The head of the Rheinmetall concern: If a positive decision is made, Ukraine will receive tanks in a year

Kyiv should not wait for immediate delivery tanks Leopard even if Germany decides to deliver them tomorrow. As the head of the Rheinmetall concern, Armin Papperger, explained, Ukraine will not receive tanks earlier than in a year.

The Rheinmetall concern will need up to a year to prepare Leopard tanks for transfer to Ukraine in case of a positive decision. According to Pappenger, in preparation for combat use, the tanks are completely dismantled and then reassembled. This is where the timing comes from. To date, the concern has 22 Leopard 2 and 88 Leopard 1 tanks.

This does not apply to armored vehicles in service with the German army or another NATO country, but the military is unlikely to transfer a large number of tanks from active units.

That is, we are not talking about those tanks that are on the balance sheet of the Bundeswehr or other NATO armies and are ready to be shipped. Another question is how many of these tanks Western countries will agree to remove from combat duty.

- said the head of Rheinmetall.

Earlier in Kyiv, they said that five countries are already ready to transfer Leopard tanks to Ukraine and are only waiting for permission from Germany for re-export. So far, Ukraine plans to form a brigade armed with German tanks. Meanwhile, in Berlin, they are still fighting back from all requirements for the supply of tanks, although there is an opinion that on January 20 at a meeting of NATO defense ministers the Germans will still be pressed.

So far, only the United Kingdom has announced the allocation of Challenger 2 tanks in the amount of 14 units. In addition, the British intend to supply Kyiv with 30 AS90 self-propelled guns and four Apache attack helicopters with Hellfire missiles.

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[voice of reason]

In short, everything was broken off from all sides. At first they hesitated and pressed for a long time. Then they promised "Bradley" but later explained that not immediately. And now with "leopards" the same parsley. Moreover, the Minister of Defense of Germany is being kicked out of retirement. And she's from Scholz's office. The "funny" cancer is losing ground ... Probably the burghers do not like to eat cold sausages in the dark, even hypothetically not wanting to suffer for the sake of an independent one ... A good vaccination was received at 45. As well as the Georgians in 08. They also do not want to get involved in the confrontation and return air defense. . Russia is the best manufacturer of vaccines against Nazism.

[Sergio_7]

The decision on the supply of tanks has been made, so they will be quickly provided to the outskirts!

[Ilya-spb]

In general, in the elderberry garden, in Kyiv - uncle)

Tanks will be placed. But a year later. When there will be no uncles in Kyiv)))

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Apparently it depends on the situation at the front. Ukraine is winning, there are many who want to supply weapons. Fails, supply delay begins

[Sarmat Sanych]

Sergio_7, it would be something to provide. Although this does not affect anything, the demilitarization of the NATO bloc is proceeding at a much faster pace than expected.

There will be no "tanks from NATO" IN A SIGNIFICANT QUANTITY, the West has a meager number of tanks, in Germany there are 168 Leopard2, and such a proportion in other large countries, and the States of "Abrams" will not be given away, because. they have been corny for 30 years without a tank industry, there is nothing to replace, and an extremely helpless and unreliable machine, especially for frost. But right now they have "Tigers" "Leopards! But right now they have "Challengers"! And "Abrams"!
Yeah. Owner countries (even Poland, which gave away all its Soviet weapons of all classes, it is demilitarized by ~ 70%), so far they only trample menacingly, imperceptibly pushing each other in the lower back - you are the first! no, you first! why me? - but with sending to a used one they are pulling.
And here's why: a tanker (driver) was trained in the Soviet army for six months. Another six months, already in the unit, he mastered the car for real. A Soviet, extremely simplified machine, and not a NATO [at the same time semi-defenseless] tank oversaturated with microcircuits ("Leclercs", for example, deaf, go blind and stop from hitting a blank on the forehead, so they never became famous from the word at all). Whom to put "by the levers"? Mykola from Ivano-Frankivsk? And a NATO crew of 300 tanks is a completely different story, even for the Poles.
(And yet, a terrible German secret: "Leopards" have not been produced for a long time. All lines are sharpened for modernization and an endless upgrade of the already existing number of cars, which is very small)))
In addition, as the Perdogan offensive on Al-Bab showed, the Leopards are burning like matches from Soviet anti-tank weapons)

Heh, the NATO stupid owners of 404 did not understand that it was already "truncated" - the tactics "the bear slowly eats the pig" have been worked out and there is nothing to stop them. Just like 2 fingers - ours are walking, drones, etc. reveal points - according to him, there are ... shields of art 50 thousand rounds per day, MLRS [MLRS, according to the CIA, we have 4100 pieces - more than 30% of all MLRS of the Earth], mortars - then tanks roll in [of which the VSR has 200% more than the US + EU + UK + Turkey combined], which complete what is left with direct fire, then the infantry comes. And the enemy’s lack of long-range missile systems makes it possible to group reserves and transfer equipment, ammunition, etc.
When the ukrovoyaks & mercenaries try in the same way, Caliber, Iskander, X-22 / X-32, Bastions hang in their rear, making it difficult to group a normal BTG in general. Then they try to go "what is" - again, our artillery, MLRS, mortars meet all the small things - and what is more armored - attack aircraft in the face of helicopters and attack aircraft (which ukrovoyaks finally don’t have, and by the way they won’t be, all destroyed).
As a result, the levelers & mercenaries get a faithful and slow *female organ*. Not only that - NO deliveries of armored vehicles (at least supply Abramov - finally don't care) will not give the ukrovoyaks an offensive. Yes, there is a chance that ours will be slowed down, but no more. How many Zalupny are there (as the US TV channel called him

[Alex777]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

the West has a meager number of tanks, in the same Germany 168 Leopard2

[Negro]

Not a very accurate picture. Let's say in Finland both combatant and non-combatant Leo2 are indicated. But then in Italy, for example, non-combatant Leo1 hectares.

[Negro]

)))

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

and the States of "Abrams" will not be given away, because they have corny for 30 years no tank industry,

Where did it go?

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

and an extremely helpless and unreliable car, especially for frost.

And how did the frost prevent the gas turbine engine?

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

even Poland, which gave away all its Soviet weapons of all classes, is demilitarized by ~ 70%

)))
Not all. But yes, all distant warehouses have been cleared.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

while they only trample menacingly, imperceptibly pushing each other in the lower back - you are the first! no, you first! why me?

Because the Americans traditionally should be the first.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

And here's why: a tanker (driver) was trained in the Soviet army for six months. Another six months, already in the unit, he mastered the car for real. A Soviet, extremely simplified car, and not a NATO [at the same time semi-defenseless] tank oversaturated with microcircuits

)))
The standard Ukrainian T-64 is harder to operate than any Leo. Even the SA spat on him - and these ridiculous dinosaurs have seen enough.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

And yet, a terrible German secret: "Leopards" have not been produced for a long time. All lines are sharpened for the modernization and endless upgrade of the already existing number of machines - a very small

Yes, the West has a large excess of tanks compared to current needs.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Heh, the NATO stupid owners of 404 did not understand that it was already "truncated" - the tactics "the bear slowly eats the pig" have been worked out and there is nothing to stop them.

Wow, how taking the third town in six months affects unbalanced people.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

MLRS [MLRS, according to the CIA, we have 4100 pieces - more than 30% of all MLRS of the Earth]

)))
The main owners of the MLRS are the Russian Federation and the DPRK. Even the Chinese and Indians don't do such nonsense.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

then there is a roll-over by tanks [of which the VSR has 200% more than the US + EU + UK + Turkey combined]

About 3 thousand. Yes, quite a lot. Third place after China and North Korea again.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

And the enemy’s lack of long-range missile systems makes it possible to group reserves and transfer equipment, ammunition, etc.

)))
Well, in the operational rear there are difficulties in this. But you are right, the Russian Federation has an advantage in strikes in the deep rear.
We saw how it realizes this advantage just yesterday.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Caliber, Iskander, X-22 / X-32, Bastions are looming in their rear, making it difficult to group a normal BTG in general.

Is it the old copy-paste "when the Russian army appears" or what?

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Not only that - NO deliveries of armored vehicles (at least supply Abramov - finally don't care) will not give the ukrovoyaks an offensive.

Yes? It would be embarrassing.

Well, let's wait and see.

[dorz]

In total, 1233 pieces are in Europe in varying degrees of readiness. Leopards.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

A teaspoon per hour, first four Challengers, then eight: and so on. And Russia can deliver nuclear weapons right now.

[svp67]

Kyiv should not wait for the immediate delivery of Leopard tanks, even if Germany decides to deliver them tomorrow. As the head of the Rheinmetall concern, Armin Papperger, explained, Ukraine will not receive tanks earlier than in a year.

oh, they will supply them from the presence of the Bundeswehr, and then Rheinmetall will compensate ... Otherwise, other countries are also ready to supply tanks from the presence of their armies. And so I think that they will "ask" for the M1 "Abrams" for a replacement

[Snowfall]

Quote: svp67

will be supplied from the presence of the Bundeswehr

Leopard-1A5 from the presence of the Bundeswehr will not be delivered. He doesn't have them. We are talking about 88 old Leopard 1A5 tanks in storage with the Rheinmetall group, the issue of transferring which to dill surfaced in the spring of 2022. These tanks, after decommissioning by the Bundeswehr, are in storage with Rheinmetall and the concern has only 3500 tank rounds of 105 mm caliber for them. Rheinmetall also has 22 Leopard 2A4 tanks in storage, which are offered to dill.

[Peter1First]

There were up to 1 licensed analogues of Leopard 1000 in Italy, though it’s not clear how many are left? And so if you scrape the bottom of the barrel, then I think there will be a lot of them!

[Sarmat Sanych]

It will not be scraped, they have long been either disposed of or dismantled. Greece has ~400 pieces of L1, of course, it will not give them away.

[svp67]

Quote: Snowfall

Leopard-1A5 from the presence of the Bundeswehr will not be delivered

68 Leopard 2A4 machines were purchased for upgrading to the A7V version from the availability of the Swedish army, and some of them have not yet been upgraded

[tralflot1832]

In case of a positive decision, the Rheinmetall concern will receive its employees in zinc coffins.ru. much earlier. We are not at all the people who believe that the smiling fascist ass is telling the truth. Leps will go earlier to Ukraine, with the Nazis who hate Russia.

[seamen2]

*Enough is enough! Tired! Know that the wolves ate the princess. I, however, do not want to fall into the mouth of a wolf *.
press release from Rheinmetall.

[Paul Siebert]

They will deliver.
But there is one caveat ...
Ukraine will cease to exist by August. According to the forecasts of various experts. Respected enough.
So Scholz followed in the footsteps of Khoja Nasreddin.
"Either the padishah will die, or the donkey will die ..."

[evgen1221]

By August, not by August, but until the stubborn ones run out, then until August we will only get to Kyiv.

[vadivm59]

what does the Germans have to do with their tanks. today on TV they said that the Poles will deliver 14 cats to Ukraine.

[Vladislav_2]

in a year, kuev will be divided (possibly like the DPRK) 38 parallel

[silberwolf88]

the pumping of weapons and equipment continues ... yes, yes, Germany needs a year BUT Poland and others even now ... just to compensate for the supplies

[evgen1221]

Disassemble, take out all the secret, assemble, paint and pass off as brand new. We can blow up an LNG tanker near the German borders. Boom well.

[cniza]

This does not apply to armored vehicles in service with the German army or another NATO country, but the military is unlikely to transfer a large number of tanks from active units.

Uh-huh, the United States will put pressure on and force them to give back from the existing arsenal ...

[Sarmat Sanych]

Even the annual open reports of the CIA on the stocks of weapons in different countries indicate the presence in the Russian Federation of 19 thousand tanks. At the same time, independent Western experts say that there are 22000 tanks in the Russian Federation - at least a third of all tanks on the planet. A planet that includes, in addition to NATO, and 1,4 billion China and one and a half billion India and Japan and South Korea and Iran and Egypt and Pakistan, all of Africa and the list goes on, that's how much power is concentrated in Russian hands alone.
For comparison, the entire NATO bloc (EU + USA + UK + Canada + Turkey) accounts for less than 11 thousand tanks. Plus, it is important to understand that neither the States nor Britain have tank production, the first has had it since 1992, the second has had it since 2006 (completely, even the factories have long been demolished and contractors for the supply of kits have disappeared as a phenomenon). Tanks in NATO are produced only by the FRG and France, but in extremely low batches, less than 10 for two per year.
For comparison, the tank capacities of the Russian Federation allow the production of more than 200 tanks annually.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Okay, comrades, enough for my first appearance this year at VO.

[Alexey Alekseev_5]

22 thousand is certainly good. About the same amount the USSR had in 41. Did it help us a lot?

[dnestr74]

Don’t star, the states have everything, the plant is quite capable and when ordering, it will immediately start riveting Abrams, that’s enough to make people out of it

[vladcub]

"19 thousand tanks", but which ones?
Here are the numbers I found: T90 M, 200 pieces, T90, T90a, 350 pieces (the last one in Syria turned out to be capricious, such was the information on the site,
T-80, "La Manche" tank, good and fast vehicles, but provided with outdated KAZ "Kontakt" or, at best, "Relic" system, they are easily amazed by modern outfit.
Ryabov had a big KAZ cycle, MOST of our tanks have outdated KAZ systems and control systems.
Such protection systems will not withstand not only Le2, but even the modernized Le1.
We have a quantity of cars inferior to the quality.
Ryabov's data

[Fizik13]

As I understand it, Rheinmetall will receive a positive decision at least in a YEAR. And already further, Ukraine will receive tanks for at least another year.

[AlexWar]

These tanks need to be built and they will cost millions and millions of euros. Most importantly, who will pay for them?

[vladcub]

In any case, not the local committee. He doesn't have that kind of budget.

[vladcub]

They may receive a positive decision in a few days, and the delivery time: "however, this is a completely different story" (c)

[ZVOnar]

And why should you disassemble the finished equipment and reassemble? Creaks and "bugs" will appear.

[IT Analyst]

... and you have to pay money right now? With 100% advance payment.
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[rocket757]

The head of the Rheinmetall concern: If a positive decision is made, Ukraine will receive tanks in a year

. In a year, either the donkey will die, or the shah will die - however, Eastern wisdom. There, however, the timing is somewhat different, but in our time everything can happen much faster.
In general, let's wait and see.

[AlexWar]

Well, these are new tanks, the question is immediately, who will pay for them? Rheinmetall won’t tell you later, you yourself delivered tanks to them, and pay for the banquet yourself

[16112014nk]

Kyiv should not wait for the immediate delivery of tanks ... tomorrow

As one character said in the movie "It Can't Be": "I said I'll give it back, so I'll give it back. Half. Then. Maybe."

[vladcub]

Apaches are also not "candy" .. It is not a question to prepare pilots. Experienced pilots will be able to retrain for Apaches in a month and a half. REN TV was once told about this. The main thing is the availability of simulators and good instructors

[dnestr74]

In short, everyone is sending a signal to Putin - finish it so that there is no Ukraine in a year ... Otherwise ....

[Negro]

From this news, the public learned that in addition to the conventional Leopard 2A4 tanks (produced by Krauss-Maffei Wegmann), Rheinmetall AG is ready to start deliveries of its Leopard 2 Revolution next year - a sophisticated modification of the Leo, which makes it one of the strongest tanks in the world. Here is such a handsome man.

However, neither the author of the news nor the commentators apparently can appreciate this.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Leopard 2 Revolution is a tweaked modification of Leo that makes him one of the strongest tanks in the world.

..... wow .. did he get AZ? equipped with CUV? and most importantly .... the specific load on the ground is reduced compared to the A7? .. if not ... then what kind of fright is he the best ????? .. except in the laundered bubble

[Negro]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

..... wow .. did he get AZ?

No, it's not a leclercoid.

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

equipped with CUV?

The Lakhats adapted the guns for 120 mm right away, but even the Jews themselves do not use them - there is not much point. At a line-of-sight range, the guns are more than enough, but there are other means beyond the horizon.

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

the specific load on the ground is reduced compared to the A7?

And why the hell would you lower it? In addition to Russian-speaking commentators, she doesn’t really interfere with anyone. Tea is a tank, not a swamp.

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

then which one is the best with a fright?

You can't tell everything. But yes, the level of A7 is approximately. Nothing better is out now.

[Kurganets-45]

whatever one may say, it's still the same leopard, nothing revolutionary

[bar]

The head of the Rheinmetall concern: If a positive decision is made, Ukraine will receive tanks in a year

If a decision is made, Poland will send its tanks within a few weeks.