who require it do not have it.
  8. yuriy55
    yuriy55 20 January 2023 05: 21
    +12
    I understand that the issue of legalizing short barrels will periodically arise in the future.

    The question of the legalization of short barrels will arise until ALL CITIZENS OF RUSSIA receive equal rights to protection from violence, robbery and attack.
    * * *
    As for inadequate teenagers, their parents are the chicks of the EBN coup. It is they who instill in their children (if they appear) the laws of survival. and gopniks appear where there are no state law enforcement agencies, and the judicial system is not fair (where everything is decided by money).
    * * *
    In addition, I PERSONALLY believe that a person has every right to protect his health (the health of citizens) from dogs, because the state has left the issue of keeping these animals to chance.

    Such animal defenders should be left alone with the flocks ...
    And before there were trapping services.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 20 January 2023 09: 10
      -2
      Quote: yuriy55
      a person has every right to protect his health (health of citizens) from dogs, because the state has left the issue of keeping these animals to chance.

      The state went on about the animal rights activists and the media. In order to solve this problem by 99%, it is not at all necessary to arm the population without exception (especially since no one will give a child a trunk anyway), but it is enough to give a damn about the opinion and tantrums of these animal rights activists and return to the practice of trapping and destroying homeless animals and animals running around the cities without the supervision of the owners.
    2. for
      for 20 January 2023 10: 56
      +4
      Quote: yuriy55
      Such animal defenders should be left alone with the flocks ...

      Not zoodefenders, but officials organizing capture. If they were caught and released into the wild as required by law, these dogs would no longer be on the street or there would be only a few thanks to "conscientious owners"
      A clip is inserted into the ear of sterilized bitches, and she runs around pregnant.
    3. Barberry25
      Barberry25 20 January 2023 13: 54
      +2
      did you try to use a gas canister against dogs? This is not to mention the fact that the use of weapons in a peaceful city, not on the battlefield, is a very difficult environment - you need to clearly be able to handle weapons so as not only to injure yourself by shooting dogs, but not to shoot someone then through the window or injuring a passing passerby .. By the way, the difference between the work of the police and the army is the task of the military to hit the target, and the policeman must look WHERE he shoots and take into account WHO and WHAT is on the line of fire and behind it.
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        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 20 January 2023 18: 05
          +2
          I’ll reveal a terrible secret, but even 7 dogs really don’t want to sniff the air with pepper, and you, with your “knowledge”, chasing dogs, shoot passers-by
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  9. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 20 January 2023 05: 33
    +3
    Any weapon is intended either for crime or to protect oneself dear. If you remember the past, then for the owner of a firearm it always ended in disaster. He could scare the attackers, but unexpectedly used it in his own home. To allow the carrying of firearms, laws are needed to implement them. Who will deal with this? Now the whole atmosphere is saturated with hatred. Some people have hatred for the Nazis. Others have a sense of deprivation. They hung symbols on us. About the "space empire", about the superiority of the spirit over reality. Whoever is weak in soul will be the first to shoot. The mess in the heads is not treated with weapons.
    1. not the one
      not the one 20 January 2023 08: 14
      +14
      Now the whole atmosphere is saturated with hatred.
      You can achieve much more with a kind word and a gun than with just a kind word.
  10. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 20 January 2023 05: 41
    +4
    Quote: Russian quilted jacket
    The author here hooked on karate.

    The author does not know the sayings of the 90s ... an old TT is better than judo and karate. smile
    The cemeteries of Russia are full of such karate-athletes ... fighters of the 90s.
  11. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 20 January 2023 05: 43
    +6
    Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
    Now the whole atmosphere is saturated with hatred.

    So it's not about weapons, but about devastation in the minds of people ... request
    And this problem will be more difficult.
    1. not the one
      not the one 20 January 2023 08: 14
      +17
      - Why do you need a revolver?
      - To learn to trust people.
    2. Dwellernet
      Dwellernet 20 January 2023 17: 09
      +4
      It's not a problem. This is the style of governing our country. Divide and Conquer policy.
  12. cat-begemot
    cat-begemot 20 January 2023 05: 50
    +15
    The author writes nonsense, this is not a kindergarten, there are grandmothers on a bench at the entrance. Switzerland was especially pleased, with its examples and "statistics". Suppose that the presence of high-rise buildings increases the number of suicide pilots, and selling bread in stores is simply deadly, because all murderers, suicides, drivers, security forces and criminals eat bread. I look at the Baltic states, the Czech Republic, weapons are possible, the crime rate, in general, has not changed. There are fewer serious crimes. And at the expense of the police and the execution of detainees and suspects, violent and stupid run out quickly, the rest will think a hundred times whether to get the barrel in front of the security forces. A weapon is a tool that needs to be taught to use, you need to understand its seriousness and danger. Otherwise, grinders, chainsaws, crowbars and axes with kitchen knives should also be banned. And cars. Citizen with a weapon, this is strength, confidence, calmness for others, but, according to the author, he is dangerous. And a citizen with a weapon in the forest, is he a hunter, is he like an angel? Why is a law-abiding citizen deprived of the right to adequately protect himself, his relatives, his own property?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 20 January 2023 05: 58
      +2
      Quote: kot-begemot
      .And a citizen with a weapon in the forest, is he a hunter, is he like an angel?

      Yeah, I’m standing “on the number” with a carbine and I feel how the wings are growing, and the roe deer shied away from the halo wassat
      1. Chrysophylax
        Chrysophylax 20 January 2023 10: 30
        +9
        Nimbus must be wrapped with camouflage tape!
        Do not give thanks
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 20 January 2023 16: 48
          +4
          Well, I'm a hunter. Here's my avatar with a gun. I will say this - with a weapon in your hands you feel like a completely different person. There is some calmness and self-confidence. You have to visit remote places where not only a pack of wild dogs, but also a wolf with a wild boar can attack. And people always talk to me and everything is very polite when I have a weapon in my hands.
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 20 January 2023 14: 01
      +2
      sorry, but do you already have a ready-made system? which with a guarantee will teach and the "violent" ones will end .. In the USA, as practice has shown, the violent ones do not end to this day and there is always a percentage of those who were extinguished during detention, because they twitched at the wrong time. And for hunters, there are regular crossbows, friendly fire or loss of weapons .. and we are talking about a hefty "scrap" gun, and not a compact pistol .. what can I say, our children regularly suffer from injuries .. Do you want to allow CSR? please, But after 10 years of owning a smoothbore and rifled and without comment .. I suspect that, apart from athletes, most of the bolts will eventually score in such a situation
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 20 January 2023 15: 55
        -2
        Quote: Barberry25
        In the USA, as practice has shown, violent do not end to this day

        USA is a source of sodomy and depravity. They are brought up from childhood so that the Americans are the highest nation ...
        And the system is developed simply, you only need time for its full perception and assimilation.
        Life, where speculation and deception of one's neighbor under the guise of enterprise is at the head, gives rise to ghouls, for whom one's own "I" is more important than public morality and rules.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 20 January 2023 18: 09
          +1
          those. there is no system, but there is a wild desire to get a gun? and while you are in THEORY building up the work of the system, how many should die from the fact that pistols will be issued haphazardly? And yes, it’s very funny about the "us source ..." as if this explains that free access to weapons creates problems there that force you to open fire to kill on any suspicion. You first work out the system at least on a long barrel, and then offer to allow CSR ...
  13. Alexander Ivanovich
    Alexander Ivanovich 20 January 2023 05: 56
    -3
    I agree with the author that there is no point in arming. This will bring more problems than good.
    [/ quote] Someday there will come a time when we can safely buy pistols or rifles in a store, but for this we must change. [quote]

    If such a time comes, there will be no need for weapons, as we will change.
    Well, if you still allow selling to sell, then it would not be bad to work out a way to identify weapons by a fired bullet. That is, when registering weapons in the database, the features of this barrel should be indicated. Then it will be possible to determine the owner by the pool.
    Such a measure will increase the responsibility of the owners, because they will have to explain the reason for the shooting.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 20 January 2023 06: 02
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Ivanovich
      it would not be bad to work out a way to identify weapons by a fired bullet.

      In fact, shooting is a standard procedure for any rifle. Even the police pistols have been shot and the shells and bullets are in the file cabinets. I’m not talking about hunting weapons at all - this is the first question in LRO by default.
      1. Arisaka
        Arisaka 20 January 2023 13: 00
        +1
        Only when shooting with a lead scooter (it is now officially allowed for rifling) or a half-shell is this completely useless information. Information slipped through the Hansa that very few people were found on these tracks.
        1. Adrey
          Adrey 20 January 2023 15: 16
          +2
          Quote from Arisaka
          Only when shooting with a lead scooter (it is now officially allowed for rifling) or a half-shell is this completely useless information.

          Disagree. I don’t know about lead (and I don’t see the point in such a pool either. It will come off the rifling), but the half-shell may well be identified by fragments, unlike the shell. She will take off and look for her fistulas, if not indoors. Well, shell casings (if not picked up) are also a thing for research.
    2. not the one
      not the one 20 January 2023 08: 29
      +14
      I agree with the author that there is no point in arming.
      That's right, why do people feel protected. We live in the most beautiful country in the world, and all the other countries envy us! It’s allowed for law-abiding citizens to have weapons in everyone there, but why do we need it, we haven’t grown up to that. All sorts of Moldovans matured, but we are not. And there are clear reasons not to allow law-abiding citizens the possession of a short-barrel was never heard from opponents of permission in any discussion like this here. So, some kind of water.
      1. Terator
        Terator 20 January 2023 12: 31
        +9
        Much has been written. Very! .. in my opinion, the main thing is lost !! We need a law on privacy and property, and a strong adjustment of the law from self-defense. If someone picked up something on my wife or daughter .. you can shoot. If someone entered my territory .. you can shoot .. well, etc. and then it will be unnecessary to refer that he "did not know" .. this will even reduce domestic crimes at times. Well, at school ... Just smack))))) it doesn’t hurt - but it’s offensive !!))))
        1. Terator
          Terator 20 January 2023 12: 31
          +7
          It is especially necessary to allow shooting at some .. who are trying to enter without a warrant))
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 20 January 2023 14: 10
          +6
          Quote: Terator
          Well, at school ... Just smack))))) it doesn’t hurt - but it’s offensive !!))))

          Oh ho ho, how can you?
          They were even exempted from cleaning the classrooms, because "it is impossible to injure the tender child's psyche with a floor rag, a mop and a bucket" ...
      2. Doccor18
        Doccor18 20 January 2023 14: 07
        +9
        Quote: not the one
        And I haven’t heard any clear reasons not to allow law-abiding citizens to own a short barrel

        And do not hear, for they are not.
      3. -Dmitry-
        -Dmitry- 24 January 2023 05: 03
        0
        Look at the opinion of a person who knows what he is talking about:


        Put everything on the shelves!
    3. yuriy55
      yuriy55 20 January 2023 15: 57
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Ivanovich
      I agree with the author that there is no point in arming. This will bring more problems than good.

      Do you know that some officials thought that you can eat pasta? Only they did not say anything about harm and benefit ...
  14. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 20 January 2023 06: 02
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Ivanovich
    If such a time comes, there will be no need for weapons, as we will change.

    what Seriously.
    For thousands of years of its existence, man has not changed for the better ... request there will be no change for the next 1000 years.
    1. Alexander Ivanovich
      Alexander Ivanovich 20 January 2023 06: 14
      +2
      So after all and I about this! We are not in danger of change...
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 20 January 2023 06: 33
        0
        Quote: Alexander Ivanovich
        So after all and I about this! We are not in danger of change...

        You're giving me such a heart attack smile... how can a crucian carp escape from a pike? request
        1. Russian jacket
          Russian jacket 20 January 2023 06: 58
          +4
          According to prohibitions, a person should feel weak and not have his own dignity and opinion. hi
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 20 January 2023 07: 11
            -7
            smile
            The main thing when you get to the site is not to relax ...
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 20 January 2023 11: 28
              +8
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              smile
              The main thing when you get to the site is not to relax ...

              I'm surprised that you believe in the words of which F.E. never spoke.
              Yes, Svanidzi, posners, etc. of all stripes and ranks did a good job on you.
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 20 January 2023 14: 27
                +1
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Yes, Svanidzi, posners, etc. of all stripes and ranks did a good job on you.

                smile I can't stand them.
                You see how easy it is to make a mistake in a person.
                With this poster, I wanted to say that anyone can go to jail in the most unexpected way. request
                Probably a bad example.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 20 January 2023 14: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: Lech from Android.

                  I can't stand them.

                  In general, I thought so based on your comments on VO, which is why the reference to the alleged F.E. surprised me so much.
                  Quote: Lech from Android.

                  With this poster, I wanted to say that anyone can go to jail in the most unexpected way.

                  Whoever argues, I won’t, and everything would be fine if it weren’t for the annoying reference to F.E.
              2. Adrey
                Adrey 20 January 2023 15: 26
                +4
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Yes, Svanidzi, posners, etc. of all stripes and ranks did a good job on you.

                They can not compare with our state laughing.
                Today I went into the frames for the sake of interest to find out how it is with my seniority pension. Was not that surprised, but had to smile sadly.
                “Yes, from April you will work out the length of service and have the right to a pension according to the length of service. But they will pay you only after 5 years from 2028. And you cannot not work, you will not be paid a pension anyway. You can only not work in your specialty if you do not want, but the grounds for the 28th year will be (maybe).
                Something like this request
          2. not the one
            not the one 20 January 2023 10: 42
            +16
            The most common horror story from our authorities is something like this: everyone will immediately buy guns and start randomly shooting at each other, and as for other countries, neither the Moldovans nor the Balts have killed each other, and they are allowed to sell weapons .. We have not matured, they say .Of course, this is far-fetched nonsense. First, it's just insulting to the people. Secondly, many people have kitchen knives and axes, but people still live in Russia. And if the population of the country decreases, then for completely different reasons.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 20 January 2023 16: 58
              +2
              I agree, they hold us completely for a herd of inadequate people, since such explanations are given out - they say we ourselves will shoot each other.
            2. -Dmitry-
              -Dmitry- 24 January 2023 05: 12
              0


              Just look. I put everything on the shelves, just watch everything, there are only 7 minutes.
  15. Luminman
    Luminman 20 January 2023 06: 08
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Ivanovich
    it would be nice to work out a way to identify weapons by a fired bullet

    That's right! Respect...
  16. Andrey1978
    Andrey1978 20 January 2023 06: 20
    +4
    What are you going to the taiga with, son? With a new carbine, grandfather. Well, that's it .... The bear had a knife, a gun, now there will also be a carbine .... An incident several years ago, a PPS patrol used a weapon at a passerby who was moving down the street with an exact pneumatic copy of the AK-74. Weapons for the population is a very difficult question .... Probably a weapon for an adequate population that will not be emotionally measured by pussies, sorry with pistols, but will use them when 100% there is a need, wild rabid animals, or a hostile gadget ....
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 20 January 2023 17: 01
      0
      From your comment it turns out that adequate people live in the USA, but do we have crazy psychos?
  17. Alexey Alekseev_5
    Alexey Alekseev_5 20 January 2023 06: 27
    +14
    For some reason, in Israel they are not afraid to keep military weapons at home. And there, a quarter of our former people .. It is immediately clear that the author lives in some kind of parallel world.
    1. glock-17
      glock-17 20 January 2023 07: 43
      +13
      In the United States, the right to own a gun is enshrined in the constitution. Citizens have the right to form a militia if the situation gets out of control of the government, and the governor of the state, under certain conditions, can lead it.
  18. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 20 January 2023 06: 28
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Ivanovich
    Agree, no one with a weapon will attack an armed policeman or, say, a collector, in order to take away his phone or bag.

    I don’t agree ... they attacked, attacked and will attack collectors at an opportunity.
    This has happened more than once in the history of collection.
    Now cashless transactions are developed ... they began to attack less ... but private traders with large amounts of cash are gutted mercilessly ... this regularly flies in criminal reports. smile
    1. Alexfly
      Alexfly 20 January 2023 11: 20
      +10
      When you have a pistol, machine gun, double-barreled shotgun, bought officially, i.e. shot in a cartridge case, YOU personally will lose the desire to use it otherwise, as for its intended purpose, in a shooting range, shooting range, range, etc. And to rob someone is a tower ... If there is no way with the psyche, then what kind of weapon are we talking about?
      1. -Dmitry-
        -Dmitry- 24 January 2023 05: 24
        0
        When you have a pistol, machine gun, double-barreled shotgun, bought officially, i.e. shot in a cartridge case, YOU personally will lose the desire to use it otherwise, as for its intended purpose, in a shooting range, shooting range, range, etc. And to rob someone is a tower ... If there is no way with the psyche, then what kind of weapon are we talking about?


        Yeah???? But the statistics say the opposite: a bunch of executions from legal weapons. Moreover, only cases with fatal outcomes are well known, but how many cases are there when weapons are simply used, but without fatal outcomes?

        2020 year
        March 12th. The city of Svobodny, Amur Region. A high school student brought an airgun to a local school and opened fire, as a result of which two students in grades 6 and 8 were injured.
        November 27th. The capital of Kabardino-Balkaria, the city of Nalchik. Lyceum №2. There was a conflict between the relatives of the eighth-grader and the teacher of the educational institution, which turned into a brawl. The teacher left the building and returned with a traumatic gun.
        As a result of two shots fired into the air, the shooter himself and one of his opponents were injured. At the same time, only the teacher got to the hospital, who had received numerous injuries even before the shooting began.
        2019 year
        Krasnoyarsk Territory, the village of Abalakovo. On January 25, one of the students of the local school fired from a hunting rifle in the courtyard of the educational institution. According to law enforcement officers, the child did this after a quarrel with other guys.
        The attacker fired into the air and no one was hurt.
        On April 12, in Engels near Saratov, a 13-year-old schoolboy fired a pneumatic shot at a high school student and hit the girl in the jaw. The victim required medical attention, but only soft tissues were affected.
        In October of the same year, a tragedy was avoided in one of the Moscow schools only thanks to the correct actions of the teacher, who isolated an eighth-grader who fired from a traumatic weapon right in the school building. The teacher called the police, as it turned out later, the air gun belonged to the father of the unlucky shooter.
        2018 year
        In March 2018, in the Urals, a 13-year-old student of the Shadrin school No. 15 fired several shots from an airgun that her cousin brought to school. There were no casualties, but seven classmates of the shooting girl were still injured in the form of bruises and abrasions.
        None of them needed hospitalization, so the educational institution continued to work as usual.
        2017 year
        This year turned out to be especially rich in school emergencies. The first happened on February 11 in the Nizhnekamsk school (Tatarstan), when a 14-year-old boy shot a classmate in the eye right during the lesson. Despite the efforts of doctors, five days after the incident, the injured child died.
        The pistol was brought to school by another boy, who loaded the weapon and handed it over to his friend, but did not say that it was loaded.
        On May 12, shots rang out in the courtyard of the Usinsk school No. 2 (Komi Republic). One of the students opened fire with an air pistol at two teenagers. As a result, a 17-year-old girl was injured.
        A case was opened against the teenager under an article with the wording "Hooliganism" and sentenced to 1,5 years in prison, and the school principal was reprimanded.

        .... Five months later, a high-profile state of emergency occurred in the Ivanteevskaya school No. 1 (Moscow region). On September 5, a ninth-grader came to school with a whole arsenal: he blew up explosive packages in an educational institution, shot at a teacher with an air pistol and hit her with an axe. Fleeing, several schoolchildren jumped out of the window and received injuries of varying severity. Everyone survived, including the teacher.
        The teenager was charged with several criminal cases. He turned out to be fully sane and received a sentence of 7 years and 3 months in an educational colony.


        Of course, now mainly pneumatics and injuries appear, but after the legalization of the COPs, they will already be, because even now the law on weapons and by-laws require that weapon stored in such a way that third parties cannot access it. Any! And as you can see from the sample, children easily get access to arms. Whatever it is, it WEAPONS.
  19. strannik1985
    strannik1985 20 January 2023 06: 34
    +13
    A sketch in the spirit of the yellow press.
    On the street a gun can help from street crime, and for criminals this is a business, robbery is one alignment, attempted murder is completely different. They are not kamikazes to hang on themselves for an additional year of imprisonment.
  20. bairat
    bairat 20 January 2023 06: 35
    +12
    In order for a person to be able to obtain the right to purchase and store (note - store, but not concealed carry), it is necessary to undergo a medical, including psychological, examination.

    My son needed to renew the ROC, and accordingly pass a medical examination. In addition to the fact that the process itself has risen in price, 15 tr, it was stretched out in time: the narcologist conjures with analyzes for a week, the psychiatrist slowly ponders whether to give or not to give, etc. Given that he works in another city, he decided to sell ruzhzho. In the commission shop they say "What are you talking about! We are inundated with your guns, everyone refuses, there are no buyers." Well, we have achieved what we wanted, now we will live? There are no decent words to express my attitude to this situation.
  21. mad big
    mad big 20 January 2023 06: 38
    -4
    As a person who has been carrying PM and APS for 14 years on a permanent basis, I can say that I am against it. Just ask yourself the question - can you get a barrel quickly and apply it, especially in winter? Yes, in the summer too. We are not allowed to carry weapons openly.
    1. HaByxoDaBHocep
      HaByxoDaBHocep 20 January 2023 06: 59
      +1
      I constantly train at home, I bought myself a RAM, though I hardly carry the barrel, I took it a couple of times on long trips
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 20 January 2023 07: 41
        -7
        I constantly train at home, I bought myself a RAM,


        In the event of a conflict, if you climb behind the barrel, then with a fright I will hit in the neck, in the Adam's apple, so that for sure, otherwise it would just be in the liver ... just kidding
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        2. single-n
          single-n 20 January 2023 09: 54
          +13
          I don’t understand why you decided that you would stand 1-2m from me? For some reason, you do not consider cases when several people come to meet you with clearly not good intentions. Or let's say thieves got into my garden. Today I can only say "good evening" to them. Well, or immortal: "Who are you, I didn't call you, go to ....". Or do you offer Bruce Lee style to them all
          "out of fright, I'll hit in the neck, in the Adam's apple, so that for sure, otherwise it would just be in the liver"
          . Should my wife also go and charge them in the liver? And the father-in-law is 70 years old? A gunshot will give them at least some chance. Do not confuse a drunken fight with repelling an attack. Very often you will have time, at least 10-15 seconds.
          1. Hitriy Zhuk
            Hitriy Zhuk 20 January 2023 11: 26
            -7
            For some reason, you do not consider cases when several people come to meet you with clearly not good intentions.

            When you have a microscope in your hands, everything around looks like nails.
            And the herds of downtrodden offenders will begin to see the threat, attack and shoot from here.
            At the same time, it is possible that the conflict (if it happens at all, and not imagined) will be provoked by themselves, by nature bestial (for example, screaming in the yard at night), or intentionally.

            Or let's say thieves got into my garden.

            Yes Yes Yes.
            Let's kill for 3 carrots...
            That's why you can't give weapons to citizens until people like you are gone.

            And in general, this is more and more the fantasy of an adult infantile on the subject of "I want a new toy."
            1. single-n
              single-n 20 January 2023 12: 39
              +11
              When you have a microscope in your hands, everything around looks like nails.
              And the herds of downtrodden offenders will begin to see the threat, attack and shoot from here.

              And what is now preventing herds of offended people from taking an ax and going to cut? Maybe something that there is a sickly opportunity to get in return? This is when you are ONE with a trunk, and there is a crowd of helpless "sheep" around, then you are GOD. And when anyone, even theoretically, can shoot back, then everything is not so rosy. Again, no one suggests handing out trunks like caramels to everyone. Here, of course, they will instantly begin to yell that everything is bought and sold. But with such an approach, what for do we need the police and others like them? If ALL of them are corrupt, then what is the use of them? It’s like at the beginning of the XNUMXs they suggested that money not be stored in the stabilization fund, but put into the economy, then the supreme one answered: “it’s impossible, they will be plundered.” By the way, do you remember where this money ended up going? And now there is no money or factories. Brilliant!!.
              At the same time, it is possible that the conflict (if it happens at all, and not imagined) will be provoked by themselves, by nature bestial (for example, screaming in the yard at night), or intentionally

              Yeah. To provoke a conflict knowing that the opponent is armed.
              Yes Yes Yes.
              Let's kill for 3 carrots...
              That's why you can't give weapons to citizens until people like you are gone.

              Of course of course. And can I have a joke at your house? Well, you're not greedy :) I promise that I won't take much. So little things. And in your car will rummage? Well, think I'll take a jack there or a spare wheel. Aren't you sorry? And then the thief begins to judge in prison. For what? That is why it is impossible to give the police powers, otherwise they are inadequate to jail the whole country. After all, everyone knows that a bucket of potatoes is immediately given for LIFE. Or not?
              Has it ever occurred to you that you don't have to kill right away? During the service, did you immediately sneer right away? Or is there a warning-shot in the air? And having received a weapon, they immediately went to kick everyone and provoke conflicts?
              .
    2. Ezekiel 25-17
      Ezekiel 25-17 20 January 2023 13: 00
      +3
      Workout every day. And don't defend bandadites and assassins.
  22. Galleon
    Galleon 20 January 2023 06: 48
    +16
    There are still many rapes in the country. Well, cut off your penis, author. And he is not authorized to decide for others.
  23. Owl
    Owl 20 January 2023 06: 50
    +6
    Now the country will receive so many illegal weapons and so many "citizens who have known the taste of blood" that the legalization of PM-type pistols for self-defense will be simply necessary ...
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 20 January 2023 11: 03
      +4
      This, unfortunately, is inevitable, and this is a matter for the next six months or a year. And then the massively returned Wagner prisoners (and not only them) will begin to fight for the Russian world in Russia itself. Enemies will be those who were not lucky enough to have an apartment they liked, a car, a telephone, etc. well, and if a beautiful woman refused, she is an obvious agent of the SBU, or at least a shameful liberda.
      As a result, law-abiding citizens will be forced to give a damn about their law-abiding nature (the instinct of self-preservation is stronger), and buy illegal guns from the same NMD veterans. So it will be much better and safer for the state to lead what it still cannot prevent. Legal barrels, at least, will be registered in the bullet case, and any shot from it will have, one might say, the signature of the owner.
  24. HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 20 January 2023 06: 50
    -4
    Personally, I am against short barrels, I myself own a smooth Saiga, a rifled TR3 and an IZH-79 injury, served in the army, with a machine gun every day, served in the Police / Police for 21 years, with a pistol almost every day and I can say that possession of weapons permanently imposes on an imprint of a person, he himself had a case when he retired, got a job at a civilian enterprise, they started fooling around as a joke, the dude swung at me, and my right hand did not voluntarily reach for a pistol, which is not there, this is what I mean , where is the guarantee that some kind of botanist who bought a barrel for himself will not later want to assert himself with the help of it?
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 20 January 2023 07: 43
      -2
      possession of weapons permanently leaves an imprint on a person

      There is a good film "Makarov" with Makovetsky

      The talented poet Makarov lacks only one thing in life - a sense of security. On occasion, he buys a Makarov pistol. Cold metal gradually becomes the most important part of the hero, displacing everything else from life.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 20 January 2023 08: 41
        -6
        what For some people, a gun is a symbol of power over other people ... like if I have a gun, then the one who does not have one is lower in status. request
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 20 January 2023 10: 57
          +9
          Well, it means that everyone, at least not convicted, mentally healthy, should have the right to a short barrel, which is confirmed by a psychiatric examination (and not its imitation, as we have now). Then the problem you indicated will automatically disappear. But those who still have the right to arms are least of all interested in this decision - for them it is really a symbol of power, and which they do not want to cede to anyone (as well as the opportunity to abuse this power).
        2. Adrey
          Adrey 20 January 2023 15: 36
          +1
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          like if I have a gun, then the one who does not have one is lower in status.

          That is if you know that there is no gun. What if others have a gun?
    2. single-n
      single-n 20 January 2023 10: 02
      +11
      And where is the guarantee that a police officer who wants to assert himself will not start naughty at citizens? Moreover, there have already been cases. Let's take their trunks away. and the soldiers too.
      Maybe you don’t need to consider your compatriots as a herd of idiots.? If you personally reach for the trunk during a comic brawl, then this is your professional deformation.
      1. HaByxoDaBHocep
        HaByxoDaBHocep 20 January 2023 19: 28
        -1
        cases of the use of weapons by employees are not the right and left of the unit, the most resonant Serdyukov, and from the same injuries the deer fire at each other every day, and the fact that the hand did not arbitrarily reach for the barrel is at the level of instincts, now it has already passed, 6 years retired )
    3. Revival
      Revival 20 January 2023 11: 47
      +2
      What does self-affirmation mean in your example?
      You gave an example that they swung at you, that is, as if an attack.
      Consequently, the "nerd" wants to "assert himself" by using a weapon during an attack?
      1. HaByxoDaBHocep
        HaByxoDaBHocep 20 January 2023 19: 27
        -4
        here I meant professional deformation, when you walk with a weapon every day, you get used to it, respectively, you behave with it as it should be and you are well aware of how to use it and how not to use it, and a person who has completed short courses will start to naughty without thinking about the consequences
        1. storm
          storm 21 January 2023 01: 18
          +2
          and a person who has completed short courses will begin to naughty without thinking about the consequences

          So, according to your logic, smooth barrels and injuries should be banned, otherwise their happy owners will start firing to the right - to the left as soon as they leave the weapons store!

          If this is not happening now, then your proposal is just empty speculation ...
  25. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 20 January 2023 06: 58
    +1
    Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
    where is the guarantee that some botanist who bought a barrel for himself will not want to assert himself later with it?

    No one will give you such a guarantee ... just as there is no guarantee that a soldier who has received a machine gun in his hands, angry, will not start shooting at his colleagues. request
    Anyone can be that shooter.
    1. HaByxoDaBHocep
      HaByxoDaBHocep 20 January 2023 07: 06
      +2
      I agree, people are all different and you can’t guess what’s in a person’s head
    2. Konnick
      Konnick 20 January 2023 07: 20
      0
      as well as no guarantees that a soldier who has received a machine gun in his hands, angry, will not start shooting at his colleagues

      Unlike us, American recruits, before they sign a contract and shoot their 6500 rounds of ammunition at the KMB, undergo a two-week psychiatric examination in a hospital, and not like ours, a question from a psychiatrist ... what is the difference between a pole and a tree .... and you fit
    3. storm
      storm 21 January 2023 01: 29
      +1
      Anyone can be such a shooter.


      Remember the recent incident at the training center when at the training ground a "guest worker" from Central Asia began firing machine guns at mobilized guys and only an officer with a weapon was able to neutralize "this mad shooter ....
      And if all the mobilized had had weapons, you see, there would have been fewer victims or not at all, because it’s one thing to shoot an unarmed crowd, and another to immediately get a burst of AK-74 in response ...
  26. Konnick
    Konnick 20 January 2023 07: 17
    -7
    What primitive thoughts in the comments. Even in the US, concealed carrying of weapons requires a special permit. Keep it at home or in the glove compartment of the car, but you can’t carry it in your pocket with you. You can carry at least an AK on your shoulder, but you can’t carry a pistol discreetly. Moreover, all these machine guns, machine guns do not have an automatic fire mode, and when you watch YouTube videos of Americans firing in bursts, these people have special permission, and transferring automatic weapons into the wrong hands is a criminal offense.
  27. 9PA
    9PA 20 January 2023 07: 27
    +9
    With pleasure I would buy myself an FN 5-7, Mauser Hsc, Walter p38, Colt Python, and even a Nagant. By the way, Nagant can be put into circulation
    1. El Barto
      El Barto 21 January 2023 03: 12
      0
      Everyone had it. What do you think they were doing at the shooting range?
      Another confirmation of the thesis that unprepared people could not or did not have time to use weapons.
      True, in that situation they most likely did not have such an opportunity in principle
  28. Kuziming
    Kuziming 20 January 2023 07: 39
    +8
    In order for everyone to be polite, citizens should be required to carry long bladed weapons. And firearms are banned.
  29. strannik1985
    strannik1985 20 January 2023 07: 40
    +9
    On the use of legal CC in general is beyond good and evil. In fact, the owners of rifled weapons rarely use them to commit crimes, not because they are angels, etc., but because in most countries of the world, weapons are fired for bullet casings, to kill from this is to sign a crime.
    It is a pity that this kind of "analytics" is posted on such a popular site.
    1. Arisaka
      Arisaka 20 January 2023 13: 37
      +2
      It is enough to shoot with a lead bullet, as is the case with the .22LR or half-shell. The sleeve will only help if the FMJ is stuck somewhere in the body.
      Moreover, can you give an example where else, besides the Russian Federation or exUSSR, do they shoot weapons and / or insert a pin into the bore? I couldn't google.
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 20 January 2023 15: 25
        +3
        The sleeve will only help if the FMJ is stuck somewhere in the body.

        There are many nuances, as far as I understand, it is difficult to simply track a random bullet in the database, but if there is a circle of suspects, then you can check the weapon with the owners, and there are studies that even allow you to track a smoothbore.
        I couldn't google.

        https://hyperprapor.livejournal.com/687363.html
        But there is a nuance here - the owners of legal firearms are stupidly afraid to use weapons when committing a crime, so the percentage of legal barrels in crime is vanishingly low, and in the USA there are just a lot of unshot barrels.
  30. mongolian9999
    mongolian9999 20 January 2023 07: 49
    +17
    Many letters about everything are missing. And there isn't one. Now the criminal has a trunk. The victim is guaranteed not. Of the 100 planned crimes, the criminal will commit 100. And how much will he decide to commit if the chance of an oncoming barrel is 50/50?
  31. vfwfr
    vfwfr 20 January 2023 08: 19
    -8
    I subscribe to every word of the author of the article.
    From the following:
    Would you like to have a combat short barrel? almost yes.
    Do I need it for self-defense? NO.
    1. Do you need to change the laws and interpretation for self-defense? YES. But. As Razvedos said, our society is not law-abiding (example: all sorts of analyzes, references ..) ...
    2. ""it is necessary to undergo a medical, including psychological, examination.""
    A) And who will conduct it and interpret it properly? Doctor (F). who crosses the road herself as she pleases, because it’s so convenient and it doesn’t matter with a child or not ...
    B) ""A weapon is, first of all, masculine strength and masculine confidence"" This is immediately a disqualification on the path to a license !!!!
    PS sort of like in Germany, sports shooters with pistols can move from home to shooting range with a case with a code, in principle, a cool idea. In our case, when used in a non-shooting gallery or at home, already an article ...
    1. vfwfr
      vfwfr 20 January 2023 08: 26
      +2
      PS
      1. I already have a short barrel, but pneumatics. I've had enough. As soon as the need for sniffing gunpowder arises, I go to the shooting gallery ...
      2. A pistol, like a shotgun, like a carbine, is really a crap. Since I am not a hunter, but having bought a carbine and start shooting at cans in the hunting grounds, there will be problems if I get caught. But what to do if there are no open shooting galleries for these tasks or the price of rent is horsey ??
      And to drive away from 100500 km from a residential area in a field, and if they notice you, it will also be illegal ..
      2.1 With pistols I think + - the same thing.
      1. HaByxoDaBHocep
        HaByxoDaBHocep 20 January 2023 19: 23
        +1
        I am not a hunter either, since the year before last there have been changes to the law on hunting, you can shoot weapons in hunting grounds, so I buy the cheapest ticket for a hare and shoot as much as I like without being afraid of anyone
    2. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 20 January 2023 10: 51
      +4
      Do I need it for self-defense? NO.

      Answer this question for yourself again in 5-6 months, when the Wagnerites begin to return en masse from the NWO.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 20 January 2023 12: 20
        +1
        and the Wagnerites will immediately become bandits?
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 20 January 2023 12: 50
          0
          How can those whom they recruited in the zones, and who never ceased to be bandits, and even gained combat experience, become bandits?
          Yesterday I read an article about a deceased fighter of the Wagner PMC: a citizen has been in prison since 2017, having received more than 20 years for the murder of a woman and her father. He killed for 200 thousand, commissioned by a gang of black realtors who liked their apartment. So who do you think he is? And what would you do after demobilization from the PMC, if you lived to see it?
          1. El Barto
            El Barto 21 January 2023 03: 17
            +1
            For bandits, combat experience is useless. Except in the Sinaloa cartel
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 20 January 2023 13: 15
        +3
        They will go to African countries en masse.
        1. Dwellernet
          Dwellernet 20 January 2023 17: 21
          +3
          And why should they? And who told you this? Maybe they won't?
    3. AB
      AB 20 January 2023 13: 20
      +1
      I support everything except signing under the words of the author of the article)

      I am interested in the short barrel purely from the point of view: I WANT! Well, sometimes shoot from it at a shooting range or at banks.
      I myself also doubt that a short barrel will greatly help me in the event, nedaiboh !, of an attack on my carcass. And there will be only one reason for its low efficiency: I) In order to be able to stand up for yourself in stressful situations with weapons, you need to have remarkable stress resistance so as not to start firing in all directions. I, for one, am no different. Checked. Unfortunately. I have been attacked more than once. Each time, for one reason or another, to no avail. Sometimes I had a knife with me, but the good thing was that the not-so-hot head understood that you couldn’t touch the knife. I'll do things or the attacker is unconscious and you can't scare him with a knife. But it's me.
      And if you conduct a normal examination and training of adequate people ... It sounds like a utopia!)
      ... then it is quite possible to trust people with such weapons.
    4. Ezekiel 25-17
      Ezekiel 25-17 22 January 2023 14: 44
      +2
      The legal practice of the same States suggests that there are fewer crimes in those states where weapons are legalized, or let's say: it's easy to buy and carry it. Our citizens are the same people as the Americans. There will be no problems. If someone does not need a gun, he may not BUY. BUT IT IS NOT FORBIDDEN TO BUY EVERYONE JUST BECAUSE YOU PERSONALLY CONSIDER OUR SYSTEM CORRUPT.
  32. Boris55
    Boris55 20 January 2023 08: 34
    +7
    Quote: A. Staver
    There are no weapons for self-defense. It all depends on who is using it and for what.

    Don't you think the first sentence somehow contradicts the second?

    In essence the question.

    Power on violence should belong to the state and no one else. If the state does not ensure the protection of citizens, then the citizens have a question about self-defense. In such a case, they cannot be denied this right. Otherwise, it will look like the government has taken the side of crime. On the one hand, she does nothing herself, and on the other hand, she does not allow people to do anything ..

    In general, the problem is not in what to have or not to have, but in the ability of the authorities to ensure the legitimate interests of the majority.
  33. Mecheslav
    Mecheslav 20 January 2023 08: 38
    +7
    "It is Switzerland in terms of the level of depression of the population that ranks second (after Norway) in Europe."
    I wonder if they are aware of this? It remains only to sympathize with them
    kg\am
    1. El Barto
      El Barto 21 January 2023 03: 23
      0
      Here is what the Swiss themselves write:

      In 2017, a total of 38 thousand permits for the acquisition and possession of small arms and light weapons were issued in Switzerland.
      In 2012, this figure was only at the level of 25 thousand, that is, there is an increase, and in all cantons, although the situation may look different in different subjects of the federation.
      In Zurich, for example, the growth in the number of permits issued over the past 5 years has amounted to 20%, in Bern - 35%, and in the canton of Basel-City - in general, all 85%....
      Why is there such a noticeable increase in the number of permits issued? According to experts, legislation does not play a role here, rather, The reason for this trend is the growing feeling of anxiety in the population.
      https://www.swissinfo.ch/rus/society/человек-с-ружьём_в-швейцарии-слишком-просто-получить-оружие-/44594312

      So they have certain problems. How else to explain the organization of bomb shelters under almost every private house
  34. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 20 January 2023 08: 38
    0
    The topic of legalizing the short barrel again surfaced on the network.
    Social networks, not the State Duma ... As it surfaced, it will sink to the bottom ..
  35. Konnick
    Konnick 20 January 2023 08: 44
    -3
    Quote from Kuziming
    In order for everyone to be polite, citizens should be required to carry long bladed weapons. And firearms are banned.

    No, sledgehammers are in fashion now drinks
  36. single-n
    single-n 20 January 2023 08: 45
    +16
    Another article in the spirit: "you can't give them anything, and they will break the thing and cut their hands."
    It is Switzerland that, in terms of the level of depression of the population, ranks second (after Norway) in Europe.

    It's strange, but in Norway there are no such liberties with weapons, and she comes first. Maybe it's something else?

    There will come a time when we can safely buy pistols or rifles in the store, but for this we must change. To do this, laws must change. To do this, society itself must change.

    But until then, we won't give you anything. It's like learning to drive without a car. If you get a license, then you can approach the transport, but we won’t give you a license because you don’t know how to drive. For society to change, something needs to change. Instead of sitting and waiting until it evolves into a higher mind. And to begin with, to clearly state in the laws the right to self-defense and its boundaries. So that I could throw any pike perch out of my house. or fuck anyone who climbs to me or my family, and not convulsively think. What is "more profitable" for me - to give everything myself or to serve 5 years while trying to defend myself.
    This reminds me of the fabrications of my commanders in the army. "And let's forbid the soldier to keep the blades in the nightstands and pockets." And we will also take away their knives even in a canteen outfit and let them peel potatoes with SPOONS!! I am not kidding. Real example. And then we are surprised and mumble something about the quality of the army. Can deal with "hazing" and restore order in the unit? No, it needs to work. It's better to ban everything. One fool hung himself on the straps of the OZK. What should be done? Correctly issue an order - cut off all the straps. These are REAL examples. When the news was told that one schoolboy died during the NVP lesson due to a gas mask, we all waited. Maybe they will be taken away .. But somehow the command missed this case. And this is in the army. Where ALL were selected. where CONSTANT monitoring of each other. The stump is clear that with such an approach, responsible people, even in a nightmare, cannot imagine such an abomination as the right to own and use weapons by citizens.
    1. Fat
      Fat 20 January 2023 10: 27
      +3
      Quote: Single-n
      It's strange, but in Norway there are no such liberties with weapons, and she comes first.

      hi
      There is one very interesting place on the world map - Norwegian Longyearbyen. This northernmost city in the world is the largest settlement in Svalbard and the administrative center of a harsh archipelago. Everything northern is located on its territory - an airport, an international university, a museum, a library, and even a special Doomsday Vault. Very strange laws apply here: some it is forbidden to walk without weapons, others do - to die on its territory ...
      1. Adrey
        Adrey 20 January 2023 11: 23
        +2
        Tolstoy (Andrei Borisovich Pestrikov) And you can only leave the city for going out into the countryside with a weapon of not weak caliber and power, you won’t go out with small things - this is the law laughing
      2. Alexey Alekseev_5
        Alexey Alekseev_5 20 January 2023 12: 19
        +6
        I confirm. The bears defeated. But to walk only with an injury or a rocket launcher. On the territory of Barentsburg or the Pyramid, even a knife more than 10 cm is cold steel
      3. El Barto
        El Barto 21 January 2023 03: 29
        +1
        there, if you walk without a weapon, the polar bear will immediately devour you. And so shoot and the people will at least know where to look for the gnawed bones
  37. storm
    storm 20 January 2023 08: 56
    +10
    A person who legally owns a pistol is better prepared for combat than one who does not have this pistol! I wonder why?


    Because a person has completed a course of theoretical and practical training in the possession of self-defense weapons before obtaining permission to purchase.
    It is rare that someone will buy a pistol for 70-100 thousand rubles and will blow off dust particles from it, there will be such, but they are harmless "collectors".
    A normal owner who plans to constantly carry a pistol with him will regularly go to the shooting range, to the shooting range to maintain or improve his practical skills with weapons.
    Using the data on the number of smoothbore and traumatic weapons as an example, I am convinced that the majority of current owners of injuries and a small part of smoothbore gunners will become owners of pistols.
    Ten million units of "short-barrels" is the limit of the Russian market.
    A gun will never hit every house and everyone who wants it ...
  38. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 20 January 2023 09: 07
    +15
    The author of the article cites all the same flawed arguments that the Russian is flawed, shoots each other and thus considers Us Russians unterminers, it is obvious that he writes on the instructions of the clique that wants to betray our Fatherland Russia and surrender to the West, but simply speaking, he denies the right of a LAW-OBIDING CITIZEN to protect his CHILDREN, WIFE, MOTHER, HOMELAND; He is a traitor!!!
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 20 January 2023 10: 45
      +8
      And to assume that a citizen who has never been allowed to defend his life, his loved ones, his property by all means, suddenly turns out to be able to defend the interests of his country, simply because he was dressed in a uniform, and for the first time in his life he was given a weapon in his hands, who have been frightened all their lives before - just stupid and naive.
      1. El Barto
        El Barto 21 January 2023 03: 39
        +1
        In September 2021, the Tver Regional Court sentenced 31-year-old Alexander Zobenkov, a resident of the Kalininsky District, who was accused of a triple murder. As TVTVER.ru previously reported, the man became the central character in the tragedy that occurred in the village of Mikhailovskoye in May last year.

        The man stabbed the son of his neighbor and two of his acquaintances who came to him to sort things out. Uninvited guests behaved aggressively and, according to the wife of the accused, were the first to start a brawl.
        The Tverskoy court acquitted Zobenkov, not seeing the corpus delicti in his actions.
        Russia's Supreme Court upheld the acquittal, confirming that the young man acted in self-defense.
        1. solar
          solar 22 January 2023 21: 43
          +1
          I wonder what the sentence would be if it weren't for the fact that Zobenkova's sister is a police officer?
    2. Alexfly
      Alexfly 20 January 2023 11: 03
      -2
      You have some strange conclusion, very superficially related to the article .. Why do you need to carry a gun in the subway, for example?
  39. Deon59
    Deon59 20 January 2023 09: 10
    +12
    The authorities are afraid of their people without weapons. How many laws have been adopted so that a citizen cannot buy weapons. A ban on short barrels is a protection of officials from the wrath of people.
    1. kot711
      kot711 20 January 2023 10: 41
      +1
      The ban on short barrels is the protection of officials from the anger of people. ,,
      Let's say: you have a gun, will you go with it to an official for a showdown?
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 20 January 2023 13: 18
        +1
        Only a complete psycho will go to a showdown with an official with a weapon.
    2. AB
      AB 20 January 2023 13: 06
      +4
      Your words are a plus in the direction of the author and his opinion.

      Legitimately within the framework of the law, together with the right to acquire, store, etc. No one will give you the right to be shot on the spot without trial and investigation by a negligent official.
  40. Million
    Million 20 January 2023 09: 25
    +1
    Recently, the domestic film "Manly" appeared. The theme of the pistol and not only there was clearly demonstrated.
    I agree with the author.
  41. flint
    flint 20 January 2023 09: 34
    -4
    I absolutely agree with the author on all points. For many years he himself had a barrel in free carry, so he constantly wore it only for the first year, then he constantly lay in a safe, because there was no need for it, and there were countless cases when employees were fired for losing the barrel while drunk, due to negligence. By the way, one more argument against - if now it’s not very easy for a simple gopnik to get a barrel, then with a huge number of short barrels sold to the population, the number of losses will increase sharply and a huge mass of left barrels will be almost within easy reach. And yes, many will give an example about knives, axes, etc. cold, which can also cause great harm, yes, but an ax or a knife cannot kill from a hundred meters, and a bullet fired even by accident or through negligence can.
  42. Igor_Lvovich
    Igor_Lvovich 20 January 2023 09: 41
    +6
    Indeed, why allow the legalization of weapons if you already have them? They don’t know how to use it properly and they are all nervous. But the author who does not have weapons will have opposite reasoning: the people will become kinder and the courts will be fairer.
  43. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 20 January 2023 09: 52
    +6
    There are obviously two things here.

    There is a category of people who need a gun to compensate for their complexes and grievances.

    There is a category that can be subjected to a targeted attack (obscure entrepreneurs, mostly, if apart from crime).

    There are cargo cultists “I want it like in America”.

    There are kurkuli like me who will buy whatever they have at home “just in case and at all” and will never get it out of the safe.

    And the whole problem is that it is especially unclear who how many. There are no statistics. Hence, it is not clear which elements will become more and which will be less.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 20 January 2023 10: 40
      +3
      Well, when selling a barrel, let it be carefully cataloged through a cartridge case, or in other ways, so that any bullet fired can be unambiguously associated with a specific barrel. It is easy to embed a camera in a model of a civilian weapon that starts shooting at the same time as the safety is removed, and the absence of such a record is unequivocally interpreted not in favor of the self-defense shooter. Well, for the theft of weapons to give terms, as for preparing for a murder, so that they were afraid to approach someone else's pistol lying on the street. And then it won’t matter who buys the barrel and for what (the main thing is not to be completely crazy, but they are dangerous with a hammer), it will be much more difficult to use it for criminal purposes than unregistered ones (and for having one to plant for a long time), or in general - auxiliary equipment in the form of bricks and rebar.
  44. Tank destroyerSU-100
    Tank destroyerSU-100 20 January 2023 09: 55
    -1
    About reducing crime. Here, just the opposite is true, the criminal, assuming that the victim may have a weapon, will simply shoot or stab at once, so as not to leave a chance.
    And yet, you don’t hear something that in the USA, where weapons are commonplace, this has a very strong effect on reducing crime, well, there is no dependence that gun ownership generally reduces crime.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 20 January 2023 10: 32
      +2
      Well, read their statistics - one of the highest levels of street crime in Chicago, where carrying weapons on the street is a crime, the largest number of mass shootings - in schools and other institutions where it is forbidden to carry weapons.
    2. Adrey
      Adrey 20 January 2023 11: 29
      +7
      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      About reducing crime. Here, just the opposite is true, the criminal, assuming that the victim may have a weapon, will simply shoot or stab at once, so as not to leave a chance.

      Yes Yes! And instead of a banal gop-stop (you still need to look at the amount of damage), immediately sign for a cheap smartphone serious bodily or wet wassat
  45. ALARI
    ALARI 20 January 2023 10: 08
    +15
    About one more guard got out on guard of our new marvelous bourgeois oligarchic world. The electorate should not demand, but humbly ask for what they thought they wanted to become free.
    1. not the one
      not the one 20 January 2023 10: 50
      +14
      And with arguments it’s tense - Moldovans can, but Russians can’t, they can’t .. It only remains for our officials to broadcast that apparently Moldovans are smart, and those Russians are always fools. A very "plausible" and "logically sound" argument. The rest of the arguments are from the category
      - Yes, why not?
      - Patam what.
      1. flyer
        flyer 20 January 2023 11: 05
        +10
        Among our people, there are many people with a heightened sense of justice. This is a good feeling, but officials are so used to responding to complaints with replies, playing the fool at work and closing the door to citizens that even a water pistol identifies a threat to them.
    2. vovochkarzhevsky
      vovochkarzhevsky 20 January 2023 18: 01
      0
      And what, for this, a short barrel is necessary? What prevents you from straining and acquiring hunting weapons, even rifled ones?
  46. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 20 January 2023 10: 29
    +6
    Yesterday I read an article about a deceased fighter of the Wagner PMC: a citizen has been in prison since 2017, having received more than 20 years for the murder of a woman and her father. He killed for 200 thousand, commissioned by a gang of black realtors who liked their apartment.
    This one died, but how many will survive and return, as if redeemed and rehabilitated, to society? Those who are used to killing in peacetime, and even those who have gone through the school of this non-war. Yes, our cities in the very near future are guaranteed to turn into a branch of hell on Earth - these returning heroes will continue to fight for the "Russian world", and they will write down its enemies and traitors primarily on the principle of owning a car or apartment they like. Or they will consider a woman who dared to refuse the defender of the Fatherland as an agent of the SBU ... And these weapons will be guaranteed. And law enforcement officers ... God forbid that they do not have to defend themselves (those who remember the 90s are unlikely to be very surprised by this thought), and relying on them in a situation of rampant criminals who have weapons and combat experience is simply naive.
    The weapon of a potential victim will not give any guarantee (and for guarantees - this is generally to the Almighty, and even that is doubtful), but at least it will allow not to be an absolutely defenseless victim, it will give a chance to protect themselves and their loved ones, at least to those who are able to decide on it. And what Staver offers is to accept the role of a sheep meekly going to the slaughter, and plaintively bleating at the same time.
    1. not the one
      not the one 20 January 2023 10: 52
      +11
      I absolutely agree with you! Another "protective" opus "hold and not let go" and "no way."
    2. flyer
      flyer 20 January 2023 10: 55
      +7
      With a victory, the surge will be insignificant, within the framework of cockroaches in the head, of individual personalities, but in the event of a result different from victory or even a draw, albeit temporary, the prospects are of course foggy ...
    3. Dwellernet
      Dwellernet 20 January 2023 17: 28
      +4
      Add here the proud peoples who do not have a nationality, but who, in fact, for some reason, are allowed to carry weapons. And keep in mind that this type of activity among these peoples has been cultivated for centuries.
  47. Alex_Nes
    Alex_Nes 20 January 2023 10: 48
    0
    There is an interesting book
    Frolova. The option of legalizing weapons in Russia in the future. "Civilization of the ostrich".
  48. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 20 January 2023 10: 49
    -7
    I support Alexander with "both hands"! Articles "for and against" the legalization of a firearm (short barrel) have repeatedly appeared on VO! At times, even too often ... though, mostly in the "past" ... when the "apologist" of this topic was active in VO! I have always been among the opponents of the slogan: "Civilian firearms (short-barreled) - in the hands of every Russian!" " Unfortunately, we were in the minority, despite the sophisticated intrigues of the mind in search of convincing arguments "contra"! Despite the large number of such convincing arguments, we could not overcome the debulnoe "I want, I want!" majority! The oct of most of the arguments "for" simply went off scale (!), but this did not bother the "Bolsheviks"! Therefore, I will not add anything to Alexander's arguments ... I'm tired of "stopping those who rushed to the open window on the 4th floor"! But I understand and support Alesandra! yes "with both hands"! fellow
    1. nepunamemuk
      nepunamemuk 20 January 2023 14: 19
      -1
      ... tired of "stopping those who rushed to the open window on the 7th floor"!

      tired?
      shoot him in the leg
      don't have a gun?
      it's a pity...
      eat it!
      what about the author???
  49. awdrgy
    awdrgy 20 January 2023 10: 50
    +5
    If we talk about breaking the law, then making or getting weapons is not such a big problem. Therefore, there is nothing here. But yes, protection. As for me, an amateur fisherman, I will say this: you have to travel farther and farther for the fish, and the predator does not sleep. The wild boar is generally divorced in darkness. The gun is hefty, it is inconvenient to carry around with it, especially if it is not a hunter. But the killer revolver is a topic. And calmly and does not interfere. I even read there are those who bring down a bear (well, in FIG, of course), but you can easily take your family with you into the forest. For me, they would allow a revolver in the forest and be happy. Well, someone may have other fears.
    1. flint
      flint 20 January 2023 16: 28
      +5
      We have something on the hunt, a wild boar with a 12-caliber bullet in the heart ran five km until it died, and you want to drive it away with a 9 mm fart? laughing About the bear, I generally keep quiet. Yes, and they won’t come to you if they’re not mad, but a simple rocket launcher will be enough from the rest, a lot of noise, light and run away for tens of kilometers
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 20 January 2023 18: 51
        0
        Yes, no, Dirty Harry seemed to have about 11, besides, there was more than one cartridge. It seems that even a buffalo in Africa was filled up from it. But who knows, maybe it’s such a bad thing that even with such a bullet in the heart the boar will live, and maybe with 20 mm .. Now, what to go with a horn on him or with Samsonov’s knife? And why did you think for nine? Trunks with a bigger "hole" are quite enough for themselves.
        1. flint
          flint 20 January 2023 23: 44
          0
          Well, I just think the 9 mm standard is the most common thing that can be simple, anything more is exclusive and will be much more expensive, and there is no guarantee that it will help. In general, a few shots from a good screw cutter may not help in a bear, then he will die, but during this time the arrow may have time to break, and even about a gun this is not realistic at all. The SP-81 rocket launcher is quite a good thing, 4 caliber of noise and fire is immeasurable, and if it hits at all, the bear can burn
          1. awdrgy
            awdrgy 21 January 2023 07: 43
            +1
            I thought about it. And a rocket launcher and a hunter's signal. The last time I was far from the city - I heard wolves. Still, the revolver is more versatile. Again, they will not be accused of poaching. Here, if we ignore the "fears of ownership from all sides" (and we really have hemorrhoids), there are a lot of pluses. I do not see for myself a more universal and convenient option. Again, for the sake of the safety of the family, you can fork out, but I think that with permission, inexpensive domestic options will appear very quickly. There is nothing to do - it is as simple as the truth. Ammunition, yes, but if it is not for hunting, then there is not much consumption.
            1. El Barto
              El Barto 21 January 2023 10: 51
              +2
              In general, anything can happen. Here is a video - a dude in Canada filled up an elk with a pistol, I didn’t see what he had a Glock or a Zigsauer.
              (The description says Yakutia, but this is a lie, Canada)

      2. El Barto
        El Barto 21 January 2023 10: 43
        0
        In general, there are special revolvers for fishermen / foresters. They are needed to protect against bear-boar-moose. The task is not so much to fill up the beast, but rather to scare it away. They are needed simply so that you don’t carry a gun with you through the forest.
        By the way, this is the only case when I consider the short barrel really justified and useful. But then the forest, and then the city
        In our country, for example, wild boars have bred in unmeasured quantities. Real problem. They dug up the entire forest, not a single whole anthill, roaming around the village in crowds of 15-20 pieces, breaking fences, beds, roadsides dug up, in the evening you can’t go out into the yard - they climb around the house, grunting. And you can't shoot them.

        Here under .44 magnum
        1. awdrgy
          awdrgy 21 January 2023 16: 29
          0
          Handsome. The price tag is probably biting. You can't go wrong with something like this. But if we consider it as a weapon from all sorts of monsters), then this is, as it were, the development of a velodog with a caliber doubled.
          1. El Barto
            El Barto 21 January 2023 18: 44
            0
            not cheap, but the bourgeoisie costs about 600 usd

            https://taurususaguns.com/taurus-revolvers/page/7/
  50. flyer
    flyer 20 January 2023 10: 52
    +12
    Why such a humiliating attitude towards our people? Why can't he be trusted with weapons? The multinational people, the winner, who personifies justice and honor, weapons must be trusted, subject to an increase in weapon culture. And you made them hot-tempered and unbalanced. If you want to express your opinion about the fact that you are against the "armed people", then look at the United States. There are many mentally ill people who drink antidepressants like ascorbic acid, among the former US military, there are many criminals who, during the "establishment of democracy", killed civilians and they are armed.
    1. Hitriy Zhuk
      Hitriy Zhuk 20 January 2023 11: 33
      -2
      Maybe try not to be animals?
      Well, how in the USSR?
      Oh yes, HARD!