The Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine threatened with criminal prosecution the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who confirmed the loss of Soledar

In Ukraine, a real scandal is flaring up around the reports of the Ukrainian military about the surrender of Soledar. Recall that the day before, a Ukrainian soldier with the call sign "Magyar" published a note where he said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had lost control over mine No. 7, after which the front went beyond the city limits. Translated into an accessible language, this means that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have completely lost control over Soledar. The loss of Soledar was also confirmed by other Ukrainian soldiers who managed to get out of the city alive in a westerly direction.

Anna Malyar, who is in the position of Deputy Minister of Defense, reacted harshly to these statements by the Ukrainian military.

According to the official of the military department, now it is necessary to talk about the applicability in Ukraine of the law on the disclosure of information on the movement of Ukrainian troops.

Anna Malyar:

Such disclosure provides for criminal liability, criminal prosecution, since only the General Staff and other official sources have the right to disclose this data.

Thus, the Deputy Minister of Defense actually calls on Ukrainians to believe not those who were directly in Soledar and fought there, but Ukrainian officials who are hundreds of kilometers away from the front line.

Painter:

In simple terms, I will say: there are still fights going on. Everything else is unverified and unauthorized information without understanding the overall picture of the battle. The General Staff draws up its reports in such a way as not to violate the military plans of Ukraine. And we will make it public, taking into account the context of all the information and the situation.

Behind these ornate formulations lies the only thought: Soledar’s Armed Forces have been lost, but Kyiv has not yet figured out how to present it in terms of information for those Ukrainians who “do not know how to use” other sources of information, except for the reports of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... Apparently, a statement is being prepared in the style "Soledar had no tactical or strategic value," as was already the case with such cities as Volnovakha, Lisichansk, and Severodonetsk.

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[voice of reason]

And for confirmation of the surrender of Artemovsk, they will probably immediately shoot on the spot! Of course, for the clown team, PR is more important than reality - they live in the country of pink ponies where everything is good and win after win.

[dmi.pris1]

That's when Artemovsk is released, then we'll see who they shoot there! But in fact, the bitter truth, as usual, no one likes

[voice of reason]

and you talked about Soledar word for word, I remember. That's when ... then and. , and when Soledar was released. now you are trying to belittle the victory and claim that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not flee from Soledar in a panic and did not fall into the cauldron, but surrounded in an organized manner. but how could they stumble if no one has given them the command to withdraw so far? They do not recognize that they have surrendered the city. and the result is "sockeye salmon" https://vk.com/video-213181913_456276596

[dmi.pris1]

To belittle the victory? Not at all. .This is just a small success, after a serious defeat in the same Kharkov region

[nik-mazur]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

.This is just a small success, after a serious defeat in the same Kharkov region

Hmm, that is, when ours left a relatively small territory with practically no losses, this is a serious defeat. And when the enemy loses about 25 thousand and abandons a fortified area that has at least operational significance, then this is a small success.
It’s wildly interesting, but what prevents you from thinking the other way around: that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had a small success near Kharkov, and a serious defeat in Soledar?

[Skif]

"what's stopping you from counting the other way around:". The painter interferes with them. Help!

[single-n]

1. We don’t really know anything about losses on both sides. How much did we lose during the regroupings, and how much during the long one. assault.
We also DO NOT know how much the Armed Forces have lost.
2. The abandonment of Izyum, which is of great strategic importance, and I’m not talking about Kherson, is never comparable to the occupation of a 7x1,5 km village. Moreover, in those months that the front is standing, you can build a second Maginot line. And even the capture of Bakhmut does not change anything strategically. Since after 20-30 km we run into no less large towns - such as Slavyansk or Kramatorsk. And if the presence of our troops in Izyum REALLY created the possibility of encircling / cutting off the ENTIRE group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass. And it itself would have abandoned these fortified areas leaving the "cauldron". Now we are forced to storm these fortifications in the "forehead"
In fact, after the regrouping, we completely lost the opportunity to quickly defeat the large forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine .. How much will WE lose by "gnawing through" the next lines of defense xs. But I hear a lot. Plus, such a major success greatly strengthened the spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And if in the spring a lot gave up or retreated. Now they stand to the last.
Therefore, it is not necessary to inflate the second Battle of Kursk out of general tactical success. There is success, but a tiny step towards the final result.

[alexmach]

Hmm, that is, when ours left a relatively small territory with practically no losses, this is a serious defeat.

This is where they left that relatively small territory? And compared to what? Half of the Kharkiv region is a relatively small area? Compared to Soledar? Moreover, with Izyum, which is an important transport hub, and created a springboard for covering Slavyansk with Kramotorsk? With Kupyansk, which was an important transport hub for supplying the entire group?
Yes, this is a serious defeat.

And when the enemy loses about 25 thousand and abandons a fortified area that has at least operational significance, then this is a small success.

Until now, those thousands that Ukrainians lose at the front have not changed anything during the operation. They make up for losses and freely maneuver reserves. And the area was fortified .. well, yes, they took it. For half a year, and even then not the entire line of defense. Along the way, losing 2 areas and 2 strategically important footholds. And behind him .. behind him in a couple of kilometers there will be the next one, along the Slavyansk-Kramattorsk line. There, too, will trampling in half a year be considered a great victory?

[alexmach]

and you talked about Soledar word for word, I remember. That's when ... then and. , and when Soledar was released.

And it only took half a year. After the capture of Severodonetsk-Lysichansk, I was very skeptical about the pace of advancement, but for some reason I thought that Soledar and Bakhmut should be dealt with in a couple of months. And it turned out just how.

[alex neym_2]

You can't hide the truth, like an awl in a bag! They think in what color to put the next "overcome" in front of the geyropa.

[Floke]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

That's when Artemovsk is released, then we'll see who they shoot there! But in fact, the bitter truth, as usual, no one likes

And the sweet lie "about the heroic defense of Soledar APU" will not be liked even more

[old]

And for confirmation of the surrender of Artemovsk, they will probably immediately shoot on the spot!

Why not? There are still a lot of people left. Moreover, the people themselves will approve these measures.

[APASUS]

Quote: voice of reason

And for confirmation of the surrender of Artemovsk, they will probably immediately shoot on the spot!

At this time, Anna Malyar and company will talk about the fact that they are taking the Kremlin by storm ..............................

[Hermit]

The Kremlin Ze and Co. have already burned down, they have already organized the appropriate brand, take pictures against the backdrop of another victory

[tihonmarine]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

And for confirmation of the surrender of Artemovsk, they will probably immediately shoot on the spot!

For the surrender of Artemovsk, they could have shot Zaluzhny, Reznik and Malyar.

[Lech from Android.]

The more Malyar puts the soldiers and officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in prison, the better ... keep it up Anna Malyar.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

The more Maliar puts soldiers and officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in prison, the better.

..yes, she would go to jail all the time, and herself, together with all the wards and the minister m-16, in her hands, over the shoulder of the jarvelin ..and on the edge of the martyr's belt and forward to Soledar

[Pravodel]

keep it up ... painter

Must not only plant, but also paint. She is a painter, she should be able to hold a brush and paint.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

She is a painter, she should be able to hold a brush and paint.

.... that is, as I understand it, I must paint Easter eggs !!! so Easter is still far away .... although the gender world is like that .. it will change everything at once ... and even more so the Kiev drug addict junta

[rotmistr60]

APU Soledar lost, but Kyiv has not yet figured out how to present it in terms of information

Well, why didn't they think of it. Already, even through foreign media, they are beginning to actively pursue the topic of the not-so-strategic and tactical importance of Soledar in general terms of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and even seditious thoughts have appeared about a possible organized withdrawal from Artemovsk. In the meantime, indeed, according to the Ukrainian media, the "heroes" in Soledar are still fighting to hold back the hordes of the "aggressor".

[Zoldat_A]

Gennady !

Quote: rotmistr60

Well, why didn't they think of it. Already, even through foreign media, they are beginning to actively pursue the topic of the not-so-strategic and tactical importance of Soledar in general terms of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and even seditious thoughts have appeared about a possible organized withdrawal from Artemovsk.

I have heard more than once that an ordinary Svidomo Ukrainian no longer knows who to believe and, surprisingly (!), they no longer believe Zelensky, not their own news, and not even Western ones. They do not row against the current in the stream of hostility that has swept over Ukraine. They trust Arestovich! This end of the world will blabber out as "small interruptions in the maintenance of the life of civilization."
So Arestovich already explained to them that

... the liberation of the city of Soledar by Russian troops is absolutely pointless and will not bring any benefit.

Involuntarily recalled

- Thank God, Inspector Lestrade is in charge. Newspapers write - the best inspector.
“Inspector Lestrade is a smug ass, Mrs. Hudson.
That's what The Times says...

The Times cannot be wrong.
Arestovich - also ...

[old]

I have heard more than once that an ordinary Svidomo Ukrainian no longer knows who to believe and, surprisingly (!), they no longer believe Zelensky, not their own news, and not even Western ones.

An ordinary Svidomo Ukrainian has no right not to believe Zelensky! Otherwise, the SBU may knock on the door and no one will know where the grave is .. This is not Yanukovych with a golden loaf (where is he, by the way - this loaf?)

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: old

This is not Yanukovych with a golden loaf (where is he, by the way - this loaf?)

In France, I was not interested in this topic, but now, in connection with Madame Zelenskaya's shopping and your question, I thought - are there pawnshops on the Champs Elysees?

- Listen, old man, do you accept jewelry in your jewelry store?
- Let's do it!

Maybe it's not in vain that she wanders around the world? Monetizes the "inheritance", so to speak ...

[YOUR]

In simple terms, I will say: there are still fights going on. Everything else is unverified and unauthorized information. without understanding the overall picture of the battle.

Those. The General Staff completely lost contact with units and subunits. There is no information, what is going on there is not in the know.

[Uprun]

To begin with, throw a handkerchief over the mouth of Western military correspondents .... There, all Western intelligence services work to quickly collect information ....

[Viktor Sergeev]

Don't you know that the Armed Forces of Ukraine control Crimea? Who says otherwise, on trial in Kyiv.

[FPEDDI_KPYGEP]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Don't you know that the Armed Forces of Ukraine control Crimea? Who says otherwise, on trial in Kyiv.

Since January 1, I have seen countless stories on TV that Ukraine will liberate Crimea, that there will be a powerful counteroffensive

[Alex242]

In Ukraine, a real scandal is flaring up around the reports of the Ukrainian military about the surrender of Soledar. Recall that the day before, a Ukrainian soldier with the call sign "Magyar" published a note where he said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had lost control over mine No. 7, after which the front went beyond the city limits. Translated into an accessible language, this means that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have completely lost control over Soledar. The loss of Soledar was also confirmed by other Ukrainian soldiers who managed to get out of the city alive in a westerly direction.

Such disclosure provides for criminal liability, criminal prosecution, since only the General Staff and other official sources have the right to disclose this data.

execution for loss of motivation, in other words, Ukrainians are not allowed to think with their brains,

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Zoldat_A

the liberation of the city of Soledar by Russian troops

Think about these words... Ukrainian Goebbels says that we have liberated Soledar... .

[rocket757]

The Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine threatened with criminal prosecution the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who confirmed the loss of Soledar

. There are plenty of such fools, if not everywhere, then almost everywhere.

[art having]

Yeah, execute the bastards! They look completely shell-shocked there ..

[Alexander Salenko]

Stomp in a westerly direction? Well, the APU will have more frostbite, there are solid fields. And the Painter-Plasterer can scare as much as he wants, one hell of a truth will come up, and then what?

[Incvizitor]

The grunts don’t need the truth, they are not sad that 25 thousand tailheads died, they are not sad that the city was leaked, they are sad that the Muscovites are laughing. And they are happy to be deceived.

[MuriKshef]

Phantom pains do not let go of Anna Malyar. She would have a brush and a bucket in her hands and her rightful place

[FPEDDI_KPYGEP]

When in March there were battles near my city, we had an arrival, a fragment broke the window and got stuck in the refrigerator, I took a photo and posted it on Facebook to the group of my town, instead of condolences and support, they insulted me and banned me, they said I was an agent of the Kremlin that I approve and I support the Russian army and do things that are beneficial to Russia and that I write in the language of Russian pigs, since then I have not logged into Facebook, it is a bunch of idiots.

[NSV]

Okay, Zaluzhny, and the rest of the generals, could... say something!!! But, this is a 404 pan-headed monster...!!! Really...and this is...ours...are they sister?!?

[tolmachiev51]

Everything is with saloeds, through one place !!! Separate gangs in the mines will "hunt" for another months, but the fact that Russians in the city are fakes. Second Mariupol.

[Nikolay-Nikolaevich]

No, we didn’t completely lose the pros.ali!

[Roust]

She should cook cutlets, wash pans, lie under a peasant at night, and not talk about men in the war.

[yuriy1863]

All members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who will be shot, posthumously present for an award ... x

[Dadaha]

I would have sat there myself, in the line of fire ,,,, sits for warmth in the office