What to fly into battle tomorrow?

Soon we will celebrate a year since the beginning of the NWO, which, whatever you call it, is a war, even if some fundamentally see a significant difference in the names. True, the essence of this does not change much, military losses are no different from special operations.

Now we will talk about losses, more precisely, about their compensation. The Russian Aerospace Forces suffer losses during the CBO, and these losses must be replenished.

Unfortunately, the lack of accurate information on losses does not make it possible to speak clearly about the numbers, the Russian Ministry of Defense, of course, does not give figures, but to believe the reports of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in which the same aircraft is sometimes indicated three times - not to respect yourself, but relatively honest experts say that since the beginning of the air defense system, the losses of the airborne forces have amounted to at least 30 aircraft of new models (Su-34, Su-35, Su-30) and about 20 aircraft of old models (Su-24 and Su-25) models.

Lose Aviation in the course of hostilities - this is not something that is normal, but understandable. If aviation conducts active operations, enemy opposition is quite natural. But just as natural should be the work of the military industry, which is obliged to supply new aircraft to replace those destroyed or exhausted.

But with this we are not as good as we would like. The production of aviation equipment remained at the pre-war level and in 2022 the Aerospace Forces received only 33 new aircraft:
- 4 Su-30SM2;
- 10 Su-34M;
- 7 Su-35S;
- 6 Su-57;
- 2 Yak-130;
- 4 Il-76MD-90A.

Frankly not rich, although the increase in the pace of construction of the Su-57 and Il-76MD-90A is somewhat encouraging. Otherwise, of course, it is not close to the historical minimum of 2010, when only 16 aircraft were built for the Aerospace Forces, but we should not forget that now is military time.

Su-57

NskPlanes Photos

Six fighters transferred last year to the Aerospace Forces increased the number of aircraft of this model to 10 units (the 11th, or rather, the first aircraft, the lead fighter of the series was lost as a result of an accident).

All six aircraft manufactured and delivered in 2022 “lit up” at an intermediate landing at the Novosibirsk Tolmachevo airport in May (two) and December (four) 2022, respectively. This, on the one hand, fully confirms the efficiency of the aircraft, and the second point - indicates that these Su-57s were sent to the European part of Russia.

There is information that the first two Su-57s were sent to the 185th Center for Combat Training and Combat Use of Fighter Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces at the Privolzhsky airfield in the Astrakhan region.

Seven more Su-57 aircraft (including four transferred in December 2022) entered the 4th Order of Lenin of the Red Banner Center for Military Testing and Training of Personnel of the Aerospace Forces named after V.P. Chkalov at the airfield in Lipetsk.

Another aircraft entered the first aviation unit of the Russian Aerospace Forces, planned to be re-equipped with these fighters - the 23rd Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 303rd Guards Mixed Aviation Division of the 11th Army of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Eastern Military District at the Dzemgi airfield in Komsomolsk-on - Cupid.

Su-35С

With these aircraft, this is how: in September 2022, three Su-35S, the last made under the 2020 contract, went to the 185th Center for Combat Training and Combat Use of Fighter Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces at the Privolzhsky airfield in the Astrakhan region. They became the first Su-35S aircraft in this Center, allowing to expand the range of training of this center.

Another four Su-35S, which were handed over in December 2022, were aircraft produced under a 2021 contract for the construction of 24 aircraft of this model. There is information that these aircraft also ended up at the disposal of the 185th Center at the Privolzhsky airfield.

In total, under four contracts of the Russian Aerospace Forces since 2009, 108 Su-35S aircraft have been received. It is worth noting that all seven new aircraft did not go to combat units, but to the combat training base for pilots.

Sioux 34M

Ten bombers were manufactured under a 2020 contract for 24 Su-34M aircraft and three batches of 4 units (June), 3 units (November), 3 units (December) were transferred to the Aerospace Forces.

Seven aircraft built in 2022 were sent to the 277th bomber regiment in Khurba, which in theory made it possible to equip the third squadron of the regiment with Su-43M aircraft instead of Su-24M2. However, the losses suffered by the regiment both during combat operations within the framework of the NMD and during flight accidents (a collision of two Su-34s in January 2019 over the Tatar Strait) indicate that the regiment still remains understaffed.

Three more aircraft went to the disposal of the 47th bomber regiment in Voronezh to make up for the losses incurred in the NVO.

Thus, the number of built Su-34s reached 148 units. In August 2022, according to available information, the Russian Defense Ministry signed a contract with OKA for the supply of another 15 Su-34M aircraft.

Su-30MX2

Four Su-30SM2 fighters in November 2022 were transferred to the disposal of the 4th Guards Naval Assault Aviation Regiment of the 34th Composite Aviation Division of the Baltic Aviation fleet in the city of Chernyakhovsk, Kaliningrad region.

The aircraft were built under a new contract signed in August 2020. The fulfillment of this contract indicates the resumption of deliveries of the Su-30SM, which were suspended back in 2018.
The arrival of the Su-30SM2 in the staff of the 4th GvMShAP made it possible to complete the rearmament of the 1st squadron of the regiment and begin the rearmament of the 2nd squadron from the Su-24MR and Su-24M aircraft to the Su-30SM2.

At the end of 2022, the number of Su-30SM and Su-30SM2 in the Russian Aerospace Forces amounted to 124 units, including 30 aircraft in Naval Aviation.

Yak-130

Combat training aircraft, which are the main training aircraft in the country's military universities, were built according to a contract dated August 2020 for 25 aircraft. So far, only 4 aircraft have been received under this contract, 2 in 2021 and 2 in 2022.

In total, the Ministry of Defense received 120 Yak-130 aircraft.

IL-76MD-90A

From April to December 2022, Aviastar PJSC in Ulyanovsk handed over five newly built Il-76MD-90A aircraft to the Russian Ministry of Defense at once. This is actually a production record for Ulyanovsk aircraft manufacturers.

All aircraft became part of the 235th military transport regiment based in Ulyanovsk. In fact, the 235th regiment is armed with 14 Il-76MD-90A aircraft, and Aviastar built 18 aircraft in total. Under the contract of 2012, 13 aircraft, the rest - under the contract of 2021 for the construction of another 14 aircraft.

What can be said about the prospects for increasing the construction of aircraft? From the above data, it is obvious that the new aircraft went according to the order for the acquisition of combat training centers, and not for line units. And planes will have to be sent there, since the Aerospace Forces is and will continue to suffer losses.

Some experts say that in 2023 Russian aircraft factories can provide the Aerospace Forces with another 7-8 Su-57s, up to 12 Su-34Ms, up to 10 Su-30SM2s, and up to 12 Yak-130s. In addition, 1-2 Tu-160M ​​bombers produced from the Soviet backlog can be handed over. Transport aviation can receive up to 4 Il-76MD-90A aircraft and 1 Il-78M-90A flying tanker.

Many? If the situation with the work of Ukrainian air defense is not resolved, then no, not much. This, perhaps, will not even be enough to compensate for normal losses and natural decline in the development of the aircraft's service life.

Is it possible to somehow increase the production of aircraft? Many experts believe that yes, you can. Through exports.

It is no secret that the export operations of the Russian military industry are not going through the best of times. Deliveries of combat aircraft from Russia may have been updated historical minimum. This is due, among other things, to the sanctions pressure of the United States and its allies, as well as the closure of information on export transactions, which does not allow for a qualitative analysis.

However, it became known that 2 Su-30SME aircraft were built for export according to the contract for Myanmar. In total, Myanmar ordered 6 aircraft, these are the first two.

6 Yak-130 aircraft were delivered to Vietnam. Vietnam has ordered 12 Yak-130s, with the first 6 delivered in 2021. With the delivery of the second six, the contract is closed.

The contract for the supply of 14 Su-30MKI/Su-30MKA aircraft for Algeria continued. This is under an additional contract, in addition to the general conditions. In 2021, the first 2 aircraft were delivered, there was no information about the transfer of the Su-30MKA in 2022.

Most interesting is the deferred contract with Egypt for the supply of 35 Su-30 fighters. All aircraft were built back in 2020-2021, but something went wrong with the contract. Perhaps the fault of CAATSA - Countering America's Opponents through Sanctions, "An act to counter America's opponents through sanctions." This US federal law, passed in July 2017 under the Trump administration, aims to provide the United States with the legal tools to impose sanctions against "the destabilizing activities of the Iranian, Russian, and North Korean regimes."

There, in the document, there is paragraph 231, which allows the imposition of sanctions on countries that have bought weapon in Russia without the permission of the United States represented by the President or Congress. Considering that Egypt is a participant in the Camp David arms deal, it is very doubtful that Su-35s will fly to this country.

Meanwhile, 30 aircraft have already been manufactured and are stored on the territory of KnAAPO and in Zhukovsky. In the picture from the Su-57, these Su-35s, which are located on the territory of the plant, are clearly visible.

Now there has been information that Iran is now laying claim to the Egyptian Su-35s.

Of course, it is quite possible that the Su-35, against the background of the fact that the Su-35S are already going to the VSK, can be given to our strategic partner, although there is an opinion that the Russian Aerospace Forces would find a case for 30 brand new aircraft.

And given the broken contract with Indonesia, the reserved capacity for the production of machines for export can be used to produce aircraft for the Aerospace Forces.

CBO, which is approaching its first anniversary, will require a lot more equipment. Especially as expensive as aviation. And here the balance between work for export and aircraft for the Aerospace Forces is very important. Export is useful both financially and politically, but aircraft for the Russian Aerospace Forces will be needed tomorrow. And as you can see from the delivery figures, today is not the time to produce dozens of aircraft.

If the Aerospace Forces really face the threat of a shortage of aircraft, it makes sense to abandon external contracts and devote all their efforts to replenishing the ranks of the Russian Aerospace Forces. With all available forces for this.

Comments

[Alien From]

Everything would be fine, but where is the money, Zin! On the form of the whole world we collect ......

[Proxima]

In terms of the production of combat aircraft, Russia confidently occupies second place in the world, after the United States, ahead of China, France ... Our country is not only obliged to significantly increase their output, it may well do so. Thanks to the Soviet Union for that powerful technological backlog, which they did not have time to "optimize" to the end.

[svoroponov]

The main capacities and lines for the production of new aircraft were built after the collapse of the USSR. So there was nothing to do with it. Many capacities and enterprises for the production of aircraft components and equipment remained abroad. A lot had to be built in a new way. Yes, and now a lot is being built and expanded. It's just that it is not widely advertised. I know that one copy of the new technology about which they write that it is supposed to be manufactured, not only has it been manufactured, tested, but its certification for the production of a small series is already underway, therefore the line for its production is ready, as are the subcontractors.
Or they write that the Poseidon robot torpedo is starting to test.
But it turned out that the tests had passed and several Syrian torpedoes had already been built for installation on the recently commissioned Belgorod submarine.
,, They cry ,, there are some that in Russia they deal with seams, only now the nomenclature for conducting hostilities is expanding and even lines for their production have been built and are working. In addition, devices that these "experts" were not aware of at all begin to participate in hostilities. So do not cry, experts, that everything is bad and we will all die, everything already exists or will be, taking into account the conduct of hostilities and gaining experience in destroying enemy aircraft.

[Andy_nsk]

The main facilities and lines for the production of new aircraft were built after the collapse of the USSR

Why are you, dear, minus a person? Disagree - write rebuttals. For example, I can confirm that at the Novosibirsk Aircraft Plant (where the Su-34 is produced) the machines and equipment are new, and only people who have not seen modern production in their eyes can think that modern "drying" can be done on machines half a century ago. In thirty or forty years, such backlashes will appear on the machines that you can forget about accuracy, and they are now working in the manufacture of complex parts on CNC machining centers, and the progress in this matter over the past 30 ... 40 years is simply huge!

[Vrotkompot]

Building a factory from scratch and upgrading an existing one are two very different things.

[Skeptic3]

Absolutely agree. Equipping modern production with equipment is much more difficult than putting up concrete boxes for workshops.

[Plover]

What is the manufacturer of these machines? If imported, then most likely the equipment and maintenance should also be imported. The software that is necessary for modern machines is also imported. And in connection with the sanctions, it will not be possible to expand simply by purchasing new machines and integrating them into existing ones. processes. Therefore, most likely there is some limit to increasing labor productivity, which, with all the desire and availability of funds, it will not work out in the medium term. I don’t know how the production facilities were designed, but something tells me that this was done on the basis of a single and small-scale production.

[ch28k38]

And what, the manufacture of aircraft takes place according to mass production technologies, on a conveyor, like a Zhiguli?

[Plover]

Of course, the "series" for the aircraft is different from the "series" at AvtoVAZ. Actually, like a series of "Zhiguli" from a series of forks. Serial production of aircraft can be seen at Airbus, Boeing. Military - the same Americans or Chinese. How many ships do they make per year? For such a volume of production, other machines and organization of production are needed than with small-scale or piece production. Simple scaling is not enough here, unfortunately.

[Dimax-nemo]

We did not have orders for more than small-scale production. Russian machines in most cases are assembled, they are not much different from imported ones. They can "save" on the CNC, put the Russian one. But they also buy boards and other things. You can program all this on Russian software. But when you get to the really weird stuff like impellers, you'll realize that we're at least a few years behind in inventing these bikes, if not 10 years. For a long time it makes no sense to write such software, relying only on the local market.

[Lan28]

Andrey, can you clarify on what (country and approximate year of production) machines are being made now?

[avg]

Quote: Lan28

Andrey, can you clarify on what (country and approximate year of production) machines are being made now?

And also the key to the apartment and the code to the entrance.

[Aag]

Quote: svoroponov

The main capacities and lines for the production of new aircraft were built after the collapse of the USSR. So there was nothing to do with it. Many capacities and enterprises for the production of aircraft components and equipment remained abroad. A lot had to be built in a new way. Yes, and now a lot is being built and expanded. It's just that it is not widely advertised. I know that one copy of the new technology about which they write that it is supposed to be manufactured, not only has it been manufactured, tested, but its certification for the production of a small series is already underway, therefore the line for its production is ready, as are the subcontractors.
Or they write that the Poseidon robot torpedo is starting to test.
But it turned out that the tests had passed and several Syrian torpedoes had already been built for installation on the recently commissioned Belgorod submarine.
,, They cry ,, there are some that in Russia they deal with seams, only now the nomenclature for conducting hostilities is expanding and even lines for their production have been built and are working. In addition, devices that these "experts" were not aware of at all begin to participate in hostilities. So do not cry, experts, that everything is bad and we will all die, everything already exists or will be, taking into account the conduct of hostilities and gaining experience in destroying enemy aircraft.

"Basic" - because there are no others left.
"Basic" - with such a scale of production, and without the possibility of a serious increase?
"Bound" here is very much to do with it.
Not to mention how they scattered personnel, - I repeatedly witnessed how metal-cutting machines (sometimes unique, for their time, rotted in the backyards of privatized bases, workshops ... and were sold at the price of Chermetov scrap ... to the delight of the new "Owners" ...).
... And, excuse me, - "your" joys about new productions ... They don't come. The level of the settlement village council in the USSR.

[Alex2711]

There is a big problem with personnel, but as long as they are still there, just a specialist will not go to work at the plant for such a salary.

[vlad106]

Quote: svoroponov

The main capacities and lines for the production of new aircraft were built after the collapse of the USSR. So there was nothing to do with it.

"What will you fly into battle tomorrow?"

On a broken superjet. Which has more than half of the components of foreign production!

[Filosoff]

To listen to you, everything is just wonderful. But events say otherwise...

[Ru_Na]

One more question, but who will fly on the new planes?! There was a shortage of military pilots even before the SVO, and with its onset, the number of experienced pilots, due to losses in personnel, became smaller.

[Machito]

The author did not mention anything about AWACS, EW and UAV aircraft. In general, the situation with aviation is critical. Prospects are foggy. Soviet productions are lost. Personnel and flight and production lost.
As always, no one is to blame. It happened. By itself.
Peaceful sky to us.

[svoroponov]

And what is wrong? The discovery of what the Ukrainians use does not imply the use of AWACS aircraft widely. For this, there are enough different radars. After all, our enemy planes are tracking everything over Ukraine and in the west. Drones spot. Make radar fields denser. The problem is not in detection, but in defeat. Not everywhere so far it has been possible to cover the points of entry of any rubbish into the territory of Russia with installations of air defense systems. But this is being done. Thanks to the fighting and the enemy's attacks on us, all the bottlenecks are revealed. And this is good as long as the enemy is weak in terms of striking means in this regard.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: svoroponov

The discovery of what the Ukrainians use does not imply the use of AWACS aircraft widely.

Just the opposite. The Ukrainian Air Force actively uses low and extremely low altitudes, the detection of targets at which for ground-based radars at ranges of more than 50 km (this is if with a tower) is difficult.
To intercept such targets, you need to look beyond the radio horizon of ground systems (because without early detection, the air defense system may not have time to react). And only an AWACS aircraft can do this. Well, or a helicopter.

[Aag]

Quote: svoroponov

And what is wrong? The discovery of what the Ukrainians use does not imply the use of AWACS aircraft widely. For this, there are enough different radars. After all, our enemy planes are tracking everything over Ukraine and in the west. Drones spot. Make radar fields denser. The problem is not in detection, but in defeat. Not everywhere so far it has been possible to cover the points of entry of any rubbish into the territory of Russia with installations of air defense systems. But this is being done. Thanks to the fighting and the enemy's attacks on us, all the bottlenecks are revealed. And this is good as long as the enemy is weak in terms of striking means in this regard.

Hmm... What reality are you broadcasting from?
AWACS ... Yes, according to any thesis in your comment, there are a lot of objections!
However, sorry, below Comrade. Alexey RA answered you with arguments ...

[vvn_vl]

a cadre named Manturov can only trade in auruses. and some kind of military aviation is not for trade

[16112014nk]

Quote from: vvn_vl

frame by the name of Manturov

It is a pest and a saboteur. Together with Khristenko - Golikova's husband - they destroyed the USSR aviation industry. And it continues to this day. Challenges the president during a meeting, and the president gives him another month of doing nothing, instead of sending him to the logging site.

[Aag]

Quote: 16112014nk

Quote from: vvn_vl

frame by the name of Manturov

It is a pest and a saboteur. Together with Khristenko - Golikova's husband - they destroyed the USSR aviation industry. And it continues to this day. Challenges the president during a meeting, and the president gives him another month of doing nothing, instead of sending him to the logging site.

Ouch! It seems that Golikova (Madame Arbidol) has been undeservedly forgotten! Covid year only reminded her of her past "merits" ...

[alexmach]

The author did not mention anything about AWACS, EW and UAV aircraft

The "author" is not at all to blame. The bmpd blog is to blame, from where the author licked 90% of the article :).

[VB]

Bravo! Archi important question - pilots !!! Taburetkin put the schools under the knife, without the permission of the supreme it is impossible, and now it is necessary to restore them in the places where they were. To return teachers from retirement and pensions, people who serve, urgently will go!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: VB

Bravo! Archi important question - pilots !!! Taburetkin put the schools under the knife, without the permission of the supreme it is impossible, and now it is necessary to restore them in the places where they were. To return teachers from retirement and pensions, people who serve, urgently will go!

Who will go into military pilots if the level of physical health in any nation of the world in this generation is an order of magnitude lower than it was 40 years ago?
And you need to understand that no more than 5% of pilots of the 20th generation can fly on the 4th generation.
And to know that civil aviation pays much more ...
And know that you won't be beaten...
And to know that almost 1 million young guys dumped from the country.
And another million hid in dachas and villages.
So who will go to military pilots with such a moral situation in the country?

[Vladimir80]

Money can be printed, but where to get components and assembly specialists - that's the question!

[Goto]

Buy machines and make components. And don't skimp on staff.

[Vladimir80]

Well, no one will sell us the machines, and "not saving on personnel" is generally beyond the bounds ... Then there will be nothing left for effective managers and patriotic directors !!!

[single-n]

Sense of non-economy now. It is impossible, as in a joke: "9 women and childbirth in a month." Personnel are prepared for decades. And in our country, herds of young specialists have been leaving the country for decades. Or went to trade. Remember those "progress" faucets with cashier-level salaries in the top five?

[sgrabik]

And why be surprised if from the time of the liberal 90s to the present day, lawyers, economists, bankers and managers of all stripes have always been at the forefront of prestige, and engineering and technical specialties have been in our most recent roles, with With such a policy of the government and the attitude towards these urgently needed specialties, it is difficult to expect anything else now, it takes years to train highly qualified specialists, investing all the necessary forces and means in the training program, without saving on funds.

[Alex_mech]

Nothing to be surprised, yes. Surprisingly, nothing will change in the future. People do not change, they will study where it is easier and work where they pay more. Engineers and scientists will strive to work for NASA and Boeing, and not for Roscosmos and Sukhoi, such is the nature of man. It is managers who need to create conditions for talented engineers and workers to want to connect their lives with aviation. What about oini? And everything goes according to plan

[Rome]

Where to buy machines? Now this is a problem personnel in Russia during the day with fire cannot be found, they need to be prepared!
I'm more interested in the question: the APU is actively using Mig29 when launching Kharma, we also have enough Mig29, why is it not upgraded into a shock modification? This is a front-line machine, it would be quite possible for them to fly with bombs instead of the Su30, and they would overlap with the X35 and Khibiny.

[Dimax-nemo]

Because Rostec actually does not want to make the MiG-35 and is not going to, the factories in Moscow that are needed for this take up too much space. Accordingly, the VKS do not see prospects after that in the car (including in the 29th). Our armed forces receive basically what sells well over the hill. Su is easier to sell, they have almost no competition.

[K-36]

SW. Vadim (Eroma), are you talking about those Khibiny who de-energized the destroyer "Donald Cook" from the Su-24 and "forced most of the crew to write a letter of resignation"?
It only remains for me to congratulate you on joining the Khibinshchikov sect, invented by a schoolboy and throwing this nonsense on the Internet in order to see who is hiding this nonsense ...
Sadly, all THIS, alas - you are not the first.

[Rome]

Khibiny is a means of electronic warfare that interferes in which the drummer hides, I don’t believe in fairy tales about jamming Aegis

[Dimax-nemo]

He actually did not write anything about Donald Cook.

[Alien From]

Because, it is not interesting to interested people, what are you talking about,!!!!! Now, if we could develop it from scratch, and even admit it soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom to admit this to be futile, they`ve been doing it this way and they feel great about it!

[Alex_mech]

I can assume that there is nothing to modernize, it is already too late for their "raise from the grass" gliders are not subject to restoration. In general, it would be possible to say goodbye to MiGs as aircraft manufacturers a long time ago

[VB]

Who will work on the machines? The vocational education system needs to be revived urgently, but you can buy machine tools, the bourgeois will hang himself for money. And you can deliver it by double bass, I won’t specify. Smart is enough. Don't care about the whole world. "In the war, as in the war."

[Mikhail Drabkin]

to throw all their forces into replenishing the ranks of the VSK RF. With all available forces for this.

—- This is the first real war of modern capitalist Russia. For 30 years, two generations of laws living in space have grown up, the basis of which is not state but personal interest. And not living by “it is necessary - then we will do it”, but by “time is money”.

—- The capitalist economy loses in mobilization efficiency, the command-administrative economy. It is not a fact that capitalism, living according to the laws of peacetime, will throw all its forces into the needs of the state. This is proved by surreal reasoning, during the war, about the need to export weapons and military equipment !!!

—-I do not see the prerequisites for a mobilization economy as a component of a people's war.

[sgrabik]

It is necessary to change this system, the NWO has clearly shown that the current capitalist system is rotten through and through, it is not capable and has no future, everyone clearly saw the true face of the "patriots" of Russia who pulled off abroad, and the vast majority of these are oligarchs and the so-called rich citizens who were afraid lose their assets and super incomes, they think that by betraying their homeland they will be able to live peacefully and comfortably in the West, but they are mistaken, they will definitely not be given such an opportunity there, but here no one needs these traitors anymore.

[Jonny_Su]

Brad write. There are plenty of examples when significantly more capitalist countries mobilized and either repelled aggression (see WB in WW2) or attacked (USA there and then everywhere).

[sgrabik]

It’s just you who are writing ridiculous unreasoned nonsense, I just wrote that this whole capitalist system and market economy have not taken root and do not work properly, what does the UK and the USA have to do with it in this case, we are not talking about them here speech.

[Alien From]

They are not at all interested in all this. Crocodile tears are stored there for other places.

[Alex_mech]

Thousands of "king's guards" will not let you change the system, unless of course you are serious, and not just write in the comments.

[Alex_mech]

And how did the US capitalist economy perform during World War II? I think she mobilized very well. The Ford plant produced B-24 bombers.

[Qas]

Yes, there is enough money in the country. The only thing is a lot of sweaty palms counting them. This question should be addressed to the GDP. He is not responsible for anything in the country, nor is his entourage. All are inviolable and beyond control.

[gsev]

Quote: Alien From

Everything would be fine, but where is the money, Zin! On the form of the whole world we collect ......

Russia has a wild budget surplus. What is the point in time of war to invest money from sales abroad in a jug? Stalin issued loans during industrialization and war. If I were Putin, I would force the shareholders of Gazprom and Sberbank to invest in a war loan instead of paying astronomical dividends.

[Foul skeptic]

Russia has a wild budget surplus.

Even if it were (and it is not), it would still be eaten up by the initially deficit budget of 2023.

[Uno]

Seriously? Your information is a bit outdated :)

Russian budget surplus in January-October amounted to 128,4 billion rubles

According to the unified portal of the budget system, as of January 10, 2023, the total federal budget revenues in 2022 amounted to 27,77 trillion rubles, expenses - 31,11 trillion rubles, deficit - 3,35 trillion rubles

[ch28k38]

In the nominative case, it’s not a loan, but a loan, and what, to glue the planes of the planes with money. I recognize and respect the right of everyone to their opinion, only 90% of writers know as much about production as they do about volcanoes on Venus.

[Alex_mech]

Well, you are not in the place of GDP, so you are more likely to pay everything out of your own pocket, and not the shareholders of Gazprom and Sberbank

[PROXOR]

Here the question is much more acute. The aircraft of the line of contact remains the Su-25 Grach. It is logical to eventually replace this machine with a UAV. But there is none, and the rooks are working out their resource. Here is the question. What will keep our fighters above the line?

[PavelT]

Judging by the famous video of the battle near Disputable in September (see the Colonelcassad blog: https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7989574.html), even modern Su-34 bombers are used stupidly as attack aircraft, filling up areas with uncontrolled "cast iron" from low altitudes ( ODAB - video at around 11:35), trying not to fly into the depths of the orders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine further than 3-4 km!

From the point of view of maintaining aircraft and pilots in service, this may be true. But from the point of view of the effectiveness of supporting their infantry, this is debatable. From the point of view of destroying the rear and transport network of the enemy, this is generally a waste of the Su-34 resource as a normal operational bomber ...

[yuriy55]

Quote: Alien From

Everything would be fine, but where is the money, Zin! On the form of the whole world we collect ...

Zina does not want to increase personal income tax on the rich and impose a tax on the export of capital.
How and where did $2022 billion leave the country in 200?!

According to the forecast of the Central Bank, the outflow of capital from Russia in 2022 will amount to a record $243 billion

Let's finally shoot these enemies in the head on Red Square!!!
Who do we ask other than the president?!
Where are these military bonds, when the money from salaries is higher (let's say 10 minimum wages) are issued by military loan bonds with maturity in 2050 (for example, as a return of savings under the law of 1996, postponed to 2024).
Why such injustice?! Some eat their snouts (!!!), but the country does not have enough money for the army ...
Let's think how does it work? The Central Bank, headed by Nabiullina, and more than three hundred banks are standing still, but the budget is not being drawn up ...

[km-21]

Quote: Alien From

Alien From (Alien From)
Everything would be fine, but where is the money, Zin! On the form of the whole world we collect ......

And why do we continue to measure money? Our ancestors during the war worked for bread cards. And nothing, somehow survived the war and defeated fascism. Today, the fate of the Motherland is at stake again. And it would be nice for everyone to understand that there is nothing to show off like in peacetime. It is possible and necessary to cut salaries and sacrifice at least part of the wealth for the front and for victory. It won't disappear from us. And if we balk and refuse to build airplanes, then we will eat grief to the very tonsils.

[Alex_mech]

Don't you understand that money is just a measure of labor? If a weapon is expensive, it means that it is complex and time-consuming.

[AG-76]

And the oligarchs have money. And they are in no hurry to finance their army ...

[svp67]

It is a pity that there is still no news about "tomorrow" of our VSK. There are no reports of promising and experienced machines. I would very much not like to think that from the category of "experienced", they moved into "unpromising"

[Vladimir80]

"not up to fat - I would live", refusal to use tiao will eventually lead to even greater sacrifices on our part, but they decided to unleash a war, but they are not capable of more

[kot423]

Quote: Vladimir80

refusal to use tiao will eventually lead to even greater sacrifices on our part, but

Do you really not understand what kind of nonsense you write ??? I have relatives in Donetsk, Kyiv, Nezhin, Berdyansk (although I myself was born and raised in Kaluga from 1970 to 1990, then Moscow until 2008, then again Kaluga "I don’t invest years of service, although they were in Kozelsk" - everyone is set to connect with Russia, but due to circumstances they can’t even bark (they’ll just kill the whole family). Will you cleanse from infection? Are you our militant? Or don’t give a shit for you - the whole world is in dust, but you are on a white horse?

[Vladimir80]

Or don't give a shit for you - the whole world is in dust, but you are fucking on a white horse

and your ideology is to wait it out, and then go to Europe with relatives to "panovat"?

[Plover]

And how will tactical nuclear weapons help? Scary? What if they don't get scared? The use of tactical nuclear weapons can still be somehow justified when there is a massive offensive in general across all fleets, and tactical nuclear weapons are used to completely destroy all life (including civilians) in fortifications. areas. And even that is fraught with us too - it’s not clear where the wind will blow and the radiation will carry.

[Vladimir80]

Scary? What if they don't get scared?

if they are not scared - then you have to give up, if you get into a fight in holey trousers and with a baton behind your back - you have to be ready to hit with a baton, otherwise you first had to go to the "rocking chair" to train

[Ivan_Petrov]

By "fixing" the logistics along the western border of Ukraine with special equipment, both the supply of weapons and military equipment and Polish attempts would be excluded, and the "Western partners" would be sobered up. And "ours" in the west of Ukraine at least. There, even in the seventies, one could run into a knife for the Russian language.

[Keer]

Use tactical nuclear weapons on bridges and tunnels in memory, and not in the Donbass. Well, this is the base. Defeat enemy supply lines.
Well, this is provided that the goal of the NWO is to defeat enemy troops, and not to build business with partners. If this is a business then
when you can merge everyone, from time to time under the "guarantees of friends." Moreover, you, as it were, though a pesedent, but "have nothing to do with it at all"

[Ivan_Petrov]

Use tactical nuclear weapons on bridges and tunnels in memory, and not in the Donbass. Well, this is the base. Defeat enemy supply lines.

The minus ones, apparently, are sitting in the trenches with an indomitable determination to endlessly destroy the weapons and military equipment supplied to Ukraine and mercenaries.
It's good to be "humane" and "rational" at the expense of others.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Plover

And how will tactical nuclear weapons help? Scary? What if they don't get scared?

And it would help, and it would frighten so much that they shaved off everything underneath. Artillery ammunition in a nuclear version corresponded in terms of power to 0,1 Kt-1Kt (or 100 - 1000 tons of TNT) ...
But here's the thing:

According to official figures, by 2000, Russia had withdrawn from service and dismantled all artillery nuclear munitions.

Modern Russian self-propelled artillery 152 mm 2S19 "Msta-S", capable of firing 3BV3 nuclear weapons with a power of 1 Kt

[sgrabik]

TNW can and should be used only against our most "sworn Western partners" against Ukraine, this is out of the question, so if Poland twitches and seriously decides to fight against us, then destroying it with the help of TNW will be completely justified and instructive for many others, let all the other Westerners look what will happen to them if they really decide to go to war against us.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vladimir80

refusal to use tyao will eventually lead to even greater casualties on our part, but they decided to unleash a war, but they are not capable of more

Either idiots or paid provocateurs are calling for a nuclear strike on the outskirts. Because there are no goals!
Name the target on the edge for a nuclear strike? Come on, which city?

[Vladimir80]

Name the target on the edge to hit

- junction railway station, entrances to bridges across the Dnieper (this is, for example, at the philistine level)
- in fact, we are now conducting our own according to the scenario prescribed by the United States (CIA), the ending of which is natural

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vladimir80

- junction railway station, entrances to bridges across the Dnieper (this is, for example, at the philistine level)

It's ALL near the cities. What cities do you propose to cover with nuclear weapons? Or another coco?

[Vladimir80]

What cities do you propose to cover with nuclear weapons

You are a master at manipulating and provoking!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vladimir80

You are a master at manipulating and provoking!

Are you broadcasting something about a nuclear strike on the margins, but as soon as the question was asked about a SPECIFIC target, what do we see?

Quote: Vladimir80

You are a master at manipulating and provoking!

That's all...

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Either idiots or paid provocateurs are calling for a nuclear strike on the outskirts. Because there are no goals!

[Vladimir80]

Because there are no goals!

maybe you are right, and the goals to win for those who started a strange vo. no, but there is a goal to measure strength, make loud statements and lose in a fair fight according to the rules written by "gentlemen" from the usa and wb

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vladimir80

maybe you are right, and the goals to win for those who started a strange vo. No

No need for lies, I didn’t write anything about the goals of those who started the NMD, I wrote about the hostile idiocy of Russia calling for a strike (s) of nuclear weapons on missing targets on the outskirts.
You are a liar and a provocateur.

[Plover]

In the philistine-sofa view, tactical nuclear weapons are such a "caliber", only more powerful. It hits exactly the same, only harder. And if you "bang" a couple of times, then everyone there will be frightened and raise their paws. Alas, but...

[Vasilich2217]

Lviv? In Russia, 12-15 people will worry about this. Maximum 17

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vasilich2217

Lviv? In Russia, 12-15 people will worry about this. Maximum 17

What is the military or economic importance of Lviv, which cannot even be called a transport hub? Or is the goal the destruction of a hostile, but peaceful population?
All targets on the outskirts are quite suitable for defeat by conventional means - tunnels and bridges with Iskanders or Daggers (along the supports), the rest is different KR.

[Alex_mech]

tunnels and bridges with "Iskanders" or "Daggers" (along the supports)

Are you worried that you will hit the support with a dagger / iskander or at least nearby? Do you know how many such missiles there are and how many of them are needed to destroy at least one bridge?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from: Alex_mech

Are you worried that you will hit the support with a dagger / iskander or at least nearby?

With the stated accuracy - I'm sure. Do you know what size base?

Quote from: Alex_mech

Do you know how many such missiles there are and how many of them are needed to destroy at least one bridge?

To disable the bridge, it is enough to destroy one support - one or two hits. And what do you know about it? More accurately, imagine.

[Barberry25]

this is just good, let's in fact, VKS needs machines that are already being produced, not projectiles. Now there is enough current nomenclature, The maximum that is required is to develop this PAK YES and, based on its results, make a decision on the Tu-22m3m. For VKS, the nomenclature of ammunition is more important - VKS needs planning KABs with a range of at least 50-70 km

[svp67]

Quote: Barberry25

Now the current nomenclature is enough

No, it's not enough. We really need light and super-heavy transport aircraft, OWN and they are not available. Light, heavy and super-heavy transport helicopters are also needed ... but they are not.

[kot423]

Quote: svp67

No, it's not enough. We really need light and super-heavy transport aircraft, OWN and they are not available. Light, heavy and super-heavy transport helicopters are also needed ... but they are not.

AND? Your suggestions? Or are you not aware that for both transport workers and helicopters, at least 30% of components were purchased abroad (as well as dviglo for ships). And the development / launch / adjustment of their production lines is an unrealistic loot. We agree to stop financing social services. projects for them? Not? Then your comment is nothing more than whining, which is already enough in this thread ...

[Barberry25]

and since when did the mi-26 cease to be a super-heavy transport aircraft? For transport aircraft, you need more IL-76 and you will be happy .. Light sides are convenient in terms of logistics, but they are not critical machines .. But the fact that we have modern planes throw ordinary cast iron at ultra-low altitudes, instead of dropping KABs from safe distances, this is already a problem

[Barberry25]

By the way. The MO did not refuse the light IL-112 and the heavy Elephant. We are talking about new projectors, which are now not in the stump, not in the deck are unnecessary

[sgrabik]

On the whole, I agree, but given the current difficult situation, it is simply necessary to start systematically and constantly increase the production of military aircraft necessary for our Aerospace Forces, you need to forget about export deliveries until the end of hostilities, only a madman will at the moment think about deliveries abroad so urgently needed for our Aircraft Aerospace Forces, all aircraft factories and allied factories need to be transferred to a round-the-clock mode of operation without days off and holidays, it is urgent to raise labor productivity at all military-industrial complex enterprises.

[Consultant]

Quote: sgrabik

all aircraft factories and allied factories should be transferred to a round-the-clock mode of operation without days off and holidays

As soon as you find a sufficient number of specialists, you can transfer factories to 4 shifts "without days off and holidays." Otherwise, the release plan may not only not increase, but even fail.
As I understand it, the proponents of such proposals did not work at night in life, especially in a responsible high-precision production?

[Comrade]

to believe the reports of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in which the same aircraft is sometimes indicated three times - do not respect yourself

So they have only one "ghost of Kyiv" fifty planes shot down.

relatively honest experts say that the losses of the Aerospace Forces since the beginning of the NMD amounted to at least 30 aircraft of new models (Su-34, Su-35, Su-30)

It is doubtful that these figures can be safely divided by three to five times.
The following is stated on oryx:
Su-30 - 11 units
Su-34 - 18 units
Su-35 - 1 unit.
Total thirty cars.
Everything seems to be solid, however, if you are not too lazy and look at the "evidence" presented by the site, then vague doubts begin to torment you.
Here, for example, is a screenshot of a video showing a supposedly falling Su-34.

And this level of "evidence" is the majority there.
Of course, some plane is falling, but how was it possible to identify its nationality and model from this video? Here, as they say, no comment.
I remembered a video of how the Ukrainians shot down their own plane, but it turned out later when they went and looked at the wreckage. In the meantime, he was falling, video was being filmed, and voice-overs were swearing and jubilant about the downed "Moskal" fighter.

By the way, according to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as of January 6, Ukrainian Munchausens shot down 272 Russian aircraft and helicopter.

[single-n]

Reports of victories from both sides must be divided by a certain coefficient. In any case, there are losses. And judging by the fact that our aviation often hits NARs from cobbling. They are afraid of the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. So there is a replenishment problem. Maybe it would be worth actively kicking the allies in terms of supplies. In the end, it’s stupid to try to butt heads with the military-industrial complex of a dozen countries alone.

[alexmach]

And judging by the fact that our aviation often hits NARs from cobra

To be honest, in this regard, I am concerned not so much with losses, which, apparently, are not so huge, but with the development of a resource for quite a modern aviation in vain.

Okay, there the SU-25s are firing from a pitch-up, God bless them, but to drive modern helicopters for this, which, as it were, is not so much anyway, in my opinion, this is complete ...

[Alex_mech]

What kind of allies are we talking about, I wonder? Will Belarus arrange deliveries from its factories?

[Konnick]

Missile carriers have become too sophisticated, expensive. At the moment, there are no longer those requirements for aircraft as carriers of machine-gun and cannon weapons. A modern combat aircraft must have stealth, a powerful locator, short takeoff and landing. Such a module, on which the weapons necessary to perform a combat mission are installed.

Super-maneuverability is needed, perhaps, for attack aircraft, but for attack aircraft, in the first place, invisibility is already three-spectral, and this is practically impossible to achieve with current models of attack aircraft. Of course, it is necessary to develop UAVs. And the combination of a drone that detects targets, makes target designation and a manned carrier of high-precision weapons that is not included in the MANPADS coverage area becomes relevant. The speed of the manned carrier can also be helicopter, for flying at ultra-low altitudes in order to reduce visibility for the air defense radar.
Modern ultra-expensive aviation does not pay for itself in terms of impact on the enemy, since the modern enemy has effective air defense.

[User_neydobniu]

Modern super-expensive aviation does not pay for itself in terms of impact on the enemy

A modern combat aircraft must have stealth, a powerful locator, short takeoff and landing

So you decide whether you need expensive aviation or not?
Supermaneuverability is a legacy of the 80s, and Soviet jet engines
A powerful AFAR from domestic components, now for Russia it will cost an order of magnitude more than super-maneuverability, because we have electronics in the paddock

[Konnick]

So you decide whether you need expensive aviation or not?

Not needed, since a powerful locator should be on the AWACS aircraft, and not on every fighter. There should be a bunch of AWACS aircraft and weapons carrier aircraft.

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

"short takeoff and landing" - why is that? How low speed can reduce visibility for radar and how it is related to ultra-low altitudes. UAV, which directs the aircraft at the target in conjunction? What kind of nonsense? To be able to do this, the UAV must have the appropriate equipment, which makes it visible to air defense, expensive, large and vulnerable.

[Konnick]

UAV, which directs the aircraft at the target in conjunction? What kind of nonsense?

According to American military experts, this makes it possible to achieve such advantages over the enemy as a large target detection range, a larger stock of aviation weapons (ASP, the total ammunition is helicopter and UAV weapons), as well as a low probability of hitting a helicopter due to a reduction in the period or complete exclusion of it stay within the reach of enemy weapons.

The UTA communication system is a two-way high-bandwidth data transmission system for helicopter crews that allows them to control the flight path of the UAV. The system allows you to control UAVs at long ranges and receive real-time high-definition video images on multifunctional displays of an attack helicopter. The helicopter is equipped with a fire control radar and a new UTA system, which allow the use of Hellfire missiles with a millimeter-wave radar seeker in the fire-and-forget mode. Equipping serial helicopters with the new system is scheduled for 2012.


The UTA system was developed by Longbow, which is a joint venture between Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman.

[Konnick]

"short takeoff and landing" - why is that? How low speed can reduce visibility for radar and how it is related to ultra-low altitudes

Short takeoff and landing shortens the length of the GDP, and you need a lot of airfields.

The low speed allows attack aircraft to fly at ultra-low altitudes and be invisible to radar. Moreover, these are not necessarily expensive helicopters worth a billion rubles, but propeller-driven aircraft. At altitudes of 30 meters and below, the aircraft are practically invisible to the radar.

[SergeyB]

Quote: Konnick

Short takeoff and landing shortens the length of the GDP, and you need a lot of airfields

Short takeoff increases fuel consumption. Accordingly, the range of the aircraft is reduced. Because of this, more short runway airfields will need to be built than long runway airfields to achieve the same "coverage".

Quote: Konnick

Low speed allows attack aircraft to fly at ultra-low altitudes and be invisible to radar

Low speed does nothing to help flying at ultra-low altitude.
Helps aircraft profile specifically designed for ultra-low altitude flight. And equipment / equipment to help the pilot in this mode.

[Eug]

And one more nuance - the KVP allows you to bring the base point closer to the coverage area (naturally, with appropriate camouflage and protection measures), thereby increasing the responsiveness (perhaps this is in the past with the current level of saturation with surveillance and reconnaissance equipment). As for the short takeoff - at the end of the 80s, experiments were carried out on takeoff from a collapsible springboard with inclination angles of 11-13 degrees, installed at the end of an undamaged (or repaired) section of the runway 300 meters long, but I did not see results anywhere ...

[alexmach]

The UAV must have the appropriate equipment, which makes it visible to air defense

And at the same time it allows a manned aircraft to remain invisible, no?

[Stas157]

Quote: Konnick

Modern super-expensive aviation does not pay for itself in terms of impact on the enemy, since the modern enemy has effective air defense.

This thesis ceases to work if this effective air defense is destroyed before the use of aviation. which has been demonstrated time and again.

[Uncle lee]

throw all your strength into replenishing the ranks of the VSK RF

And only so !

[Mikhail Maslov]

If the loss data are correct, we are waiting for us as the author and indicated a lack of aircraft. Now Ukraine is already receiving new air defense systems, and this is unfortunately a loss. The author has sorted everything out correctly. There is no information on AWACS aircraft yet. There is no information on the MiG-31 either. At this rate, we will increase the number of the RF Armed Forces, as for export, there will be serious and long-term (and they simply must be) orders from the state, export itself will go to the second and third plan.

[alexmach]

If the loss data is correct, we are waiting as the author and indicated the lack of aircraft

Hmm .. a shortage awaits us even if the loss data is not correct.

[Bingo]

What to fly into battle tomorrow?

Author:
Roman Skomorokhov

On the line, sir. You are special. Crown does not press?

[U-58]

The author has laid out everything correctly on the shelves.
And, as always, the question rests on money.
It goes without saying that unsold aircraft are lost profits, and in foreign currency.
And we have less and less currency coming in.
Sooner or later, the moment will come when the amount of lost currency will turn into the quality of life of the economy.
And everything will appear in such a way as if we are waging an ordinary war, but not a "strange" military operation.
And what to do? What compromise to look for?
It seems that first of all it is necessary to finish hostilities, and victoriously. And there is no other way out.
And for this, all export samples should be used to achieve this. Enough pilots.
Only the lazy did not write about the defeat of the enemy's air defense.
That is, high-quality and operational reconnaissance and strikes with high-precision weapons. Probably enough to hit the warehouses with calibers.
In the end, he must finally earn the combat experience gained over the year.
We need a real change in the situation, but not daily type of victorious reports without a practical result.

[Hagakure]

On the contrary, the whole point is just not about money, but about goals. If money is the goal, then there will be no sense. Russia now has a negative export balance. Because of the sanctions, it sells goods for a currency one and a half times more than it can spend on the purchase of important imported goods. Why the Russian leadership is saving up these useless numbers on their accounts is completely unclear to me. All these figures must be cashed in to expand domestic production, which would consume raw materials that suddenly became unnecessary in the West, and at the same time produce goods useful for the domestic market, including weapons. Weapons should not be considered as a commodity at all. Yes, indeed, in a peaceful period, a country can sell weapons and raise the budget. But raising the question of the payback of military enterprises is as absurd as transferring the police and the prosecutor's office to self-sufficiency and self-support. The military-industrial complex must first of all ensure the country's defense capability. And if he also manages to earn money at the same time, then it's good. This is the icing on the cake. But there must be a cake. Without cake, all those cherries are useless. And the cake is the country's defense capability. In general, in communist times, it was customary to measure the economy in terms of tons of harvested crops, smelted metal and the amount of cargo transported. You can eat a ton of grain, you can build a house from a ton of cement, and from your numbers on the accounts, which also cancel 300 billion. don't build or eat anything. Goods are needed, not the percentage of GDP or the exchange rate of the ruble.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

If the Aerospace Forces really face the threat of a shortage of aircraft, it makes sense to abandon external contracts and devote all their efforts to replenishing the ranks of the Russian Aerospace Forces. With all available forces for this.

How do our "partners" think about their country?
Israel - Israel first!
USA - there is only America and there is the rest of the world, which is for America!
China - China first!
Germany (once) - Deutschland über ales!
You can go on endlessly...
And only we are always mumbling about the fact that “for the sake of a dear friend and an earring from an ear”, and something else about friendship, about a word that you need to keep and smell crap when the enemy is already at the gate, and friends are in no hurry to help and diligently pretend that nothing is happening and in general they just passed by here ...

[AlexWar]

The West deceived Russia, they themselves produce as much as they want, they fettered Russia with their agreements on offensive weapons. As a result, sanctions I think we were just deceived hard at what.
Such a number of planes for such a country, with such threats, just makes me laugh.
Hitler at one time deceived the USSR, the USA again deceived Russia, there is no need to negotiate with them, they are constantly trying to attack us
The example from the USSR must be taken in terms of the number of equipment.
In countries like the United States, presidents are changing today, one says one, tomorrow another already wants to start a war
Remember Arestovich said that Russia could be attacked and called the figure of 2 thousand aircraft a one-time raid, when the United States attacked Iraq a day, up to a thousand sorties did
Operation Desert Storm
The command of the multinational forces managed to create a powerful aviation grouping, numbering over 2000 aircraft, and stocks of materiel, providing for the needs of aviation during 2-3 months of hostilities. The aviation group included 20 B-52 strategic bombers, more than 1700 tactical aircraft and up to 450 carrier-based combat vehicles.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Операция_«Буря_в_пустыне»
And then all NATO countries will be against us and Arestovich did not lie about the raid of 2000 aircraft at once
Do you want to say that our air defense will reflect something there?

The ground forces of the MNF consisted of 16 divisions (up to 800 thousand people), more than 4000 tanks, over 3700 guns and mortars. Army aviation had about 2000 combat helicopters.[1]
Here, consider America launched Operation Storm in the Desert and ours launched Operation NWO

Iraq is 437 km²
Ukraine is 603 549 km²
Who planned that 250 thousand people would be enough is not clear.

And we count aviation as pieces, we have 10 new aircraft.

[Sergey Samkov]

The author only needs to name the names of the pilots, their relatives and places of residence ... And what, the article on state secrets has been canceled?

[Goto]

And this is a state secret that everyone knows? Not funny yourself?

[AlexWar]

Did Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov read Operation Desert Storm? It was he who thought there that 250 thousand would be enough.
Mr. Gerasimov and Shoigu are not building an army on the scale that is needed to protect the state
Offensive aviation should be at least 2000 aircraft to repel attacks, our aircraft are not fortified at airfields, when Israel launched an operation against Egypt, they destroyed almost all of their aircraft in a day.
All agreements in the United States are such that they can grind any army in the world to smithereens.
To resolve the issue in Ukraine, we needed aviation, including 2000 aircraft and millions of people, 6000 thousand tanks, so that the effect was like a desert storm
We do not have normal armored personnel carriers.
All there is money let produce. And no one will impose sanctions against the country.
I recall the words of Arestovich that Russia could be attacked by up to 2000 NATO planes, he said that they would tear us apart.
America sent 800 troops to Operation Desert Storm.
All plans of the General Staff are far from the reality and capabilities of our army.
Already now we need to reopen schools for pilots and air defense, all this must be defended. Weakness will only breed the desire of the West to attack us.

[Stas157]

Quote from Alexwar

Did Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov read Operation Desert Storm?

Looks like I only heard it with one ear.

After Syria, where only one squadron was dispensed with, it seemed that the rest of the sea was knee-deep. Not calculated. And seven times they did not measure.

[Dimax-nemo]

But no one asked Gerasimov how many there were in Desert Storm. That's how much they gave him (money), so (for that) fight. Shoulder straps not tight?

[Andrew L]

As for me, the difference between the NWO and the war is significant.

[anclevalico]

Can not. There is no mobilization of industry, for there is no war. In the Kremlin, as before, SVO and pink ponies ...

[Konnick]

There is no mobilization of industry, because there is no war. In the Kremlin, as before, SVO and pink ponies ...

What is the mobilization of industry???
We have private property ... and the industry has already been graved (

[Dimax-nemo]

Yeah, very "private" Rostec. That's almost the whole "industry".

[sgrabik]

Well, why be surprised here, the market economy in all its glory.

[Eug]

It would be interesting to read similar statistics on helicopters. On boards for videoconferencing, as I understand it, there are a lot of questions about the capabilities of component suppliers.

[Pavel57]

In conditions of a shortage of aircraft and the MiG-35 would be useful.

[Konnick]

In conditions of a shortage of aircraft and the MiG-35 would be useful.

So what's the deficit? Remember Surovikin read a report after taking office, in 8 months 35 thousand sorties were made, in total !!! Those. about 140 sorties of aircraft and helicopters per day, this is nothing.
In Desert Storm, only 80 B-52 bombers made 1624 sorties in a month and a half, 40 sorties a day, one B-52 made one sortie in two days, I'm not talking about small things.
Our attack helicopter makes a maximum of two sorties a week ... and even then from a pitch-up

[Dimax-nemo]

I understand they used up their supply of missiles.

[UAZ 452]

To expand the nomenclature in conditions when the quantity is more important? Engage in duplication of the classes of weapons that we have, while having a complete blockage in entire areas? Oh well...

[Konnick]

To expand the nomenclature in conditions when the quantity is more important? Engage in duplication of the classes of weapons that we have, while having a complete blockage in entire areas? Oh well...

Not to expand, but to change

[Dimax-nemo]

It would be useful, but in the first place they don’t even need fighters. Jammers, decoys, specially trained air defense crews. For the latter, an increase in the number of VKS is really needed.

[Gnefredov]

Eh ... How few thousands are missing, short-range and medium-range ballistic missiles with a warhead weight - "from 0,5 to 8 tons." Aviation would also get work in the form of photo and video recording of their work, and there is no need to take the FAB on yourself anywhere.

PS Probably, the time to get out of any harmful arms treaties will come faster than one could expect, because some bridges and tunnels that should have been destroyed yesterday are still functioning today.

[flyer]

There is no money for the war, therefore NWO. Analytics about what we invent and build, without working out the financial possibility of carrying out these stages, is meaningless.

[Konnick]

Analytics about what we invent and build, without working out the financial possibility of carrying out these stages, is meaningless.

But Shoigu has already held a meeting to increase the army. It seems that in the Ministry of Defense analysts correspond to the minister.

[AlexWar]

In terms of the number of combat aircraft, the US Air Force is not so much superior to Russia (1522 versus 1183 aircraft). But there is a very important nuance here.

Military aircraft for various purposes, including direct combat aircraft, are also concentrated in the United States as part of the National Guard aviation, which, in fact, performs the role of the internal army, the US Navy and the Marine Corps. The total number of only combat aircraft that are at the disposal of the US Armed Forces, according to The Military Balance 2020 (data for Russia and the United States are used further exclusively for this collection), is 1522 in the Air Force + 981 aircraft in the naval aviation of the Navy + 432 aircraft in the Corps US Marine Corps + 576 aircraft in the Air National Guard.

A total of 3511 combat aircraft: fighters, bombers, attack aircraft and anti-submarine aircraft. At the disposal of the Russian Armed Forces, taking into account the air force and naval aviation of the Navy (+217 combat aircraft), there are 1400 vehicles.

In terms of the total number of combat aircraft, the US Armed Forces surpass the Russian Armed Forces by 2,5 times.

And that's just the United States, not including NATO countries. And our Mo is so confident in his abilities.
And most of the planes are old.
Having such an army as ours, you just have to unleash a nuclear war, there will be no other forces and means.
SVO showed that missile depots are practically at zero
Careless arrogance that we all can.

[Essex62]

This is because no one was going to fight with partners, and even today "they haven't started yet." Crimea-2 was conceived and failed. Now how will it work. The Russian comprador bourgeoisie did not expect the teachers to attack so cruelly.

[rocket757]

What to fly into battle tomorrow?

. What to discuss???
The fact that the doctrine of small wars that a small, professional army can wage has died out without showing itself ... or rather, showing itself in such a way that, oh, is it not necessary?
It was the Gay Europeans who could afford such experiments, sitting under the wing of Uncle Sam, and Russia has always relied on a powerful, NATIONAL, united and indestructible!
Obviously, the concept that ours is a vigorous loaf, the most vigorous in the world, has its negative sides ...
And now the question is ... what to do next, who and how can correct the mistakes made, and will they correct them ???

[single-n]

The concept works great, but NWO is not a war of 10 NATO countries with Papuan. It was ours, from some hangover, who decided that there would be something like 08.08.08. And the main question is what have been waiting for since March/April. When even the most stupid it became clear that the plan failed. Announce mobilization as it was expected - in May there would be no Izyum regrouping. And leaving Kherson. And Wagner would not have stormed Soledar, but Barvenkovo ​​or Kramotorsk. After that, both Bakhmut and Soledar of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would simply be abandoned. Leaving the boiler. And all these bunkers of theirs would instantly turn into useless basements.

[rocket757]

It was very "cool" to hear, from some, that they were not preparing for this ... the question really begs, what were they preparing for ???
By the way, if the concept of "limit", as such, was not loudly criticized, then they specifically said that for our country, for our situation, it is not acceptable, in fact ... in all facts, historical, logical and others.
Someone from the top leadership decided that they are smarter than everyone, smarter than their ancestors, but it turned out ... so they ended up in a situation where the reserves are eaten up, and then, as before, it DEPENDS ONLY ON OUR PEOPLE what will happen next .

[Alexey RA]

Quote: rocket757

The fact that the doctrine of small wars that a small, professional army can wage has died out without showing itself ... or rather, showing itself in such a way that, oh, is it not necessary?

And where did you see this doctrine and small professional army?
No, of course, the Serdyukov-Makarov reform involved the creation of such an army. But, firstly, the brigades of contract soldiers were only one of the components of this army (the other was the training units and centers for the preparation of the mobile reserve, which, in which case, was supposed to fill all sorts of BKhVT there, turning them into new brigades and divisions). And, secondly, this reform died almost on the rise. And instead of a small professional army, we, through the efforts of economy lovers and Arbat generals, received a simulacrum - semi-contract-semi-draft formations, and even with cropped units. In general, the same old divisions, only in profile.
And the return from brigades to divisions did not solve anything - we do not have full-fledged trained and well-coordinated formations that can be thrown into battle in full force. And there are paper divisions that are forced to send into battle either consolidated tactical groups or cut down regular units, bringing into them only that part of the personnel who are allowed to participate in hostilities "without declaring war." And try to provide them with a framed rear.

So do not pull the current real situation on the globe doctrines of small wars that a small, professional army can fight. PMSM, if the Serdyukov-Makarov brigades were implemented in accordance with the original concept, then the plans for the time of the beginning of the NWO could come true.

[Dimax-nemo]

Where to get it, nationwide? When no one wants to serve for more than a year and is not going to, and when the very thought that conscripts will be sent to war leads to shock and awe. In one call for conscripts, roughly speaking, now up to 130-140 thousand at best. Further, even with the pros, you will not succeed in anything else, except for what we had a year ago.

[u4gr8Kk6p8]

Without panic, a Russian soldier, armed with love for the motherland, is capable of destroying absolutely any enemy with an ordinary earflap.

[avia12005]

We should also mention the formation of the 8th Bap and the 1st Shad (or Shap?) in the Western District. Where will they take aircraft for them ?! Or how many years will they make ...

[Vladimir80]

Let them take junk from warehouses or neighbors will share ...

[UAZ 452]

But the positions of generals and colonels will be introduced tomorrow, and they will also be filled instantly. Well, planes and pilots ...

[Stirbjorn]

It is not clear what we have with attack drones - the Orion and the new S-70 Okhotnik ?!

[Vladimir80]

Nothing, do not disturb our unparalleled sleep with your uncomfortable questions

[Jonny_Su]

Especially Orion, under which a plant was built in the Moscow region.

[Alex_mech]

Yes, everything is clear to everyone. For the parade, the 9th is enough, although it may not be needed, maybe the weather will be bad.

[UAZ 452]

Comparing a bunch of old aircraft - new ammunition and the latest aircraft - old ammunition, I will put it on the first one. And there are no resources for the ideal in the form of a modern carrier with a modern weapon system - neither financial, nor temporary, nor technological. In any case, within the framework of the NWO, this is no longer relevant. So you need to focus on what will allow you to get the maximum effect with the minimum (relatively) cost of resources. It's time, finally, to learn how to choose correctly between showiness and efficiency.

[Konnick]

Comparing a bunch of old aircraft - new ammunition and the latest aircraft - old ammunition, I will put on the first

Great comparison

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I have already spoken about this several times, it is precisely long-range guided munitions that are needed.

[astra wild2]

Good morning colleagues, it so happened that I am partially in the subject.
Katya's husband is a factory engineer: "measuring instruments", complains that the factories do not have enough personnel.
At one time, until 2010-12, they cut a lot, and now people are in no hurry to return ..
And radio equipment is now in demand everywhere.
By the way, since autumn we have been producing chips similar to the latest Chinese ones. We bought it in China in the summer, and now we make it ourselves.
There was a message about this in the media

[Konnick]

At one time, until 2010-12, they cut a lot, and now people are in no hurry to return ..

What is true is true.
Once I was on a business trip in Murom, at one of the machine factories. The director complained, an order came for the modernization of the BMP, but there was no one to work. He says he also promised a good salary .... but they answered him, this order will end and suck your paw again, no, we’ll trade slowly in the market ...
PS
I wonder who downvoted you?

[sgrabik]

But for that we have so many lawyers, economists, bankers and managers of all stripes that there is nowhere to put them, but techies, engineers, designers, technologists are now worth their weight in gold, here you have a market economy that has generated a sharp distortion and unjustified distortion of prestige professions that are really essential for our industry and economy, which has been developing for decades since the very beginning of the 90s.

[Alex_mech]

The market economy has nothing to do with it. Compare the salary of an engineer at Lockheed, Boeing or Dassault with those in Russia. The West also has a market economy.

[Jonny_Su]

Hmm, there's nothing wrong with that. Factories are gradually increasing their capacities, each such increase is a separate project with its own work plan, often started before 2022. In the event of an assault after the campaign, everything will have to be redone.
For IL, the task was set of 18 boards per year, let them go to it. And now there is already a 25% increase compared to last year, 6 boards will be delivered in 2023 - excellent.
KNAAPO is slowly increasing the output of the Su-57, they say that the reconstruction has recently ended there, and this is normal. According to the contact "70 until 2027" they need to reach 15 aircraft per year.
In Nske, they are gradually increasing output, good.
How long do you think the campaign will last? What to do then, again to utilize the power?

[sgrabik]

The situation has changed dramatically and requires increasing output not slowly, but very significantly, and we still have to live until the “what to do next” moment, we certainly do not expect to utilize the capacities in the medium term, since now there is a huge shortage of all these necessary capacities.

[Jonny_Su]

Projects to increase output, if implemented wisely, are long. See how much IL is grinding out the domestic assembly line (they didn’t have time for the foreign one, it only got up in Irkutsk).

[sgrabik]

Civil projects can still wait for some time, but the military cannot wait in this situation, there is simply no time for their implementation in the long run.

[Nikolaevich I]

1. Refusing to supply equipment "within the framework" of an export order will deal such a blow to the reputational image of Russia that it will take decades, not years, to restore the positions lost in this way! And not the fact that it will be possible to restore everything! "Historical" examples can be found! ("A holy place is never empty ..."!) The only thing that can be done is to negotiate ... if the customers agree, sign a new agreement that the customers will receive orders "a little later" (2-3-4 years ...) for the same price, but "better" (that is, modernized ...)! 2. Export "products" are not "copies" of equipment adopted by the Russian Aerospace Forces! The "exporters" are deprived of something, but they have acquired something compared to the "serials" of the VKS, but "in any way" they differ!

[alexmach]

The refusal to supply equipment within the "framework" of the export order will deal such a blow to the reputational image of Russia that it will take decades, not years, to restore the positions lost in this way!

So it seems that they themselves refused to supply. In general, during the war, many did this. The British, for example, during World War II privatized battleships and aircraft carriers built for someone in South America, and did not worry about anything, about any prestige.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: alexmach

they seem to have refused to deliver

I'm not talking about those who are "themselves" ...

Quote: alexmach

The British, for example, during World War II privatized battleships and aircraft carriers built for someone in South America,

Well, Britain and ... mmm ... Honduras at the end of the first half of the 20th century is not the best example for comparison ...

[steelmaker]

"that the losses of the Aerospace Forces since the beginning of the NMD amounted to at least 30 aircraft of new models (Su-34, Su-35, Su-30) and about 20 aircraft of old models (Su-24 and Su-25) models."
I only had information on the SU-34. This is a huge loss! And I wonder if there are now degenerates who will claim that time is working for Russia?

[sgrabik]

And what do you have, the information apparently comes directly from the Moscow Region, well, don’t write all this ridiculous nonsense, now it’s just stupid to rely on any third-party information.

[Sergey39]

What are the losses of the Su 34, if this is reliable information?

[vladcub]

"I had information" you either have it or you don't. If there was, where did she go?
It is not yet known what reliability, source of information? If these are bloggers, then this is close to: "the grandmother heard in the market."
There will be no reliable information about aviation losses now.
In the "cart" I read: they have 10 of our pilots in captivity.

[Alex_mech]

Judging by the videos that are on the network, this is not surprising. But what can you do, they have already announced that the air defense has been destroyed, you have to pretend that this is the case and at the same time not meddle in where the destroyed air defense has risen.

[Volunteer Marek]

And where can I get pilots and ITS? Who, where and for what will prepare them in the quantities necessary for a hypothetical increase in the number of aircraft? There will be money, but the question is - will they reach the "land"? I'm afraid as usual...

[jaroff]

Call from the reserve, because pilots and technicians were not called up during mobilization. Not one received a summons

[Vlad2012]

Long-range bomber pilots were trained for 2 months before WW9, and for about 6 months during the war. Even our prosperous allies. It's just that they were trained to be a pilot, and not given a higher education. And that was enough to fly across the continent to bomb bridges and oil refineries.

[alexmach]

And where to get pilots and ITS? Who, where and for what will prepare them in the quantities necessary for a hypothetical increase in the number of aircraft?

In fact, now there will be a reduction in the number of aircraft rather than an increase. The still-operated Su-27, MiG-29, Su-25 and Su-24 will go down in history. And even in a ratio of 1:1, it is problematic to replace them today.

[trenkkvaz]

The main losses were at the beginning of the war, when they still did not really know what Ukrainian air defense was capable of.
When they understood, then aviation practically ceased to be actively used in accordance with the scale of the war.
With the current style of using aviation, there will no longer be such large losses as at the beginning of the war.
The question is - why do we need manned aircraft in war if we are afraid to use them?
Instead of expanding the production of aircraft, it would be better to spend these resources on the production of strike UAVs, which will not be scary to use.

[Consultant]

Quote: trenkkvaz

The question is - why do we need manned aircraft in war if we are afraid to use them?
Instead of expanding the production of aircraft, it would be better to spend these resources on the production of strike UAVs

Aircraft are needed in many cases. Better not "instead of", but "additionally".

[Cottodraton]

4 sous 30?) Well .. well, so be it)). Let's not argue

[vovochkarzhevsky]

The article does not say anything about helicopters. But it is precisely on them that the main burden of the air war is now. And the situation with the rotorcraft is very sad. Not only are there very few of them, but also unjustified losses.

[Vladimir80]

Well, if helicopters "shoot nowhere from a cabling", then the sense of such an application is close to 0

[Consultant]

There was news that the production of modern rockets for helicopters had begun (or increased?).

[certero]

I don’t understand how it can’t be seen that manned aviation has ended the battlefield?
That all these su-35 su-34s now solve absolutely nothing
We need a massive, relatively cheap unmanned aircraft that will not be a pity to lose and that can strike both at the front line and deep into the enemy’s defenses without fear of being shot down.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

So there are already such, cruise and other guided and homing missiles. You just need to produce more.

[Vladimir80]

if there is manned aviation in the United States, China, the outskirts, then it is needed ... the main question is that without modern ammunition it is useless (all these nurses, etc.) - and for modern ammunition, intelligence is needed (satellite and drill) ... i.e. the question is that if it is not possible to establish reconnaissance and release of modern ammunition, then the effectiveness of our aviation is extremely (!) Limited

[Private SA]

On PO-2 at night, I'm afraid they will fly. There is a chance that the radar from afar will not take plywood, yes
percale, and if you turn off the engine and leave for planning, then the IR head will lose the target.
Separate night short-range bomber regiments ...

[Last centurion]

The main thing is that cast iron is not bombed from fighters. Otherwise, no matter how much you build, you won’t save enough. I hope our generals are okay (no) with mathematics on the cost of aircraft and planning bombs?

[Glagol1]

Exports cannot be pushed back, and there are so few partners left, everyone is afraid of sanctions. And Iran, and Algeria, and others need to supply the ordered. Necessarily. As for replenishment. I agree with the author that from 40 to 50 sides were lost. So many more spinners. Various reputable sources call the total amount of our losses at 80-100 sides. But it must be taken into account that we lost most of them in the first half of 2022, and in the second they decreased. So 30 - 40 newly released aircraft will cover combat losses. There is another problem - the efficiency of use, especially turntables and Su-25. They are used from pitching over the areas of nurses - the efficiency tends to zero, and the life of the sides dies. This is what is important. This is the most inaccurate way to bomb the enemy + the risk of losing an aircraft + the risk of losing pilots + killing a resource. And besides this, the combat guard of air bases. Already a lot of cars lost on earth. Incl. Far from the front line.

[Voenoboz]

Yes, how many of you here are whiners and alarmists. Yes, it’s hard, yes, it’s difficult, so roll up those sleeves and do everything at your workplace, if you are not a traitor. The eyes are afraid, but the hands are doing, our proverb says.

[Leontrotsky]

Well, in order to draw such far-reaching conclusions, you need to know exactly the losses of the videoconferencing. And the author refers to the "expert opinion" of an unknown expert and, on this shaky foundation, builds his theory. Secondly, attack aircraft, in front of the SVO from SU-30 and above, the VKS had in the region of 700-800 pieces. What should be enough for at least 10 years of SVO with the expert losses announced by the author. Moreover, what is left is enough to open a second front. So the situation seems to be largely far-fetched.

[alexmach]

Secondly, attack aircraft, in front of the SVO from SU-30 and above, the VKS had in the region of 700-800 pieces

Just? 800 pieces? what is so little, write more, "why should their busurman be sorry!"

[Dimax-nemo]

Judging by the fact that the Su-35 went to Iran under an Egyptian contract, restoring the strength of the Aerospace Forces is by no means a priority.

[jaroff]

Nobody went anywhere. The transfer of cars to Egypt has been postponed. And Iran first needs to buy a pair of Su30sme twins so that ours can teach them to fly. This is a training technique, I did an exercise on a twin with an instructor, switched to a single seat, and did the same exercise.

[Dimax-nemo]

Su-30 is not Su-35. There is no talk of sending "Egyptian" Su-35s to the Aerospace Forces at all.

[sgrabik]

The Egyptian Su-35s have not yet gone anywhere, a decision on them has not yet been made, it is quite possible that Iran will be supplied with aircraft at a different, later time.

[Dimax-nemo]

No decision was made to send them to the VKS.

[Osipov9391]

Regarding AWACS.
The A-100 project is stillborn and hopelessly outdated. Most likely it will be closed.
Firstly, this is actually the modernization of the A-50, the concept of which is more than half a century old;
Secondly, there are no electronic components and hardware saturation for it;
Thirdly, in mass production, in fact, there is no platform, several cars a year for VTA
and no more. And for AWACS, the aircraft will have to be redesigned significantly.

Well, and most importantly, the outdated A-100 concept. Totally outdated.
Now no one builds such aircraft. On the platform of a military transport aircraft.
Yes, and with four engines. And a rotating antenna-dish.

This is what modern AWACS aircraft look like.
Only the platform of the passenger liner;
Only with a couple of engines;
Only a fixed "board" AFAR above the fuselage.
These are the main requirements for new aircraft.

The idea of ​​creating a universal kit looks much more attractive.
radar equipment (both with a classic dish and with a "board") to turn
in AWACS aircraft a significant amount of cash Il-96 and Tu-204/214 fresh years of production.
that are in storage.

[cold wind]

Quote: Osipov9391

The idea of ​​creating a universal kit looks much more attractive.
radar equipment (both with a classic dish and with a "board") to turn
in AWACS aircraft a significant amount of cash Il-96 and Tu-204/214 fresh years of production.
that are in storage.

Klimov in an interview suggested the installation of two Irbis radars on these aircraft. It's a very good idea for me. Relatively cheap, but it will perform the AWACS functions. The Americans also use their R-8 Poseidon for radar reconnaissance, there is a radar installed in the nose.

[Osipov9391]

There is also the Oko complex for the Ka-31 helicopter. There are domestic components.
And so with electronics quiet horror now.

What they do is laughter and tears.
Mostly utopian copies of the very first DSPs, PICs and Atmels from the late 90s and early 00s.
According to those ancient technical processes.
Much worse than their overseas counterparts - the declared clock frequency and performance are not issued.
Higher power consumption.
The price is tens of times higher than foreign analogues that are much better in all respects.
And a bunch of other problems.

[Vasily Lugovskoy]

Well, actually, the industry, the army, uses technical processes from 90 to 350 nm, in the F-35' they found a processor of 2002, I think our division commanders have performance, if less, then not at times .... well, the cost depends on the series, circulation of millions of batches of processors is cheaper than 10K

[Osipov9391]

The processor is not everything. For AWACS operator stations, a 1839 vax-compatible and well-established processor set is suitable.
On it, a number of TsVM90 should have been made 32-bit.

Memory. Mainly flash memory. Even for aircraft recorders.
The Micron line at 0.18 µm is the best in Russia. But even on it the memory goes well, maximum
2-4 megabytes.
This is the level of the late 90s.
Now we need gigabytes of information to store and record / delete at least 10000 cycles.
And there are no such microcircuits in Russia.
Not much better with RAM. 8 megabytes.
But in any case, this is the level of the late 90s and modern weapons cannot be made on it.

[Negro]

Quote from cold wind

The Americans also use their R-8 Poseidon for radar reconnaissance, there is a radar installed in the nose.

The damned bourgeois were running around the F-35 as an AWACS aircraft. A penguin cannot go into a cannon fight (which they will tell you about on an ax), so at least it will highlight.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Osipov9391

This is what modern AWACS aircraft look like.
Only the platform of the passenger liner;
Only with a couple of engines;
Only a fixed "board" AFAR above the fuselage.
These are the main requirements for new aircraft.

A funny story about this car: it was developed as an export AWACS aircraft for Australia. Later purchased by Korea, Turkey, Great Britain. And only 13 years after the delivery of the first car, the native state decided that the USAF also needed these - instead of the Sentry.
Campaign, they also got a furniture maker there - this is his trick: to buy serial and debugged export models for the armed forces after a slight revision.

[cold wind]

Quote: Alexey RA

Korea, Turkey, UK. And only 13 years after the delivery of the first car, the native state decided that the USAF also needed these - instead of the Sentry.
Campaign, they also got a furniture maker there - this is his trick: to buy serial and debugged export models for the armed forces after a slight revision.

Sentry is sufficient for the USAF, they have no opponents on land. These AWACS are updated only because of the imminent physical impossibility of lifting them into the air. Naval E-2Ds are extremely advanced, there are many times more of them. They carry the main tasks of AWACS in their aircraft.

[Osipov9391]

Do not forget that the Europeans operate the E-3 alone for about three dozen!
The Germans have 16 cars;
The French have 4 cars;
The British have 6-7 of them from about a different version with a refueling bar.

This is enough to control the sky over the whole of Europe around the clock.
in shifts.
If necessary, there are AWACS aircraft of light and medium types, as well as the possibility
transfers from overseas of several dozen E-3s.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from cold wind

These AWACS are updated only because of the imminent physical impossibility of lifting them into the air.

PMSM, the cost of operation also plays a role there - the 707s have been out of production for 30 years, and it is becoming more and more difficult to find spare parts and components for them. And stocks landfills AB Davis-Montin are not endless.
But I'm talking about something else. Instead of ordering a new aircraft (with a traditional competition, bribes and drinks lobbying, sluggish R&D and constant alterations) they took the USAF - and broke off all the raspberries, ordering a mass-produced aircraft for themselves.

[Negro]

Quote: Alexey RA

USAF took - and broke off all the raspberries, ordering a mass-produced aircraft for themselves

Instead of a grandiose 20-year-old drank, a reasonable decision was made? The Americans?

It's worrisome.

[Negro]

Quote: Osipov9391

radar equipment (both with a classic dish and with a "board")

Khe-khe, where do you get these "boards" of yours?

[Pavel57]

Quote: Osipov9391

...
The idea of ​​creating a universal kit looks much more attractive.
radar equipment (both with a classic dish and with a "board") to turn
in AWACS aircraft a significant amount of cash Il-96 and Tu-204/214 fresh years of production.
that are in storage.

But what about electronic components that are not there?
Tu-204, as a platform, was planned for the PLO aircraft.

[Osipov9391]

Well, there are or will be some electronic components.
Of course, this is 15-20% of the required amount, but something can be found.
The complex "Oko" on the Ka-31 was successfully made on our components.

Tu-204 was planned as a platform for all special vehicles.
And the average tanker was a sin not to do.
Of course, with our microcircuits, you can’t reach the level of that AWACS aircraft in the photo above.
But to the level of existing AWACS and better than the A-50, this is real.

[Sergey39]

I have a question for Our beloved Skomorokhov!
You wrote about the losses of our aviation, but the question arises about the losses given, it seems that you overestimated them or imagine, as everyone loves, confirmed facts !!!
The main losses are Su 34 and Su 25 bomber and attack aircraft! And helicopters Mi 8, 28 and Ka 52!
With Su 24, 30 and especially Su35, implausible information, and especially in such quantities!

[Skeptic3]

Quote: Vladimir80

refusal to use tiao will eventually lead to

And what, in your opinion, will the use of tiao lead to?

[Vladimir80]

- to the liberation of the LDNR territories during 2023.
- complete isolation of the Russian Federation, which will eventually allow to get out of the existing paradigm of a colonial country

[Skeptic3]

Quote: sgrabik

TNW can and should be used

Why does none of those who propose the use of tactical nuclear weapons ever try to analyze the consequences? At least make a rough list of possible responses from the world community?
Such appeals are the empty bawling of people who are generally not accustomed to at least sometimes turn on their brains and at least think a little.

[Iris]

Residents of Japan joyfully clean the shoes of the American military. And there are a lot of American bases there.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Kasatik

Residents of Japan joyfully clean the shoes of the American military. And there are a lot of American bases there.

That is, to use nuclear weapons without consequences, you need to be the owner of the world's reserve currency, the head of the largest military bloc and have the largest economy in the world. Oh yes, it is also necessary that all the neighbors dream of cleaning up the country where nuclear weapons were used - and only your military bases would stop them.

[Alex_mech]

Do you remember that Japan attacked the USA? And before that, a bunch of countries, where they also staged a genocide? Well, that is, a slightly different context, despite the fact that the time is different and the characters.

[Skeptic3]

Quote: sgrabik

it is urgent to raise labor productivity at all enterprises of the military-industrial complex

Your message is reminiscent of the style of the Pravda newspaper propaganda. Good wishes for the future.

[Skeptic3]

Quote: alexmach

apparently not that big.

Huge/not huge is a value judgment. Everyone has their own measure of "enormity".
But the fact that aviation cannot operate on enemy territory is in itself the result of significant losses and the complete helplessness of the Aerospace Forces in this theater of operations. Otherwise, why would our aviation fly only over its territory, and then - clinging to the ground?

[Skeptic3]

Quote: Konnick

a powerful locator should be on the AWACS aircraft, and not on every fighter

And how will the fighter direct its missiles at the target?

[Alex_mech]

Do not break the "great" idea "fighter without radar"

[Vlad2012]

But do we need operational-tactical aviation that cannot work in operational depth and perform operational tasks? Each plane which costs like a dozen tanks? It is possible to fly along the front line under the cover of your own air defense and launch missiles from a pitch-up and this is cheaper. IL-2 once cost the price of a T-34 tank and pilots were trained as much as tankers. And they made more sense.

[Skeptic3]

Quote: anclevalico

No industrial mobilization

She is. And there is a law. It's just called a different word. As is customary with the current authorities.

[Skeptic3]

Quote: Andrei L

As for me, the difference between the NWO and the war is significant.

What exactly does it consist of in your opinion?

[Vladimir80]

If Xiao and I are in complete disarray, as with the rest, then NATO will really come in and grind us into dust. But if our missiles can still fly and there are people in the leadership who are ready to give orders, then simply no one will bother, why should they die? A Western person, accustomed to comfort, does not at all want and is not ready to die for a foreign country, even out of hatred for Russia. Here we need to take an example from North Korea, which is not the worst option for us. There are simply no other options, zugzwang.

[Osipov9391]

If it comes to an exchange of nuclear strikes, then we must keep in mind that NATO countries have more than 20 strategic submarines, and of which half or more may be on combat duty.
This provides a strategic advantage over our nuclear forces.
From advanced positions in the Mediterranean Sea, Tridents can very quickly demolish all the most important objects in the European part of Russia.
With minimal flight time.

As for the air component of the nuclear triad, only the United States among NATO countries has it.
France and Britain have not had it for a long time. Just like there is no ground component.
So the US ground component is outdated. Minutemen are very old missiles.

[Osipov9391]

The system that has been built over the past 20-plus years is completely unsuitable for the development of the state.
Especially in such a difficult period.
The production of necessary components is sometimes deliberately blocked, or simply no one wants to take responsibility.

If a conventional Voronezh ADC microcircuit breaks down in orbit and takes with it a military satellite worth 2 billion rubles, then answer to the management of the plant, the head of the customer’s representative office there, and so on down the chain.

If an Infineon or Atmel chip breaks down in orbit and takes with it a military satellite worth 4 billion rubles, then no one will be responsible.
The manufacturer of the defective part due to which a critical failure occurred is located abroad. The rules and laws of Russia do not apply to him. There is no military clearance with him. No one will ever give us technical specifications (TS) for imported microcircuits.
And without them it is impossible to carry out a full cycle of tests and inspections.

This is why many enterprises in Russia do not want to make new microchip developments.
It is responsible, expensive, time consuming, difficult and no one wants to do it.

[Vasily Lugovskoy]

I am not an adherent of the use of nuclear weapons, but I will point out what seems to me to be inaccurate, if tactical nuclear weapons are used not according to Soviet doctrine (breakthrough of defense) but purely to scare, then it is necessary to destroy railways and highways, and in western Ukraine, ten km from the EU, destroy Beskydy tunnel (although I’ll say right away that all this can be done without tactical nuclear weapons, the tunnel can be easily disabled with a dagger, not in the middle, of course, but 30 meters from the very entrance to the tunnel, there is not yet a large thickness of soil there, but when the Ukrainians fix everything, no one will stop us from striking again....) There will be no military options, it’s just that except for the EU, Canada and the USA, other countries that treat us normally will no longer understand us. It’s easy for the United States to create a world coalition that includes absolutely all countries, except for the DPRK, and probably our trade will be blocked and the economy will collapse...
I’m not throwing my hat in the ring about NATO joining the war with us, it’s clear we’ll lose a counter battle, but when you’re deployed into battle formations, the logistics are close, expect defeat in a month, well, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are also weaker, they’re losing tens of thousands but there’s no defeat...and so there will be... There is no need to compare with the Iraqi army, the air defense and aviation of Baghdad were many times weaker and more fragmented than the Ukrainian one, and the Ukrainian one was hundreds of times weaker than ours... and in Iraq the United States lost about a hundred planes and helicopters... And no one canceled the nuclear weapons retaliation strike on NATO bases in Europe already and tactical nuclear weapons, and if it presses, then with strategic ones on the capitals .. so we’ll weigh the pros and cons, we’d simply declare a world boycott, which Beijing would support and Delhi

[Consultant]

There is no need for unnecessary use of nuclear weapons. If NATO tanks come with depleted uranium rods (which the Foreign Ministry has already recognized as dirty bombs), then it will be possible in response to demolish the Beskydy tunnel using tactical nuclear weapons. What about the other 8 or how many main bridges and tunnels there are, but you can probably get by with conventional missiles there?

[Skeptic3]

Explain to me, stupid, how the Russian military-industrial complex plans to compete with the military-industrial complex of 50 countries around the world that supply weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine? This is an absolutely impossible, fundamentally unsolvable task.
And here we are counting airplanes - ten there, ten there...

[acetophenone]

Quote: Skeptik3

Explain to me, stupid, how the Russian military-industrial complex plans to compete with the military-industrial complex of 50 countries around the world that supply weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine? This is an absolutely impossible, fundamentally unsolvable task.
And here we are counting airplanes - ten there, ten there...

There is no way to compete. That's why I write that time is working against us. Over the long haul, we will simply be exhausted. That’s why I say that, as Clausewitz advises, the blow must be delivered with ALL forces. Not 1/10. But... where is Clausewitz, and where are the fat-star generals...

[Vasily Lugovskoy]

We don’t just have a systematic approach, we don’t have a systematic fight against air defense, at the beginning the company actively fought against it, and successfully, but then they gave up, they started fighting bridges, they launched 4 missiles (and not in one gulp) at a bridge near Odessa and a couple of missiles on the Dnieper did not it turned out like a picture of a collapse, they abandoned it... (the Armed Forces of Ukraine, for example, in Kherson, for a couple of months, they hammered on the bridge almost every day and achieved their goal), today I read an analysis of how we fought with railway logistics in the summer, when we hit traction substations, a summary, there were mistakes, they didn’t take into account a lot and even there it was written, then they all Abandoned....Where the hell is the system???

[Alexey RA]

It turns out that we are carefully repeating all the mistakes of the USAAF and RAF in 1942-1944. - lack of understanding of key targets, irregular and unsystematic impact, lack of control over results (after the raid the target was considered incapacitated), constant flitting between types of targets.
It then took the Yankees two years to begin to effectively use their long-range aircraft. And it all started with identifying sectors of the economy that are critical for the armed forces and the military-industrial complex, identifying the most vulnerable targets of these sectors, identifying the most vulnerable points of these targets and planning regular raids on them with monitoring the results.

[Alex_mech]

Well, we’ve switched to the tactic of 10 cruise missiles per 1 transformer. People like it here.

[Skeptic3]

Quote: acetophenon

the blow must be struck with ALL forces

I write a little higher about the possible consequences of “strike with all our might.” What can you say to this?

[Sergei Fonov]

Interestingly, the text is deleted, the corrected one is deleted, but nothing can be done with the uncorrected one, I started writing, and lo and behold, the text that was correct appeared.

[Vasily Lugovskoy]

There are, as far as I have heard, many graduates are in non-flying positions due to the fact that there are more pilots than airplanes

[acetophenone]

Quote: Skeptik3

Quote: acetophenon

the blow must be struck with ALL forces

I write a little higher about the possible consequences of “strike with all our might.” What can you say to this?

Are you talking about the use of nuclear weapons on the outskirts of Russia? If yes, then I am categorically against it. If everything is already lost and lost, then yes. And we don’t need territories contaminated for decades. From the word "absolutely".

[Skeptic3]

Quote: acetophenon

Are you talking about the use of nuclear weapons on the outskirts of Russia?

I'm afraid you didn't read my post.
Radioactive contamination will not be the main problem Russia will face.

[K-36]

Quote: alexmach

The author did not mention anything about AWACS, EW and UAV aircraft

The "author" is not at all to blame. The bmpd blog is to blame, from where the author licked 90% of the article :).

If I were the FSB of Russia, I would issue subpoenas to the investigative bodies of the FSB and bmpd employees and Romochka Skomorokhov for disclosing information on the Internet about the redeployment of military equipment during the SVO. They would also describe where exactly the Tu-160 and Tu-95 flew from Engels airfield. Impunity corrupts both the state and individuals, alas.

[Skeptic3]

Quote: Vladimir80

and there are people in the leadership who are ready to give orders

Do you think that Russia is led by “martyrs”? Suicidal maniacs?

[Osipov9391]

This is not the time standard for putting on a gas mask.
If it comes to this, then enemy SSBNs will fire missiles not only at Strategic Missile Forces bases, naval bases and strategic aviation airfields, but also at communication and control points, tracking stations, etc. Moreover, they can hit very quickly.
Surely many hours will pass until it becomes clear what happened and the surviving Topol/Yars will prepare for launch, retargeting more important and priority enemy targets.
The same thing happens with several SSBNs on duty in the White/Okhotsk Sea.

All other means will probably not be used at all.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

In general, during the collapse of the union, a bunch of MiG-23/27 were written off... IMHO, we need to shovel them, select 2-3 hundred more or less alive, disassemble the rest for spare parts, and load the MiG enterprise with their modernization... Yes, it’s a complex airframe, produce there is no point in new ones, but through cannibalism and the production of individual nodes they can be maintained.
At the same time, this is an excellent fighter-bomber.
We install modern radars, a Hephaestus bomb sight and get several hundred vehicles that will be effective, taking into account that the enemy has practically no fighter aircraft (even the same MiG-29 is almost not armed for air combat, mainly air-to-ground weapons).
In the end, they could be transferred to the Wagner PMC, for example.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Georgy Sviridov_2

In general, during the collapse of the union, a bunch of MiG-23/27 were written off... IMHO we need to shovel them, select 2-3 hundred more or less alive, disassemble the rest for spare parts, and load the MiG enterprise with their modernization...

No chance - even during the First Chechen War there were about a dozen MiG-27s left alive. The rest...

The Air Force command decided to urgently return the MiG-27s to service and use them in Chechnya. However, the reports from the storage bases sounded pessimistic: if they learned how to handle the cutting of equipment there, then there were no forces or specialists to restore the dismantled machines. A brigade of Mikoyanites sent to the bases, headed by A.S. Popov assessed the condition of the MiG-27 as completely unsatisfactory. The glazing of the lanterns became cloudy, the tanks and fuel fittings lost their tightness, many parts were affected by corrosion, including the landing gear and wing hinges, even the skin lost its smoothness and became rough. There was a case of destruction of the landing gear on the swivel unit right in the parking lot - the support simply rusted to the end due to "moisture ingress and complete corrosion damage."
By 2000, in addition to those being mothballed, there were only a few MiG-27s in flight condition. Among them were several MiG-27Ks in the 929th GLITs in Akhtubinsk and several vehicles that belonged to MAPO and were parked at the factory flight base in Lukhovitsy and Zhukovsky, where one of the MiG-23BNs and the “blue unit” - the first experimental MiG - were preserved -27M for the Indian Air Force, converted into a demonstrator of the possibility of modernizing the aircraft for export.

[Osipov9391]

For India, the MiG-21-93 was modernized on the Sokol. It didn't turn out bad.
In terms of armament and avionics, generation 2 migrated to generation 4+.

[Skeptic3]

Quote: Osipov9391

If it comes to an exchange of nuclear strikes, then we must keep in mind that

Here we must keep in mind that any comparisons of the nuclear potential of the parties do not make any sense.
The existing potential is sufficient for the repeated guaranteed and absolute destruction of the Russian Federation as a state. In a nuclear war, the Russian Federation can only lose, like the rest of the world.

[Skeptic3]

Quote: Alexey RA

and planning regular raids on them with monitoring the results.

To plan raids (any kind, not just regular ones), you must first ensure air supremacy over enemy territory.
Since this task has completely failed and, with the expansion of supplies of modern Western air defense systems, cannot be solved, then talking about any raids in some kind of “bright future” is Manilovism.

[Skeptic3]

Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy

Therefore, we will weigh all the pros and cons, we would simply declare a world boycott, which would support Beijing and Delhi

It was from these forecasts that the SVO was planned:
1) Ukrainians will piss and run away
2) Westerners will get dirty and sit straight on their ass

This was plan A. Well, as usual, there was simply no plan B.
So when plan A didn't work, what happened was what happened.

Now you have drawn up a plan for the use of nuclear weapons based on exactly these same forecasts. Plan B, excuse me, what is your plan? What if again these well-known forecasts turn out to be wrong? What then?

[Skeptic3]

Quote: ch28k38

And what, the manufacture of aircraft takes place according to mass production technologies, on a conveyor, like a Zhiguli?

Yes exactly. If you need to collect not ten pieces, but several hundred.

[Knell wardenheart]

Thanks to the author for the approximate data on aviation losses. Even if all these expert calculations are extremely inaccurate, there are fish for lack of fish and cancer...
In addition to losses due to elimination, it is also worth considering that the resource of the equipment participating in the SVO is consumed, and, therefore, the most “ancient” part of it will also be eliminated in some quantities. The current pace of production cannot be satisfied if the campaign continues for a period comparable to the past.

[VladMirU]

Quote: Essex62

This is because no one was going to fight with partners, and even today "they haven't started yet." Crimea-2 was conceived and failed. Now how will it work. The Russian comprador bourgeoisie did not expect the teachers to attack so cruelly.

They were deceived again.....

[VladMirU]

Quote: rocket757

It was very "cool" to hear, from some, that they were not preparing for this ... the question really begs, what were they preparing for ???
By the way, if the concept of "limit", as such, was not loudly criticized, then they specifically said that for our country, for our situation, it is not acceptable, in fact ... in all facts, historical, logical and others.
Someone from the top leadership decided that they are smarter than everyone, smarter than their ancestors, but it turned out ... so they ended up in a situation where the reserves are eaten up, and then, as before, it DEPENDS ONLY ON OUR PEOPLE what will happen next .

They are still smarter than everyone else. Who is “biting”, who is “clicking”, who “hasn’t even started to fight yet”, who is mired in “multi-steps”... Do you think people listen, read VO? Even if the weapons according to the list that Lloyd voiced were brought quickly to the theater of operations, there would be a big problem. What can we say about 2000-3000 aircraft.

[vsart]

“Only old men go into battle!”

Judging by the performance characteristics and combat use experience of the aircraft presented in the article, they are good “old guys”, most importantly proven. And as you know, “an old horse does not spoil the furrow.”

Considering that after the supply of Abrams and Leopards to Ukraine, the appetites of the Bandera-Russophobic, bloodthirsty servants of the United States increased and Ramstein has repeatedly discussed the supply of F-16s with mandatory, preliminary training for Ukroreich pilots, then, along with solving a complex of problems of tank countermeasures, The role and number of forces and assets of our glorious aviation, which is part of the Aerospace Forces today, is increasing.

And here the analysis, conclusions and suggestions in the attached article are very useful and timely. Especially in terms of the operational use for air defense purposes of aircraft mothballed under contracts with friendly countries that were postponed, and at the whim of the American adversaries.

The war will write off all sanctions costs, and, as you know, “winners are not judged.” Aviation is irreplaceable in modern warfare, both in active defense and during all types of offensive operations, especially when suppressing enemy air defense systems, as well as in the fight against tanks and other armored vehicles. We wish our pilots worthy victories and soft landings...

Soar, falcons of Russia,
Rus' is in danger again.
The adversary gathered all his strength,
To trample the Fatherland.

Fate has not given us the right
So that the enemy tramples the shrines.
Duty feeds the glory of the ancestors,
The call to victory has risen within us!

Rise up, Holy Rus',
Get up again to fight to the death.
The power of Truth, the spirit of Unity,
Proudly soaring over the country!

stihi.ru/2016/02/23/8050

[vsart]

“Only old men go into battle!”

Judging by the performance characteristics and combat use experience of the aircraft presented in the article, they are good “old guys”, most importantly proven. And as you know, “an old horse doesn’t spoil the furrow.”

Considering that after the supply of Abrams and Leopards to Ukraine, the appetites of the Bandera-Russophobic, bloodthirsty servants of the United States increased and Ramstein has repeatedly discussed the supply of F-16s with mandatory, preliminary training for Ukroreich pilots, then, along with solving a complex of problems of tank countermeasures, The role and number of forces and assets of our glorious aviation, which is part of the Aerospace Forces today, is increasing.

And here the analysis, conclusions and suggestions in the attached article are very useful and timely. Especially in terms of the operational use for air defense purposes of aircraft mothballed under contracts with friendly countries that were postponed, and at the whim of the American adversaries.

The war will write off all sanctions costs, and, as you know, “winners are not judged.” Aviation is irreplaceable in modern warfare, both in active defense and during all types of offensive operations, especially when suppressing enemy air defense systems, as well as in the fight against tanks and other armored vehicles. We wish our pilots worthy victories and soft landings...

Soar, falcons of Russia,
Rus' is in danger again.
The adversary gathered all his strength,
To trample the Fatherland.

Fate has not given us the right
So that the enemy tramples the shrines.
Duty feeds the glory of the ancestors,
The call to victory has risen within us!

Rise up, Holy Rus',
Get up again to fight to the death.
The power of Truth, the spirit of Unity,
Proudly soaring over the country!

stihi.ru/2016/02/23/8050

[Setubal]

Resultan datos muy alentadores para la industria aeroespacial Rusa
Indirectamente indica que hay mucho margen aun para crecer