British press: London plans to supply Kyiv with Apache attack helicopters with Hellfire missiles

The British government decided not to stop supplying Ukraine only tanks Challenger 2 and AS90 self-propelled artillery mounts, London plans to supply Apache attack helicopters to Kyiv. Mirror writes about it.

The British publication refers to an unnamed source in the defense sector, who reported on the plans of the United Kingdom Ministry of Defense to supply Ukraine with Apache attack helicopters. According to him, we are talking about four cars, Britain will not pull more. It is hoped in London that the shipment will show other NATO members how to proceed, as far more helicopters are needed to have any impact on the Russian military.

Apache will change the rules of the game. The tanks will arrive first and it will take some time before the helicopters can be deployed. Other NATO members will now follow suit.

- reports the publication.

Nothing is yet known about the timing of the delivery of helicopters, but judging by the publication, this will not happen soon. Helicopters are planned to be delivered to Ukraine along with Hellfire missiles to support the "desperate struggle" against the "Russian invaders". At the same time, a modification of the helicopter, which was used in Afghanistan, will go to Ukraine.

Earlier, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's office said it would send 14 Challenger 2 tanks and approximately 30 AS155 90mm self-propelled howitzers to Kyiv "in the near future". London intends to "change the rules of the game" with the supply of new weapons. The British plan that the supply of new equipment will help the Armed Forces turn the tide on the battlefield.

Comments

[andrewkor]

Small Britain, as always, rakes in the heat with the wrong hands !!

[Luka Nord]

The Englishwoman shits and is terribly afraid of Russia !!
We will come to you, as the IRA and Scotland !!
And we will avenge EVERYTHING!

[engineer74]

By the way, you need to carefully throw in the information that the Wagner PMC, at a secret training ground, is working out a landing from the sea and an assault with a sweep of London Then the probable "partners" will think about what to supply and what to keep
Jokes aside, only the creation of similar and adequate threats to potential "partners" will prevent the conflict from escalating.

[mitroha]

Quote: engineer74

PMC "Wagner", at a secret training ground, is practicing a landing from the sea and an assault with a sweep of London

It is necessary to throw in the information that PMC "Wagner" was forbidden to visit radioactive fields, London, including ..... Then, maybe they will think

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

On the contrary, it will give their propagandists a reason to squeal about the threat, and their generals to demand increases in military budgets.

[Nikolay310]

isn't it funny? if, at the rate of taking soledars for 3-4 months, you will reach the English Channel by the year 5000 ... maybe it’s enough to puff out your cheeks and fart in puddles? not February 25, 2022 in the yard ... soon the NWO will be a year old ... he will come ... we need to figure out our own affairs, the Russian Federation is still Donbass (and not only to restore) ...

and yes, the Scots are not such fools as to simply destroy the common market, communications, etc ... everything is fine with this independence. in 2014, without your help, there was already a referendum and supporters of independence lost

[tralflot1832]

I drank with the Scots more than once, the men are cool. Outside of tea, they say one thing. And when it comes to England, it’s completely different. They want them to be the main ones in England. They are not a submissive people, descendants of the Vikings. in Edinburgh, he drank in a family bar with 6 married couples, and in the background was J.K. Rowling herself in her difficult times. They forgot everything, Scotland was gone.

[Mikhail Drabkin]

Apaches with Hellfire

— Pilots are most likely "volunteers" from England.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Not necessarily. The SVO has been going on for almost a year, during which time it was possible to train crews for aircraft, helicopters, and tanks. Perhaps the West is supplying its equipment as Ukrainian specialists are ready.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

What side are they descendants of the Vikings? They are descendants of the Celts

[mitroha]

Quote: Nikolay310

if at the rate of taking soledars for 3-4 months you you will reach the English Channel by the year 5000 ...

And you Piglets will be finished by 2024. Think about it.

[Zug]

You would actually answer and not stoop to accusations and insults if you don’t like something. If you live in your own vacuum, go to the LPR yourself, as a volunteer or individually through the MO branch. I assure you: Your life will not be the same.

[mitroha]

Quote: Zug

You would actually answer and not stoop to accusations and insults if you don’t like something

Notice you do the exact same thing....
How about the straw and the log?

[Zug]

So you will go to the LPR then? There are not enough people in Barsy. People come and five hundred. You will be glad to be there. Here you can count the "patch" yourself. Just be careful, four of my brother were torn to shreds in one day. They couldn’t even find one head. A month fought ... log-straw

[mitroha]

Quote: Zug

There are not enough people in Barsy. People come and five hundred. You will be welcome there.

They themselves come, and then five hundred? Your grunting is not even funny.....Where are you sitting, pig?
And everything is fine in Bars, no matter how you would like it otherwise ..
How is your 46th airmobile, 61st infantry, tell me better

[Zug]

You see how you can bring clean water quickly .. A specialist in pigs? Well, it’s clear that you are from a pigsty ... although no, I kept pigs, they are more cultured))) And who is sitting in you in Barsy? My brother has a second business trip there, did you send your husband there?

[Anton Limonov]

How the rhetoric is changing - you won’t take it, they’ll lie to you all - well, they took it, we didn’t need it - look how long they took some village, it didn’t win

[Sergey3]

isn't it funny? if, at the rate of taking soledars for 3-4 months, you will reach the English Channel by the year 5000 ... maybe it’s enough to puff out your cheeks and fart in puddles? not February 25, 2022 in the yard ... soon the NWO will be a year old ... he will come ... we need to figure out our own affairs, the Russian Federation is still Donbass (and not only to restore) ...

If you could even watch a video on telegram about what was happening in Soledar, then you wouldn’t be talking nonsense here. There, with a fight, they took every meter, everything around was littered with frozen carcasses ...

[Zug]

Where is she afraid? Why should she, Britain, be afraid of us? What can we do to her?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Zug

What should she, Britain, be afraid of us? What can we do to her?

What, what ... If it is very tight, then we can glaze it. But the UK will not be able to us - the size is not the same: we inherited a very large country from our ancestors. This is what infuriates all kinds of "democratizers" and "civilizers" ...
England still Great Indian civilization must return the historical debts! To keep your head from moving.
AHA.

[Zug]

For the supply of 4 helicopters? You are serious, but there is not enough brains to wage a diplomatic war and squeeze out the interests of the country. It’s like Tributs-Ivanov considers only that victory if the mug is in the blood.

[Third district]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Quote: Zug
What should she, Britain, be afraid of us? What can we do to her?

What, what ... If it’s very tight, then we can glaze it

As they say, the legend is fresh, but it's hard to believe ... After all the gestures of goodwill and deals, where there is always an aligarh who has his own interests in small Britain. And besides him, there are enough interested parties. Until now, the Ukrainian railway infrastructure is working and all the equipment and ammunition from Western partners regularly get to the front. There already and NATO tanks will arrive soon. And TV propagandists and Internet haters and guards say that we will grind everything. They can only grind with tongues. The harm now from these guards is no less than from Bandera. And maybe more. If it is forbidden to destroy bridges in Ukraine, then what can we say about some kind of England. Although the Ukrainians themselves destroy their bridges when they need it.

[g_ae]

In London, "ours", in London it is impossible. And the citizens of whose countries in the family of the blizzard Peskov have to be?

[sgrabik]

To completely wipe out the UK, and this is not intimidation, this is a very specific warning.

[Peter1First]

The fact that crap - I completely agree! I shit on SP-1 and SP-2, on the Black Sea Fleet, on the Crimean bridge, and much more where! -Now he wants to spoil our tanks with Apache long-range anti-tank systems! But how much she is afraid of Russia is a moot point .... -as with that very English mercenary who put all the decorum with the device and returned to the front to fight with Russia further!

[Lis_Domino]

already gone... or so... bubbles in the bathroom?

[seamen2]

* The Englishwoman shits and is terribly afraid of Russia !!
We will come to you as the IRA and Scotland !!*
And right now, we're not coming. what are we waiting for.

[voice of reason]

Previously, small Britons gave muskets to sepoys so that they fought for their interests. Now here's a few pieces of different weapons. Moreover, it clearly does not have any influence on the course of hostilities. They will receive only anti-advertising of their weapons and reputational losses. Well, in the event of a war for the Falklands with Argentina, they themselves weaken their arsenal. And we will take and supply alligators to Argentina. Or some kind of mi-24 ... But better air defense to shoot down Apaches

[Zug]

Why does Argentina need the Mi-24? Scream))) And why did you get the idea that the Falkland Islands are eager to become part of Argentina. I will disappoint you. subjects of Britain. And being subjects of Britain and Argentina are, as it were, slightly different things)))

[dmi.pris1]

I want to note that these four Apaches are by no means a symbolic delivery. Further, the Americans from storage can throw more than a dozen. Here, many will say that time is working for us. our guys at the front

[Peter1First]

Quite right! At first, they also talked about Himars - what can these few pieces of MLRS be able to do? -and they did! The same with Apache - they have very good anti-tank missiles - this is practically the same Javelin, but operating at a great distance! In addition, the helicopter itself is armored!

[Askold65]

Quote: Zug

I will disappoint you. NOBODY from the Falklands GENERALLY has any desire to join Argentina under the loss. Because the inhabitants of the Falklands are, in fact, subjects of Britain.

But I will say more: evil tongues say that the main dream of a local Falkland woman is to jump out to marry a brave English sailor and dump on the mainland in the metropolis from these godforsaken f.....th.

[Vodila]

Each delivered tank, helicopter, cannon, machine gun, etc., is dozens of lives of our men. And you say anti-advertising.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: andrewkor

Small Britain, as always, rakes in the heat with the wrong hands !!

So what? Well, they were called. Feel better? What's next? Give up? The excuse is almost ready.
You may not give up. But for this you need to work. Work, not trend. So I don't see any work. I see one trend.

Words don't do things!

[Zug]

So what's stopping us from raking in the heat? - If only there was enough frailty ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

Small Britain, as always, rakes in the heat with the wrong hands !!

The Englishwoman spoils and will spoil, this is her nature, the question is why we don’t spoil, if not in advance, then at least in response? Why don't we assemble a team of "anti-bastards" and continue to dartagnanize alone?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: andrewkor

Small Britain, as always, rakes in the heat with the wrong hands !!

Rather: - Adds fuel to the fire!

[Boycott]

Small Britain, as always, rakes

The cat gnashes on its back. The Britons somehow forgot that after each war their influence in the world decreased. trend, however.

[tralflot1832]

Any rotorcraft pilot can take off and show off on Apache in Ukraine. And what about the weapons operator pilot. There may be a Scot. The salary will not be frail.

[WUA 518]

As the most technically advanced helicopter in the world, the Apache was also the heaviest to fly. The selection for the eighteen-month retraining course was even more severe than the selection for the special forces. Of the 800 pilots of the Army Air Corps, only twenty-four could enter the elite of the corps, six squadrons that received on the Apache, during the year - 3 per cent cream of all pilots of the British army aviation. There was no end to the candidates, the instructors could get twice as much if they wanted. But the bar of requirements could not be lowered, or the pilots would start to fall on their feet.
Training each Apache pilot from scratch costs £3 million (a custom made helmet alone costs £22,915). The first six months were allotted to study the machine and control it, the next six, how to fight on it, and only after the last six months the pilot was considered ready to go into battle. And that's if you were already a fully qualified, combat-trained army helicopter pilot. If not, you needed an additional four months of ground and fixed wing flying training at RAF Barkston Hayes, six months of helicopter flight training at RAF Shawbury, six months of tactical flying training at the Army Air Forces School. aviation and finally a sixteen week course in Survival, Evasion and Interrogation Resistance, courtesy of the most energetic training staff of the Intelligence Corps. Only three years.
"I hope it won't be as violent as you and the Yankees," I told Billy the first day. He smiled.
It was the most difficult thing I have ever done or will ever do. Many of the best pilots I knew failed to complete their Apache retraining course. Crunchi has been an instructor for twelve years. He failed. Paul was the chief drill officer for the entire regiment and he failed. Mack was a pilot from the Blue Eagles demonstration group and in its composition he became a Commander of the Order of the British Empire. He also failed.
Why was this car so demanding of its owner? In short: because of the unimaginable need to multitask. Flying the Apache in combat was like playing with Xbox, Playstation and Chess master at the same time - while riding the biggest roller coaster in Disney World. American researchers found that only a very small percentage of human brains could do everything necessary to control this machine at the same time.
Information overload was the biggest problem. At least ten new events had to be registered, processed and taken into account every few seconds that you were in the cockpit. We were constantly bombarded with new information - from flight instruments, radio traffic on four radio frequencies simultaneously, internal intercom, weapon guidance systems, defense system and Longbow radar.
In addition, there were events outside the cockpit. We had to know the position of our wingman, the location of other Allied helicopters and aircraft, note the position of small arms flashes on the ground, remember the positions of friendly ground forces, and maintain visual observation of the target.
And all this was not for a minute or two, but for three hours without a break. Miss one vital element and you killed yourself and your co-pilot at the same time.
American pilots called Apache flying dragon racing. If you made a mistake or annoyed the car, it would turn around and bite you. Keeping your cool was even more important than a good pair of eyes and ears - the ability not to panic, no matter what happens, is what was required of you.
The second big problem was physical coordination. Flying an Apache almost always meant arms and legs doing four different things at the same time. Even our eyes had to learn to work independently of each other.
The monocle sat permanently opposite our right pupil. A dozen different instrument readings all over the cockpit were projected into him. At the click of a button, a range of other values ​​could also be displayed in a green flickering light as symbols, duplicating the image from the TADS or PNVS cameras and targets from the Longbow radar.
The monocle left the pilot's left eye free, allowing him to look outside the cockpit, saving him a few seconds in which he could glance down and then back at the instruments; seconds that could mean the difference between your death and the death of an enemy.
The new pilots suffered terrible headaches as the left and right eyes competed for dominance. They started within minutes, long before takeoff. If someone confessed to them, he would be immediately dismissed as an instructor, so none of us ever did. Instead, you had to "mobilize" and continue.
When the eyes began to adapt in weeks and months, headaches began to appear later. A year later, they disappeared completely. But a few weeks later they returned again, if high concentration was necessary - when flying at low altitudes, in general formation, in bad weather, flying under supports, searching for and approaching the enemy.
It took me two years to learn to "see" properly - as you see in the "Apache" world. I once filmed my face with a video camera in flight, as an experiment. My eyes moved independently, like those of a possessed person.

[Zug]

Cool, thanks for the text))) Eyes in different directions .... HORRIBLE!

[Arbeiternegast]

Thank you! Good description of the complexities of preparation! So the British "Apache" will not fly xx'ly ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: WUA 518

He also failed.

If these appear in our Donbass, then they will fail completely! And they won’t have to endure anymore ... well, if only in captivity (if they are very lucky!) They can “relax” and rest ... But, most likely, they will rest in the next world.
AHA.

[spirit]

Something I can’t believe in this fairy tale) The Ka50 had one pilot and did nothing, Apache has the most modern automation equipment and 2 pilots! I don’t believe in this fairy tale

[Von_Schmidt]

Therefore, the Ka-52 came up with the idea that one pilot cannot act as efficiently as possible

[Von_Schmidt]

And there is only one pilot, the second operator, the control is possibly duplicated, but they do different things

[Peter1First]

So it’s clear that these Apaches in Ukraine will be controlled by non-Ukrainian pilots at all - this is even worse for us! In skillful hands, these are excellent anti-tank helicopters, and with well-placed NATO reconnaissance and target designation, they can create many problems for our tankers and motorized riflemen!

[sgrabik]

With good target designation for our air defense systems, these Apaches will not be able to fly for a long time.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Guys, read less fairy tales. AN-64 is far from the best. Quite an ordinary car that was simply promoted in the American style.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Everything is just the opposite. The armament there is designed for the sergeant level. But with piloting there will be an ambush.

[Nexcom]

Equipment without operators and crews does not work by itself. Where Svidomo will take so many well-trained tankers, helicopter pilots and their shooters, etc. ??? With Western technology, it’s not to train on the T62 for half a month. Send new geese??

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Nexcom

Equipment without operators and crews does not work by itself. Where Svidomo will take so many well-trained tankers, helicopter pilots and their shooters, etc. ??? With Western technology, it’s not to train on the T62 for half a month.

So from the very beginning of the conflict all over Europe began to grow like mushrooms after the rain, the training camps for military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it seems that the helicopter pilots are already entering the finish line

[FoBoss_VM]

Artamonov said back in August that crews for leopards and pilots for f16 were already being trained at the Ramstein base. It is quite possible for Apaches. Played with tolerance. The West, step by step, checked the thresholds of what was permitted, Putin did not react in any way. And here is the result .. If at first they even felt the transfer of small arms, only medicine and equipment went, then after a year of the war they no longer hesitate to declare tanks and aviation. I think the matter will not be limited to this if Putin does not take obvious steps to suppress it.

[Chronos]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

Artamonov said back in August that crews for leopards and pilots for f16 were already being trained at the Ramstein base. It is quite possible for Apaches. Played with tolerance. The West, step by step, checked the thresholds of what was permitted, Putin did not react in any way. And here is the result .. If at first they even felt the transfer of small arms, only medicine and equipment went, then after a year of the war they no longer hesitate to declare tanks and aviation. I think the matter will not be limited to this if Putin does not take obvious steps to suppress it.

Yes, they do not check any thresholds of what is permitted. Stop this nonsense. There is only one criterion for deliveries: if xxxls do not win with what they have, more must be given. If they don’t give something, it’s because they still can’t, or xxxls can’t master it. Our reaction is not interesting to them initially. The only limiter is that there should be no nuclear war. Now NATO tanks have gone, because the Polish and Czech T72s are running out. And helicopters will go, because xxxls have almost no aviation. They don't have attack helicopters at all. Everything is simple.

[Qas]

Why didn't Putin react? Vaughn, Lavrov regularly stated "concerns" on various occasions ...
Remember Mowgli Kipling? Akella missed, Akella missed ... So our Akella (GDP) is no longer the same, they are no longer afraid of him ... Akella needs to rest ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Qas

So our Akella (GDP) is no longer the same, they are no longer afraid of him ... Akella needs to rest ...

And how are you going to defeat the united West without Akella (our military-industrial complex)? When you write, you need not only to knock on the clave, but also turn on your brains! (at least occasionally...)

[lucul]

The West, step by step, checked the thresholds of what was permitted, Putin did not react in any way. And here is the result .. If at first they even felt the transfer of small arms, only medicine and equipment went, then after a year of the war they no longer hesitate to declare tanks and aviation. I think the matter will not be limited to this if Putin does not take obvious steps to suppress it.

Have you ever thought about the fact that ours are deliberately drawing NATO into the conflict? There is no change in the world order without war, and the United States to fight in Ukraine is an incredibly long logistical shoulder for them.

[private person]

Where Svidomo will take so many well-trained tankers, helicopter pilots and their shooters, etc.

So they were prepared in advance before the official announcement of the deliveries, because the war has been going on for almost a year. And there are also "volunteers" from Natu who are not averse to fighting for a reward.

[Nexcom]

Sooner or later, Svidomites will have to face a shortage of drugs. It's not right now and maybe not this year. But it will.

[private person]

Sooner or later, Svidomites will have to face a shortage of drugs.

In vain you hope that their population is not much smaller than ours, but already this hour a lot of motley rabble is fighting on their side. Who will help us?

[South Ukrainian]

Quote: private person

In vain you hope they don’t have a much smaller population than ours

In Ukraine, today there are about 20 million people left of them, no one is eager to fight, believe me, I live here and see everything from the inside. Those who left, "you can't lure them to the war with a roll." The rabble is certainly present, but the more they kill, the less desire the rabble has to fight. So let's see.

[private person]

none of them is eager to fight, believe me,

I readily believe that we in Russia also don’t particularly want to fight, mostly those who have material difficulties or family problems go. I know now they will bombard me with minuses, but the ideological ones were mainly at the beginning of 8-9 years ago.

[sgrabik]

They don’t judge others by themselves, such miserable woodpeckers as you are with us, Thank God, they are a minority !!!

[Dartik]

Quote: sgrabik

They don’t judge others by themselves, such miserable woodpeckers as you are with us, Thank God, they are a minority !!!

To the front!

[Al manah]

They are torn, not torn, but no one has canceled mobilization, and it is by no means voluntary.

[gromit]

If we assume that the Minsk agreements were only a cover for preparations for war, then it is undoubtedly worth assuming that the retraining of the Ukrainian military for NATO equipment has been going on for several years.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Equipment without operators and crews does not work by itself. Where Svidomo will take so many well-trained tankers, helicopter pilots and their shooters, etc. ??? With Western technology, it’s not to train on the T62 for half a month. Send new geese??

Where does such confidence come from that Western technology is more complex and perfect?

[private person]

Where does such confidence come from that Western technology is more complex and perfect?

I agree with you. It's like after our Zhiguli to change behind the wheel of a new foreign car. At first, with uncertainty and apprehension, and then you quickly get used to the good.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I understand that you have nothing else to compare with other than Lada and foreign cars, but in the field of helicopter construction, the Americans are far from us.
By the way, while working under the UN line, our helicopter pilots had to intersect with Western ones. It was not enough to try out each other's technique in the air (which has dual controls). So, Western helicopter pilots very quickly mastered Soviet aircraft. And they were delighted with them.
Ours had a harder time. The thing is that there is a different direction of rotation of the propeller, and hence the moments are different, which are less convenient to compensate, plus we have a more advanced autopilot that greatly simplifies piloting.

[Maxim G]

And what did our people say about Pumas, Gazelles, Squirrels (ICQ)?

[sgrabik]

Unlike our automotive industry in the military sphere, such a comparison, to put it mildly, is not at all correct.

[ximkim]

The stakes are going up.
Since the war will last another year, and it will come to fantons.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: ximkim

The stakes are going up.
Since the war will last another year, and it will come to fantons.

And there is the F-16, Atamiks, and other military charms

[incognoto]

with fighters, not everything is so simple .. they must take off from somewhere .. this complicates their operation.

[Arbeiternegast]

You can take off from Polish airfields .. And the operation will be easier, not under threat x22.

[incognoto]

this is already World War 3 .. since there will be direct participation of NATO countries .. I don’t think that they are ready for such a decision ..

[Osipov9391]

They have been flying from Polish and Romanian airfields for 12 months now. service there.
And military transport aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine carry cargo from Europe to Poland.
And nothing will happen to anyone.

[incognoto]

military transport aircraft, but no fighter aircraft

[Osipov9391]

Fighter and assault (like the Su-24) also fly.
Then landing at the airfield of Western Ukraine or the highway of Central Ukraine where the plane is already waiting for a tanker and a car with missiles.
Then they fly to the front line.
If they survived, they return in the reverse order or lead them to hangars at abandoned airfields.

[Pavel57]

4 helicopters, as a provocation to the states for the supply of aviation.

[Optimus Prime]

And what and when will they send, when will the ukrovoiny end? Maybe it's time to openly against Russia? so the West will at least "save face". Or is it so on purpose, when the last ukrovoyaks are knocked out, then the Abrams will go and the ships ?. And most importantly, help will come only it will be too late)))). The poor things so want to defeat Russia by proxy that they begin to believe in it !!!

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Yes, hit you already in Kyiv so that the glass on Downing Street flew out.

[incognoto]

this will not change our goals, again an attempt to psychologically influence the population. 4 pieces, well, they definitely won’t make the weather, even if they are still delivered from other countries, this does not mean that we should relax, but we shouldn’t overexert ourselves either. there is a war..

[Nikolay310]

it’s definitely not worth overexerting yourself on sofas ... but Gerasimov and Co. should think about it ... if there is something ...

[incognoto]

what do you suggest to panic? in this case you are clearly working for the enemies..

[Al manah]

And what, did we have someone officially declared an enemy? If it doesn't make it difficult, please throw off a link to officialdom.

[incognoto]

and you do not understand who our enemies are? can't you guess without a link?

[Dismas]

If "Al Manah" on the morning of June 22, 1941, took the fight as part of the border detachment, he would have been perplexed about who he was fighting with ... until Molotov's official appeal to citizens and women of the Soviet Union :). Or he continued to sleep in general, but there was no reference to "officialdom".

[Kaufman]

Well, this window has opened .. now armored vehicles and helicopters. Apparently by April all this will arrive and the staff will be trained. Tanks, self-propelled guns, helicopters.

[Nikolay310]

and there it will soon come to the planes ... if there is no reaction. and naturally it will not be from a "lover of negotiations"

[YOUR]

30 self-propelled guns is not just unpleasant, it will be sensitive. 4 helicopters is nothing. They will immediately open a hunt for them or they will, like patriots in the depths of the country, show the "miracles" of piloting.

[Nikolay310]

4 helicopters, like the first batches of foreign tanks, is a trial balloon ... a few months ago there was even no talk about tanks, they say we don’t want to get involved ...

but gestures of good will, grain deals, regroupings in accordance with the plan ahead of schedule and the Dnieper drape of "Armageddon" did their job ... Russia continues to demonstrate weakness. and the weak are beaten

[andrei2911]

I don't understand why you are downvoted? Say the obvious things.

[1razvgod]

The crown of the hat throwers and the bloated self-conceit hurts, not everyone likes the obvious, because then you have to think

[28st region]

These conversations have been going on since September. After the Poles handed over more than a hundred T-72s and with their help, the Ukrainians organized a counteroffensive.

[rotmistr60]

London plans to supply Kyiv with Apache attack helicopters

Oh, how a native Indian under British rule got pissed off. From tanks and self-propelled guns has already moved to helicopters. Uneven hour will talk about tactical nuclear weapons.

Apache will change the rules of the game

Maybe let's go back to March last year and remember what has already tried to "change the rules of the game": Javelins, Bayraktars, three 7s, Hymers, tanks .. And now Apache will definitely bring "victory". As if instead of "victory" there was an incident from the Russian air defense. Have the crews already started preparing or will you send your own? There, Prince Harry boasted about how he fought in Afghanistan. The British are simply starting to freak out from their impotence, hence such statements one after another.

[Nexcom]

Soon there will be a ukrosekta of Apache admirers, they will begin to call children Apaches, they will begin to paint icons .....

[gromit]

"Maybe we can go back to March last year and remember what has already tried to" change the rules of the game ": Javelins, Bayraktars, three 7s, Hymers, tanks .. "

We can return, at the same time remember that the SVO is going according to plan, exclusively by the forces of contractors.

[Fizik13]

British press: London plans to supply Kyiv with Apache attack helicopters with Hellfire missiles

But doesn’t want to supply its decrepit aircraft carrier London to Kyiv?
Most likely, until the time has come, appetite comes with eating.

[Nikolay310]

and how did the jingoistic public rejoice over the departure of Boris Johnson ... well, without Johnson, support for Ukraine has decreased ???

stop living in hopes for a miracle from the West. no one will give us deliverance. We can only win

[rocket757]

Come on, many hoped that Lizka would play tricks longer ... although, those who are in the know, they think they immediately said that one fig, it will not be better in anything and never. By the way, about Sunak they immediately said, in advance, that he is much more dangerous than the others.
In general, referring to some idiots who drank champagne, now for one, then for another, what did you want to say? What do we not understand correctly what is happening in the world, in our country???
Everything is the same everywhere, society is divided in many ways, c. including and by the presence of common sense.

[ximkim]

Quote: BlackMokona

Quote: ximkim

The stakes are going up.
Since the war will last another year, and it will come to fantons.

And there is the F-16, Atamiks, and other military charms

As needed.
They will rush as long as Putin is president (this is just a gift for the West).

[sanik2020]

Here are the Apaches, chieftons, leopards, and we still didn’t really start to fight.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: sanik2020

but we still didn’t really start to fight.

For me, it's time to take up the mind ... And then you can play out to the handle, or rather to the nuclear button ... For there will be no other way out.
In fact, the contra had to be strangled in the cradle. When the Ukronazis crawled out to the Maidan from their Transcarpathian caches!
But not fate... Everyone tried to propitiate, not to aggravate... So they got to the point of bloody boys! Therefore, you should not wait for the second coming of the Antichrist: you need to chop off the head of the reptile until it has crawled away far and has not gained strength.
In my humble understanding, everything will start in the next month or two and end by the end of 23 years. While we have priority in the GZO ... and the States are busy with elections and China ...
IMHO.

[rocket757]

Earlier, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's office said it would send 14 Challenger 2 tanks and approximately 30 AS155 90mm self-propelled howitzers to Kyiv "in the near future". London intends to "change the rules of the game" with the supply of new weapons. The British plan that the supply of new equipment will help the Armed Forces turn the tide on the battlefield.

. They beat the impudent people so many times, kicked them out from almost everywhere ... they itch, they jumped, although they push others, but they themselves are only ready to give up small things. Everything as usual.

[Pravodel]

London plans to supply Kyiv with Apache attack helicopters

It would be nice not to finish off one of these and capture it. Our defense industry should be formed on bourgeois weapons ...

[thepuppeteer]

A different Disney Story.
They have no pilots who are capable of flying Apache!
They have a few Mercenaries pilots and CIA pilots most of them flying private jets for luxury shopping and Livestyle Ukraine elite and political Entourage.. To London, France, Brussel, Yes luxury most go on even in war times..

[Nexcom]

I think Britains will send Prince Harry as a bundle.

[Arbeiternegast]

So the pilots of the "volunteers" will be sent along with the Apaches ...

[al3x]

At this pace, neither today nor tomorrow, the yellow-blue ones will have missiles with a tactical special charge. And the nutcrackers of every spill will announce to us that we will snap this one too. Maybe the surgeon misunderstands something in operations?

[al3x]

Well, you are one of the nutcrackers, chippers and urapatriots .. the commander of the combat sofa. So, what is next? Narami here he decided to threaten. You see bruising without biting.
Ps. If you did not know, then the nutcracker is an extremely positive character, bewitched, true, but positive.

[Lech from Android.]

The British government is slowly going crazy.

[opuonmed]

Pathom sama turntables and long-range missiles

[km-21]

We can be indignant and indignant, but the trend so far is not in our favor. The supply of Western weapons to Kyiv today is limited by the political, economic, technological and production capabilities of the West. It is no secret that these capabilities significantly exceed those of Russia (even in combination with Iran and North Korea). And if this trend continues, then sooner or later the West will crush us with its mass.

In order to avoid such a prospect, Russia should use an additional restrictor on the supply of Western weapons. The only such limiter is the threat of destruction of Western Europe by Russian nuclear weapons. But this threat will have to be not only declared, but also demonstrated. For example, inflict a warning single nuclear strike on Polish Rzeszow.

If Russia does not do THAT in the near future, it will face big problems on the Ukrainian front, which will lead to huge irreparable losses among our fighters and corresponding problems in the entire Russian society. After that, the probability of ending the war with an acceptable result for Russia will significantly decrease, and it will become more and more difficult to return it to the required level every day.

[alexey_444]

And thoughts don’t come to you that the Americans want exactly this and we would bang a nuclear, then surely any spending by the Americans will pay off with the escaped European business and the maturation of new Hitlers in this bacchanalia (not funny Zelensky)

[km-21]

Quote: alexey_444

this is exactly what the Americans want us to bang with a nuclear

The Americans really do not want this, because it will put them before a choice between recognizing Russia's right to its rightful place under the Sun or the death of the entire planet in a nuclear apocalypse. And since the Americans really want to live, they will have to put up with a slap in the face in the form of the destruction of the logistics hub in Rzeszow. And this will be their defeat.

[sgrabik]

Nuclear weapons, even operational tactical ones, are the last and most weighty argument, so far we are quite successfully coping without them, but if such a need really arises, then we will use it without any doubt or undue hesitation.

[km-21]

Quote: sgrabik

Nuclear weapons, even operational tactical ones, are the latest and most weighty argument, while we are quite successfully coping without them.

You may be able to cope, but the families of the dead and maimed guys may not agree with you.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: km-21

For example, inflict a warning single nuclear strike on Polish Rzeszow.

This is a nuclear war with NATO, including the USA and England ...
Maybe for a start, cut off the supply channels of the U-country by cutting 5 lines of entry into territory 404 from Poland and Romania through Moldova? And it would not be superfluous to strike from Belarus in the direction of Transnistria ...
As V.S. sang Vysotsky - It's not evening yet! Therefore, let's see what happens without the use of "radical" means.
AHA.

[km-21]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

This is a nuclear war with NATO, including the USA and England ...

Neither the US nor England will want to die for the sake of the Polish Rzeszow or any other city of SECOND-class Europeans. Therefore, a limited nuclear war on the territory of Poland, Romania, the Baltic states and other non-Europeans is quite acceptable. It is impossible to bomb only the USA, England, France, and (of course) Russia and Belarus. Everything else is possible, and it will not lead to a nuclear apocalypse. But THIS will clear the minds of some Europeans and Americans who hope to defeat Russia with conventional weapons, and that Russia will not respond with nuclear weapons.

[Dartik]

Quote: km-21

Neither the US nor England will want to die for the sake of the Polish Rzeszow or any other city of SECOND-class Europeans.

Yes, yes, he also spoke about the Armed Forces of Ukraine. No one will fight for Zelensky and the Nazis, everyone will run. And what, did you run? Why won't they answer? Think with your head, if Russia does this, it will lose the last of its allies and even China will turn its back. I don't think I need to explain why.

[Dartik]

To avoid such a prospect, Russia should activate an additional restrictor on the supply of Western weapons.

You understand that they will also answer us, for example, they will demolish Yekaterinburg? And then what? We destroy each other and humanity rolls back a thousand years because we cannot win? The height of selfishness.

[Suslin]

The Britons continue to provoke NATO countries to spend more and more to help the Hohlobanderites. 14 tanks, 4 turntables - this is nothing in a real war. And the noise is the noise!

[al3x]

You then take off your pink glasses and raise your combat cheer-hat. All these 4, 10, 14, 40, 50 units together turn into hundreds and thousands. And they haven't even started yet. What nonsense is in the minds of people like you talking about new deliveries of NATO weapons to Ukraine, that this is all nonsense, let's flip it. It will kill our men. It's not clear, is it? It is necessary to have a snack, maybe the brain will think more clearly.

[Andron78]

Of all the deliveries, long-range missile and artillery systems pose the most serious threat. Everything that should work at the forefront is disposable, not because of poor equipment, but because over the year our military has gained invaluable experience in combat operations and hardened in battle.

[alexey_444]

Apaches are good, in Iraq, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan, a lot fell without outside help. For single sabotage, they will still do, but it’s useless to use our air defense ass on the front end to bring them down, the reward will be appropriate. Modern ones will not be supplied with long-range ATGMs, after all, secrets.

[evgen1221]

OK. So, according to (international law), helping the Kukuevites with weapons is good. Well, they can help us with weapons and people then, and precisely on the same basis.

[sgrabik]

And in response to this, we need to put more modernized SM Shells, Beeches and Thors into our troops, for them helicopters are the easiest and most desirable targets.

[VB]

And, I’m embarrassed to ask, will tanks, helicopters, guns be delivered so freely? And the air defense of Bandera will not be destroyed in any way? Bridges, roads, tunnels and will stand? A new word in military affairs, the conduct of war in the Gerasimov and Shoigov style. How many fighters will fall? Will they attack in the forehead in the DPR? Ball "Brusilovsky breakthrough", and now Shoigovsky tramp.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Even if they start delivering, the AN-64 will not make any weather. There is a lot of advertising noise around these machines, but in fact they are inferior to the Mi-24. First of all, because the main way they use ATGMs is hover launches.
By the way, we have the main losses of helicopters just when the admirers of Western tactics tried to use it.

[Ghost1]

Any delivery is met with the words "weather does not." But if nothing had been delivered, the front would have stood just like it is now .... In fact, some delivered, a little more others, and the number is being recruited.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

In this case, the term "any" is not suitable. AN-64 is expensive because mass deliveries are not expected. At the same time, its real combat capabilities are inferior to the Mi-24, which, moreover, is much better mastered by the flight crew.

[DominickS]

And here is Western tactics, if you don’t leave laser-guided ATGMs unaccompanied with all your desire. So they let them hover. Hellfire, alas, does not have such a problem.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Do not bullshit.
Firstly, there is a hellfire with both laser and radar guidance, moreover, the main type is still laser, since the radar has very big problems with accuracy.
Secondly, the launch restriction applies to wire-guided ATGMs. The Americans have held onto their toes for too long, and they are still in service today. Hence the tactics.

[Ivan Ivanov]

And our authorities are sitting only collecting statistics. We are waiting for planes. Companionship as a habit.

[Mikhail Maslov]

And when you put your aircraft carrier. What is there to waste time on?

[Irina Vinogradova (Lagoda)]

Rather, the British colonialists in Great Britain would have been transferred. They climbed onto the American continent and took away their country from the Indians, and the Indians themselves were killed and the rest were herded into reservations. Britain has 15 colonies and Britain behaves like a colonizer. Now they are getting into relations between Ukraine and Russia. In England, there are many gay Englishmen who do not leave offspring, many Muslim migrants who have polygamy and a ban on abortion. There will be less and less real Englishmen, and more and more Muslims. Maybe then Britain will begin to live its own life?

[Igor K]

It's time to let the boats go to the bottom with the help of the outskirts.

[Fisher]

The sooner we resolve the issue with Ukraine, the better it will be for us. If you continue to peck at the grain, then there will be planes and missiles and the NATO army under some kind of sauce. Time is working against us. NATO is waging a real war through Ukraine, but everything is going on with us.

[Dartik]

Quote from Fisher

The sooner we resolve the issue with Ukraine, the better it will be for us. If you continue to peck at the grain, then there will be planes and missiles and the NATO army under some kind of sauce. Time is working against us. NATO is waging a real war through Ukraine, but everything is going on with us.

And how to decide? We do not have the strength to decide, if we could, we would have decided long ago.

[voyaka uh]

"Apache will change the rules of the game" ///
---
Apache won't change.
They are gradually knocked down by the Su-35.
Although they will probably have time to knock out some armored vehicles.
Here is the F-16, if it appears in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it can have a turning effect.
The F-16 works powerfully and accurately on the ground, plus it is able to conduct air battles better than the MiG-29.
Due to a strong radar and long-range explosive missiles.

[arthh]

Do not fight when all these planes go, there will not be a preventive nuclear strike or something like that, or at least not let them get to the Ukrainians. It can't be all.

[vadim_ivanov]

Naive in the Kremlin, in February it was 146% clear that there would be everything and even more

[VladMirU]

Quote: km-21

For example, inflict a warning single nuclear strike on Polish Rzeszow.

I'd rather go along the border of Volyn and Lvov regions with Poland from Ukraine.

[Osipov9391]

Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah.
Almost a YEAR of the war did not lead to any conclusions?
That we didn’t have anything normal and impressive at all to quickly “slam” this Ukraine at once.
And then hurrah, hurrah, hurrah....

[VladMirU]

Quote: VB

A new word in military affairs, the conduct of war in the Gerasimov and Shoigov style.

You are slightly mistaken with the original source. Nobody will let Shoigu fight on his own.

[arthh]

I wonder where is the very last red line?

Maybe when all these American planes fly in mass, the lever will work and a war will really begin, either a nuclear war or an alliance with China should move to a new level.

[DominickS]

China is diligently trying to dissociate itself from this whore. What kind of alliance is that?

[Dmitrii]

4 helicopters are extremely few. Here are 30 self-propelled guns + 14 tanks only from them - this is serious. Poles with Leopards, French with AMX. The US will also give Paladins and Bradley. The latter, by the way, has a very serious ATGM, according to experts. As a result, they will most likely receive quite a lot of equipment by spring, maybe earlier. What is it for...

[Osipov9391]

After all, we must already agree that our annual idea of ​​​​Ukraine, its troops and capabilities
was completely wrong, erroneous, false.
Everyone believed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had almost no pilots, that there was very little aviation, that it would not be able to fight, etc.

But it's been almost a year now. 35-40% of their fleet has been preserved and periodically they fly to the front line.
90% of the fleet of military transport aircraft moved to Romania at the beginning of February and now carry military cargo from Europe to Poland.
Something like that.

But the most important thing is the people.
And according to indirect data over the past 25 years, hundreds of such "lads" could be mercenary pilots in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Afghanistan, Libya, Sudan, Syria, countries of South America and Asia.
They may have vast experience in piloting and more or less good experience in the combat use of both Soviet and modern Russian aircraft. For example Mi-35.
Well, of course, experience in Western aircraft.
Where they are now is unknown. Possibly "working jobs" in the above mentioned countries.
Perhaps some of them were bought up and returned home to fight.
Perhaps Western countries lured them to their retraining. On those same Apaches or F-16s.

[Void]

Well, that's it, we're all kapets, we're going to die.
Joke if you don't get it

[alexey2073]

If anything, then the Gayropeans will rake in, the Britons will again sit out on their island. However, as always, at all times.

[Kirill Prozorovski]

Hellfire range 11 km maximum Thor 15 km. But the helicopter flies over the line of contact, which cannot be said about Thor. C400 is needed apparently or drying. And with our long-term coordination through the supreme, will they be in time?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

These 11 km are far-fetched, and then for the RL version. At the same time, part of the path of the ATGM flies from memory "in that direction." Then, in theory, the target should capture the radar seeker. And what she will capture in reality is known to one case.
At the same time, the Americans did not manage to create really working ATGMs of the Shturm / Attack type.

[Maxim G]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

At the same time, the Americans did not manage to create really working ATGMs of the Shturm / Attack type.

The French have a helicopter Akeron LP on the way.

[Foul skeptic]

At the same time, the Americans did not manage to create really working ATGMs of the Shturm / Attack type.

But really working - what is it? It is not yet clear why you do not classify AGM-114, AGM-176, AGM-179 as such.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Because it was about radio command ATGMs, which are relatively cheap, but at the same time accurate and do not impose piloting restrictions on the carrier.
Compare at your leisure when it appeared with us and when in the west they jumped off wired ATGMs.

[Maxim G]

So far, they have not jumped off - they use optical fiber.

[Foul skeptic]

Because it was about radio command ATGMs

No. It was about "actually working ATGMs." These are your words. They asked you why AGM-114, AGM-176, AGM-179 are not really working? What is their "not working"? Now you can even rephrase - why are guidance methods other than radio command not working?
PS 1) "not imposing piloting restrictions on the carrier" - does the use of radio command ATGMs not impose piloting restrictions? The very ones whose position in space relative to the target must be constantly monitored by the optical direction finder of the observation and sighting station? What helicopter is this, please?
2) "accurate". Guess what type of guidance has a larger error due to a larger number of calculations - when the data for course correction comes from the carrier or is formed in the missile's seeker?
PPS Yes, the "best" radio command method of targeting the "Shturm/Ataka ATGM" cuts off the possibility of using a helicopter as a weapon carrier when third-party gunners work with target designation stations.

[Maxim G]

What does cut off mean?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

PPS Yes, the "best" radio command method of targeting the "Shturm/Ataka ATGM" cuts off the possibility of using a helicopter as a weapon carrier when third-party gunners work with target designation stations.

[Foul skeptic]

Cuts off - allegorical from "makes it impossible, deprives, removes, etc."

[Maxim G]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

makes it impossible, deprives, removes, etc."

[Foul skeptic]

What are these pictures for? Do they have any connection with my text? Are they a counterargument to what I said? Perhaps you have decided that the Akeron LP is an ATGM of the Shturm/Ataka type? So it's not. In addition to the "data link" characteristic, it was also necessary to highlight the "seeker" characteristic.

[Maxim G]

Is there anything more to highlight?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

In addition to the "data link" characteristic, it was also necessary to highlight the "seeker" characteristic

[Foul skeptic]

No, that would be enough to show that you understand what the subject is about.

[Maxim G]

And what does this word have to do with external target designation?

[Foul skeptic]

The most immediate. Well, if you are not trying to change the topic of conversation by returning the concept of "external target designation" when working on the ground, which is now active, in the era of the 60s, when it was passive. It is impossible to direct an ATGM from the outside if the missile itself does not see the target. And for this you need a GOS. Which is in the MMR ... is. And multimode. In Sturm / Attack it is not. No. Three-point guidance method: board-target-missile.
If you were more careful, you wouldn’t even cite the MMP as an example, about which “beyond line of site” is written in black and white in the advertising sheet as an argument in a conversation about a missile with a SACLOS guidance system, where LOS is just "LINE Of Site".

[Maxim G]

They are both radio command, both Soviet and French.

[Foul skeptic]

AND? (even omitting the fact that French is combined (command + homing)). From this she became an ATGM type Assault/Attack? MMR can transmit information about its position relative to the target to the ground gunner due to the presence of the seeker and a two-way radio channel. Attack - no, due to the lack of a seeker and a two-way radio channel, the feedback is passive by tracking infrared markers in the tail section. To stop this trolling, I'll just ask you to name the PAN equipment for targeting from the ground 9M114 (like, for example, LCD-4 for Kh-25).

[vovochkarzhevsky]

No. It was about "actually working ATGMs." These are your words.

And I see you still can not lie. Here are my words:

At the same time, the Americans were not able to create really working ATGMs. type Assault/Attack.

And if it comes to that, I can do that too, cut phrases out of context. For example, here are your words:

AGM-114, AGM-176, AGM-179 - not really working

The question is, why do you claim that the AGM-114, AGM-176, AGM-179 are not really working ATGMs?

They asked you why AGM-114, AGM-176, AGM-179 are not really working? What is their "not working"? Now you can even rephrase - why are guidance methods other than radio command not working?

I won't even answer. Because it’s off topic, because it was about the fact that the United States never mastered the radio command system.

PS 1) "not imposing piloting restrictions on the carrier" - does the use of radio command ATGMs not impose piloting restrictions? The very ones whose position in space relative to the target must be constantly monitored by the optical direction finder of the observation and sighting station? What helicopter is this, please?

Namely, because the comparison was with wired ATGMs.

2) "accurate". Guess what type of guidance has a larger error due to a larger number of calculations - when the data for course correction comes from the carrier or is formed in the missile's seeker?

And what should I guess, I have far from a dozen launches of those same Sturm in combat conditions. The accuracy is the highest and depends only on how you hold the aiming mark on the target.
By the way, laser illumination has a big problem with atmospheric pollution. For example, throwing such an ATGM through a window into a room where there is a lot of dust and smoke is problematic.

PPS Yes, the "best" radio command method of targeting the "Shturm/Ataka ATGM" cuts off the possibility of using a helicopter as a weapon carrier when third-party gunners work with target designation stations.

This is called heard the ringing, but did not know where he was. In theory, maybe, but in practice there is a maneuver with letters and codes. In addition, there was experience in the operation of ATGMs in a dense formation of a pair, and the letters and codes coincided, and even then they did not interfere. And ground complexes do not interfere with helicopters at all.

[Foul skeptic]

I, too, so know how to cut phrases out of context.

1) I did not cut out the phrase - I have it from a capital letter to a dot. And you just cut it out.
2) It didn’t even dawn on you that you just copied the phrase, which only confirms my words, since, just, it contains the phrase about “really working”

At the same time, the Americans did not manage to create really working ATGM type Shturm/Ataka.

That is, you directly (which I also wrote about) stated that ATGMs not with radio command guidance (such as Ataka) are not "really working." By the way, the answer, what is "really working" is also (expectedly) not announced.

I won't even answer.

Naturally. Because either you have to admit the stupidity of what was said, or continue to show your denseness. Like, for example, this

Because it’s off topic, because it was about the fact that the United States never mastered the radio command system.

Namely, because the comparison was with wired ATGMs.

1) So what? From this, the phrase about radio command ATGMs "do not impose restrictions on piloting" still does not correspond to reality. Since ... imposes.
2) Here is your first reply in the thread

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

These 11 km are far-fetched, and then for the RL version. At the same time, part of the path of the ATGM flies from memory "in that direction." Then, in theory, the target should capture the radar seeker. And what she will capture in reality is known to one case.
At the same time, the Americans did not manage to create really working ATGMs of the Shturm / Attack type.

And he's on a message about the AGM-114.

Quote: Kirill Prozorovski

Hellfire range 11 km maximum

Which... is not wired. Attempt to get out ... failed.

And what should I guess, I have far from a dozen launches of those same Sturm in combat conditions. The accuracy is the highest and depends only on how you hold the aiming mark on the target.

Clear. Do not know. Again, instead of answering a kindergarten in the style of "yes, I ...". Just because you can use it doesn't mean you understand how it works. And that's why you can't rate it.

In theory, maybe, but in practice there is a maneuver with letters and codes. In addition, there was experience in the operation of ATGMs in a dense formation of a pair, and the letters and codes coincided, and even then they did not interfere. And ground complexes do not interfere with helicopters at all.

It is you who do not understand that what you wrote is not an answer to my thesis. You are talking about the fact that one side does not interrupt the signal of the other side while simultaneously "guiding" different ATGMs. Which is just not surprising. For those who know what the antenna patterns of the gigahertz bands of the radio command equipment of helicopters are and how the radio command principle is generally implemented.
I wrote about the tip not from the carrier, but from an outside observer. With semi-active laser guidance, it is enough for the equipment to see the target. With radio command, you still need to see the "Attack-type" ATGM. This is if it is quite accessible to explain.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

1) I did not cut out the phrase - I have it from a capital letter to a dot. And you just cut it out.
2) It didn’t even dawn on you that you just copied the phrase, which only confirms my words, since, just, it contains the phrase about “really working”

Stop lying, you cut off half of my words, distorting the meaning of the phrase. However, this is not the first time you have done this.

That is, you directly (which I also wrote about) stated that ATGMs not with radio command guidance (such as Ataka) are not "really working." By the way, the answer, what is "really working" is also (expectedly) not announced.

I said that the United States never created a really working ATGM with radio command guidance. The rest is your speculation and nonsense.

Naturally. Because either you have to admit the stupidity of what was said, or continue to show your denseness. Like, for example, this
Because it’s off topic, because it was about the fact that the United States never mastered the radio command system.

Namely, because the comparison was with wired ATGMs.

1) So what? From this, the phrase about radio command ATGMs "do not impose restrictions on piloting" still does not correspond to reality. Since ... imposes.
2) Here is your first reply in the thread
Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
These 11 km are far-fetched, and then for the RL version. At the same time, part of the path of the ATGM flies from memory "in that direction." Then, in theory, the target should capture the radar seeker. And what she will capture in reality is known to one case.
At the same time, the Americans did not manage to create really working ATGMs of the Shturm / Attack type.

And he's on a message about the AGM-114.
Quote: Kirill Prozorovski
Hellfire range 11 km maximum

Which... is not wired. Attempt to get out ... failed.

Well, if you are so stupid that you can not understand what was said. Namely, about the tactics of launching ATGMs, so ask, and do not build fantasies.
Or did your student's heart rate become inflamed again?
So your attempt once again to divert the conversation to the side failed.

Clear. Do not know. Again, instead of answering a kindergarten in the style of "yes, I ...". Just because you can use it doesn't mean you understand how it works. And that's why you can't rate it.

Your answer is out of style - dad where is the sea.
You were clearly told that there are no special errors in radio command guidance.
Optical trajectory stabilization system.
However, you can bring the facts, otherwise you puff out your cheeks for nothing.

It is you who do not understand that what you wrote is not an answer to my thesis. You are talking about the fact that one side does not interrupt the signal of the other side while simultaneously "guiding" different ATGMs. Which is just not surprising. For those who know what the antenna patterns of the gigahertz bands of the radio command equipment of helicopters are and how the radio command principle is generally implemented.

You spouted another stupidity. However, you can cite the facts of the failure of guidance for the reason you mentioned. And not just like that, but with facts, draw an open formation of helicopters, antenna diagrams, always with all side lobes.

I wrote about the tip not from the carrier, but from an outside observer. With semi-active laser guidance, it is enough for the equipment to see the target. With radio command, you still need to see the "Attack-type" ATGM. This is if it is quite accessible to explain.

You didn't write, you wrote. For the simple reason that the amateur does not understand what it is about. For the operator, there is no difference, radio command guidance, or laser illumination. In both cases, he simply keeps the mark on the target. It is worth paying attention to the ATGM itself (radio command guidance) if it is not stabilized on the line of sight. But this is a reason to give a command after departure to set up the complex.
By the way, with laser illumination, the operator also sees an ATGM, for the same control.
Can I explain clearly? Or do you have a special opinion on the couch, as always?

[Foul skeptic]

Stop lying, you cut off half of my words, distorting the meaning of the phrase.

I gave a thought that was complete in meaning, with which the rest of the text is not connected.

I said that the United States never created a really working ATGM with radio command guidance. The rest is your speculation and nonsense.

1) You didn’t study Russian at school, or rather, the subordination of words in a sentence? Reread your first sentence with a Russian textbook in hand.
2) That is, the Americans had to roll back in 1982 and make the worst ATGM than they have? You are strong, do not say anything.

Well, if you are so stupid that you can not understand what was said. Namely, about the tactics of ATGM launches,

Where is here "about launch tactics"?

Because it was about radio command ATGMs, which are relatively cheap, but at the same time accurate and do not impose piloting restrictions on the carrier.

This is your answer to my words about AGM-114, AGM-176, AGM-179. What is the "launch strategy"?

You were clearly told that there are no special errors in radio command guidance.

And you were clearly asked about something completely different

at what type of guidance is there a greater error due to a larger number of calculations - when the data for course correction comes from the carrier or is formed in the missile's seeker?

A monosyllabic answer is enough here, instead of avoiding the question

However, you can cite the facts of the failure of guidance for the reason you mentioned.

What for? You were clearly told that they are not talking about a breakdown due to the influence of the equipment of a third-party board, but about the interaction of the board and the PAN.

By the way, with laser illumination, the operator also sees an ATGM, for the same control.
Explain available?

Yes, you clearly explained that you do not understand the difference between SALH (mentioned AGM-114) and SACLOS (laser trail).

For the operator, there is no difference, radio command guidance, or laser illumination.

Helicopter with AGM-114A and PAN with AN/PEQ-1. Launch on a high trajectory outside the line of sight of the target.
Tell me about a similar tactic with radio command-guided ATGMs (Storm/Attack).

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Are you going to continue to lie? However, you don't know any other way.
Therefore, I see no reason to throw beads further. Consider yourself a winner, if that's any consolation.

[Foul skeptic]

I didn't start. Your attempts to get away from the answer, using the manipulative technique "appeal to personality" are ridiculous. You have not been able to provide a single argument in support of your unfounded statements.

PS Found another confirmation of your "qualification"

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

I can only speak for the Mi-24V/P.
Turning angles of the stabilized line of sight PN (Rainbow) from the GFS of the helicopter in degrees:
- horizontal + - 60;
- vertically up 15;
- vertically down 20.

[Foul skeptic]

These 11 km are far-fetched, and then for the RL version.

There are a dozen and a half modifications in the AGM-114 family. Of this number, 7 have a range of 11 km - blunder number one. And of this amount, only one has a pure radar seeker (+ autopilot). Another one has a combination with a semi-active laser (+ autopilot). The remaining versions are semi-active laser (+autopilot) - blunder number two.
Well, it is also useless to wait for the arguments of "far-fetchedness" of a range of 11 km))

[Nikolay Evdokimov]

It's time to "crush" the place of loading.

[Willord]

Apache helicopters with Hellfire missiles

They understand that they are losing and a lot is at stake. Lost will hand over and new weapons

[certero]

Do you remember the president saying "let them just try to intervene"

[Alexey Kazakov]

England is not Great Britain. The whole story rots Russia. If things are getting this far, maybe it's time to hit Westminster? Maybe it will sober them up? They will shit to the last Anglo-Saxon.